Yes,for the standard package, Capture CIS and Smartroute is not including because of
its lowered price,but the whole package as you mentioned do include everything,from
standard route to Smartroute which i am very happy to use with.Imagine me testing a
Protel 2.8 sample files of high density 2
You reflex on me very too Raven,i started out as a TV repairman after school,then get
into audio design especially loudspeaker and it is from here that i feel the need to
learn CAD system for able to produce products which will keep me alive,then things got
better of me Cad wise and i landed a j
Here we are, many things about Protel's legacy so if i were to have no choice,then i
would get into Linux and download OpenSource pcb software which is already in working
version that is producing finished assembled SMD board by the software author,there is
at least 3 O/source pcb design package
Leo,i've seen it before.In this regars,Protel 99SE is not far difference from 2.8 but
nevertheless the same mode is more stable in 2.8 and more of a annoyance for 99se,the
way i do it now is to forgone the usage of this function in 99se,thats the way i live
with it.
Choong
Leo Potjewijd <[EMA
Ian
Orcad just had a "sale" with Capture, Pspice, and Layout for $10,000. I
believe that included an autorouter. The "regular" price was $22,000.
Jim Walker
Walker Power Design, Inc.
Ian Wilson wrote:
On 10:50 PM 19/09/2003, Robert M. Wolfe said:
John,
Not sure if they did this yet but if the A
now I really can't use it
for much.
Bob
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From: "John A. Ross [Design]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, September 19, 2003 11:07 AM
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> 19/09/2003 13:50:25, "Robert M. Wolfe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> > but Expedition router is best I've ever seen.
>
> Does th
Hey dont leave me out for this ,but there is a problem of our differences in computer
specs for this scheme to work.I am not religious seing that i am still hear give that
i dont like Protel which i have tested throughtly,so now OrCAD Layout 9.2 is doing my
Protel PCB file completely.
Btw,i wis
Ian Wilson wrote:
I am very interested in this but the numbers seem hard to come by.
Can anyone give a purchase and annual cost for other packages that
include Sch capture, PCB, autorouter and simulation? It may be
instructive to try to set up some sort of table to collate this stuff.
When I
On 08:40 PM 19/09/2003, John A. Ross [Design] said:
> -Original Message-
> From: Ian Wilson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, September 19, 2003 1:41 AM
> To: Protel EDA Forum
> Subject: Re: [PEDA] P99SE has Altzheimers' ?
>
> <..snip.. I deleted a
On 10:50 PM 19/09/2003, Robert M. Wolfe said:
John,
Not sure if they did this yet but if the Autorouter for
PADS is now the Expedition (VeriBest) autorouter
I would state they not in the same ballpark,
and quite frankly not in the same universe.
Never looked at their Blaze Router though, but Expedi
> -Original Message-
> From: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, September 19, 2003 8:15 PM
> To: Protel EDA Forum
> Subject: Re: [PEDA] P99SE has Altzheimers' ?
>
>
> At 07:02 AM 9/19/2003, John A. Ross [Design] wrote:
> >Bu
At 07:02 AM 9/19/2003, John A. Ross [Design] wrote:
But as for a point by point, and ease of use, UI analysis etc I think it
would be an even enough score (Autorouter excluded) as the 2
applications have the same core abilities, but each of them offers
different benifets in certain areas depending
> -Original Message-
> From: Robert M. Wolfe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, September 19, 2003 1:50 PM
> To: Protel EDA Forum
> Subject: Re: [PEDA] P99SE has Altzheimers' ?
>
> John,
> Not sure if they did this yet but if the Autorouter for
19/09/2003 13:50:25, "Robert M. Wolfe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> but Expedition router is best I've ever seen.
Does that include things like Specctra? Will it bolt up to Protel in
any useful way?
(Since Situs seems doomed to never get good enough, and we
really can't justify another Specctr
Wolfe
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> -Original Message-
> Fr
> -Original Message-
> From: Ian Wilson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, September 19, 2003 1:40 AM
> To: Protel EDA Forum
> Subject: Re: [PEDA] P99SE has Altzheimers' ?
>
> Snipped<
> I would love to get together, face to face, comput
> -Original Message-
> From: Ian Wilson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, September 19, 2003 1:47 AM
> To: Protel EDA Forum
> Subject: Re: [PEDA] P99SE has Altzheimers' ?
>
> I think some of you are thinking I am supporting Altium in
> this. I tr
> -Original Message-
> From: Ian Wilson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, September 19, 2003 1:41 AM
> To: Protel EDA Forum
> Subject: Re: [PEDA] P99SE has Altzheimers' ?
>
> <..snip.. I deleted a whole lot of more contentious stuff,
> enough
At 08:00 AM 9/18/2003, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I don't know about you guys, but my company just dropped 16 Grand on 99
SE. We can't possibly afford to upgrade to DXP. If Protel decides not to
support SE, we're really hosed. Guess it's a good thing I found this user
group (or is it more like
At 08:40 PM 9/18/2003, Ian Wilson wrote:
I would love to get together, face to face, computer to computer with a
very experienced OrCad, and PADs user, both of whom are non-religious in
their approach to computer software, and go through a detailed end-to-end
design flow. Then we would all writ
On 09:32 AM 19/09/2003, John A. Ross said:
Ian
On most of your comparison between DXP and 99SE you have fair points.
http://www.considered.com.au/DXP_vs_P99SE.htm for those who missed the
link in Ians post before.
Here is something that that others could do. Take my points as a starter,
and eve
At 04:16 PM 9/18/2003, Back, Norb wrote:
Service Pack 7 Service Pack 7 Service Pack 7 Service Pack 7
Service Pack 7
I don't think it's going to happen, and here is why:
Altium tried to go to ATS, which was, quite simply, a maintenance fee to be
paid yearly. We didn't like it. But we still ha
On 09:32 AM 19/09/2003, John A. Ross said:
Ian
On most of your comparison between DXP and 99SE you have fair points.
http://www.considered.com.au/DXP_vs_P99SE.htm for those who missed the
link in Ians post before.
But I would need to disagree on the heavy use of queries being
productive. My main
On 09:43 AM 19/09/2003, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax said:
I presume you have someone paying for your "seat time", i.e. you have
an employer that's issuing a paycheck whether your jobs are completed
or not and also continues to pay you while you are "going up the
learning curve" with new software.
That's a
At 12:18 PM 9/18/2003, Matt Pobursky wrote:
I'm a reasonably smart guy having many years (20+) of experience with
engineering software in general.
With similar experience or more, I find that I don't learn nearly as
quickly as I did when I was younger.
I figured more like 1-2 months to come
up t
gt; -Original Message-
> From: Ian Wilson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2003 11:07 PM
> To: Protel EDA Forum
> Subject: Re: [PEDA] P99SE has Altzheimers' ?
>
> On 02:18 AM 19/09/2003, Matt Pobursky said:
> >On Thu, 18 Sep 2003 22:29:4
On 02:18 AM 19/09/2003, Matt Pobursky said:
On Thu, 18 Sep 2003 22:29:43 +1000, Ian Wilson wrote:
> Otherwise the quote upgrade price is about $2500. Lets assume a
> designers on-cost is between 25 and 50 dollars per hour - 25 to 50
> hours of improved productivity will pay for it, one week. So,
I spent on DXP
>
> Norbert
>
> -Original Message-Service Pack 7
> From: JaMi Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2003 2:35 PM
> To: Protel EDA Forum
> Cc: JaMi Smith
> Subject: Re: [PEDA] P99SE has Altzheimers' ?
>
> KLUNK
, September 18, 2003 2:35 PM
To: Protel EDA Forum
Cc: JaMi Smith
Subject: Re: [PEDA] P99SE has Altzheimers' ?
KLUNK ! ! !
I thought at one time that we could possibly embarrass Altium into some
kind of action on Service Pack 7, and I think that since it appears that
all else has failed,
.
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> As far as I know it was never fix
n
From: Matt Pobursky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 2003/09/18 Thu PM 12:18:03 EDT
To: Protel EDA Forum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [PEDA] P99SE has Altzheimers' ?
On Thu, 18 Sep 2003 22:29:43 +1000, Ian Wilson wrote:
> Otherwise the quote upgrade price is about $2500. Lets
Cadsoft's Eagle PCB design software runs on Linux.
duane
> -Original Message-
> From: Bagotronix Tech Support [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2003 9:16 AM
> To: Protel EDA Forum
> Subject: Re: [PEDA] P99SE has Altzheimers' ?
>
>
Matt,
your comments reflect my thoughts, feelings and experience about
this exactly
and i paid for the DXP upgrade
so far i have found it cheaper to let it collect electronic dust
Dennis Saputelli
Matt Pobursky wrote:
>
> On Thu, 18 Sep 2003 22:29:43 +1000, Ian Wilson wrote:
> > Otherwise the
ronix Inc.
website: www.bagotronix.com
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Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2003 12:19 PM
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> Unfortunately my CEO has nowhere to go
On Thu, 18 Sep 2003 22:29:43 +1000, Ian Wilson wrote:
> Otherwise the quote upgrade price is about $2500. Lets assume a
> designers on-cost is between 25 and 50 dollars per hour - 25 to 50
> hours of improved productivity will pay for it, one week. So, the
> question then is how long will I have
ive around here--it's good for the soul.
Thanx,
Michael Badillo
From: "Bagotronix Tech Support" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 2003/09/18 Thu AM 11:37:27 EDT
To: "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [PEDA] P99SE has Altzheimers' ?
> My compan
st regards,
Ivan Baggett
Bagotronix Inc.
website: www.bagotronix.com
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> My company won&#
owave Products
Tel (604) 292-9089 (direct line)
Fax (604) 292-9010
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http://www.norsat.com
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2003 6:29 AM
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o I
guess that means they still make it.
Michael Badillo
From: Ian Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 2003/09/18 Thu AM 08:29:43 EDT
To: Protel EDA Forum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [PEDA] P99SE has Altzheimers' ?
On 10:00 PM 18/09/2003, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
>Yeah!
>
>
On 10:00 PM 18/09/2003, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
Yeah!
I don't know about you guys, but my company just dropped 16 Grand on 99
SE. We can't possibly afford to upgrade to DXP. If Protel decides not to
support SE, we're really hosed. Guess it's a good thing I found this user
group (or is it mor
t;
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 9:17 PM
Subject: Re: [PEDA] P99SE has Altzheimers' ?
> i believe there is both a in memory cache and an in schematic file cache
>
> closing and reopening the file does not clear the memory cache as i
> recall
>
> you have to close
?).
Michael Badillo
From: "Igor Gmitrovic" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 2003/09/17 Wed PM 08:51:38 EDT
To: "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [PEDA] P99SE has Altzheimers' ?
Maybe they were not mis-leading us intentionally. They changed their policie
> > to "ignore and continue" or "close". This one time I chose to close and
> > it then kindly offered to save my work that had changed. The mistake in
> > this case is to select "save" (and destroy).
> >
> > HTH
> > Brendon.
> &g
HTH
> Brendon.
>
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> To
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w, but it would still be worthwile for us here.
>
> Igor
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Brian Guralnick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, 18 September 2003 10:30 AM
> To: Protel EDA Forum
> Subject: Re: [PEDA] P99SE has Altzheimers' ?
>
> >
>
The mistake in
this case is to select "save" (and destroy).
HTH
Brendon.
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it would still be worthwile for us here.
Igor
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Sent: Thursday, 18 September 2003 10:30 AM
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>
> I want my Service Pack 7 . . .
>
Didn't Pr
m: "JaMi Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 6:11 PM
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> P99SE has Altzheimers' ?
>
&g
P99SE has Altzheimers' ?
Duh?
You guys just now figuring that out?
Unfortunately, it appears to be hereditary . . .
I want my Service Pack 7 . . .
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> I have noticed (and I have
and Protel. Since then
it has been MUCH better behaved.
Michael Badillo
From: Leo Potjewijd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 2003/09/17 Wed AM 08:08:16 EDT
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [PEDA] P99SE has Altzheimers' ?
Hi again.
I just noticed sometghing strange with the Sch editor of P99
Hi again.
I just noticed sometghing strange with the Sch editor of P99SE(SP6).
I set up my schematic libraries (all in one database) with custom part
field names: 'tolerance' for field 1, 'power/voltage' for field 2 and
'class/rating' for field 3.
Since these fields can be blank for a lot of p
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