Re: [ql-users] Q40/Q60/??? Ultra IO card

On Fri, Jan 11, 2002 at 01:25:04AM -0500, ZN wrote: > 2) How far does the design move from the GF implementation to an ISA (even > if only Q40/60 ISA) implementation. This impacts interrupt line routing and > base address selection (which in turn impacts the PnP initialization > values), 8/16 bi

Re: [ql-users] Q40/Q60/??? Ultra IO card

On Sat, Jan 12, 2002 at 05:00:35PM +0100, Peter Graf wrote: > >we have FAT fs support in SMSQ, are you saying it didn't work with > >the CompactFlash? > > No, I ain't saying that. Just thought it worked only with floppies. would be worth trying, the code doesn't look like its limited to floppy

Re: [ql-users] Q40/Q60/??? Ultra IO card

At 04:28 ìì 13/1/2002 +, you wrote: > > > >>(drat, Phoebus!) my camera uses SmartMedia not CF. > > > >Oh there is salvation for you still I can get a SmartMedia to IDE > >adapter I think (albeit not as cheap) >He he, thanks, but I use a floppy disk adaptor for them. Only >accessible on Wi

Re: [ql-users] Q40/Q60/??? Ultra IO card

> >>(drat, Phoebus!) my camera uses SmartMedia not CF. > >Oh there is salvation for you still I can get a SmartMedia to IDE >adapter I think (albeit not as cheap) He he, thanks, but I use a floppy disk adaptor for them. Only accessible on Windows machines due to software drivers needed but I'm

Re: [ql-users] Q40/Q60/??? Ultra IO card

At 02:21 ìì 13/1/2002 +, you wrote: > >Dave Dexter writes: > > > >> How do people actually use their machines these days? What's in >demand? >Per Witte replies: > >I use my 'QL' as an all-rounder - apart from Internet, scanning, >CD-burning, > >networking and DTP. Database, accounting, letter

Re: [ql-users] Q40/Q60/??? Ultra IO card

>Dave Dexter writes: > >> How do people actually use their machines these days? What's in demand? Per Witte replies: >I use my 'QL' as an all-rounder - apart from Internet, scanning, CD-burning, >networking and DTP. Database, accounting, letter writing, programming >(S*Basic, assembler, php) and g

Re: [ql-users] Q40/Q60/??? Ultra IO card

Dave Dexter writes: > How do people actually use their machines these days? What's in demand? I use my 'QL' as an all-rounder - apart from Internet, scanning, CD-burning, networking and DTP. Database, accounting, letter writing, programming (S*Basic, assembler, php) and general mucking about are

Re: [ql-users] Q40/Q60/??? Ultra IO card

On 11 Jan 2002, at 1:28, Dexter wrote: > > > Does anyone think it might be appropriate to have a separate list for > ql-developers to separate the traffic from ql-users, or are you happy for > these kind of posts filling your list? :o) oh no, just keep it here - it certainly is appreciated! W

Re: [ql-users] Q40/Q60/??? Ultra IO card

On Sat, 12 Jan 2002 at 16:19:52, Peter Graf wrote: (ref: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) >Hi, > >happy birthday to you, Dave! :-) > >A few answers. Nasta still uses "GF" for his hardware project, so I use the >same abbreviation from now on :-) > >Main reasons why the Q40/Q60 uses an ISA-style extension bu

Re: [ql-users] Q40/Q60/??? Ultra IO card

Re: > Much (most) of it goes over my head but sometimes I can can get a > general wiff of what is intended. > I don't mind it at all, it makes for a " completeness " of the list, I > think if we split the list up into to many sub lists most of them would > wither and disappear, no lets all stick t

Re: [ql-users] Q40/Q60/??? Ultra IO card

Hi Richard, >in theory USB interfaces on ISA do exist for which Linux drivers are >available. In practice better check whether they can fallback to PIO >or require DMA. You are right. I forgot. Even apart from that interface (which may no longer be available), there is another non-PCI standalo

[ql-users] Q40/Q60 extension slot

Hi Dave, the pinout of the Q40/Q60 extension slot and the signal polarities are exactly ISA. 8 interrupt lines, see hardware doc PDF. Software-programmable slot RESET, see hardware doc PDF. Unused (or just correctly terminated) are: -5V, DMA signals, REF, CLK, TC, OSC, IOCHK, IORDY, LA20..23,

Re: [ql-users] Q40/Q60/??? Ultra IO card

Hi, happy birthday to you, Dave! :-) A few answers. Nasta still uses "GF" for his hardware project, so I use the same abbreviation from now on :-) Main reasons why the Q40/Q60 uses an ISA-style extension bus: 1. No QL specific extension cards available, with use for Q40/Q60. 2. Save hardware

Re: [ql-users] Q40/Q60/??? Ultra IO card

In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Tony Firshman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes >When I do a circuit, I always make a same size cardboard copy, with >stick on tracks. I then add major components/sockets and use this to >test fitting etc. superHermes went to many shows like this, before we >went into

Re: [ql-users] Q40/Q60/??? Ultra IO card

Bill Waugh wrote: > Dexter wrote: > >>Does anyone think it might be appropriate to have a separate list for >>ql-developers to separate the traffic from ql-users, or are you happy for >>these kind of posts filling your list? :o) >> >>More in a bit. >> >>Dave >> > > Much (most) of it goes over m

Re: [ql-users] Q40/Q60/??? Ultra IO card

Dexter wrote: > > Does anyone think it might be appropriate to have a separate list for > ql-developers to separate the traffic from ql-users, or are you happy for > these kind of posts filling your list? :o) > > More in a bit. > > Dave Much (most) of it goes over my head but sometimes I can ca

Re: [ql-users] Q40/Q60/??? Ultra IO card

In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Dexter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes > > >On Thu, 10 Jan 2002, ZN wrote: > >> >If you have any easier projects I could cut my teeth on, I'd be happy. I'm >> >not anything like the level of Nasta and yourself. I'm just well equipped. >> >:o) >> >> See the ideas about a

Re: [ql-users] Q40/Q60/??? Ultra IO card

On 1/11/02 at 5:11 PM Dexter wrote: > functionality for that low cost. If we made a board that includes [regular > IO card] functionality and additional functionality, we have to do a cost > benefit analysis to decide if it would be cheaper to do it as one board, or > omit the functionality that'

Re: [ql-users] Q40/Q60/??? Ultra IO card

On 1/11/02 at 6:23 PM Dexter wrote: Ahhh, memories. >>> Nostalgia isn't what it used to be. >> That's only because the brain cells don't work as well as they used to :-) >> (Translation: Yes, you ARE old! :-) ). >And you say this today, Jan 11 2002. My birthday. ;) >*mock scowl* Happ

Re: [ql-users] Q40/Q60/??? Ultra IO card

On 1/11/02 at 12:23 PM Tony Firshman wrote: >Last time I said this to Nasta, he said he was working on an 1800 x >something screen - (8-)# I've learned two things early on: 1) Almost any kind of CAD requires all the pixels you can possible get. 2) One gets only one pair of eyes. Invest in thy T

Re: [ql-users] Q40/Q60/??? Ultra IO card

On Fri, 11 Jan 2002, ZN wrote: > >>Ahhh, memories. > > >Nostalgia isn't what it used to be. > > That's only because the brain cells don't work as well as they used to :-) > (Translation: Yes, you ARE old! :-) ). And you say this today, Jan 11 2002. My birthday. ;) *mock scowl* Dave

Re: [ql-users] Q40/Q60/??? Ultra IO card

On 1/11/02 at 1:06 PM Dexter wrote: >I remember one board Arnie was working on. I stuck the components through >a piece of heavy paper, then used a black and red felt pen to draw the >tracks. The third generation got committed and went into production. > >Ahhh, memories. That's almost exactly ho

Re: [ql-users] Q40/Q60/??? Ultra IO card

On 1/11/02 at 3:08 PM Tony Firshman wrote: >>On Fri, 11 Jan 2002, Tony Firshman wrote: > Arvid Borretsen (spelling probably worng) even suggested > that one might make pcbs on high quality gloss paper with > an inkjet printer. He even gave me some metal impregnated > ink, but I never got round t

Re: [ql-users] Q40/Q60/??? Ultra IO card

This post contains information of interest to non-techy people too - it's well worth a read, imho ;) On Fri, 11 Jan 2002, ZN wrote: > More or less... well, more. The GF does not have IDE, so a few additional > bits will be needed. Also, I think I am using the IDE decode of the chip > for someth

Re: [ql-users] Q40/Q60/??? Ultra IO card

. I suspect multi-layers are done in a similar way. However the via layout can be very complex - ie vias between inner layers. >-Original Message- >From: Jerome Grimbert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 12:04 PM >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: R

Re: [ql-users] Q40/Q60/??? Ultra IO card

On Fri, 11 Jan 2002 at 13:06:56, Dexter wrote: (ref: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) > > >On Fri, 11 Jan 2002, Tony Firshman wrote: > >> Hear hear and I really like the hand-routing exercises. Using >> auto-routers is a bit like getting a plumber in and never quite liking >> what he did, and complai

Re: [ql-users] Q40/Q60/??? Ultra IO card

On Fri, 11 Jan 2002, Tony Firshman wrote: > Hear hear and I really like the hand-routing exercises. Using > auto-routers is a bit like getting a plumber in and never quite liking > what he did, and complaining about the cost. I remember one board Arnie was working on. I stuck the compone

RE: [ql-users] Q40/Q60/??? Ultra IO card

Firshman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 12:23 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ql-users] Q40/Q60/??? Ultra IO card This email is intended only for the use of the addressees named above and may be confidential or legally privileged. If you are not an addressee you must

RE: [ql-users] Q40/Q60/??? Ultra IO card

In the GD3 of a future SMSQ incarnation ? -Message d'origine- De : Tony Firshman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Envoyé : vendredi 11 janvier 2002 13:23 À : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Objet : Re: [ql-users] Q40/Q60/??? Ultra IO card (...) A hologram screen would be very nice. --

Re: [ql-users] Q40/Q60/??? Ultra IO card

>> -Original Message- >> From: Norman.Dunbar >> Sent: 11 January 2002 11:29 >> To: ql-users >> Cc: Norman.Dunbar >> Subject: RE: [ql-users] Q40/Q60/??? Ultra IO card >> >> >> Silly question from a hardware ignoramus : >> >&g

RE: [ql-users] Q40/Q60/??? Ultra IO card

al Message- From: Jerome Grimbert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 12:04 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ql-users] Q40/Q60/??? Ultra IO card Well, you can also have track inside ! Think of the board as a sandwich. There is two side per slice of bread. Therefore, you ca

Re: [ql-users] Q40/Q60/??? Ultra IO card

} Silly question from a hardware ignoramus : } } what is a 6 layer (or 4 layer) board ? } I suspect it is to do with the track layour, but all the boards I ever used } were 'double sided' = 2 layer ??? } } Your in ignorance, } Norman. } } PS. Be gentle when you reply ! Well, you can also have

RE: [ql-users] Q40/Q60/??? Ultra IO card

To: ql-users > Cc: Norman.Dunbar > Subject: RE: [ql-users] Q40/Q60/??? Ultra IO card > > > Silly question from a hardware ignoramus : > > what is a 6 layer (or 4 layer) board ? > I suspect it is to do with the track layour, but all the > boards I ever used > were 

RE: [ql-users] Q40/Q60/??? Ultra IO card

Silly question from a hardware ignoramus : what is a 6 layer (or 4 layer) board ? I suspect it is to do with the track layour, but all the boards I ever used were 'double sided' = 2 layer ??? Your in ignorance, Norman. PS. Be gentle when you reply ! - Norman

Re: [ql-users] Q40/Q60/??? Ultra IO card

On Thu, 10 Jan 2002 at 21:59:06, ZN wrote: (ref: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) >Half? Actually, that would be all the tools :-) Oh... you mean an >auto-router? I don't really believe in them :-) Well... actually, I do, but >I simply can't afford one that could do a board better than I can - and >ultim

Re: [ql-users] Q40/Q60/??? Ultra IO card

On 1/11/02 at 4:17 AM Dexter wrote: >On Thu, 10 Jan 2002, ZN wrote: >> No need for the mezzanine card, the required chips are found on the GF, >> in fact, even that part of the PCB has been designed! Normally I would >> not be againgst such a board, but as you know, the GF is intended to be a >>

Re: [ql-users] Q40/Q60/??? Ultra IO card

On Thu, 10 Jan 2002, ZN wrote: > No need for the mezzanine card, the required chips are found on the GF, in > fact, even that part of the PCB has been designed! Normally I would not be > againgst such a board, but as you know, the GF is intended to be a > semi-SBC. So all that needs doing is t

Re: [ql-users] Q40/Q60/??? Ultra IO card

On 1/11/02 at 1:28 AM Dexter wrote: >>> If you have any easier projects I could cut my teeth on, >>> I'd be happy. I'm not anything like the level of Nasta >>> and yourself. I'm just well equipped. >> See the ideas about a Q40/60 speciffic IO card... :-) >I see them. :o) >Ok, if I can get somet

Re: [ql-users] Q40/Q60/??? Ultra IO card

On Thu, 10 Jan 2002, ZN wrote: > >If you have any easier projects I could cut my teeth on, I'd be happy. I'm > >not anything like the level of Nasta and yourself. I'm just well equipped. > >:o) > > See the ideas about a Q40/60 speciffic IO card... :-) I see them. :o) Ok, if I can get somethin

Re: [ql-users] Q40/Q60/??? Ultra IO card

On 1/10/02 at 9:19 PM Peter Graf wrote: >Hi Nasta, > >>Two more plus a CF socket adds hot-swappable CF card capability... >>...PC87C307, an AD1816, a 91C96 (or possibly 91C111?). That more or less >>covers all the necessary ISA components. >Would it be worth considering to make a Q40/Q60 extensi

Re: [ql-users] Q40/Q60/??? Ultra IO card

On 1/10/02 at 9:49 PM Dexter wrote: >On Thu, 10 Jan 2002, Peter Graf wrote: > >> PGA. QFP seems obsolete, so only PGA and BGA are interesting. BGA is very >> small, but only useful for volume production. > >I'm well aware of the thermal advantages of PGA over QFP. The pins move >heat away to the

Re: [ql-users] Q40/Q60/??? Ultra IO card

I think that FAT support on SMSQ is limited to the QUASI Fat (Fat- 12) for Atari and MS-DOS disks... therefore CF of say 64 Mbytes (very common and very cheap nowadays...) won't be readable Phoebus

Re: [ql-users] Q40/Q60/??? Ultra IO card

On Thu, Jan 10, 2002 at 09:23:17PM +0100, Peter Graf wrote: > Hi Claude, > > >Any chance to get USB (for digital still camera for instance, as even fast > >RS232 is very slow) ? > > Our QDOS/SMSQ software development shortage practically prohibits to work > on USB host hardware. And even the har

Re: [ql-users] Q40/Q60/??? Ultra IO card

On Thu, 10 Jan 2002, Peter Graf wrote: > PGA. QFP seems obsolete, so only PGA and BGA are interesting. BGA is very > small, but only useful for volume production. I'm well aware of the thermal advantages of PGA over QFP. The pins move heat away to the PCB much more efficiently. I don't like BG

RE: [ql-users] Q40/Q60/??? Ultra IO card

At 09:23 ìì 10/1/2002 +0100, you wrote: >Hi Claude, > > >Any chance to get USB (for digital still camera for instance, as even fast > >RS232 is very slow) ? > >Our QDOS/SMSQ software development shortage practically prohibits to work >on USB host hardware. And even the hardware is a bit difficult

Re: [ql-users] Q40/Q60/??? Ultra IO card

Hi Dave, >Also, I noticed the 68060's are available in a variety of packages now. >What's the preference? PGA. QFP seems obsolete, so only PGA and BGA are interesting. BGA is very small, but only useful for volume production. Peter

Re: [ql-users] Q40/Q60/??? Ultra IO card

Hi Nasta, >MIDI, I2C, and CF would be covered by the existing chips. The Ethernet >would be 10/100 which is very difficult to find as an ISA board. PCMCIA is >a bit of a problem but there are chips for the too. Just mentioned a few ideas. It could be something else which is attractive for Q40/Q6

RE: [ql-users] Q40/Q60/??? Ultra IO card

Hi Claude, >Any chance to get USB (for digital still camera for instance, as even fast >RS232 is very slow) ? Our QDOS/SMSQ software development shortage practically prohibits to work on USB host hardware. And even the hardware is a bit difficult because of the lack of suitable USB *host* chips.

Re: [ql-users] Q40/Q60/??? Ultra IO card

Hi Nasta, > [...] > >Two more plus a CF socket adds hot-swappable CF card capability... > > [...] > >PC87C307, an AD1816, a 91C96 (or possibly 91C111?). That more or less >covers all the necessary ISA components. > > [GF description] > >all on a 100x160mm PCBneed I say more :-) Would it be worth

Re: [ql-users] Q40/Q60/??? Ultra IO card

Hi Dave, >This has me thinking. In what ways does the Q60 ISA implimentation differ >from the PC implementation? Some strange behaviour and a few rarely used signals have been removed. Card design should be even simpler than for a PC. But no DMA. >The CS8900 is a nice general purpose ethernet (

RE: [ql-users] Q40/Q60/??? Ultra IO card

Any chance to get USB (for digital still camera for instance, as even fast RS232 is very slow) ? -Message d'origine- De : Peter Graf [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Envoyé : mercredi 9 janvier 2002 23:07 À : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Objet : [ql-users] Q40/Q60/??? Ultra IO card Hi

Re: [ql-users] Q40/Q60/??? Ultra IO card

On Wed, 9 Jan 2002 at 22:47:57, ZN wrote: (ref: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) >>How do people actually use their machines these days? Well of course I have machines for testing/development. However I use one for my BBS and incoming fax and outside temperature monitoring (linked into the welcome messag

Re: [ql-users] Q40/Q60/??? Ultra IO card

On 1/10/02 at 4:53 AM Dexter wrote: >On Wed, 9 Jan 2002, ZN wrote: >> I was thinking about a SMSC 91C96 - works with 8 and 16 bit busses, has >> more buffer memory, and most important: it's 99.9% software compatible >> with the 10/100 non-PCI 91C111 (the only non-PCI 'all-in-one' 10/100 I >> kno

Re: [ql-users] Q40/Q60/??? Ultra IO card

On Wed, 9 Jan 2002, ZN wrote: > I was thinking about a SMSC 91C96 - works with 8 and 16 bit busses, has > more buffer memory, and most important: it's 99.9% software compatible with > the 10/100 non-PCI 91C111 (the only non-PCI 'all-in-one' 10/100 I know of) I've used the SMC91C94, and I've ch

Re: [ql-users] Q40/Q60/??? Ultra IO card

At 10:47 ìì 9/1/2002 -0500, you wrote: >On 1/9/02 at 11:22 PM Dexter wrote: > >(yes, I considered it - and the RTL 8019 - Ridiculous or not that's why I could sell PCI Realtek based 10/100 cards two (sorry three) years ago in Greece for 7 dollars :-) Phoebus Macroeconomics: Supply and

Re: [ql-users] Q40/Q60/??? Ultra IO card

On 1/9/02 at 11:22 PM Dexter wrote: >> If it had MultiIO/Ethernet as well, it seems to me that such a card would >> be a very good preparation for your XY-Fire! >This has me thinking. In what ways does the Q60 ISA implimentation differ >from the PC implementation? The CS8900 is a nice general pu

Re: [ql-users] Q40/Q60/??? Ultra IO card

On Wed, 9 Jan 2002, Peter Graf wrote: > If it had MultiIO/Ethernet as well, it seems to me that such a card would > be a very good preparation for your XY-Fire! This has me thinking. In what ways does the Q60 ISA implimentation differ from the PC implementation? The CS8900 is a nice general pu

[ql-users] Q40/Q60/??? Ultra IO card

Hi Nasta, >[...] The proper way to 'save' the Q40/60 against ISA card >dissapearing, is to produce a Q40 speciffic 'ISA' IO card. This could >easily be a combo-card, which would also solve the 'only two slot' problem. >All of the functions you mention except network (but then also some >additiona

[ql-users] Q40/Q60 extension slots

Hi Dave, >Also, you've used ISA and put two slots on the boards. How did you arrive >at the decision of two slots? What compromises/benefits does this provide? >I imagine the cost of extra PCB size was a large element. Yes, it was mainly the extra cost for a bigger PCB. And a little bit the idea

Re: [ql-users] Q40/Q60 keyboard interface

[EMAIL PROTECTED] makes some magical things to make me read } matrix thermal printer. I didn't realize how fast a thermal print would } fade! If you wanted to keep anything you had to photocopy it. Having } said that I have some listings I kept in a folder which are still } readable - maybe the

RE: [ql-users] Q40/Q60 keyboard interface

> Ah the good old days !! Sure were, mostly, I think. Yeah, must've been. Well definitely old anyway. Ian. > -Original Message- > From: Norman.Dunbar > Sent: 21 November 2001 14:38 > To: ql-users > Cc: Norman.Dunbar > Subject: RE: [ql-users] Q40/Q60 keyboard i

RE: [ql-users] Q40/Q60 keyboard interface

essage- From: Tony Firshman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2001 2:00 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ql-users] Q40/Q60 keyboard interface Mine was the UK101 - an unbelievable number of ICs with dodgy sockets. The QL took over from that, and was ultra relia

Re: [ql-users] Q40/Q60 keyboard interface

On Wed, 21 Nov 2001 at 10:30:48, wrote: (ref: <Hb5f118f7e56.1006338646.ln4p1327.ldn.swissbank.com@MHS>) > > >> -Original Message- >> From: tony >> Sent: 19 November 2001 16:46 >> To: ql-users >> Cc: tony >> Subject: Re: [ql-users] Q4

RE: [ql-users] Q40/Q60 keyboard interface

> -Original Message- > From: tony > Sent: 19 November 2001 16:46 > To: ql-users > Cc: tony > Subject: Re: [ql-users] Q40/Q60 keyboard interface > We developed sH on a breadboard which sounds just like your set up/ > It took many many months to tame the keyboard.

Re: [ql-users] Q40/Q60 keyboard interface

On Sat, 17 Nov 2001 at 16:37:40, Peter wrote: (ref: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) >Hi Ian, > >>Similar information about the Q40 keyboard port would be useful too. > >The input is a 6 pin DIN connector. Almost every keyboard has a leaflet to >describe the pinout, so I don't repeat it here. > >The Q40/Q6

Re: [ql-users] Q40/Q60 keyboard interface

On Mon, 19 Nov 2001 at 10:09:54, wrote: (ref: ) >Thanks Peter, useful and detailed information. I'd been playing around >with homebuilt 8-bit micro projects (which usually resembled a cluster >of ICs buried under heaps of spaghetti-w

RE: [ql-users] Q40/Q60 keyboard interface

ne of them. Sounds a bit more complicated than I thought it might've been, with those timing issues! Ian. > -Original Message- > From: pgraf > Sent: 17 November 2001 15:38 > To: ql-users > Cc: pgraf > Subject: [ql-users] Q40/Q60 keyboard interface > > &

[ql-users] Q40/Q60 keyboard interface

Hi Ian, >Similar information about the Q40 keyboard port would be useful too. The input is a 6 pin DIN connector. Almost every keyboard has a leaflet to describe the pinout, so I don't repeat it here. The Q40/Q60 keyboard transmission protocol is clocked serial (with the keyboard as clock sourc

Re: [ql-users] Q40/Q60 device drivers

Nasta wrote: >Let's also remember that users that do not have a Q40/60 may also >want CD access. Not everyone has (or for that matter can have or wants) >Linux on their QL compatible hardware. I think most of us are well aware of this. *If* a plain QDOS/SMSQ CD-recording software gets written, t

Re: [ql-users] Q40/Q60

Hi Giorgio Garabello, >Q40 is still available? Should be, but production runs very slow. >Q60 is in production? Still not in series production yet, but I try to supply a few waiting users with single boards. If you want one, please contact me by private email. There still is hope for a Q60 se

[ql-users] Q40/Q60

Q40 is still available? Q60 is in production? thanks in advance Giorgio Garabello

Re: [ql-users] Q40/Q60 in ATX case

Hi Bojan, > Why not just buy a used AT case? I sold one of mine for cca. £8... Why not. But even a new AT cases are often quite cheap. I recently saw one for about UKP 20 including power supply. > Another question, AFAIK AT and ATX power supplies have different > connectors for the mainboard.

Re: [ql-users] Q40/Q60 in ATX case

At 03:53 ìì 13/5/2001 +0200, you wrote: AT cases are still available and usually cheaper and smaller than ATX cases, so I don't see much reason for using ATX cases for the Q40. >>> >>>Well, not in France I'm afraid: it's difficult like HELL to get an >>>AT case (you may still find some i

Re: [ql-users] Q40/Q60 in ATX case

AT cases are still available and usually cheaper and smaller than ATX cases, so I don't see much reason for using ATX cases for the Q40. >>> >>>Well, not in France I'm afraid: it's difficult like HELL to get an >>>AT case (you may still find some in Paris, but very few models are >>>avai

Re: [ql-users] Q40/Q60 in ATX case

On Mon, May 14, 2001 at 03:27:53PM +0200, Jerome Grimbert wrote: > } > What's the difference with Q40 ? > } > } Not much else, just a bit faster. Mine shows about 134 BogoMIPS. > > With or without cache ? (w/ : which mode ?) it is bogomips test in Linux, usefull only for calibrating delay loop

Re: [ql-users] Q40/Q60 in ATX case

Jerome wrote: >} Not much else, just a bit faster. Mine shows about 134 BogoMIPS. > >With or without cache ? (w/ : which mode ?) Copyback on. Richard's Q60 is a 66 MHz one. The 80 MHz version shows 160 BogoMIPS. >Have you tried dhrystone on it ? (which compilation ?) Q60/80: 101000 Dhrystones/

Re: [ql-users] Q40/Q60 in ATX case

Wolfgang wrote: >> I can confirm this as I just acquired a Q60 from Peter >Hey, this is favoritism - can I buy one, too? Jerome wrote: >} > I can confirm this as I just acquired a Q60 from Peter >} Hey, this is favoritism - can I buy one, too? > >Me too ? Sorry, it was not my intention to disa

Re: [ql-users] Q40/Q60 in ATX case

Jerome Grimbert wrote: >When I boot the Q40, it's just: press the button, take a seat and it's ready >to read the latest floppy from QLToday. ;-) I suspect Jerome wants us to do a Jerome Grimbert cover disk -- Dilwyn Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.soft.net.uk/dj/index.html

Re: [ql-users] Q40/Q60 in ATX case

Richard Zidlicky makes some magical things to make me read } On Mon, May 14, 2001 at 09:58:33AM +0200, Jerome Grimbert wrote: } > Wolfgang Lenerz makes some magical things to make me read } > } On 12 May 2001, at 21:41, Thierry Godefroy wrote: } > } } > } > I can confirm this as I just acquired a

Re: [ql-users] Q40/Q60 in ATX case

Richard Zidlicky wrote: > 128 MB RAM is the maximum, SMSQ does not yet support that much. Hmm, with QPC you can use up to 256MB. Marcel

RE: [ql-users] Q40/Q60 in ATX case

I think Bogomils disapeared in 14th century ? -Message d'origine- De : Richard Zidlicky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Envoyé : lundi 14 mai 2001 14:10 À : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Objet : Re: [ql-users] Q40/Q60 in ATX case Not much else, just a bit faster. Mine shows about 134 BogoMIPS.

Re: [ql-users] Q40/Q60 in ATX case

On Mon, May 14, 2001 at 09:58:33AM +0200, Jerome Grimbert wrote: > Wolfgang Lenerz makes some magical things to make me read > } On 12 May 2001, at 21:41, Thierry Godefroy wrote: > } > } > I can confirm this as I just acquired a Q60 from Peter > } Hey, this is favoritism - can I buy one, too? >

Re: [ql-users] Q40/Q60 in ATX case

Wolfgang Lenerz makes some magical things to make me read } On 12 May 2001, at 21:41, Thierry Godefroy wrote: } } > I can confirm this as I just acquired a Q60 from Peter } Hey, this is favoritism - can I buy one, too? } Me too ? What's the max memory size ? Could I use some 64 MB EDO ship o

Re: [ql-users] Q40/Q60 in ATX case

On 12 May 2001, at 21:41, Thierry Godefroy wrote: > I can confirm this as I just acquired a Q60 from Peter Hey, this is favoritism - can I buy one, too? Wolfgang

Re: [ql-users] Q40/Q60 in ATX case

On Sun, 13 May 2001 at 10:27:21, you wrote: (ref: <004401c0db8f$80fdd920$9c5f883e@asusone>) >Hi Peter, > >Is there any plans to incorporate the ATX power management system into the >Q40 (SMSQ/E) rom > >I am very pleased with my one, it is very stable. I did use it on the BBS, >but the SMSQ/E had

Re: [ql-users] Q40/Q60 in ATX case

On Samedi 12 Mai 2001 22:55, Peter Graf wrote: > Thierry wrote: > >.../... > > >I can confirm this as I just acquired a Q60 from Peter and mounted it > >into an ATX case: no problem at all, no drilling, no fiddling, EASY! > > It is easy, but for a Q40 (or Q60 ;-)) an ATX case really is a waste of

Re: [ql-users] Q40/Q60 in ATX case

Hi Derek, >Is there any plans to incorporate the ATX power management system into the >Q40 (SMSQ/E) rom Tony Tebby is the only one who has the means to change SMSQ/E, and there is more important other work, so there are no plans for power saving functions yet. On the hardware side, the Q40/Q60

Re: [ql-users] Q40/Q60 in ATX case

Hi Peter, Is there any plans to incorporate the ATX power management system into the Q40 (SMSQ/E) rom I am very pleased with my one, it is very stable. I did use it on the BBS, but the SMSQ/E had problems with some of the Pbox mailing software, which I am looking into. This maybe just a re-compi

RE: [ql-users] Q40/Q60 in ATX case

Ah ! There is a show in Paris in october ?!! -Message d'origine- De : Tony Firshman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Envoyé : dimanche 13 mai 2001 01:08 À : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Objet : Re: [ql-users] Q40/Q60 in ATX case I could bring to the Paris show on October 13th, but that is far too

Re: [ql-users] Q40/Q60 in ATX case

On Sat, 12 May 2001 at 22:55:59, you wrote: (ref: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) >>> AT cases are still available and usually cheaper and smaller than ATX >>> cases, so I don't see much reason for using ATX cases for the Q40. >> >>Well, not in France I'm afraid: it's difficult like HELL to get an >>AT cas

Re: [ql-users] Q40/Q60 in ATX case

Thierry wrote: >I'm back from a long trip at sea... Expect an (over due) update >to my Web site next week. Thank you very much for your Website work! >> The Q40 is *not* simply an AT mainboard. It directly fits into both AT and >> ATX cases. This also applies to the mounting holes. At design ti

Re: [ql-users] Q40/Q60 in ATX case

Hi happy QLers ! I'm back from a long trip at sea... Expect an (over due) update to my Web site next week. On Samedi 12 Mai 2001 21:32, Peter Graf wrote: > Hi, > > by a QL Today article from Roy Wood, several users have got the wrong > impression the Q40 was not suitable for an ATX case. I had

[ql-users] Q40/Q60 in ATX case

Hi, by a QL Today article from Roy Wood, several users have got the wrong impression the Q40 was not suitable for an ATX case. I had several personal emails about this, so I think it is time for a public explanation. The Q40 is *not* simply an AT mainboard. It directly fits into both AT and ATX