Correct, mine are paired with SRAM brifters.
Bill
On Thursday, December 28, 2017 at 1:27:21 PM UTC-8, Coal Bee Rye Anne wrote:
>
> I just looked them up again (Yokozuna Motoko brakes) and realized they are
> in fact "road" disc calipers and appear to use short pull levers, not long
> pull/v bra
You mention the steerer strength is between 1" and 11/8" threadless. Has
anyone given any thought to possibly the superior strength of 1" steerer
that Rivendell is possibly using that was not used years past? Both Grant
Peterson in early Rivendell Readers possibly and for sure Keith Bontrager
i
I just looked them up again (Yokozuna Motoko brakes) and realized they are
in fact "road" disc calipers and appear to use short pull levers, not long
pull/v brake levers. Didn't realize this initially but thought I'd mention
it here for clarification.
On Thursday, December 28, 2017 at 3:38:33
Thanks Bill, The shop owner that first mentioned them to me was
pretty enthusiastic about 'em during our discussion but since that was last
winter I cannot now recall whether he had already tried them and was
pleased with their performance/set-up/etc. or was more excited about trying
them.
On
I just set up my first disc-braked bike using these brakes. Mine are
branded Juin Tech (Yokozuna rebrands the calipers includes a set of their
own cables, otherwise the same). They are dead simple to set up and adjust
- attach the calipers loosely, install the cable, then tighten the caliper
Anyone here have any experience using the Yokozuna cable actuated hydraulic
disc calipers? If I understand correctly these have a sealed hydraulic
system contained within the caliper only and use standard long pull brake
cables/levers. These were mentioned to me by the owner of a local shop
d
Those were sintered pads, but I'm not sure if the material would have
mattered.
I suspect that environmental conditions (rain, winter road glop) the back
plate had been exposed to initiated corrosion deteriorating the surface to
which the bond of the pad was adhered. Then I dinged the edge of t
In rainy Portland I wear out my front pads about once a season. So far my
sintered disc pads are on track to wear out at about the same rate, perhaps
a little faster. The difference is that with rim brakes I can check their
status whenever I look down at a stop light. I know when they’re going to
w
When was the last time you had to replace a pair of caliper brake pads
on the road because you wore them out during a ride? I usually get
years-to-decades from mine.
On 12/27/2017 06:19 PM, William Henderson wrote:
Yikes! I keep spare pads in my patch kit because it’s hard to watch
pad wear
Yikes! I keep spare pads in my patch kit because it’s hard to watch pad
wear so I’m paranoid about wearing a pair out during a ride. Now I have
another reason to!
Out of curiosity, what sort of material were the pads? I’ve broken
resin-type pads while inserting them before but sintered pads seem t
Patrick, in my experience (Avid BB7, Shimano something mechanical, TRP
Spyke, and Shimano M6xxx hydros), the Shimano hydros never seem to have
significant rubbing, while the Avids and Shimano mechs seem to end up
rubbing quite often. Not much time on the TRPs yet to see where they land.
Has anyone
I expect your difference in experience has less to do with the caliper
(BB7s vs Klampers are similar designs) and more to do with your dropouts or
perhaps your skewers. The problem is caused by slight differences in how
the wheel is seated before and after you remove the wheel. With rim brakes,
Love my disc brakes. Low level Deore Shimano hydros. I’ve never done anything
to them except change the pads - they came on the bike and I’ve swapped bars
and wheelsizes and forks an never had an issue. Definitely the best brakes for
any sort of “terrain” riding. I’m very happy the hydros came w
Eric: question about hydraulics versus cable. I've read in more than one
place opinions by experienced disc brake users that, when it comes to pad
rub and adjustment to avoid it, there is little difference between
hydraulic and at least the better cable systems (I include BB7s in this
last category
I don’t have any disk-equipped bikes. I rode one a few times before deciding
not to buy it (for reasons that had nothing to do with the brakes.)
One downside that would affect me is that the wheels would not interchange with
any of my existing bikes. I can move around wheels in my existing stabl
I think hydraulic disc brakes would address most of your concerns:
- the pads basically stay centered, so wheel removal is easy
- once they're set up, maintenance basically involves changing the pads
when needed (this takes about one minute). Yes, I guess you could bleed
them every year, but so f
Not me, not with discs, as long as you don't slam the pads when inserting
the rotor, or bash the rotor against a convenient rock or tree, and bend
it. I've had to adjust V brakes and cantis and single pivots more often in
such circs than discs. This is my experience, and I've learned to insert
the
If your hands are getting dirty from the rims when you remove your wheels,
then you are collecting a lot of aluminum dust on the rims -- not at all
good! Even if the dirt were only road grit, still, that has obvious
implications for you rims' life.
I've probably fixed more roadside flats than any
Do you have to adjust pads when you R&R the wheels?
On 12/27/2017 02:52 PM, Patrick Moore wrote:
I personally find removing and re-installing wheels roadside at least
as easy with discs as with calipers or cantis or V brakes, perhaps
easier. I'd call this one an easy draw.
On Wed, Dec 27, 20
I personally find removing and re-installing wheels roadside at least as
easy with discs as with calipers or cantis or V brakes, perhaps easier. I'd
call this one an easy draw.
On Wed, Dec 27, 2017 at 12:32 PM, William!
wrote:
> Hard to say one is easier than the other. Fixing a flat is harder w
I *mean;* I see no reason why Rivendell shouldn't stick to rim brakes ...
On Wed, Dec 27, 2017 at 12:47 PM, Patrick Moore
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I think it was you who shared with me the photo of your wonderfully
repaired, disc-equipped, and repainted Atlantis -- as good as new and then
some, IMO.
I see no reason why Rivendell might stick with calipers; but I don't think
at all that adding a disc brake off road model to their line would
co
Very interesting. So, upshot, at least per Mitch's experience: if you have
sufficiently wide tires, the discs, at least hydraulics, can stop easier --
and "better" in this sense -- on road bikes with aluminum rims by requiring
less concentration and "technique" in hard slowdowns at high speed. I
wo
Thanks.
Gawd, this all-over-the-field "discussion" makes me happy to be on the rbw list.
Upshot of all the back-and-forth: discs (hydraulic? Not said) modulate better
-- maybe.
I'm mot convinced. (Note origonal question.)
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> On Jul 2, 2017, at 6:44 PM, Garth wrote:
>
> He
That's not a bad article, though some of both the pro's and con's are
nit-picky and not of real importance in real life -- eg, on the "pro" side,
that you can slap reflective tap on your rims' braking surface. Sure, I
choose my brakes based on reflective tape; and in fact, the light disc rims
don't
I'd love to see a photo of your disc'd Atlantis.
As for Jan's take on discs, I don't consider him a disc expert. Certainly,
in my 50 years of riding all sorts of brakes, from rods to rod/Bowden
hybrids, to Altenbergers, to mechanical discs, I deny that mechanicals with
160 mm rotors are not as pow
Safety! Now there is an argument to upgrade the whole stable! ;-)
On Wednesday, June 28, 2017 at 10:49:45 AM UTC-7, William! wrote:
>
> After almost 10 years of commuting and touring I wrecked my Atlantis when
> a car pulled out in front of me. Besides taco'ing the wheel, it needed a
> new fork
Good points William.
Now let's get a look at this resurrected Anlanti with discs.
~Hugh
“Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep
moving.” ― Albert Einstein
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On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 10:49 AM, William!
wrote:
> After almost 10 years of
After almost 10 years of commuting and touring I wrecked my Atlantis when a
car pulled out in front of me. Besides taco'ing the wheel, it needed a new
fork and tube replacements. When I got it rebuilt, I decided to switch to
disc brakes instead of staying with cantilevers.
I'll start out by say
Oh, yes. DiscoHunq. Genius. Now they almost have to do it. Maybe a disco
ball with a J. Travolta figure wearing Riv Spats as the headbadge...
On Tuesday, June 27, 2017 at 1:50:22 PM UTC-4, ascpgh wrote:
>
> Mark wrote: " I would imagine if a disc Riv were ever to emerge, it could
> be, like a Ma
Mark wrote: " I would imagine if a disc Riv were ever to emerge, it could
be, like a Mark's Rack, a Bob's HunqaDiscar,"
"DiscoHunq"?
Grant had said a rim is a rotor. Having never replaced a rotor on either of
the two bikes I've had with disk, I find the argument that you don't have
to replace
I just read it.
Good articles, and I agree with most of what he says.
Still, disc brakes have their place, among the advantages is very light
rims; that and not wearing out expensive rims quickly are the main reasons
I like discs on my dirt road bike.
On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 10:50 AM, Garth wro
He goes into that in the second link Patrick.
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the V-brake was the worst of both worlds really, but that's a whole
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Now why would he say that?
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Here is a perspective from Rodriguez Bikes who custom builds tandem, road, mtb
and touring frames and bikes.
http://www.rodbikes.com/articles/disco-fever/disco-fever.html
http://rodcycle.com/articles/brakes.html
And for those thinking they can just have some fittings brazed on to their
Ri
Your colleagues' awkwardness with getting into and out of pedals makes me
think of my younger self, some 25+ years ago, when I started using slotted
cleats and early clipless systems -- Grafton! Sampson! -- I recall the
(very carefully hidden) trepidation with which I approached every red light
and
Written in this thread:
*But I don't think discs would dilute his product; after all, isn't what
most makes Rivendells to be Rivendells the ride and the feel? If not, if
it's just rim brakes and retro styling, then they're just pretty consumer
objects.*
*Of all the niggling little things that
I use SPDs, or should I say I have mastered using them and have stuck with
them
I stay out of the clipless/platform conversations. This is an old habit and
muscle memory I've had since rehabbing from injury/surgery. Had pretty
serious neuropathy and proprioception trouble and kept my foot from
I know I'm sounding like a parrot here and I'll stfu after this, but Riv
sells steel bikes and of the approximately 1,000,000 framebuilders in the
United States (true, most of them are in Portland, but bikeflights is your
friend) there are bound to be some are capable of and would happily put
p
Someone else in this thread said why should it be one way or the other.
There are many, many aspects of Riv bikes that I swear by - which is the
reason I spend 3x the money (as compared to off-the-shelf choices I had
considered) building one. Introducing discs doesn't make all the other
fabu
Chauncey builds great bikes, but he doesn't build bikes that handle like
Rivendells, and I'm not sure another builder to do so would be that easy to
find, and certainly not at Chauncey's prices.
I must say though that my hankering for a Hunq is a very light or modest
hankering; I'm very happy with
Lol. The defect. Hahaha. I think your point of view is a little fiddly. You
have a Matthews, which is a custom builder of frames. So presumably you
could have built whatever type of bike you wanted which would have the ride
characteristic you seek. You could have told Matthews I want a single top
t
Canti brakes are not going away anytime soon. Of course "the industry" is
pushing them because that is their business, to sell stuff and for no other
reason. (Don't get me started on how the cassette wheel system is supposedly so
superior to the fw system. ahahahahahaa!, and save the rebutta
On Monday, June 26, 2017 at 12:16:46 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> Jay Connolly prophesied what will happen if Rivendell doesn't make a
> disc-brake single bike.
>
> I've prophesied that Rivendell is not going to make a disc-brake single
> bike.
>
> *BUT*if they did decide to make a
The defect of this point of view is that one would not be able to get a
bike that handles and fits and feels like a Rivendell, but that has disc
brakes, short of taking your Hunq or Atlantis to a local builder.
I'd swap my Matthews, as much as I like it, for a disc-brake Hunq! (But
single top tube
Andy: I take it that you are riding no-retention?
Aside: interesting: I used MKS RX-1 track pedals on my gofast for a while,
with clips and straps and strap buttons (very useful little doodads), and
excessively kool old skool Rivats with leather soles and 2-bolt slotted
cleats. I found it quite ea
I think discs have been oversold in the bike market, and IME V brakes are
ideal brakes if you want stopping power, wide tires, and ease of setup. But
discs do have this advantage, that they allow you to use a very light rim
-- practically tubular rim weight. The Velocity Blunt SS has a claimed
weig
Jay Connolly prophesied what will happen if Rivendell doesn't make a
disc-brake single bike.
I've prophesied that Rivendell is not going to make a disc-brake single
bike.
*BUT*if they did decide to make a test run of disc brake equipped
bikes, what would you have them build? In my opi
Meant to say "often" the only ferrous framed rider present some weeks.
Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh
On Monday, June 26, 2017 at 12:53:47 PM UTC-4, ascpgh wrote:
>
> I don't see it as any battle against industry "progress", but rather the
> preservation of options. Objectively it can be argued that s
I don't see it as any battle against industry "progress", but rather the
preservation of options. Objectively it can be argued that something is
better for whatever scalar you choose, that does not make me like it.
Preference is very important when you have persisted in an equipment
dependent
I used only canti brakes a quite a while. Then I went ro discs. When I
discovered v-brakes, I wondered why I had bothered with discs. For true MTBs, I
think discs are an advantage in mud, and I prefer XT-level hydraulics, which
have been faultless, for me. Most mechanicals are fiddly, though the
On Friday, June 23, 2017 at 1:16:58 PM UTC-7, masmojo wrote:
>
> For forks you gotta go back to Rivendell or go custom
>
If you want the Riv look, yes, but there are still plenty of third-party
forks in the 1" steertubeway out there if getting a replacement is
necessary and you can't affor
You've gotta put a reinforcing rib on the back of the caliper-side fork
blade; it's fussy, but it doesn't spoil the look of a riv fork NEARLY as
much as jackknifing one of the fork blades.
-david parsons
On Friday, June 23, 2017 at 12:18:23 PM UTC-7, Peter White wrote:
>
> Oh, no! Put a disc b
My 2 cents:
Three cheers for building weirdo frames around surplus forks. I have a
Rosco V1 and am patiently awaiting my MMM (Medium Mountain Mixte)
Disc brakes (and V brakes) are ugly and a pain to adjust. I have two bikes
with discs (hydraulic) not counting the HHH. My Bike Friday has V brake
Yeah, I don't think scarcity of parts would be on my list for worries with a
Riv. Build quality, ride quality, and ease of maintenance has always been great
with Rivendells for me.
But, and this is just for me and my current riding life, Riv is unfortunately
not making a bike for my riding sty
The reality about parts is this:
- you can fit a modern outboard bearing crank on a Riv. 68mm bb shells aren't
going away.
- rim brakes aren't going away.
- seatposts? Always there
- saddles are fine
- quills stems are produced constantly by several makers
- tires we have MORE of now than 10 years
Steel frames are not going away. There are many large and small
operations that do custom frames and repair. Here in Ohio for example is
Jack Franklin who makes his own and repairs any steel frame. He also does
Al and Ti makes of his own. By far he said he thrives on repairs, often
fixing th
I have to agree that thoughts about parts becoming extinct or hard to find
is becoming paranoia. Really, quill stems? There's nitto. But don't forget
that kalloy and sunlite, chinese made stuff, still sell quill stems. Steel
forks? Come on, as long as there are steel framebuilders, there will a
also to add, i don't think rivendell has ever made a choice based on saving
themselves money, moreso saving the customer money. i rather like the quill
stem even if for aesthetic reasons. never had a problem with them.
OTOH i bought an old raleigh (before they moved production from UK), and
the
masmojo said "it's getting hard to replace Rivendell parts".
Let me know what Rivendell part you are having a hard time finding, and
I'll try to help you out. If you are fretting about hypotheticals, I think
that's a little bit unnecessary. Jones makes awesome bikes. I don't think
it would
Correction it looks as though the new VO will have a quill stem after all.
Strange.
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Bill, part of my concern is also long term viability. As it stands it's getting
very hard to replace Rivendell parts, because they are such throw backs. For
forks you gotta go back to Rivendell or go custom & even custom might get hard
to source at some point. It's doable now, but what about 10
I have no dispute with your opinions, masmojo. It's totally fine to
suggest them. It's admirable that the suggestions are motivated by
goodwill towards Rivendell's business. My own stable has multiple bikes
with 1-1/8" steerers, multiple bikes with hydraulic disc brakes, and
multiple bike wi
Yes, those 2 are the only one I have experience with.
On Friday, June 23, 2017 at 12:12:53 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Good to know; the question is becoming clearer. Your experience is with XT
> and SLX hydros which presumable have the sort of greater leverage Jeremy
> spoke of.
>
> On F
Oh, no! Put a disc brake onto any Rivendell fork I've ever seen and after
the first hard braking you'll have a severely bent left fork blade. Fork
blades must be quite a bit stiffer to work with disc brakes.
PJW
In my experience, the fiddly bit of hydraulic brakes is the tubing;
> otherwise they
Good to know; the question is becoming clearer. Your experience is with XT
and SLX hydros which presumable have the sort of greater leverage Jeremy
spoke of.
On Fri, Jun 23, 2017 at 12:51 PM, Clayton.sf wrote:
> Patrick,
>
> To answer your last question. I have never used BB7, but my XT and SLX
But perhaps not as Rivendell would make it -- which is the point here.
On Fri, Jun 23, 2017 at 12:53 PM, Garth wrote:
>
>Then again, I hope Riv never ever makes a disc brake frame. As
> been said, there are countless people who will make you a frame just the
> way you like it.
>
>
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Patrick,
To answer your last question. I have never used BB7, but my XT and SLX
hydros have kept the pads away suffiently after setup.
- with QR axles setup involves initial centering in the stand with a follow
centering after a few miles on the trail.
- with Thru axles setup involves initial
Bill, it would be a stretch to say I want Rivendell to go more mainstream. If
that were the case I wouldn't even be here. But, embracing classic design,
materials & craftsmanship need not come at the expense of practicality or
functionality.
I could totally go either way with respect to disc bra
One more thing. Thru axles so far have eliminated the second re-centering
that used to be required after the first few miles of riding after wheel
re-installment.
Disclaimer: I am super sensitive to things. Other people may not notice or
care to this degree.
Clayton "Princess and the pea" Sco
For me, the bottom line is having the pads sufficiently far from the disc
to prevent that frequent rubbing that comes from very small changes in the
rotors' trueness, or from dirt or water on the pads; that's part 1. Part 2
is, to get this distance without compromising braking power *and* without
c
"Fiddly" to me means: something needs a higher amount of repeated
fiddling-with to achieve desired results than is reasonable to me.
Example: Two wheelsets with the same rotor and hub that still require me to
re-center the hydro disc caliper after each swap and then one more time
after the firs
"If hydraulics are just a fiddly as, or even more fiddly"
I guess I need a definition of the term 'fiddly'. When I hear the word
'fiddly', my brain hears "I'm not a mechanic, and I don't know how things
work, and no matter how much random wrenching I throw at this subsystem of
the bike, it nev
In my experience, the fiddly bit of hydraulic brakes is the tubing;
otherwise they're about as well behaved as a good pair of rim brakes. And
you don't pay the Spyre or Hy/rd premium for them (if you care at all about
how single-piston brakes need to shove the disk into the other caliper.)
(An
This is good to know. If hydraulics are just a fiddly as, or even more
fiddly (depending on the make and model) than good mechanical discs, then I
have no need for them. I suppose I'd want them for riding really steep
technical stuff, but for my sort of riding, any good cable operated brake,
disc o
What defines a Rivendell for me are:
1. Ride characteristics and quality.
2. Quality of build -- strength, but also appearance.
3. Aesthetics, or more simply, the way they look; but this is more general
than lugs: even a tigg'd Rivendell would have a sober but not dull
appearance with nice graphic
*Basically, no matter the type of brake, their ain't no free lunch: high
leverage and more stopping power per unit of lever squeezing force comes at
the cost of tighter clearances. The only thing that changes are the
location and scale of those tolerances. *
Well said. I guess that, by attaching
(I don't know you name): I've used enough of Avid's different BB7 models to
know that even one-sided (only one pad is moved) mechanical discs can be
set up to provide outstanding and consistent power with little problem from
rotor rub (I do find that, when the pads are contaminated, as when they ar
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