Re: FW: [SLUG] Fedora Core 5

2006-03-21 Thread Bret Comstock Waldow
On Wed, 22 Mar 2006 15:33, James Purser wrote: > It is also a great indicator of the ability of the posters ability to deal > with people who a) Might not have the same level of experience, b) may > have a different opinion or c) may not be able to communicate as clearly. > The sooner RTFM is trot

Re: Not the place for RTFM [Was: [SLUG] Fedora Core 5]

2006-03-21 Thread O Plameras
Lindsay Holmwood wrote: On 3/22/06, O Plameras <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: You should just leave the policy making to the Slug Committee. Your time is over. Speaking on behalf of the committee, we side with Jeff's assessment of proper etiquette on the Slug list. Lindsay OK. --

Re: [SLUG] Nomination for President of SLUG

2006-03-21 Thread O Plameras
Erik de Castro Lopo wrote: Hi all, I am a fully paid up member of SLUG, both this year and last and I would like to nominate Oscar Plameras for President of SLUG [0]. Regards, Erik [0] Mainly so I can vote against him. How can you nominate me when I am not a financial member ? I do not w

Re: Not the place for RTFM [Was: [SLUG] Fedora Core 5]

2006-03-21 Thread Lindsay Holmwood
On 3/22/06, O Plameras <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You should just leave the policy making to the Slug Committee. Your time > is over. Speaking on behalf of the committee, we side with Jeff's assessment of proper etiquette on the Slug list. Lindsay -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing Li

[SLUG] Nomination for President of SLUG

2006-03-21 Thread Erik de Castro Lopo
Hi all, I am a fully paid up member of SLUG, both this year and last and I would like to nominate Oscar Plameras for President of SLUG [0]. Regards, Erik [0] Mainly so I can vote against him. -- +---+ Erik de Castro Lopo +---

Re: Not the place for RTFM [Was: [SLUG] Fedora Core 5]

2006-03-21 Thread Erik de Castro Lopo
O Plameras wrote: > Jeff, I remember a few years back. You were President of SLUG and you > had to resign. You dropped > the ball unceremoniously and its time you let the Slug Committee run > SLUG. You really missed up. Bullshit. There are many times in life where a sudden change in circumstan

Re: FW: [SLUG] Fedora Core 5

2006-03-21 Thread Erik de Castro Lopo
O Plameras wrote: > You live in a bubble. You always say you speak for other people, as if > you are the only one who can express yourself and not the other persons. On the matter of RTFM I agree with Jeff and I hereby allow him to speak for me on the subject of RTFM. Erik -- +---

Re: FW: [SLUG] Fedora Core 5

2006-03-21 Thread James Purser
Old Chinese Proverb: Virginity Like Bubble, One Prick All Gone. Geez man give it a rest. Face the fact that people on this list who are not Jeff actually agree with him and move on with life. -- James Purser Producer/Presenter - Linux Australia Update http://k-sit.com - My Blog http://la-pod.k-s

Re: FW: [SLUG] Fedora Core 5

2006-03-21 Thread O Plameras
Jeff Waugh wrote: You live in a bubble. You always say you speak for other people, as if you are the only one who can express yourself and not the other persons. Funny how others have expressed the same thoughts on this thread, Oscar. It's not funny when others speak for themse

Re: Not the place for RTFM [Was: [SLUG] Fedora Core 5]

2006-03-21 Thread O Plameras
Jeff Waugh wrote: I'm pretty comfortable with my knowledge of online etiquette. I'm not so comfortable with your knowledge of SLUG's. Google tells me that there are over 5Mega Articles that disagrees with you. Oscar, over many years, we have adapted the culture of SLUG toward

Re: FW: [SLUG] Fedora Core 5

2006-03-21 Thread Jeff Waugh
> You live in a bubble. You always say you speak for other people, as if > you are the only one who can express yourself and not the other persons. Funny how others have expressed the same thoughts on this thread, Oscar. - Jeff -- FISL 7.0: Porto Alegre, Brazilhttp://fisl.softwarelivr

Re: FW: [SLUG] Fedora Core 5

2006-03-21 Thread Craige McWhirter
On Wed, 2006-03-22 at 17:51 +1100, O Plameras wrote: > You live in a bubble. You always say you speak for other people, as if > you are the only one who can express yourself and not the other persons. There are many people like myself, who are not speaking up because we concur with Jeff's senti

Re: FW: [SLUG] Fedora Core 5

2006-03-21 Thread Matthew Hannigan
On Wed, Mar 22, 2006 at 05:41:30PM +1100, O Plameras wrote: > In the context of the Post, there is RTFM in www.openssl.org. The person > I addressed the reply That'd be me > to in my assessment is matured You make me sound like a cheese. > and well-informed SLUG user. I presume he > knows wh

Re: FW: [SLUG] Fedora Core 5

2006-03-21 Thread O Plameras
Jeff Waugh wrote: In the context of the Post, there is RTFM in www.openssl.org. The person I addressed the reply to in my assessment is matured and well-informed SLUG user. I presume he knows what is meant by my RTFM. Yet there are plenty of other people on this list who will read th

[SLUG] About joining your business

2006-03-21 Thread Caroline Harper
Hi there, You emailed your business details to me a few months ago. Sorry I didn't join then but I am ready again now. Would you please send me an email with details how to join your business? Thanks Love Caroline -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscrip

Re: FW: [SLUG] Fedora Core 5

2006-03-21 Thread Jeff Waugh
> In the context of the Post, there is RTFM in www.openssl.org. The person I > addressed the reply to in my assessment is matured and well-informed SLUG > user. I presume he knows what is meant by my RTFM. Yet there are plenty of other people on this list who will read that and see it for what i

Re: FW: [SLUG] Fedora Core 5

2006-03-21 Thread O Plameras
Terry Collins wrote: Jeff Waugh wrote: ... and on *this* list service, "RTFM" (as a serious answer to a question) is inappropriate. It's an ugly part of other online cultures that is not wanted or needed here. And not only that, there is usually NO FM {:-). And you can eas

Re: FW: [SLUG] Fedora Core 5

2006-03-21 Thread Terry Collins
Jeff Waugh wrote: > > ... and on *this* list service, "RTFM" (as a serious answer to a question) > is inappropriate. It's an ugly part of other online cultures that is not > wanted or needed here. And not only that, there is usually NO FM {:-). And you can easily get a reply like "Well the only

Re: FW: [SLUG] Fedora Core 5

2006-03-21 Thread Jamie Wilkinson
This one time, at band camp, O Plameras wrote: >What I know is there is security issue. I did not know that openssl-0.9.7f >has been patched to fix this problem until I saw a number of post on this >list. But the 0.9.8a release has the fix according to their site. So, I >tried >to go for it. Subs

Re: FW: [SLUG] Fedora Core 5

2006-03-21 Thread James Purser
> May I venture, then, to say that your overall perspective is limited. > You somewhat live in a pretend world. Yes, the one with with fairies and dwarves and horrible little trolls. > If the search in SLUG works try and search for the word RTFM and I am > not the first person to use it > in SLU

Not the place for RTFM [Was: [SLUG] Fedora Core 5]

2006-03-21 Thread Jeff Waugh
> > I'm pretty comfortable with my knowledge of online etiquette. I'm not so > > comfortable with your knowledge of SLUG's. > > Google tells me that there are over 5Mega Articles that disagrees with > you. Oscar, over many years, we have adapted the culture of SLUG towards one that does not use

Re: FW: [SLUG] Fedora Core 5

2006-03-21 Thread O Plameras
James Purser wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RTFM disagrees with you. Whacko for them. I think you'll find that there is a large body of people both on this list and others who do not like the mentality that comes with RTFM as a serious response. May I venture, then, to say that

Re: FW: [SLUG] Fedora Core 5

2006-03-21 Thread CaT
On Wed, Mar 22, 2006 at 04:41:47PM +1100, James Purser wrote: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RTFM disagrees with you. > > Whacko for them. I think you'll find that there is a large body of people > both on this list and others who do not like the mentality that comes with > RTFM as a serious re

Re: FW: [SLUG] Fedora Core 5

2006-03-21 Thread O Plameras
Matthew Hannigan wrote: On Wed, Mar 22, 2006 at 01:26:39PM +1100, O Plameras wrote: Matthew Hannigan wrote: On Wed, Mar 22, 2006 at 01:14:28PM +1100, O Plameras wrote: Due to security inadequacy. Details man! Details! The details are in www.openssl.o

Re: FW: [SLUG] Fedora Core 5

2006-03-21 Thread Chris Deigan
"James Purser".quote; >Jeff has already come out swinging on this issue and I will join him. RTFM >is a sign that the poster could not be bothered explaining themselves to >any degree, and to a large extent, it displays a lack of respect for the >person you are posting too. Or that they themselves

Re: [SLUG] HW exp with Dec Alpha Servers?

2006-03-21 Thread James Gray
On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 10:36 pm, Terry Collins wrote: > James Gray wrote: > > Other reasons why Alpha's wont workwell, that would require them to > > at least have power. > > > > Not much help, but what does "dead in the water" really mean in this > > case? > > Okay, both machines have done at lea

Re: FW: [SLUG] Fedora Core 5

2006-03-21 Thread James Purser
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RTFM disagrees with you. Whacko for them. I think you'll find that there is a large body of people both on this list and others who do not like the mentality that comes with RTFM as a serious response. Jeff has already come out swinging on this issue and I will joi

[SLUG] EMAIL MARKETING WITH US

2006-03-21 Thread Kris Bright
Hi Friend: Have you tried online advertising for your business? Let me tell you ppc banner popup... nothing will work as good as email advertising Email advertising is cheap effective and it can generate massive profit for you. Do a simple math if you advertise to 1 million people only 5% buy

Re: FW: [SLUG] Fedora Core 5

2006-03-21 Thread O Plameras
Jeff Waugh wrote: ... and on *this* list service, "RTFM" (as a serious answer to a question) is inappropriate. It's an ugly part of other online cultures that is not wanted or needed here. You really need to RTFM, say, the netiquette from the Internet. I'm pretty comfortable

Re: FW: [SLUG] Fedora Core 5

2006-03-21 Thread Jamie Wilkinson
This one time, at band camp, O Plameras wrote: >You really need to RTFM, say, the netiquette from the Internet. I'll >translate RTFM as Read The Fabulous Manual in >accordance with http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RTFM. SNUH. SLUG's Not Usenet. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - htt

Re: FW: [SLUG] Fedora Core 5

2006-03-21 Thread Jeff Waugh
> > ... and on *this* list service, "RTFM" (as a serious answer to a > > question) is inappropriate. It's an ugly part of other online cultures > > that is not wanted or needed here. > > You really need to RTFM, say, the netiquette from the Internet. I'm pretty comfortable with my knowledge of

Re: FW: [SLUG] Fedora Core 5

2006-03-21 Thread Matthew Hannigan
On Wed, Mar 22, 2006 at 01:26:39PM +1100, O Plameras wrote: > Matthew Hannigan wrote: > >On Wed, Mar 22, 2006 at 01:14:28PM +1100, O Plameras wrote: > > > >>Due to security inadequacy. > >> > > > >Details man! Details! > > > > > > > > > > The details are in www.openssl.org. > > You know w

Re: FW: [SLUG] Fedora Core 5

2006-03-21 Thread O Plameras
James Purser wrote: Usenet and lists groups are the Godfather and Godmothers of all lists service. Yes, and once people would make human sacrifices to their pagan gods for a good crop. We don't do that anymore because it's not considered good manners, much the same was as RTFM is looked u

Re: FW: [SLUG] Fedora Core 5

2006-03-21 Thread O Plameras
Jeff Waugh wrote: Besides, what is this noise about RTFM. It is an acceptable language in USENET and lists groups since I can remember. SLUG's Not Usenet. Usenet and lists groups are the Godfather and Godmothers of all lists service. ... and on *this* list service,

Re: FW: [SLUG] Fedora Core 5

2006-03-21 Thread James Purser
> Usenet and lists groups are the Godfather and Godmothers of all lists > service. Yes, and once people would make human sacrifices to their pagan gods for a good crop. We don't do that anymore because it's not considered good manners, much the same was as RTFM is looked upon as being trite and a

[SLUG] BUGS meeting: Thursday, 30th March

2006-03-21 Thread Chris Deigan
Dear SLUG members (and anyone else who is interested :), You are most welcome to join us for the meeting outlined below. This is a fairly infrequent opportunity. We'd love to see you there! BSD Users Group Sydney Meeting == What: Drinks and dinner. Meet some Free

Re: FW: [SLUG] Fedora Core 5

2006-03-21 Thread Jeff Waugh
> > > Besides, what is this noise about RTFM. It is an acceptable language > > > in USENET and lists groups since I can remember. > > > >SLUG's Not Usenet. > > Usenet and lists groups are the Godfather and Godmothers of all lists > service. ... and on *this* list service, "RTFM" (as a serious

Re: FW: [SLUG] Fedora Core 5

2006-03-21 Thread O Plameras
Jamie Wilkinson wrote: This one time, at band camp, O Plameras wrote: Besides, what is this noise about RTFM. It is an acceptable language in USENET and lists groups since I can remember. SLUG's Not Usenet. Usenet and lists groups are the Godfather and Godmothers of all lists s

Re: [SLUG] Committee Nomination

2006-03-21 Thread Michael Kedzierski
As a financial member, I agree with, and thus nominate/second James Purser's nomination/seconding in his stead. :) -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html

Re: openssl & FC4 (was Re: FW: [SLUG] Fedora Core 5)

2006-03-21 Thread O Plameras
David Gillies wrote: Check what the release version of the openssl rpm is. It should be the same release version as this (7.10) $ rpm -qi openssl Name: openssl Relocations: (not relocatable) Version : 0.9.7fVendor: Red Hat, Inc. Relea

Re: [SLUG] local website for listing computers/parts for sale, purchase, trade?

2006-03-21 Thread Leslie Katz
Dean Hamstead wrote: http://forums.overclockers.com.au Dean Leslie Katz wrote: Does one of a non-profit nature exist? Thanks, Dean. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html

Re: openssl & FC4 (was Re: FW: [SLUG] Fedora Core 5)

2006-03-21 Thread Howard Lowndes
O Plameras wrote: David Gillies wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 O Plameras wrote: David Gillies wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 O Plameras wrote: I tried to install OpenSSL-0.9.8a in FC 4. But there are far too many packages th

Re: openssl & FC4 (was Re: FW: [SLUG] Fedora Core 5)

2006-03-21 Thread David Gillies
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 O Plameras wrote: > David Gillies wrote: > >>O Plameras wrote: >> >>>David Gillies wrote: >>> O Plameras wrote: >I tried to install OpenSSL-0.9.8a in FC 4. But there are far too many >packages that rely on OpenSSL-0.9.7f that comes with

Re: openssl & FC4 (was Re: FW: [SLUG] Fedora Core 5)

2006-03-21 Thread O Plameras
Norman Gaywood wrote: On Wed, Mar 22, 2006 at 02:31:34PM +1100, O Plameras wrote: David Gillies wrote: O Plameras wrote: I tried to install OpenSSL-0.9.8a in FC 4. But there are far too many packages that rely on OpenSSL-0.9.7f that comes with FC4. It's not worth my effort chas

Re: openssl & FC4 (was Re: FW: [SLUG] Fedora Core 5)

2006-03-21 Thread CaT
On Wed, Mar 22, 2006 at 02:42:06PM +1100, O Plameras wrote: > >>>openssl in FC4 is patched as openssl 0.9.7f > >>> > >>Was patched in openssl-0.9.7h. > > > >And was then backported to 0.9.7f-7.10 in FC4. > > Sorry, I don't get this backported version in FC4 or FC3. My auto-update > using >

Re: FW: [SLUG] Fedora Core 5

2006-03-21 Thread Jamie Wilkinson
This one time, at band camp, O Plameras wrote: >Besides, what is this noise about RTFM. It is an acceptable language in >USENET and lists groups since >I can remember. SLUG's Not Usenet. (or SNUH for short) -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info

Re: [SLUG] local website for listing computers/parts for sale, purchase, trade?

2006-03-21 Thread Dean Hamstead
http://forums.overclockers.com.au Dean Leslie Katz wrote: Does one of a non-profit nature exist? -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html

Re: openssl & FC4 (was Re: FW: [SLUG] Fedora Core 5)

2006-03-21 Thread Norman Gaywood
On Wed, Mar 22, 2006 at 02:31:34PM +1100, O Plameras wrote: > David Gillies wrote: > >O Plameras wrote: > >>I tried to install OpenSSL-0.9.8a in FC 4. But there are far too many > >>packages that rely on OpenSSL-0.9.7f that comes with FC4. It's > >>not worth my effort chasing rainbows. > > > >open

Re: [SLUG] [chat] NFS Shares.

2006-03-21 Thread tuxta2
cmyers wrote: Just a quick question, I have read many faqs about why an NFS share would take forever to mount and they all suggest that there is a dns problem when so i use the IP to avoid the possibility of that problem. The entry in my exports file is /mnt/drive1 192.168.0.123/255.255.255.0(

Re: openssl & FC4 (was Re: FW: [SLUG] Fedora Core 5)

2006-03-21 Thread O Plameras
David Gillies wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 O Plameras wrote: David Gillies wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 O Plameras wrote: I tried to install OpenSSL-0.9.8a in FC 4. But there are far too many packages that rely on OpenSSL-0.9

[SLUG] local website for listing computers/parts for sale, purchase, trade?

2006-03-21 Thread Leslie Katz
Does one of a non-profit nature exist? -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html

Re: FW: [SLUG] Fedora Core 5

2006-03-21 Thread O Plameras
James Purser wrote: RTFM means "READ THE FUJITSU MANUAL" if you don't know.. It is also a great indicator of the ability of the posters ability to deal with people who a) Might not have the same level of experience, b) may have a different opinion or c) may not be able to communicate as c

Re: openssl & FC4 (was Re: FW: [SLUG] Fedora Core 5)

2006-03-21 Thread David Gillies
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 O Plameras wrote: > David Gillies wrote: > >>-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- >>Hash: SHA1 >> >>O Plameras wrote: >> >> >>>I tried to install OpenSSL-0.9.8a in FC 4. But there are far too many >>>packages that rely on OpenSSL-0.9.7f that comes wit

Re: openssl & FC4 (was Re: FW: [SLUG] Fedora Core 5)

2006-03-21 Thread O Plameras
David Gillies wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 O Plameras wrote: I tried to install OpenSSL-0.9.8a in FC 4. But there are far too many packages that rely on OpenSSL-0.9.7f that comes with FC4. It's not worth my effort chasing rainbows. openssl in FC4 is patched as

Re: FW: [SLUG] Fedora Core 5

2006-03-21 Thread James Purser
> RTFM means "READ THE FUJITSU MANUAL" if you don't know.. > It is also a great indicator of the ability of the posters ability to deal with people who a) Might not have the same level of experience, b) may have a different opinion or c) may not be able to communicate as clearly. The sooner RTFM i

Re: FW: [SLUG] Fedora Core 5

2006-03-21 Thread Jamie Wilkinson
This one time, at band camp, O Plameras wrote: >Jeff Waugh wrote: >> >> >> >>>You know what to do. RTFM. >>> >> >>Please don't *ever* say "RTFM" on SLUG. Particularly when you're spouting >>broken advice. >> >What advise do you mean. > >RTFM means "READ THE FUJITSU MANUAL" if you don't know

Re: [SLUG] Sound Recording - not

2006-03-21 Thread Bruce Badger
On 22/03/06, James Purser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I'd like to record some sound on my venerable Thinkpad T21 which is > > running Debian sarge. > Have you tried Audacity yet? I hadn't. Nor Sweep. But I have tried both now, and neither of those will record from the mic either. :-( Thanks

Re: openssl & FC4 (was Re: FW: [SLUG] Fedora Core 5)

2006-03-21 Thread James Purser
> openssl in FC4 is patched as openssl 0.9.7f (which was released for FC4 > when the vulnerability was announced last year) contains the same > security fix as openssl 0.9.8a. > > http://www.openssl.org/news/secadv_20051011.txt > http://lwn.net/Alerts/155824/ And of course, the really stupid thing

Re: FW: [SLUG] Fedora Core 5

2006-03-21 Thread O Plameras
Jeff Waugh wrote: You know what to do. RTFM. Please don't *ever* say "RTFM" on SLUG. Particularly when you're spouting broken advice. What advise do you mean. RTFM means "READ THE FUJITSU MANUAL" if you don't know.. O Plameras -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List -

Re: [SLUG] Sound Recording - not

2006-03-21 Thread James Purser
> I'd like to record some sound on my venerable Thinkpad T21 which is > running Debian sarge. > > I can hear sound picked up from the microphone through the onboard > speakers or via headphones. I can control the volume of the mic using > the Gnome volume control and Alsa mixer. I can also mute

Re: FW: [SLUG] Fedora Core 5

2006-03-21 Thread Jeff Waugh
> You know what to do. RTFM. Please don't *ever* say "RTFM" on SLUG. Particularly when you're spouting broken advice. - Jeff -- FISL 7.0: Porto Alegre, Brazilhttp://fisl.softwarelivre.org/7.0/www/ I must be getting old... Buying toothpaste with gel in it is no longer

[SLUG] Sound Recording - not

2006-03-21 Thread Bruce Badger
I'd like to record some sound on my venerable Thinkpad T21 which is running Debian sarge. I can hear sound picked up from the microphone through the onboard speakers or via headphones. I can control the volume of the mic using the Gnome volume control and Alsa mixer. I can also mute and un-mute

openssl & FC4 (was Re: FW: [SLUG] Fedora Core 5)

2006-03-21 Thread David Gillies
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 O Plameras wrote: > I tried to install OpenSSL-0.9.8a in FC 4. But there are far too many > packages that rely on OpenSSL-0.9.7f that comes with FC4. It's > not worth my effort chasing rainbows. openssl in FC4 is patched as openssl 0.9.7f (which was

Re: FW: [SLUG] Fedora Core 5

2006-03-21 Thread O Plameras
Matthew Hannigan wrote: On Wed, Mar 22, 2006 at 01:14:28PM +1100, O Plameras wrote: Due to security inadequacy. Details man! Details! The details are in www.openssl.org. You know what to do. RTFM. O Plameras -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.

Re: FW: [SLUG] Fedora Core 5

2006-03-21 Thread Matthew Hannigan
On Wed, Mar 22, 2006 at 01:14:28PM +1100, O Plameras wrote: > > Due to security inadequacy. Details man! Details! -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html

Re: FW: [SLUG] Fedora Core 5

2006-03-21 Thread O Plameras
Matthew Hannigan wrote: On Wed, Mar 22, 2006 at 12:59:27PM +1100, O Plameras wrote: Are you saying there's a security fix that is not going to be released in fedora4?! I don't know. I'll take that as a NO then. Which makes the rest of your message a little baffling. Why

Re: FW: [SLUG] Fedora Core 5

2006-03-21 Thread Matthew Hannigan
On Wed, Mar 22, 2006 at 12:59:27PM +1100, O Plameras wrote: > >Are you saying there's a security fix that is not > >going to be released in fedora4?! > > I don't know. I'll take that as a NO then. Which makes the rest of your message a little baffling. > I tried to install OpenSSL-0.9.8a in FC

Re: FW: [SLUG] Fedora Core 5

2006-03-21 Thread O Plameras
Matthew Hannigan wrote: On Wed, Mar 22, 2006 at 11:52:49AM +1100, O Plameras wrote: There's one big reason why I'd like to deploy Fedora Core 5. It's got OpenSSL-0.9.8a containing major security fix. !?! Are you saying there's a security fix that is not going to be released in fedor

Re: FW: [SLUG] Fedora Core 5

2006-03-21 Thread Matthew Hannigan
On Wed, Mar 22, 2006 at 11:52:49AM +1100, O Plameras wrote: > There's one big reason why I'd like to deploy Fedora Core 5. It's got > OpenSSL-0.9.8a > containing major security fix. !?! Are you saying there's a security fix that is not going to be released in fedora4?! -- SLUG - Sydney Linu

Re: [SLUG] recursively chmod directories ONLY

2006-03-21 Thread Matthew Hannigan
On Wed, Mar 22, 2006 at 11:22:16AM +1100, Jamie Wilkinson wrote: > > Your find commands are either redundant or broken :) Most find commands are broken. The chance of a someone writing a reasonably complex but correct find command after reading, say, just the man page are pretty close to zero.

Re: [SLUG] [chat] NFS Shares.

2006-03-21 Thread cmyers
Oops sorry must have replied all to the wrong one sorry about that :( And yes it seems it was a portmap issue ;) > This one time, at band camp, cmyers wrote: >>Just a quick question, I have read many faqs about why an NFS share >>would take forever to mount and they all suggest that there is a

[SLUG] Oh dear, darling, your slip is showing...

2006-03-21 Thread Howard Lowndes
Windows Vista delayed into January 2007 http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20060321-6433.html "Microsoft's Windows Vista operating system has been beset with another delay. After clearly pinpointing the holiday season of 2006 for launch, the company has now revised their prim

Re: [SLUG] HW exp with Dec Alpha Servers?

2006-03-21 Thread Terry Collins
Jamie Wilkinson wrote: >> You might try testing output voltages on the PSU and making sure they're >> consistent with the documentation you found (assuming that you get that >> information in those docs). It is looking that way. Currently I am trying to see what other sources are avialable of sp

Re: [SLUG] recursively chmod directories ONLY

2006-03-21 Thread Jeff Waugh
> > find -type d | xargs chmod 644 > > This is almost always wrong because people put whitespace in filenames. Use > the null separator argument to find and xargs: > > find snuh -type d -print0 | xargs -0 chmod 3777 Excellent point. Though I do have a policy of mandatory evisceration wher

Re: FW: [SLUG] Fedora Core 5

2006-03-21 Thread O Plameras
Mr A Tomlinson wrote: I pulled all 5 cd iso's and the 75mb rescue cd iso yesterday from the optusnet mirror at full adsl speed (approx 150kb/s on 1.5m/256 adsl). On my home connection using 512/128 adsl I'm still waiting for the DVD ISO over bit torrent. At 8:00 am (+24 hours on torrent) this mo

Re: [SLUG] [chat] NFS Shares.

2006-03-21 Thread Cowboy Jaq
This one time, at band camp, cmyers wrote: >Just a quick question, I have read many faqs about why an NFS share >would take forever to mount and they all suggest that there is a dns >problem when so i use the IP to avoid the possibility of that problem. Whenever I have a NFS share taking ages to m

Re: [SLUG] recursively chmod directories ONLY

2006-03-21 Thread Jamie Wilkinson
This one time, at band camp, Jeff Waugh wrote: > > >> Erik's solution works but I'm sorry Jeff your's didn't, >> unless i've missed something. > >I hope you didn't use +rws, as that was only an example. The actual command >you're looking for is: > > find -type d | xargs chmod 644 This is almost

Re: [SLUG] recursively chmod directories ONLY

2006-03-21 Thread Jamie Wilkinson
This one time, at band camp, Erik de Castro Lopo wrote: >For the directories use something like: > > find -type d -exec chmod 755 {} \; > >and for the files: > > find -type f -exec chmod 755 {} \; > >while you are there, you might want to read the find man page ; >find has lots of interesting

Re: [SLUG] HW exp with Dec Alpha Servers?

2006-03-21 Thread Jamie Wilkinson
This one time, at band camp, Terry Collins wrote: >James Gray wrote: > >> Other reasons why Alpha's wont workwell, that would require them to at >> least have power. >> >> Not much help, but what does "dead in the water" really mean in this case? > >Okay, both machines have done at least 10 y

Re: FW: [SLUG] Fedora Core 5

2006-03-21 Thread Michael Fox
On 3/22/06, Mr A Tomlinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I pulled all 5 cd iso's and the 75mb rescue cd iso yesterday from the > optusnet mirror at full adsl speed (approx 150kb/s on 1.5m/256 adsl). > > On my home connection using 512/128 adsl I'm still waiting for the DVD > ISO over bit torrent.

FW: [SLUG] Fedora Core 5

2006-03-21 Thread Mr A Tomlinson
I pulled all 5 cd iso's and the 75mb rescue cd iso yesterday from the optusnet mirror at full adsl speed (approx 150kb/s on 1.5m/256 adsl). On my home connection using 512/128 adsl I'm still waiting for the DVD ISO over bit torrent. At 8:00 am (+24 hours on torrent) this morning it was about 68%

Re: [SLUG] Fedora Core 5

2006-03-21 Thread Del
I have the DVD ISO. I guess I must have gotten in early. bittorrent with this thing has never worked for me, I just grabbed it off a nearby mirror. I will burn a few copies and have them available at LWE next week if anyone wants one. Of course you might also ask the ELX guys, they may have c

Re: [SLUG] Fedora Core 5

2006-03-21 Thread O Plameras
Linley Caetan wrote: Oscar Why do your emails come through with tomorrows date? It was my TIMEZONE. That's been fixed. Thanks, anyway. Linley Caetan JAGAR Level 1, 60 Carrington Street Sydney, NSW 2000 Tel: (02) 8221-0745 Fax: (02) 8221-0750 Mob: (04) 2442-4262 ([EMAIL PROTECTED])

Re: [SLUG] Fedora Core 5

2006-03-21 Thread Linley Caetan
Title: Re: [SLUG] Fedora Core 5 Oscar Why do your emails come through with tomorrows date? Linley Caetan JAGAR Level 1, 60 Carrington Street Sydney, NSW  2000 Tel: (02) 8221-0745 Fax: (02) 8221-0750 Mob: (04) 2442-4262 ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) -- No virus found in this outgoing mess

Re: [SLUG] [chat] NFS Shares.

2006-03-21 Thread Ian Wienand
On Tue, Mar 21, 2006 at 08:25:04PM +1100, cmyers wrote: > Im mounting 5 drives (it takes between 5 - 10 minutes) to mount all the > drives. > > Is there something else I should be looking at? or doing? to get them to > mount quicker? Are you sure you're not loosing packets? I've seen issues wher

[SLUG] [chat] NFS Shares.

2006-03-21 Thread cmyers
Just a quick question, I have read many faqs about why an NFS share would take forever to mount and they all suggest that there is a dns problem when so i use the IP to avoid the possibility of that problem. The entry in my exports file is /mnt/drive1 192.168.0.123/255.255.255.0(rw) The entry i

Re: [SLUG] Fedora Core 5

2006-03-21 Thread O Plameras
Howard Lowndes wrote: I'm now up to 37% pulled in but my download speed has fallen to about half of my saturation level and I currently have .56 upload ratio. It's projecting another 44 hours... You're right. It's taking forever. And it's going to be even slower as the word gets around for t

Re: [SLUG] Fedora Core 5

2006-03-21 Thread Howard Lowndes
I'm now up to 37% pulled in but my download speed has fallen to about half of my saturation level and I currently have .56 upload ratio. It's projecting another 44 hours... O Plameras wrote: Howard Lowndes wrote: Yep, I've had a torrent running since this morning, currently just under 25% b

Re: [SLUG] recursively chmod directories ONLY

2006-03-21 Thread Matthew Hannigan
On Tue, Mar 21, 2006 at 10:43:35PM +1100, Erik de Castro Lopo wrote: > Ooop, sorry, you are right. We should do our best to maintain > standards :-). I liked your deliberate error, keeps us on our toes: > > and for the files: > > find -type f -exec chmod 755 {} \;

Re: [SLUG] Fedora Core 5

2006-03-21 Thread Matthew Hannigan
On Tue, Mar 21, 2006 at 12:45:48PM +1100, O Plameras wrote: > > Hi Sluggers, > > Just letting any interested sluggers to know that Fedora Core 5 has been > released > today (our time), about 8 hours ago. Yeah, looking forward to it, especially xen3, mono, gfs ... Release notes here: http://fedo

Re: [SLUG] Fedora Core 5

2006-03-21 Thread Howard Lowndes
Yep, I've had a torrent running since this morning, currently just under 25% but it took a while to get up near saturation speed on my download. I saw that the extras were available 24 hours earlier so I have already pulled them into my repo. O Plameras wrote: Hi Sluggers, Just letting an

Re: [SLUG] Fedora Core 5

2006-03-21 Thread O Plameras
Howard Lowndes wrote: Yep, I've had a torrent running since this morning, currently just under 25% but it took a while to get up near saturation speed on my download. I saw that the extras were available 24 hours earlier so I have already pulled them into my repo. The download is somewhat

Re: [SLUG] HW exp with Dec Alpha Servers?

2006-03-21 Thread Terry Collins
James Gray wrote: > Other reasons why Alpha's wont workwell, that would require them to at > least have power. > > Not much help, but what does "dead in the water" really mean in this case? Okay, both machines have done at least 10 years in Australia and haven't left the country since arri

Re: [SLUG] recursively chmod directories ONLY

2006-03-21 Thread Erik de Castro Lopo
Jeff Waugh wrote: > > > > > for every directory found. Use xargs. :-) > > > > If you want to complicate matters :-) > > find's "{} \;" crackrock vs. xargs ... COMPLICATES matters?! > > You are staining SLUG's proud history of shell-fu. ;-) Ooop, sorry, you are right. We should do our best to

Re: [SLUG] recursively chmod directories ONLY

2006-03-21 Thread Jeff Waugh
> > for every directory found. Use xargs. :-) > > If you want to complicate matters :-) find's "{} \;" crackrock vs. xargs ... COMPLICATES matters?! You are staining SLUG's proud history of shell-fu. ;-) - Jeff -- GUADEC 2006: Vilanova i la Geltrú, Spainhttp://2006.guadec.org/

Re: [SLUG] recursively chmod directories ONLY

2006-03-21 Thread Ben Donohue
Ahhh yes that's it. My apologies! I /was /missing something... late in the day etc., etc. anyway it works now. Thanks again, Ben (I shall read up on find and xargs commands too.) Jeff Waugh wrote: Erik's solution works but I'm sorry Jeff your's didn't, unless i've missed something.

Re: [SLUG] recursively chmod directories ONLY

2006-03-21 Thread Erik de Castro Lopo
Jeff Waugh wrote: > > > >find -type d -exec chmod 755 {} \; > > That runs chmod separately Yeah, I know, but if I need to do it once every couple of months, who cares. > for every directory found. Use xargs. :-) If you want to complicate matters :-) Erik -- +

Re: [SLUG] recursively chmod directories ONLY

2006-03-21 Thread Jeff Waugh
> Erik's solution works but I'm sorry Jeff your's didn't, > unless i've missed something. I hope you didn't use +rws, as that was only an example. The actual command you're looking for is: find -type d | xargs chmod 644 Where is nothing for the current directory, or a path to another direc

Re: [SLUG] recursively chmod directories ONLY

2006-03-21 Thread Ben Donohue
Thanks Erik, Jeff Erik's solution works but I'm sorry Jeff your's didn't, unless i've missed something. I'm using CentOS 4.2 Ben Erik de Castro Lopo wrote: Ben Donohue wrote: Hi Slugs, I'm still working on this but any quick help i'll welcome. how do you recursively chmod directories on

Re: [SLUG] recursively chmod directories ONLY

2006-03-21 Thread Jeff Waugh
>find -type d -exec chmod 755 {} \; That runs chmod separately for every directory found. Use xargs. :-) - Jeff -- FISL 7.0: Porto Alegre, Brazilhttp://fisl.softwarelivre.org/7.0/www/ "Spanish Flu, the epidemic that killed 50 million people in 1918/9, was known

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