[SLUG] Fedora - Advancing with Gnome

2013-04-12 Thread David Lyon
I know there are Fedora lovers on the list. This might be something you guys already know but for others it might be interesting reading: - http://worldofgnome.org/fedora-19-chasing-the-perfect-gnome-distro/ -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info

Re: [SLUG] Fedora 14 and NVIDIA driver

2011-02-04 Thread meryl
Hi Lee, Ditto what Brett says, the Fedora package is definitely a recommended option - if your system works well without the Nvidia driver it will save you a lot of stuffing around at each and every kernel upgrade. As for me (Ubuntu) I had no other option; X freezes without the GeForce GT 230M N

Re: [SLUG] Fedora 14 and NVIDIA driver

2011-02-04 Thread darrin hodges
Hi Lee, Normally nVidia provides a file such as 'NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-260.19.21.run', all you need to do (as root) on a console (runlevel 3) is do 'sh ./NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-260.19.21.run' and follow the prompts. You may also need the kernel development packages. etc. It will also update your X co

[SLUG] Fedora 14 and NVIDIA driver

2011-02-04 Thread Lee Isaacson
Hi all, I hope that someone can help me. How do I install the proprietory drivers from the NVIDIA web-site on Fedora 14? Regards, Lee Isaacson -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html

Re: [SLUG] fedora 13 qemu guest (Peter Miller)

2010-09-07 Thread Daniel Pittman
Brett Mahar writes: >> I'm trying to use qemu to host a Fedora 13 guest. > > On that note, be aware there are vast differences in the speed of > applications running on qemu virtual machines, depending on the host > system. Eg, BOINC on Debian or Suse running inside a virtual machine, with > an U

[SLUG] fedora 13 qemu guest (Peter Miller)

2010-09-07 Thread Brett Mahar
> > I'm trying to use qemu to host a Fedora 13 guest. > On that note, be aware there are vast differences in the speed of applications running on qemu virtual machines, depending on the host system. Eg, BOINC on Debian or Suse running inside a virtual machine, with an Ubuntu 10.04 host is about 10

Re: [SLUG] fedora 13 qemu guest

2010-09-07 Thread Peter Miller
On Tue, 2010-09-07 at 20:06 +1000, pe...@chubb.wattle.id.au wrote: > > "Peter" == Peter Miller writes: > > Peter> Hi Folks, I'm slowly going crazy trying to use Fedora 13 (I > Peter> need to fix some build problems for one of my packages). > > Peter> I'm trying to use qemu to host a Fedora 1

Re: [SLUG] fedora 13 qemu guest

2010-09-07 Thread peter
> "peter" == peter writes: > "Peter" == Peter Miller writes: Peter> Hi Folks, I'm slowly going crazy trying to use Fedora 13 (I Peter> need to fix some build problems for one of my packages). Peter> I'm trying to use qemu to host a Fedora 13 guest. Peter> Attempt 1: The Fedora 13 i68

Re: [SLUG] fedora 13 qemu guest

2010-09-07 Thread peter
> "Peter" == Peter Miller writes: Peter> Hi Folks, I'm slowly going crazy trying to use Fedora 13 (I Peter> need to fix some build problems for one of my packages). Peter> I'm trying to use qemu to host a Fedora 13 guest. Peter> Attempt 1: The Fedora 13 i686 Live CD boots OK, but fumbles th

Re: [SLUG] fedora 13 qemu guest

2010-09-07 Thread Jake Anderson
On 07/09/10 16:59, Peter Miller wrote: Hi Folks, I'm slowly going crazy trying to use Fedora 13 (I need to fix some build problems for one of my packages). I'm trying to use qemu to host a Fedora 13 guest. Attempt 1: The Fedora 13 i686 Live CD boots OK, but fumbles the ball when it comes to a

[SLUG] fedora 13 qemu guest

2010-09-07 Thread Peter Miller
Hi Folks, I'm slowly going crazy trying to use Fedora 13 (I need to fix some build problems for one of my packages). I'm trying to use qemu to host a Fedora 13 guest. Attempt 1: The Fedora 13 i686 Live CD boots OK, but fumbles the ball when it comes to actually mounting the Live root image. DO

Re: [SLUG] Fedora KDE audio capture problem

2010-03-09 Thread james
On Wednesday 10 March 2010 07:55:10 slug-requ...@slug.org.au wrote: > Now, I manage to get the mic going with the digital capture, but it is > all noisy and as far from as good as with the analog input I used > previously. I adjust the audio settings with alsamixer. [snip] It sounds as if you have

Re: [SLUG] Fedora KDE audio capture problem

2010-03-09 Thread james
On Wednesday 10 March 2010 07:55:10 slug-requ...@slug.org.au wrote: > Hi guys, > > I'm trying to get skype going in Fedora 12 KDE x86_64 (fully updated). > I did some testing with and without the pulseaudio server installed. > With the pulseaudio, I didn't manage at all. I know I got it working >

Re: [SLUG] Fedora KDE audio capture problem

2010-03-09 Thread steven bellens
Hey Ben, 2010/3/10 Ben Donohue : > Hi Steven, > > I've missed your first post but anyway... > > You could try a live CD disro like Knoppix which may find your sound card > and auto load all the drivers. You could test it working. > If it works then that is a start in that you know that you CAN get

Re: [SLUG] Fedora KDE audio capture problem

2010-03-09 Thread Ben Donohue
Hi Steven, I've missed your first post but anyway... You could try a live CD disro like Knoppix which may find your sound card and auto load all the drivers. You could test it working. If it works then that is a start in that you know that you CAN get it working and the hardware is OK. Then so

Re: [SLUG] Fedora KDE audio capture problem

2010-03-09 Thread steven bellens
Hey guys, 2010/3/10 Ken Foskey : > On Wed, 2010-03-10 at 00:22 +0100, steven bellens wrote: >> Hey Daryl, >> >> probably something similar here, however the solution you suggest >> doesn't have the right result here. I created this file with your >> suggested settings, but still I'm unable to get

Re: [SLUG] Fedora KDE audio capture problem

2010-03-09 Thread Ken Foskey
On Wed, 2010-03-10 at 00:22 +0100, steven bellens wrote: > Hey Daryl, > > probably something similar here, however the solution you suggest > doesn't have the right result here. I created this file with your > suggested settings, but still I'm unable to get any input from my > microphone. Any sugg

Re: [SLUG] Fedora KDE audio capture problem

2010-03-09 Thread steven bellens
Hey Daryl, probably something similar here, however the solution you suggest doesn't have the right result here. I created this file with your suggested settings, but still I'm unable to get any input from my microphone. Any suggestions how to trace down the problem? best regards, Steven 2010/3

Re: [SLUG] Fedora KDE audio capture problem

2010-03-09 Thread Daryl Thompson
Steve about 3 months ago i hand a similar problem with my fedora 12 on my Compaq CQ61 That is i had no internal speaker at all and could not configure the output and input with skype. I created '/etc/modprobe.d/sound.conf' with the following setting options snd slots=snd-hda-intel options snd-h

[SLUG] Fedora KDE audio capture problem

2010-03-09 Thread steven bellens
Hi guys, I'm trying to get skype going in Fedora 12 KDE x86_64 (fully updated). I did some testing with and without the pulseaudio server installed. With the pulseaudio, I didn't manage at all. I know I got it working before _without_ pulseaudio, but after a yum update the pulseaudio got reinstall

Re: [SLUG] Fedora netinst?

2008-05-10 Thread Glen Turner
> Geez, I have been spoilt. I've been doing Debian net installs > for what must be close to a decade. Give it a break. Distributions have their strengths and weaknesses, otherwise we'd all use the One Distro to Rule Them All. > Unable to read package metadata. This may be > due to a mis

Re: [SLUG] Fedora netinst?

2008-05-10 Thread Erik de Castro Lopo
James Rogers wrote: > Try setting > 'export http_proxy=http://192.168.65.253:8080' > once you have a shell (ie press CTRL-ALt-F1/2/3) when the installer has begun. Ok, proxy problem solved using another method, but now I get an error: Unable to read package metadata. This may be due to a

Re: [SLUG] Fedora netinst?

2008-05-09 Thread James Rogers
Try killing the installer then setting 'export http_proxy=http://192.168.65.253:8080' then running the installer Regards James 2008/5/10 Erik de Castro Lopo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Hi Glen, > > Thanks for the response. > > Glen Turner wrote: > >> You can bodgy it. Set up a transparent proxy and re

Re: [SLUG] Fedora netinst?

2008-05-09 Thread James Rogers
Try setting 'export http_proxy=http://192.168.65.253:8080' once you have a shell (ie press CTRL-ALt-F1/2/3) when the installer has begun. Regards James 2008/5/9 Erik de Castro Lopo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > James Rogers wrote: > >> As per >> http://docs.fedoraproject.org/install-guide/f7/en_US/sn-in

Re: [SLUG] Fedora netinst?

2008-05-09 Thread Erik de Castro Lopo
Hi Glen, Thanks for the response. Glen Turner wrote: > You can bodgy it. Set up a transparent proxy and re-write > the URLs the use the explicit proxy. That sounds like a bit of a hassle. > Plan B is simply to download the whole thing to somewhere > local using wget and run a HTTP server from

Re: [SLUG] Fedora netinst?

2008-05-09 Thread Glen Turner
On Fri, 2008-05-09 at 22:09 +1000, Erik de Castro Lopo wrote: > Can fedora do a net install via a proxy? No. It's supposedly going to be half-there in Fedora 8 (proxying will work from stage 2 of the install onwards). You can bodgy it. Set up a transparent proxy and re-write the URLs the use the

Re: [SLUG] Fedora netinst?

2008-05-09 Thread Erik de Castro Lopo
James Rogers wrote: > As per > http://docs.fedoraproject.org/install-guide/f7/en_US/sn-install-tcpip-config.html > > Find a mirror > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mirrors > > put > /7/Fedora/architecture/os/ > on the end of it > > Where I presume 7 refers to the release so change that to match

Re: [SLUG] Fedora netinst?

2008-05-09 Thread James Rogers
As per http://docs.fedoraproject.org/install-guide/f7/en_US/sn-install-tcpip-config.html Find a mirror http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mirrors put /7/Fedora/architecture/os/ on the end of it Where I presume 7 refers to the release so change that to match the release you want. Regards James 2008/5

Re: [SLUG] Fedora netinst?

2008-05-09 Thread Erik de Castro Lopo
Peter Hardy wrote: > What you want is the "minimal boot media". Thats a 9 Meg ISO. Its a "minimal boot media" not "minimal install media". I've reached a step which it says : Please enter the following information: - the name or IP address of your web server - Fedora directory

Re: [SLUG] Fedora netinst?

2008-05-08 Thread Peter Hardy
Hey hey. On Thu, 2008-05-08 at 21:48 +1000, Erik de Castro Lopo wrote: > I want to install Fedora in a qemu VM for testing purposes. Since > I'm after a pretty mininal install I'm looking for something like > the 150Meg Debian netinst images, but all I can seem to find is > 3+ Gig ISOs and rescue

[SLUG] Fedora netinst?

2008-05-08 Thread Erik de Castro Lopo
Hi all, I want to install Fedora in a qemu VM for testing purposes. Since I'm after a pretty mininal install I'm looking for something like the 150Meg Debian netinst images, but all I can seem to find is 3+ Gig ISOs and rescue images. Is there such a thing as a small Fedora ISO image? Cheers, Er

Re: Fwd: [SLUG] Fedora 7 Ethernet Issues FIX

2008-03-27 Thread Sonia Hamilton
On Mon, 2008-03-24 at 17:18 +1100, D.V.Rogers wrote: > As of 27 May 2007, in kernel 2.6.21.3, you may experience the issues > with the r8169 driver if you dual boot Windows on some systems. > Windows by defaults disables the NIC at Windows shutdown time in order > to disable Wake-On-Lan, and th

Fwd: [SLUG] Fedora 7 Ethernet Issues FIX

2008-03-23 Thread D . V . Rogers
Thanks Michael for your reply. After poking around google I found the FIX http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=139541 As of 27 May 2007, in kernel 2.6.21.3, you may experience the issues with the r8169 driver if you dual boot Windows on some systems. Windows by defaults disables

Re: [SLUG] Fedora 7 Ethernet Issues

2008-03-23 Thread Michael Chesterton
On 24/03/2008, at 3:09 PM, D.V.Rogers wrote: Fedora does not recognise the Ethernet Card. It knows the eth0 is their but asks me to check the connection... I have tested this as it works fine with XP using DHCP. It is strange as I have set up dual boot boxes before using FC7 and XP with No probl

[SLUG] Fedora 7 Ethernet Issues

2008-03-23 Thread D . V . Rogers
Hello Sluggers Happy Easter! I am having problems getting my Ethernet Card to work with Fedora 7. FC7 is dual booting with Windows XP, both installed on separate drives Using the standard default partition it installed just fine, it is dualbooting no problem. Fedora does not recognise the Etherne

Re: [SLUG] Fedora boot menu

2007-10-09 Thread Sonia Hamilton
On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 08:06:40 +0200 (SAST), [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: > Hi all, > > Sorry to bother you all again. > > I am using Fedora 7 and I am dual booting with Windows XP. Is there a way > for Fedora to show the grub boot menu list without you pressing a key > first for the boot menu to show?

[SLUG] Fedora boot menu

2007-10-09 Thread leei
Hi all, Sorry to bother you all again. I am using Fedora 7 and I am dual booting with Windows XP. Is there a way for Fedora to show the grub boot menu list without you pressing a key first for the boot menu to show? Thanks, Lee --- South Africas premier

Re: [SLUG] fedora 6 and epson scanner

2007-04-11 Thread John Clarke
On Wed, Apr 11, 2007 at 08:31:41 +1000, Craig Warner wrote: Hi Craig, > Can someone point out what I need to do? I don't know how FC6 differs from Ubuntu, but in the hope that it's similar enough that it'll just work, here's all I had to do to get an Epson scanner working on Ubuntu (dapper):

[SLUG] fedora 6 and epson scanner

2007-04-11 Thread Craig Warner
I'm trying to setup a epson scanner (Bus 004 Device 002: ID 04b8:011f Seiko Epson Corp. Perfection 1670) on Fedora Core 6 and allow network scanning. The problem I'm having is understanding the linux.readme http://www.sane-project.org/README.linux, in particular the bit about udev rules. Can some

Re: [SLUG] Fedora Core repositories

2007-03-02 Thread Del
Howard Lowndes wrote: I am having occasional lockups downloading the FC repositories using: /usr/bin/lftp -c mirror --verbose=3 --continue --delete-first --exclude-glob *-debuginfo-* --exclude-glob debug/ --exclude-glob headers/ --exclude-glob repodata/ --exclude-glob *.html http://mirror.aar

Re: [SLUG] Fedora access and securtiy

2007-01-28 Thread jam
On Monday 29 January 2007 06:03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > This one time, at band camp, Sonia Hamilton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > This *is* the simple method. Once you've installed shorewall, you'll > > > only have to edit a few files in /etc/shorewall - probably these: > > > > I dont doub

Re: [SLUG] Fedora access and securtiy

2007-01-27 Thread Matthew Hannigan
On Sat, Jan 27, 2007 at 12:27:03AM +1100, Kevin Waterson wrote: > This one time, at band camp, Sonia Hamilton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > This *is* the simple method. Once you've installed shorewall, you'll > > only have to edit a few files in /etc/shorewall - probably these: > > I dont doub

Re: [SLUG] Fedora access and securtiy

2007-01-26 Thread Glen Turner
Kevin Waterson wrote: > Hi gang, > I have a fedora machine running a few services > httpd, ftpd, sshd rsync dns > When I connected to Bigpond cable, I could not access the machine. > Access was denied for all the above services. > > So, I disabled the firewall using system-config-securitylevel-tui

Re: [SLUG] Fedora access and securtiy

2007-01-26 Thread jam
On Saturday 27 January 2007 08:37, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Hi gang, > > I have a fedora machine running a few services > > httpd, ftpd, sshd rsync dns > > When I connected to Bigpond cable, I could not access the machine. > > Access was denied for all the above services. > > > > So, I disabled

Re: [SLUG] Fedora access and securtiy

2007-01-26 Thread Steve Lindsay
On 1/26/07, Sonia Hamilton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: * On Fri, Jan 26, 2007 at 08:38:45PM +1100, Kevin Waterson wrote: > > Thanks for that, but is there not a simple method to simply edit a file? This *is* the simple method. Once you've installed shorewall, you'll only have to edit a few files

Re: [SLUG] Fedora access and securtiy

2007-01-26 Thread Tony Sceats
you should start by looking at /etc/init.d/iptables this uses iptables-save and iptables-restore and saves rules in /etc/sysconfig/iptables if you're lucky the sysconfig file is already populated and you can just manipulate it directly, otherwise perhaps the easiest way would be to start the fir

Re: [SLUG] Fedora access and securtiy

2007-01-26 Thread Kevin Waterson
This one time, at band camp, Sonia Hamilton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This *is* the simple method. Once you've installed shorewall, you'll > only have to edit a few files in /etc/shorewall - probably these: I dont doubt that shorewall is a good product for this. But I would prefer to simply ed

Re: [SLUG] Fedora access and securtiy

2007-01-26 Thread Sonia Hamilton
* On Fri, Jan 26, 2007 at 08:38:45PM +1100, Kevin Waterson wrote: > This one time, at band camp, O Plameras <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Install shorewall (www.shorewall.net). Shorewall is an integrated > > wrapper to iptable that > > facilitates ease of configuration and maintainance of ip

Re: [SLUG] Fedora access and securtiy

2007-01-26 Thread Kevin Waterson
This one time, at band camp, O Plameras <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Install shorewall (www.shorewall.net). Shorewall is an integrated > wrapper to iptable that > facilitates ease of configuration and maintainance of ip filters. Thanks for that, but is there not a simple method to simply edit

Re: [SLUG] Fedora access and securtiy

2007-01-25 Thread O Plameras
Kevin Waterson wrote: Hi gang, I have a fedora machine running a few services httpd, ftpd, sshd rsync dns When I connected to Bigpond cable, I could not access the machine. Access was denied for all the above services. So, I disabled the firewall using system-config-securitylevel-tui as I have

[SLUG] Fedora access and securtiy

2007-01-25 Thread Kevin Waterson
Hi gang, I have a fedora machine running a few services httpd, ftpd, sshd rsync dns When I connected to Bigpond cable, I could not access the machine. Access was denied for all the above services. So, I disabled the firewall using system-config-securitylevel-tui as I have only ssh access to the r

[SLUG] Fedora 6 movies

2006-12-28 Thread john gibbons
Bingo Matt!! Your referral to http://www.fedoraforum.org/ worked. There is a thread there with detailed instructions. I tested the result with a protected movie and it ran without any problems. Also thanks to everyone else who offered suggestions. John. Matthew Hannigan wrote: Sorry John, I

Re: [SLUG] Fedora 6 movies

2006-12-26 Thread jam
On Wednesday 27 December 2006 07:54, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Libdvdcss is now installed but Kaffeine is telling me I do not have the > appropriate plugins to run protected movies. Any advice about what they > might be and where they are hiding to avoid my presence? > > John. > > Matthew Hannigan

Re: [SLUG] Fedora 6 movies

2006-12-26 Thread jam
On Wednesday 27 December 2006 07:54, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I am having no luck trying to download and install libdvdcss2. Anyone > done any better? If you goto http://packman.links2linux.de and get Install_libdvdcss2 It will download the necessary bits and build the rpm for you. Mail me if yo

[SLUG] Fedora 6 movies

2006-12-26 Thread john gibbons
Thanks Howard and Mathew. Libdvdcss is now installed but Kaffeine is telling me I do not have the appropriate plugins to run protected movies. Any advice about what they might be and where they are hiding to avoid my presence? John. Matthew Hannigan wrote: On Tue, Dec 26, 2006 at 12:52:01P

Re: [SLUG] Fedora 6 movies

2006-12-25 Thread Matthew Hannigan
On Tue, Dec 26, 2006 at 12:52:01PM +1100, john gibbons wrote: > I am having no luck trying to download and install libdvdcss2. Anyone > done any better? What have you tried? libdvdcss is in livna, and as far as I can tell, that's the same thing as libdvdcss2 rpm -ivh http://rpm.livna.or

[SLUG] Fedora 6 movies

2006-12-25 Thread john gibbons
I am having no luck trying to download and install libdvdcss2. Anyone done any better? John. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html

[SLUG] Fedora extras

2006-12-10 Thread john gibbons
Thanks to all - I will give it another shot. Oh for a one click download, one click install heaven! John. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html

[SLUG] Fedora virtualization under Debian

2006-11-17 Thread T Murray
G'day all, I've just installed QEMU virtualised XP Professional under Debian - works great. My question is it possible to virtualize fedora in QEMU. Im currently running Debian etch and studying for my LPI-102 exams so having Fedora avalible at a click (without logging out of my Debian distro)

[SLUG] Fedora 6 nfs mounts

2006-11-14 Thread tuxta2
Hi sluggers, I am an Ubuntu user working on a Fedora core 6 system and I am confused. I want a simple thing that happens by default on Ubuntu, I want my nfs mounts to appear on the Desktop and under the Computer icon. I have mounted an nfs directory under /media and also tried /mnt. I have sele

Re: [SLUG] Fedora Core 5 crashes on logon

2006-10-11 Thread Glen Turner
Christopher Martin wrote: Anywhere I should be looking to find what's causing the lock? I haven't used a Linux with X in about 7 years now so I am pretty much a newb in that respect, to the point I don't even know how to get a text shell instead of X. Boot standalone (give the "s" option at the

RE: [SLUG] Fedora Core 5 crashes on logon

2006-10-10 Thread Christopher Martin
ilto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, 11 October 2006 9:55 AM > To: Christopher Martin > Cc: slug@slug.org.au > Subject: Re: [SLUG] Fedora Core 5 crashes on logon > > Christopher Martin wrote: > > Anywhere I should be looking to find what's causing the lock? I haven't &

Re: [SLUG] Fedora Core 5 crashes on logon

2006-10-10 Thread David Gillies
Christopher Martin wrote: Anywhere I should be looking to find what's causing the lock? I haven't used a Linux with X in about 7 years now so I am pretty much a newb in that respect, to the point I don't even know how to get a text shell instead of X. CTRL+ALT+F1 It's a dual Xeon 2.2 GHz with

Re: [SLUG] Fedora Core 5 crashes on logon

2006-10-10 Thread jam
On Tuesday 10 October 2006 22:35, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I just installed Fedora Core 5 on a machine in the hopes of running up a > MythTV machine, and after the usual install wrestling, I get the OS on the > system, get through the last set of configuration options, logon for the > first time

[SLUG] Fedora Core 5 crashes on logon

2006-10-10 Thread Christopher Martin
I just installed Fedora Core 5 on a machine in the hopes of running up a MythTV machine, and after the usual install wrestling, I get the OS on the system, get through the last set of configuration options, logon for the first time and it hangs. No error, no core dump, a full system hang. I tried

[SLUG] Fedora Core 5 & usb.h problem

2006-03-28 Thread Howard Lowndes
Is anyone having problems with the struct usb_driver in usb.h I have had 3 situations where it is complaining about .owner One was when compiling zaptel for Asterisk, one was when compiling wlan-linux-ng and one was when compiling slmodemd I was able to over come the first two by altering the

Re: FW: [SLUG] Fedora Core 5

2006-03-24 Thread telford
On Wed, Mar 22, 2006 at 04:33:41PM +1100, Jamie Wilkinson wrote: > > SNUH. SLUG's Not Usenet. I hope not, because Usenet is pretty much dead after the spammers trashed it. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/m

Re: [SLUG] Fedora Core 5

2006-03-23 Thread Matthew Hannigan
On Fri, Mar 24, 2006 at 07:45:07AM +1100, O Plameras wrote: > This debate stems from the proposal by J. Waugh to ban the use of RTFM > in SLUG list group. We just want people to be nice. Let's be nice eh? -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscriptio

Re: [SLUG] Fedora Core 5

2006-03-23 Thread Matthew Hannigan
I don't know what you guys are talking about, but it isn't Fedora Core 5. Please change the subject. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html

Re: [SLUG] Fedora Core 5

2006-03-23 Thread O Plameras
Visser, Martin wrote: Huh? When did this thread become a debate on the definition of Free or Open Source Software? Hi Martin, This debate stems from the proposal by J. Waugh to ban the use of RTFM in SLUG list group. Banning is another way of saying Censoring the word RTFM. RTFM is a

RE: [SLUG] Fedora Core 5

2006-03-23 Thread Visser, Martin
r use the information in it. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bret Comstock Waldow Sent: Thursday, 23 March 2006 12:01 PM To: slug@slug.org.au Subject: Re: [SLUG] Fedora Core 5 On Thu, 23 Mar 2006 06:19, tuxta2 wrote: > Rather than try and d

Re: [SLUG] Fedora Core 5

2006-03-23 Thread O Plameras
Bret Comstock Waldow wrote: They didn't write the software they are using as the basis for their organization and their claim to authority. (Well, maybe some of them did - but then they GPL'd it.) I hadn't thought this through myself, but I'll have it in mind from now on. Hi Bret, I com

Re: [SLUG] Fedora Core 5

2006-03-22 Thread Bret Comstock Waldow
On Thu, 23 Mar 2006 17:28, tuxta2 wrote: > I find your comments interesting and thought provoking, however I > believe what you read was not what I wrote. My apologies for that. I was indeed writing to the "Royal" you - and not you personally. I was writing to the people who are thinking they

Re: [SLUG] Fedora Core 5

2006-03-22 Thread tuxta2
Bret Comstock Waldow wrote: On Thu, 23 Mar 2006 06:19, tuxta2 wrote: Rather than try and decide who is right and who is wrong on this issue, why don't we just understand that opinions vary, and why don't we find a term that essentially means the same thing, but does not have the insulting e

Re: [SLUG] Fedora Core 5

2006-03-22 Thread Bret Comstock Waldow
On Thu, 23 Mar 2006 06:19, tuxta2 wrote: > Rather than try and decide who is right and who is wrong on this issue, > why don't we just understand that opinions vary, and why don't we find a > term that essentially means the same thing, but does not have the > insulting effect? Implicit in this is

Re: [SLUG] Fedora Core 5

2006-03-22 Thread tuxta2
There really doesn't need to be another post on this discussion, but I just cant help myself, please feel free to delete this email without reading any further ... Still here? okay then here goes. Even from very early on in my journey to Linux enlightenment, (not too long ago) I have always f

Re: Community building and SLUG love [Was: [SLUG] Fedora Core 5]

2006-03-22 Thread Beren James Sanders
Why can't people just get along? It saddens my heart to see this kind of behaviour on a mailing list devoted to something which to some people is a real symbol for the potential advancement of humanity. There are too many problems in the world beyond our control to be creating more issues and ill

Re: [SLUG] Fedora Core 5

2006-03-22 Thread Ken Wilson
OK end of the day, everyone who wants to has had their say, opposing sides are unlikely to change their views, or get the last word in, time to stop. Ken -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html

Re: Community building and SLUG love [Was: [SLUG] Fedora Core 5]

2006-03-22 Thread Robert Collins
On Wed, 2006-03-22 at 20:34 +1100, Jeff Waugh wrote: ... > Maybe it's just four letters. But maybe it means a whole lot more. I think the community building aspect is what disturbs me about these mega oplamera threads. If it turns *me* off from reading the list, what is it doing to folk with less

Re: [SLUG] Fedora Core 5

2006-03-22 Thread Philip Greggs
On 3/22/06, Matthew Hannigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, Mar 22, 2006 at 07:31:07PM +1100, Philip Greggs wrote: > > > > I'm not subscribed to this list but followed the post on the WEB and > > I believe the RTFM retort was appropriate in the context. > > Then you're an idiot, because the q

Re: Not the place for RTFM [Was: [SLUG] Fedora Core 5]

2006-03-22 Thread Bret Comstock Waldow
On Wed, 22 Mar 2006 21:01, Jeff Waugh wrote: > > > > Nothing I read in his messages gave me reason to know that this was > > anything more official than a strongly held personal opinion, used as an > > attack. > > > > As for the committee's opinion, what about the membership's? Was this > > voted

Community building and SLUG love [Was: [SLUG] Fedora Core 5]

2006-03-22 Thread Jeff Waugh
> You can say how it is for you as much as you like - but you are definitely > not speaking for everyone, and I'm glad you're not speaking for most of > the people in my life. I do not purport to speak for everyone, despite hand-waving accusations to the contrary. However, I *am* speaking for th

Re: [SLUG] Fedora Core 5

2006-03-22 Thread Matthew Hannigan
On Wed, Mar 22, 2006 at 08:03:22PM +1100, Jeff Waugh wrote: > > > > On Wed, Mar 22, 2006 at 07:31:07PM +1100, Philip Greggs wrote: > > > I'm not subscribed to this list but followed the post on the WEB and I > > > believe the RTFM retort was appropriate in the context. > > > > Then you're an idi

Re: FW: [SLUG] Fedora Core 5

2006-03-22 Thread Bret Comstock Waldow
On Wed, 22 Mar 2006 20:10, Jeff Waugh wrote: > Much of the friendliness part of it comes from phrasing and > manner. "RTFM" is not friendly or helpful. > > Directing someone towards relevant documentation is a really good way of > helping. Telling them to read the fucking manual [1] is insulting.

Re: [SLUG] Fedora Core 5

2006-03-22 Thread Jeff Waugh
> On Wed, Mar 22, 2006 at 07:31:07PM +1100, Philip Greggs wrote: > > I'm not subscribed to this list but followed the post on the WEB and I > > believe the RTFM retort was appropriate in the context. > > Then you're an idiot, because the question was rhetorical. Calling people idiots on the lis

Re: Not the place for RTFM [Was: [SLUG] Fedora Core 5]

2006-03-22 Thread Jeff Waugh
> Nothing I read in his messages gave me reason to know that this was > anything more official than a strongly held personal opinion, used as an > attack. > > As for the committee's opinion, what about the membership's? Was this > voted on? That would be legitimate - but you haven't mentioned

Re: Not the place for RTFM [Was: [SLUG] Fedora Core 5]

2006-03-22 Thread Bret Comstock Waldow
On Wed, 22 Mar 2006 19:44, Lindsay Holmwood wrote: > On 3/22/06, O Plameras <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > You should just leave the policy making to the Slug Committee. Your time > > is over. > > Speaking on behalf of the committee, we side with Jeff's assessment of > proper etiquette on the Slug

Re: [SLUG] Fedora Core 5

2006-03-22 Thread Matthew Hannigan
On Wed, Mar 22, 2006 at 07:31:07PM +1100, Philip Greggs wrote: > > I'm not subscribed to this list but followed the post on the WEB and > I believe the RTFM retort was appropriate in the context. Then you're an idiot, because the question was rhetorical. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Ma

Re: [SLUG] Fedora Core 5

2006-03-22 Thread Philip Greggs
Bret wrote: >You go on to list a ranking of "how bad" this is, but don't say what/why you >would do instead. This is quite common in this lists. Criticisms and no alternative ideas. >My own view has been that with Free Software, it's really on the user to >voluntarily do their own work, asking w

Re: FW: [SLUG] Fedora Core 5

2006-03-22 Thread Jeff Waugh
> There may be times it's not appropriate to say 'RTFM' to some people, but > in this context I think he's writing to someone who knows his way around. > 'RTFM' IS the right thing to do in many cases - even for a newbie > (although that may not always be the right way to say it). Reading gets >

Re: FW: [SLUG] Fedora Core 5

2006-03-21 Thread Bret Comstock Waldow
On Wed, 22 Mar 2006 15:33, James Purser wrote: > It is also a great indicator of the ability of the posters ability to deal > with people who a) Might not have the same level of experience, b) may > have a different opinion or c) may not be able to communicate as clearly. > The sooner RTFM is trot

Re: Not the place for RTFM [Was: [SLUG] Fedora Core 5]

2006-03-21 Thread O Plameras
Lindsay Holmwood wrote: On 3/22/06, O Plameras <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: You should just leave the policy making to the Slug Committee. Your time is over. Speaking on behalf of the committee, we side with Jeff's assessment of proper etiquette on the Slug list. Lindsay OK. --

Re: Not the place for RTFM [Was: [SLUG] Fedora Core 5]

2006-03-21 Thread Lindsay Holmwood
On 3/22/06, O Plameras <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You should just leave the policy making to the Slug Committee. Your time > is over. Speaking on behalf of the committee, we side with Jeff's assessment of proper etiquette on the Slug list. Lindsay -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing Li

Re: Not the place for RTFM [Was: [SLUG] Fedora Core 5]

2006-03-21 Thread Erik de Castro Lopo
O Plameras wrote: > Jeff, I remember a few years back. You were President of SLUG and you > had to resign. You dropped > the ball unceremoniously and its time you let the Slug Committee run > SLUG. You really missed up. Bullshit. There are many times in life where a sudden change in circumstan

Re: FW: [SLUG] Fedora Core 5

2006-03-21 Thread Erik de Castro Lopo
O Plameras wrote: > You live in a bubble. You always say you speak for other people, as if > you are the only one who can express yourself and not the other persons. On the matter of RTFM I agree with Jeff and I hereby allow him to speak for me on the subject of RTFM. Erik -- +---

Re: FW: [SLUG] Fedora Core 5

2006-03-21 Thread James Purser
Old Chinese Proverb: Virginity Like Bubble, One Prick All Gone. Geez man give it a rest. Face the fact that people on this list who are not Jeff actually agree with him and move on with life. -- James Purser Producer/Presenter - Linux Australia Update http://k-sit.com - My Blog http://la-pod.k-s

Re: FW: [SLUG] Fedora Core 5

2006-03-21 Thread O Plameras
Jeff Waugh wrote: You live in a bubble. You always say you speak for other people, as if you are the only one who can express yourself and not the other persons. Funny how others have expressed the same thoughts on this thread, Oscar. It's not funny when others speak for themse

Re: Not the place for RTFM [Was: [SLUG] Fedora Core 5]

2006-03-21 Thread O Plameras
Jeff Waugh wrote: I'm pretty comfortable with my knowledge of online etiquette. I'm not so comfortable with your knowledge of SLUG's. Google tells me that there are over 5Mega Articles that disagrees with you. Oscar, over many years, we have adapted the culture of SLUG toward

Re: FW: [SLUG] Fedora Core 5

2006-03-21 Thread Jeff Waugh
> You live in a bubble. You always say you speak for other people, as if > you are the only one who can express yourself and not the other persons. Funny how others have expressed the same thoughts on this thread, Oscar. - Jeff -- FISL 7.0: Porto Alegre, Brazilhttp://fisl.softwarelivr

Re: FW: [SLUG] Fedora Core 5

2006-03-21 Thread Craige McWhirter
On Wed, 2006-03-22 at 17:51 +1100, O Plameras wrote: > You live in a bubble. You always say you speak for other people, as if > you are the only one who can express yourself and not the other persons. There are many people like myself, who are not speaking up because we concur with Jeff's senti

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