Cloud rendering (was: Autodesk acquires Solid Angle)

M To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: Autodesk acquires Solid Angle Fiber should be pretty cheap in most major cities by now, if not it will be soon. I think the most difficult part of cloud rendering is that unless you're on a service like Zync you really need a couple of pipe

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til Softimage 7.5, and we were then stuck on that release until Softimage 2013 SP1 because of all the show stopping issues in between. I know of other studios in similar boats. Some threw caution to the wind and pushed forward anyway only to later regret doing that. What Maya or anybody else does

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Ya Vancouver is quite small so laying fiber was, I think, much easier and cost effective than in other cities. How you are physically connected to the data center will drastically change how you approach cloud rendering. We're waiting for a new center to come online closer to us, even with the PoP

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San Francisco still struggles with fiber... why didn't 'Google Fiber' come here first? :) Many thousands of dollars per month... if you are using it or not. If they did metering like power bills maybe that cost wouldn't be so scary. We have played a little bit with Zync and talked directly with so

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We have needed to do just this, ship hard drives to and from our clients and it still sucks. 3 TB of data doesn't just come online instantly once it is in the building. But yea... scaling past your capacity is one of the major points for us too. It still has a cost that needs to be evaluated per s

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Fiber should be pretty cheap in most major cities by now, if not it will be soon. I think the most difficult part of cloud rendering is that unless you're on a service like Zync you really need a couple of pipeline/IT guys to work out your imaging, mounting and data transfer tech and strategies. T

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On Fri, Apr 22, 2016 at 4:09 PM, Steven Caron wrote: > Then some forget it isn't so much the upload of your assets, you can make > an extremely efficient scene to upload but downloading those 2k (now 4k) > exr sequences with many AOVs (don't forget about deep) can take much longer. I've heard o

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and I agree with you on cloud, I am actually not crazy about it either, but a lot of people see it as the right way to scale. The cost becomes cheaper for some but could be more expensive for others. When someone makes the case to use it they *tend* to leave out what I think is the biggest issue...

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Fair point about the patents of course, it is a no brainer. I mentioned cloud because it is a subject it keeps popping out, specially since the Solid Angle acquisition and from where I stand can only make sense if there is a degree of certainty on costs and a clear advantage on scalability, both

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I didn't see where Luc-Eric is claiming cloud rendering to be our saviors... he just points out how rendering on the cloud makes logical sense. The take away is those purchases don't have much to do with patents. On Fri, Apr 22, 2016 at 10:50 AM, Jordi Bares wrote: > Mmmm… I am not convinced at

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Agreed! I don't believe that narrative of consuming patents as a reason for purchasing Softimage. On Fri, Apr 22, 2016 at 10:41 AM, Luc-Eric Rousseau wrote: > > > I think all of this makes more sense than a story built around > mythical patent folios. > > -- Softimage Mailing List. To unsubsc

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Mmmm… I am not convinced at all Cloud is what is going to save the day, I think you got it wrong. jb > On 22 Apr 2016, at 18:41, Luc-Eric Rousseau wrote: > > Right now the press interviews are saying the Arnold acquisition will > help "accelerate the drive to the cloud" and that Arnold is "C

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Right now the press interviews are saying the Arnold acquisition will help "accelerate the drive to the cloud" and that Arnold is "Cloud Ready". http://tinyurl.com/jmvc7ke It's a perfectly logical explanation, rendering services is an obvious cloud service. For softimage, the actual text of the

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Pushing the topic back to the Solid Angle purchase... https://twitter.com/arnoldrenderer/status/723139036517261313 For me, when or if Marcos and his team stop publishing to SIGGRAPH and releasing papers without patenting first I will know Autodesk cares more about "patents" than the talent and pr

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didn't get any relief until XSI 7.5 was released 18 months later in March 2008. I think that's a better cause/effect explanation for the drop in jobs - customers were turned off by the instability and irresponsibility of a company claiming to be a market leader making such a release. Autode

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Just as everybody else, my comments are based on speculation synthesized from tidbits of info gathered before, during, and since the SI acquisition. Take that for what it's worth (Sorry if I am taking the thread too far off topic). Why did they buy SI? As with every other acquisition decision, it

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It makes sense for historians. -- guy rabiller | radfac founder | linkedin.com/in/guyrabiller On 22/04/16 01:35, Mario Reitbauer wrote: No real sense in discussing why Autodesk bought something or will buy something. They just did and will continue to do so. 2016-04-21 16:22 GMT-07:00 Guy

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You do not need to be in the business of licensing patents to benefit from acquiring some. First they don't get in your way anymore, second they get in the way of your concurrents, third they don't quit if they don't like what they see. Companies like Autodesk are quite sensitive about legal

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undetected is beyond me, but that's what happened. Matt Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2016 09:22:00 -0400 From: Luc-Eric Rousseau Subject: Re: Autodesk acquires Solid Angle To: "softimage@listproc.autodesk.com" On 21 April 2016 at 05:26, Matt Lind wrote: > So what happened to cause t

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Hi Maurice. Thats right. I remember it correctly now. From: Maurice Patel [maurice.pa...@autodesk.com] Sent: 21 April 2016 04:58 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: RE: Autodesk acquires Solid Angle I doubt it - issues with open source tend

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On Thu, Apr 21, 2016 at 10:58 AM, Maurice Patel wrote: > I doubt it - issues with open source tend to lie in the fact that products > often contain source code licensed from other companies or reused from > other products that would need to be extracted and replaced requiring > extensive rework a

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: Autodesk acquires Solid Angle *Sigh* I am very well aware of what a patent is, However it was one of the arguments raised when AD was backpedaling with such ferocity when they realized just how badly they had PR'ed Up. From: Luc-Eric Rousseau [l

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April 2016 03:27 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: Autodesk acquires Solid Angle On 21 April 2016 at 08:50, Angus Davidson wrote: > > Wasn’t patents the excuse AD used to not sell it / Open source it ? What? No. It looks like you don't understand what a patent

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@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: Autodesk acquires Solid Angle sry I mean 100% for artists On Thu, Apr 21, 2016 at 3:09 PM, Mirko Jankovic > wrote: it is fracion of AD's stream, but that software is 100% revenue from a lot of artist s that gets hit but their decisions... -- Mirko

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On 21 April 2016 at 08:50, Angus Davidson wrote: > > Wasn’t patents the excuse AD used to not sell it / Open source it ? What? No. It looks like you don't understand what a patent is. A patent is published and documented, it's not protected by hiding source code that implements it. It's protect

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On 21 April 2016 at 05:26, Matt Lind wrote: > So what happened to cause the numbers to drop significantly in 2008? > Hmmmlet me think...Oh, that's right, XSI v6.0 was released on the last > day in 2006 (call it 2007) - the biggest lemon and disaster in XSI's > history. Granted, cause of the p

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sry I mean 100% for artists On Thu, Apr 21, 2016 at 3:09 PM, Mirko Jankovic wrote: > it is fracion of AD's stream, but that software is 100% revenue from a lot > of artist s that gets hit but their decisions... > -- Mirko Jankovic *http://www.cgfolio.com/mirko-jankovic

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it is fracion of AD's stream, but that software is 100% revenue from a lot of artist s that gets hit but their decisions... -- Softimage Mailing List. To unsubscribe, send a mail to softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.com with "unsubscribe" in the subject, and reply to confirm.

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True, but you don’t become a big business and stay there , if you don’t care about the 3.5-4% From: christian [mailto:papag...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, 21 April 2016 3:07 PM To: XSILIST Subject: Re: Autodesk acquires Solid Angle autodesk is a huge company with a wide range of programs and

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> > *From:* Srecko Micic [mailto:srecko.mi...@gmail.com] > *Sent:* Thursday, 21 April 2016 2:51 PM > *To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com > *Cc:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com > *Subject:* Re: Autodesk acquires Solid Angle > > > > So at the end A

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a lot of firms that simply cannot afford to switch. Even if in the longer term it will be better, cheaper , faster etc. From: Mirko Jankovic [mailto:mirkoj.anima...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, 21 April 2016 3:01 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: Autodesk acquires Solid Angle

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kovic [mailto:mirkoj.anima...@gmail.com] > *Sent:* Thursday, 21 April 2016 2:53 PM > *To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com > *Subject:* Re: Autodesk acquires Solid Angle > > > > and looking at current tempo of actually making maya worth human > interaction it could be usefu

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PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: Autodesk acquires Solid Angle and looking at current tempo of actually making maya worth human interaction it could be usefull in how many decades? it wont even reach intuitive level of Softimage in years On Thu, Apr 21, 2016 at 2:51 PM

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We're still ok with it and I think we're doing some nice stuff with it considering we're not in the vfx/game space. But yeah, often it's like 'cmon guys, pick up the pace abit'. I wonder now that AD is subs based, if that will have any baring at all. On Wed, Apr 20, 2016 at 8:16 PM Greg Punchatz

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and looking at current tempo of actually making maya worth human interaction it could be usefull in how many decades? it wont even reach intuitive level of Softimage in years On Thu, Apr 21, 2016 at 2:51 PM, Srecko Micic wrote: > So at the end AD just wanted devs and working business? >

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No they never cared about the business long term From: Srecko Micic [mailto:srecko.mi...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, 21 April 2016 2:51 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Cc: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: Autodesk acquires Solid Angle So at the end AD just wanted devs and

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So at the end AD just wanted devs and working business? \-- **Micic Srecko** \--- **Mail:** [srecko.mi...@gmail.com](mailto:srecko.mi...@gmail.com) **Skype**: srecko.micic \--- On Apr 21 2016, at 2:39 pm, Luc-Eric Rousseau w

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underlying issues but it doesn’t totally suck the big one out the box anymore. From: Luc-Eric Rousseau [mailto:luceri...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, 21 April 2016 2:39 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: Autodesk acquires Solid Angle Oh my god, parents again? Patents are worth nothing

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Oh my god, parents again? Patents are worth nothing if you are not in the business of licensing patents, which Autodesk isn't in. Where these millions dollar patents exactly, and how is that worth 35 miliions? Hiring dozens of people in one shot plus a working business is worth millions, not som

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of a company claiming to be a market leader making such a release. Autodesk and co. added their 2 cents later and certainly didn't help matters, but they weren't the driving force. If it weren't for ICE, Softimage would've been dead a lot sooner. Matt Date:

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Thanks for these numbers they represents what I felt in the industry around me as for XSI's popularity. What year was foundation out? 2006? I think it propelled XSI's adoption, despite what some people say. The company I was working in at the time, switched from Max to XSI, partly thanks to Foun

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, as well as the duplication of staff > performing similar functions at the different companies. Reduction of staff > and merging operations is only one recession away - it's like a pendulum. > > That said, I think Solid Angle will likely be run autonomously like > Softimage|CAT o

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arger company portfolio seamlessly. Matt Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2016 11:04:44 +0200 From: Olivier Jeannel Subject: Re: Autodesk acquires Solid Angle To:"softimage@listproc.autodesk.com" Well, if you remember it was the same profile for Ice. They had that supa-crew of ice developpers that gave us

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ously like Softimage|CAT or Face Robot. Products which hit specific needs and don't necessarily fold into the larger company portfolio seamlessly. Matt Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2016 11:04:44 +0200 From: Olivier Jeannel Subject: Re: Autodesk acquires Solid Angle To: "softimage@listproc

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hink Solid Angle will likely be run autonomously like Softimage|CAT or Face Robot. Products which hit specific needs and don't necessarily fold into the larger company portfolio seamlessly. Matt Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2016 11:04:44 +0200 From: Olivier Jeannel Subject: Re: Autodesk acquires So

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"We use Shotgun here and the general perception is that the development pace has appeared to slow since the acquisition. There has been updates and some nice stuff, but at the same time larger chunks that seem to be still pending." This has been our observation as well... some basic things like th

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Welcome back, Stephen. gray From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Blair Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2016 10:07 AM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: Autodesk acquires Solid Angle On Wed, Apr 20, 2016

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Same here. Glad you were part of the acquisition. You help has always been invaluable and incredibly appreciated. On Wed, Apr 20, 2016 at 10:12 AM, Angus Davidson wrote: > Good to hear ;) Hope it continues to be awesome > > > On 20 Apr 2016, at 4:07 PM, Stephen Blair wrote: > > > > On Wed, Apr

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Good to hear ;) Hope it continues to be awesome On 20 Apr 2016, at 4:07 PM, Stephen Blair mailto:stephenrbl...@gmail.com>> wrote: On Wed, Apr 20, 2016 at 7:46 AM, Rob Wuijster mailto:r...@casema.nl>> wrote: Yes, I can imagine Stephen was jumping with joy to be part of the AD family again..

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On Wed, Apr 20, 2016 at 7:46 AM, Rob Wuijster wrote: > Yes, I can imagine Stephen was jumping with joy to be part of the AD > family again... ;-) > Getting laid off by Autodesk was the best thing that ever happened to me ;) Because I couldn't have planned a better career move. I can't deny I ha

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Yes, I can imagine Stephen was jumping with joy to be part of the AD family again... ;-) Rob \/-\/\/ On 20-4-2016 12:40, Srecko Micic wrote: Interesting thing is that Stephen Blair is again at AD :D -- *Micic Srecko* --- *Mail:* srecko.mi...@gmail.

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hit specific needs and don't necessarily fold into the larger company portfolio seamlessly. Matt Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2016 11:04:44 +0200 From: Olivier Jeannel Subject: Re: Autodesk acquires Solid Angle To: "softimage@listproc.autodesk.com" Well, if you remember it was the same prof

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> > Interesting thing is that Stephen Blair is again at AD :D > > -- > *Micic Srecko* > ow my, I wonder how he feels. -- Softimage Mailing List. To unsubscribe, send a mail to softimage-requ...@listproc.autodesk.com with "unsubscribe" in the subject, and reply to confirm.

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Interesting thing is that Stephen Blair is again at AD :D \-- **Micic Srecko** \--- **Mail:** [srecko.mi...@gmail.com](mailto:srecko.mi...@gmail.com) **Skype**: srecko.micic \--- On Apr 20 2016, at 10:50 am, Graham Bell wrote:

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Correction: ADSK bought softimage for $35 million. On Wed, 20 Apr 2016 10:36:18 +0200, Tom Kleinenberg wrote: That drop in market share was largely down to AD's inability to market it. That was my perception as well, though I'd make that unwillingness, rather than inability. Phasing o

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On Wed, 20 Apr 2016 10:36:18 +0200, Tom Kleinenberg wrote: That drop in market share was largely down to AD's inability to market it. That was my perception as well, though I'd make that unwillingness, rather than inability. Phasing out Softimage however was not so much a long term finan

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Well, if you remember it was the same profile for Ice. They had that supa-crew of ice developpers that gave us 2 or 3 generations of true big ice improvements (crowd, ice modeling, Build array from set, etc..) Then there was that moment when they fired a big part of the crew, saying that "everythin

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: Autodesk acquires Solid Angle We use Shotgun here and the general perception is that the development pace has appeared to slow since the acquisition. There has been updates and some nice stuff, but at the same time larger chunks that seem to be still pending. From a brand view AD might keep SA/Arnold

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We use Shotgun here and the general perception is that the development pace has appeared to slow since the acquisition. There has been updates and some nice stuff, but at the same time larger chunks that seem to be still pending. >From a brand view AD might keep SA/Arnold separate in the same way

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That drop in market share was largely down to AD's inability to market it. They seemed to be positioning it as an "Almost Houdini but not quite" because it had ICE. They couldn't sell it as an animation package, as that would canibalize Maya market share, an asset creation package as that would can

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From what I remember, XSI never had a higher market share then 10-11%, with Max having 45%+ and Maya 30%+ at that point in time (before acquired by AD$K). Not sure how the percentages are these days, I reckon XSI to be down at 1% or less, along the lines of Lightwave maybe. yeah, before

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yeah, before AD purchased Softimage, SI users out numbered Maya and Max, but after their purchase, SI users become so few that they are forced to abandon it. On Tue, Apr 19, 2016 at 5:18 PM, Perry Harovas wrote: > Steven Caron m wrote: > > "I am not trying to convince anyone to 'trust' Autodesk

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Steven Caron m wrote: "I am not trying to convince anyone to 'trust' Autodesk to do what is right for you, I was just trying to convince people of the possibility that Autodesk's best interest (in regard to the future of Arnold) is actually to play nicely with others." I totally agree with thi

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On 04/18/16 18:55, Steven Caron wrote: Their decision axe Softimage seemed irrational to us because we are emotional but if you reduce it to numbers, it made sen

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It certainly could happen. Again, I am cautiously optimistic that it won't. You can choose not to be so optimistic and stop using Arnold ASAP, so no decision Autodesk makes in the future will impact you. But just so it is clear... I was addressing the idea that Autodesk's first order of business w

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I am definitely not sure what their motivation was but instead of investing in it they gave up on it. -Original Message- From: "Steven Caron" Sent: ‎4/‎19/‎2016 3:21 PM To: "softimage@listproc.autodesk.com" Subject: Re: Autodesk acquires Solid Angle Not sure I

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d Maya. > -- > From: Steven Caron > Sent: ‎4/‎19/‎2016 3:07 PM > To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com > Subject: Re: Autodesk acquires Solid Angle > > I see what you are pointing out but again this is apples and oranges and > that quote misses context :) > >

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Oops…lol -- “If we reduce AD's behaviors to 'corporate greed' like this forum tends to do, then alienating thousands of users is illogical.” Didn’t they do that already? ;) This is

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Well, they kind of did that with mudbox, sure you could use it with any program, however they made it more convenient with max and Maya. -Original Message- From: "Steven Caron" Sent: ‎4/‎19/‎2016 3:07 PM To: "softimage@listproc.autodesk.com" Subject: Re: Autodesk

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I see what you are pointing out but again this is apples and oranges and that quote misses context :) Softimage != Arnold, full animation package with an API vs a rendering engine that IS an API... In Softimage's case AD is/was trying to convince us to switch to a competing product, in this case t

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ril 18, 2016 3:30 PM > *To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com > *Subject:* Re: Autodesk acquires Solid Angle > > > > Many AD corporate decisions seem irrational and strange to us. > > Why should this case be any different? > > > > I truly wish everything would go

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oc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Artur W Sent: Monday, April 18, 2016 3:30 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: Autodesk acquires Solid Angle Many AD corporate decisions seem irrational and strange to us. Why should this case be any different? I truly wish everything would go as we w

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If Arnold is included with Maya, replacing MR, then great! That would be good news for people like me that don't render that often and when we do we have to use MR, and have to keep using and paying Maya's subscription for a very long time. But Autodesk will probably sell it separated. Martin

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AD wants to get the equation as close as they can to people feeding them a steady stream of income for minimal updates and maintenance. They are not driven by any passion or creative fervour. On 19 April 2016 at 00:55, Steven Caron wrote: > I tried to touch on this with the last sentence in my r

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I tried to touch on this with the last sentence in my reply. Their decision axe Softimage seemed irrational to us because we are emotional but if you reduce it to numbers, it made sense. It is a truth I don't like to admit but it is a fact that Maya and Max user numbers are just higher, so of cours

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Ugg sorry , best said way. From: Angus Davidson [mailto:angus.david...@wits.ac.za] Sent: Tuesday, 19 April 2016 2:52 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: RE: Autodesk acquires Solid Angle Probably the said way of putting things into perspective. I am hopeful that this could be a win

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: Perry Harovas [mailto:perryharo...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, 19 April 2016 2:30 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: Autodesk acquires Solid Angle Marcos has a very level head on his shoulders. He and his team have created stunningly simple and powerful software rendering and done it

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Marcos has a very level head on his shoulders. He and his team have created stunningly simple and powerful software rendering and done it in almost a ninja-like careful fashion. I believe him when he says he feels it will be good for the company and users. The one indisputable fact, though, is he

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"I don't see how having Arnold stop working in C4D and Houdini means those houses are forced to switch to AD products?" Softimage bneing EOL didn;t force peopl egoing other AD route as well.. agree they killed it for other reasons as well but still... On Tue, Apr 19, 2016 at 12:28 AM, Steven Caro

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I am not excited on this acquisition either but it is easy to see that this isn't the same deal as the Softimage one. So don't confuse my statements for full support but rather a level headed look at what is really happening. I don't see how having Arnold stop working in C4D and Houdini means thos

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Sent: Monday, April 18, 2016 11:51 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: Autodesk acquires Solid Angle I doubt this, they want people paying them. A SolidAngle customer who didn't pay AD before (C4D or Houdini users) now has to pay AD! On Mon, Apr 18, 2016 at 2:44 PM, Jim

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Stay classy Olivier :) On Tue, Apr 19, 2016 at 9:21 AM, Olivier Jeannel wrote: > As seen on FB > Le 19 avr. 2016 02:06, "Sebastien Sterling" > a écrit : > >> AD wants to get the equation as close as they can to people feeding them >> a steady stream of income for minimal updates and maintenance

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As seen on FB Le 19 avr. 2016 02:06, "Sebastien Sterling" a écrit : > AD wants to get the equation as close as they can to people feeding them a > steady stream of income for minimal updates and maintenance. They are not > driven by any passion or creative fervour. > > On 19 April 2016 at 00:55,

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Many AD corporate decisions seem irrational and strange to us. Why should this case be any different? I truly wish everything would go as we wanted. Constant progress and development of Arnold. 2016-04-19 0:20 GMT+02:00 Steven Caron : > Yes, some aren't excited about paying AD money but that is

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Yes, some aren't excited about paying AD money but that is what I am saying... AD will need to keep these people happy or they will ditch Arnold. Breaking Arnold in C4D or Houdini is a lose lose scenario. They don't sell a Maya license and they don't sell an Arnold license. If we reduce AD's behavi

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Yes, but as we know a lot of people pay them not very willingly. Matter of choice. So, conspiracy theory, all they need to do after they plant arnold within Maya and/or Max is to just mess SDK a bit. Not as if they haven't already on purpose or by accident. Vray suddenly having glitches and bugs, t

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I doubt this, they want people paying them. A SolidAngle customer who didn't pay AD before (C4D or Houdini users) now has to pay AD! On Mon, Apr 18, 2016 at 2:44 PM, Jim Yeh wrote: > The first thing that AD will do is to make Arnold stop working with > competing app... > -- Softimage Mailing

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The first thing that AD will do is to make Arnold stop working with competing app such as C4D, Houdini, or, most importantly (and maybe the main reason they buy Arnold), NUKE, yeah, AD already killed Softimage so they are not even going to mention it's name. Then they will let the development team

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For once I am optimistic, AD has no product competing with Arnold, if anything Mental Ray will be left behind (as it should) and Arnold will reign as the 1st class product it is, nevertheless I will pay attention to AD next moves to see if they really intend to support all the other competitors

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In the pdf they mention redshift and vray, Octane is still flying under the radar ;) From: Stephen Davidson [mailto:magic...@bellsouth.net] Sent: Monday, 18 April 2016 5:37 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: Autodesk acquires Solid Angle AD don't you DARE touch the am

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AD don't you DARE touch the amazing Redshift ! Adam, you should be ashamed of yourself for even mentioning it. ;) On Mon, Apr 18, 2016 at 8:43 AM Adam Seeley wrote: > Arnold today, Redshift tomorrow? > > > -- Softimage Mailing List. To unsubscribe, send a mail to softimage-requ...@listpr

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e pace I'd say. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> and probably end up StoA. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> what a horrible news. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 18 A

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;>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> and probably end up StoA. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> what a horrible news. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 18 April 2016 at 14:00, Javier Vega >>>>>>>>

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016 at 14:00, Javier Vega >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I hope that will be something good this time, but I can't avoid >>>>>>>> to feel an old feeling that I don't like, but we'll try to have hope. &

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d feeling that I don't like, but we'll try to have hope. >>>>>>>> Autodesk will not try to kill Arnold. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *Javier Vega* >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>

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ing good this time, but I can't avoid to >>>>>>> feel an old feeling that I don't like, but we'll try to have hope. >>>>>>> Autodesk >>>>>>> will not try to kill Arnold. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *Javier

Re: Autodesk acquires Solid Angle

I think they meant the .pdf FAQ here http://www.autodesk.com/solidangle On 18 April 2016 at 10:14, Ognjen Vukovic wrote: > Eric i just saw that now. Do you know which press release the article was > referring to, i would love to see that. -- Softimage Mailing List. To unsubscribe, send a mai

Re: Autodesk acquires Solid Angle

t;>>> >>>>>> 2016-04-18 14:58 GMT+02:00 Matt Morris <[matt...@gmail.com](mailto:matt...@gmail.com)>: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I can't see autodesk killing off arnold as they have no competing products. Maybe the push towards cloud renderi

Re: Re: Autodesk acquires Solid Angle

stry two years after Autodesk acquired >>>> Softimage. They make everything worse and are now off to kill another >>>> product (and don't tell me that won't happen...). >>>> >>>> *Gesendet:* Montag, 18. April 2016 um 14:51 Uhr >&g

Re: Autodesk acquires Solid Angle

t;>>>> will not try to kill Arnold. >>>>>> >>>>>> *Javier Vega* >>>>>> >>>>>> www.zao3d.com >>>>>> >>>>>> Visita mi blog: http://blog.zao3d.com >>>>>> >>>>&g

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