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touch to see what other educators are going to be doing. From: Sofronis Efstathiou [sefstath...@bournemouth.ac.uk] Sent: 04 March 2014 10:24 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: RE: Retirement. I don't think so, we bought a 5 year li

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Message- From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Paul Sent: 04 March 2014 19:44 To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: Retirement. All I got was 'it's not the end of the world. Can you take the rubbish out

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todesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Angus Davidson Sent: 04 March 2014 19:11 To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: RE: Retirement. Sadly no word yet on what will happen with the academic licences ? Are you guys on the ARC program fro

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Davidson Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2014 2:57 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: RE: Retirement. Hi Maurice Not great news for us as we are on the ARC licences ;( Any news of maybe getting Maya LT added to to ARC program to compensate. We use softimage for our games design course

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From: Maurice Patel [maurice.pa...@autodesk.com] Sent: 04 March 2014 09:46 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: RE: Retirement. Hi Angus, The EDU suite will be treated like the commercial Ultimate Suite in that Softimage will be included

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-Original Message- From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Maurice Patel Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2014 2:26 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: RE: Retirement. I am checking facts on that one Maurice Patel Autodesk

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I mean, that could help, no? > > Does everyone that was working on Softimage including demo artists and > support are moving to Maya or where they let go? > > > From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com > [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Angus Davidson > Sent: 4 mars 2014 12:29 > To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com > Subject: RE: Retirement.

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@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: RE: Retirement. Sadly no word yet on what will happen with the academic licences ? Are you guys on the ARC program from autodesk ? From: Sofronis Efstathiou [sefstath...@bournemouth.ac.uk] Sent: 04 March 2014 08:55 PM To: softimage

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esday, 04 Mar 2014, 6:18PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com [softimage@listproc.autodesk.com] Subject: RE: Retirement. Bad pr from Autodesk. No compassion... No information about what's being done to Maya that could interest Softimage users... I mean, that could help, no? Does everyon

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2014, 6:18PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com [softimage@listproc.autodesk.com] Subject: RE: Retirement. Bad pr from Autodesk. No compassion... No information about what's being done to Maya that could interest Softimage users... I mean, that could help, no? Does everyone that was

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re they let go? > > > > > > *From:* softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto: > softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] *On Behalf Of *Angus Davidson > *Sent:* 4 mars 2014 12:29 > *To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com > *Subject:* RE: Retirement. > > > > Wit

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image-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Angus Davidson Sent: 4 mars 2014 12:29 To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: RE: Retirement. With or without ADs infrastructure I am sure the list will survive, even if the focus changes sli

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changes slightly > -- > *From:* Byron Nash [byronn...@gmail.com] > *Sent:* 04 March 2014 07:20 PM > > *To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com > *Subject:* Re: Retirement. > > I agree Enrique, the XSI-List is a big part of the reason Softimage was > so awe

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With or without ADs infrastructure I am sure the list will survive, even if the focus changes slightly From: Byron Nash [byronn...@gmail.com] Sent: 04 March 2014 07:20 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: Retirement. I agree Enrique, the XSI

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I agree Enrique, the XSI-List is a big part of the reason Softimage was so awesome. On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 11:33 AM, Enrique Caballero < enriquecaball...@gmail.com> wrote: > hopefully you all will stick around on this list, or move as a group. as > I've grown to rely on this mailing list wheneve

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hopefully you all will stick around on this list, or move as a group. as I've grown to rely on this mailing list whenever I've had trouble or needed some advice. I don't think I could match this community if i tried. On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 12:27 AM, Doeke Wartena wrote: > They should have incl

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LOL On Tuesday, March 4, 2014, Daniel H wrote: > Ok Ed. This is the stage I'm at. > > 10 LET denial = 1 > 20 LET anger = 0 > 30 GOTO 40 > 40 IF denial = 1 THEN GOTO 50 > 50 LET anger = anger + 1 > 60 PRINT "HATE, HATE, HATE, BUT LOATHE AUTODESK ENTIRELY!" > 70 PRINT anger > 80 IF anger >= 1 THEN

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They should have included a free version for maya and max users years ago. That way the might have could sink another boat by now. I will switch in 2 years to modo or houdini. Sad softimage was sold to satan. 2014-03-04 17:24 GMT+01:00 Daniel H : > Ok Ed. This is the stage I'm at. > > 10 LET de

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Ok Ed. This is the stage I'm at. 10 LET denial = 1 20 LET anger = 0 30 GOTO 40 40 IF denial = 1 THEN GOTO 50 50 LET anger = anger + 1 60 PRINT "HATE, HATE, HATE, BUT LOATHE AUTODESK ENTIRELY!" 70 PRINT anger 80 IF anger >= 1 THEN GOTO 50 90 END You can paste it here: http://www.calormen.com/jsbas

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@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: Retirement. an old softimage 3d testimonial video featuring lots of london's old timers from various studios including a young Kim Aldis :), https://vimeo.com/21515771 On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 5:41 PM, Francisco Criado wrote: Ed, i'm having a constant loop

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Jason, maybe autodesk is leaving those 2 "insanely" applications and put their afforts on getting better products until... they realize they only needed only one profesional software, oh, ups, we buried it in 2014, which has the name? ah softimage. On Tuesday, March 4, 2014, Emilio Hernandez wro

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I am actually waiting for the official announcement... 2014-03-04 10:04 GMT-06:00 Jason S : > > Emilo? Luca? A -*-properly channeled & civil-*- "stage 2" can go a > long way in terms of invoking change. > (the opposite of civil doing quite the opposite, especially in more public > forums)

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Emilo? Luca? A -*-properly channeled & civil-*- "stage 2" can go a long way in terms of invoking change. (the opposite of civil doing quite the opposite, especially in more public forums) Also found this sort-of ironic from the jigsaw release, which did heighten my own "stage 2" concerning

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Ita a good thing they never harnessed the Softimage communities creativity to build war machines. Would be a very one sided conflict. From: Luca [superposit...@gmail.com] Sent: 04 March 2014 05:57 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: Retirement

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2.5. *Fucking in the ass with a cactus the first AD suit who's been involved in the Softimage ending *— "Hey, man. Look at what I got for you. Yeah, its a cactus and I'm one of the guys using Softimage that your're doomed to struggle again in weeks for doing what I already was doing before with eas

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an old softimage 3d testimonial video featuring lots of london's old timers from various studios including a young Kim Aldis :), https://vimeo.com/21515771 On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 5:41 PM, Francisco Criado wrote: > Ed, i'm having a constant loop here ;) > F. > > > On Tuesday, March 4, 2014, Ed Ma

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sadness is that AD is a monopoly now. ;-) This is bad not only for users of xsi 2014-03-04 19:41 GMT+04:00 Francisco Criado : > Ed, i'm having a constant loop here ;) > F. > > > On Tuesday, March 4, 2014, Ed Manning wrote: > >> Stage 1 lasted nearly 5 years. It's only natural to spend a few

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Ed, i'm having a constant loop here ;) F. On Tuesday, March 4, 2014, Ed Manning wrote: > Stage 1 lasted nearly 5 years. It's only natural to spend a few days in > stage 2. > > > The stages, popularly known by the acronym *DABDA*, > include:[2]

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Stage 1 lasted nearly 5 years. It's only natural to spend a few days in stage 2. The stages, popularly known by the acronym *DABDA*, include:[2] 1. *Denial * -- As the reality of

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I have the screenshot of the news: - JIGSAW The screenshot is from here: softimage.tv They pulled the news and

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Please lets remind ourselves that however bad a situation may be, that **Free bitching** can only grossely exacerbate what can be of that already bad situation. On 03/04/14 10:02, Francisco Criado wrote: f**k autodesk, f**k the police. http://youtu.be/Cxuj_xjevTY F. On Tuesday, March 4, 2

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+1 From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Emilio Hernandez Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2014 4:25 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: Retirement. [http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/8965/erojamailpleca.jpg] 2014

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f**k autodesk, f**k the police. http://youtu.be/Cxuj_xjevTY F. On Tuesday, March 4, 2014, Mirko Jankovic wrote: > no one from AD dare to show their name anywhere as they know that they > will get thrown with rotten stuff and even worse as soon as they try to > say anything at all. > there is

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Sure, but with their absence, it is a confirmation of its own. On Tuesday, March 04, 2014 9:58:28 AM, Mirko Jankovic wrote: no one from AD dare to show their name anywhere as they know that they will get thrown with rotten stuff and even worse as soon as they try to say anything at all. there i

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no one from AD dare to show their name anywhere as they know that they will get thrown with rotten stuff and even worse as soon as they try to say anything at all. there is no marketing guru or PR wizard that can sugar coat this. On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 3:55 PM, Eric Thivierge wrote: > You can n

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You can not believe it is true all you want. Writing is on the wall and the various posts this past week being more real than any others should jog your vision. If it's not just wait until the end of the day and you'll have your confirmation. Also it's now not just a couple of users if you care

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Apart how slipping the rug under an entire community, can be off the charts in terms of "wrongness" in most people's book, it's also still mostly unanimous among anyone having used XSI, that the (quote) "workflow" or "overall intuitiveness" or "friendlyness" remains (objectively) unparalleled

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I don'believe is true, Autodesk on its site didnt change anything, ssoftimage is still abailable. Please stop publishing this kind of stuff, i'ts almost a week about people talking and speculating about softimage's end. If you want to talk about it go to a geek gossip forum or maya's forum. This ma

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orld but in Autodesk world. Oh well. sven From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of John Clausing Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2014 1:24 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: Retirement. It also says "suppo

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:34 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: RE: Retirement. I did not mean the polygon modeling tools. But other things, like curve tools in max. And I was always impressed by mayas paintfx tools... Would be nice if we had that in softimage out of the box, not only with complex and

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-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Szabolcs Matefy Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2014 2:07 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: RE: Retirement. Seriously? Modeling with Maya or Max is like making love with a cheese grinder. Painful

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l world but in Autodesk world. Oh >>> well. >>> >>> >>> >>> sven >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto: >>> softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] *On Behalf Of *John Claus

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@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: Retirement. Considering the latest update of Soft 2014 I wonder if they will just release bug fixes If they'll open up the API/SDK maybe would be the last gift that AD will give us...but I strongly doubt it... 2014-03-04 14:09 GMT+01:00 Jens Lindgren mailto:jens.lin

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e other way >> around. Killing max first, then maya. Integrating some of their features >> into Soft. Of course we're not in an ideal world but in Autodesk world. Oh >> well. >> >> >> >> sven >> >> >> >> *From:* softimage-b

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; >> sven >> >> >> >> *From:* softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto: >> softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] *On Behalf Of *John Clausing >> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 04, 2014 1:24 PM >> >> *To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com >>

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ilto: > softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] *On Behalf Of *John Clausing > *Sent:* Tuesday, March 04, 2014 1:24 PM > > *To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com > *Subject:* Re: Retirement. > > > > It also says "support till April 2016" > > > > As

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Constable Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2014 2:03 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: RE: Retirement. Beeing a small one man company, rarely doing freelance work at other companys anymore, I'll stay with softimage until I'll die:) I will update to the latest version, be it 2015 o

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in an ideal world but in Autodesk world. Oh well. sven From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of John Clausing Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2014 1:24 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: Retirement. It also says

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just a trim...

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I know that Eric, I was just curious. I always dreamed of one day to work with Softimage in a big studio. Guess that's over now. I've played with Maya, I've just started a workshop with Allan McKay on FumeFX, so that's not to say I hate 3ds Max or Maya, but I do hate Autodesk and if I get the ch

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Sad...very sad... Well...I guess I'll start to have a look at Maya Thanks for the big middle finger Autodesk, very classy 2014-03-04 13:49 GMT+01:00 Eric Thivierge : > 3pm EST today folks... stay tuned.. > > > On Tuesday, March 04, 2014 7:41:19 AM, Mirko Jankovic wrote: > >> http://www.jigsaw24

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They released their profit & loss statement last night. I'm pretty sure it showed ADSK as a whole had a 27% drop from the previous year. Personally I don't plan on supporting them financially at all from now on. And I will do my best to discourage anyone I know from buying any ADSK products. I'

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Just an FYI, all my opinions are my own and not of Hybride. We still have many many internal conversations yet to come to decide on our path. I've voiced my opinion enough about where I think we should go and I'm sticking to my guns. I dislike AD as much as the next person, but making a living

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Hey Eric, Since the jigsaw article said Softimage will be around until 2016 (when it finally stops on AD side), I do hope that you guys can change to something no AD a all. Giving them money after what they've done has to be a no-go. But I understand that you guys need to change for what will hel

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3pm EST today folks... stay tuned.. On Tuesday, March 04, 2014 7:41:19 AM, Mirko Jankovic wrote: http://www.jigsaw24.com/news/news/11949-autodesk-softimages-retirement-what-you-need-to-know/ taken page down.. who was a bit premature On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 1:39 PM, Max Evgrafov mailto:summ

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http://www.jigsaw24.com/news/news/11949-autodesk-softimages-retirement-what-you-need-to-know/ taken page down.. who was a bit premature On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 1:39 PM, Max Evgrafov wrote: > it is impossible to forgive AD > > > 2014-03-04 16:33 GMT+04:00 Max Evgrafov : > > managers of AD a

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True to a degree, but think of all the freelancers right now using softimage, working at a company where there might be some people using maya, and knowing all the jobs out there for maya, it's likely they would just pick up maya and give it a go and eventually, everyone is maya Somewhere like the

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Linked removed from Jigsaw, even though they even tweeted about it? weird enough. Sad day guys, best of luck to everyone.. On 4 March 2014 12:39, Max Evgrafov wrote: > it is impossible to forgive AD > > > 2014-03-04 16:33 GMT+04:00 Max Evgrafov : > > managers of AD are scoundrels. they will b

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it is impossible to forgive AD 2014-03-04 16:33 GMT+04:00 Max Evgrafov : > managers of AD are scoundrels. they will burn in hell > > > > 2014-03-04 16:24 GMT+04:00 John Clausing : > > It also says "support till April 2016" >> >> As for me, as a freelancer, gotta go Maya. But I'm going to learn

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A sad day indeed. :_( I'm still grateful to Jordi Bares for introducing me to XSI 10 years ago. It showed me how wrong Maya was. My current company uses Maya but I still use Softimage for modeling and UV stuff daily. I don't know what my next tool will be, but I will not stick to Maya for sure: i

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managers of AD are scoundrels. they will burn in hell 2014-03-04 16:24 GMT+04:00 John Clausing : > It also says "support till April 2016" > > As for me, as a freelancer, gotta go Maya. But I'm going to learn Modo and > Houdini > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Mar 4, 2014, at 7:22 AM, Daniel Swee

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I just hope companies don't change to anything AD. Freelancers have to learn whatever a job asks for, but a company can choose it's way of working. So please ... no more money for AD, they don't deserve it. On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 9:24 AM, John Clausing wrote: > It also says "support till April

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It also says "support till April 2016" As for me, as a freelancer, gotta go Maya. But I'm going to learn Modo and Houdini Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 4, 2014, at 7:22 AM, Daniel Sweeney wrote: > > So they have spoken. > Slow transition to another DCC then it is. I will use soft for as long

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So they have spoken. Slow transition to another DCC then it is. I will use soft for as long as possible, But time to get the thinking hat on. What is everyone thinking of going too? I am going to look into modo for my own work I think but will probably need to know a bit about maya for freelance w

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Not that I know of. And it says at the top: "Slated for release in 2015?" What? Was it announced - been in lectures all morning? Arse http://www.jigsaw24.com/news/news/11949-autodesk-softimages-retirement-what-you-need-to-know/ Sofronis Efstathiou Postgraduate Framework Leader and BFX Com

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Live long and prosper! at least they won't make it worse anymore plus all that nice budget to direct to plugins and renderers. On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 1:12 PM, Jason S wrote: > On 03/04/14 7:07, Artur Woźniak wrote: > > Yep, ok, but how many houses uses Houdini as they would use SI? > What

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While I am able to stay in my current position at this nice small company, I'm not going to switch to another autodesk product when *I feel the need*to switch. Although I don't see that for a while either unless suddenly development of renderers stop. But I might start to have a look at modo/houdi

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On 03/04/14 7:07, Artur Woźniak wrote: Yep, ok, but how many houses uses Houdini as they would use SI? What we looking at is Maya ... nothing, 3ds Max, ... ? Maybe Cinema4D,  Artur Woźniak   https://vimeo.com/83506156 h

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Actually we are looking at Softimage in 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017 and at least 2018 and more.. better then those other two Frankenstein dinosaurs of software. Till 2020 ther will either be world warr III so none will care about software at all or something will show on market. Autodesk is crap company

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Yep, ok, but how many houses uses Houdini as they would use SI? What we looking at is Maya ... nothing, 3ds Max, ... ? Maybe Cinema4D, Artur Woźniak https://vimeo.com/83506156 https://vimeo.com/user3560131/videos 2014-03-04 13:03 GMT+01:00 Ben Becke

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Houdini On 4 March 2014 11:55, nick name wrote: > The future is bright. > Not for XSI users, obviously. > > > On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 1:45 PM, Sofronis Efstathiou < > sefstath...@bournemouth.ac.uk> wrote: > >> >> >> Was it announced - been in lectures all morning? >> >> >> >> Arse >> >> >> >> >>

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age-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of nick name Sent: 04 March 2014 11:55 To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: Retirement. The future is bright. Not for XSI users, obviously. On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 1:45 PM, Sof

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The future is bright. Not for XSI users, obviously. On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 1:45 PM, Sofronis Efstathiou < sefstath...@bournemouth.ac.uk> wrote: > > > Was it announced - been in lectures all morning? > > > > Arse > > > > > http://www.jigsaw24.com/news/news/11949-autodesk-softimages-retirement-wha