RE: Extending Standard Tags was Editable Fields V/S Static Text

2003-09-27 Thread Steve Raeburn
AIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Vic Cekvenich > Sent: September 27, 2003 9:04 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Extending Standard Tags was Editable Fields V/S Static Text > > > > > Steve Raeburn wrote: > > Many of the tags (basically those that have been imple

Re: Extending Standard Tags was Editable Fields V/S Static Text

2003-09-27 Thread Vic Cekvenich
Steve Raeburn wrote: Many of the tags (basically those that have been implemented in struts-el) are closely bound to Struts so I don't see that they belong anywhere else. (Separate jar, yes. Separate cvs dir, probably). The remaining tags have a limited shelf life, having been superseded by JSTL.

Re: Extending Standard Tags was Editable Fields V/S Static Text

2003-09-27 Thread Ted Husted
Steve Raeburn wrote: > While I'd probably be in favour of Struts becoming a top level > project, I must confess I don't quite understand the criteria for > becoming one. It's mainly a question of whether the community surrounding the product is mature enough to stand on its own and stay true to th

RE: Extending Standard Tags was Editable Fields V/S Static Text

2003-09-27 Thread Steve Raeburn
L PROTECTED] > Sent: September 27, 2003 10:20 AM > To: Struts Developers List > Subject: Re: Extending Standard Tags was Editable Fields V/S Static Text > > > Vic Cekvenich wrote: > > (also IMO Struts HTML and tiles tag could/should migrate to taglibs) > > Yes, it wou

Re: Extending Standard Tags was Editable Fields V/S Static Text

2003-09-27 Thread Ted Husted
Vic Cekvenich wrote: (also IMO Struts HTML and tiles tag could/should migrate to taglibs) Yes, it would be nice if the taglibs were maintained by Jakarta Taglibs, in the same way that the Struts View Tools are maintained by Velocity. Struts should make it as easy as possible for presentation tech

Re: Extending Standard Tags was Editable Fields V/S Static Text

2003-09-27 Thread Vic Cekvenich
Sgarlata Matt wrote: If my other suggestion of having the render() method call getters instead of directly accessing instance variables is used, then renderExtraAttributes() becomes more important. If it is not provided and someone wants to stick in some non-HTML 4.01 compliant HTML, what they

Re: Editable Fields V/S Static Text

2003-09-27 Thread Graham Leggett
Edgar P Dollin wrote: 1) It is fine that the basic tags in struts don't emit non-standard html, but why do struts tags have to 'police' the emission of non-html. For many intranet style projects, non standard html is important to achieve specific required functionality. To deny the need for such

Re: Editable Fields V/S Static Text

2003-09-26 Thread Craig R. McClanahan
to see a more detailed description of what you're thinking about to know whether it would fit in, but I assume you're talking about something more than the "disabled" and "readonly" attributes that already exist? Edgar Craig -Original Message-

Re: Editable Fields V/S Static Text

2003-09-26 Thread Ted Husted
In the beginning, there was no Jakarta Taglibs, or inkling of something like JSTL. So, Craig bravely put together a useful implementation of some custom tags that did two things. First, they exposed the internals of the Struts Controller framework. Second, they provided some basic functionality

Re: Editable Fields V/S Static Text

2003-09-26 Thread Sgarlata Matt
- Original Message - From: "David Graham" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Struts Developers List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, September 26, 2003 1:02 AM Subject: Re: Editable Fields V/S Static Text > > --- Robert Leland <[EMAIL

Re: Editable Fields V/S Static Text

2003-09-26 Thread Ted Husted
Sgarlata Matt wrote: Of course if I really want that I should probably just use Velocity, huh? ;) +1. I do =:) -Ted. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Editable Fields V/S Static Text

2003-09-26 Thread David Graham
--- Sgarlata Matt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > - Original Message - > From: "David Graham" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Struts Developers List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Friday, September 26, 2003 7:52 PM > Subject: Re: Editable Fields

RE: Editable Fields V/S Static Text

2003-09-26 Thread David Graham
k to support. Ted has mentioned something similar to this before. David > > Edgar > > > -Original Message- > > From: Ted Husted [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Friday, September 26, 2003 5:07 PM > > To: Struts Developers List > > Subject: Re: Edi

Re: Editable Fields V/S Static Text

2003-09-26 Thread Sgarlata Matt
- Original Message - From: "David Graham" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Struts Developers List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, September 26, 2003 7:52 PM Subject: Re: Editable Fields V/S Static Text > > However, at this time, we have a Struts-el tag

Re: Editable Fields V/S Static Text

2003-09-26 Thread David Graham
--- Ted Husted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Chris Gastin wrote: > > As I can tell from the list I have opened topic that is pretty well > > beaten. Let me first apologize. I did not realize this was such a > > political topic in the Struts community. > > There was a time when we were encourag

RE: Editable Fields V/S Static Text

2003-09-26 Thread Edgar P Dollin
> From: Ted Husted [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, September 26, 2003 5:07 PM > To: Struts Developers List > Subject: Re: Editable Fields V/S Static Text > > > David Graham wrote: > > There are 3 things that earn my -1 on tag enhancements: > > 1. Fun

Re: Editable Fields V/S Static Text

2003-09-26 Thread Ted Husted
David Graham wrote: There are 3 things that earn my -1 on tag enhancements: 1. Functionality already provided by the JSTL. Just as an aside, I believe by -1 David means that he won't volunteer his own time to the issue. As a volunteer, this is his absolute right. But, since the Struts minimum pl

Re: Editable Fields V/S Static Text

2003-09-26 Thread Ted Husted
Chris Gastin wrote: > As I can tell from the list I have opened topic that is pretty well > beaten. Let me first apologize. I did not realize this was such a > political topic in the Struts community. There was a time when we were encouraging people to use the JSTL, and there was a political bent

Re: Editable Fields V/S Static Text

2003-09-25 Thread David Graham
--- Robert Leland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > David Graham wrote: > > >--- Sgarlata Matt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > >>OK, here's another idea. I searched the archives for it and couldn't > >>find > >>it. > >> > >>How about two simple changes: > >>1) Add a new renderExtraAttributes()

Re: Editable Fields V/S Static Text

2003-09-25 Thread David Graham
ham" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Struts Developers List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2003 3:39 PM > Subject: RE: Editable Fields V/S Static Text > > > > > > --- Edgar P Dollin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > &

Re: Editable Fields V/S Static Text

2003-09-25 Thread Robert Leland
Chris Gastin wrote: Rob: I am not an contributer, but I am a young developer. I am willing to step up and support these abilities in the struts tags Great ! I have come to believe that young/single developers & older/grown kids/empty nesters developers are better situated to be Open Source dev

Re: Editable Fields V/S Static Text

2003-09-25 Thread Chris Gastin
nt: Thursday, September 25, 2003 9:43 PM Subject: Re: Editable Fields V/S Static Text > David Graham wrote: > > >--- Sgarlata Matt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > >>OK, here's another idea. I searched the archives for it and could

Re: Editable Fields V/S Static Text

2003-09-25 Thread Robert Leland
David Graham wrote: --- Sgarlata Matt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: OK, here's another idea. I searched the archives for it and couldn't find it. How about two simple changes: 1) Add a new renderExtraAttributes() method that gives people the chance to throw non-standard HTML into their tags that

Re: Editable Fields V/S Static Text

2003-09-25 Thread Niall Pemberton
Sounds good. I'll put some thought into it. Niall - Original Message - From: "David Graham" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Struts Developers List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, September 26, 2003 2:09 AM Subject: Re: Editable Fields V/S Static T

Re: Editable Fields V/S Static Text

2003-09-25 Thread Don Brown
pers List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2003 3:39 PM > Subject: RE: Editable Fields V/S Static Text > > > > > > --- Edgar P Dollin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I think it is more than a 'preference' based on the

Re: Editable Fields V/S Static Text

2003-09-25 Thread Chris Gastin
m" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Struts Developers List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2003 3:39 PM Subject: RE: Editable Fields V/S Static Text > > --- Edgar P Dollin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I think it is more than a 'prefere

Re: Editable Fields V/S Static Text

2003-09-25 Thread David Graham
rs functionality not provided by the JSTL; however, if other tags need refactoring I'm willing to work on those as well. Does this sound reasonable? David > > Niall > > - Original Message - > From: "David Graham" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Struts

Re: Editable Fields V/S Static Text

2003-09-25 Thread David Graham
advance if this has been discussed before. ([OT] I > really > wish there was an easier way to search the archives. I have resorted to > googling them, but it's still a pain.) > > Matt > - Original Message - > From: "Robert Leland" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Re: Editable Fields V/S Static Text

2003-09-25 Thread Sgarlata Matt
to googling them, but it's still a pain.) Matt - Original Message - From: "Robert Leland" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Struts Developers List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2003 1:41 PM Subject: Re: Editable Fields V/S Static Text >

Re: Editable Fields V/S Static Text

2003-09-25 Thread Sgarlata Matt
to googling them, but it's still a pain.) Matt - Original Message - From: "Robert Leland" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Struts Developers List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2003 1:41 PM Subject: Re: Editable Fields V/S Static Text >

Re: Editable Fields V/S Static Text

2003-09-25 Thread Niall Pemberton
t; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Struts Developers List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2003 9:39 PM Subject: RE: Editable Fields V/S Static Text > Whenever tag extendability enhancements are discussed, we always hear > complaints from a vocal minority but

RE: Editable Fields V/S Static Text

2003-09-25 Thread David Graham
n [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2003 2:23 PM > > To: Struts Developers List > > Subject: Re: Editable Fields V/S Static Text > > > > > > It's only a "political football" in the sense that most of > > the curr

RE: Editable Fields V/S Static Text

2003-09-25 Thread Edgar P Dollin
lanahan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2003 2:23 PM > To: Struts Developers List > Subject: Re: Editable Fields V/S Static Text > > > It's only a "political football" in the sense that most of > the current > committers would prefer

Re: Editable Fields V/S Static Text

2003-09-25 Thread Craig R. McClanahan
Edgar P Dollin wrote: If the tags were structured differently so they were easier to extend without breaking when new releases of struts come out these issues might not come up. Of course, I myself have resigned myself to this issue since the tags are such a political football on this list. Edgar

Forking Struts taglibs[ was Re: Editable Fields V/S Static Text]

2003-09-25 Thread Robert Leland
Edgar P Dollin wrote: If the tags were structured differently so they were easier to extend without breaking when new releases of struts come out these issues might not come up. Of course, I myself have resigned myself to this issue since the tags are such a political football on this list. Edgar

Re: Editable Fields V/S Static Text

2003-09-25 Thread Robert Leland
David Graham wrote: --- Robert Leland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Yes, This has been brought up many times over the last 3 years, and probably has been implemented several times extending the Struts tags. I am not opposed to such a feature, and would support it, though other committers might not

Re: Editable Fields V/S Static Text

2003-09-25 Thread David Graham
--- Robert Leland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Yes, This has been brought up many times over the last 3 years, > and probably has been implemented several times extending the Struts > tags. > > I am not opposed to such a feature, and would support it, > though other committers might not. > > The

Re: Editable Fields V/S Static Text

2003-09-25 Thread David Graham
D]> > To: "Struts Developers List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2003 1:23 PM > Subject: Re: Editable Fields V/S Static Text > > > > Yes, This has been brought up many times over the last 3 years, > > and probably has been implem

Re: Editable Fields V/S Static Text

2003-09-25 Thread Robert Leland
Sgarlata Matt wrote: Has anyone ever discussed adding a general-purpose "attributes" attribute to the tag library to support non-standard HTML like this? For example, Yes, it was vetoed by several committers. Search the archives. --

RE: Editable Fields V/S Static Text

2003-09-25 Thread Edgar P Dollin
nal Message- > From: Robert Leland [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2003 12:23 PM > To: Struts Developers List > Subject: Re: Editable Fields V/S Static Text > > > Yes, This has been brought up many times over the last 3 > years, and probably h

Re: Editable Fields V/S Static Text

2003-09-25 Thread Sgarlata Matt
t... Matt - Original Message - From: "Robert Leland" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Struts Developers List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2003 1:23 PM Subject: Re: Editable Fields V/S Static Text > Yes, This has been brought up many times o

Re: Editable Fields V/S Static Text

2003-09-25 Thread Robert Leland
Yes, This has been brought up many times over the last 3 years, and probably has been implemented several times extending the Struts tags. I am not opposed to such a feature, and would support it, though other committers might not. The key argument against it is that it would transform the html tag

RE: Editable Fields V/S Static Text

2003-09-24 Thread Edgar P Dollin
:29 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Editable Fields V/S Static Text > > > Has anyone considered a feature which toggles between an > editable form element and read only text / static text. > > I find myself developing JSPs where depending on the Use > Case

Editable Fields V/S Static Text

2003-09-24 Thread Chris Gastin
Has anyone considered a feature which toggles between an editable form element and read only text / static text. I find myself developing JSPs where depending on the Use Case "fieldA" could be an editalbe text box () in Use Case 1 on xyz.jsp and readonly text /static text in Use Case 2 (My Text