Re: [Sursound] Never do electronic in public.

2016-02-05 Thread Marc Lavallée
Another interesting chip is the Simblee, for "simple bluetooth low energy" (a quick search is recommended) Strong points: - small - low power Bluetooth - low latency communication - embedded micro-controller with 29 GPIOs - Arduino programming - with a special mobile application framework (th

Re: [Sursound] Never do electronic in public.

2016-02-04 Thread Dave Malham
On this topic (of binaural/headtracking eyc.) there's some interesting looking papers at the Audio for Games conference next weekend http://www.audioforgames.net/2016/schedule-papers/ wish I was going Dave On 3 February 2016 at 14:41, Jörn Nettingsmeier < netti.

Re: [Sursound] Never do electronic in public.

2016-02-03 Thread Jörn Nettingsmeier
On 02/03/2016 02:48 PM, florian.came...@orf.at wrote: (But we shouldn't divert from the original topic.) no, that is frowned upon here :-D thanks for the insightful comments, i was wondering the same... -- Jörn Nettingsmeier Lortzingstr. 11, 45128 Essen, Tel. +49 177 7937487 Meister f

Re: [Sursound] Never do electronic in public.

2016-02-03 Thread florian.camerer
n "David Pickett [d...@fugato.com] Gesendet: Mittwoch, 03. Februar 2016 12:32 An: Surround Sound discussion group Betreff: Re: [Sursound] Never do electronic in public. At 12:01 03-02-16, Justin Bennett wrote: >> On 02 Feb 2016, at 18:00, sursound-requ...@music.vt.edu wrote: >

Re: [Sursound] Never do electronic in public.

2016-02-03 Thread David Pickett
At 12:01 03-02-16, Justin Bennett wrote: >> On 02 Feb 2016, at 18:00, sursound-requ...@music.vt.edu wrote: >> >> From: David Pickett >>> >> >> But... I seem to be the only person I know who complains about ALL >> the dialogue coming from the centre speaker on 5.1 movies!

Re: [Sursound] Never do electronic in public.

2016-02-03 Thread Eero Aro
David Pickett wrote: But... I seem to be the only person I know who complains about ALL the dialogue coming from the centre speaker on 5.1 movies! Having sterero dialogue seems to me to be a basic necessity for realism (AKA consistent and natural cues)! That was the fault of the film sound t

Re: [Sursound] Never do electronic in public.

2016-02-03 Thread Justin Bennett
> On 02 Feb 2016, at 18:00, sursound-requ...@music.vt.edu wrote: > > From: David Pickett >> > > But... I seem to be the only person I know who complains about ALL > the dialogue coming from the centre speaker on 5.1 movies! Having > sterero dialogue seems to me to be a

Re: [Sursound] Never do electronic in public.

2016-02-02 Thread Marc Lavallée
On Tue, 2 Feb 2016 16:46:33 +0530, umashankar manthravadi wrote: > One more question. How useful or effective is it to have headtracking > only on the horizontal axis ? will it help at all ? > > umashankar The horizontal axis is the most important and the easiest. With a horizontal only decoder,

Re: [Sursound] Never do electronic in public.

2016-02-02 Thread umashankar manthravadi
2016 3:19 PM To: Surround Sound discussion group<mailto:sursound@music.vt.edu> Subject: Re: [Sursound] Never do electronic in public. At 10:37 02-02-16, Politis Archontis wrote: >The issue is that all these emerging VR and AR technologies, >independently of if they will be succ

Re: [Sursound] Never do electronic in public.

2016-02-02 Thread David Pickett
At 10:37 02-02-16, Politis Archontis wrote: >The issue is that all these emerging VR and AR technologies, >independently of if they will be successful or not, should be designed >from the bottom-up to deliver consistent and natural cues, especially >if you are mixing reality with the virtual. Oth

Re: [Sursound] Never do electronic in public.

2016-02-02 Thread Politis Archontis
Hi David, I agree completely with what you say apart from a single point: This dichotomy is the exact reason why, in my opinion, proper binaural rendering is crucial. And I don’t think music is the issue here anyway (actually most of the people I know listening to music with loudspeakers at the

Re: [Sursound] Never do electronic in public.

2016-02-01 Thread David Pickett
At 07:42 02-02-16, umashankar manthravadi wrote: >For the moment, I would like video kept out of motion tracked audio on >headphones. I want this to be a system where I can sit in a rocking >chair and listen to music of many kinds on a good pair of headphones >and the headtracking is only to rein

Re: [Sursound] Never do electronic in public.

2016-02-01 Thread umashankar manthravadi
mailto:sursound@music.vt.edu> Subject: Re: [Sursound] Never do electronic in public. David McGriffy wrote: > >I got a GearVR recently and it does work better than Google Cardboard. Much >of this is just comfort, I think, but I understand that it has its own >gyros, mostly because they are

Re: [Sursound] Never do electronic in public.

2016-02-01 Thread Marc Lavallée
Le Mon, 1 Feb 2016 22:01:26 +0100, Bo-Erik Sandholm a écrit : > http://hackaday.com/2016/02/01/ftdi-drivers-break-fake-chips-again/ > In the near future serial over USB with windows might be flaky. That may be another reason to go wireless... A new chip, the esp32 (still in beta) is an upgrade

Re: [Sursound] Never do electronic in public.

2016-02-01 Thread Stefan Schreiber
David McGriffy wrote: I got a GearVR recently and it does work better than Google Cardboard. Much of this is just comfort, I think, but I understand that it has its own gyros, mostly because they are faster. 'Heresay' is that the Oculus Rift samples at least 1000Hz. I have actually written an a

Re: [Sursound] Never do electronic in public.

2016-02-01 Thread Stefan Schreiber
Stefan Schreiber wrote: David McGriffy wrote: I got a GearVR recently and it does work better than Google Cardboard. Much of this is just comfort, I think, but I understand that it has its own gyros, mostly because they are faster. 'Heresay' is that the Oculus Rift samples at least 1000Hz.

Re: [Sursound] Never do electronic in public.

2016-02-01 Thread Stefan Schreiber
David McGriffy wrote: I got a GearVR recently and it does work better than Google Cardboard. Much of this is just comfort, I think, but I understand that it has its own gyros, mostly because they are faster. 'Heresay' is that the Oculus Rift samples at least 1000Hz. Yes, but do you need this?

Re: [Sursound] Never do electronic in public.

2016-02-01 Thread Bo-Erik Sandholm
http://hackaday.com/2016/02/01/ftdi-drivers-break-fake-chips-again/ In the near future serial over USB with windows might be flaky. Bo-Erik On 1 Feb 2016 21:53, "Bo-Erik Sandholm" wrote: > Standard aliexpress Bluetooth module v2.0+edr have a data rate of 2.1 > Mbit/s > It is not so bad if you ca

Re: [Sursound] Never do electronic in public.

2016-02-01 Thread Bo-Erik Sandholm
Standard aliexpress Bluetooth module v2.0+edr have a data rate of 2.1 Mbit/s It is not so bad if you can get the sensors UART to push data near that speed. - Bo-Erik On 1 Feb 2016 20:33, "David McGriffy" wrote: > Right, 10DOF is with altitude. I'm building a drone controller out of piece > parts

Re: [Sursound] Never do electronic in public.

2016-02-01 Thread David McGriffy
Right, 10DOF is with altitude. I'm building a drone controller out of piece parts as a demonstration. Yes, there are certainly ways to achieve low latency convolution, but all at the expense of CPU, which is already at a premium when running on phones. I first heard the 20ms figure from some folk

Re: [Sursound] Never do electronic in public.

2016-02-01 Thread Bo-Erik Sandholm
Apperently there exists a head tracking specialized version of the bno055 called bno070 - but I cannot find a place to buy this. you can get up to 250 samples / second from that version. Matthias did not complain about the update rate with the DIY headtracker http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthr

Re: [Sursound] Never do electronic in public.

2016-02-01 Thread Stefan Schreiber
Marc Lavallee wrote: On Mon, 01 Feb 2016 17:46:47 + Stefan Schreiber wrote: What is a 10 DOF motion sensor??? (Didn't you mean 9DOF?) It's 9DOF + barometric pressure, so 9DOF is enough. For more info: http://playground.arduino.cc/Main/WhatIsDegreesOfFreedom6DOF9DOF10DOF11DOF --

Re: [Sursound] Never do electronic in public.

2016-02-01 Thread Stefan Schreiber
David McGriffy wrote: Oh how I wish I had time to play with this stuff. At this moment on my breadboard I have a Teensy 3.2, a 6DOF gyro module, etc. Bluetooth modules should be in today. 10DOF modules on order. I think the magnetometer is important for HT to prevent drift. The altitude, perhaps

Re: [Sursound] Never do electronic in public.

2016-02-01 Thread Marc Lavallee
On Mon, 01 Feb 2016 17:46:47 + Stefan Schreiber wrote: > What is a 10 DOF motion sensor??? (Didn't you mean 9DOF?) It's 9DOF + barometric pressure, so 9DOF is enough. For more info: http://playground.arduino.cc/Main/WhatIsDegreesOfFreedom6DOF9DOF10DOF11DOF -- Marc ___

Re: [Sursound] Never do electronic in public.

2016-02-01 Thread Stefan Schreiber
David McGriffy wrote: Oh how I wish I had time to play with this stuff. At this moment on my breadboard I have a Teensy 3.2, a 6DOF gyro module, etc. Bluetooth modules should be in today. 10DOF modules on order. I think the magnetometer is important for HT to prevent drift. The altitude, perhaps

Re: [Sursound] Never do electronic in public.

2016-02-01 Thread Jörn Nettingsmeier
On 02/01/2016 04:25 PM, David McGriffy wrote: The standard I hear in the VR world is 20ms "motion to photons". Minimum frame rate of 60Hz, preferably 90-120Hz. These faster rates do not allow convolution with the full block size of the listen database, though careful truncation should be OK. ?

Re: [Sursound] Never do electronic in public.

2016-02-01 Thread David McGriffy
Oh how I wish I had time to play with this stuff. At this moment on my breadboard I have a Teensy 3.2, a 6DOF gyro module, etc. Bluetooth modules should be in today. 10DOF modules on order. I think the magnetometer is important for HT to prevent drift. The altitude, perhaps not so much. Of course,

Re: [Sursound] Never do electronic in public.

2016-02-01 Thread Michael Chapman
> I just looked back at sursound mails and michael chapman had pointed out > that the teensy has four channel audio support. > > http://www.pjrc.com/teensy/td_libs_Audio.html > > umashankar > > Must refuse the credit. I just participated in that thread. Michael ___

Re: [Sursound] Never do electronic in public.

2016-02-01 Thread umashankar manthravadi
Sandholm<mailto:bosses...@gmail.com> Sent: Monday, February 1, 2016 1:12 PM To: sursound<mailto:sursound@music.vt.edu> Cc: umashankar mantravadi<mailto:umasha...@hotmail.com>; Stefan Schreiber<mailto:st...@mail.telepac.pt>; Marc Lavallée<mailto:m...@hacklava.net> Subject: Re: [

Re: [Sursound] Never do electronic in public.

2016-01-31 Thread Bo-Erik Sandholm
I am not really very structured and gets distracted easily, in this experiment the final hardware setup is not decided, currently my software structure thinking is like this. OSC for the protocol as most available Ambisonics sw is VST's for PC or Mac and Reaper accepts OSC for controls. If done ri

Re: [Sursound] Never do electronic in public.

2016-01-31 Thread umashankar manthravadi
...@hacklava.net> > Sent: Monday, February 1, 2016 7:37 AM > To: Surround Sound discussion group<mailto:sursound@music.vt.edu> > Subject: Re: [Sursound] Never do electronic in public. > > On Mon, 01 Feb 2016 01:17:42 +, > Stefan Schreiber wrote : > > > Again:

Re: [Sursound] Never do electronic in public.

2016-01-31 Thread Marc Lavallée
ay, February 1, 2016 7:37 AM > To: Surround Sound discussion group<mailto:sursound@music.vt.edu> > Subject: Re: [Sursound] Never do electronic in public. > > On Mon, 01 Feb 2016 01:17:42 +, > Stefan Schreiber wrote : > > > Again: You need a defined plan what your

Re: [Sursound] Never do electronic in public.

2016-01-31 Thread Stefan Schreiber
ws 10 From: Marc Lavallée<mailto:m...@hacklava.net> Sent: Monday, February 1, 2016 7:37 AM To: Surround Sound discussion group<mailto:sursound@music.vt.edu> Subject: Re: [Sursound] Never do electronic in public. On Mon, 01 Feb 2016 01:17:42 +, Stefan Schreiber wrote : Again:

Re: [Sursound] Never do electronic in public.

2016-01-31 Thread Stefan Schreiber
Marc Lavallée wrote: On Mon, 01 Feb 2016 01:17:42 +, Stefan Schreiber wrote : Again: You need a defined plan what your device is supposed to do, to connect to which devices (PCs? iOS/Android devices? ...), etc. The plan is to track the orientation of a moving body part that is k

Re: [Sursound] Never do electronic in public.

2016-01-31 Thread umashankar manthravadi
6 7:37 AM To: Surround Sound discussion group<mailto:sursound@music.vt.edu> Subject: Re: [Sursound] Never do electronic in public. On Mon, 01 Feb 2016 01:17:42 +, Stefan Schreiber wrote : > Again: You need a defined plan what your device is supposed to do, to > connect to which devices (

Re: [Sursound] Never do electronic in public.

2016-01-31 Thread Marc Lavallée
On Mon, 01 Feb 2016 01:17:42 +, Stefan Schreiber wrote : > Again: You need a defined plan what your device is supposed to do, to > connect to which devices (PCs? iOS/Android devices? ...), etc. The plan is to track the orientation of a moving body part that is known to affect our ability to

Re: [Sursound] Never do electronic in public.

2016-01-31 Thread Stefan Schreiber
Marc Lavallée wrote: The BNO055 is a wonder. Fully agreed. This sensor looks and feels like a quality solution. 100Hz updates are sufficient for our needs. Here's a complete integration with bluetooth: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84MOS78-Hso Too bad the schematics are not provided. T

Re: [Sursound] Never do electronic in public.

2016-01-31 Thread Stefan Schreiber
Bo-Erik Sandholm wrote: I copied the wrong link, touch interface is not always good :-) I was involved in getting Matthias to support the diy head tracker with the gy-85 an a aurdino nano with USB connectivity, in the current setup we need a initial calibration and a pd plugin to convert to OSC

Re: [Sursound] Never do electronic in public. (was: Never do math in public...)

2016-01-31 Thread Marc Lavallée
The BNO055 is a wonder. Here's a complete integration with bluetooth: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84MOS78-Hso Too bad the schematics are not provided. The sensor looks easy to use, but it needs calibration: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nz4EozK4cPY If made small enough, a complete device c

Re: [Sursound] Never do electronic in public. (was: Never do math in public...)

2016-01-31 Thread Bo-Erik Sandholm
I copied the wrong link, touch interface is not always good :-) I was involved in getting Matthias to support the diy head tracker with the gy-85 an a aurdino nano with USB connectivity, in the current setup we need a initial calibration and a pd plugin to convert to OSC to talk to Reaper daw. No

Re: [Sursound] Never do electronic in public. (was: Never do math in public...)

2016-01-31 Thread Paul Hodges
--On 31 January 2016 10:58 -0500 Marc Lavallée wrote: > Warning: the discussion is drifting to DIY electronic gadgetry. :) I just got some new electronic gadgetry. :-) Not home-made, though, commercial, designated with a block of random letters and numbers: something like SPS200... Paul --