Re: [Synfig-devl] Hi Synfig devs

2013-01-11 Thread Yu Chen
Then we are going to replace Control Points with Handles. Changes are made in terms_rework_2 branch. -- Sent from my HP Pre3 -- On Jan 11, 2013 15:37, Konstantin Dmitriev ksee.zelga...@gmail.com wrote: Just in case if someone is not watching this thread -

Re: [Synfig-devl] Hi Synfig devs

2013-01-10 Thread Konstantin Dmitriev
Just in case if someone is not watching this thread - http://synfig.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=17494#p17494 K. 2013/1/9 Yu Chen jco...@gmail.com: Thanks. The new type_canvas_icon.sif is pushed into my terms_rework_2 branch on github.com ~ yu -- No one will come, Yu has to make it happen

Re: [Synfig-devl] Hi Synfig devs

2013-01-09 Thread Yu Chen
here, another type_canvas_icon proposal (image/sheet concept): https://www.dropbox.com/s/m4pe4mxm2dal0cn/type_canvas_icon_proposal_4_Screen%20Shot.png ~ yu -- No one will come, Yu has to make it happen by Yu-self. 2013/1/9 Carlos López González genet...@gmail.com Choosing between the three

Re: [Synfig-devl] Hi Synfig devs

2013-01-09 Thread Konstantin Dmitriev
2013/1/9 Yu Chen jco...@gmail.com: here, another type_canvas_icon proposal (image/sheet concept): https://www.dropbox.com/s/m4pe4mxm2dal0cn/type_canvas_icon_proposal_4_Screen%20Shot.png I love this one. It reminds me the cell sheet -

Re: [Synfig-devl] Hi Synfig devs

2013-01-09 Thread David Rylander
Yes, very good one! -david. 2013-01-09 11:54, Konstantin Dmitriev skrev: 2013/1/9 Yu Chen jco...@gmail.com: here, another type_canvas_icon proposal (image/sheet concept): https://www.dropbox.com/s/m4pe4mxm2dal0cn/type_canvas_icon_proposal_4_Screen%20Shot.png I love this one. It reminds me

Re: [Synfig-devl] Hi Synfig devs

2013-01-09 Thread Yu Chen
Thanks. The new type_canvas_icon.sif is pushed into my terms_rework_2 branch on github.com ~ yu -- No one will come, Yu has to make it happen by Yu-self. 2013/1/9 David Rylander rylle...@gmail.com Yes, very good one! -david. 2013-01-09 11:54, Konstantin Dmitriev skrev: 2013/1/9 Yu

Re: [Synfig-devl] Hi Synfig devs

2013-01-08 Thread Yu Chen
2013/1/8 Konstantin Dmitriev ksee.zelga...@gmail.com Tested, works fine, thank you! Regarding to my request... DIY mode: ON. Here's the pull request: https://github.com/jcome/synfig/pull/3 Thanks, merged. I update the type_canvas_icon as well, screenshot:

Re: [Synfig-devl] Hi Synfig devs

2013-01-08 Thread Konstantin Dmitriev
2013/1/9 Yu Chen jco...@gmail.com: Done, thanks Carlos. I made more type canvas icon proposals, pls see the screenshot https://www.dropbox.com/s/essa47a1t7ysezk/type_canvas_icon%20proposal.png Which one do you prefer? I think that the folder is not a good as canvas icon. I think image

Re: [Synfig-devl] Hi Synfig devs

2013-01-07 Thread Carlos López González
Yes please. Open the bug issue. I think that I know the cause. I'll comment directly to Jcome's github branch. https://github.com/jcome/synfig/commit/841dc18d3174d6c45351e9e5d2e04380c28b4c19#commitcomment-2392580 Cheers! 2013/1/7 Konstantin Dmitriev ksee.zelga...@gmail.com Hi! I have

Re: [Synfig-devl] Hi Synfig devs

2013-01-07 Thread Yu Chen
Thanks Carlos, now the internal names of these panels are reverted: - Library Panel - Graph Panel - Set Panel - Parameters Panel the hack function to map renamed panels is not needed and removed as well. Cheers! ~ yu -- No one will come, Yu has to make it happen by Yu-self. 2013/1/7

Re: [Synfig-devl] Hi Synfig devs

2013-01-06 Thread Konstantin Dmitriev
2013/1/6 Yu Chen jco...@gmail.com: Updated pull request is here: https://github.com/jcome/synfig/pull/2 merged. I like the change of library_icon :) Ah, I see now. My changes influenced the library icon. ^__^ Thank you! K. -- http://morevnaproject.org/

Re: [Synfig-devl] Hi Synfig devs

2013-01-06 Thread Konstantin Dmitriev
Hi! I continued testing the latest branch and now I have another proposal for change. Please look at the attached screenshot. The strings like Create Advanced Outline Spline sound a bit clumsy. So my proposal is to remove word Spline at the end: * Create Outline Spline - Create Outline * Create

Re: [Synfig-devl] Hi Synfig devs

2013-01-06 Thread Dave Jeffery
Definitely; you don't need the word spline at all. Dave -- Master Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL, ASP.NET, C# 2012, HTML5, CSS, MVC, Windows 8 Apps, JavaScript and much more. Keep your skills current with LearnDevNow -

Re: [Synfig-devl] Hi Synfig devs

2013-01-06 Thread Yu Chen
2013/1/6 Yu Chen jco...@gmail.com Updated pull request is here: https://github.com/jcome/synfig/pull/2 merged. I like the change of library_icon :) Sorry, after play with this branch of Synfig Studio, I found: for the type_canvas, It seems out of the flat and symbolic style of parameter

Re: [Synfig-devl] Hi Synfig devs

2013-01-06 Thread Konstantin Dmitriev
2013/1/7 Yu Chen jco...@gmail.com: Sorry, after play with this branch of Synfig Studio, I found: for the type_canvas, It seems out of the flat and symbolic style of parameter types, and the icon you used is for imported image layer, I don't think it make sense for a canvas. for the

Re: [Synfig-devl] Hi Synfig devs

2013-01-05 Thread Konstantin Dmitriev
Hi! Remember that vector is not the whole metaphor. It is more for 2D coordinate than for vector (in many cases vector means direction and length, which is not the case here). I absolutely agree here. This is my proposal for the vector type icon:

Re: [Synfig-devl] Hi Synfig devs

2013-01-05 Thread Yu Chen
Updated pull request is here: https://github.com/jcome/synfig/pull/2 merged. I like the change of library_icon :) ~yu -- Master Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL, ASP.NET, C# 2012, HTML5, CSS, MVC, Windows 8 Apps,

Re: [Synfig-devl] Hi Synfig devs

2013-01-05 Thread Konstantin Dmitriev
Library icon? 05.01.2013 21:13 пользователь Yu Chen jco...@gmail.com написал: Updated pull request is here: https://github.com/jcome/synfig/pull/2 merged. I like the change of library_icon :) ~yu -- Master

Re: [Synfig-devl] Hi Synfig devs

2013-01-04 Thread jcomee
This one?http://www.easyicon.cn/icondetail/542174/For my taste, I prefer folder(retouched) to box. The box is used for library already :(-- Sent from my HP Pre3On Jan 4, 2013 15:13, Konstantin Dmitriev ksee.zelga...@gmail.com wrote: 2013/1/4 Dave Jeffery david.richard.jeff...@gmail.com: I'll play

Re: [Synfig-devl] Hi Synfig devs

2013-01-04 Thread jcomee
Hi,Yes, there is a new (Layer) Set icon designed, which inherent from Layer icon, and is totally different than old one (blue folder). I sent a picture listed all related icons here few days before( sorry I cannot attach the picture at the moment via my mobile phone mail client.-- Sent from my HP

Re: [Synfig-devl] Hi Synfig devs

2013-01-04 Thread Dave Jeffery
Does this sort of thing look like a pile of layers, if you changed the design? http://www.easyicon.cn/icondetail/19934/ On 4 January 2013 11:47, jco...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Yes, there is a new (Layer) Set icon designed, which inherent from Layer icon, and is totally different than old one

Re: [Synfig-devl] Hi Synfig devs

2013-01-04 Thread Yu Chen
Hi, for better understanding, I upload the icons and the screenshot for your reference. [the icons] https://www.dropbox.com/s/3lekgjb5tv8e2y0/terms%20rework%20icons%2020130104.png [the screenshot] https://www.dropbox.com/s/kqlbf3floiny7gg/terms%20rework%20icons%20Screen%20Shot%202013-01-04.png

Re: [Synfig-devl] Hi Synfig devs

2013-01-04 Thread Yu Chen
and the menu, https://www.dropbox.com/s/d1x7jn1qnnekw5e/terms%20rework%20-%20popup%20menu%20Screen%20Shot%202013-01-04.png And don't forget we should also consider those four actions icons: add/remove to/from set, add to/from group. Sorry for spamming the list :( 2013/1/4 Yu Chen

Re: [Synfig-devl] Hi Synfig devs

2013-01-04 Thread Carlos López González
Escuse me but there is not point on have action_add_to_group icon since it is now renamed to action_add_to_set icon. That action for Groups (old Paste Canvas) doesn't exist. If I remember correctly there is only one related action to layers that was the old encapsulate that is named as Group but

Re: [Synfig-devl] Hi Synfig devs

2013-01-04 Thread Yu Chen
2013/1/4 Carlos López González genet...@gmail.com Escuse me but there is not point on have action_add_to_group icon since it is now renamed to action_add_to_set icon. That action for Groups (old Paste Canvas) doesn't exist. If I remember correctly there is only one related action to layers

Re: [Synfig-devl] Hi Synfig devs

2013-01-03 Thread Yu Chen
2013/1/4 Konstantin Dmitriev ksee.zelga...@gmail.com Blame me as conservator, but for my eye this look - https://dl.dropbox.com/u/15516795/synfig-v2.png is much more pleasing than this https://dl.dropbox.com/u/15516795/synfig-v1.png ^__^ From my point of view, the old version of vector

Re: [Synfig-devl] Hi Synfig devs

2013-01-03 Thread Dave Jeffery
I agree with Konstantin on one icon and with Yu on the other! A flat ball in green in Synfig Studio means a position duck to me, so I'm used to it representing positions. A green disc in the parameters panel represents seems very logical to me, particularly when it represents a green duck on the

Re: [Synfig-devl] Hi Synfig devs

2013-01-03 Thread Yu Chen
2013/1/4 Dave Jeffery david.richard.jeff...@gmail.com I agree with Konstantin on one icon and with Yu on the other! A flat ball in green in Synfig Studio means a position duck to me, so I'm used to it representing positions. A green disc in the parameters panel represents seems very logical

Re: [Synfig-devl] Hi Synfig devs

2013-01-03 Thread Yu Chen
2013/1/4 Konstantin Dmitriev ksee.zelga...@gmail.com We MUST make icon DIFFERENT. So, please, take your time, download the packages, play with the version containing the blue folder icon and post your feedback. Hi Don't make me wrong. I am open for the group icon. Since I am not a daily

Re: [Synfig-devl] Hi Synfig devs

2012-12-30 Thread Konstantin Dmitriev
2012/12/29 Konstantin Dmitriev ksee.zelga...@gmail.com: 2012/12/29 Yu Chen jco...@gmail.com: yes, terms_rework_2 branch is the final one. for terms-rework branch, it was the initial work, and after I got the comments from Carlos and you, I decided to create a new branch instead of

Re: [Synfig-devl] Hi Synfig devs

2012-12-30 Thread Yu Chen
在 2012年12月30日星期日,Konstantin Dmitriev 写道: 2012/12/29 Konstantin Dmitriev ksee.zelga...@gmail.com javascript:;: 2012/12/29 Yu Chen jco...@gmail.com javascript:;: yes, terms_rework_2 branch is the final one. for terms-rework branch, it was the initial work, and after I got the comments

Re: [Synfig-devl] Hi Synfig devs

2012-12-29 Thread Konstantin Dmitriev
2012/12/22 Yu Chen jco...@gmail.com: 2012/12/2 Konstantin Dmitriev ksee.zelga...@gmail.com I've made my comment there too. ^__^ It is done now[1], the old panels name (params, groups, children) in settings file saved by _old_ version of Synfig Studio are now mapped to new ones(parameters,

Re: [Synfig-devl] Hi Synfig devs

2012-12-29 Thread Yu Chen
yes, terms_rework_2 branch is the final one. for terms-rework branch, it was the initial work, and after I got the comments from Carlos and you, I decided to create a new branch instead of terms-rework branch to have a more clean commits. I am really new on git tool :( ~ yu -- No one will

Re: [Synfig-devl] Hi Synfig devs

2012-12-29 Thread Konstantin Dmitriev
2012/12/29 Yu Chen jco...@gmail.com: yes, terms_rework_2 branch is the final one. for terms-rework branch, it was the initial work, and after I got the comments from Carlos and you, I decided to create a new branch instead of terms-rework branch to have a more clean commits. OK, got it. ^__^

Re: [Synfig-devl] Hi Synfig devs

2012-12-24 Thread Konstantin Dmitriev
2012/12/22 Yu Chen jco...@gmail.com: 2012/12/2 Konstantin Dmitriev ksee.zelga...@gmail.com I've made my comment there too. ^__^ It is done now[1], the old panels name (params, groups, children) in settings file saved by _old_ version of Synfig Studio are now mapped to new ones(parameters,

Re: [Synfig-devl] Hi Synfig devs

2012-12-22 Thread Yu Chen
2012/12/2 Konstantin Dmitriev ksee.zelga...@gmail.com I've made my comment there too. ^__^ It is done now[1], the old panels name (params, groups, children) in settings file saved by _old_ version of Synfig Studio are now mapped to new ones(parameters, sets, library), hence the upgrade users'

Re: [Synfig-devl] Hi Synfig devs

2012-12-01 Thread Konstantin Dmitriev
Hi! 2012/12/1 Yu Chen jco...@gmail.com: Hi I am trying to improve the changes according to the comments by Carlos on my previous job in a new branch[1]. As Carlos mentioned[2], this terms rework might broke the settings file saved in previous session. That means after updated from a old

Re: [Synfig-devl] Hi Synfig devs

2012-12-01 Thread david rylander
This went out before it was finished... I'll find some examples and get back... Den 1 dec 2012 18:59 skrev David Rylander rylle...@gmail.com: 2012-12-01 18:42, Konstantin Dmitriev skrev: BTW, can I take a chance and ask to create a custom icon for Make Bine/Region button?

Re: [Synfig-devl] Hi Synfig devs

2012-11-29 Thread Yu Chen
Hi Carlos, Thanks for taking your time on my unprofessional code, I am doing a new branch according to some of your comments for more clear code commits. Cheers! Yu ~ yu -- No one will come, Yu has to make it happen by Yu-self. 2012/11/27 Carlos López González genet...@gmail.com Hi! I've

Re: [Synfig-devl] Hi Synfig devs

2012-11-26 Thread Carlos López González
Hi! I've added several comments on github. Please check out them. Please don't get me wrong. I'm looking just for excellence in our behavior. Good work Jcome! Greetings Carlos 2012/11/27 Yu Chen jco...@gmail.com Hi All, The code is ready for test,

Re: [Synfig-devl] Hi Synfig devs

2012-11-20 Thread Yu Chen
Hi Carlos, ValueBase::type_name() is used when saving canvas,and it will be written in sif file, and it is used in savecanvas.cpp only. How about to make it non-localizable string? And instead, we can make some changes to make ValueBase::type_local_name() localizable, in UI part we should always

Re: [Synfig-devl] Hi Synfig devs

2012-11-20 Thread Carlos López González
Hi Yu, Yes, that would be the best solution. Make those strings translatable in the right place, not in the type_name function. You can remove the translatable strings marks (the N_(...) macros) and add a switch case code inside the type_local_name, repeating the types again. It is not the ideal

Re: [Synfig-devl] Hi Synfig devs

2012-11-18 Thread Yu Chen
Thanks Carlos, That's right to don't touch synfig core code for the UI changes. To solve it, I just insert a new line to canvastreestore.cpp after L210[1]: if(stype== bline_point) {stype=_(spline_point);} Let's take a look at value.cpp L270[2], all the types are marked as translatable

Re: [Synfig-devl] Hi Synfig devs

2012-11-18 Thread Yu Chen
2012/11/5 Carlos López González genet...@gmail.com We should change the code to use the localized version of the parameter name instead of the type name when the English version of Synfig Studio ... when running the non translated version of Synfig Studio, must be other than the literal

Re: [Synfig-devl] Hi Synfig devs

2012-11-18 Thread Carlos López González
Hi Yu, I don't know right now what's the best solution for that. I think that we are trying to fix the fact that some of the translatable strings are types and then we are worried that they are shown on the GUI when using the non translated version of Synfig Studio. Your proposal is to rename

Re: [Synfig-devl] Hi Synfig devs

2012-11-04 Thread Yu Chen
Hi, There is a question need your help: If bline_point, the type name of Spline Point (BLine Point) parameter, is renamed to spline_point according to the change of term BLine . Then, due to the type is written in sif file, the old version of Synfig Studio will not be able to open sif file

Re: [Synfig-devl] Hi Synfig devs

2012-11-04 Thread Carlos López González
There wont be renaming in the core code. Just change the interface, that is, the layer parameter vocabulary *only* at the local names of each parameter. Cheers Carlos El 04/11/2012 08:59, Yu Chen jco...@gmail.com escribió: Hi, There is a question need your help: If bline_point, the type name

Re: [Synfig-devl] Hi Synfig devs

2012-11-04 Thread Yu Chen
It is impossible to rename it in the UI without change in core, see below: NameValue Type Vertex001 | Spline Point | bline_point(Composite) Once we change the bline_point(Composite) to spline_point, sif files saved by new synfigstudio will be changed and can not be open by

Re: [Synfig-devl] Hi Synfig devs

2012-11-04 Thread jcomee
I can't believe that :)Do you try to open sif file created by translated synfigstudio in english version synfigstudio ?-- Sent from my HP Pre3On Nov 5, 2012 0:18, Carlos López González genet...@gmail.com wrote: I dont see that problem in my Spanish version:See attached image.As you can see, it is

Re: [Synfig-devl] Hi Synfig devs

2012-11-04 Thread Carlos López González
There is not problem in open a sif file created with any translated version of SynfigStudio using the translated one or the native English one. The key thing is in the cell renderer that uses the parameter keyname when the translatable string is not available. We should change the code to use the

Re: [Synfig-devl] Hi Synfig devs

2012-10-29 Thread Yu Chen
Typo :) 2012/10/29 Yu Chen jco...@gmail.com and left your thoughts, thank you so much. *leave* your thoughts, thank you so much. -- The Windows 8 Center - In partnership with Sourceforge Your idea - your app - 30

Re: [Synfig-devl] Hi Synfig devs

2012-10-21 Thread Yu Chen
Hi I am doing it. 2012/5/30 Zelgadis ksee.zelga...@gmail.com Encapsulate - Group (icon needs to be reworked: box or folder) Paste Canvas layer - Group layer (icon needs to be reworked: same as above) For Paste Canvas and Inline Canvas, I have one question, should we expose the difference

Re: [Synfig-devl] Hi Synfig devs

2012-10-21 Thread Carlos López González
Hi jcome! welcome to the coding! I think that the code shown is to obtain the local name of the layer. The layer nature doesn't change when the canvas parameter null, inline or exported. In all the cases the local name of the layer is Group Other thing is what should the parameter canvas show

Re: [Synfig-devl] Hi Synfig devs

2012-10-21 Thread Yu Chen
Thanks Carlos, Then I use Group for both Inline and Paste Layer. ~ yu 2012/10/22 Carlos López González genet...@gmail.com Hi jcome! welcome to the coding! I think that the code shown is to obtain the local name of the layer. The layer nature doesn't change when the canvas parameter

Re: [Synfig-devl] Hi Synfig devs

2012-08-30 Thread Yu Chen
Dear all, I don't forget this, but the resource of mine is quite limited during these days, the plan has to be paused till I can manage my time. I am sorry for the delay. And don't make me wrong, if anyone would like to contribue and take this task, please do, and it would be appreciated. ~

Re: [Synfig-devl] Hi Synfig devs

2012-08-30 Thread Konstantin Dmitriev
Hi, Yu! I guess it's me who blocking the progress, because we need to complete step 1 and 2 first (they are assigned to me). I'm afraid that I will be able to work on that only after release of Morevna demo.My apologies for delay! K. 2012/8/30 Carlos López González genet...@gmail.com: Hi Yu!

Re: [Synfig-devl] Hi Synfig devs

2012-06-21 Thread Yu Chen
Hi, Yu! It is me who guilty for the delay - I still haven't got my hands to wiki works (steps 1 and 2). I'm really sorry for that, but I believe you all understand my reasons. ^__^ I'm sure all of us all know your reasons :) that is why I raised my hand. But if you willing to help

Re: [Synfig-devl] Hi Synfig devs

2012-06-21 Thread Zelgadis
2012/6/22 Yu Chen jco...@gmail.com: Hi, Yu! It is me who guilty for the delay - I still haven't got my hands to wiki works (steps 1 and 2). I'm really sorry for that, but I believe you all understand my reasons. ^__^ I'm sure all of us all know your reasons :) that is why I raised my

Re: [Synfig-devl] Hi Synfig devs

2012-05-30 Thread Timothée Giet
2012/5/30 Zelgadis ksee.zelga...@gmail.com OK, I guess it's time for dictator decision and I'm going to take this responsibility. ^___^ Right! The Synfig terminology will be reworked in following way: Duck - Control Point Curves panel - Graphs panel Encapsulate - Group (icon needs to

Re: [Synfig-devl] Hi Synfig devs

2012-05-28 Thread Zelgadis
Hi! 2012/5/27 Carlos Lopez Gonzalez carloslopezgonza...@yahoo.es: My reasons: ... BLinePointSpline item Why this change? for coherence with future suggested Width item and existing Dash item. All them belong to a list like value node so compose it by items is the right way to me to call

Re: [Synfig-devl] Hi Synfig devs

2012-05-26 Thread Yu Chen
~ yu 2012/5/25 Carlos Lopez Gonzalez carloslopezgonza...@yahoo.es Summary of the situation: Waiting the opinion from Yu that is still remaining to be filled, we have agreement on: Curves panel - Graphs panel Encapsulate-Group Paste Canvas layer - Group layer Group - Set Add/remove

Re: [Synfig-devl] Hi Synfig devs

2012-05-26 Thread Yu Chen
The Shape tool is not bad, but I still prefer Line tool to it. Some time user don't want to create a shape but a path, for example, a path of animation action. With Line tool, user can create a line, then it can be defined as a path of action, an outline, a shape, or what ever he want. ~ yu

Re: [Synfig-devl] Hi Synfig devs

2012-05-26 Thread Zelgadis
2012/5/25 Carlos Lopez Gonzalez carloslopezgonza...@yahoo.es: Then I wonder... what is bad with Curves panel? The reason to rename Curves panel is due to the confusion with Curve as geometrical definition but if we agree on call it Spline, what's bad with curves?. Graphs is a more generic

Re: [Synfig-devl] Hi Synfig devs

2012-05-26 Thread Zelgadis
2012/5/26 Yu Chen jco...@gmail.com: BLine line BlinePoint point BLine tool Line tool ... With Line tool, user can create a list of ordered points to define polyline or spline, this line defines an Outline (Outline layer), or a contour line (Region layer). All the points you just created

Re: [Synfig-devl] Hi Synfig devs

2012-05-26 Thread Nikita Kitaev
1. I don't find Shape Tool to be confusing at all. The verb shape is mostly used with abstract concepts (to shape a statement), and sometimes for 3D objects (to shape a piece of clay). In the context of 2D animation, I wouldn't think of it as a verb. Plus, the icon on the toolbox helps identify

Re: [Synfig-devl] Hi Synfig devs

2012-05-25 Thread Zelgadis
2012/5/25 Carlos Lopez Gonzalez carloslopezgonza...@yahoo.es: Summary of the situation: Waiting the opinion from Yu that is still remaining to be filled, we have agreement on: Curves panel - Graphs panel Encapsulate-Group Paste Canvas layer - Group layer Group - Set Add/remove from

Re: [Synfig-devl] Hi Synfig devs

2012-05-25 Thread Carlos Lopez Gonzalez
/curve and mathematically, a curve is a representation of a equation of a single variable (our case) Carlos De: Zelgadis ksee.zelga...@gmail.com Para: synfig-devl@lists.sourceforge.net Enviado: Viernes 25 de Mayo de 2012 18:12 Asunto: Re: [Synfig-devl] Hi

Re: [Synfig-devl] Hi Synfig devs

2012-05-23 Thread David Rylander
2012-05-23 06:37, Zelgadis skrev: Well, after reading the documentation I still come to conclusion that control point is still better than handle. Let's see by example from the same page: I agree. Handle indicates the sometrhing to grab and move to alter a value, i.e. the handles on the side

Re: [Synfig-devl] Hi Synfig devs

2012-05-23 Thread Zelgadis
2012/5/23 David Rylander rylle...@gmail.com: 2012-05-23 06:37, Zelgadis skrev: Well, after reading the documentation I still come to conclusion that control point is still better than handle. Let's see by example from the same page: I agree. Handle indicates the sometrhing to grab and move to

Re: [Synfig-devl] Hi Synfig devs

2012-05-22 Thread Carlos Lopez Gonzalez
Hi guys! First sorry for miss the interesting conversation hold yesterday but I was distracted working on Cairo implementation strategy ^__^ Instead quote to each answer let me do a summary of the redefinition process, my preferences and thoughts. Duck: I am with Nikitakit here. Although

Re: [Synfig-devl] Hi Synfig devs

2012-05-22 Thread Yu Chen
~ yu 2012/5/22 Carlos Lopez Gonzalez carloslopezgonza...@yahoo.es Hi guys! First sorry for miss the interesting conversation hold yesterday but I was distracted working on Cairo implementation strategy ^__^ Instead quote to each answer let me do a summary of the redefinition process, my

Re: [Synfig-devl] Hi Synfig devs

2012-05-22 Thread Timothée Giet
Cool, more answers! :) I agree control point is a bit long, handle is better. Children Panel: Library is ok for me too. Import: I like it like it is. Place sounds strange, import is more meaningful to me. I agree with yu's suggestions regarding icons. You're right there's different icons

Re: [Synfig-devl] Hi Synfig devs

2012-05-22 Thread Zelgadis
I like the Library suggestion! File-Place doesn't looks god for me. For Bline I still like the Curve, but after all arguments the Spline is OK for me. Also I like Nikita's Shape alternative. In fact, the more I think about it, the more I like Shape - Shape Tool sounds good. But if everyone prefers

Re: [Synfig-devl] Hi Synfig devs

2012-05-22 Thread Carlos Lopez Gonzalez
I would like to invite to fill the chart I've made. All you have write rights I think. I won't start any code string substitution until the chart is filled and agreed :-P https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ah8g_H3f7qpZdDR1N0piUThqZ0pySjh3eERzMjBDQVE Zelgadis wrote:

Re: [Synfig-devl] Hi Synfig devs

2012-05-22 Thread Timothée Giet
2012/5/22 Carlos Lopez Gonzalez carloslopezgonza...@yahoo.es I would like to invite to fill the chart I've made. All you have write rights I think. I won't start any code string substitution until the chart is filled and agreed :-P

Re: [Synfig-devl] Hi Synfig devs

2012-05-22 Thread Zelgadis
2012/5/22 Carlos Lopez Gonzalez carloslopezgonza...@yahoo.es: I would like to invite to fill the chart I've made. All you have write rights I think. I won't start any code string substitution until the chart is filled and agreed :-P

Re: [Synfig-devl] Hi Synfig devs

2012-05-21 Thread Timothée Giet
2012/5/13 Yu Chen jco...@gmail.com Hi 1) Regarding encapsulate and group, I have to point out that synfig layer is primitive layer, in other graphics softwares in the world, they are normally defined as objects, take a look at Adobe Illustrator or Inkscape. There is another key point I

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2012-05-21 Thread Zelgadis
Hi! That's me again. ^__^ 2012/5/13 Yu Chen jco...@gmail.com: Hi 1) Regarding encapsulate and group, I have to point out that synfig layer is primitive layer, in other graphics softwares in the world, they are normally defined as objects, take a look at Adobe Illustrator or Inkscape. There

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2012-05-21 Thread David Rylander
2012-05-21 15:09, Zelgadis skrev: I understand, that Encapsulated layer in synfig is not the same as group in other software. BUT, I still insist on renaming to Group and I have a reason for that. Let me share with you my experience of teaching Synfig to kids (age of 14 - 17 years old). I

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2012-05-21 Thread Zelgadis
2012/5/21 David Rylander rylle...@gmail.com: 2012-05-21 15:09, Zelgadis skrev: I understand, that Encapsulated layer in synfig is not the same as group in other software. BUT, I still insist  on renaming to Group and I have a reason for that. Let me share with you my experience of teaching

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2012-05-21 Thread Timothée Giet
Actually I change my mind too, I do agree with Konstantin. Also I don't know in other (proprietary) softwares, but at least in Krita, layer groups act exactly the same (meaning a filter layer has effect only on layers below in the group, same for alpha lock etc… ) so it is consistent to call them

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2012-05-21 Thread Zelgadis
2012/5/21 Timothée Giet anim...@gmail.com: -Bline: Spline (but I agree that Bline did the job, just it's not a real word (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B_Line) ) With Spline we fall into the same situation as with Encapsulate thing - If user have no knowledge of high-mathematics, then Spline

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2012-05-21 Thread Timothée Giet
2012/5/21 Zelgadis ksee.zelga...@gmail.com 2012/5/21 Timothée Giet anim...@gmail.com: -Bline: Spline (but I agree that Bline did the job, just it's not a real word (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B_Line) ) With Spline we fall into the same situation as with Encapsulate thing - If user have

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2012-05-21 Thread Yu Chen
2012/5/21 Timothée Giet anim...@gmail.com Actually I change my mind too, I do agree with Konstantin. Also I don't know in other (proprietary) softwares, but at least in Krita, layer groups act exactly the same (meaning a filter layer has effect only on layers below in the group, same for

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2012-05-21 Thread Timothée Giet
Interesting research Yu, but I still think that whe should rename encapsulate to group. Here's my point: -Layers are meant to organize the visual ordering of the composition (which object is above or below the other…compositing) (Ok, compared to other softwares, our layers here are limited to 1

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2012-05-21 Thread Nikita Kitaev
I like the suggestions here. From the current list, I agree with: Cpoint - Color Stop Encapsulate - Group Groups - Sets Control points seems too long for such a common term: especially in phrases like tangent control point. Shortening it to controls or just points may not work (controls is

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2012-05-13 Thread Carlos Lopez Gonzalez
so helpful giving strong decisions on which to use. -G De: Timothée Giet anim...@gmail.com Para: synfig-devl@lists.sourceforge.net Enviado: Viernes 11 de Mayo de 2012 15:22 Asunto: Re: [Synfig-devl] Hi Synfig devs Cool, I'm glad you agree with this Genete

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2012-05-13 Thread Zelgadis
as in all applications. Yes, we should add this to the list. K. De: Timothée Giet anim...@gmail.com Para: synfig-devl@lists.sourceforge.net Enviado: Viernes 11 de Mayo de 2012 15:22 Asunto: Re: [Synfig-devl] Hi Synfig devs Cool, I'm glad you agree

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2012-05-13 Thread Timothée Giet
So for now we agree on: -Control points : OK (genete: I like the handle idea too, but let's shoose control point if everyone agree… is still more precise, and I think it works well also for all kind of points, as they are still here to control something. And it fits Inkscape terminology. On this

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2012-05-13 Thread Yu Chen
Hi 1) Regarding encapsulate and group, I have to point out that synfig layer is primitive layer, in other graphics softwares in the world, they are normally defined as objects, take a look at Adobe Illustrator or Inkscape. There is another key point I have to mention capsulated layers are not

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2012-05-13 Thread Yu Chen
typo: renaming inline canvas/encapsulate to Group can help but impede a user to catch synfig concept quickly. renaming inline canvas/encapsulate to Group can not help but impede a user to catch synfig concept quickly. ~ yu 2012/5/13 Yu Chen jco...@gmail.com Hi 1) Regarding encapsulate

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2012-05-11 Thread Zelgadis
De: Timothée Giet anim...@gmail.com So first topic, we discussed with Zelgadis at LGM about fixing the terminology used in Synfig, as in some place we could use more specific terms, that could fit better, be less confusing, and so enhance the synfig experience. So first I'd like to know if

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2012-05-11 Thread Timothée Giet
Cool, I'm glad you agree with this Genete. About the variables names, I don't have much to say as I don't really code myself, so it's up to you to decide if it's needed. Thanks for the list Zelgadis, here is my opinion: -Duck → Control point = OK (Although the name of Ducks will probably stay in

[Synfig-devl] Hi Synfig devs

2012-05-10 Thread Timothée Giet
Hi! This is my first post on the synfig dev mailing list. To introduce me quickly, I'm Timothée Giet aka Animtim (and aka Satrip on synfig forum and some other places) French graphic artist, loving free software and free culture… So first topic, we discussed with Zelgadis at LGM about fixing the

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2012-05-10 Thread Carlos Lopez Gonzalez
: Timothée Giet anim...@gmail.com Para: synfig-devl@lists.sourceforge.net Enviado: Jueves 10 de Mayo de 2012 13:44 Asunto: [Synfig-devl] Hi Synfig devs Hi! This is my first post on the synfig dev mailing list. To introduce me quickly, I'm Timothée Giet aka Animtim (and aka Satrip on synfig forum