Re: [Talk-hr] OSM predavanje za DORS/CLUC-u ?

2011-04-14 Thread hbogner
On 03/30/2011 09:13 AM, Valent Turkovic wrote: Ekipa da li netko sprema predavanje o OSM-u na DORS/CLUC konferenciji? http://dorscluc.org/ Predlažem da ako pripremate neko predavanje vam ja pomognem oko uvodnog dijela i odradim uvod tipa OSM for Dummies te onda prepustim ostatak predavanja vama

[talk-ph] Fwd: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 begins Sunday

2011-04-14 Thread maning sambale
-- Forwarded message -- From: Michael Collinson m...@ayeltd.biz Date: Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 5:39 AM Subject: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 begins Sunday To: OSM talk t...@openstreetmap.org OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 begins this Sunday. A full

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Questions about CTs 1.2.4

2011-04-14 Thread Robert Whittaker (OSM)
On 13 April 2011 23:06, Francis Davey fjm...@gmail.com wrote: Clause 2 is a grant for certain rights. From previous discussion here, can I assume that I can agree if I'm not the copyright holder, and that I only grant the rights I can under the licence I received the data under? That depends

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Acceptable licences and splitting account edits

2011-04-14 Thread Ed Avis
James Livingston lists@... writes: Using my account I have added data that is under various licences, some of which will and some of which won't be compatible with ODbL. To be able to keep any of it, I'll presumably need to split my changesets up. If Francis Davey's answer in another thread on

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Acceptable licences and splitting account edits

2011-04-14 Thread Robert Whittaker (OSM)
On 13 April 2011 22:24, James Livingston li...@sunsetutopia.com wrote: With the upcoming requirement to accept/decline the contributor terms, I thought it was about time to figure out whether and how I can agree to them. I've had a look around but can't see any FAQs for the contributor terms,

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Questions about CTs 1.2.4

2011-04-14 Thread Francis Davey
On 14 April 2011 08:54, Robert Whittaker (OSM) robert.whittaker+...@gmail.com wrote: If I'm reading what Francis has written correctly, this would seem to be a very real problem with CT 2.2.4, which would prevent us using almost any source which wasn't PD or for which the contributor didn't

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Questions about CTs 1.2.4

2011-04-14 Thread Robert Whittaker (OSM)
On 14 April 2011 09:34, Francis Davey fjm...@gmail.com wrote: Strictly speaking, you can make use of them, but contributors are (i) in breach of contract in contributing that material and (ii) may (in some circumstances) infringe copyright by authorising OSMF to do acts which are infringements

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Questions about CTs 1.2.4

2011-04-14 Thread Francis Davey
On 14 April 2011 09:57, Robert Whittaker (OSM) robert.whittaker+...@gmail.com wrote: Has this option been considered by OSMF and/or LWG? It, or something like it, has been mooted from time to time. There's no reason why it could not be made to work legally. Two issues might arise: (1)

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Questions about CTs 1.2.4

2011-04-14 Thread David Groom
- Original Message - From: Robert Whittaker (OSM) robert.whittaker+...@gmail.com To: Licensing and other legal discussions. legal-talk@openstreetmap.org Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2011 8:54 AM Subject: Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Questions about CTs 1.2.4 On 13 April 2011 23:06, Francis

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Questions about CTs 1.2.4

2011-04-14 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 04/14/2011 09:54 AM, Robert Whittaker (OSM) wrote: If I'm reading what Francis has written correctly, this would seem to be a very real problem with CT 2.2.4, which would prevent us using almost any source which wasn't PD or for which the contributor didn't own the copyright. In

Re: [OSM-talk] stat pr0n

2011-04-14 Thread Martijn van Exel
Well, if there is a will, there will be a way. Be it in the user pages / an OSMF hosted web site or outside. How about we pick up this topic at an upcoming hack weekend? I think badges are important to have for our dying community ;) To get started, I created a wiki page.

[OSM-talk] Australian Disaster 2.0 (Un)Conference

2011-04-14 Thread Shoaib Burq
Hi Folks In the quite recesses of a Sydney neighborhood an (un)conference is being planned for Sat. the 21st of May. The topic is Bridging the Gap - Disaster Response. As the name suggests the aim is to bring together people with formal responsibility to respond to disasters and communities such

Re: [OSM-talk] Mapping huge lakes as coastline

2011-04-14 Thread Jukka Rahkonen
Teemu Koskinen teemu.koskinen at mbnet.fi writes: I converted a few of the biggest lakes in Finland a few years ago to coastlines, and they worked fine, until last year some other user converted them to multipolygons with natural=water -tags. He also splitted the biggest lake (Päijänne)

Re: [OSM-talk] Mapping huge lakes as coastline

2011-04-14 Thread Jukka Rahkonen
Jukka Rahkonen jukka.rahkonen at latuviitta.fi writes: By the way, i checked that the biggest lake polygon in the data of the National land survey of Finland is the lake Saimaa, and it has exactly 287273 vertices and more than 5000 islands. It is a bit heavy to handle in PostGIS and Oracle

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 Pre-Announcement

2011-04-14 Thread Michael Collinson
On 12/04/2011 22:59, SomeoneElse wrote: On 12/04/2011 19:56, Michael Collinson wrote: As part of the process, the legal wording of the Contributor Terms has been improved [3] on the basis of community feedback received and to make them more friendly to individual contributors. The

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 Pre-Announcement

2011-04-14 Thread John Smith
On 14 April 2011 19:56, Michael Collinson m...@ayeltd.biz wrote: Don't forget this is a pre-announcement! The technical implementation is ongoing thanks to Tom, Matt and Grant. The revised contributor terms should now be live and I have just got the go ahead to be able to announce that the

Re: [OSM-talk] CC-BY-SA still available?

2011-04-14 Thread Michael Collinson
Hi Ed, On 13/04/2011 16:15, Ed Avis wrote: Michael Collinsonmikeat ayeltd.biz writes: If you are a user of OpenStreetMap data, this does not affect you. OpenStreetMap data continues to be licensed only under CC-BY-SA and this will continue until we reach a critical mass of acceptance of

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 Pre-Announcement

2011-04-14 Thread SomeoneElse
On 14/04/2011 10:56, Michael Collinson wrote: The revised contributor terms should now be live and I have just got the go ahead to be able to announce that the mandatory Accept/Decline will be switched on on Sunday. Thanks Mike - I spotted that they'd changed last night. Cheers, Andy

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 Pre-Announcement

2011-04-14 Thread Tom Hughes
On 14/04/11 11:11, John Smith wrote: On 14 April 2011 19:56, Michael Collinsonm...@ayeltd.biz wrote: Don't forget this is a pre-announcement! The technical implementation is ongoing thanks to Tom, Matt and Grant. The revised contributor terms should now be live and I have just got the go

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 Pre-Announcement

2011-04-14 Thread John Smith
On 14 April 2011 22:20, Tom Hughes t...@compton.nu wrote: If you mean that currently there is no decline button for existing contributors then that is a feature, not a bug. When making a decision becomes mandatory on Sunday there will be a decline button. I reported it several messages back.

[OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 begins Sunday

2011-04-14 Thread Michael Collinson
OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 begins this Sunday. A full announcement has gone to the Announce list and there is full information at the Find out more about OpenStreetMap's upcoming license change http://www.osmfoundation.org/wiki/License/We_Are_Changing_The_License link on

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 Pre-Announcement

2011-04-14 Thread Tom Hughes
On 14/04/11 13:32, John Smith wrote: On 14 April 2011 22:20, Tom Hughest...@compton.nu wrote: If you mean that currently there is no decline button for existing contributors then that is a feature, not a bug. When making a decision becomes mandatory on Sunday there will be a decline button.

[OSM-talk] Some tiles not rendering?

2011-04-14 Thread Nakor
Hello, It looks like some tiles are not rendering. For instance http://b.tile.openstreetmap.org/17/35226/48373.png/status has been due to be rendered for the last 24 hours when http://b.tile.openstreetmap.org/15/8816/12104.png/status has been updated today. Why would some tile render and

Re: [OSM-talk] Some tiles not rendering?

2011-04-14 Thread Vladimir Vyskocil
Hi, You can see here : http://munin.openstreetmap.org/openstreetmap/yevaud.openstreetmap/index.html#renderd that the render queue is filed, and if I understand it well new render requests are rejected until the render queue decrease... Vlad. On 14 avr. 2011, at 15:16, Nakor wrote: Hello,

Re: [OSM-talk] Some tiles not rendering?

2011-04-14 Thread Nakor
On 4/14/2011 9:40 AM, Vladimir Vyskocil wrote: Hi, You can see here : http://munin.openstreetmap.org/openstreetmap/yevaud.openstreetmap/index.html#renderd that the render queue is filed, and if I understand it well new render requests are rejected until the render queue decrease... Vlad.

Re: [OSM-talk] Some tiles not rendering?

2011-04-14 Thread Thomas Davie
On 14 Apr 2011, at 14:44, Nakor wrote: On 4/14/2011 9:40 AM, Vladimir Vyskocil wrote: Hi, You can see here : http://munin.openstreetmap.org/openstreetmap/yevaud.openstreetmap/index.html#renderd that the render queue is filed, and if I understand it well new render requests are

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 Pre-Announcement

2011-04-14 Thread Anthony
On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 8:37 PM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: the contract you signed when accepting older versions CTs will of course not be changed or automatically updated by newer versions of these CTs (like the current one). But that does not necessarily imply that

Re: [OSM-talk] CC-BY-SA still available? (was: OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 Pre-Announcement)

2011-04-14 Thread Anthony
On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 10:28 AM, Dermot McNally derm...@gmail.com wrote: I guess the problem with continuing to allow CC distribution of the data is that that would leave OSM unprotected in those jurisdictions where CC isn't recognised for map data. 1) What jurisdictions would that be? 2) If

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 begins Sunday

2011-04-14 Thread Eric Marsden
mc == Michael Collinson m...@ayeltd.biz writes: mc In summary: This only affects you if you are an OpenStreetMap mc contributor who registered before 12th May 2010 and have not taken mc part in our voluntary re-licensing program. Before being able to mc edit, you will have accept or

Re: [OSM-talk] CC-BY-SA still available?

2011-04-14 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi Anthony, Anthony wrote: I guess the problem with continuing to allow CC distribution of the data is that that would leave OSM unprotected in those jurisdictions where CC isn't recognised for map data. 1) What jurisdictions would that be? 2) If the license isn't recognized, doesn't

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 begins Sunday

2011-04-14 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Eric Marsden wrote: It is not clear to me, from your message or from what I have read on the wiki, whether choosing Decline is a irreversible decision, or whether one would still be able later to accept the licence + CT. Decline is reversible. Accept isn't. Once we've got you, we'll

Re: [OSM-talk] Android app that has OS 1:25000?

2011-04-14 Thread Andrew Gregory
On 12 April 2011 21:08, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com wrote: On 12/04/2011 01:54, Andrew Gregory wrote: Vespucci 0.7.0 (released a few days ago) has added OS Historic 1:25K. Is that what you're after? Thanks for the reply but It's the current 1:25k that I'm after. Although I use OSM

Re: [OSM-talk] Some tiles not rendering?

2011-04-14 Thread Nakor
Also from the graph it looks like the queue when almost empty during the past 24 hours so why would the tile not be rendered in that case? Really? The queue has been full 18 hours a day or more for the past two weeks. Bob Sorry I was not clear The queue went almost empty (for some

Re: [OSM-talk] Some tiles not rendering?

2011-04-14 Thread Peter Wendorff
Hi Nakor. As far as I know the queue is the whole knowledge about tiles which have to be rerendered. If a tile has to be rerendered due to a changeset, that tile is submitted to the queue exactly once, at the time the queue management reads that changeset. If the queue is full at that time,

Re: [OSM-talk] Some tiles not rendering?

2011-04-14 Thread Svavar Kjarrval
Why is the queue not enhanced to avoid instances where tile-rendering queries are rejected due to a full queue? With regards, Svavar Kjarrval On 04/14/2011 03:15 PM, Peter Wendorff wrote: Hi Nakor. As far as I know the queue is the whole knowledge about tiles which have to be rerendered. If

Re: [OSM-talk] Some tiles not rendering?

2011-04-14 Thread Nakor
On 4/14/2011 11:15 AM, Peter Wendorff wrote: Hi Nakor. As far as I know the queue is the whole knowledge about tiles which have to be rerendered. If a tile has to be rerendered due to a changeset, that tile is submitted to the queue exactly once, at the time the queue management reads that

Re: [OSM-talk] Some tiles not rendering?

2011-04-14 Thread Ian Dees
How would you enhance the queue? Make it longer? How much longer? On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 10:29 AM, Svavar Kjarrval sva...@kjarrval.iswrote: Why is the queue not enhanced to avoid instances where tile-rendering queries are rejected due to a full queue? With regards, Svavar Kjarrval On

Re: [OSM-talk] Some tiles not rendering?

2011-04-14 Thread Joseph Reeves
You can, I believe, right click on a tile and do view image (in Firefox at least, it may be different in whatever browser you use). This brings up a URL such as: http://tile.openstreetmap.org/14/8149/5492.png add /dirty to the end: http://tile.openstreetmap.org/14/8149/5492.png/dirty Request

Re: [OSM-talk] Some tiles not rendering?

2011-04-14 Thread Lennard
Nakor wrote: Thanks for the explanations. So that means that the particular tiles that got rejected because the queue was full could stay due to be rendered forever supposing there are no more changes made to the data they conatin? Not forever, but until such a time that somebody requests the

Re: [OSM-talk] Some tiles not rendering?

2011-04-14 Thread Svavar Kjarrval
Enhancing the queue is not meant neccesserily to make it longer. Although I should've referred to the queueing process to be more clear. As Andrew pointed out, a really long queue can cause latency issues in regards to rendering so that's not such a good idea. There are at least two ways to

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 begins Sunday

2011-04-14 Thread john whelan
Unfortunately I some of my edits used some sources that looked fine under the for CC-by-SA terms but on closer inspection of the ODBL terms, which was done after I blindly followed the advice of another contributor, I am not at all comfortable that the work would stand up legally for CC-by-ODBL

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 Pre-Announcement

2011-04-14 Thread Nathan Edgars II
Nathan Edgars II wrote: Mike Collinson wrote: If you were a contributor before this date and have not accepted yet, you will be asked to accept or decline the new terms. You can find background information about this on the main wiki page [2]. If you use an off-line editor like

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 Pre-Announcement

2011-04-14 Thread ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen
You can also just do like me and many others and abandon *submitting* data end start *using* OSM data. OSM was made to use data and not to contribute: Create a innovative application or use geodata (OSM) in a surprising way. And since some of us want to make it more difficult to contribute to OSM

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 Pre-Announcement

2011-04-14 Thread Dermot McNally
On 14 April 2011 18:12, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com wrote: Nathan Edgars II wrote: What happens in the future if I decline? Can I accept at a later date? Since there has been no response to this, I plan to: *hold off on accepting or declining with my NE2 account *create a new

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 Pre-Announcement

2011-04-14 Thread Nathan Edgars II
Dermot McNally wrote: On 14 April 2011 18:12, Nathan Edgars II lt;nerou...@gmail.comgt; wrote: Nathan Edgars II wrote: What happens in the future if I decline? Can I accept at a later date? Since there has been no response to this, I plan to: *hold off on accepting or declining with

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 Pre-Announcement

2011-04-14 Thread Grant Slater
On 12 April 2011 21:11, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com wrote: What happens in the future if I decline? Can I accept at a later date? Yes you can accept at a later date. Regards Grant Part of LWG. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 Pre-Announcement

2011-04-14 Thread andrzej zaborowski
On 14 April 2011 19:50, Dermot McNally derm...@gmail.com wrote: But your suggested course of action has me confused - you are happy to make contributions under the new CT and intend to do so, but yet you wish to vote against the change. Your choice, I supposed. I see it logical. Wanting to

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 begins Sunday

2011-04-14 Thread Grant Slater
On 14 April 2011 17:26, john whelan jwhelan0...@gmail.com wrote: Unfortunately I some of my edits used some sources that looked fine under the for CC-by-SA terms but on closer inspection of the ODBL terms, which was done after I blindly followed the advice of another contributor, I am not at

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 Pre-Announcement

2011-04-14 Thread Grant Slater
On 14 April 2011 19:05, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com wrote: I oppose the change, primarily because of the damage it will cause. I've already seen what removing small amounts of data will do (http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2011-March/057318.html) and do not wish to see

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 Pre-Announcement

2011-04-14 Thread Dermot McNally
On 14 April 2011 19:05, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com wrote: Thank you. Do you speak for the OSMF? No - hence my silence and no doubt that of others when you asked before. But I have been following the licence issue attentively and have seen this question answered more than once from

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 Pre-Announcement

2011-04-14 Thread Dermot McNally
On 14 April 2011 19:12, andrzej zaborowski balr...@gmail.com wrote: I see it logical.  Wanting to contribute to the currently biggest, most fun free map, with most impact on the industry and a name you got used to, you soon will have no choice other than to do so under then new CT because

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 Pre-Announcement

2011-04-14 Thread Mike N
On 4/14/2011 2:20 PM, Grant Slater wrote: The revert script used to remove Anthony's edits (which were traced from Google) was a basic revert script which only used API methods. There were also mistakes made like reverting the items anthony had deleted only after most of the cleanup/improvement

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 begins Sunday

2011-04-14 Thread andrzej zaborowski
On 14 April 2011 18:26, john whelan jwhelan0...@gmail.com wrote: Unfortunately I some of my edits used some sources that looked fine under the for CC-by-SA terms but on closer inspection of the ODBL terms, which was done after I blindly followed the advice of another contributor, I am not at

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 Pre-Announcement

2011-04-14 Thread Nathan Edgars II
Dermot McNally wrote: I applaud your ethics, but it seems to me that your chosen course of action, unless you do intend to accept at a later stage for your existing account, I do, if we get to the point where we are removing data. -- View this message in context:

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 begins Sunday

2011-04-14 Thread David Groom
- Original Message - From: andrzej zaborowski balr...@gmail.com To: john whelan jwhelan0...@gmail.com Cc: OpenStreetMap talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2011 7:34 PM Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 begins Sunday On 14

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 Pre-Announcement

2011-04-14 Thread Grant Slater
On 14 April 2011 19:33, Mike N nice...@att.net wrote: On 4/14/2011 2:20 PM, Grant Slater wrote: The revert script used to remove Anthony's edits (which were traced from Google) was a basic revert script which only used API methods. There were also mistakes made like reverting the items

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 Pre-Announcement

2011-04-14 Thread Alex Ruddick
I am of exactly the same mind of NEII on this. When the OSMF holds the gun to my head, I will eventually Accept. Until then, I'd like to keep my 'data vote' opposed in order to slow down the impending train wreck as long as possible. My contributions aren't as numerous as his

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 Pre-Announcement

2011-04-14 Thread Mike N
On 4/14/2011 3:18 PM, Alex Ruddick wrote: If NEII's (and others) are removed, we can add the United States to Australia as 'countries the OSMF is willing to sacrifice.' NEII: Please don't participate in any high risk sports or activities, at least until all this is resolved. g

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 Pre-Announcement

2011-04-14 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Thu, 14 Apr 2011 18:50:22 +0100 Dermot McNally derm...@gmail.com wrote: But your suggested course of action has me confused - you are happy to make contributions under the new CT and intend to do so, but yet you wish to vote against the change. Your choice, I supposed. There are 2 distinct

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 Pre-Announcement

2011-04-14 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Thu, 14 Apr 2011 20:10:19 +0100 Grant Slater openstreet...@firefishy.com wrote: I am sure there are going to be a few cases where difficult decisions are going to have to be made. We will not have been the only open source project to have had to make these sorts of decisions. The OSM

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 Pre-Announcement

2011-04-14 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Thu, 14 Apr 2011 19:24:28 +0100 Dermot McNally derm...@gmail.com wrote: So by all means state your opinion and by all means share your opinions with other mappers. But if, once a consensus is clear, The Community comes out in favour of the change, many of us will think very ill of people

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 Pre-Announcement

2011-04-14 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Alex Ruddick wrote: I am of exactly the same mind of NEII on this. When the OSMF holds the gun to my head, I will eventually Accept. Until then, I'd like to keep my 'data vote' opposed in order to slow down the impending train wreck as long as possible. Do you expect any positive

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 Pre-Announcement

2011-04-14 Thread Grant Slater
On 14 April 2011 21:46, Elizabeth Dodd ed...@billiau.net wrote: On Thu, 14 Apr 2011 20:10:19 +0100 Grant Slater openstreet...@firefishy.com wrote: I am sure there are going to be a few cases where difficult decisions are going to have to be made. We will not have been the only open source

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 Pre-Announcement

2011-04-14 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Grant Slater wrote: Part of Sysadmin Team, LWG Member, Data Working Group, Server order guy, van driver and mapper. ^^ Lizard man! Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09 E008°23'33 ___ talk mailing list

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 Pre-Announcement

2011-04-14 Thread Nathan Edgars II
Frederik Ramm wrote: There are regions in OSM where a visible no vote will lead to your data being re-surveyed and replaced by other contributors rather quickly. This is vandalism and should be reverted. Frederik Ramm wrote: It's a hard language to use. We don't want to lose any

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 Pre-Announcement

2011-04-14 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
How else would you define the foundation? The OSMF is a not-for-profit company registered in England and Wales, the foundation has no paid staff and it is made up exclusively of unpaid volenteers. The OSMF board is made up of democratically elected volenteers. I am not an OSMF apologist,

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 Pre-Announcement

2011-04-14 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Thu, 14 Apr 2011 23:10:40 +0200 Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: We're not sacrificing countries. We saw that we have built our project on (legal) sand, and we're moving to rectify the situation. The patient may lose some tissue about this but he will live, and after the wounds

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 begins Sunday

2011-04-14 Thread David Murn
On Thu, 2011-04-14 at 16:49 +0200, Frederik Ramm wrote: Hi, Eric Marsden wrote: It is not clear to me, from your message or from what I have read on the wiki, whether choosing Decline is a irreversible decision, or whether one would still be able later to accept the licence + CT.

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 Pre-Announcement

2011-04-14 Thread David Murn
On Thu, 2011-04-14 at 20:10 +0100, Grant Slater wrote: I am sure there are going to be a few cases where difficult decisions are going to have to be made. We will not have been the only open source project to have had to make these sorts of decisions. Out of interest Grant, what other

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 Pre-Announcement

2011-04-14 Thread David Murn
On Thu, 2011-04-14 at 18:50 +0100, Dermot McNally wrote: But your suggested course of action has me confused - you are happy to make contributions under the new CT and intend to do so, but yet you wish to vote against the change. Your choice, I supposed. Its not terribly confusing from here.

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 Pre-Announcement

2011-04-14 Thread Dermot McNally
On 14 April 2011 23:38, David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au wrote: Its not terribly confusing from here.  What he is suggesting, is creating an account to contribute 'clean' data, which he is prepared to agree to OSMF's terms about.  What he is voting against, is OSMF using previously created

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 Pre-Announcement

2011-04-14 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, David Murn wrote: Out of interest Grant, what other large-scale open source projects have changed their licence the way that OSM has? In fact, changed their licence full-stop..? Wikipedia went from GFDL to CC-BY-SA. Mozilla changed from MPL-only to MPL/GPL/LGPL. Zope changed from a

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 Pre-Announcement

2011-04-14 Thread David Murn
On Thu, 2011-04-14 at 23:53 +0100, Dermot McNally wrote: On 14 April 2011 23:38, David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au wrote: Its not terribly confusing from here. What he is suggesting, is creating an account to contribute 'clean' data, which he is prepared to agree to OSMF's terms about.

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 begins Sunday

2011-04-14 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, David Murn wrote: What about if you become aware that once youve got someone, who has agreed and who has contributed tainted data? Will you (or someone else wielding the magical OSMF+3 wand) reverse it? If data is tainted in a way that makes in incompatible with the currently used

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 begins Sunday

2011-04-14 Thread john whelan
If data is tainted in a way that makes in incompatible with the currently used license then it will have to be removed in order not to put the project at risk (e.g. data copied from proprietary sources). This is independent of the license change. I assume that the currently used license means to

Re: [OSM-talk] CC-BY-SA still available?

2011-04-14 Thread Frederik Ramm
David, David Murn wrote: Did I just seriously read that right? *Sigh* You know as well as I do that Anthony is a troll with a long history, here and elsewhere. He knows perfectly well, because he has been told a thousand times, that one of the countries where CC-BY-SA doesn't work for our

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 begins Sunday

2011-04-14 Thread John Smith
On 15 April 2011 00:49, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Hi, Eric Marsden wrote: It is not clear to me, from your message or from what I have read on the wiki, whether choosing Decline is a irreversible decision, or whether one would still be able later to accept the licence +

[OSM-talk] Why I am declining (for now) Re: OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 Pre-Announcement

2011-04-14 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 4/14/2011 7:08 PM, David Murn wrote: So, please feel free to tell me where I invented anything? I never said anything about the reason being because my old contributions were tainted. I do understand the dilemma faced by those, but, as far as I know, every change I made can be relicensed

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 Pre-Announcement

2011-04-14 Thread Dermot McNally
On 15 April 2011 00:08, David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au wrote: So, please feel free to tell me where I invented anything? Right here: What he is voting against, is OSMF using previously created data which is not practical to split the 'clean' from 'tainted'. As quoted in my earlier mail.

Re: [OSM-talk] Mapping huge lakes as coastline

2011-04-14 Thread Michal Migurski
On Apr 14, 2011, at 1:52 AM, Jukka Rahkonen wrote: Teemu Koskinen teemu.koskinen at mbnet.fi writes: I converted a few of the biggest lakes in Finland a few years ago to coastlines, and they worked fine, until last year some other user converted them to multipolygons with natural=water

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 begins Sunday

2011-04-14 Thread David Murn
On Fri, 2011-04-15 at 01:08 +0200, Frederik Ramm wrote: Hi, David Murn wrote: What about if you become aware that once youve got someone, who has agreed and who has contributed tainted data? Will you (or someone else wielding the magical OSMF+3 wand) reverse it? If data is tainted in

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 begins Sunday

2011-04-14 Thread John Smith
On 15 April 2011 12:51, David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au wrote: This was a question in regards to whether you will reverse the selection of someone accepting the new licence/terms, if you (or they) become aware the data is tainted. Wouldn't breach of clause 1 break the entire contract ?

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 begins Sunday

2011-04-14 Thread andrzej zaborowski
On 14 April 2011 21:06, David Groom revi...@pacific-rim.net wrote: - Original Message - From: andrzej zaborowski balr...@gmail.com Under the Contributor Terms 1.2.4 I believe it will be the OpenStreetMap Foundation's responsibility to remove such data before switching the license, you

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Veerse Meer

2011-04-14 Thread Lennard
On 14-4-2011 22:17, Robert Elsenaar wrote: Is er iets mis gegaan met de 3dShapes import in Zeeland? Het Veerse meer is wel erg wittig. Ik denk dat deze blauw moet zijn. In ieder geval lag er laatst nog water en water is blauw toch? Waarom moet de import nu weer de (vermoedelijke) schuld

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Veerse Meer

2011-04-14 Thread Lennard
On 14-4-2011 22:29, Lennard wrote: Die import is al van lang geleden, ergens vorig jaar. De huidige drooglegging zal dus niets anders zijn dan een mapper aan het werk. Zo, gefixt. De enige werkbare methode was het reverten van een berg changesets van Tavernsenses. Het enige dat sneuvelde,

[talk-au] Australian Disaster 2.0 (Un)Conference

2011-04-14 Thread Shoaib Burq
Hi Folks In the quite recesses of a Sydney neighborhood an (un)conference is being planned for Sat. the 21st of May. The topic is Bridging the Gap - Disaster Response. As the name suggests the aim is to bring together people with formal responsibility to respond to disasters and communities such

Re: [Talk-de] Kein Quellen-/Lizenzhinweis

2011-04-14 Thread Matthias Julius
bundesrainer o...@bundesrainer.de writes: Am 13.04.2011 15:37, schrieb Tobias Knerr: Am 13.04.2011 15:13, schrieb Alexander Matheisen: Macht sie irgendwie unglaubwürdig... Dass sie unabhängig von OSM sogar ihre eigenen Inhalte unter CC-BY-SA stellen, würde ich positiv hervorheben. Dass sie

Re: [Talk-de] Kein Quellen-/Lizenzhinweis

2011-04-14 Thread NopMap
Tordanik wrote: Ich gehe mal von einem Versehen aus, doch gerade eine Seite, die sich mit verwandten Themen beschäftigt und auch ihre eigenen Inhalte unter eine freie Lizenz stellt, sollte da eigentlich stärker drauf achten. Im Allgemeinen wird die Namensnennung nicht als Kernbestandteil

Re: [Talk-de] Darstellung von geotagged Bildern in OSM

2011-04-14 Thread hardyy
Habe mich überall registriert und hoffe daß es nicht mehr klemmt!. -- View this message in context: http://gis.638310.n2.nabble.com/Darstellung-von-geotagged-Bildern-in-OSM-tp5614338p6272220.html Sent from the Germany mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

[Talk-de] Lizenzwechsel Phase 3 beginnt am Sonntag

2011-04-14 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hallo, diese Nachricht betrifft nur diejenigen Benutzer, die sich vor dem 12. Mai 2010 angemeldet haben und die den neuen Contributor Terms noch nicht zugestimmt haben. Bislang kann man ja nur ja zur neuen Lizenz und den Contributor Terms sagen - nicht nein. Das wird sich am kommenden

Re: [Talk-de] Lizenzwechsel Phase 3 beginnt am Sonntag

2011-04-14 Thread Hanno Böck
Am Thu, 14 Apr 2011 14:44:49 +0200 schrieb Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org: Auch, wer nein ankreuzt, darf (vorerst) weiter editieren, und kann es sich ggf. spaeter noch anders ueberlegen. Darf ich mal anmerken, dass ich deutlich Zweifel hab, dass das irgendeinen Sinn ergibt? (mal böse

Re: [Talk-de] Lizenzwechsel Phase 3 beginnt am Sonntag

2011-04-14 Thread Manuel Reimer
Frederik Ramm wrote: diese Nachricht betrifft nur diejenigen Benutzer, die sich vor dem 12. Mai 2010 angemeldet haben und die den neuen Contributor Terms noch nicht zugestimmt haben. Also mich eigentlich nicht, da bereits zugestimmt. Auch, wer nein ankreuzt, darf (vorerst) weiter editieren,

[Talk-de] Mapnik deutscher Kartenstil: fehlende Bezeichnung von Flüssen

2011-04-14 Thread yobiSource
Hallo, ich erstelle gerade SLD Styles für Geoserver und orientiere mich dabei am deutschen Mapnik Kartenstil. Mir ist dabei aufgefallen das in der Datei layer-water.xml.inc (im Gegensatz zum englischen Stil) waterway=river keine Bezeichnung hat aber drain und ditch sehr wohl. Hat das einen

Re: [Talk-de] Mapnik deutscher Kartenstil: fehlende Bezeichnung von Flüssen

2011-04-14 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
Am 14. April 2011 18:51 schrieb yobiSource yobisou...@googlemail.com: Hallo, ich erstelle gerade SLD Styles für Geoserver und orientiere mich dabei am deutschen Mapnik Kartenstil. Mir ist dabei aufgefallen das in der Datei layer-water.xml.inc (im Gegensatz zum englischen Stil)

Re: [Talk-de] Lizenzwechsel Phase 3 beginnt am Sonntag

2011-04-14 Thread Chris66
Am 14.04.2011 18:37, schrieb Manuel Reimer: Genau dieser Zwitter-Zustand, der jetzt schon ewig andauert, beginnt zumindest mich so langsam zu nerven. +1 Wenn man wirklich ODBL will, dann verstehe ich nicht, dass man Nicht-Zustimmer noch editieren lässt. Chris

Re: [Talk-de] Lizenzwechsel Phase 3 beginnt am Sonntag

2011-04-14 Thread Henning Scholland
Am 14.04.2011 19:44, schrieb Chris66: Am 14.04.2011 18:37, schrieb Manuel Reimer: Genau dieser Zwitter-Zustand, der jetzt schon ewig andauert, beginnt zumindest mich so langsam zu nerven. +1 Wenn man wirklich ODBL will, dann verstehe ich nicht, dass man Nicht-Zustimmer noch editieren lässt.

Re: [Talk-de] Lizenzwechsel Phase 3 beginnt am Sonntag

2011-04-14 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hallo, Hanno Böck wrote: Weiter: Gibt es noch den Plan, alle User, die nicht reagieren, anzumailen? Das scheint mir äußerst sinnvoll, da ich davon ausgehe, dass viele, die früher mal aktiv waren, nichts gegen einen Lizenzwechsel haben, aber davon schlicht nichts mitbekommen haben. Ja, den

Re: [Talk-de] Lizenzwechsel Phase 3 beginnt am Sonntag

2011-04-14 Thread Torsten Leistikow
Frederik Ramm schrieb am 14.04.2011 14:44: Wer sich fuer Details zum Lizenzwechsel interessiert, der kann neben den Informationen im Wiki auch meinen Vortrag von letzter Woche auf der FOSSGIS-Konferenz anschauen: Folien... http://www.geofabrik.de/media/2011-04-06-fossgis-lizenzwechsel.pdf

[Talk-de] itoworld Layers

2011-04-14 Thread Johannes Huesing
Die neuen Hervorhebungen von ITO World sind ziemlich schmuck, aber es wird wieder etwas als Fehler gebrandmarkt, was hier viele nicht als Fehler empfinden. Mir ist hier http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/ITO_Map#Buildings_and_addresses aufgefallen. Gebäudeumrisse, die keine Hausnummer und keinen

Re: [Talk-de] Lizenzwechsel Phase 3 beginnt am Sonntag

2011-04-14 Thread Rainer Knaepper
Frederik Ramm schrieb: http://openstreetmap.org/user/terms Knuffig ist, daß ich einer rechtsverbindlichen Vereinbarung zustimmen soll, die ich nicht verstehe. Rainer ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org

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