Re: [OSM-talk] software requirements for OSM Editor: Firefox

2023-10-06 Thread Brian M. Sperlongano
This is not OSM's problem to solve. Ancient web browser slowly becomes unusable = expected behavior. On Fri, Oct 6, 2023, 7:26 AM Martin Trautmann wrote: > On 23-10-06 12:55, Tom Hughes via talk wrote: > > No it was released in June 2020. October 2021 was the last > > security patches. > > > >

Re: [OSM-talk] Proposed bulk removal of service=driveway2

2023-06-27 Thread Brian M. Sperlongano
Since there seems to be community consensus for the removal, I have notified the main proponent at: https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/130249355 And also opened a matching thread on the community forum. On Tue, Jun 27, 2023 at 6:07 AM Andy Townsend wrote: > On 25/06/2023 00:02, Bria

Re: [OSM-talk] Proposed bulk removal of service=driveway2

2023-06-24 Thread Brian M. Sperlongano
On Mon, Sep 5, 2022 at 12:00 PM Tobias Knerr wrote: > On 03.09.22 at 12:52, Simon Poole wrote: > > Anyway IMHO this would seem to make more sense as a maproulette > > challenge or osmose warning than a bulk edit given the number is quite > > manageable and at least some of the objects can probabl

Re: [OSM-talk] Intercultural differences / cultural diversity / OSM communication behaviors

2023-05-03 Thread Brian M. Sperlongano
On Wed, May 3, 2023 at 3:38 PM Mike Thompson wrote: > On Wed, May 3, 2023, 1:00 PM Brian M. Sperlongano > wrote: > >> I would caution against hyper-simplifying the combativeness of >> the mailing lists >> > I am not sure using a term such as "combative"

Re: [OSM-talk] Intercultural differences / cultural diversity / OSM communication behaviors

2023-05-03 Thread Brian M. Sperlongano
I would caution against hyper-simplifying the combativeness of the mailing lists as "cultural differences". I can think of several German participants on Slack and Discord that dispel this stereotype. Similarly, I can think of several American commenters who are notoriously abrasive on the mailing

Re: [OSM-talk] Survey about OSM communication behaviors

2023-04-30 Thread Brian M. Sperlongano
On Sun, Apr 30, 2023 at 1:06 PM Courtney wrote: > This conversation has opened up important new questions. Why is the main > "Talk" channel the only one that is producing pushback? Why is it the only > one that is producing such a negative tone? > > I don't understand the degree of ire and fra

Re: [OSM-talk] replace some obviously mistaken surface values by their clear intended meaning

2023-02-11 Thread Brian M. Sperlongano
I agree with the proposed edits. On Sat, Feb 11, 2023 at 12:58 PM Mateusz Konieczny via talk < talk@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > Errata: paragraph 4 from the bottom should be > > "There is no point in manual drudgery here, with values clearly > replaceable by better matches." > > sorry, I copied w

Re: [OSM-talk] Dubious websites added to tourist attractions?

2023-02-02 Thread Brian M. Sperlongano
Looks like most of these have been cleaned up but there's a couple left: https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/1qU8 On Thu, Feb 2, 2023 at 11:13 AM Dave F via talk wrote: > Hi > > You may wish to take a look at these changesets by a single contributor to > decide if you think these are dubious websites

Re: [OSM-talk] Should we be mapping transformers and powerlines?

2023-01-18 Thread Brian M. Sperlongano
Navigational landmarks while hiking. On Wed, Jan 18, 2023, 10:17 PM john whelan wrote: > Perhaps you could expand on the benefits of mapping them? > > Thanks John > > On Wed, Jan 18, 2023, 10:09 PM stevea, wrote: > >> I'd like to say "oh, please..." because this seems a bit harsh. But I >> und

Re: [OSM-talk] Use of "Proprietary" imagery to edit OSM

2022-10-30 Thread Brian M. Sperlongano
On Sun, Oct 30, 2022 at 9:00 PM Minh Nguyen wrote: > Vào lúc 07:11 2022-10-30, Greg Troxel đã viết: > > But then the company doing the editing should document which company's > > imagery and which revision year they are using. Things should be as > > transparent as possible, and this doesn't fe

Re: [OSM-talk] razed railways and other things that don't exist today

2022-10-25 Thread Brian M. Sperlongano
On Tue, Oct 25, 2022 at 1:45 PM Colin Smale wrote: > Are underground pipelines and electricity transmission cables just as > controversial? They are covered over, built on, and completely unobservable > from the surface. They may also have been taken out of service many decades > ago. > In the U

Re: [OSM-talk] razed railways and other things that don't exist today

2022-10-25 Thread Brian M. Sperlongano
On Tue, Oct 25, 2022 at 4:37 AM Frederik Ramm wrote: > in the spirit of friendly collaboration I would say that a limited amount > of > stuff-that-should-not-be-in-OSM can be *tolerated*. If someone does a > lot of good work for OSM otherwise and would really like to record an > ancient former ra

Re: [OSM-talk] Your experience in reaching out to Maps.me users ?

2020-11-12 Thread Brian M. Sperlongano
, 12 lis 2020, 17:56 użytkownik Brian M. Sperlongano < > zelonew...@gmail.com> napisał: > >> I downloaded and made a test edit (adding an address to a local POI) with >> maps.me just now to understand how it works. It does at least make you >> log in to OSM. I entere

Re: [OSM-talk] Your experience in reaching out to Maps.me users ?

2020-11-12 Thread Brian M. Sperlongano
I downloaded and made a test edit (adding an address to a local POI) with maps.me just now to understand how it works. It does at least make you log in to OSM. I entered in a comment on the change, however, I note that maps.me overwrote my user-entered comment with a generic comment in the change

[OSM-talk] Use of area/relation icons on boundaries

2020-10-29 Thread Brian M. Sperlongano
Hello, I've been working to improve various pages on the Wiki. I've encountered inconsistencies in how the "area" and "relation" icons are used in the wiki documentation of boundary relations. It's not clear which of the two icons should be used when describing tags that may be applied to bounda

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Carto not updating

2020-06-28 Thread Marc M.
Le 28.06.20 à 14:23, Ture Pålsson a écrit : >> 27 juni 2020 kl. 17:20 skrev Marc M. : >> Le 27.06.20 à 17:04, ET Commands a écrit : >>> Is something wrong with the OSM Carto servers? >> one diff freeze the update >> sequenceNumber=4082799 >> timestamp=2020

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Carto not updating

2020-06-28 Thread Marc M.
Le 28.06.20 à 00:25, Lynn W. Deffenbaugh (Mr) a écrit : > Where is #osm-dev?  on irc://irc.oftc.net/osm-dev info about irc/web/mnatrix client https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/IRC ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetm

Re: [OSM-talk] Facebook acquires crowdsourced mapping company Mapillary

2020-06-27 Thread Marc M.
Le 26.06.20 à 14:09, Florian Lohoff a écrit : >> I don't care about SLA. Does OSM have SLA? > The point is when you distribute your storage to people at > home we will have at most 10% of images online all the time. what facts are you basing that number on ? The worst internet connection I have ha

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Carto not updating

2020-06-27 Thread Marc M.
Hello, Le 27.06.20 à 17:04, ET Commands a écrit : > Is something wrong with the OSM Carto servers? one diff freeze the update sequenceNumber=4082799 timestamp=2020-06-26T19:17:02Z ppl on #osm-dev are working on this. Regards, Marc ___ talk mailing lis

Re: [OSM-talk] Facebook acquires crowdsourced mapping company Mapillary

2020-06-26 Thread Marc M.
Hello, Le 26.06.20 à 12:42, Florian Lohoff a écrit : > this is NOT a trivial no one said it is trivial, or it would be over by now. but some of us try more positive alternatives than "sitting down and doing nothing because it's impossible". maybe it will succeed, maybe it will only be 1/10th of w

Re: [OSM-talk] Facebook acquires crowdsourced mapping company Mapillary

2020-06-25 Thread Marc M.
Le 25.06.20 à 16:16, Florian Lohoff a écrit : > Mapillary themselves say on their web pages that they already > have 1,199,363,907 images. Thats 3515625 GB or 3.5TB Data > assuming 3MByte per image. 3 500 000 GB ~ 3 500 TB ~ 3.5 PB ? ~100k€ ~100k$ hardware cost for the storage. or 1000 people sha

Re: [OSM-talk] Facebook acquires crowdsourced mapping company Mapillary

2020-06-20 Thread Marc M.
Le 20.06.20 à 12:28, Andy Mabbett a écrit : > Were you not aware that your contributions to OSM, and Mapilary, are > already under an open licence, which allows anyone - including > Facebook - to reuse them, even commercially? having the right to download images is not at all the same thing as, fo

Re: [OSM-talk] Could/should editors detect/disallow huge changeset bboxes?

2020-06-12 Thread Marc M.
Le 12.06.20 à 13:00, Frederik Ramm a écrit : > desirable imho yes, including offline editor like maps.me, when a contributor edit one object at the airport of departure and another at the airport of arrival, both in the same changeset. ___ talk mailing

Re: [OSM-talk] fake mapping

2020-06-09 Thread Marc M.
> it is useful to add something like > note=edited based on survey or survey:date= in the hope than one day, editor 'll warn a mapper if his source is older than the previous one. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreet

Re: [OSM-talk] VANDALISM !

2020-06-07 Thread Marc M.
Hello, Le 07.06.20 à 15:07, 80hnhtv4agou--- via talk a écrit : > how do you put it all back ? giving a link to get a neutral opinion is often a good idea :) the first time, just put a public message on the changeset. there is the revert plugin in josm to cancel all the changes. if it happens agai

Re: [OSM-talk] CyclOSM Lite a new cycling infrastructure map layer

2020-05-26 Thread Marc M.
Hello, Le 26.05.20 à 17:52, Hartmut Holzgraefe a écrit : > it doesn't even really matter: such rows should be > visible in the overlay, even if simply rendered the same > as "normal" cycleways ... on the contrary, it probably matters ! I'm not surprised that a tag that is incomprehensible outsid

Re: [OSM-talk] CyclOSM Lite a new cycling infrastructure map layer

2020-05-26 Thread Marc M.
Hello, Le 26.05.20 à 09:36, Hartmut Holzgraefe a écrit : > I'm missing highway=bicycle_road being rendered only one https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/highway=bicycle_road :) why it isn't a highway=cycleway ? Regards, Marc ___ talk mailing list t

Re: [OSM-talk] Proposed mechanical edit - remove tracking parameters

2020-05-13 Thread Marc M.
Hello, I agree the idea and thank you for doing the operation, can you highlight on the wiki the key and the logic ? it seem to be key : website url source (but not contact:website heritage:website brand:website source:website operator:website was:website ?) target : "fbclid", "gclid", "c

[OSM-talk] [Mecanical edit] booking=yes|required|no|recommended|only -> reservation=*

2020-04-21 Thread Marc M.
Hello, in 2018, a contributor created a wiki page for the page booking=* quickly it appeared that the documented values are exactly the same as the reservation key. a discussion took place with this contributor who agreed to switch to the reservation key since it was much more common. the fr commu

Re: [OSM-talk] Proposed new status for tags in the wiki: "import" for undiscussed tags that were only used by an import

2020-03-17 Thread Marc M.
Hello Joseph, it may give the impression that this is the way it should be done. I agree to identify these "Noise" or poor quality tags, but with a keyword to show that it's a problem. e.g. status=bad, disputed, error, ... it would be necessary to find a word that is not as strong as error, but wh

Re: [OSM-talk] fixme=name

2020-03-12 Thread Marc M.
Hello, Volker Schmidt wrote > draw attention to the fact that she > has inserted a place without knowing the name not setting a name=* tag do the same, without telling other that your personal wish must be done. otherwise another contributor will add fix=lit when he doesn't know if the street is

Re: [OSM-talk] Announcing Daylight Map Distribution

2020-03-11 Thread Marc M.
Mikel Maron wrote : > "you don't really know what you're talking about" is a rude thing to say. it why I said "I get the impression that..." > And expressing a belief that FB is not capable of doing this to a small, or > even large degree, is not based on any factual inquiry of what they've don

Re: [OSM-talk] #AttributionIsNotOptional experiment on OSM France tile servers

2020-03-11 Thread Marc M.
Hello, Simon Poole wrote > it is clear that using a neutral message and clear ToUs, > is definitely less risky than an aggressive > message without ToUs. I fully agree with that. so I suggest that we include in the ToU : - the "caller" may include a means of contact in its call to the tiles ( pa

Re: [OSM-talk] Announcing Daylight Map Distribution

2020-03-10 Thread Marc M.
Michal Migurski wrote > Only those edits which have been validated to contain no malicious vandalism > or unintentional errors so we can show them in our display maps I get the impression that you don't really know what you're talking about. There are many "complaints" that FB does not respond en

Re: [OSM-talk] Changeset Governance [was: Announcing Daylight Map Distribution]

2020-03-10 Thread Marc M.
Hello, Sören Reinecke wrote : > created a wikipage for it. See > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Changeset/Governance . a changeset with survey info is source=survey, not source=local knowleadge and putting a source on the changeset is not mandatory but a very good pratice Apart from that, a

[OSM-talk] Features for OpenStreetCam JOSM plugin?

2017-05-09 Thread m
Hi all, We’ve been steadily improving the JOSM plugin for OpenStreetCam. Recently we added the option to go to a nearby photo regardless of the trip that it’s part of. At lower zooms you can now see a line to see which ways have coverage. Also we added caching features that can be controlled u

[OSM-talk] MapRoulette newsletter

2017-03-27 Thread m
Hi all, I am working on a monthly MapRoulette newsletter. You can read the March edition in my diary: http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/mvexel/diary/40756 Thanks to everyone who tried MapRoulette recently and also to everyone who made ne

[OSM-talk] MapRoulette news

2017-03-09 Thread m
Hi all, There has been quite a bit of activity in MapRoulette lately. Both small fixes to MapRoulette itself and also new challenges and folks working hard to fix stuff in OSM through MapRoulette. So I decided to capture that in a newsletter and add some links to interesting / new challenges. I

Re: [OSM-talk] Fixing broken multipolygons

2017-03-03 Thread m
Jochen Topf now has technology in place that does this specifically for buildings. Perhaps he can do the same for other types and help you publish? Martijn > On Mar 3, 2017, at 10:07 AM, Clifford Snow wrote: > > Martijn, > I noticed a number of riverbanks with self-intersecting ways in the PNW

Re: [OSM-talk] Fixing broken multipolygons

2017-03-03 Thread m
Since the ‘self-intersecting’ challenge is now complete I featured the ‘Wrong role’ challenge in MapRoulette. Happy fixing! Martijn > On Feb 25, 2017, at 2:04 AM, Manfred A. Reiter wrote: > > Hi Martijn, > > 2017-02-24 23:35 GMT+01:00 mailto:m...@rtijn.org>>: > I made the challenge ‘Featured’

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] MapRoulette questionnaire

2017-03-02 Thread m
28, 2017, at 11:34 AM, m...@rtijn.org wrote: > > Hi all, > > I put together a small questionnaire about MapRoulette. Your opinions and > ideas are really important for future development of the project, so if you > have used MapRoulette, I would appreciate a few minutes of yo

[OSM-talk] MapRoulette questionnaire

2017-02-28 Thread m
Hi all, I put together a small questionnaire about MapRoulette. Your opinions and ideas are really important for future development of the project, so if you have used MapRoulette, I would appreciate a few minutes of your time to fill it out. Anyone who leaves their email is automatically enro

Re: [OSM-talk] Fixing broken multipolygons

2017-02-24 Thread m
I made the challenge ‘Featured’ in MapRoulette so it becomes easier to spot. What a mess in some places I looked at…Please help fix! Martijn > On Feb 22, 2017, at 1:07 AM, Jochen Topf wrote: > > On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 07:44:18PM +0100, Sebastiaan Couwenberg wrote: >> On 02/21/2017 05:40 PM, Jo

[OSM-talk] Response to discussion about OSM and local mappers article

2015-06-17 Thread Erica M Hagen
I’m really glad to see all this discussion sparked by my post, which I have enjoyed reading. I’m sorry I wasn’t on this list to reply directly to many posts. (My article is here in case you did not see https://medium.com/@ricaji/openstreetmap-mapping-power-to-the-people-e938c38da93d

Re: [OSM-talk] Combined bicycle & footway

2011-08-22 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/8/21 Richard Fairhurst : > Tomas Straupis wrote: >> I would like such combined ways to indicate that they are >> created for BOTH cyclists and walkers (especially then this >> would include segregated ones). > > They do indicate that. That's what the blue dots mean. > > A better suggestion wou

Re: [OSM-talk] What does this symbol mean?

2011-08-06 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/8/6 Nathan Edgars II : >> There is 7 lift gates, one after the other, on a motorway? > > It's a ramp to a reversible lane that's only open at certain times of the > day. Look at the Bing aerial. Yes, I can understand that there is a lift gate, but 7 in a row, which you have to pass one after

Re: [OSM-talk] What does this symbol mean?

2011-08-05 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/8/5 Nathan Edgars II : > On 8/5/2011 5:31 PM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: >> http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/54459361 >> What is that symbol that appears along the way? > > Never mind - I hadn't noticed that the nodes were tagged barrier=lift_gate. There is 7 lift gates, one after the ot

Re: [OSM-talk] Id stability

2011-08-02 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/8/2 Ian : > On Tuesday, August 2, 2011 10:14:13 AM UTC-5, Gregor Horvath wrote: >> Now if this node (point on a map) is replaced with another one by a >> fellow mapper (for whatever reason), I think it would be a progress if >> ID 1381574156 points to the new node instead of vanishing. > Who o

[OSM-talk] API misuse at Flickr, WAS: Id stability

2011-08-01 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/8/1 Toby Murray : > Flickr does this too, by the way: > http://code.flickr.com/blog/2009/09/28/thats-maybe-a-bit-too-dorky-even-for-us/ according to this blog entry from 2009 Flickr is using the main API to get tag information of OSM objects. Isn't this a misuse of the API which should be re

Re: [OSM-talk] Commenting and thumbs up/down feature for changesets

2011-07-29 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/7/28 Frederik Ramm : > > I hope that I'll soon be able to set up a prototype of this feature and then > we can all look at it together and we'll have a much better idea how it > feels in practice. depending on how the mapper structures his work it might also often be desirable to have more g

Re: [OSM-talk] Use of official names Re: shortened names

2011-07-28 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/7/28 Kay Drangmeister : > Yup, my favourite is Europe's most important country: > http://osm.org/go/0B2j- > covering the country name for UK, Germany, and other nearby countries :-D If you're referring to Belgium: they actually do have 3 official names. Not sure how to deal "correctly" with

Re: [OSM-talk] Use of official names Re: shortened names

2011-07-28 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/7/28 Joseph Reeves : >>4. although the tag name is used by Mapnik and others, please don't fulfill >> the tag "name" for the renderers > > Likewise, my favourite annoyance tagging a place name with the English and > the Arabic [1]: This is IMHO a hint where we could improve the rendering to

Re: [OSM-talk] Use of official names Re: shortened names

2011-07-28 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/7/28 Nathan Edgars II : > Then the process for finding the name would need to include traveling the > entire length of the road and looking at each sign. Because of sign > inconsistency, one would end up with parallel streets, some abbreviated and > some not. Because of sign inconsistency ma

Re: [OSM-talk] Use of official names Re: shortened names

2011-07-28 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/7/28 Colin Smale : > It sounds like there are three types of street name: > 1) Official, as decided by the Powers That Be > 2) Signed, as displayed on the signs > 3) Colloquial, as people habitually use > > So which one do we put in "name=*", and what do we do with the others? 1) should gene

Re: [OSM-talk] shortened names

2011-07-27 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/7/28 Richard Mann : > "name" is what is on (the majority of) the signs name is the name. Or what would be the name if the sign-majority was defined and there were 2 differing signs? nil? Or if there was 1 sign and that was spellt wrong? Signs are indices, but they contain errors and bugs lik

Re: [OSM-talk] shortened names

2011-07-27 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
...but the point is that here the name seems to be "St Albans" so why should we be the only ones to expand it? cheers, Martin ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] shortened names

2011-07-27 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/7/27 Kay Drangmeister : > Am 27.07.2011, 12:01 Uhr, schrieb Richard Fairhurst : >> >> every native English speaker would >> pronunce St in that context as 'saint'. That, to me, is a pretty >> conclusive >> argument that we should tag "St". > > Alas, and in German "St" abbreviates "Sankt" (whic

Re: [OSM-talk] lat and lon in the db

2011-07-27 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/7/27 Kenneth Gonsalves : > on querying the db, I get the lat and lon of a particular place as: > lat 145921624 lon 864071554 > > but the map shows the correct figures: > lat 12.9954832  lon 77.6208684 I guess these coordinates are the same, the first are the coordinates in your projection th

Re: [OSM-talk] shortened names

2011-07-26 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/7/26 Richard Fairhurst : > Mind you, British English orthography is also that Martin has an "a" in it, > not a "∡". ;) Hello Rich∡rd, orthography doesn't apply to names, but Martin as my name is, has indeed no ∡ in it. I just put it there on a whim. Interestingly humans don't have a problem

Re: [OSM-talk] shortened names

2011-07-26 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/7/26 Robin Paulson : > does anyone here know what st albans in uk is actually called then? > > i've been told it's st albans, not saint albans as i 'corrected' it to I think it is actually written "St Albans" as stated above. cheers, Martin ___ t

Re: [OSM-talk] mapnik bug? construction bridge site (over the water)

2011-07-18 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/7/18 Thomas Davie : > At least in my mental model of how rendering is expected to work, layer= > should have priority over *all* other rendering order stuff. then you can file a ticket for the mapnik OSM-style. The makers of that style have decided to ignore the layer tags in some cases, e.

Re: [OSM-talk] Orphaned Relations

2011-07-18 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/7/18 Richard Fairhurst : > If you really care about empty relations, you are welcome to submit a patch > to P2 that automatically deletes relations when they're set to 0 members > (and undeletes them if you undo that action), of course! you could have empty relations (no own members) with ta

Re: [OSM-talk] Commenting and thumbs up/down feature for changesets

2011-07-18 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/7/13 Dave F. : > On 11/07/2011 22:42, Frederik Ramm wrote: >>   I just stumbled across a changeset where someone helpfully added a >> "toilet:access=customers" to 1350 pubs in the Greeater London area (thereby >> adding no information but freshening the time stamp of the objects, giving >> the

Re: [OSM-talk] Orphaned Relations

2011-07-18 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/7/17 Sarah Hoffmann : > Question remains what to do with the existing orphaned relations. > Is there any legimate use for them or would it be save to simply > delete them all? I would ask the last editors to verify them, and let them delete those in the case they are not needed. I suspect th

Re: [OSM-talk] Topo Pirineos - or lots of new material to trace/import in the Pyrenees

2011-07-11 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/7/9 Felix Hartmann : > As we're > still under CCBYSA 2.0, people can use it to trace rivers and trails to OSM > :-) while the data is still distributed under cc-by-ca you cannot enter data any more in cc-by-sa only. All current contributions most also be compatible with odbl and the ct.

Re: [OSM-talk] shortened names

2011-07-10 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/7/7 Jochen Topf : > On Thu, Jul 07, 2011 at 03:35:07PM +1200, Robin Paulson wrote: >> is there any consensus on shortening of parts of names?... >> i was under the impression consensus was to type the full word, then >> renderers would shorten where necessary? apparently some mappers >> disagr

Re: [OSM-talk] adding multiple relations (bus routes) to one road

2011-07-06 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/7/6 Pieren : > The alternative is to put the intersection nodes and end-nodes of the route. > This has the big advantage that ways are not split any more for some > abstract features like "routes" (and you don't have to add a 2nd relation to > rebuild the road). But it has the disadvantage tha

Re: [OSM-talk] Sister Projects

2011-07-05 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/7/5 Matthias Meisser : > Am Dienstag, den 05.07.2011, 19:48 +0200 schrieb M∡rtin Koppenhoefer: >> Maybe we can also open a discussion about this "related projects" >> list. IMHO googlemapmaker - although having a similar approach - is >> not "related to

Re: [OSM-talk] Sister Projects

2011-07-05 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/7/5 Frederik Ramm : > Maybe we should simply have a link "Related Projects" pointing to > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Related_Project in this location? Maybe we can also open a discussion about this "related projects" list. IMHO googlemapmaker - although having a similar approach - is

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Emitter

2011-07-05 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
While I think that this is generally not a bad idea, I'd still expect that the data has not the average positional quality OSM usually has. Martijn van Exel gave a talk at Wherecamp-EU in Berlin about the same topic (twitter to osm) and in the following discussion the consensus was towards a interm

Re: [OSM-talk] Featured mapping, parks

2011-07-04 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/7/4 Josh Doe : > On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 10:21 AM, colliar wrote: >> >> Am 04.07.2011 02:09, schrieb Josh Doe: >> > >> > http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=38.76211&lon=-77.29749&zoom=15&layers=M >> > <http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=

Re: [OSM-talk] Multiple versions of same node in changeset

2011-06-26 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/6/25 Frederik Ramm : > If you're editing in a place where you have reason to believe that you're > not the only one, uploading often isn't too bad a habit - reduces the > likelihood of conflicts! Yes, but is there a point of doing this within the same changeset? Cheers, Martin

Re: [OSM-talk] the map on osm.org - airstrips showing only at zoom 10

2011-06-25 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/6/25 John Smith : > Wasn't there some discussion about that before, how important airports > such as LAX should show sooner than regional airports which should > show up sooner than grass airstrips. Yes, the discussions and proposals are endless for this. Suggestions are usually that you sho

Re: [OSM-talk] License/CT issues: Let's not punish the world's disadvantaged, pls.

2011-06-23 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/6/23 Tobias Knerr : > "If you distribute [...] any Derivative Works or Collective Works, You > must keep intact all copyright notices for the Work and give the > Original Author credit reasonable to the medium or means [...]. > -- Tobias Knerr I understand from this that the individual cont

Re: [OSM-talk] Can I say "yes" to the ODbL if I can't account for 100% of my data?

2011-06-16 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/6/17 Steve Bennett : > On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 3:00 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer > Source is disputed? By whom? I've never heard any dispute about it? I > put a source tag on every single object I create, and try and update > it when I modify it. It is not completely useless bu

Re: [OSM-talk] Can I say "yes" to the ODbL if I can't account for 100% of my data?

2011-06-16 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/6/16 Toby Murray : > On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 4:37 AM, Graham Stewart (GrahamS) > wrote: >> >> and that the source tag is certainly recommended, but not enforced. > > There is no such thing as an "enforced tag" in OSM. If you choose not > to use a tag then that is your choice. Not using a sour

Re: [OSM-talk] Question about contributor terms and derived contributions

2011-06-16 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/6/16 Andreas Perstinger : > If there is just *one* single object near your way which isn't based on a > ccbysa node/way, then you could always argue IMHO that you've measured the > location of your way from this object (JOSM has a measurement tool with you > can use for distances and angles).

Re: [OSM-talk] Issues with OSM import to postgis

2011-06-13 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/6/13 Zolt Egete : > C:\Users\z.egete\tmp\osm2pgsql>osm2pgsql -U postgres -S default.style -d gisa > -H 10.1.1.63 D:\planet-100127.osm osm2pgsql SVN version 0.69-21289M > I have tried with (-s, -u as well separately and have used -C 3000 at one > time but no success) > Any hint about it ? Th

Re: [OSM-talk] Issues with OSM import to postgis

2011-06-13 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
the official site should work: http://planet.openstreetmap.org/ the latest is this: http://planet.openstreetmap.org/planet-latest.osm.bz2 and the md5 is here: http://planet.openstreetmap.org/planet-latest.osm.bz2.md5 cheers, Martin ___ talk mailing lis

Re: [OSM-talk] Issues with OSM import to postgis

2011-06-13 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/6/13 Zolt Egete : > Hello > > Thank you for the quick reply > I will give it a try without the -u option not to use the UTF-8 sanitize and > will let you know the results as soon as I have some > > As far as other map files are concerned I have downloaded a few ones but > this is the only one

Re: [OSM-talk] Issues with OSM import to postgis

2011-06-13 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/6/13 Zolt Egete : > Are there any alternatives to osm2pgsql maybe something that ? There are alternatives to osm2pgsql (e.g. imposm, osmosis) but they do not do the same thing so it depends what you want to do with your database (which scheme you want to have) which you should choose. Actua

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing Maps are amazing.

2011-06-13 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/6/13 Stephan Knauss : > needs Silverlight that is really amazing... I don't have silverlight so I only get their dumb standard map... cheers, Martin ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Rendering error on Mapnik

2011-06-09 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/6/9 Saphy Mo : > I think you are right. > What should I do? Can I avoid all shapefile and use just only information as > OSM in the database? > Or should I wait until better shapefile will be accessible? First thing would be to check the coastline, if it still has this error or was corrected

Re: [OSM-talk] Rendering error on Mapnik

2011-06-09 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/6/9 Hendrik Oesterlin : > There is a rendering error in India > > http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=13.01&lon=75.31&zoom=8&layers=M > > screenshot at http://oesterlin.ile.nc/div/mapnik_error.png > > I did not figure out the reason for this. I guess this is a

Re: [OSM-talk] Airspace & Co.

2011-06-07 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/6/7 Lester Caine : > Perfect example of something that should be possible to implement as a > completely separate database, but which can overlay any other OSM data? +1 cheers, Martin ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.open

Re: [OSM-talk] Scholarship program to State of the Map 2011

2011-06-03 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/6/3 Richard Welty : > for countries in the visa waiver program (most (all?) of the EU, > Japan, South Korea, Australia, others, see link below) visas > are not required, but an ESTA (Electronic System for Travel > Authorization) is. +1, you need an electronic passport (RFID) with biometric d

Re: [OSM-talk] Better Bing imagery in Potlatch?

2011-05-31 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/5/30 colliar : >> Yes, that did the trick for mee too. It was on 17. > > Maybe a ticket on josm trac asking for a high default level would be useful. +1, in some urban areas the zoom goes up to level 21. cheers, Martin ___ talk mailing list talk@

Re: [OSM-talk] Bridge relation on way going under?

2011-05-31 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/5/29 Borbus : > I think a much more useful application than those suggested already is > to identify all of the bridges that cross over a way.  It's easy to find > all of the ways that go under a way, but what use is that?  It's quite > important for waterways in general to be able to find eve

Re: [OSM-talk] Tracks and there place in society

2011-05-23 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/5/21 Greg Troxel : > That said, highway= implies that the object is a public or private way > (US terms, but usable by the public), except for highway=service and > highway=track. actually a highway=* is any kind of way, and access by the public might only be implied if no other access is t

Re: [OSM-talk] Unlicensed use of the logo in iPhone app?

2011-05-19 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/5/19 Russ Nelson : > Thomas Davie writes: >  > On 18 May 2011, at 07:04, Russ Nelson wrote: >  > > can Ken assign copyright in the logo to OSMF. >  > >  > He can, but I see no reason why he should (other than if he >  > particularly wants to).  The point of the licensing of this project >  > i

[OSM-talk] Banner for SOTM-EU on the startpage?

2011-05-19 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
I wonder if it would not be nice to have a banner for SOTM-EU on the start page. As the page is already crowded, this could maybe appear only if the user is logged in (because then the infotext below the logo is not displayed). An example banner can be seen e.g. on http://www.openstreetmap.de/ (in

Re: [OSM-talk] Unlicensed use of the logo in iPhone app?

2011-05-18 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/5/17 Nic Roets : > I think we should also see our trademarks as an indicator of "free > content". So any product that overlays non free content onto the map > should be disallowed from using our trademarks. That should exclude > most ad supported products (as ads are typically non free), but w

Re: [OSM-talk] Unlicensed use of the logo in iPhone app?

2011-05-17 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/5/17 Russ Nelson : > If you don't restrict use, you don't have a trademark -1, you have a trademark when it is registered. This has nothing to do with whether you enforce restricted use or not. You can at any time restrict the use. > But all is not lost. It's still licensed CC-By-SA, so an

Re: [OSM-talk] Unlicensed use of the logo in iPhone app?

2011-05-16 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/5/16 Grant Slater : > On 16 May 2011 14:54, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: >> Is there an informal policy? If I am displaying an OSM based map, am I >> generally entitled/allowed to use the logo ("OSM inside") in my >> application / on my website? >> &

Re: [OSM-talk] Unlicensed use of the logo in iPhone app?

2011-05-16 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/5/16 Grant Slater : > On 16 May 2011 13:14, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: >> btw.: is there a text similar to the tile usage policy (logo usage >> policy)? > No, there is no formal policy document. There was discussion of > adopting http://www.ubuntu.com/aboutus/trademarkp

Re: [OSM-talk] Unlicensed use of the logo in iPhone app?

2011-05-16 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/5/15 Grant Slater : > On 14 May 2011 22:46, Yann Coupin wrote: >> Hi, >> >> Just spotted that new app which is using osm's logo as the app's icon. I'm >> pretty sure this is unlicensed use and it should be taken down but I don't >> know who should start the dialog with the dev and/or apple.

Re: [OSM-talk] Breaking up is hard to do (was New Logo in the Wiki)

2011-05-05 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/5/5 Peter Wendorff : > Am 05.05.2011 06:59, schrieb Mike Dupont: >> I think it would make sense to have many layers of data, each with its >> own source rules (on layer for each major import, a tiger layer for >> example) >> and also each layer would have its own license. Also you can split >>

Re: [OSM-talk] Skip geographical (redundant) address tags

2011-05-04 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/5/4 Jaak Laineste : > Regarding user interface: I would add "quick street selector" feature > to JOSM (and other editors) a workaround to improve usability would be to enable autocompletion of addr:street with the values of the name-keys of the highways. cheers, Martin https://josm.openstr

Re: [OSM-talk] Skip geographical (redundant) address tags

2011-05-03 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/5/3 Jaak Laineste : > 2011/5/3 M∡rtin Koppenhoefer : > Creating relation could be same, or even more extra work, this is > correct (but fixable in editor level). actually it will (with explicit numbers without interpolation) not be possible at the editor level to make it less wor

Re: [OSM-talk] Skip geographical (redundant) address tags

2011-05-03 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/5/3 Ed Avis : > It's one thing to say that to speed up and simplify processing, there should > be > duplicated data.  Quite another to say that every contributor, on every object > that has an address, should manually add several redundant tags. > > Let's tag the information that is needed, b

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