Re: [OSM-talk] RFC - OSM contributor mark

On 16.01.13 20:08, Alex Barth wrote: > My initial writeup could have been clearer: This RFC _does_ seek to replace > the currently recommended line "(c) OpenStreetMap contributors" linking to > http://www.openstreetmap.org/copyright with a visual mark linking to a future > http://openstreetmap.

Re: [OSM-talk] RFC - OSM contributor mark

Why not keep the "© Openstreetmap contributors" bit and add a "Report an issue / Add to the map" type button or text? This would then link to a very simple page as proposed (but themed to better match OSMs brand) which also explains how to add a bug/notice using [1] and how to get more involved wit

Re: [OSM-talk] RFC - OSM contributor mark

On 16/01/13 22:33, Christian Quest wrote: The current legal requirement is only about a text because no official icon was existing. If one is chosen, what prevents us to upgrade the requirements to leave the choice between the "© OpenStreetMap contributors" or the new chosen icon ? To me t

Re: [OSM-talk] RFC - OSM contributor mark

Hi Christian, On 16.01.2013 23:33, Christian Quest wrote: The current legal requirement is only about a text because no official icon was existing. The current legal requirement is not about a text specifically; as Paul has written, the current legal requirement is: "notice ... reasonably c

Re: [OSM-talk] RFC - OSM contributor mark

On Jan 16, 2013, at 5:33 PM, Christian Quest wrote: > The current legal requirement is only about a text because no official icon > was existing. > > If one is chosen, what prevents us to upgrade the requirements to leave the > choice between the "© OpenStreetMap contributors" or the new chos

Re: [OSM-talk] RFC - OSM contributor mark

The current legal requirement is only about a text because no official icon was existing. If one is chosen, what prevents us to upgrade the requirements to leave the choice between the "© OpenStreetMap contributors" or the new chosen icon ? -- Christian Quest - OpenStreetMap France - http://open

Re: [OSM-talk] RFC - OSM contributor mark

On Jan 16, 2013, at 5:23 PM, Jeff Meyer wrote: > Why is it clear that the hammer couldn't be a replacement for the OSM > copyright? > > Has the Legal WG stated that a symbol that linked to our copyright & license > statements would not meet the requirements of the ODBL? No idea about the leg

Re: [OSM-talk] RFC - OSM contributor mark

Why is it clear that the hammer couldn't be a replacement for the OSM copyright? Has the Legal WG stated that a symbol that linked to our copyright & license statements would not meet the requirements of the ODBL? Right now, I think we're all speculating. On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 2:17 PM, Alex Ba

Re: [OSM-talk] RFC - OSM contributor mark

Apologies for being rhetorical and passive in my prior post. "Maybe" is incorrect. The statement "(c) OpenStreetMap contributors" _is definitely_ a required credit. See: http://www.openstreetmap.org/copyright "You are free to copy, distribute, transmit and adapt our data, as long as you credit Ope

Re: [OSM-talk] RFC - OSM contributor mark

The edit concept is very interesting. This was something crossing my mind as well when writing up the response to design feedback today. If we had very direct instructions for editing in OSM, we could push users pretty directly to that. The main problem for using the edit paradigm as a guiding

Re: [OSM-talk] RFC - OSM contributor mark

> Isn't the purpose of "OSM and Contributors" to "credit" or "attribute" > the > source of the map tile data? > Maybe, maybe not. More importantly - the fact that there's a discussion what this "mark" tries to communicate means that it fails to do it properly in the first place. At first glance

Re: [OSM-talk] RFC - OSM contributor mark

Isn't the purpose of "OSM and Contributors" to "credit" or "attribute" the source of the map tile data? e.g. if FourSquare puts the OSM mark on their maps, they aren't showing that OSM has contributed to the 4sq map, they are attributing the source of their tiles to OSM. The fact that it links to

Re: [OSM-talk] RFC - OSM contributor mark

On 16/01/13 19:08, Alex Barth wrote: ## Terminology: "Contributor mark" vs e. g. "Attribution mark" Some have pointed out that 'attribution mark' might be a more accurate name. That might be, I don't want to change up at the moment but definitely a discussion to be had if ever we use this ter

Re: [OSM-talk] RFC - OSM contributor mark

Hi, may I throw a related, but slightly different concept, out there for discussion? I think some of the confusion between "contributor mark" and "attribution mark" is that they may be entirely different things. From the design I have seen so far it seems indeed more like a "contributor mark" tha

Re: [OSM-talk] RFC - OSM contributor mark

> From: Alex Barth [mailto:a...@mapbox.com] > Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] RFC - OSM contributor mark > > My initial writeup could have been clearer: This RFC _does_ seek to > replace the currently recommended line "(c) OpenStreetMap contributors" > linking to http://www

Re: [OSM-talk] RFC - OSM contributor mark

Thanks again everyone for reviewing and weighing in. I'll try to summarize feedback here and identify adjustments and open decisions. I've added all I'm seeing actionable right now to the pull request on OSM.org [1]. I'm not aiming to close down the thread for good here, so please respond if I'm

Re: [OSM-talk] RFC - OSM contributor mark

Alex Yes, there is at least a handful of contributors have had the link specified in discussion or/and agreement. While it is unlikely that it was put in writing that it should be one click away from the map, it would seem to be rather devious to simply move it without at least consultation. On t

Re: [OSM-talk] RFC - OSM contributor mark

Alex - for the recent King County and City of Seattle disclaimers, I explicitly pointed them to the http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/** wiki/Contributors , and asked if putting the disclaimers on that page would suffice. They said yes. I don't know if t

Re: [OSM-talk] RFC - OSM contributor mark

Hi, On 15.01.2013 23:15, Alex Barth wrote: I'd like to understand better, have these parties been promised the /copyright location for credits? How do they wind up on there vs. on the wiki? Is there any leeway to merge them into (a better) http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Contributors and move

Re: [OSM-talk] RFC - OSM contributor mark

Frederik - On Jan 11, 2013, at 12:03 PM, Frederik Ramm wrote: > the copyright page we're using now might be better suited for that, not least > because many third parties who give us their data are promised attribution > via that page and it might not be good to put that behind too many click

Re: [OSM-talk] RFC - OSM contributor mark

Ah now I see... they're really upside-down teardrops or pushpins/mapmarkers. Sorry to be so literal! On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 11:37 AM, Simon Poole wrote: > There was also > http://www.crowdspring.com/project/2316224_openstreetmap-logo/access/which > mainly had pins. > > Simon > > Am 14.01.

Re: [OSM-talk] RFC - OSM contributor mark

There was also http://www.crowdspring.com/project/2316224_openstreetmap-logo/access/ which mainly had pins. Simon Am 14.01.2013 20:15, schrieb Jeff Meyer: Simon - thanks! But... I didn't see any teardrops or armpits there - is there another place to look for past teardrops? On Mon, Jan 14,

Re: [OSM-talk] RFC - OSM contributor mark

There's some teardrop designs on this page (which is linked to from the logo design competitions): http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Foundation/Logo On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 1:15 PM, Jeff Meyer wrote: > Simon - thanks! But... I didn't see any teardrops or armpits there - is > there another place

Re: [OSM-talk] RFC - OSM contributor mark

Simon - thanks! But... I didn't see any teardrops or armpits there - is there another place to look for past teardrops? On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 10:22 AM, Simon Poole wrote: > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/**wiki/Logos#Logo_design_**competitions

Re: [OSM-talk] RFC - OSM contributor mark

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Logos#Logo_design_competitions Am 14.01.2013 19:12, schrieb Jeff Meyer: Are there any links to past design comps? Past teardrops? Dare I ask, past armpits? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://list

Re: [OSM-talk] RFC - OSM contributor mark

Are there any links to past design comps? Past teardrops? Dare I ask, past armpits? On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 5:39 AM, Gregory wrote: > When I started reading the proposal I liked the idea. Some icon to say "I > use OSM data behind this, and I'm proud!" instead(well in addition to) the > compulsory

Re: [OSM-talk] RFC - OSM contributor mark

When I started reading the proposal I liked the idea. Some icon to say "I use OSM data behind this, and I'm proud!" instead(well in addition to) the compulsory attribution. But the faded "teardrop" took me ages to find on the examples, and then I just though "what, is that OSM?". It doesn't remind

Re: [OSM-talk] RFC - OSM contributor mark

I also would like to echo that it is a good idea. Perhaps if people don't like the hammer/bubble it would make sense to have a logo design contest or something. Personally I think anything that is simple and appealing and makes it clear to people can click on it is great. Best, -Kate On Mon, Ja

Re: [OSM-talk] RFC - OSM contributor mark

This is a very nice idea! But before discussing the logo, maybe a simple redesign of the osm logo in a smaller version allowing readibility but keeping the magnifier and the map would save lot of talk. I'm no expert, but somebody with real talent could make something in that idea: http://wiki.o

Re: [OSM-talk] RFC - OSM contributor mark

Am 13.01.2013 um 12:46 schrieb Philipp Kandal : > On 01/11/2013 03:26 PM, Alex Barth wrote: >> Over here at MapBox we see a need to better communicate the open and >> contributory philosophy of OpenStreetMap on our maps. > I fully agree with that vision and I think overall one of the key things >

Re: [OSM-talk] RFC - OSM contributor mark

Hi, On 13.01.2013 12:46, Philipp Kandal wrote: I think it really depends on where you use it, in the Web definitely people should be encouraged to write the full name, but on mobile reality is most companies don't put anything on the map Even if they display a Google map? Also, we in OpenStr

Re: [OSM-talk] RFC - OSM contributor mark

Hi, On 01/11/2013 03:26 PM, Alex Barth wrote: >Over here at MapBox we see a need to better communicate the open and >contributory philosophy of OpenStreetMap on our maps. I fully agree with that vision and I think overall one of the key things of that is that people using services made with OpenS

Re: [OSM-talk] RFC - OSM contributor mark

Thanks for taking the time to review and respond everyone so far. It's great to see that there is general support for this idea (there are certainly a couple of issues to work through). I'd like to give people more time to weigh in before responding to the threads that are emerging in this discu

Re: [OSM-talk] RFC - OSM contributor mark

Hi, On 01/12/2013 12:45 AM, Johan C wrote: The message in my opinion should invite people more to act themselves instead of relying on others to create a map. That's a very good point. We've occasionally used the phrase "made by people like you and me" or so, to make it clear that we strive t

Re: [OSM-talk] RFC - OSM contributor mark

I very much like the proposal, thanks for doing that. The goal to achieve more awareness is great, let's act to achieve that goal. Several things have been said about the mark. I think having text like osm.org/c there is a + 1. Intel Inside has text. FairTrade has text. Maybe for the mark (next to

Re: [OSM-talk] RFC - OSM contributor mark

+1 On 01/11/2013 08:27 PM, Michal Migurski wrote: > I like the spirit of this, and I think it's a necessary and welcome idea. > When Stamen did the Nike Grid Run project a few years ago, the one place > where it was not possible to display correct attribution was on the TV ads, > so a significa

Re: [OSM-talk] RFC - OSM contributor mark

e "Made By OSM"? I do like the symbol in > itself, but it's too subtle here and needs to somehow evoke the OSM brand. > > * Mikel Maron * +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron > From: Alex Barth > To: "talk@openstreetmap.org Openstreetmap" > Sent: Friday, Janu

Re: [OSM-talk] RFC - OSM contributor mark

lk@openstreetmap.org Openstreetmap" > Sent: Friday, January 11, 2013 9:26 AM > Subject: [OSM-talk] RFC - OSM contributor mark > > Over here at MapBox we see a need to better communicate the open and > contributory philosophy of OpenStreetMap on our maps. In striving to build a > tru

Re: [OSM-talk] RFC - OSM contributor mark

el s:mikelmaron > > From: Alex Barth >To: "talk@openstreetmap.org Openstreetmap" >Sent: Friday, January 11, 2013 9:26 AM >Subject: [OSM-talk] RFC - OSM contributor mark > >Over here at MapBox we see a need to better communicate the open and >contrib

Re: [OSM-talk] RFC - OSM contributor mark

On 01/11/2013 06:30 PM, Jeff Meyer wrote: I love everything except the icon and the absence of attribution text Perhaps we could hit two birds with one stone by doing something similar to Github's ribbons: https://github.com/blog/273-github-ribbons Just a simple ribbon graphics, slap some tex

Re: [OSM-talk] RFC - OSM contributor mark

I love everything except the icon and the absence of attribution text. (It's really an attribution mark, right? Calling it a contributor mark seems confusing.) It's almost as if the icon is intentionally nondescript, to drive questions about OSM's current branding. If so, that's probably a good di

Re: [OSM-talk] RFC - OSM contributor mark

Hi, On 01/11/2013 03:26 PM, Alex Barth wrote: Over here at MapBox we see a need to better communicate the open and contributory philosophy of OpenStreetMap on our maps. I see two aspects: 1 - standardising map attribution (your teardrop+hammer symbol) 2 - making a nice "about" page Both ar

Re: [OSM-talk] RFC - OSM contributor mark

On Jan 11, 2013, at 10:49 AM, Paweł Paprota wrote: > On 01/11/2013 03:26 PM, Alex Barth wrote: >> http://yhahn.github.com/byosm/ (just a demo domain, this should live >> ideally on `openstreetmap.org/contributors`) > > Looks good as far as I understand the proposal... > > One thing came to me

Re: [OSM-talk] RFC - OSM contributor mark

On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 4:21 PM, Matt Amos wrote: > a link to the "copyright" page [1] oops, forgot to add the footnote last time [1] http://www.openstreetmap.org/copyright ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/li

Re: [OSM-talk] RFC - OSM contributor mark

On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 2:26 PM, Alex Barth wrote: > ## Proposal > > Inspired by successful campaigns like "Intel Inside" and "Fair Trade", this > RFC proposes an OpenStreetMap contributor mark for use on OpenStreetMap based > maps. The goal of the OSM contributor mark is to be adopted by as man

Re: [OSM-talk] RFC - OSM contributor mark

On 01/11/2013 03:26 PM, Alex Barth wrote: http://yhahn.github.com/byosm/ (just a demo domain, this should live ideally on `openstreetmap.org/contributors`) Looks good as far as I understand the proposal... One thing came to me at a quick glance - the new /contributors page does not have any v

[OSM-talk] RFC - OSM contributor mark

Over here at MapBox we see a need to better communicate the open and contributory philosophy of OpenStreetMap on our maps. In striving to build a true data commons for contributing and distributing geographic knowledge, OpenStreetMap relies on map users being aware of the openness of its underly