Re: [OSM-talk] How to map quarters?

2009-09-11 Thread Ben Laenen
Emilie Laffray wrote: > 2009/9/11 Valent Turkovic > > > Hi there, > > I'm wondering how to map different quarters of some city, town and > > villages. > > > > Currently on wiki I only found place=suburb tag and I see that it is used > > also for mapping city's quarters. > > > > Only issue is that

Re: [OSM-talk] how to map this? cycleway or footpath?

2009-09-17 Thread Ben Laenen
Andy Allan wrote: > On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 11:11 PM, Roy Wallace wrote: > > On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 12:42 AM, Valent Turkovic > > > > wrote: > >> How do you differentiate from path and footpath tag? What is the > >> difference between them? Can you show me an example? > > > > As the wiki says, b

Re: [OSM-talk] [Tagging] Google has dual carriage way where it's not built yet

2009-10-12 Thread Ben Laenen
Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > 2009/10/10 OJ W : > > multiple plans would overlap each other and look weird? > > look weird where? I guess these would not be rendered in standard maps > (or just in advanced planning phases and for main plans like > motorways, airports, etc.). > > I made a proposal:

Re: [OSM-talk] [Tagging] Google has dual carriage way where it's not built yet

2009-10-13 Thread Ben Laenen
Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > 2009/10/12 Ben Laenen : > >> I made a proposal: > >> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:planned > > > > So what's the difference with highway=proposed + proposed=...? > > > > I can't seem to find the wiki pa

Re: [OSM-talk] Path vs footway vs cycleway vs...

2009-11-28 Thread Ben Laenen
Steve Bennett wrote: > On Sun, Nov 29, 2009 at 12:14 AM, Richard Fairhurst > > wrote: > > highway=footway -> a path intended for pedestrian use > > highway=cycleway -> a path intended for pedestrian and cycle use > > highway=bridleway -> a path intended for pedestrian and horse use[1] > > Boy, I

Re: [OSM-talk] opencyclemap and car directions

2009-12-02 Thread Ben Laenen
Richard Mann wrote: > If there's a lane in the "wrong" direction, that'll be marked (as being on > both sides). If there's a separate track adjacent to the road, that'll be > marked. But cycle tracks don't get marked if they are attached to the road > (so cycleway=track and cycleway=opposite don't

Re: [OSM-talk] opencyclemap and car directions

2009-12-02 Thread Ben Laenen
Tobias Knerr wrote: > Imo, this shouldn't be considered in isolation. There's a whole lot of > situations where the value for a key, such as oneway, maxspeed, > maxweight, access, is different depending on vehicle or other conditions > - a common example is maxspeed:hgv (note that nobody is using >

Re: [OSM-talk] access tagging concepts (was: Re: opencyclemap and car directions)

2009-12-04 Thread Ben Laenen
Tobias Knerr wrote: > Ben Laenen wrote: > > So that's completely incorrect, bicycle:oneway=no already appeared on > > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Proposed_features/Access_restrict > >ions a long time before the extended conditions for access tags proposal

[OSM-talk] Key and value maximum length

2009-12-04 Thread Ben Laenen
Quick question for which I didn't find an answer in the wiki: * is there a maximum length of tags (keys and/or values)? (I'm sure there was one, but I don't know if there's still a limit today) * if there is, what is it (and is in it number of bytes, or number of characters)? Greetings Ben ___

Re: [OSM-talk] Maxheight changes

2010-01-01 Thread Ben Laenen
Steve Bennett wrote: > On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 12:14 AM, Dave F. wrote: > > I don't why he feels the need to do this, it seems a pointless task, but > > why do you think it reduces accuracy to remove trailing zeros? > > > > 2m =2.0m > > It reduces *indication of accuracy*. > > There's a differenc

Re: [OSM-talk] [Warning: Potential Flamewar] Clarifying Interstate Relations

2010-02-07 Thread Ben Laenen
Chris Hunter wrote: > According to the WIKI and some discussions back in April ( > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-us/2009-April/000976.html) > and again in September ( > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-us/2009-September/001597.html > ), the US Interstate system was goi

Re: [OSM-talk] superways as relations ?

2008-08-05 Thread Ben Laenen
On Tuesday 05 August 2008, Karl Newman wrote: > Sounds like you're looking for this: > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Relations/Proposed/Segmented_ >Tag Segmented tags doesn't solve data duplication for dual carriage ways, or a set of roads with lots of cul-de-sacs with the same name, an

[OSM-talk] Downloading compressed data from API

2008-08-10 Thread Ben Laenen
Hi all, I was wondering if it's possible to download data from the API in a (bz2/g)zipped format? This would be much more kind to bandwidth since a 10MB file for the plain data can be easily compressed to under 1MB. Greetings Ben ___ talk mailing lis

Re: [OSM-talk] Downloading compressed data from API

2008-08-10 Thread Ben Laenen
On Sunday 10 August 2008, Tom Hughes wrote: > Ben Laenen wrote: > > I was wondering if it's possible to download data from the API in a > > (bz2/g)zipped format? This would be much more kind to bandwidth > > since a 10MB file for the plain data can be easily compressed t

Re: [OSM-talk] SOTM relations workshop: results

2008-08-21 Thread Ben Laenen
On Wednesday 20 August 2008, Frederik Ramm wrote: > Multipolygons > - > > [...] > > The "no segmentation" rule is important because there are renderers > already which use different colours for an area boundary than for the > area itself, and such segments will then show up on the maps.

Re: [OSM-talk] SOTM relations workshop: results

2008-08-21 Thread Ben Laenen
On Wednesday 20 August 2008, Frederik Ramm wrote: > Routes > -- > > Routes are most prominently used for cycle routes which are rendered > on Andy Allan's cyclemap. Generally ways which are part of a route > don't have a role, they're just part of it. But sometimes you have > ways in the roles

Re: [OSM-talk] Left and Right - a proposal

2008-08-30 Thread Ben Laenen
On Saturday 30 August 2008, Hugh Barnes wrote: > So, just to clarify, if I want apply more properties to the bus stop, > is it like this: > > left:highway=bus_stop > left:name=Park Road > … etc? > > Have I missed something? Since this shows that we need an "entity" to put all data on which wouldn

Re: [OSM-talk] Left and Right - a proposal

2008-08-31 Thread Ben Laenen
On Sunday 31 August 2008, robin paulson wrote: > i agree with your points frederik - left and right are somewhat > subjective and not obvious. > > someone suggested a while back on talk, that once a way is drawn, we > don't allow it's direction to be changed and for one way streets, we > use oneway

Re: [OSM-talk] Left and Right - a proposal

2008-08-31 Thread Ben Laenen
On Sunday 31 August 2008, Frederik Ramm wrote: > Hi, > > Ben Laenen wrote: > > This could be very annoying if you're making a way for an area and > > at the end suddenly remembers that you should have done it > > clockwise and not anticlockwise. > > Directi

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap routing service

2008-09-07 Thread Ben Laenen
On Sunday 07 September 2008, Lambertus wrote: > I think it's fair to assume that a cyclist isn't allowed on that type > of road on mainland Europe anywhere...Anyway, global routing using > only a single definition for max (average actually) speeds and other > properties for roads isn't optimal. > >

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap routing service

2008-09-08 Thread Ben Laenen
On Monday 08 September 2008, Nic Roets wrote: > On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 3:23 PM, Lars Aronsson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Here you assume that "trunk" is a well defined concept. But it > > isn't. > > Spot on. > > And defining things per country leads to all sorts of problem. For > example mapp

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap routing service

2008-09-08 Thread Ben Laenen
On Monday 08 September 2008, Nic Roets wrote: > If the community is capable of agreeing on one worldwide list of > defaults, then yes. I suggest our defaults be constructed so that we > need to retag a minimum of roads, e.g. by looking at TIGER > classifications. Mappers will learn this short list

Re: [OSM-talk] NoName

2008-09-14 Thread Ben Laenen
On Sunday 14 September 2008, Gervase Markham wrote: > Shaun McDonald wrote: > > The nonames map is hosted by CloudMade, we update them from the > > planet file each week. The updates typically appear on a Thursday. > > What is the official way (read: "way that the map will recognise) of > marking a

Re: [OSM-talk] NoName

2008-09-15 Thread Ben Laenen
On Monday 15 September 2008, Erik Johansson wrote: > 3. specify a derived tag, as with localised names: > >name:absent=yes > >disadvantage: might accumulate to a lot of extra tags in the > database, but it only needs to be added if there really is > uncertainty about the situation. > > So.

Re: [OSM-talk] [Tagging] - RFC - Motorway_link implies oneway=??

2008-10-02 Thread Ben Laenen
On Thursday 02 October 2008, Alex Mauer wrote: > Matthias Julius wrote: > > I don't. I think it follows the "principle of least surprise" > > better if implied values don't change too much. > > Great, then we should leave this as-is (implied oneway=yes for > motorway_link) That would work if it w

Re: [OSM-talk] [Tagging] - RFC - Motorway_link implies oneway=??

2008-10-03 Thread Ben Laenen
On Thursday 02 October 2008, Alex Mauer wrote: > Ben Laenen wrote: > >> There are three options: > >> 1. make no assumptions: This means every single motorway_link > >> needs to have a oneway=yes or oneway=no (or oneway=-1). A pain > >> for taggers, and does

[OSM-talk] When does Potlatch upload?

2008-10-11 Thread Ben Laenen
Hi all, just a little question about recent Potlatch versions: I've noticed that from time to time changes are uploaded while objects are still selected. I remember that it used to be that it only uploaded changes on deselecting. So, when does it exactly upload changes now? I used to find it q

Re: [OSM-talk] When does Potlatch upload?

2008-10-12 Thread Ben Laenen
On Sunday 12 October 2008, Richard Fairhurst wrote: > Ben Laenen wrote: > > just a little question about recent Potlatch versions: I've noticed > > that > > from time to time changes are uploaded while objects are still > > selected. I remember that it used to be t

Re: [OSM-talk] Pedestrians on cycleways

2008-10-15 Thread Ben Laenen
On Tuesday 14 October 2008, Stefan Monnier wrote: > > Tagging a road as something implies certain rules, surely, and only > > when those rules are different from the standard (for that country) > > should you need to say so. Same as the oneway=no discussion that > > went on previously. > > All thos

Re: [OSM-talk] New Mapnik Style

2008-10-17 Thread Ben Laenen
On Friday 17 October 2008, Gert Gremmen wrote: > In general roads have been drawn too wide. > While it is difficult to draw roads "on scale" > in terms of width, the new mapnik style is too wide. Since we're now discussing some mapnik style changes, here are some: * You should render tunnels (or

Re: [OSM-talk] Voting: traffic_enforcement

2008-10-17 Thread Ben Laenen
On Friday 17 October 2008, Tristan Scott wrote: > righto; votes cleared. proposal modified. new vote set in a week's > time. > > I'm not keen on the enforcement direction being forwards and > backwards. I can think of examples: > * Common mobile station on a bridge - on a way which has no relation

[OSM-talk] pub vs café

2008-10-18 Thread Ben Laenen
Hi all, I'm wondering what in English language the exact difference is between http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Tag:amenity=pub and http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Tag:amenity=cafe I always thought they were the same thing... So, how do you decide whether a place is a café or a

Re: [OSM-talk] pub vs café

2008-10-18 Thread Ben Laenen
On Saturday 18 October 2008, Pete Lawrence wrote: > Hello, > > Pubs tend to be more centred around alcoholic drinks, typically > busiest during the evenings. Whereas cafe's tend to be more centred > around food during the day time. In the UK it is pretty easy to > distinguish between the two, els

Re: [OSM-talk] barrier=gate, run a script?

2008-10-22 Thread Ben Laenen
On Wednesday 22 October 2008, Robert (Jamie) Munro wrote: > Frederik Ramm wrote: > > Hi, > > > > vegard wrote: > >>> Is it really so important for the map to look the same in Chile > >>> and in China? Of course not, green trunk roads and blue motorways don't make a lot of sense in 99% of the worl

Re: [OSM-talk] Xybot

2008-10-24 Thread Ben Laenen
On Friday 24 October 2008, Andy Allan wrote: > Hi All, > > I see that someone is running a bot across the entire planet, and I > don't see any discussion of it on the mailing lists. The bot is > called "xybot" and the user is apparently "xylome" > http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/xylome - I believ

Re: [OSM-talk] highway=track and motorcar=yes/no

2008-11-05 Thread Ben Laenen
On Tuesday 04 November 2008, Rainer Dorsch wrote: > For track I am in favor of defaulting to motorcar=no, but let's wait > what others think I always assumed highway=track allows cars, and we have highway=path now for where they're not allowed... It may be better to let each country decide f

Re: [OSM-talk] highway=track and motorcar=yes/no

2008-11-07 Thread Ben Laenen
On Friday 07 November 2008, Nic Roets wrote: > On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 2:21 PM, Ben Laenen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Thursday 06 November 2008, Rainer Dorsch wrote: > > > I like this idea of having country specific presets in the > > > editors instead

Re: [OSM-talk] highway=track and motorcar=yes/no

2008-11-07 Thread Ben Laenen
On Thursday 06 November 2008, Rainer Dorsch wrote: > > JOSM "could" be extended to ask in the install : are you mapping in > > Germany or in Italy ? > > > > If germany, a track could be recorded as : > > highway=track > > motorcar=no > > > > In Italy, a track could be recorded as : > > highway=trac

Re: [OSM-talk] Namefinder translations

2008-11-24 Thread Ben Laenen
On Monday 24 November 2008, David Earl wrote: > I'm also reconsidering adding "in" as well as "near" (and comma) as > the separator. The problem is that there are a couple of place names > in England which have "In" in their names - Henley-In-Arden for > example. (A second problem is that since it

Re: [OSM-talk] Hierarchy of places

2008-12-02 Thread Ben Laenen
On Tuesday 02 December 2008, Gustav Foseid wrote: > On Fri, Nov 28, 2008 at 12:14 PM, David Earl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > > I think we could do with a richer hierarchy something like this: > > metropolis> 500,000 > > city > 100,000 > > large_town> 25,000? 40,000? > > town

Re: [OSM-talk] addressing

2008-12-09 Thread Ben Laenen
On Tuesday 09 December 2008, Christoph Eckert wrote: > Hi, > > > But meanwhile - mostly because it is so easy to do in JOSM - many > > people simply tag the whole shebang (addr:country, addr:town, > > addr:post_code, addr:street, addr:house_number) onto every house > > node. > > though I attended t

[OSM-talk] Deleted way belonging to relations

2008-12-11 Thread Ben Laenen
Hi all, can someone please fix this up: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/28575357 it's a deleted way which is still belonging to two relations The theory on how it happened is this: We were fixing up a relation with two people at the same time in Potlatch, and when moyogo deleted a way,

Re: [OSM-talk] Collecting public transportation time tables

2008-12-17 Thread Ben Laenen
On Wednesday 17 December 2008, Elena of Valhalla wrote: > On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 5:11 PM, Peter Miller wrote: > > I wound be very interested to see the first time that a transport > > authority took a person to court for promoting their services but > > there may be a first time! > > actually, I

Re: [OSM-talk] Indiscrimate layering

2008-12-21 Thread Ben Laenen
On Sunday 21 December 2008, Frederik Ramm wrote: > Hi, > > OJ W wrote: > > Doesn't layer=-1 mean that something should be 'below' the landuse > > polygons when rendering? So if you have a river at level=-1 on a > > landuse=farm, then you will never see the river because it's under > > the (default

[OSM-talk] Boundaries broken on t...@h?

2009-01-08 Thread Ben Laenen
The last days the administrative boundaries have been disappearing and re-appearing on the t...@h tiles on new renderings, and now it seems like they're not re-appearing anymore. Can this be looked into? Greetings Ben ___ talk mailing list talk@opens

Re: [OSM-talk] Boundaries broken on t...@h?

2009-01-08 Thread Ben Laenen
On Thursday 08 January 2009, Patrick Kilian wrote: > Hi, > > > The last days the administrative boundaries have been disappearing > > and re-appearing on the t...@h tiles on new renderings, and now it > > seems like they're not re-appearing anymore. Can this be looked > > into? > > This in an inten

Re: [OSM-talk] bug in mapnik UTF8 renderer

2009-01-13 Thread Ben Laenen
On Tuesday 13 January 2009, Ed Loach wrote: > > the parentheses around "Oman" should be reversed. > > problem in the UTF8 shaper (or lack thereof) ? > > http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=22.08&lon=59.1&zoom=6&layers= > > B000FTF > > It looks like they were removed yesterday from the node which I'm

Re: [OSM-talk] How to integrate a roundabout into a relation

2009-01-31 Thread Ben Laenen
On Saturday 31 January 2009, Lester Caine wrote: > Marc Schütz wrote: > > 4) Split the roundabout as needed, tag all parts as > > junction=roundabout (don't use a roundabout relation), and add only > > the needed parts into the route. > > 5) Properly define a relation so that it does not need to kn

Re: [OSM-talk] Long Ways and API 0.6

2009-02-08 Thread Ben Laenen
On Sunday 08 February 2009, Gary68 wrote: > in europe there are 202 ways with more than 1950 nodes. complete > lists can be found here: > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/SomeChecks > > or the europe file directly: > http://www.gary68.de/osm/qa/some/len_europe.htm Does this suggest that there wi

Re: [OSM-talk] Long Ways and API 0.6

2009-02-08 Thread Ben Laenen
On Sunday 08 February 2009, Shaun McDonald wrote: > It will be a 2000 node limit. It is now quickly documented at > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_Protocol_Version_0.6#New_Limit >s OK, as long as there's no limit on the number of relation members, I'm happy :-) Ben _

Re: [OSM-talk] Long Ways and API 0.6

2009-02-08 Thread Ben Laenen
On Sunday 08 February 2009, Frederik Ramm wrote: > Hi, > > Ben Laenen wrote: > > OK, as long as there's no limit on the number of relation members, > > I'm happy :-) > > I'm pretty sure there will be, it is not implemented yet but I > believe we said i

[OSM-talk] Mapnik boundaries

2009-02-18 Thread Ben Laenen
Did someone break the boundary rendering on the Mapnik layers? It looks like all boundary relations on a given way are now rendering, and that means that if two or more relations for different admin_levels are on one way, different kinds of borders are rendered on top of each other. I guess th

Re: [OSM-talk] Mapnik boundaries

2009-02-20 Thread Ben Laenen
, the boundary relation polygon name above. Ben On Wednesday 18 February 2009, Ben Laenen wrote: > Did someone break the boundary rendering on the Mapnik layers? > > It looks like all boundary relations on a given way are now > rendering, and that means that if two or more rela

Re: [OSM-talk] amenity=doctor or amenity=doctors ? [tagging]

2009-02-23 Thread Ben Laenen
On Monday 23 February 2009, Frederik Ramm wrote: > Hi, > > Yann Coupin wrote: > > Because it makes the data in it unusable. Next thing you know, > > someone in Germany will tag doctors office "hartz" > > Arzt, more likely. And why not? There are enough Germans struggling > to understand the tags th

[OSM-talk] License plan

2009-02-27 Thread Ben Laenen
It looks like we finally got some kind of "License plan" for the step towards the new license, so everyone check http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Open_Data_License/Implementation_Plan Let me start with the obvious questions first: * why don't you split between the votes whether you like lic

Re: [OSM-talk] License plan

2009-02-27 Thread Ben Laenen
On Friday 27 February 2009, Frederik Ramm wrote: > Hi, > > I'll comment on various other aspects later but: > > Ben Laenen wrote: > > And what with the countless relations? If there's one way added to > > it by someone that didn't give approval, t

Re: [OSM-talk] License plan

2009-02-27 Thread Ben Laenen
On Friday 27 February 2009, Peter Miller wrote: > Would it be appropriate to continue this conversation on legal-talk? > Talk is very busy at the moment and we have a lovely list of our own > :) I think this discussion is important enough to take place on the talk mailing list. If it's held on th

Re: [OSM-talk] License plan

2009-02-27 Thread Ben Laenen
On Friday 27 February 2009, Grant Slater wrote: > Read the full announcement in all its glory: > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/legal-talk/2009-February/001 >958.html > > Discussion is best on legal-talk or the avenues as per announcement. I keep disagreeing. This is important enough to

Re: [OSM-talk] License plan

2009-02-27 Thread Ben Laenen
On Friday 27 February 2009, Dave Stubbs wrote: > And even if you take the ultra cautious approach and say all edits > are deserving of copyright protection, you can still draw a line > around minor edits both temporal and spatial ie: a single edit can > only possibly infect edits made after it, and

Re: [OSM-talk] License plan

2009-02-27 Thread Ben Laenen
On Friday 27 February 2009, Frederik Ramm wrote: > Lambertus wrote: > > If we change to the new license then do we have a tool available > > that will remind me of the bits that are going to be rolled back > > because of my contribution being dependent on someone who did not > > agree to the licens

Re: [OSM-talk] License plan

2009-02-27 Thread Ben Laenen
On Friday 27 February 2009, Frederik Ramm wrote: > Hi, > > Ben Laenen wrote: > > I care about whether the database will still > > be "clean" after a possible change (meaning, properly licensed). > > The current license is anything but "properly licensed&

Re: [OSM-talk] License plan

2009-02-27 Thread Ben Laenen
On Friday 27 February 2009, Richard Fairhurst wrote: > Ben Laenen wrote: > > As long as there's no answer to it [...] > > I wouldn't even accept [...] > > I would refuse [...] > > I want a very detailed answer [...] > > that's really not my concer

Re: [OSM-talk] License plan

2009-02-28 Thread Ben Laenen
On Saturday 28 February 2009, Richard Fairhurst wrote: > > My hope basically when starting this thread was that these > > fundamental issues would have been cleared up by now in > > legal-talk or wherever since you now made the schedule available. > > Seriously - who is this "you"?!!! With "you" I

Re: [OSM-talk] The Proposed Great Colour Shift

2015-08-20 Thread Ben Laenen
> For me, the new style is a pointless exercise since I NEED to retain a > UK view of the data, and I am sure other countries would also prefer to > retain their own road colour preferences so trying to provide an > international style has a limited 'market'? If anything it simply drives > us to pr

Re: [OSM-talk] Naming disputes in Ukraine

2012-07-26 Thread Ben Laenen
On Thursday 26 July 2012 11:48:39 Jo wrote: > Anyway, as far as OSM goes, it's the first mapper who maps something who > decides on which order is being used. Slightly more difficult: It's true that the first mapper decides for the region of Brussels-capital, which is bilingual. But in the "munic

Re: [OSM-talk] Naming disputes in Ukraine

2012-07-27 Thread Ben Laenen
On Friday 27 July 2012 04:56:43 Tirkon wrote: > >Rue de > > > > Quelque Chose > > Iets > > straat > > > >With names it can be compacted as > > > >Avenue > > John Doe > > laan > > For me as a non native dutch/french this looks obfuscating. > > Is this the way you find it

Re: [OSM-talk] Survey for people with color vision deficiencies about the street classes in OSM's Mapnik style

2012-10-09 Thread Ben Laenen
Is there a way to see the proposed colour changes for someone who isn't colour blind and can't take the test? Ben On Sunday 07 October 2012 15:54:02 johannes.kroe...@hcu-hamburg.de wrote: > Hi there, > > I am a geomatics student currently working on my bachelor thesis (in > Germany, not sure

Re: [OSM-talk] License graph

2011-04-18 Thread Ben Laenen
Nathan Edgars II wrote: > Thomas Davie wrote: > > Because it will show the genuine trend – at the moment, a quick glance at > > the graph would suggest that the "no" vote is expanding at the same rate, > > and at the same level as the "yes" vote. I agree that we can't clearly > > show that they're

Re: [OSM-talk] Join the OSMF !

2011-06-10 Thread Ben Laenen
ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen wrote: > To all active members of OSM ! > > I found that only 250 or so OSM contributors out of 250.000 > are actually members of OSMF. > > That is about 0.1 %. > Nevertheless it's that 0.1 % that actually decides what will > happen with OSM in the clo

Re: [OSM-talk] Join the OSMF !

2011-06-11 Thread Ben Laenen
Dermot McNally wrote: > On 10 June 2011 22:16, TimSC wrote: > > I think you are confusing "support the relicense" with "accept the > > relicense" and that difference is significant. > > Not at all - I know of no form of democracy that distinguishes between > grudging acceptance or evangelical zea

Re: [OSM-talk] Mailing list moderation

2011-07-08 Thread Ben Laenen
Richard Weait wrote: > After careful consideration, effective immediately Mikel Maron, Andy > Robinson and Mike Collinson have access to the moderation system > across the main OSM mailing lists. They will use their best judgment > according to the href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Etiquett

Re: [OSM-talk] License change: database rebuild schedule

2012-03-12 Thread Ben Laenen
On Monday 12 March 2012 20:06:13 Alex Barth wrote: > - Is there an official database rebuild schedule and where can I find it? > - Until when exactly will the pre-license change OSM database be available? While we're on the subject: is the algorithm that determines which objects will be deleted o

Re: [OSM-talk] Street name abbreviations

2010-04-24 Thread Ben Laenen
Andrew Gregory wrote: > I'd been thinking for a long time that the OSM wiki needed a table with > some common street name abbreviations (if it exists, I can't find it). > When I started surveying I kept on finding weird abbreviations that took > some searching to figure out (all the other online ma

Re: [OSM-talk] Philosophy about Autorouting for Cyclists and new key class:bicycle

2010-05-03 Thread Ben Laenen
Felix Hartmann wrote: > If in OSM we really want to get in more mountainbikers, we have to start > with unofficial routes. I will think about it for the night, and put up > a wiki page tomorrow, put some notices on this on the big forums > (hopefully they will get ~5000 pageviews, put them in my fe

Re: [OSM-talk] Philosophy about Autorouting for Cyclists and new key class:bicycle

2010-05-04 Thread Ben Laenen
Felix Hartmann wrote: > On 03.05.2010 21:47, Ben Laenen wrote: > > Here's the thing: we just do not map unofficial routes. Only the ones > > that are signposted. There are enough sites where you can submit your > > route suggestions, and there's no reason why this sh

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging Scheme Recommendations: highway=path, footway, trail?

2010-08-26 Thread Ben Laenen
Maarten Deen wrote: > As highway=path means no motorized traffic, it might be a footpath or > cyclepath or bridleway (or others). That's the "more specific" part. highway=path doesn't mean no motorized traffic, if means no "wide" vehicles. So no cars, but mopeds are still allowed. Greetings Ben

Re: [OSM-talk] Countries that have NOT had any imports?

2010-09-29 Thread Ben Laenen
On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 11:41 PM, Kai Krueger wrote: > with all the talk about imports recently, I am wondering which countries > have actually _not_ seen any imports so far? I.e. which communities have > chosen to build all their data from "traditional" surveying and ignored any > other available

Re: [OSM-talk] Explicit tagging of name language

2010-12-07 Thread Ben Laenen
Ed Avis wrote: > Patrick Kilian petschge.de> writes: > >http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Bruxelles-Brussel.jpg > > > >See two names on the ground. > > To me that would suggest putting the French name into 'name' I suggest you don't, or you'd end up in an edit war otherwise. Linguistic iss

Re: [OSM-talk] Massive import of airports

2010-12-17 Thread Ben Laenen
Toby Murray wrote: > In my area it looks like a couple of small rural grass strips was > added. The hospital helipad was initially duplicated but then > re-deleted in a subsequent changeset by the same user. So it looks > like there was at least SOME attempt at de-duplicating things, even if > it w

Re: [OSM-talk] License plan - what data would need deleting

2009-03-04 Thread Ben Laenen
On Wednesday 04 March 2009, Ed Avis wrote: > The only sound rule that can be sure to stand up in court is to > delete all data from the contributors who didn't give explicit > permission, and all data that depends on it. Period. I agree that the only legal sound way to do it is by removing all d

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM license change: A license to kill? -> How to make a nightmare come true!

2009-03-05 Thread Ben Laenen
On Thursday 05 March 2009, SteveC wrote: > On 4 Mar 2009, at 23:51, Nop wrote: > >>> 2. Provide translations of this in the major languages. Most > >>> people speak English to some degree, but some don't and something > >>> of this importance and with so much legalese involved does need > >>> to be

Re: [OSM-talk] Cloudmade: "We are the Wikipedia of maps"

2009-03-11 Thread Ben Laenen
On Wednesday 11 March 2009, Frederik Ramm wrote: > It has been pointed out that Steve, apart from being a CM manager, is > also the founder of the project and thus has to juggle various roles. > Please then accept that besides running Geofabrik, I, too, am an > active member of the OSM community an

Re: [OSM-talk] Reminder: License and license process phone-in today

2009-03-14 Thread Ben Laenen
Will it be recorded? On Saturday 14 March 2009, Mike Collinson wrote: > This is an informal discussion about the ODbL license and adoption > process where anyone can dial in on a phone. > > It's at 3pm UK time (15:00 GMT/UTC) on Saturday and will be held in > English. Call one of the numbers at

Re: [OSM-talk] Multilingual map

2009-03-14 Thread Ben Laenen
On Saturday 14 March 2009, Pierre-André Jacquod wrote: > Hi, > great stuff... > > > With my first go a couple of weeks back for 8 languages I did do > > fallback to at least 'name' using views as suggested on the wiki, > > setting this up for 40 languages however was somewhat less trivial > > and I

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-newbies] avoid repeating the name tag twice

2009-03-16 Thread Ben Laenen
On Sunday 15 March 2009, Tal wrote: > name:local_lang="fr - nl" is indeed an interesting idea, that I > haven't thought of. > However, I ask myself if it's flexible enough. > It seems that for just a little more coding you get the much more > flexible "{name:fr} - {name:nl}" (with special escape co

[OSM-talk] t...@h broken?

2009-03-22 Thread Ben Laenen
It looks like the t...@h rendering is horribly broken since yesterday. When tiles are updated only a tiny amount of features are still rendered, and the rest is just a gray field. For example http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=51.3755&lon=4.3508&zoom=12&layers=0B00FTF Is this in the process of

talk@openstreetmap.org

2009-03-26 Thread Ben Laenen
On Thursday 26 March 2009, Richard Mann wrote: > I thought a quick tagwatch of "footway/path/bridleway/cycleway" might > be pertinent. > > Europe: footway 556k - cycleway 166k - path 66k - bridleway 11k > Germany: footway 268k - cycleway 57k - path 45k - bridleway 1k > Netherlands: footway 19k - cy

Re: [OSM-talk] Delay before the data is visible?

2009-04-21 Thread Ben Laenen
On Tuesday 21 April 2009, Jonathan Bennett wrote: > MP wrote: > > How large is the current delay before uploaded data became visible? > > I've uploaded some changes in JOSM, provided a comment ... and when > > I re-downloaded the area again, my changes were not there. > > The servers are *very, ver

Re: [OSM-talk] How to tag oneway exceptions?

2009-04-26 Thread Ben Laenen
On Sunday 26 April 2009, Tobias Knerr wrote: > Renaud MICHEL schrieb: > > I didn't find an answer in the wiki, how should I tag roads that > > are one way for motorized vehicles but two way for bicycle? > > The documented and established way to do so is > oneway=yes + cycleway=opposite, > see http:

Re: [OSM-talk] Zonal restrictions.

2009-04-30 Thread Ben Laenen
On Wednesday 29 April 2009, Tobias Knerr wrote: > Kurt Roeckx schrieb: > > I'm looking for a way to map restrictions for a zone. This > > includes things like maxspeed, maxweight and parking restriction. > > > > I want to avoid having to place those tags on all the roads inside > > the zone, speci

Re: [OSM-talk] Zonal restrictions.

2009-04-30 Thread Ben Laenen
On Thursday 30 April 2009, you wrote: > So you assume that well-designed, liberally licensed (!= GPL) Open > Source libraries will exist for all major programming languages and > platforms soon? Well, until then, I'll continue to assume that the > goal of OSM data being used in creative and unexpec

Re: [OSM-talk] Rendering of footways with bicycle=yes

2009-04-30 Thread Ben Laenen
On Thursday 30 April 2009, Andy Allan wrote: > On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 3:10 PM, Richard Mann > > wrote: > > I'd support that highway=path needs to be rendered in the cycle map > > layer, especially now it's becoming clearer how it's being used > > Every time it gets discussed, it becomes *less* cl

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-newbies] avoid repeating the name tag twice

2009-05-06 Thread Ben Laenen
On Tuesday 05 May 2009, Emilie Laffray wrote: > > What might be interesting and worth a discussion: A tag to describe > > the default language of this object, e.g. "language=en". This could > > als be several tags, e.g. > > name=België - Belgique - Belgien > > name:nl=België > > name:fr=Belgique >

Re: [OSM-talk] Languages

2009-05-07 Thread Ben Laenen
On Thursday 07 May 2009, Maarten Deen wrote: > That still does not solve completely the problem in dual-language > areas like Brussels, but there both local names are in the name tag > (as both local names are on street signs). Streets in Brussels are almost all tagged with both name:nl and name:f

Re: [OSM-talk] Languages

2009-05-07 Thread Ben Laenen
On Thursday 07 May 2009, Tal wrote: > Imagine that you plan a business trip to Tel-Aviv and want to print > yourself a map of the city. Or maybe you'll be spending a week in > Cairo. Can you not see the benefit in having a map with the street > names in a different language than the one on the sign

Re: [OSM-talk] Zonal restrictions.

2009-05-13 Thread Ben Laenen
On Wednesday 13 May 2009, Dave Stubbs wrote: > Where "zone" is a known geographic area? > A bounding way with tags like: > zone = restriction > maxspeed = 20kph > parking = no > > seems like the best way to do it to me if you don't want to just > replicate the tags on everything (and I can under

Re: [OSM-talk] Zonal restrictions.

2009-05-14 Thread Ben Laenen
On Thursday 14 May 2009, MP wrote: > > Except it's not a geographic area, but rather a set of streets with > > that restriction. If a bridge or tunnel without the restriction > > goes over/under a street with the restriction you'll have a > > problem. > > In that case, that bridge can have differen

Re: [OSM-talk] zones for motorway/in town/outof town?

2009-05-21 Thread Ben Laenen
So while it seems to be a polygon vs tags on ways discussion: I wonder what people have against using relations to combine all roads in one built-up area, or one maxspeed zone, or some other kind of zone. It's really the cleanest option and allows for additional tags like a name, and it allows

Re: [OSM-talk] zones for motorway/in town/outof town?

2009-05-21 Thread Ben Laenen
On Thursday 21 May 2009, Guenther Meyer wrote: > > relations are one of only three basic structures in OSM (node - way > > - relation), can we please assume that someone mapping with OSM can > > grasp three concepts? He already should be able to deal with them > > now anyway. > > they are, but at l

Re: [OSM-talk] zones for motorway/in town/outof town?

2009-05-21 Thread Ben Laenen
On Thursday 21 May 2009, Mario Salvini wrote: > Even every relevant road for _ONE_ city in one relation won't work, > because the membercount of a relation is limited since API 0.6. > This methode won't create any benefit. Well, apparently it isn't limited, and luckily it isn't. It would be an in

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