Christian Quest a écrit:
Ce n'est effectivement pas très diplomatique de la part de
Pieren, mais ce n'est pas plus diplomatique de la part du
DWG d'auto-proclamer des règles sans discussion préalable
et de bloquer des comptes pour la seule raison qu'on ne
prend pas en compte leurs
Christian Quest a écrit:
Il faut prendre en compte l'aspect très peu pratique et l'utilité
très très limitée de ce compte dédié pour les imports faits
de façon parcellaire comme c'est le cas pour le cadastre,
mais aussi pour beaucoup d'import de données opendata
comme nous le faisons
Jean-Marc Liotier a écrit:
Ok - alors peut-être qu'une limite explicite pour la dimension
d'un changeset serait intéressante pour apporter une
discrimination objective entre import mineur et import massif.
Un peu comme
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2012-September/064482.html
Christian Quest a écrit:
Si je comprends bien, cette proposition permettra le blocage si
l'on n'utilise pas de compte dédié, et permettra aussi le blocage
si on ne met pas les bons tags dans le changeset... de mieux
en mieux !
Oh for goodness' sake, Christian.
There are two opposing
Christian Quest a écrit:
J'ai proposé sur talk@ d'utiliser les tags, mais sans le compte
dédié qui n'a plus d'intérêt avec les tags.
Rendre les deux obligatoires ce n'est vraiment pas aller
vers un compromis mais rajouter une couche dobligation
supplémentaire.
Ah, non, tu n'as pas
RÉAU Simon a écrit:
S'il te plaît Richard pourrait tu écrire en français sur la
liste française.
J'essaie, oui, mais mon français n'est pas très bon. Ma première petite amie
était française et en ce temps-là je pouvais parler français assez bien...
mais c'était 1992, et maintenant, 2012, je
Christian Quest a écrit:
Un import de bâti de plus de 2 nodes est-il
concerné ? Quand je lis ta proposition, c'est oui,
ou alors il faut que je retourne en cours d'anglais.
Alors, si tu penses pas 20,000 mais 200,000, dites ça sur la liste talk@!
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This is a page that people often refer to for their can I do this...?
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Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
Didn't find a hint for osm data in it so far.
It certainly isn't OSM in US, UK etc. But I've seen a screenshot of iOS Maps
in Islamabad that looks very very much like OSM data.
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Nicolas Dumoulin a écrit:
1. un éditeur facile et performant. Il parle de partir de potlach,
dommage j'aurai préféré la solution javascript en développement.
Tu as vu iD (http://www.geowiki.com/) ?
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The one who never made a mistake in JOSM can be the first to
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*waves*
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Christian Quest wrote:
As you're joining this topic, can you explain why you changed
the guidelines in the wiki to make the dedicated account a
requirement and not a recommendation anymore ?
As a few people have already said (Michael, Frederik, Simon etc.) this was
basically codifying
Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
I believe that dedicated accounts are generally better for
imports than using mixed ones which are also used for
original data. This really helps a lot in sorting data
according to its intellectual properties holders.
Yes, absolutely.
The really obvious example
Pieren wrote:
I thought that such issue is not possible anymore with ODbl.
No, the Contributor Terms simply say You are indicating that, as far as You
know, You have the right to authorize OSMF to use and distribute those
Contents under our current licence terms (1a).
If the licence changes to
Nick Whitelegg wrote:
Thirded because it's close to me.
All the suggestions so far sound great, but having a keen volunteer team is
absolutely crucial to the success of an event like this. So if there are
three people raring to go with a Guildford event (and maybe some of the
London people might
Shu Higashi wrote:
Map data (c) ODbL 1.0 OpenStreetMap contributors and
Map tile (c) CC BY-SA 2.0 OpenStreetMap
That would be fine, but you could also do:
(c) OpenStreetMap contributors: license
where license is hyperlinked to http://www.openstreetmap.org/copyright
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These pages summarise
Hello all,
This is just a little heads-up, nothing more.
Before too long it'll be time for OSMF to start soliciting bids to host
the State of the Map conference next year.
This year was of course Tokyo, and last year Denver. So it might seem
sensible that it returns to Europe for 2013 - and
verdy_p a écrit:
Pour revenir au sujet, si Potlatch était développé sans Flash,
en HTML5+Javascript, il serait plus viable à long terme. Si
Flash est en fin de vie, Potlatch 2 aussi est condamné à
disparaître dans sa version actuelle. Il est peut-être temps
d'envisager Potlatch 3...
Mike wrote:
One thing that always bothered me on OSM is that for every new
section of the OSM I had to open new account. That is ridiculous.
You don't. Honest. We just have two logins: the main login, and the wiki.
trac.osm.org, help.osm.org, and forum.osm.org all use the main login.
cheers
Pieren a écrit:
You can find more details about the special WMS protocol on the
wiki (http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/
WikiProject_Cadastre_Fran%C3%A7ais/Aspects_techniques_du_cadastre_en_ligne).
I could expand it with the details about how to retrieve CODE
field (the municipality ID
Peter Dobratz wrote:
Looking at the area in Potlatch 2, I can't figure out a
way to select just one of the overlapping objects
Select the shared node, press / . It'll select the other way. (If there
are several sharing the node, keep pressing / until you get to the one you
want.)
cheers
Pieren a écrit:
Ces deux points nécessitent du développement assez
conséquent
Je serai heureux d'ajouter réprojection Lambert-spherical Mercator à
Potlatch 2.
L'accès aux images avec cookie sera moins facile, mais on peut créer un
proxy cadastre_tools (sur dev.osm.org peut-être).
Martijn van Exel wrote:
Let me know if it's useful / how it can be improved.
Very very nice indeed.
If someone could figure out a JavaScripty way to tell a currently-open
Potlatch instance to jump to this location, rather than firing up a new
instance each time, that'd be great. I'll happily do
Peteris Krisjanis wrote:
I'm not the person who can fix this, but can you be more precise
why do you think this is error from rectration bot? Do you claim
that license of data were ok?
Some of Mike's imports may have had compatible licences.
However, as he says at
Tom Chance wrote:
I see Peter Ito has made some changes to tighten up this policy
(surely guidance?)
It's a policy of the OSMF Data Working Group. I made the clarifications, not
Peter.
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There is a very useful wiki page:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_United_Kingdom_National_Cycle_Network/National_Routes
which documents ids for each route relation on the NCN.
Please use it! Before creating an NCN relation, check if one exists
already; and after you've
Graham Stewart wrote:
- Should ALL NCN route relations be in this table
Yes. I don't think we're at any risk of out-boggling Map Features quite yet.
;)
- Does the 1x, 2x, 3x etc numbering system still apply?
Yes. It's just that there's now also 1xx, 2xx, 3xx etc.
The Sustrans numbering system
David Groom wrote:
Can we get this reverted and block his account
Dreedled.
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Richard Weait wrote:
http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/expressway
expressway=yes, seems to be a fringe tag at best.
I believe our German friends use motorroad=yes for this.
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Paul Johnson wrote:
Not quite. American expressways sometimes, but not always, have
driveways, tracks and service roads connecting, German
motorroads don't.
Oh, sure. But you don't need me to tell you that slight national variations
in the exact meaning of OSM highway tagging are nothing
Hi all,
I've added a small feature to Potlatch 2 which should be generally
useful but will particularly help in remapping.
When you've selected a way, you can now add intermediate points just by
shift-clicking a blank area. P2 will work out where to put the node in
the way, and do it.
Bryce Nesbitt wrote:
I rather think the non-responders could have been a separate category,
and their data could have been kept.
Doesn't fly legally, sadly. You can't say I'm ignoring any rights on
this item just because the rights-holder hasn't responded to my e-mails.
That said, I did
vegard wrote:
What about editor facebook support for editors? :)
No, I'm actually serious -
Vegard Engen mapped insert changeset comment here,
near . ?
Potlatch 1 actually did that with Twitter. But then Twitter started
requiring OAuth and I really couldn't be bothered to code an OAuth
Jochen123 wrote:
In preparation for the release of an ODbL-Licensed planet I have been
looking around what the official proper attribution will be, so that I can
update all sites where I am using OSM data. I didn't find anything on
the Wiki.
A couple of months back I wrote
Jo a écrit:
Maetma,
Je n'ai pas réussi de restaurer ce changeset:
12394958 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/12394958
Je l'ai fait:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/12447296
J'ai trouvé Maetma trés impoli sur trac.openstreetmap.org, alors cette
vandalisme ne m'étonne
Charlotte Wolter wrote:
Got it. Thanks for the explanation.
So, how do I load shapefiles into a separate layer? I need
someone to walk me through it. How would I do that, if I wanted to
get things like street names (and the other TIGER data)?
I'll post a how-to at the start
Current state of affairs:
- North America is mostly complete. The bot is still working in Los
Angeles and Victoria (Canada). There are one or two failed or incomplete
areas which are marked in red on the progress map; these are being
retried individually. Haiti/Dominican Republic has been
The global pass has now started. The redaction bot is at 180° longitude
and working east. The North Pole, South Pole and Poland have been
exempted from this pass and won't be redacted until Tuesday at the earliest.
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Current state of affairs:
- North America is mostly complete. The bot is still working in Los
Angeles and Victoria (Canada). There are one or two failed or incomplete
areas which are marked in red on the progress map; these are being
retried individually. Haiti/Dominican Republic has been
Toby Murray wrote:
The good news is that TIGER data is still available to help in
remapping. The TIGER 2011 tiles were recently discussed on
this mailing list:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/TIGER_2011
Indeed: and Ian, Andy and I have this afternoon briefly discussed making
this
jerjozwik wrote:
is anyone else noticing some ways have a name, a one way
direction, some other info, but no highway tag. so they dont
actually render in potlatch 2. the only reason i noticed them
way due to the oneway arrows being drawn on top of the
satellite image.
Everything's
Charlotte Wolter wrote:
So, are you volunteering? Anyone else?
I spent a couple of hours this morning reworking the P2 source code so that
it can load the entire TIGER 2011 road files for LA County in one go without
crashing. So yeah, that counts as volunteering to fix it in a way, I think.
:)
On 19/07/2012 23:58, Charlotte Wolter wrote:
Richard,
I spent a couple of hours this morning reworking the P2 source code
so that it can load the entire TIGER 2011 road files for LA County
in one go without crashing.
That's great, but will it overwrite work that we've already done?
Also, is
NopMap wrote:
It's good that most of Britain has been processed, but it
appears that the two areas containing London have failed
repeatedly. As they probably contain the most complex
data and highest density, I think they are critical and if
they cannot be processed I'd expect the bot to
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The redaction bot has started on the 'Western Europe' area. Because
continents are annoyingly not shaped like rectangles, this inevitably
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The redaction bot has started on the 'Western Europe' area. Because
continents are annoyingly not shaped like rectangles, this inevitably
Andrew wrote:
Has redaction failed in London and Surrey? I was hoping to clean up
afterwards.
Failed first time round but is now being re-run. Keep an eye on Harry's site
and it should let you know when things are ready.
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Lots has changed in those five years. Browsers now do natively things
that used to require a plugin - indeed, you might not even have the
plugin anymore. OSM's changed, too, from a little-known geek project to
Roland Olbricht wrote:
This is not a problem of the rendering server backlog.
It is a problem of the minute diff generation.
...which has now been fixed. :)
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Thank you very much. Now it works fine, great work.
Thank Andy, Tom and Frederik. I'm just the messenger!
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Hi all,
After a couple of delays earlier today caused by technical issues (with
the setup, not with data integrity), the redaction bot is now running
smoothly, has completed its run across Ireland, and is starting on Great
Britain.
You can follow edits here:
Peter Dobratz wrote:
I'm trying to get a better understanding of the railway=abandoned
tag and see what the community thinks about it.
FWIW there's been a similar discussion on talk-gb recently.
The consensus seems to be railway=abandoned for railways where there's still
some physical trace
Mike N. wrote:
So they are present, and don't hurt anything. None of the
'standard maps' will bother to render them. A railway
map could use them if it needed to. I delete them if they
go through current buildings or parking lots also.
Yes, that's a sensible attitude.
I think it's also
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Hello all,
The redaction process is now underway with Ireland as planned.
Further updates will be posted to relevant lists as and when each phase
starts and ends:
- to talk-ie@ and talk-gb@ when Ireland
Frederik Ramm wrote:
I have been informed that I have no clue
Actually the phrase I used was that Frederik clearly knows as much about
Potlatch as I do about JOSM. (But I suspect more.)
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James Ewen wrote:
What would be making it impossible to create a lake with two islands
with Potlatch2?
In that example, the outer way isn't closed. If you close the outer way
(i.e. same node at the start and end) then it'll work fine.
cheers
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Ed Loach wrote:
Does later this week suggest that we have some idea of how
long the bot will take, and there is a rough estimate of when
IE and GB will be completed?
We are expecting the bot to take around a month for the whole world, but
there are so many variables it's impossible to say.
Hello all,
I'm pleased to announce that the licence change bot is ready to get
underway.
Starting this week, we will be 'redacting' the contributions (less than
1%) from the live database that are not compatible with the new
Contributor Terms and Open Database Licence (ODbL) - in other
We are expecting to begin on _Wednesday_ (9th July)
11th July. You knew what I meant really. :)
Yours in a state of temporary temporal confusion
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Hello all,
This is a special heads-up to the British and Irish mailing lists that
the licence change bot is ready to get underway, starting in our areas.
Starting this week, we will be 'redacting' the contributions (less than
1%) from the live database that are not compatible with the new
James Ewen wrote:
So, do dig up an old thread again... is there a way to merge
adjoining areas in Potlatch yet? I got a great answer from Adam Dunn
on using the JOSM join ways feature. I'd like to be able to do this
in Potlatch as it is annoying to have to switch to another editor
just to be
Evin Fairchild wrote:
I click the down-arrow next to where it says background,
and then click Vector file.
The http://a.tile.openstreetmap.us/tiger2011_roads/$z/$x/$y.png isn't a
vector background, it's a standard tiled imagery background. You add these
just by clicking 'Add' at the bottom of
Hello talk-ca people,
I've made a little change to Potlatch 2 that will ease the process of
loading Canvec data.
Potlatch's approach is very much here is some data that you can use to
help your mapping, rather than here is some data you can upload in
bulk, and the idea is that you load the
Peter Miller wrote:
I started using railway:historic=xxx in place of railway=dismantled
for cycletracks etc in response to a comment through OSM
messaging that one editor had found it confusing to suddenly
have cyclepaths being rendered as railways in Potlatch due the
railway=xxx tag
Spod wrote:
Is there any way to move the map to a specific coordinates
whilst editing in Potlatch and stay at the same zoom level?
You can use Potlatch's own search function - the little magnifying glass
below the +/- zoom icons. It doesn't have any specific co-ordinate handling
(I guess we
john whelan wrote:
Could someone or a group come up with a more standard set of icons please?
http://sjjb.co.uk/mapicons/
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ael-3 wrote:
KMS is already using our maps in Oxfordshire.
Excellent.
FWIW there is a local list for Oxfordshire and the Cotswolds:
talk-gb-oxoncotswolds
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On 21/06/2012 17:57, Alan Mintz wrote:
Richard wrote:
...Given people's constraints on time and the community's
(understandable) desire for the redaction to get underway asap...
I've seen no such
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Richard wrote:
...Given people's constraints on time and the community's
(understandable) desire for the redaction to get underway asap...
I've seen no such
David Earl wrote:
quite why they didn't renumber the continuation of this
road to Peterborough also A45 I don't know - it remains A605
Curiously they did - and then changed their mind. For several years there
was new signage saying A45 underneath but with an A605 patch on the top.
But the
Andy Robinson wrote:
Basically any route to or deprecated braid should have a
bracketed number, though in many locations this may not have
happened yet.
There's a slight tagging ambiguity when a link route connects two numbered
routes, of course: often these will be signed as, say, '(5)' in
David Groom wrote:
However at the north end there is a (newly erected) public footpath
sign showing a footpath ref of B64, pointing straight down this road,
and the definitive map shows this as a footpath.
I use admin:ref for refs that are predominantly intended for
administrative usage,
Gregory wrote:
On 19 June 2012 14:07, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote:
I use admin:ref for refs that are predominantly intended for
administrative usage, rather than public-facing usage.
Now that sounds like tagging for the renderer.
How dare you! :p
In road terms
www.streetmap.co.uk - one of the two first UK mapping sites (along with
Multimap) - has started using OSM. Their 1:5k layer is now OSM-based
outside London, where they still use A-Z. Custom cartography in quite an
A-Z-like style!
cheers
Richard
Steve All wrote:
Now, when and how will this bot run? Over the entire planet.osm?
In something like one-degree of latitude at a time swaths? (That's
just a guess). Can you sense my frustration when I feel like I
should be able to just go and find these things out (maybe in a
big,
Russ Nelson wrote:
I think that the people who wish that the USA had been mapped
just like Europe have NO IDEA how big the USA is, nor how
empty it is.
True enough, but then, I often think that the people who scoff at the people
who wish that the USA had been mapped just like Europe and who
Nick Whitelegg wrote:
Some good news! As from yesterday, Hampshire County
Council have released their Rights of Way data under the
OS OpenData licence.
\o/
If so, I'd imagine what we need to do is:
- convert this data to .osm files with OSM tagging, and
- manually (not automatically!)
Nick Whitelegg wrote:
Whatever. I've certainly seen footpaths classified as roads in
commercial
online maps for instance.
It's basically a misreading of how OSM data works. Essentially they're
saying that the fact we use the highway=track tag means OMG OSM
MISCLASSIFIES FOREST TRACKS AS
Colin Smale wrote:
My questions to the community:
1) Would a bulk upload of any or all of this data be interesting?
I think uploading the files somewhere for people to use would certainly be
interesting, yes. You could find some webspace and upload (say)
leicestershire.osm and cumbria.osm and
Colin Smale wrote:
I realise I probably caused some confusion by using the words
bulk upload when I really intended bulk import. Sorry about
that... I was thinking about a way of getting all the data into
OSM without having to do too much manual work.
That won't really fly, I'm afraid -
Ian Dees wrote:
Worst Fixer wrote:
It is absent from following web page:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Catalogue
There are dozens of imports absent from the Import Catalog.
If you'd like to add it to the catalog, be my guest.
Without wanting to validate Worst Fixer (though I'm
AJ Ashton wrote:
So what I'm wondering is, could 'brand=National Rail' be an
appropriate tag for stations that would be marked with the
double arrow in signs, etc?
That seems good in a tag what's on the ground fashion, and more
appropriate than network=.
Two particular cases I'm unsure
Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
simply draw cycleways with separate carriageways like any
other highway with its own way in OSM and you resolve
lots of issues, including distinct surfaces and restrictions.
Yes. Absolutely that.
Things like cycleway=track were a hack back in the day when we only
AJ Ashton wrote:
We've found that the lack of familiar London Underground and
National Rail icons is a particularly strong sticking point with
people who would otherwise happily switch to OSM, which is
partly why we chose to focus on it.
Absolutely. It does look really good. :)
I guess
Nathan Edgars II wrote:
I'm trying to do something like the European tagging:
http://www.itoworld.com/map/24
But there they have some sort of international treaty that
defines configurations.
(puts day-job hat on)
For users of a waterway, the European (CEMT) waterway classes describe,
SomeoneElse on IRC noticed a big heap of debatable bulk changes to
station nodes in the UK, seemingly made by people outside the UK and
using Wikipedia as a source.
I've reverted these (well, actually, at the time of writing the revert
is running!). If the users would like to discuss the
I wrote:
SomeoneElse on IRC noticed a big heap of debatable bulk
changes to station nodes in the UK
Someone else (not SomeoneElse... hell this is confusing) has pointed me,
off-list, to this:
http://mapbox.com/blog/improved-british-rail-icons/
which obviously looks cool. I guess this is
Here's a new viaduct that needs mapping!
http://www.bury.gov.uk/index.aspx?articleid=7579
http://www.sustrans.org.uk/what-we-do/connect2/schemes/north-west/bury-the-woolford-gap
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Richard Mann wrote:
My point is that tagging should allow both types of routes to be
recorded
We tag what's on the ground, whether it's route signage, cycle-specific
infrastructure, or a giant woolly mammoth (http://url.ie/f9ts).
Are you suggesting a deviation from that?
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Richard Mann wrote:
You'd have to ask the City of Utrecht whether their main cycle routes
are signed.
Well, ok, I wasn't really asking what I'd have to ask, more what your
point is. :)
If the routes are signed, that's good. If there are measurements that can
be tagged in OSM (vehicles per
Someoneelse wrote:
Regardless of the perhaps the map shouldn't render unknown things
just because of name=blah issue, I'd argue that metadata such as
this really doesn't belong in OSM.
Agreed.
OSM is not the world's sole repository of co-ordinate data, and nor should
it be. This would be
Steve Bennett wrote:
The show licence status in Potlatch2 is no longer working for me.
Works fine for me. You might just have hit a temporary WTFE outage.
Also, could we have an update on what is happening with data deletion?
Henk has just posted
Steve Bennett wrote:
It's been like this for at least a week for me, I think. Can you
definitely see licence info in, say, Melbourne? I see no red
outlines, and no no/partial etc above the advanced editor.
Presume that's Melbourne, Australia rather than the nice little Derbyshire
town ten
Stefan Keller wrote:
Am I right that there are currently no updates available since
April 9th at /osm/ and there doesn't exist the new
/openstreetmap/ directory neither because we are waiting for
the OSM board's approval of the new license?
No, it's nothing to do with OSM(F) board
All safe. :)
Compare and contrast our German friends:
http://odbl.poole.ch/de_south_major_and_secondary_roads.txt
http://odbl.poole.ch/de_north_major_and_secondary_roads.txt
Obviously this is only the ways themselves, not the constituent nodes, so
if you have the time to browse OSMI and look
Andrew wrote:
Time for a list of tertiary roads?
My personal preference would be to move to area-based remapping in the
limited time available. Choose somewhere and fix it up. Tertiary roads often
really only make sense within a local context, especially given that some
people are IMHO rather
Jason Cunningham wrote:
Last nights check showed almost the entire route has gone!
:(
Disturbingly I've been mapping around
Brixham for the last six months and I'm therefore concerned I may
have done the dirty deed.
No, you didn't.
It appears to have been deleted by user Sailor Steve
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