[OSM-talk] This needs to be voted upon. (was: Re: Separating all metadata from coordinates in OSM into a wikibase instance)

2020-08-09 Thread Maarten Deen
On 2020-08-10 03:32, stevea wrote: On Aug 9, 2020, at 5:29 AM, pangoSE wrote: The discussion below spawned the following idea of migrating the whole tags system instead. (an over engineered proposal largely, as Frederick says and I agree with, goosed by the "hype of linked data.") I politely

Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Chantiers d'été pour OSM-FR ;)

2020-08-09 Thread Yves P.
> L'occasion d'améliorer quelques name:fr ! Les postes de transformation électrique : leur libellé est affiché 2 fois en zoom 19 et 20. https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/fr/map/rendu-fr-en-developpement_483858#20/46.58154/5.74565

[Talk-dk] Ja rekordforsøget lykkes i går 9/8

2020-08-09 Thread Soren Johannessen
Hej alle sammen Hele 85 forskellige deltagere var inde og redigere i Danmarks området i går og dermed blev en gammel rekord fra 2012 på 44 personer i den grad slået. Det er for vildt at så mange trodsede varmen i går og var med at få rekorden i hus. Tak alle sammen. [image: rekordhjemme.JPG]

[OSM-talk] Twitch MapRoulette session Tuesday

2020-08-09 Thread Martijn van Exel
Hi all, I've been doing some informal Twitch streaming sessions just doing some JOSM mapping, and it was quite fun. I will do another one this Tuesday specifically about creating a MapRoulette Challenge. I will be starting at 19:00 US Mountain Time[1]. If you have an idea for a MapRoulette

[Talk-us] Twitch MapRoulette session Tuesday

2020-08-09 Thread Martijn van Exel
Hi all, I've been doing some informal Twitch streaming sessions just doing some JOSM mapping, and it was quite fun. I will do another one this Tuesday specifically about creating a MapRoulette Challenge. I will be starting at 19:00 US Mountain Time[1]. If you have an idea for a MapRoulette

Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: Re: Roadmap for deprecation of name tags in OSM

2020-08-09 Thread Clifford Snow
As I read your proposal, it sounds like you have a solution but haven't defined the problem. If you could focus on the problem and describe exactly what is wrong with the current arrangement, and what will happen if we do nothing, that might help. Otherwise I can not see the merits of your

Re: [OSM-talk] Separating all metadata from coordinates in OSM into a wikibase instance (Was: Re: Roadmap for deprecation of name tags in OSM)

2020-08-09 Thread stevea
On Aug 9, 2020, at 5:29 AM, pangoSE wrote: > The discussion below spawned the following idea of migrating the whole tags > system instead. (an over engineered proposal largely, as Frederick says and I agree with, goosed by the "hype of linked data.") I politely vote "No." I don't see the

Re: [Talk-at] Regionen mappen

2020-08-09 Thread Kevin Kofler
Florian Kratochwil wrote: > * In Wien gibts das nicht Also prinzipiell gibt es in Wien schon Gruppen von Bezirken, die in verschiedenen Kontexten Sinn machen, z.B.: * die 18 Wahlkreise der Gemeinderatswahl (von denen aber 16 nur aus jeweils einem Bezirk bestehen, die restlichen 7 Bezirke sind

Re: [Talk-us] Potential Import of Addresses for Thurston County, WA, USA

2020-08-09 Thread Mark Wagner
On Sun, 09 Aug 2020 03:53:55 -0700 Raven King wrote: > Hello: > > I discovered that Thurston County, WA publishes a database of > addresses stored as gps pins inside a shape file. > The data can be found here: >

Re: [OSM-talk] Roadmap for deprecation of name tags in OSM

2020-08-09 Thread Andy Mabbett
On Sun, 9 Aug 2020 at 19:05, Imre Samu wrote: > Wikidata is a graph database .. and there is a "known" scalability problem > https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikidata/2019-June/013124.html That post discusses the SPARQL front end (the "Wikidata Query Service") specifically, and not

Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Chantiers d'été pour OSM-FR ;)

2020-08-09 Thread Christian Quest
Le 05/08/2020 à 19:42, Jérôme Amagat a écrit : Les mers, baies et détroits (place=sea, natural=bay, natural=strait) en surfacique pourraient avoir leur nom qui apparaissent pour les mer et détroit et plus tôt lorsqu'ils sont très grands pour les baies qui sont déjà rendu. exemple : le golfe

Re: [OSM-talk] Cyclofix project

2020-08-09 Thread Morten Lange via talk
Hi, Congratulations on a nice project and a useful one ! For a long time I have wished for a user-friendly bicycle repair specific map, including bicycle cafés. You were soliciting constructive feedback, so here is mine:  What I miss in the Cyclofix project is an easy-to find definition of how

Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: Re: Roadmap for deprecation of name tags in OSM

2020-08-09 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 9. Aug 2020, at 21:16, john whelan wrote: > > And different features really are called difference things in different > countries. +1, moreover, the „same“ features are different in different countries and cultures, and it is part of our work to define when we

Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: Re: Roadmap for deprecation of name tags in OSM

2020-08-09 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 9. Aug 2020, at 21:04, pangoSE wrote: > > E.g. permanent unique ids, talk pages if we want that for every osmid, SPARQL > support, standardization benefits "riding the current ride in open data" somehow you can have this already through the integration of wikidata:

Re: [talk-cz] Rozcestníky - Fotky z terénu

2020-08-09 Thread vop
Na desktopu to funguje bezchybně, mobilní verze občas zazlobí (tak na to hned nezanevři, když to nebude dělat, co má) - momentálně zcela bez problémů via Chrome na Androidu 9. Může tě pozlobit přihlášení do Fody, které se možná nebude chtít otvírat ve stejném okně či prohlížeči - v takovém

Re: [Talk-us] Anyone familiar with Rocky Mountain National Park (RMNP)?

2020-08-09 Thread Mike Thompson
Mateusz, Kevin, Thanks for the advice. I will probably reach out to the original mapper again, and if no source is provided, delete the names. Mike On Sun, Aug 9, 2020 at 11:27 AM Kevin Kenny wrote: > The 'names' look like someone's field notes: 'Tarn A', 'Tarn B', 'Tarn C', > 'Tarn Off the

Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: Re: Roadmap for deprecation of name tags in OSM

2020-08-09 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via talk
"riding the current ride in open data" - I am confused what is the meaning of that "scripting support for botmakers" - as a bot operator and a bot author I am confused what is supposed to be missing "support for references and linking interactively to other data sources" - we have that, see

Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: Re: Roadmap for deprecation of name tags in OSM

2020-08-09 Thread john whelan
I honestly can't see any benefit. Splitting the data into two places adds the danger of it getting out of sync. Standard naming conventions would be nice but defining the standard name is practically impossible. Compare taginfo to the map features wiki page. One problem with map features is

Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: Re: Roadmap for deprecation of name tags in OSM

2020-08-09 Thread pangoSE
Could you reply with your arguments in favor of the current one2one tag model system in the other thread where I listed the benefits as I see them? E.g. permanent unique ids, talk pages if we want that for every osmid, SPARQL support, standardization benefits "riding the current ride in open

Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: Re: Roadmap for deprecation of name tags in OSM

2020-08-09 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via talk
It still fails to provide even a single benefit over the current situation. Aug 9, 2020, 20:11 by pang...@riseup.net: > > > > Originalmeddelande > Från: pangoSE > Skickat: 9 augusti 2020 15:40:41 CEST > Till: talk@openstreetmap.org > Ämne: Re: [OSM-talk] Roadmap for

[OSM-talk] Fwd: Re: Roadmap for deprecation of name tags in OSM

2020-08-09 Thread pangoSE
Originalmeddelande Från: pangoSE Skickat: 9 augusti 2020 15:40:41 CEST Till: talk@openstreetmap.org Ämne: Re: [OSM-talk] Roadmap for deprecation of name tags in OSM This is another good reason to abandon this suggestion in favor of our own wikibase instance. Philip Barnes

Re: [OSM-talk] Roadmap for deprecation of name tags in OSM

2020-08-09 Thread Imre Samu
some info for the planning : > Wikidata names. I'm guessing thats because they are simply better quality, most of the labels /names generated/transliterated by bots .. or imported from other databases ( GeoNames !! ) > better modeled, better referenced Wikidata: The Cathedral style ...

Re: [Talk-us] Anyone familiar with Rocky Mountain National Park (RMNP)?

2020-08-09 Thread Kevin Kenny
The 'names' look like someone's field notes: 'Tarn A', 'Tarn B', 'Tarn C', 'Tarn Off the Map', 'Tarn Off the Trail', rather than something that the locals would call them. Of course, people's field notes leak into imported data sources all the time. For the sake of not firing the first shot in

Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Défibrillateur et tag name=*

2020-08-09 Thread Yves P.
> Comment as-tu pu positionner le DAE depuis une orthophoto ? ;-) > Je suis rentré dans le collège comme un voleur ;) > J'ai corrigé les horaires d'ouvertures : SH pour School Holidays. > > Merci, mais pour le moment ce n'est pas gérer dans le code (En France on a des zones à la con). > OSM

Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Photos > archiver les image=* ?

2020-08-09 Thread Yves P.
> J'avais commencé un fichier MapCSS pour faire de la validation dans JOSM sur > les images, ça peut être complété pour être plus exhaustif : > https://josm.openstreetmap.de/wiki/Rules/Pictures > Super mais il y a plusieurs problèmes : de

Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Défibrillateur et tag name=*

2020-08-09 Thread osm . sanspourriel
Le 09/08/2020 à 08:46, Yves P. - yves.prat...@gmail.com a écrit : Un exemple réel : "À gauche au fond du couloir, devant l'infirmerie" https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/6323423304 Faire de l'indoor mapping à partir d'une photo aérienne n'est pas facile ;) Peu d'applications font un rendu

Re: [Talk-dk] SDFE grunddata på Datafordeleren

2020-08-09 Thread osm
Her kan du orientere dig om hvad der flyttes, og hvad der ikke flyttes til den nye platform. https://sdfe.dk/hent-data/datafordeleren/ -- > Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2020 at 2:13 PM > From: "Flemming Bruun" > To: "talk-dk@openstreetmap.org" > Subject: [Talk-dk] SDFE grunddata på

Re: [talk-cz] Rozcestníky - Fotky z terénu

2020-08-09 Thread Miroslav Suchy
Dne 09. 08. 20 v 14:08 Petr Schönmann napsal(a): > Otázka je teda, máme nějakou takovou aplikaci ? Web rozhraní které by mi > dovolilo nahrát fotku rovnou k rozcestníku skrz > optimalizované rozhraní pro mobilní zařízení ? > https://openstreetmap.cz/ -> vrstvy (více vrstev ve skupinách - taková

Re: [OSM-talk] Cyclofix project

2020-08-09 Thread Pieter Fiers
> Congratulations on a nice project and a useful one ! > For a long time I have wished for a user-friendly bicycle repair specific > map, including bicycle cafés. Thanks, us as well ;) > What I miss in the Cyclofix project is an easy-to find definition of how you > classify the nodes that are

[Talk-us] Potential Import of Addresses for Thurston County, WA, USA

2020-08-09 Thread Raven King
Hello: I discovered that Thurston County, WA publishes a database of addresses stored as gps pins inside a shape file. The data can be found here: https://gisdata-thurston.opendata.arcgis.com/datasets/thurston-address-points-tcomm?geometry=-122.915%2C47.023%2C-122.914%2C47.023 The license can

[OSM-talk] wat | Re: Roadmap for deprecation of name tags in OSM

2020-08-09 Thread Rory McCann
On 09.08.20 10:25, pangoSE wrote: I suggest we create a roadmap for deprecating of storing and updating names in OSM for objects with a Wikidata tag. Get rid of the “name” tag(s) in OSM? Absolutely not. It makes everything massively more complicated, there is very little benefit, and

Re: [Talk-dk] Åbne data om lejrpladser fra kommuner

2020-08-09 Thread Michael Andersen
Min erfaring er at indsættelse af billeder kan være særdeles nyttige i forhold til at kunne kontrollere kvaliteten af vores data. Også som bruger af vores data har jeg generelt væsentlig større tiltro til vores data i de tilfælde hvor der er anvendelige fotos tilknyttet, der måske viser andre

Re: [Talk-GB] OSMUK Instagram ideas

2020-08-09 Thread Robert Skedgell
On 09/08/2020 14:31, Jez Nicholson wrote: > I've been posting to the OSMUK > Instagram https://www.instagram.com/openstreetmapuk/ account recently. > We are currently focusing on potential new mappers, so i'm thinking > quirky and topical. > > So, > > a) Do you know of an interesting looking

Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Photos > archiver les image=* ?

2020-08-09 Thread PanierAvide
J'avais commencé un fichier MapCSS pour faire de la validation dans JOSM sur les images, ça peut être complété pour être plus exhaustif : https://josm.openstreetmap.de/wiki/Rules/Pictures Adrien P. Le 09/08/2020 à 15:31, Yves P. a écrit : Pour la France, il y a 46000 tags uniques. N'oublie

Re: [OSM-talk] Roadmap for deprecation of name tags in OSM

2020-08-09 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 9. Aug 2020, at 15:08, pangoSE wrote: > > To support and emphasize ground truth I think we should setup a service like > Wikimedia commons also to host verification images that proves how it looks > on the ground. I agree photos from the current on the ground

[Talk-GB] OSMUK Instagram ideas

2020-08-09 Thread Jez Nicholson
I've been posting to the OSMUK Instagram https://www.instagram.com/openstreetmapuk/ account recently. We are currently focusing on potential new mappers, so i'm thinking quirky and topical. So, a) Do you know of an interesting looking feature in the UK? b) Do you know of something topical (and

Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Photos > archiver les image=* ?

2020-08-09 Thread Yves P.
> Pour la France, il y a 46000 tags uniques. N'oublie pas les valeurs multiples ;) D'après taginfo, nombre de valeurs contenant ";" Clé Nombre Commentaire mapillary 272 wikimedia_commons 270 Attention : il y a des noms contenants ! image 78 flickr 0 Et

Re: [OSM-talk] Separating all metadata from coordinates in OSM into a wikibase instance (Was: Re: Roadmap for deprecation of name tags in OSM)

2020-08-09 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 8/9/20 14:29, pangoSE wrote: > I therefore suggest we create a wikibase instance called OSMData and > migrate all our tags into that system. I don't see the merit, and your idea of putting that database under CC0 is not feasible as it would amount to a license change. I think that "linked

Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Photos — Re: Projet du mois de septembre (en préparation) : défibrillateurs !

2020-08-09 Thread osm . sanspourriel
Le 09/08/2020 à 13:10, Christian Quest - cqu...@openstreetmap.fr a écrit : j'imagine que Mapillary est plutôt stable et fiable. Tu imagines sans doute bien. Par contre Yves nous a déjà remonté des URL ésotériques. C'est plus là qu'il va y avoir de la perte. Et probablement là l'archive n'y

Re: [Talk-dk] Er I klar til at sætte dansk deltagerrekord i morgen?

2020-08-09 Thread Finn Hansen via Talk-dk
Tak for det, skal også love for det er varmt i Odense med 32 grader og ingen vind at rende rundt i gaderne i centrum. Jeg og min kone har på forhånd købt noget koldt på vores tur tidligere på dagen og er lige vendt hjem. Så nu er jeg ved at notere de ændringer jeg er stødt på i selve centrum ud

Re: [OSM-talk] Roadmap for deprecation of name tags in OSM

2020-08-09 Thread Philip Barnes
On Sun, 2020-08-09 at 09:04 -0400, James wrote: > Not to mention if someone wants to add a name for a new item/object, > does the user need to create a wikidata item on top of it? Will the > editor do it automatically? How does it pick the right one? Does it > offer a list to the user? This is

Re: [OSM-talk-be] Mapping disapPeared vicinal paths

2020-08-09 Thread Jo
Meerdaalwoud is mapped quite well. I think we are at least 3 experienced mappers doing so. Not always easy with aerial imagery alone and GPX gets distorted, although that has improved a lot over the past 10 years. I'm afraid there is not much chance to still find this person alive now, after more

Re: [OSM-talk] Roadmap for deprecation of name tags in OSM

2020-08-09 Thread pangoSE
Hi Martin Koppenhoefer skrev: (9 augusti 2020 15:00:21 CEST) > > >sent from a phone > >> On 9. Aug 2020, at 10:44, Mateusz Konieczny via talk > wrote: >> >> tagging name tag is a fundamental part of OSM tag, >> offloading it to a third party service is a mistake that will not >happen > > >+1,

Re: [OSM-talk] Roadmap for deprecation of name tags in OSM

2020-08-09 Thread pangoSE
Yes. The data could be downloaded in bulk like osmand does today and can be easily parsed. We would of course have to split it into region or country sized files just like the planet files are today but thats trivial compared to integrating seamless support in the editors. Wikidata dumps to

Re: [OSM-talk] Roadmap for deprecation of name tags in OSM

2020-08-09 Thread James
Not to mention if someone wants to add a name for a new item/object, does the user need to create a wikidata item on top of it? Will the editor do it automatically? How does it pick the right one? Does it offer a list to the user? This is going to make osm a massive turn off to new contributors on

Re: [OSM-talk] Roadmap for deprecation of name tags in OSM

2020-08-09 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 9. Aug 2020, at 10:44, Mateusz Konieczny via talk > wrote: > > tagging name tag is a fundamental part of OSM tag, > offloading it to a third party service is a mistake that will not happen +1, names are a fundamental part of OpenStreetMap, we must keep the decision

Re: [OSM-talk] Roadmap for deprecation of name tags in OSM

2020-08-09 Thread pangoSE
Yeah this is probably not the best route forward, given that wikidata is so big and contains a lot of osm unrelated data. James skrev: (9 augusti 2020 14:31:57 CEST) >and if the solution is to download the data then download wikidata, >it's >even more clunky than the name tag itself > >On Sun.,

Re: [OSM-talk] Roadmap for deprecation of name tags in OSM

2020-08-09 Thread pangoSE
Ok. I agree with that, there is nothing hindering OSM from hosting the wikibase instance on the same machine/cluster/whatever as the main osm database which btw. seems to lack a name. James skrev: (9 augusti 2020 14:49:36 CEST) >Network calls incur a performance hit. I didn't say it was

Re: [OSM-talk] Roadmap for deprecation of name tags in OSM

2020-08-09 Thread pangoSE
Thanks  I actually tried searching for it before posting but did not find it. I accept the statement from Lydia closing it: "I've been thinking a lot about this. The prefixes Q, P, L, F, S, E and M are there to represent the concepts of Items, Properties, Lexemes, Forms, Senses, Entity Schemas

Re: [OSM-talk] Roadmap for deprecation of name tags in OSM

2020-08-09 Thread James
Network calls incur a performance hit. I didn't say it was complicated. On Sun., Aug. 9, 2020, 8:46 a.m. pangoSE, wrote: > > I disagree. With (permanent) unique ids is trivial and the overhead is IMO > neglible. > > Its not rocket science to query an API endpoint from any programming >

Re: [OSM-talk] Roadmap for deprecation of name tags in OSM

2020-08-09 Thread pangoSE
I disagree. With (permanent) unique ids is trivial and the overhead is IMO neglible. Its not rocket science to query an API endpoint from any programming language. All our data consumers are already doing this. I made a simple map in a few hours that query both overpass and wikidata based

Re: [Talk-at] Regionen mappen

2020-08-09 Thread Florian Kratochwil
Danke fr diese zwei Inputs. Hier gibts jetzt zwei Themen: 1) Bundesland-Aufteilungen als boundary=administrative und admin_level=5 taggen, (zusammen mit place=region oder kann das dann entfallen?) Wenn wir das jetzt sterreichweit durchspielen: * In Wien gibts das nicht * In N

Re: [OSM-talk] Roadmap for deprecation of name tags in OSM

2020-08-09 Thread mmd
On 2020-08-09 14:33, pangoSE wrote: >> IIRC, Yuri already tried that when implementing Wikibase on our own >> wiki, and it turned out to be massively complicated, not to say not >> feasible at all. Didn't you follow that discussion back then? > > I was not aware. Link? > Its not a dealbreaker

Re: [OSM-talk] Roadmap for deprecation of name tags in OSM

2020-08-09 Thread James
and if the solution is to download the data then download wikidata, it's even more clunky than the name tag itself On Sun., Aug. 9, 2020, 8:29 a.m. Jeremy Harris, wrote: > On 09/08/2020 09:25, pangoSE wrote: > > I suggest we create a roadmap for deprecating of storing and updating > names in

Re: [OSM-talk] Roadmap for deprecation of name tags in OSM

2020-08-09 Thread pangoSE
Hi mmd skrev: (9 augusti 2020 13:47:43 CEST) >On 2020-08-09 13:05, pangoSE wrote: >> These are valid concerns. See my response to James. >> If Wikimedia should become uncooperative we could easily set up our >own >> wikibase installation. See https://www.wbstack.com/ > >Our own

[OSM-talk] Separating all metadata from coordinates in OSM into a wikibase instance (Was: Re: Roadmap for deprecation of name tags in OSM)

2020-08-09 Thread pangoSE
Hi The discussion below spawned the following idea of migrating the whole tags system instead. Remember we OSM contributors are in the "business" of generating high quality geo- AND metadata with references ideally for every single change or statement and ideally linked to other data sources

Re: [OSM-talk] Roadmap for deprecation of name tags in OSM

2020-08-09 Thread Jeremy Harris
On 09/08/2020 09:25, pangoSE wrote: > I suggest we create a roadmap for deprecating of storing and updating names > in OSM for objects with a Wikidata tag. > Substantial changes will have to be made: > * nominatim will need to support fetching names from wikidata somehow. It > could probably be

[OSM-talk-be] Mapping disapPeared vicinal paths

2020-08-09 Thread Philippe Casteleyn
Recently I was searching for a disappeared person in the woods. Looking at OSMAnd I advised the group leader that we could split a search parcel in two because the small path went to the next wider path. I was happy that I was luckily correct. In my region (Mechelen) I have seen that not all

Re: [Talk-dk] Er I klar til at sætte dansk deltagerrekord i morgen?

2020-08-09 Thread Peter Leth
Hej Søren Jeg har solgt ideen om is og osm til sønnik. Så vi er pt to der deltager: Do Osm 1 og peterleth Mobilepay 51522387 ( bare for den ene) God dag / Peter lør. 8. aug. 2020 kl. 17.16 skrev Soren Johannessen < soren.johannes...@gmail.com>: > Hej alle sammen > > Så går det løs i morgen

[Talk-dk] SDFE grunddata på Datafordeleren

2020-08-09 Thread Flemming Bruun
Hej, Blot lidt info om at grunddata fra SDFE flyttes til et nyt site. Se mere her: https://kortforsyningen.dk/indhold/geografiske-grunddata-pa-datafordeleren Jeg har ingen ide om SDFE-linkene forsvinder med tiden, men det er nok noget man skal være opmærksom på. Mvh Flemming

[talk-cz] Rozcestníky - Fotky z terénu

2020-08-09 Thread Petr Schönmann
Ahoj, když rozcestníky spravoval walley, byla k tomu nějaká velmi minimalistická aplikace,nahrávátko, kde šli nahrávat fotky přímo z androidí aplikace. Máme stále takovou možnost ? Přiznám se že jakmile bych to nenahrál hned tak už to po pár dnech zapadne a to mi přijde škoda. Mám flow takové,

Re: [OSM-talk] Roadmap for deprecation of name tags in OSM

2020-08-09 Thread James
Not to mention the additional overhead of conflating two databases to get something essential like a name On Sun., Aug. 9, 2020, 7:57 a.m. Alan Mackie, wrote: > This seems like a bad idea. > > Name tags are generally very easy to verify on the ground. It is not > always as easy to tell if a

Re: [OSM-talk] Roadmap for deprecation of name tags in OSM

2020-08-09 Thread Alan Mackie
This seems like a bad idea. Name tags are generally very easy to verify on the ground. It is not always as easy to tell if a shop with a certain name belongs to a specific wikidata entry, especially in jurisdictions that are less litigious when it comes to trademarks. We also should not be doing

Re: [OSM-talk] Roadmap for deprecation of name tags in OSM

2020-08-09 Thread mmd
On 2020-08-09 13:05, pangoSE wrote: > These are valid concerns. See my response to James. > If Wikimedia should become uncooperative we could easily set up our own > wikibase installation. See https://www.wbstack.com/ Our own Wiki.openstreetmap.org already has a wikibase installed. You're not

Re: [OSM-talk] Roadmap for deprecation of name tags in OSM

2020-08-09 Thread Stefano
More than deprecating name=* to replace with Wikidata, it would be needed deprecating it in favour of name:=* and leaving to the client the decision of what language to render. It would partially solve the multilanguage issue... Stefano On Sun, 9 Aug 2020, 13:11 pangoSE, wrote: > These are

Re: [OSM-talk] Roadmap for deprecation of name tags in OSM

2020-08-09 Thread pangoSE
These are valid concerns. See my response to James. If Wikimedia should become uncooperative we could easily set up our own wikibase installation. See https://www.wbstack.com/ It takes a few minutes plus some configuration time. In fact this might be much better than forcing our data into

Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Photos > archiver les image=* ?

2020-08-09 Thread Christian Quest
Le 09/08/2020 à 12:45, PanierAvide a écrit : Question bateau mais a-t'on une idée du nombre d'attributs image=* en base pour lesquels la photo n'est plus actuellement disponible ? Clairement un système d'archivage de photos a tout son sens, mais probablement pas le même degré d'urgence à

[talk-cz] Suspicious relations ("XYZ in Czech Republic")

2020-08-09 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via talk-cz
OSM objects are inherently recording their position. If one maps say cave entrance and country borders, then one may already answer the question "is cave XYZ inside area of country ABC". As result it is not necessary to create relations "caves in country X", "caves on continent Y", "caves in

Re: [OSM-talk] Roadmap for deprecation of name tags in OSM

2020-08-09 Thread pangoSE
Also a valid concern worth pondering. I guess having a local snapshot of wikidata on an osm controlled server should fix that. Wikibase is free software so we can set up our own in the very unlikely case that no-one else does it. Note that both Facebook, Microsoft and Google are dependent on

[OSM-talk] Fwd: Re: Roadmap for deprecation of name tags in OSM

2020-08-09 Thread pangoSE
This was meant for the list. Originalmeddelande Från: pangoSE Skickat: 9 augusti 2020 11:09:08 CEST Till: Mateusz Konieczny Ämne: Re: [OSM-talk] Roadmap for deprecation of name tags in OSM Hi Thanks for the response. Mateusz Konieczny via talk skrev: (9 augusti 2020

Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Photos — Re: Projet du mois de septembre (en préparation) : défibrillateurs !

2020-08-09 Thread PanierAvide
Question bateau mais a-t'on une idée du nombre d'attributs image=* en base pour lesquels la photo n'est plus actuellement disponible ? Clairement un système d'archivage de photos a tout son sens, mais probablement pas le même degré d'urgence à mettre en place selon si on a 1% de pertes ou 80%.

Re: [Talk-dk] Åbne data om lejrpladser fra kommuner

2020-08-09 Thread Sonny B. Andersen
Jeg synes, det er fint at man får shelterne med på kortet, men så ville jeg nok bruge Friluftsrådet som kilde. Men jeg synes ikke der er nogen grund til at samarbejde med wiki-data, som man jo altid er nødt til at efterkontrollere. Jeg synes heller ikke, at der er nogen grund til at indsætte

Re: [OSM-talk] Roadmap for deprecation of name tags in OSM

2020-08-09 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via talk
or has downtime? or deletes data/items used by OSM? or bans OSM mappers? or refuses to ban vandal/troll/harasser? or fails to ban them quickly? Aug 9, 2020, 11:45 by james2...@gmail.com: > is there a contingency plan if wikipedia/wikimedia ceases to exist? > > On Sun., Aug. 9, 2020, 4:29 a.m.

Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Photos — Re: Projet du mois de septembre (en préparation) : défibrillateurs !

2020-08-09 Thread Christian Quest
Le 09/08/2020 à 10:14, Yves P. a écrit : de Christian Pour le stockage des photos ou autres sources externes, wikipedia garde une copie d'archive. Je pense que ce serait bénéfique de faire pareil pour OSM, car tout lien externe est potentiellement instable Tu suggères de mettre un système

Re: [OSM-talk] Roadmap for deprecation of name tags in OSM

2020-08-09 Thread James
is there a contingency plan if wikipedia/wikimedia ceases to exist? On Sun., Aug. 9, 2020, 4:29 a.m. pangoSE, wrote: > I suggest we create a roadmap for deprecating of storing and updating > names in OSM for objects with a Wikidata tag. > > The rationale is explained here: >

[Talk-GB] weeklyOSM #524 2020-07-28-2020-08-03

2020-08-09 Thread weeklyteam
The weekly round-up of OSM news, issue # 524, is now available online in English, giving as always a summary of a lot of things happening in the openstreetmap world: https://www.weeklyosm.eu/en/archives/13472/ Enjoy! Did you know that you can also submit messages for the weeklyOSM? Just log

[OSM-talk-ie] weeklyOSM #524 2020-07-28-2020-08-03

2020-08-09 Thread weeklyteam
The weekly round-up of OSM news, issue # 524, is now available online in English, giving as always a summary of a lot of things happening in the openstreetmap world: https://www.weeklyosm.eu/en/archives/13472/ Enjoy! Did you know that you can also submit messages for the weeklyOSM? Just log

[Talk-ca] weeklyOSM #524 2020-07-28-2020-08-03

2020-08-09 Thread weeklyteam
The weekly round-up of OSM news, issue # 524, is now available online in English, giving as always a summary of a lot of things happening in the openstreetmap world: https://www.weeklyosm.eu/en/archives/13472/ Enjoy! Did you know that you can also submit messages for the weeklyOSM? Just log

[Talk-in] weeklyOSM #524 2020-07-28-2020-08-03

2020-08-09 Thread weeklyteam
The weekly round-up of OSM news, issue # 524, is now available online in English, giving as always a summary of a lot of things happening in the openstreetmap world: https://www.weeklyosm.eu/en/archives/13472/ Enjoy! Did you know that you can also submit messages for the weeklyOSM? Just log

[Talk-us] weeklyOSM #524 2020-07-28-2020-08-03

2020-08-09 Thread weeklyteam
The weekly round-up of OSM news, issue # 524, is now available online in English, giving as always a summary of a lot of things happening in the openstreetmap world: https://www.weeklyosm.eu/en/archives/13472/ Enjoy! Did you know that you can also submit messages for the weeklyOSM? Just log

[OSM-talk] weeklyOSM #524 2020-07-28-2020-08-03

2020-08-09 Thread weeklyteam
The weekly round-up of OSM news, issue # 524, is now available online in English, giving as always a summary of a lot of things happening in the openstreetmap world: https://www.weeklyosm.eu/en/archives/13472/ Enjoy! Did you know that you can also submit messages for the weeklyOSM? Just log

[Talk-africa] weeklyOSM #524 2020-07-28-2020-08-03

2020-08-09 Thread weeklyteam
The weekly round-up of OSM news, issue # 524, is now available online in English, giving as always a summary of a lot of things happening in the openstreetmap world: https://www.weeklyosm.eu/en/archives/13472/ Enjoy! Did you know that you can also submit messages for the weeklyOSM? Just log

[talk-ph] weeklyOSM #524 2020-07-28-2020-08-03

2020-08-09 Thread weeklyteam
The weekly round-up of OSM news, issue # 524, is now available online in English, giving as always a summary of a lot of things happening in the openstreetmap world: https://www.weeklyosm.eu/en/archives/13472/ Enjoy! Did you know that you can also submit messages for the weeklyOSM? Just log

[Talk-es] semanarioOSM Nº 524 2020-07-28-2020-08-03

2020-08-09 Thread theweekly . osm
Hola, el semanario Nº 524, el sumario de todo lo que está ocurriendo en el mundo de openstreetmap está en línea en *español*: https://www.weeklyosm.eu/es/archives/13472/ ¡Disfruta! ¿Sabías que también puedes enviar mensajes para la nota semanal sin ser miembro? Simplemente ingresa a

[Talk-cl] semanarioOSM Nº 524 2020-07-28-2020-08-03

2020-08-09 Thread theweekly . osm
Hola, el semanario Nº 524, el sumario de todo lo que está ocurriendo en el mundo de openstreetmap está en línea en *español*: https://www.weeklyosm.eu/es/archives/13472/ ¡Disfruta! ¿Sabías que también puedes enviar mensajes para la nota semanal sin ser miembro? Simplemente ingresa a

[OSM-co] semanarioOSM Nº 524 2020-07-28-2020-08-03

2020-08-09 Thread theweekly . osm
Hola, el semanario Nº 524, el sumario de todo lo que está ocurriendo en el mundo de openstreetmap está en línea en *español*: https://www.weeklyosm.eu/es/archives/13472/ ¡Disfruta! ¿Sabías que también puedes enviar mensajes para la nota semanal sin ser miembro? Simplemente ingresa a

[Talk-cu] semanarioOSM Nº 524 2020-07-28-2020-08-03

2020-08-09 Thread theweekly . osm
Hola, el semanario Nº 524, el sumario de todo lo que está ocurriendo en el mundo de openstreetmap está en línea en *español*: https://www.weeklyosm.eu/es/archives/13472/ ¡Disfruta! ¿Sabías que también puedes enviar mensajes para la nota semanal sin ser miembro? Simplemente ingresa a

[OSM-talk-fr] hebdoOSM Nº 524 2020-07-28-2020-08-03

2020-08-09 Thread theweekly . osm
Bonjour, Le résumé hebdomadaire n° 524 de l'actualité OpenStreetMap vient de paraître *en français*. Un condensé à retrouver sur : https://www.weeklyosm.eu/fr/archives/13472/ Bonne lecture ! Saviez-vous que vous pouvez vous aussi soumettre des messages pour la note hebdomadaire sans être

[talk-latam] semanarioOSM Nº 524 2020-07-28-2020-08-03

2020-08-09 Thread theweekly . osm
Hola, el semanario Nº 524, el sumario de todo lo que está ocurriendo en el mundo de openstreetmap está en línea en *español*: https://www.weeklyosm.eu/es/archives/13472/ ¡Disfruta! ¿Sabías que también puedes enviar mensajes para la nota semanal sin ser miembro? Simplemente ingresa a

[Talk-ca] hebdoOSM Nº 524 2020-07-28-2020-08-03

2020-08-09 Thread theweekly . osm
Bonjour, Le résumé hebdomadaire n° 524 de l'actualité OpenStreetMap vient de paraître *en français*. Un condensé à retrouver sur : https://www.weeklyosm.eu/fr/archives/13472/ Bonne lecture ! Saviez-vous que vous pouvez vous aussi soumettre des messages pour la note hebdomadaire sans être

[Talk-africa] hebdoOSM Nº 524 2020-07-28-2020-08-03

2020-08-09 Thread theweekly . osm
Bonjour, Le résumé hebdomadaire n° 524 de l'actualité OpenStreetMap vient de paraître *en français*. Un condensé à retrouver sur : https://www.weeklyosm.eu/fr/archives/13472/ Bonne lecture ! Saviez-vous que vous pouvez vous aussi soumettre des messages pour la note hebdomadaire sans être

[Talk-it] weeklyOSM #524 2020-07-28-2020-08-03

2020-08-09 Thread weeklyteam
Il settimanale di notizie su OSM, numero # 524, è ora disponibile online in italiano, fornendo come sempre un riassunto di molte cose che accadono nel mondo OpenStreetMap: https://www.weeklyosm.eu/it/archives/13472/ Buona lettura! Sai che possono anche inviare messaggi per il weeklyOSM?

[Talk-ht] hebdoOSM Nº 524 2020-07-28-2020-08-03

2020-08-09 Thread theweekly . osm
Bonjour, Le résumé hebdomadaire n° 524 de l'actualité OpenStreetMap vient de paraître *en français*. Un condensé à retrouver sur : https://www.weeklyosm.eu/fr/archives/13472/ Bonne lecture ! Saviez-vous que vous pouvez vous aussi soumettre des messages pour la note hebdomadaire sans être

Re: [OSM-talk] Roadmap for deprecation of name tags in OSM

2020-08-09 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via talk
Aug 9, 2020, 11:09 by pang...@riseup.net: > >"there is no such thing as an international name. Names are part of a > >language whih is part of a culture. They are not GIS objects and the > >osm datamodel does not handle this complexity well at all." > >> >> > >Are you aware that we have other

[Talk-br] semanárioOSM Nº 524 2020-07-28-2020-08-03

2020-08-09 Thread theweekly . osm
Bom dia, O semanárioOSM Nº 524, o resumo de tudo o que acontece no mundo OpenStreetMap, está publicado *em português* : https://www.weeklyosm.eu/pb/archives/13472/ Aproveite! Você sabia que também pode enviar mensagens para o OSM semanal/semanárioOSMſ sem ser membro? Basta fazer login em

[Talk-de] weeklyOSM #524 2020-07-28-2020-08-03

2020-08-09 Thread weeklyteam
Die Wochennotiz Ausgabe Nr. # 524, ist nun verfügbar - wie immer mit vielen Nachrichten aus dem OSM-Universium: https://www.weeklyosm.eu/de/archives/13472/ Viel Spaß beim Lesen. Euer Wochennotizteam Wusstet ihr, dass ihr auch selbst Meldungen für die Wochennotiz einreichen könnt? Einfach

[OSM-talk-fr] Anniversaire OSM et défibrillateurs

2020-08-09 Thread Yves P.
> Anniversaire OSM > > Que pouvons-nous faire ? > > Organiser une carto partie avec partage d'un gâteau d'anniversaire OSM > ? > Avec à l'issue, une photo : bravo aux Kabouliennes et Kabouliens >

Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Photos — Re: Projet du mois de septembre (en préparation) : défibrillateurs !

2020-08-09 Thread Yves P.
> Il faudrait aussi demander [la] licence [des photos]. Le Modèle standard de données V14.3 donne une piste : Champ LibelléTypeDescription Exemple Valeur Diffusion Valeur

Re: [OSM-talk] Roadmap for deprecation of name tags in OSM

2020-08-09 Thread Lester Caine
On 09/08/2020 09:42, Mateusz Konieczny via talk wrote: Aug 9, 2020, 10:25 by pang...@riseup.net : I suggest we create a roadmap for deprecating of storing and updating names in OSM for objects with a Wikidata tag. Absolutely no. tagging name tag is a

[Talk-es] Seguimos con jlcc78

2020-08-09 Thread xyg...@gmail.com
Este usuario continúa en su guerra particular contra la N-6: ahora su estrategia se basa en recurrir al catastro cuando a) no está actualizado y b) no es la fuente oficial para la denominación de las carreteras. Estos son los conjuntos de cambios que ha realizado hoy, hay otros de días pasados:

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