Re: [Talk-ca] BC2020 OD_tables wiki and project status

2018-01-28 Thread OSM Volunteer stevea
OK, I've redacted Halifax changes. From four to three (municipalities with license now "green.") Steve > On Jan 28, 2018, at 7:39 PM, Stewart C. Russell wrote: > > On 2018-01-28 09:16 PM, OSM Volunteer stevea wrote: >> Halifax also looks like it grants explicit permission. > > still needs an

Re: [Talk-ca] BC2020 OD_tables wiki and project status

2018-01-28 Thread Stewart C. Russell
On 2018-01-28 04:21 PM, Matthew Darwin wrote: > > Here is the licence (Federal): > http://open.canada.ca/en/open-government-licence-canada Here are some of the problems with that licence, in as many other people's word's as possible: * Like the OGL-UK, it doesn't deal with third-party rights. T

Re: [Talk-ca] BC2020 OD_tables wiki and project status

2018-01-28 Thread Stewart C. Russell
On 2018-01-28 02:42 PM, Jonathan Brown wrote: > > Okay, I know the Open Data folks and Open Government folks in Ontario. They're good people: say hi. > I can raise this licensing issue and how this is a barrier > to crowdsourcing and citizen science, something that they are keen on > embracing.

Re: [Talk-ca] BC2020 OD_tables wiki and project status

2018-01-28 Thread Stewart C. Russell
On 2018-01-28 09:16 PM, OSM Volunteer stevea wrote: > Halifax also looks like it grants explicit permission. still needs an approved import procedure and approaching LWG for approval - so it's not good to go by any means ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca

Re: [Talk-ca] BC2020 OD_tables wiki and project status

2018-01-28 Thread Stewart C. Russell
On 2018-01-28 05:19 PM, OSM Volunteer stevea wrote: > > PLEASE, I ask others to double- or triple- or multiple-check me here! Do > these (local licenses in Canada) reflect the current state of reality? We > (here in talk-ca) believe they do, we (OSM) welcome any updates directly to > the Cont

Re: [Talk-ca] BC2020 OD_tables wiki and project status

2018-01-28 Thread OSM Volunteer stevea
Halifax also looks like it grants explicit permission. Cautiously, I change Halifax to green (and remove strikeout type in Contributors), as I don't think we need LWG to "offer benediction" when the owner of the data grants explicit permission, as this link appears to do. If I'm wrong about th

Re: [Talk-ca] BC2020 OD_tables wiki and project status

2018-01-28 Thread OSM Volunteer stevea
Smiling here, thank you for wiki-ing fresher status in both wikis! (It's quite doable, yes?). Steve > On Jan 28, 2018, at 3:40 PM, Matthew Darwin wrote: > Great, seems like we have a list of 3 ok ones: > Ottawa (approved license) > Gatineau + Montreal (explicit approval provided) ___

Re: [Talk-ca] BC2020 OD_tables wiki and project status

2018-01-28 Thread Matthew Darwin
Great, seems like we have a list of 3 ok ones: Ottawa (approved license) Gatineau + Montreal (explicit approval provided) @James, do we have documentation as to where approval was given? Would be good to have this info on the wiki. Matthew Darwin matt...@mdarwin.ca http://www.mdarwin.ca

Re: [Talk-ca] BC2020 OD_tables wiki and project status

2018-01-28 Thread James
LWG blog post about CC-BY https://blog.openstreetmap.org/2017/03/17/use-of-cc-by-data/ as long as you have explicit permission to add data from city. It become compatible. I used "may" as in "should remain on the list because explicit permission was already obtained." On Jan 28, 2018 5:53 PM, "O

Re: [Talk-ca] BC2020 OD_tables wiki and project status

2018-01-28 Thread OSM Volunteer stevea
On Jan 28, 2018, at 2:39 PM, James wrote: > CC Attribution is compatible with explicit permission, so Gatineau and > Montreal may remain on the list. Oh, how I sometimes dislike the word "may!" I know, I know, our good talk-ca dialog intends to help wider understanding and consensus. This

Re: [Talk-ca] BC2020 OD_tables wiki and project status

2018-01-28 Thread James
CC Attribution is compatible with explicit permission, so Gatineau and Montreal may remain on the list. On Jan 28, 2018 5:20 PM, "OSM Volunteer stevea" wrote: > On Jan 28, 2018, at 1:27 PM, Matthew Darwin wrote: > > Steve A, > > I suspect nobody fully knows the current status of licences...

Re: [Talk-ca] BC2020 OD_tables wiki and project status

2018-01-28 Thread OSM Volunteer stevea
On Jan 28, 2018, at 1:27 PM, Matthew Darwin wrote: > Steve A, > I suspect nobody fully knows the current status of licences... So I would > agree with the action that you wrote: > every city except for Ottawa rightfully should be removed to end the > confusion, updating both wikis. OK, now do

Re: [Talk-ca] BC2020 OD_tables wiki and project status

2018-01-28 Thread john whelan
n whelan > *Sent: *Sunday, January 28, 2018 2:29 PM > *To: *Jonathan Brown > *Cc: *talk-ca@openstreetmap.org > *Subject: *Re: [Talk-ca] BC2020 OD_tables wiki and project status > > > > If you map from Bing imagery there is no issue. If you do map from Bing > please use the

Re: [Talk-ca] BC2020 OD_tables wiki and project status

2018-01-28 Thread Matthew Darwin
Brown <mailto:jonab...@gmail.com> *Cc: *talk-ca@openstreetmap.org <mailto:talk-ca@openstreetmap.org> *Subject: *Re: [Talk-ca] BC2020 OD_tables wiki and project status If you map from Bing imagery there is no issue.  If you do map from Bing please use the building_tool plugin in JOSM.  We tend to

Re: [Talk-ca] BC2020 OD_tables wiki and project status

2018-01-28 Thread Matthew Darwin
Jonathan *From: *john whelan <mailto:jwhelan0...@gmail.com> *Sent: *Sunday, January 28, 2018 2:29 PM *To: *Jonathan Brown <mailto:jonab...@gmail.com> *Cc: *talk-ca@openstreetmap.org <mailto:talk-ca@openstreetmap.org> *Subject: *Re: [Talk-ca] BC2020 OD_tables wik

Re: [Talk-ca] BC2020 OD_tables wiki and project status

2018-01-28 Thread James
data been integrated into > the Ottawa Open Data Portal? > > > > Jonathan > > > > *From: *john whelan > *Sent: *Sunday, January 28, 2018 2:29 PM > *To: *Jonathan Brown > *Cc: *talk-ca@openstreetmap.org > *Subject: *Re: [Talk-ca] BC2020 OD_tables wiki and pro

Re: [Talk-ca] BC2020 OD_tables wiki and project status

2018-01-28 Thread john whelan
support the mapathon event in the Niagara Region? > > > > Jonathan > > > > *From: *john whelan > *Sent: *Sunday, January 28, 2018 3:17 PM > *To: *Jonathan Brown > *Cc: *talk-ca@openstreetmap.org > *Subject: *Re: [Talk-ca] BC2020 OD_tables wiki and project stat

Re: [Talk-ca] BC2020 OD_tables wiki and project status

2018-01-28 Thread Jonathan Brown
there anything you think we need to add to support the mapathon event in the Niagara Region? Jonathan From: john whelan Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2018 3:17 PM To: Jonathan Brown Cc: talk-ca@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] BC2020 OD_tables wiki and project status The Ottawa building

Re: [Talk-ca] BC2020 OD_tables wiki and project status

2018-01-28 Thread john whelan
*john whelan > *Sent: *Sunday, January 28, 2018 2:29 PM > *To: *Jonathan Brown > *Cc: *talk-ca@openstreetmap.org > *Subject: *Re: [Talk-ca] BC2020 OD_tables wiki and project status > > > > If you map from Bing imagery there is no issue. If you do map from Bing > please us

Re: [Talk-ca] BC2020 OD_tables wiki and project status

2018-01-28 Thread OSM Volunteer stevea
On Jan 28, 2018, at 11:29 AM, john whelan wrote: > > If you map from Bing imagery there is no issue. If you do map from Bing > please use the building_tool plugin in JOSM. We tend to find new mappers > using iD are not very accurate. Thanks, John, that's a helpful history lesson. I've been

Re: [Talk-ca] BC2020 OD_tables wiki and project status

2018-01-28 Thread Jonathan Brown
Ottawa Open Data Portal? Jonathan From: john whelan Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2018 2:29 PM To: Jonathan Brown Cc: talk-ca@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] BC2020 OD_tables wiki and project status If you map from Bing imagery there is no issue.  If you do map from Bing please use the

Re: [Talk-ca] BC2020 OD_tables wiki and project status

2018-01-28 Thread john whelan
If you map from Bing imagery there is no issue. If you do map from Bing please use the building_tool plugin in JOSM. We tend to find new mappers using iD are not very accurate. If the city has an Open Data file of the building outlines then it must be available under a licence that OpenStreetMap

Re: [Talk-ca] BC2020 OD_tables wiki and project status

2018-01-28 Thread James
not only that but sometimes they add things that make it more or less compatible(previously bc and their unique privacy or something else) On Jan 28, 2018 2:14 PM, "OSM Volunteer stevea" wrote: > On Jan 28, 2018, at 10:50 AM, Jonathan Brown wrote: > > If we have a description of the scope of th

Re: [Talk-ca] BC2020 OD_tables wiki and project status

2018-01-28 Thread OSM Volunteer stevea
On Jan 28, 2018, at 10:50 AM, Jonathan Brown wrote: > If we have a description of the scope of the work involved in updating the > BC2020 OD tables, I don’t mind trying to find some senior students who could > be trained to take on this task for locations in Ontario. It would be a very > small

Re: [Talk-ca] BC2020 OD_tables wiki and project status

2018-01-28 Thread James
osm.eu/en/archives/9884/ > > > > Enjoy! > > > > weeklyOSM? > > who?: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WeeklyOSM#Available_Languages > > where?: https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/weeklyosm-is-currently- > produced-in_56718#2/8.6/108.3 > > > > -

Re: [Talk-ca] BC2020 OD_tables wiki and project status

2018-01-28 Thread Jonathan Brown
rom: OSM Volunteer stevea To: "Stewart C. Russell" , talk-ca Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] BC2020 OD_tables wiki and project status Message-ID: <1145fd9b-205b-4d3d-a8c8-0b2f5846a...@softworkers.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 On Jan 26, 2018, at 8:12 PM, Stewart C

Re: [Talk-ca] BC2020 OD_tables wiki and project status

2018-01-27 Thread OSM Volunteer stevea
On Jan 26, 2018, at 8:12 PM, Stewart C. Russell wrote: > On 2018-01-26 09:56 PM, OSM Volunteer stevea wrote: >> What I did was to "back-populate" the list of "approved" (by whom? when? >> how did these get here?) list of Canadian cities from >> https://wiki.osm.org/wiki/Contributors#Canadian_Mu

Re: [Talk-ca] BC2020 OD_tables wiki and project status

2018-01-26 Thread Stewart C. Russell
On 2018-01-26 09:56 PM, OSM Volunteer stevea wrote: > > What I did was to "back-populate" the list of "approved" (by whom? when? > how did these get here?) list of Canadian cities from > https://wiki.osm.org/wiki/Contributors#Canadian_Municipalities into OSM's > BC2020 wiki. These are very ol

Re: [Talk-ca] BC2020 OD_tables wiki and project status

2018-01-26 Thread OSM Volunteer stevea
On Jan 26, 2018, at 8:02 PM, Stewart C. Russell wrote: > If we got the Toronto licence approved tomorrow and none of the > municipal licences changed for the better, at this rate we'd have all of > the BC2020 data cleared for use by 2088 … Now, no reason to let optimism wither; nobody is saying t

Re: [Talk-ca] BC2020 OD_tables wiki and project status

2018-01-26 Thread Stewart C. Russell
On 2018-01-26 09:42 PM, john whelan wrote: > I'm under the impression that Ottawa was the first city to move to the > Open Data 2.0 licence created by Treasury Board. It still took some quick letter-writing/e-mail by James and some emergency grovelling by me to the OSMF Licensing group to get it a

Re: [Talk-ca] BC2020 OD_tables wiki and project status

2018-01-26 Thread OSM Volunteer stevea
On Jan 26, 2018, at 6:42 PM, john whelan wrote: > I'm under the impression that Ottawa was the first city to move to the Open > Data 2.0 licence created by Treasury Board. > > I'm also under the impression that it is the only one that has had its > benediction from the legal working group. Tr

Re: [Talk-ca] BC2020 OD_tables wiki and project status

2018-01-26 Thread john whelan
I'm under the impression that Ottawa was the first city to move to the Open Data 2.0 licence created by Treasury Board. I'm also under the impression that it is the only one that has had its benediction from the legal working group. Treasury Board of Canada put quite a lot of effort into updating

[Talk-ca] BC2020 OD_tables wiki and project status

2018-01-26 Thread OSM Volunteer stevea
The first (municipal) OD table in https://wiki.osm.org/wiki/WikiProject_Canada/Building_Canada_2020/building_OD_tables now uses green/yellow/red color-coding to better display accurate status in those cells of rows in the "License" and "Completion in OSM" columns. These give a certain "at a glan