Re: [Talk-GB] University of Northampton new campus - mapper required

2018-07-15 Thread David Earl
> > > Bing has some images, not sure how old they are. > > > > > > > > *From:* David Earl [mailto:da...@frankieandshadow.com > ] > *Sent:* 13 July 2018 17:11 > *To:* talk-gb@openstreetmap.org > *Subject:* [Talk-GB] University of Northampton new campus - m

[Talk-GB] University of Northampton new campus - mapper required

2018-07-13 Thread David Earl
The University of Northampton is opening a new campus very soon between between Bedford Road and New South Bridge Road. They would like to get a detailed campus map onto OSM as soon as possible, ideally by August 1. I haven't looked but I'm assuming this would have to be a ground survey as it is al

Re: [Talk-GB] Mapping dangerous - but valid - routes

2016-12-06 Thread David Earl
I also marked some cycle crossings as hazardous, but perhaps with a certain amount of official legitimacy, in that I was preparing the data to use in cycle maps for Cambridgeshire County Council, and the ones I marked were ones they had provided but *they* recognised were not satisfactory: marking

Re: [Talk-GB] John Watson School, Oxford

2016-10-07 Thread David Earl
Fwiw, there is the exact same situation in Ely: http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=17/52.40627/0.25878 David On Thu, 6 Oct 2016 at 19:19, Lester Caine wrote: > On 06/10/16 18:56, Christian Ledermann wrote: > > How to map this? > The staring point is if you can identify separate buildings. I've ma

Re: [Talk-GB] too many universities in Cambridge

2015-05-23 Thread David Earl
As I said, I think the upward compatible change for this is to use a tag with the unique ID of whatever operator (and I think URL would be a good one, not as a link, but an ID, since two people can't have the same one, and all orgs we'd be interested in would have one). That way operator remains th

Re: [Talk-GB] too many universities in Cambridge

2015-05-23 Thread David Earl
se not all operators are companies and it'#s UK specific. A URL as an ID might be OK though, as those must belong to the organisation in question. Though they are always subject to change. On Sat, 23 May 2015 at 13:36 David Woolley wrote: > On 23/05/15 12:02, David Earl wrote: > > T

Re: [Talk-GB] too many universities in Cambridge

2015-05-23 Thread David Earl
h the details then. Reorganising it dramatically four years on for the sake of it would probably mean U of C abandoning OSM as being too costly to maintain. On Sat, 23 May 2015 at 12:43 Andy Mabbett wrote: > On 22 May 2015 at 14:58, David Earl wrote: > > > Yes, the operator tags are th

Re: [Talk-GB] too many universities in Cambridge

2015-05-23 Thread David Earl
ch to indicate just the > pitches (ie the white lines of a football pitch). Currently there are > situations with two 'pitches' on top of each other. > > http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=17/51.40868/-2.37860 > > David Fox > > On 22/05/2015 14:58, David Earl wrote: &

Re: [Talk-GB] too many universities in Cambridge

2015-05-23 Thread David Earl
gt; > >1. Add operator tags to existing amenity=university elements >2. Develop some consensus ideas about mapping of university hospitals >& multi-hospital campuses >3. Think about some tags to manage federated bodies (perhaps just >federated_operator

Re: [Talk-GB] too many universities in Cambridge

2015-05-22 Thread David Earl
s involved. But not today! On Fri, 22 May 2015 at 14:49 Andy Allan wrote: > On 22 May 2015 at 14:27, David Earl wrote: > > Andy, the operator tags are all the same, not the building names. > > No, they really aren't. > > http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/148247775 - &

Re: [Talk-GB] too many universities in Cambridge

2015-05-22 Thread David Earl
Andy, the operator tags are all the same, not the building names. But also the assertion "within a few dozen miles" is wrong, as for Nottingham in China. On Fri, 22 May 2015 at 14:23 Andy Allan wrote: > On 22 May 2015 at 14:03, Christopher Baines wrote: > > On 21/05/15 22:39, Dan S wrote: > >>

Re: [Talk-GB] too many universities in Cambridge

2015-05-22 Thread David Earl
he university map is that when you get a search hit where the result blobs are overlapping they should be merged into one. This is very hard to do, so it will cost a lot. On Fri, 22 May 2015 at 12:40 Dan S wrote: > 2015-05-22 12:33 GMT+01:00 David Earl : > >> to render a map using

Re: [Talk-GB] too many universities in Cambridge

2015-05-22 Thread David Earl
ve? On Fri, 22 May 2015 at 12:30 David Earl wrote: > Does the main OSM rendering understand building=university? > > > On Fri, 22 May 2015 at 12:27 Dan S wrote: > >> Hi David, >> >> Thanks for the detailed info. My main concern is in terms of the >> conseque

Re: [Talk-GB] too many universities in Cambridge

2015-05-22 Thread David Earl
s/universities/whatever-we-agree-it-should-be-on - would that work > for you? My quick overpass check suggests that would address about 800 > of the 1200 objects. > > Best > Dan > > > 2015-05-22 11:54 GMT+01:00 David Earl : > > Hi Dan, > > > > Yes, Philip's

Re: [Talk-GB] too many universities in Cambridge

2015-05-22 Thread David Earl
though that feels > wrong, since the colleges are independent entities). It's *not* a candidate > for a relation because there are no geographical relationships between the > components. > > Richard > > On Fri, May 22, 2015 at 11:54 AM, David Earl > wrote: > >>

Re: [Talk-GB] too many universities in Cambridge

2015-05-22 Thread David Earl
On Fri, 22 May 2015 at 11:54 David Earl wrote: > The "schema" for tags that make the University map work is at > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Cambridge/University_of_Cambridge > (I've just realised I haven't updated that page with a recent, unrelated > new

Re: [Talk-GB] too many universities in Cambridge

2015-05-22 Thread David Earl
bits, and bear in mind this has a direct financial cost to me as a freelancer supporting the University map, and that the University has been a big benefactor for OSM, even though they get the rest of the map back in return, so you really don't want to give them a slap in the face for doing s

Re: [Talk-GB] Life Ring - British English

2014-06-16 Thread David Earl
On 16/06/2014 12:04, Brad Rogers wrote: On Mon, 16 Jun 2014 11:05:34 +0200 Andreas Goss wrote: Hello Andreas, Is life ring how it is commonly referred to in British English. Just Always been referred to as lifebelts wherever I've been in England. Lifebuoy immediately makes me think of soap

Re: [Talk-GB] Town v City (again, sorry!)

2014-04-22 Thread David Earl
If you want to know population, we should use a population tag. Given its history, much as we might like to pretend otherwise, place=city etc really *is* no more than an arbitrary hint to the renderer, and not much good either because it doesn't reflect the other criteria that would determine h

Re: [Talk-GB] Mapping Indoor walkways

2014-04-04 Thread David Earl
On 04/04/2014 20:01, David Earl wrote: http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/147456596 http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/148248008 I'll post some photos of what these actually look like in a moment. http://www.frankieandshadow.com/xref/covered1.jpg http://www.frankieandshadow.com/xref/covered

Re: [Talk-GB] Mapping Indoor walkways

2014-04-04 Thread David Earl
On 04/04/2014 19:40, Dudley Ibbett wrote: I visited the NEC this week and tried using Osmand to navigate between Birmingham International Railway Station and the Hilton Hotel. Whilst the map was very helpful and has lots of detail, the suggested route took you via roads. How might you map the w

Re: [Talk-GB] Town v City

2014-02-25 Thread David Earl
On 25/02/14 13:07, Philip Barnes wrote: > That is absolutely my point, we should tag the facts and leave it to > different renderers to then use those facts in the way that best suits > their users. The question that needs to be answered is what "fact" does place=city represent in UK

Re: [Talk-GB] Town v City

2014-02-25 Thread David Earl
place=city, contrary to various differing cultural uses of the word City, used to be somewhere over a certain population, 100K IIRC. However, it appears the definition on the wiki has been substantially relaxed, as has town. Nevertheless it is still defined by size, albeit woolly: "The largest

Re: [Talk-GB] Somerset Levels Flooding

2014-02-06 Thread David Earl
I think it would be useful to have a means of indicating road closures etc which are different from simply pretending the road doesn't exist or doesn't allow certain users for a while. This would allow renderers to mark closures rather than just gaps or not visible at all, so people see there is

Re: [Talk-GB] Upcoming changes to OpenStreetMap.org website

2013-12-02 Thread David Earl
link. Or http://Blogs.OpenStreetMap.org gets you there too of course Cheers Andy *From:*Brian Prangle [mailto:bpran...@gmail.com] *Sent:* 02 December 2013 16:17 *To:* Talk GB *Subject:* Re: [Talk-GB] Upcoming changes to OpenStreetMap.org website Where do I find community blogs now? On 2 December 2013 16

Re: [Talk-GB] Upcoming changes to OpenStreetMap.org website

2013-12-02 Thread David Earl
link. Or http://Blogs.OpenStreetMap.org gets you there too of course Cheers Andy *From:*Brian Prangle [mailto:bpran...@gmail.com] *Sent:* 02 December 2013 16:17 *To:* Talk GB *Subject:* Re: [Talk-GB] Upcoming changes to OpenStreetMap.org website Where do I find community blogs now? On 2 December 2013 16

Re: [Talk-GB] Upcoming changes to OpenStreetMap.org website

2013-12-02 Thread David Earl
Andy Robinson wrote: But how do I get the box back now that I’ve closed it ;-) Both the links it provided are duplicated in the banner anyway (Learn More == About and Start Mapping == Sign Up), it was always only signposting these more prominently. David __

Re: [Talk-GB] Upcoming changes to OpenStreetMap.org website

2013-12-02 Thread David Earl
Excellent, the close has been added. Thank you to whoever did that - thanks for listening. I also noticed on my rail journey yesterday that the GPS also tracks location on the main map, which I think is a really nice touch. David On 02/12/2013 13:17, Philip Barnes wrote: Not sure if its be

Re: [Talk-GB] Upcoming changes to OpenStreetMap.org website

2013-11-16 Thread David Earl
On 15/11/2013 20:15, Rob Nickerson wrote: (The aim of this email is to provide prior knowledge of an upcoming change to the OSM website and to give you an opportunity to provide constructive feedback) One other thing... notes are really helpful, and not immediately new though they were introd

Re: [Talk-GB] Upcoming changes to OpenStreetMap.org website

2013-11-16 Thread David Earl
On 15/11/2013 20:15, Rob Nickerson wrote: (The aim of this email is to provide prior knowledge of an upcoming change to the OSM website and to give you an opportunity to provide constructive feedback) I very much like the fact it is responsive on small screens. Would it be possible to have a

Re: [Talk-GB] Advice needed for maxweight turning restriction

2013-10-14 Thread David Earl
On 12/10/2013 21:00, Philip Barnes wrote: I came across an odd situation where a road is on way, except for cycles and vehicles over 13'3" high. Its a residential area of Shrewsbury which would be a useful rat run, hence the oneway. But to make it complicated, there is are industrial units, and a

Re: [Talk-GB] Using store locator as source

2013-09-16 Thread David Earl
On 16/09/2013 17:35, Adam Hoyle wrote: On 16 Sep 2013, at 16:14, Andy Allan wrote: Err, no. That's not how the law works - either on copyright or on database rights. Lol, good point - perhaps I should ask if any of them can attribute a license to the locations on their sites - what would be t

Re: [Talk-GB] Phone numbers in little England

2013-08-22 Thread David Earl
Bournemouth (01202)[1] and before long Brighton and Hove (01273), Aberdeen (01224), Milton Keynes (01908), Bradford (01274) and Cambridge (01223) which are all running short of numbers[2], require or will require the 'area code' to be dialled as part of the number, even if you are inside the ar

Re: [Talk-GB] Usage of "lanes / turn restrictions" versus "multiple ways" when road is not divided

2013-05-09 Thread David Earl
On 09/05/2013 13:30, Oliver Jowett wrote: If there's a better way to represent this while keeping enough information to be able to route sensibly, how should it be done? You can set up turn restrictions with relations where necessary. But as John said, it doesn't do much for pedestrians (or cy

Re: [Talk-GB] Usage of "lanes / turn restrictions" versus "multiple ways" when road is not divided

2013-05-09 Thread David Earl
On 09/05/2013 12:56, Jason Cunningham wrote: UK legislation is fairly clear that Traffic Islands (with or without hatched markings before are after) are not considered to create two carriagways. We're not mapping legislation, but nethertheless I wouldnt create two carriageways for a traffic islan

Re: [Talk-GB] Complaining about refs on roads again!

2013-05-01 Thread David Earl
On 01/05/2013 09:15, Robert Whittaker (OSM lists) wrote: if someone comes with an alternative proposal for tagging those reference numbers on more minor roads (i.e. a specific key to use), which gains widespread support in the UK, I'd be happy to go along with that. According to http://wiki.ope

Re: [Talk-GB] Missing place=city nodes: Manchester, Leeds

2013-04-28 Thread David Earl
On 28/04/2013 15:21, Andrew wrote: David Earl writes: In general, it shouldn't be necessary to have a node and an area which represent the same thing. In this case the nodes and areas do not represent the same thing. The areas are the local government districts called Leed

Re: [Talk-GB] Missing place=city nodes: Manchester, Leeds

2013-04-28 Thread David Earl
On 28/04/2013 13:57, Dave F. wrote: General point: Please don't attach place tags onto other way/polygon objects. They often get deleted when the ways are unpicked then re-added. Indeed. And I would say don't try to use nodes or ways for multiple purposes at all. So putting a node at the tiown

Re: [Talk-GB] Missing place=city nodes: Manchester, Leeds

2013-04-28 Thread David Earl
On 28/04/2013 09:49, Nick Whitelegg wrote: Hi, I've noticed (through doing nominatim searches) that a small number of UK cities (i.e. Manchester and Leeds) do not appear to have a place=city node, only an administrative boundary. Is this deliberate? I've tried other large UK cities and all of t

Re: [Talk-GB] NCN 28?

2013-04-20 Thread David Earl
On 20/04/2013 13:58, Kevin Peat wrote: I am not that familiar with NCN signage. Why are the route numbers sometimes shown in brackets and sometimes not? Just as with ordinary road signs in the UK, the number in brackets means "this is the way to route N" rather than being route N itself. Dav

Re: [Talk-GB] Ambiguous restrictions sign

2013-03-20 Thread David Earl
On 20/03/2013 09:25, Brad Rogers wrote: Both those links are the same, and both seem to point (for me anyway) to the original "except buses" junction. It's not just you, Andy. I got the same result and thought it "must be me". Sigh. I corrected them immediately afterwards. _

Re: [Talk-GB] Ambiguous restrictions sign

2013-03-19 Thread David Earl
On 19/03/2013 20:34, David Earl wrote: On 19/03/2013 20:10, Simon Blake wrote: Could I ask the panel about http://goo.gl/maps/y9Zj3 ? If you look towards the road to the right (Parliament St, Gloucester), there are No Entry signs with no exceptions signed, but on the road it says "Buse

Re: [Talk-GB] Ambiguous restrictions sign

2013-03-19 Thread David Earl
On 19/03/2013 20:10, Simon Blake wrote: Could I ask the panel about http://goo.gl/maps/y9Zj3 ? If you look towards the road to the right (Parliament St, Gloucester), there are No Entry signs with no exceptions signed, but on the road it says "Buses and taxis only". Equally, the sign under the gre

Re: [Talk-GB] Ambiguous restrictions sign

2013-03-19 Thread David Earl
On 19/03/2013 14:04, David Fisher wrote: Hi Shaun, I take it you're referring to Ipswich? In which case, I can sort of see the logic. It's not "one-way", it's "no entry", so when the excepting conditions are satisfied it becomes two-way. In Croydon's case there's that "no motor vehicles" sign

Re: [Talk-GB] Using UK postcode data to generate a heat map

2013-01-30 Thread David Earl
Do you know about openheatmap (http://www.openheatmap.com )? Basically you can supply spreadsheets of locations vs data and it will do the graphics for you. It doesn't know about postcodes, but if you have the means to get locations for postcodes you don't have to do any of the rest. David On

Re: [Talk-GB] Anyone famiiar with Hay-on-Wye?

2013-01-06 Thread David Earl
On 06/01/2013 14:02, SomeoneElse wrote: I recently deleted a doodle in Hay-on-Wye, but after doing so noticed that to there northwest there seem to be a cycle path and a footpath _very_ close together: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=52.073537&lon=-3.130221&zoom=18&layers=M I guess that this

Re: [Talk-GB] Added road schemes announced in the Autumn Statement in OSM

2012-12-11 Thread David Earl
On 11/12/2012 12:29, Andy Robinson wrote: From: Dave F. [mailto:dave...@madasafish.com] wrote: Sent: 11 December 2012 12:16 Cc: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Added road schemes announced in the Autumn Statement in OSM On 11/12/2012 11:18, John Sturdy wrote: Yes --- administra

Re: [Talk-GB] Ambiguous restrictions sign

2012-10-31 Thread David Earl
On 31/10/2012 15:29, Andy Robinson wrote: Shaun McDonald [mailto:sh...@shaunmcdonald.me.uk] wrote: Sent: 31 October 2012 15:21 To: Matt Williams Cc: Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Ambiguous restrictions sign On 31 Oct 2012, at 14:49, Matt Williams wrote: On 31 October 2012

Re: [Talk-GB] Building Numbers

2012-07-25 Thread David Earl
On Wednesday, July 25, 2012, Chris Hill wrote: > On 25/07/12 22:16, Chris Baines wrote: > >> I have been playing around with OSM on my university's campus [1], I >> have most of the buildings and their names on OSM, but not the >> numbers. My university are quite good with data, you can see the >>

Re: [Talk-GB] Stations and platforms=*

2012-06-28 Thread David Earl
On 28/06/2012 11:41, Jonathan Bennett wrote: On 28/06/2012 11:32, David Earl wrote: Might this be of help, if the info were included with the station. It seems to be "official": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_railway_station_categories If I could find the actual *i

Re: [Talk-GB] Stations and platforms=*

2012-06-28 Thread David Earl
Might this be of help, if the info were included with the station. It seems to be "official": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_railway_station_categories David On 28/06/2012 11:15, Jonathan Bennett wrote: tl;dr: Please tag your local station(s) with platforms=n where n<>2 I had a c

Re: [Talk-GB] England Cycling Data project: DfT cycling data now available for merging

2012-06-20 Thread David Earl
On 20/06/2012 14:57, Graham Stewart (GrahamS) wrote: Merging this data I see that some ways that just lead to an NCN route (but are not actually part of the continuous route) are still marked with the ncn=yes;ncn_ref=xx tags for the route the lead to. What's the feeling on this? I'm a bit torn:

Re: [Talk-GB] HS2 route is open data!

2012-01-23 Thread David Earl
On 23/01/2012 20:21, Jason Cunningham wrote: Good to see the data being released, But I don't believe this "proposed" route should yet be added to OSM. You'll regularly here the phrase "map what's on the ground", but we all(?) accept upcoming changes to "what's on the ground" can be mapped, a

Re: [Talk-GB] Misguided user kane123

2012-01-13 Thread David Earl
I bet you this is liam123 in a different guise. He's editing in the same area doing quite similar things. David On 13/01/2012 13:41, Andy Allan wrote: Anyone fancy dealing with http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/kane123 ? All of their changesets so far are bogus, and need reverting. Cheers, An

Re: [Talk-GB] License change & anonymous edits

2012-01-10 Thread David Earl
On 10/01/2012 16:05, Richard Fairhurst wrote: David Earl wrote: Why does pressing the keys make any difference whatsoever? The original contributor doesn't own the copyright in the name, only their contribution, and by marking it odbl clean I'm making an alternative contribution whi

Re: [Talk-GB] License change & anonymous edits

2012-01-10 Thread David Earl
On 10/01/2012 14:53, Frederik Ramm wrote: Hi, On 01/10/12 15:37, Frederik Ramm wrote: Yes, the trouble is when Frederik pointed this out and referred to the page, it says it is for cases where the suspect edit has been wiped out, not simply verified from other sources. How can you change the na

Re: [Talk-GB] License change & anonymous edits

2012-01-10 Thread David Earl
On 10/01/2012 13:46, Richard Fairhurst wrote: Michael Collinson wrote: +1 to Richard's suggestion odbl=clean Just a tiny little clarification - this isn't something I've dreamed up, it's a real live tag with 9,000 occurrences in the database already, and which is being used by status visualisa

Re: [Talk-GB] License change & anonymous edits

2012-01-10 Thread David Earl
On 10/01/2012 11:44, Peter Miller wrote: Is there no way in this case to formally 'claim' the IPR for this features on the basis that we have moved them and edited all the surrounding features? Exactly the question I raised on talk on Monday. I don't think you even need to have moved anything,

Re: [Talk-GB] Project Drake - mapping the University of Cambridge

2011-12-07 Thread David Earl
On 06/12/2011 12:54, Stephen Gower wrote: On Mon, Dec 05, 2011 at 05:44:48PM +, David Earl wrote: I was appointed to the project from that [...] Congratulations! Thank you! and also published the tagging schema I'm working to ( http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Camb

[Talk-GB] Project Drake - mapping the University of Cambridge

2011-12-05 Thread David Earl
You may remember the announcement of the University of Cambridge's OpenStreetMap project back in July ( http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-gb/2011-July/012067.html ). I was appointed to the project from that and I have now written up a bit about what I'm doing on my OSM diary ( htt

Re: [Talk-GB] Copyright issues of checking details on other websites

2011-07-05 Thread David Earl
On 05/07/2011 12:28, Nick Austin wrote: On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 11:58 AM, David Earl wrote: To take a different example, the Royal Mail (still) claims database copyright over the PAF (postcode address file) database. Would crowd sourcing the address vs postcode data by each individual putting

Re: [Talk-GB] Copyright issues of checking details on other websites

2011-07-05 Thread David Earl
On 05/07/2011 11:26, Richard Fairhurst wrote: David Earl wrote: Even then, to infringe database copyright under UK law you would have to copy a "substantial" part of the database. Checking or obtaining a few names against such a list isn't database copyright infringement Oh,

Re: [Talk-GB] Copyright issues of checking details on other websites

2011-07-05 Thread David Earl
On 05/07/2011 10:51, Richard Fairhurst wrote: Exactly that. If you want a very very broad rule of thumb, you could ask "am I checking these contact details against a database of contact details?". If so (e.g. tesco.com list of their stores, beerintheevening.com list of pubs, etc.), then don't d

Re: [Talk-GB] OSM Analysis New Data and bot

2011-06-09 Thread David Earl
On 09/06/2011 17:36, Ed Avis wrote: What stops more people using OSM? While I agree with your other points, even before you get to the data, I think the first reason is people don't know about it. And for most people, why would you not just use Google maps even if you did? David _

Re: [Talk-GB] Roadside cycle-lanes vs. off-road cycle-paths

2011-04-15 Thread David Earl
On 15/04/2011 19:50, David Earl wrote: there's various lane indications such as cycleway=lane ... PS if you want examples, Cambridge and the surrounding area is particularly dense with all the variations of these all over the place.

Re: [Talk-GB] Roadside cycle-lanes vs. off-road cycle-paths

2011-04-15 Thread David Earl
there's various lane indications such as cycleway=lane cycleway=opposite_lane cycleway:left=lane cycleway:right=lane for various configurations of lane. For separate from road, generally this is done similar to carriageways of dual carriageways, with a separate way, tagged highway=cyclew

Re: [Talk-GB] Update to OSM Analysis

2011-02-03 Thread David Earl
On 03/02/2011 14:30, Tom Hughes wrote: I wonder how much of that jump was people blindly copying names from the OS anywhere it showed a difference... That's exactly what happened round me. I had started work on surveying the differences to determine which was correct when another contributor cam

Re: [Talk-GB] Postcode centroids

2011-01-21 Thread David Earl
On 21/01/2011 10:10, Tom Hughes wrote: On 21/01/11 10:02, Kevin Peat wrote: So I should delete the various admin boundaries in the db then as they cannot be viewed on the ground? They may not be viewable on the ground, but they are real in the sense that somebody has defined them by reference

Re: [Talk-GB] Postcode centroids

2011-01-21 Thread David Earl
On 21/01/2011 10:02, Kevin Peat wrote: So I should delete the various admin boundaries in the db then as they cannot be viewed on the ground? Well said. I absolutely agree admin boundaries have the same kind of status as postcodes. I think there is value in visualising postcodes, and while y

Re: [Talk-GB] Street name disagreement - whose right or wrong?

2010-12-26 Thread David Earl
On Sunday, 26 December 2010, Richard wrote: > My personal opinion is that "Signed on the ground" should always take > precedence. +1 But you can always use alt_ name where there is another variant (or even completely different name). David ___ Talk-

[Talk-GB] Visualising speed limits

2010-11-01 Thread David Earl
On 01/11/2010 19:36, David Earl wrote: > > On Monday, November 1, 2010, Andy Allan  wrote: > > On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 9:52 PM, Colin Smale  wrote: > > On 29/10/2010 22:22, thomas van der veen wrote: > You might like to take note that nothing is implicit in OSM. There are no &

Re: [Talk-GB] Visualising speed limits

2010-11-01 Thread David Earl
On Monday, November 1, 2010, Andy Allan wrote: > On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 9:52 PM, Colin Smale wrote: >> On 29/10/2010 22:22, thomas van der veen wrote: > >> You might like to take note that nothing is implicit in OSM. There are no >> "defaults" as renderers or other consumers of the map data are

[Talk-GB] Launch of Mapping for Change social enterprise

2010-06-29 Thread David Earl
This reached me via a roundabout route about an event on Thursday late afternoon. Is anyone from OSM involved? Is anyone going? Is someone in the London area able to go? Looks light up our street, so to speak. http://www.mappingforchange.org.uk and in particular: http://www.mappingforchange.or

Re: [Talk-GB] tracing lakes with Potlatch

2010-04-06 Thread David Earl
On 06/04/2010 17:51, Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) wrote: > A lot of stuff nowadays is done from aerial imagery, but they can still drop > back to traditional surveying methods if required. It was a strange coincidence that I met an OS surveyor, theodolite in hand, doing just that when I was o

Re: [Talk-GB] building shapes from OS Street View

2010-04-05 Thread David Earl
On 05/04/2010 18:41, Graham Jones wrote: > I would like to see a plugin for josm that takes a raster input > (landsat, yahoo, StreetView) and processes it into 'draft' ways around > areas of constant(ish) colour - the user then tidies it up and tags it > before uploading (ie I would be very wary of

Re: [Talk-GB] Ordnance Survey

2010-04-05 Thread David Earl
I thought it was very interesting to look at the OS and OSM overlaid on each other on the WMS link someone posted. 1. I was very impressed with how really accurate OSM is compared to OS where I know it has been done systematically 2. I was disappointed to see how out of date the OS data is - st

Re: [Talk-GB] London Underground roundel

2010-03-25 Thread David Earl
On 25/03/2010 14:10, Tom Chance wrote: > We only do it for public services, otherwise OSM gets into the business > of promoting particular companies. I'm not particularly advocating that we do this, but is that really so? As long as we were even handed about it surely that wouldn't be promoting

Re: [Talk-GB] London Underground roundel

2010-03-25 Thread David Earl
On 25/03/2010 13:36, Thomas Wood wrote: > Wow, good work. I suppose this will start a flood of localisation > requests for other metro systems, this will probably be a good thing - > it'll force our mapnik localisation to be made better! (maybe I could > target it as a GSoC project for myself...)

[Talk-GB] London Underground roundel

2010-03-25 Thread David Earl
tions on the map were we to ask them, as essentially free advertising, and I do hope TfL might be able to take that position also. Many thanks, David Earl ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb

Re: [Talk-GB] Questions about highway classification

2010-03-09 Thread David Earl
On 09/03/2010 11:29, Nathan Edgars II wrote: > I'm currently trying to form a sort of consensus as to the best way of > defining the classes of highway in the US, and a bit of information > about the UK would help. I know about the definitions used > (trunk=primary route network, primary=A roads, s

Re: [Talk-GB] National Cycle Network - filling the gaps

2010-03-08 Thread David Earl
Does anyone know what happens to ncn11 south of Stansted Mountfitchet? I mapped it through to there a few months ago and then went back to take it further but couldn't find it on the ground. I'd assumed it followed the Lea valley maybe via Bishops Stortford and Harlow, but the signs just se

Re: [Talk-GB] Two dozen mapping parties

2010-02-17 Thread David Earl
On 17/02/2010 18:07, Jonathan Bennett wrote: > The residential areas and suburbs of *any* town aren't places you'd > normally go unless you had to, but we do to map them. I started getting nervous in King's Lynn when I found ordinary residential streets, albeit very shabby looking, were being mon

Re: [Talk-GB] Two dozen mapping parties

2010-02-17 Thread David Earl
On 17/02/2010 12:11, Andy Allan wrote: > I think it would be great[1] if we had at least two dozen mapping > parties this summer around the UK. We'll certainly be doing more round Cambridgeshire in the coming months. A group of us has been collectively plugging away at Wisbech and NE Cambs and t

Re: [Talk-GB] Ordnance Survey response

2010-01-14 Thread David Earl
On 14/01/2010 18:27, Dave F. wrote: > Andy, The taxpayers have already paid for it, many times over. I resent > having to pay £7.50 for a map I've already financed to construct. > As I've paid for it, I think it should be given to me free of charge. For a paper map, I think not. You've helped pay

Re: [Talk-GB] Kent County Council Highways Gazetteer

2010-01-03 Thread David Earl
On 03/01/2010 11:36, Colin Smale wrote: > While searching the internet for arbitration in a case where "local > wisdom" appeared to conflict with OSM data I came across the Kent County > Council Highways Gazetteer. It contains a "complete" list of roads in > Kent, including their reference, road nu

[Talk-GB] OSM mention on You and Yours

2009-12-07 Thread David Earl
There was an item on this lunchtime's You and Yours on BBC Radio 4 (a consumer magazine programme) about mapping, Ordnance Survey and satnav, which also mentioned OSM. It's 35:30 minutes in at http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/console/b00p4l7x David __

Re: [Talk-GB] Adding some additional building around the Angel area of London?

2009-11-11 Thread David Earl
On 11/11/2009 12:44, Peter Childs wrote: > OSM also has the advantage that you can render your map your self, If > you want Yellow Primary Roads, London Transport Symbol for train > stations etc etc then go ahead, If you infridge copy right on your own > rendering its not in the OSM data so OSM can

Re: [Talk-GB] Adding some additional building around theAngel areaof London?

2009-11-11 Thread David Earl
On 11/11/2009 12:40, Peter Miller wrote: > I do also agree with Richard in that there are numerous possible map > styles emphasising many different sorts of features in a lot of > different languages Sure, but there are some that are so iconic they are the expectation. And as others said and h

Re: [Talk-GB] Adding some additional building around the Angel areaof London?

2009-11-11 Thread David Earl
that e.g. Starbucks would be more than happy for us to use their logo to show their store locations on the map were we to ask them, as essentially free advertising, and I do hope TfL might be able to take that position also. Many thanks, David Earl _

Re: [Talk-GB] Adding some additional building around the Angel area of London?

2009-11-11 Thread David Earl
On 11/11/2009 10:39, Richard Mann wrote: > I found this a useful summary of the UK copyright position: > > http://www.copyrightservice.co.uk/copyright/p09_fair_use That's about the general concept. > This was the reason for my comment that our use on a street map would be > akin to news report

Re: [Talk-GB] Adding some additional building around the Angel area of London?

2009-11-10 Thread David Earl
On 10/11/2009 19:35, Peter Miller wrote: > On 10 Nov 2009, at 19:05, Tom Chance wrote: >> We get permission from TfL, or we seek costly legal advice. > > I agree that the cautious approach would be to ask. I was wondering if > we could use the argument that it is in the background (as is a photo

Re: [Talk-GB] Adding some additional building around the Angel area of London?

2009-11-10 Thread David Earl
On 10/11/2009 15:02, Richard Mann wrote: > But simply reproducing their name or logo to represent them is just free > advertising, and they'd be laughed out of court. Rubbish. It's their property and they can decide who uses it and where. They may well not have any objection, but if they did, yo

Re: [Talk-GB] Adding some additional building around the Angel area of London?

2009-11-10 Thread David Earl
ks" on > the map? I say put it on, and take it off if they complain. > > Richard > > On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 2:22 PM, David Earl <mailto:da...@frankieandshadow.com>> wrote: > > On 10/11/2009 13:21, Peter Miller wrote: > > On 10 Nov 2009, at 12:

Re: [Talk-GB] Adding some additional building around the Angel area of London?

2009-11-10 Thread David Earl
On 10/11/2009 13:21, Peter Miller wrote: > On 10 Nov 2009, at 12:41, Ed Avis wrote: > >> Are we legally permitted to use the Underground roundel and national >> rail arrows? > > No idea! It would seem totally bizarre if we were not, but it might > well be the case - it could even have a trade

Re: [Talk-GB] Inaccurate Sea Boundary of England

2009-10-15 Thread David Earl
On 15/10/2009 11:02, Ed Avis wrote: > Ed Loach writes: > >> As only Sealand recognise Sealand and no >> UN member does (from the wiki article you quote), I can't see the >> claim that the sea boundary of England is wrong can be justified. > > Who would have expected an edit war in the English Ch

[Talk-GB] Wisbech mapping party

2009-10-14 Thread David Earl
I'm planning a mapping party for the weekend of 14/15 November to map Wisbech, Cambridgeshire and environs. Anyone fancy a weekend in the Fens? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Fenland/WisbechMappingParty2009-11 David ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-

Re: [Talk-GB] Ordnance Survey 7th series available

2009-10-11 Thread David Earl
On 07/10/2009 14:07, David Earl wrote: > On 07/10/2009 12:28, Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) wrote: >> Which NPE WMS are you using. Is it by any change the "nick" version on dev? > > Indeed it is. That's presumably the setting I've had all along. > >

Re: [Talk-GB] Ordnance Survey 7th series available

2009-10-07 Thread David Earl
On 07/10/2009 12:28, Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) wrote: > Which NPE WMS are you using. Is it by any change the "nick" version on dev? Indeed it is. That's presumably the setting I've had all along. > I get a much better alignment for that area with the re-rectified NPE tiles > from TimSC's s

Re: [Talk-GB] Ordnance Survey 7th series available

2009-10-07 Thread David Earl
NPE maps have always had major alignment problems which have seemed to me to be worse in the eastern side of the country. There's also a new problem, but I don't know whether it is in the JOSM WMS plugin, the tile server or what. Consider three JOSM screenshots: http://www.frankieandshadow.com/

[Talk-GB] Royal Mail lawyers demand closure of postcode lookup site

2009-10-06 Thread David Earl
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/10/06/royal_mail_ernest_marples_postcodes/ ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb

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