Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Potential huge License violation - anyone know anything about this?

2010-06-02 Thread SteveC
That's actually a pretty bad way to resolve the issue, since the publisher is liable for damages and you can absolve them of that and make things far worse by individually contacting or publishing these infringements pre-emptively. Unless you have a law degree. Individuals enforcing

Re: [OSM-talk] Garmin Maps

2010-05-21 Thread SteveC
interesting: http://reviews.ebay.co.uk/When-Items-Get-Lost-In-The-Post_W0QQugidZ103212591 out of interest, does RM actually compensate you then? On May 21, 2010, at 7:07 AM, Andy Allan wrote: On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 9:34 PM, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: Why do you take

Re: [OSM-talk] [Geowanking] closedstreetmap.org

2010-05-20 Thread SteveC
link to contact info and a outline of an argument for appealing why and how the data could be opened. Andrew On May 19, 2010, at 8:04 PM, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: If anyone wants the above domain name, let me know as it expires in a month. Yours c. Steve

Re: [OSM-talk] [Geowanking] closedstreetmap.org

2010-05-20 Thread SteveC
of an argument for appealing why and how the data could be opened. Andrew On May 19, 2010, at 8:04 PM, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: If anyone wants the above domain name, let me know as it expires in a month. Yours c. Steve ___ Geowanking

Re: [OSM-talk] Garmin Maps

2010-05-20 Thread SteveC
Why do you take responsibility for postal losses? That seems super bad luck. You're running a business right not a socialist theocracy. Just put a note on the checkout that says uninsured postal delivery: £4 recorded, insured delivery: £10 or whatever. On May 18, 2010, at 5:03 AM, Andy Allan

[OSM-talk] closedstreetmap.org

2010-05-19 Thread SteveC
If anyone wants the above domain name, let me know as it expires in a month. Yours c. Steve ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Wiki contributions

2010-05-17 Thread SteveC
On May 17, 2010, at 5:01 AM, Iván Sánchez Ortega wrote: El 17/05/2010 1:53, SteveC escribió: I'll send you a I love you bean and give you a big kiss on stage at SOTM. How about it? That'd be quite gay, Steve. You're just jealous :-) Yours c. Steve

Re: [OSM-talk] new logo

2010-05-16 Thread SteveC
On May 16, 2010, at 10:35 AM, Frederik Ramm wrote: Robert, Robert Martinez wrote: There has to be a design department for OSM with authority and competence [...] My conclusion is a plea to the project management: please try to find a capable design team as soon as you can! Do

Re: [OSM-talk] new logo

2010-05-16 Thread SteveC
On May 16, 2010, at 1:58 PM, Kai Krueger wrote: He's just pointing out what I did a few months back - the design, usability and aesthetic of OSM is a big mess. My vote is that we just put him in charge of fixing it, but I don't really want another fight with all of those who know little

Re: [OSM-talk] new logo

2010-05-16 Thread SteveC
On May 16, 2010, at 2:29 PM, Frederik Ramm wrote: About your things have gotten old an crusty - do you remember how many million times in the API 0.3 or 0.4 days we had some GIS acolyte parachuting in and treating us like idiots because we weren't using PostGIS but MySQL instead? Did we

Re: [OSM-talk] Wiki contributions (was: new logo)

2010-05-16 Thread SteveC
On May 16, 2010, at 2:42 PM, Frederik Ramm wrote: Hi, Kai Krueger wrote: There, we really could use some great designers, marketing and PR folk, journalists or who ever else feels up to the task of presenting OSM to the newbie in an appealing and accurate way to make sure they understand

Re: [OSM-talk] Wiki contributions

2010-05-16 Thread SteveC
kiss on stage at SOTM. How about it? Yours c. Steve On May 16, 2010, at 4:59 PM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Hi, SteveC wrote: Only a large scale change is going to fix that, bar a few things that you've already shot down like having a feedback tab. Something so obvious

Re: [OSM-talk] new logo

2010-05-16 Thread SteveC
On May 16, 2010, at 4:51 PM, Frederik Ramm wrote: Time for a data model czar and throw away all this backward looking shit of tagging freedom? Well if you think about it Frederik, I was the data model czar. You mean that to keep pace with Waze and Google Map Maker, we should simply drop

Re: [OSM-talk] Proposed human readable contributor terms

2010-05-14 Thread SteveC
awesome On May 14, 2010, at 2:19 PM, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote: I've created a proposed version of the human readable contributor terms on the wiki: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Open_Database_License/Contributor_Terms/Human_readable The wording can doubtless be improved

Re: [OSM-talk] new logo

2010-05-13 Thread SteveC
this could be a good SOTM talk too? On May 13, 2010, at 9:32 AM, Robert Martinez wrote: Hello OpenStreetMappers, I would love to offer a special contribution to the project: a new logo! I hope the community (you) will give me some feedback and possibly help me to get the launch done.

Re: [OSM-talk] new logo

2010-05-13 Thread SteveC
On May 13, 2010, at 10:12 AM, Gregory wrote: On 13 May 2010 16:46, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: this could be a good SOTM talk too? +1 But aren't we in the 'process' of changing the OSMF logo? I think it's really important the two logos both share elements. A lot of OSMF logo

[OSM-talk] Are you in / near Bosnia-Herzegovina?

2010-05-13 Thread SteveC
Then please get in touch with this guy... Begin forwarded message: From: Vladimir Lepusina vl...@info.ba Date: May 13, 2010 10:28:23 AM MDT To: SteveC st...@asklater.com Subject: RE: Bosnian editors Please do, someone will eventually get back to me; looking by Banja Luka / Sarajevo wiki

Re: [OSM-talk] new logo

2010-05-13 Thread SteveC
On May 13, 2010, at 1:50 PM, Robert Martinez wrote: What exactly would you expect to be the talk about? Explain in detail why you feel the logo needs help using examples, and show how you think it can be improved / replaced. On 05/13/2010 05:46 PM, SteveC wrote: this could be a good SOTM

[OSM-talk] New users have to sign up to the ODbL

2010-05-12 Thread SteveC
After several thousand man years of effort by the License Working Group and a bit of help by TomH, the new contributor terms and license are up and to be agreed to by new users. Signing up here in OSM: https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/new will take you here:

Re: [Talk-us] Resigning in protest

2010-05-12 Thread SteveC
It's pretty bonkers. Anyone is welcome to join the LWG call each week or read the minutes, and be as involved as you like. License changes will always throw up people who don't like it, and the LWG has been going through peoples legitimate and illegitimate concerns for two years I think it's

Re: [Talk-us] Resigning in protest

2010-05-12 Thread SteveC
On May 11, 2010, at 5:20 PM, Chris Hunter wrote: Well, between the new links on the map and today's WIKI edit, it looks like the Brits have decided to shove the ODbL down our throats after all. I have major philosophical issues with the way the license change is being handled, and feel

[Talk-us] SOTM USA

2010-05-12 Thread SteveC
Minutes for SOTM US run out in March http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_United_States/US_SOTM#Weekly_calls There aren't any sponsors to speak of? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_United_States/US_SOTM/Sponsorship The server is still blank? http://openstreetmap.us/

Re: [Talk-us] SOTM USA

2010-05-12 Thread SteveC
:43 AM, SteveC wrote: Minutes for SOTM US run out in March http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_United_States/US_SOTM#Weekly_calls There aren't any sponsors to speak of? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_United_States/US_SOTM/Sponsorship The server is still blank

Re: [Talk-us] SOTM USA

2010-05-12 Thread SteveC
On May 12, 2010, at 2:16 PM, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: It's been pointed out that there is a SOTM US website, but it's mostly empty right now: http://stateofthemap.us/ This wasn't even linked from the wiki, I fixed that. There is a phone call tomorrow which I guess uses

Re: [Talk-us] Resigning in protest

2010-05-12 Thread SteveC
On May 12, 2010, at 5:30 PM, Anthony wrote: On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 10:35 AM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Hi, SteveC wrote: I am being careful to only delete objects that have not been touched since I created them - roads, portions of the TN River, etc... Please respect

Re: [OSM-talk] Russians at it again

2010-05-06 Thread SteveC
maybe we could get some of them to SOTM to explain their thinking? On May 6, 2010, at 3:25 PM, John Smith wrote: On 7 May 2010 07:15, Milo van der Linden m...@dogodigi.net wrote: My personal opinion: Let them. It is a good thing they are figuring out how to enjoy OpenStreetMap without

Re: [Talk-us] US meetups?

2010-04-30 Thread SteveC
FYI I am in cooperstown speaking at a thing next month, getting there via Albany. On Apr 28, 2010, at 12:04 PM, Richard Welty wrote: On 4/28/10 1:59 PM, Richard Weait wrote: Any US OSM meetups other than these three? Any other fixed addresses for local US OSM meetings?

Re: [Talk-us] US meetups?

2010-04-30 Thread SteveC
We've run a few ad hoc events in Denver off facebook because it's free. On Apr 28, 2010, at 11:59 AM, Richard Weait wrote: Any US OSM meetups other than these three? Any other fixed addresses for local US OSM meetings? http://www.meetup.com/Atlanta-OpenStreetMap/

Re: [Talk-us] US meetups?

2010-04-30 Thread SteveC
there's also the OSM calendar on the wiki, which has an RSS feed. On Apr 29, 2010, at 9:19 AM, Ian Dees wrote: Keep in mind that we have openstreetmap.us and a couple servers sitting around waiting for a use. Perhaps we could set up a similar thing for the US-based meetups and events? Or

Re: [Talk-us] US meetups?

2010-04-30 Thread SteveC
correctly we have donated servers re Ian and SteveC has the domain openstreetmap.us ( http://www.mail-archive.com/talk-us@openstreetmap.org/msg02623.html). That way we can serve the needs of current members but also have an engaging centralized place were newbies can go to find resources

Re: [Talk-GB] GB Chapter

2010-04-24 Thread SteveC
don't think so On Apr 24, 2010, at 5:07 AM, Christopher Osborne wrote: Did we get anywhere with starting a GB Chapter? -- Christopher Osborne www.itoworld.com ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Talk-us] State of the Map U.S. Website

2010-04-13 Thread SteveC
odesk.com or 99designs ? On Apr 12, 2010, at 4:18 PM, Kate Chapman wrote: Hey All, Would anyone like to help stylize the SOTM U.S. Website? We have a logo and just need some help pulling it together and making it look a bit more professional. Most of us working on it are backend

[OSM-talk] Announcing closedstreetmap.org

2010-04-01 Thread SteveC
Google, Waze and OSMF have partnered on a common initiative to explore crowd-sourced mapping solutions. Yes, this is real. See: www.closedstreetmap.org for the full press release. Contact me if you want to be involved. ___ talk mailing list

Re: [OSM-talk] Announcing closedstreetmap.org

2010-04-01 Thread SteveC
On Apr 1, 2010, at 10:13 AM, Niklas Cholmkvist wrote: Google, Waze and OSMF have partsnip Just to users of OSM from countries and cultures that do not know about April the 1st, read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/April_Fools% 27_Day I was born in Sweden. April fools is very popular

[OSM-talk] Announce: OpenOS

2010-03-27 Thread SteveC
As you've probably heard the Ordnance Survey is going to open some data next week. We don't exactly know what data or what license it will be under but there's a reasonable chance it won't be importable in to OSM because either the data will be low scale or released with an incompatible

[Talk-GB] Announce: OpenOS

2010-03-27 Thread SteveC
As you've probably heard the Ordnance Survey is going to open some data next week. We don't exactly know what data or what license it will be under but there's a reasonable chance it won't be importable in to OSM because either the data will be low scale or released with an incompatible

Re: [Talk-us] Bylaws for OpenStreetMap US Chapter

2010-03-25 Thread SteveC
On Mar 24, 2010, at 8:05 PM, Kate Chapman wrote: All good comments. The one I did want to address Thanks.. but how are the other ones going to be addressed then?? is the incorporating in the District instead of Delaware for example. The reason everyone incorporates in Delaware partially

Re: [Talk-us] CA: Mapping Party this weekend suggestion for draft foundation comments

2010-03-25 Thread SteveC
On Mar 25, 2010, at 9:19 AM, Sarah Manley wrote: Hey All, Just a reminder (esp to anyone who may be coming in early for where 2.0), there is a mapping party this weekend:http://www.meetup.com/Bay-Area-OpenStreetMappers/calendar/12726887/ Can I request that comments to the foundation

Re: [Talk-us] New car dealer uses OSM in TV spot

2010-03-24 Thread SteveC
awesome let us know when it's up! On Mar 24, 2010, at 5:18 PM, Alex S. wrote: I am watching a re-run tv show, and mere minutes ago saw an ad for a local new car dealership - they are touting their location in this one, and used imagery from OSM mapnik in their spot. They made a few minor

Re: [Talk-us] Bylaws for OpenStreetMap US Chapter

2010-03-24 Thread SteveC
On Mar 24, 2010, at 7:08 PM, Kate Chapman wrote: Hi All, We would like to incorporate the US Chapter soon and have bylaws up. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Foundation/Local_Chapters/United_States/Draft_Rules Could everyone check them out and provide feedback to me or on the wiki

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] Going to Where 2.0 and Want to Work the Booth?

2010-03-23 Thread SteveC
we've done it before at wherecamp over lunch, makes much more sense then than friday when everyone wants to just go home or drink beer On Mar 23, 2010, at 6:19 AM, Kate Chapman wrote: There has been some discussion about having a mapping party the Friday after Where 2.0. Also I'm not sure,

[Talk-GB] GB Chapter

2010-03-23 Thread SteveC
All I've talked to a few people recently in the UK geo-scene about various partnerships and other bits and bobs that would make sense for OSM. Unfortunately they don't make a whole lot of sense to do anything official with OSMF. It would make a lot more sense if there was a GB/UK chapter of

Re: [Talk-us] Going to Where 2.0 and Want to Work the Booth?

2010-03-23 Thread SteveC
we've done it before at wherecamp over lunch, makes much more sense then than friday when everyone wants to just go home or drink beer On Mar 23, 2010, at 6:19 AM, Kate Chapman wrote: There has been some discussion about having a mapping party the Friday after Where 2.0. Also I'm not sure,

[OSM-talk] What do you wish you'd known?

2010-03-19 Thread SteveC
What are the thing or things you know know that you wish you'd known when you started with OpenStreetMap? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

[OSM-talk] talk in amsterdam

2010-03-17 Thread SteveC
Do you have what it takes to do a talk at the Location Business Summit on April 28th - 29th at the Hotel Okura in Amsterdam. if so, get in touch because I can't face another flight across the atlantic. Yours c. Steve ___ talk mailing list

[OSM-talk] Logo vote

2010-03-17 Thread SteveC
Hi all We've narrowed down the OSMF logo's some time ago and have been waiting for someone to write a voting script so that OSMF members can vote for the winner. But that someone is very busy. Does anyone here want to step up and make it happen? Yours c. Steve

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] Logo vote

2010-03-17 Thread SteveC
yes there's a subset On Mar 17, 2010, at 1:08 PM, Ian Dees wrote: On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 2:04 PM, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: I don't really care how it's done, what I'm looking for is someone to do it... Is there a particular set of logos from the logo page [0] you are voting

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] Logo vote

2010-03-17 Thread SteveC
cool - can you do it then? On Mar 17, 2010, at 1:08 PM, Vincent Pottier wrote: Le 17/03/2010 19:33, Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) a écrit : Well, you wouldn't be saying that if you had to sift through those 300 emails yourself! Cheers It's not very hard if you send an email (better

Re: [OSM-talk] First drop in planet size ?

2010-03-11 Thread SteveC
lots of dupe node removal? On Mar 11, 2010, at 3:50 PM, Nic Roets wrote: (since we got rid of the segments) From 8.2 GB to 8.1 GB: http://planet.openstreetmap.org/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Talk-us] US Local Chapter Temporary Board Update

2010-03-11 Thread SteveC
Congrats to all who made it in and everyone else too for all the efforts made. On Mar 5, 2010, at 7:35 AM, Kate Chapman wrote: Hi U.S. Mappers, Since the election of the temporary OSM U.S. Chapter board we have chosen positions, which are as follows: President: Kate Chapman Vice

[Talk-us] Fwd: Invitation to the Flourish 2010: Mini Exposition

2010-03-11 Thread SteveC
Anyone near Chicago that can help? Begin forwarded message: From: Aisha Halim aishaha...@gmail.com Date: March 11, 2010 2:29:42 PM GMT To: SteveC st...@asklater.com Subject: Re: Invitation to the Flourish 2010: Mini Exposition Oh I'm sorry-- sure, anyone local around Chicago, IL who could

[OSM-talk] Fwd: [Talk-us] UX Review

2010-03-09 Thread SteveC
whoops - this was meant for talk! Begin forwarded message: From: Peter Batty peter.ba...@gmail.com Date: March 9, 2010 9:32:48 AM EST To: SteveC st...@asklater.com Cc: Talk Openstreetmap talk...@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-us] UX Review I very highly recommend this book on web

[OSM-talk] Fwd: [Talk-us] UX Review

2010-03-09 Thread SteveC
making sure this goes to talk@ too... Begin forwarded message: From: Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com Date: March 9, 2010 9:36:37 AM EST To: SteveC st...@asklater.com Cc: Talk Openstreetmap talk...@openstreetmap.org, p...@opengeodata.posterous.com Subject: Re: [Talk-us] UX Review On Tue

[Talk-GB] Sheffield / Nottingham

2010-03-09 Thread SteveC
Anyone in Sheffield or Nottingham want to meet up next week drop me a line, doing a talk on OSM in Nottingham too at the uni. Yours c. Steve ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb

[OSM-talk] OpenGeoData

2010-03-08 Thread SteveC
This is my 6-monthly-or-so call for people who want to contribute to OpenGeoData.org to get in touch. It's now extra simple, you just mail an address and it gets posted to the blog and the @openstreetmap twitter account. Anyone can help out with things like posting the image of the week when it

Re: [Talk-us] meeting minutes, March 4th 2010 conference call

2010-03-04 Thread SteveC
can't you just copy it in to your email? Not a lot of text after all. On Mar 4, 2010, at 7:01 PM, Richard Welty wrote: the minutes for tonight's conference call may be found here on google docs: http://docs.google.com/View?id=dc9fx534_2fk694xc3 richard

Re: [Talk-us] meeting minutes, March 4th 2010 conference call

2010-03-04 Thread SteveC
I think so - better than the extra click. We should do this in OSMF too, I don't think we do... Mike? Yours c. Steve On Mar 4, 2010, at 8:50 PM, Richard Welty wrote: On 3/4/10 10:37 PM, SteveC wrote: can't you just copy it in to your email? Not a lot of text after all. well, yes, i

Re: [Talk-us] New List: osm-professional

2010-03-03 Thread SteveC
On Mar 3, 2010, at 9:57 AM, Frederik Ramm wrote: Hi, Serge Wroclawski wrote: Most people know what professional behavior is, and if things get out of hand, we'll talk to them. Semi-moderated means at first, all post and all people will be moderated. Over time, we'll probably get go of

Re: [Talk-us] New List: osm-professional

2010-03-03 Thread SteveC
On Mar 3, 2010, at 11:53 AM, SteveC wrote: If we're throwing the 1st amendment out the door, can the moderators at least post to the list when you decide something is not allowable on your arbitrary(?) scale of bad speech, and why? Then we all have transparency. /me waits to see if I get

Re: [OSM-talk] HOT ready? Concepción, Chile eart hquake

2010-02-28 Thread SteveC
All we need are earthquakes on every square mile of the planet, and OSM will be complete in no time! :-) On Feb 27, 2010, at 9:51 AM, Mikel Maron wrote: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/2010_Chile_earthquake Thanks to Harry Wood and others for getting the wiki up. Inquiries on satellite

Re: [Talk-GB] Kent County Council Highways Gazetteer

2010-02-27 Thread SteveC
WHy excluding Medway? Isn't KCC HQ in Chatham? On Feb 26, 2010, at 11:54 AM, Colin Smale wrote: I applied to KCC for permission to use data from their Highways Gazetteer in OSM. They have approved on the condition that the data is attributed to them. My request and their official reply are

[OSM-talk] With apologies to RichardF/FakeSteveC

2010-02-25 Thread SteveC
Recently I've been a bit negative about potlatch and by over-extension to RichardF. I apologise, sorry! To make amends, I have ordered an amazing I love you bean: http://www.thinkgeek.com/geektoys/science/c6f0/ http://www.thinkgeek.com/images/products/front/c6f0_i_love_you_bean.jpg and a

Re: [OSM-talk] Thoughts on OSM design, and looking forward and back

2010-02-24 Thread SteveC
On Feb 24, 2010, at 2:27 AM, Andy Allan wrote: On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 11:42 PM, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: Thanks for your thoughtful comments... And I hope you've taken some of them on board. You don't seem to make any realistic suggestions for moving forward and just, instead

Re: [OSM-talk] Thoughts on OSM design, and looking forward and back

2010-02-24 Thread SteveC
On Feb 24, 2010, at 2:37 AM, Andy Allan wrote: On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 12:07 AM, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: * Freeze PL1 (TomH enforces no more updated on the server) and work on PL2 Wow. You'd really try to prevent any improvements that have been coded from being deployed? That's

Re: [OSM-talk] Thoughts on OSM design, and looking forward and back

2010-02-24 Thread SteveC
Chris On Feb 24, 2010, at 6:16 AM, Chris Hill wrote: SteveC wrote: [snip] Right up front we have the school of thought that everything is perfect the way it is. That uservoice is some kind of inherently crappy system (see the uservoice ideas page at http://osm.uservoice.com/ ). That we

Re: [OSM-talk] Thoughts on OSM design, and looking forward and back

2010-02-24 Thread SteveC
On Feb 24, 2010, at 7:28 AM, Andy Allan wrote: On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 2:08 PM, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: On Feb 24, 2010, at 2:37 AM, Andy Allan wrote: On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 12:07 AM, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: * Freeze PL1 (TomH enforces no more updated on the server

Re: [OSM-talk] Thoughts on OSM design, and looking forward and back

2010-02-24 Thread SteveC
On Feb 24, 2010, at 7:35 AM, Andy Allan wrote: On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 2:06 PM, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: On Feb 24, 2010, at 2:27 AM, Andy Allan wrote: On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 11:42 PM, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: Sure, you don't like the way I communicate sometimes Hmm

Re: [OSM-talk] Thoughts on OSM design, and looking forward and back

2010-02-24 Thread SteveC
Yours c. Steve On Feb 24, 2010, at 7:56, Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 8:44 AM, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: Can't you just get over yourself and admit that a newbie coming to OSM has a crap time? It's not hard! Stop defending it all. Steve, I don't

Re: [OSM-talk] Thoughts on OSM design, and looking forward and back

2010-02-24 Thread SteveC
On Feb 24, 2010, at 12:16, Jean-Guilhem Cailton j...@arkemie.com wrote: Thanks a lot Steve, for underlining the need to improve the experience of new visitors. And thanks for such a positive response and all your work. This is right on spot with what we have been feeling regarding Haiti.

Re: [OSM-talk] Thoughts on OSM design, and looking forward and back

2010-02-24 Thread SteveC
On Feb 24, 2010, at 8:47, Michal Migurski m...@stamen.com wrote: On Feb 24, 2010, at 6:21 AM, SteveC wrote: You believe that feedback is a good thing, but, it seems, only if the feedback confirms your own ideas. You have railed against the UI, against hard-working volunteer contributors

Re: [OSM-talk] Thoughts on OSM design, and looking forward and back

2010-02-24 Thread SteveC
On Feb 24, 2010, at 13:18, Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote: On Thu, 25 Feb 2010, SteveC wrote: Andy, building community and moving things on is not just be nice to everyone all the time. Sometimes it's also about being honest and saying, this is wrong, we can fix it. * Steve apologies

Re: [OSM-talk] Thoughts on OSM design, and looking forward and back

2010-02-24 Thread SteveC
Ha :-) Believe it or not I only just found out mapzen is GPL And as I pointed out before, it shares problems with PL like not having an open community behind it. Yours c. Steve On Feb 24, 2010, at 13:44, Jamie Smith jamiekrsm...@googlemail.com wrote: On 24 February 2010 09:42, SteveC

[OSM-talk] Thoughts on OSM design, and looking forward and back

2010-02-23 Thread SteveC
I really liked something I read in The New New thing ( http://www.amazon.com/New-Thing-Silicon-Valley-Story/dp/0140296468/ref=ntt_at_ep_dpi_7 ) about Jim Clark ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_H._Clark ) when the author Michael Lewis would ask about the past of his companies and stuff he'd

Re: [OSM-talk] Thoughts on OSM design, and looking forward and back

2010-02-23 Thread SteveC
On Feb 23, 2010, at 2:27 PM, John Smith wrote: On 24 February 2010 06:17, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: In the middle we have a bunch of thought on how the site should or shouldn't be. Legitimate questions about putting the map or help up front, or using OSB or uservoice, or some new

Re: [OSM-talk] Thoughts on OSM design, and looking forward and back

2010-02-23 Thread SteveC
On Feb 23, 2010, at 2:07 PM, Ian Dees wrote: On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 2:17 PM, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: I know matt takes it personally that the logo is anything other than perfect, and richard takes it personally that potlatch is crap for newbies... but that's just fact

Re: [OSM-talk] Thoughts on OSM design, and looking forward and back

2010-02-23 Thread SteveC
On Feb 23, 2010, at 2:46 PM, Tom Hughes wrote: On 23/02/10 21:35, SteveC wrote: oh sure - if you have any specific ones that annoy you I can try and explain why I was short. I think mainly it was just very annoying how TomH pissed all over it straight away which is actually pretty unlike

Re: [OSM-talk] Thoughts on OSM design, and looking forward and back

2010-02-23 Thread SteveC
On Feb 23, 2010, at 2:33 PM, John Smith wrote: On 24 February 2010 07:30, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: For the 3 millionth time, I'm not proposing uservoice for map bugs! :-) Well the same question goes for any proposal, but you keep mentioning them, but the question is still valid

Re: [OSM-talk] Thoughts on OSM design, and looking forward and back

2010-02-23 Thread SteveC
On Feb 23, 2010, at 2:50 PM, Tom Hughes wrote: On 23/02/10 21:46, SteveC wrote: On Feb 23, 2010, at 2:46 PM, Tom Hughes wrote: Did you read the long blog post I wrote the next morning where I attempted to be more constructive? No, sorry Tom, where was that? http://compton.nu/2010

Re: [OSM-talk] Thoughts on OSM design, and looking forward and back

2010-02-23 Thread SteveC
it all in that tab too)... I dunno how we'd realistically answer the question of a total new start over design - pretty hard. On Feb 23, 2010, at 3:12 PM, SteveC wrote: On Feb 23, 2010, at 2:50 PM, Tom Hughes wrote: On 23/02/10 21:46, SteveC wrote: On Feb 23, 2010, at 2:46 PM, Tom

Re: [OSM-talk] Thoughts on OSM design, and looking forward and back

2010-02-23 Thread SteveC
Thanks Dermot, you put it better than I did. On Feb 23, 2010, at 2:05 PM, Dermot McNally wrote: On 23 February 2010 20:17, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: An excellent and though-provoking post. It's rare to read something of that length on such touchy subjects and agree with so much

Re: [OSM-talk] Thoughts on OSM design, and looking forward and back

2010-02-23 Thread SteveC
On Feb 23, 2010, at 2:07 PM, Ian Dees wrote: On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 2:17 PM, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: I know matt takes it personally that the logo is anything other than perfect, and richard takes it personally that potlatch is crap for newbies... but that's just fact

Re: [OSM-talk] Thoughts on OSM design, and looking forward and back

2010-02-23 Thread SteveC
, and we're just ignoring the ideas because we don't like them? That's a hard one to call. Yours c. Steve On Feb 23, 2010, at 3:40 PM, Tom Hughes wrote: On 23/02/10 22:12, SteveC wrote: As you can see from uservoice, things you highlight like routing are very important to people out there. You

Re: [OSM-talk] Thoughts on OSM design, and looking forward and back

2010-02-23 Thread SteveC
. Steve On Feb 23, 2010, at 4:29 PM, Andy Allan wrote: On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 8:17 PM, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: I know matt takes it personally that the logo is anything other than perfect, and richard takes it personally that potlatch is crap for newbies... but that's just fact

Re: [OSM-talk] Thoughts on OSM design, and looking forward and back

2010-02-23 Thread SteveC
On Feb 23, 2010, at 4:27 PM, Frederik Ramm wrote: Steve, it would be easier for me if you could fragment your ideas more and then propose them in digestible 20-line blocks or so. And then distribute this over a few weeks instead of creating a flurry every half year. Do you have an

Re: [OSM-talk] Thoughts on OSM design, and looking forward and back

2010-02-23 Thread SteveC
On Feb 23, 2010, at 4:37 PM, Steve Doerr wrote: On 23/02/2010 20:17, SteveC wrote: [snip] What's uservoice? What's trac? What's PL1? :-) UserVoice is a neat feedback-as-a-service website which lets anyone put a feedback tab on their site and collect user views on what should be fixed

Re: [OSM-talk] Thoughts on OSM design, and looking forward and back

2010-02-23 Thread SteveC
On Feb 23, 2010, at 5:01 PM, John Smith wrote: On 24 February 2010 09:42, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: You don't seem to make any realistic suggestions for moving forward and just, instead, suggest potlatch is fine as is the front page. That doesn't seem to be in touch with the reality

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] OSM front page design concept

2010-02-21 Thread SteveC
On Feb 21, 2010, at 12:55 AM, Apollinaris Schoell wrote: openstreetbugs is basically there but has a crappy UI. It needs to be 1) click 'feedback' or 'problem' 2) enter problem 3) click ok ok and then? who will pick it up and fix it? I will. look at openstreetbugs and most could

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] OSM front page design concept

2010-02-21 Thread SteveC
On Feb 21, 2010, at 1:05 AM, Tom Hughes wrote: On 21/02/10 07:16, SteveC wrote: On Feb 20, 2010, at 11:13 PM, Frederik Ramm wrote: SteveC wrote: http://opengeodata.org/new-design-concept-for-openstreetmaporg Whatever merits the (external, commercial) uservoice.com service might have

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] OSM front page design concept

2010-02-21 Thread SteveC
On Feb 21, 2010, at 1:08 AM, Tom Hughes wrote: On 21/02/10 07:38, SteveC wrote: On Feb 20, 2010, at 11:20 PM, Frederik Ramm wrote: SteveC wrote: Wrong. Map bugs. Did you read my post Fred ? :-) So you meant to integrate uservoice.com instead of integrating openstreetbugs? But can

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] OSM front page design concept

2010-02-21 Thread SteveC
On Feb 21, 2010, at 1:15 AM, Kai Krueger wrote: the extra step of clicking where the problem is should not happen, we should get that from the bbox or center point plus zoom. So with some changes I think we can integrate OSB and expose it front and center to help fix up the bugs. Are

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] OSM front page design concept

2010-02-21 Thread SteveC
On Feb 21, 2010, at 4:54 AM, Robert Funnell wrote: On Sun, 21 Feb 2010, SteveC wrote: ... It's very clear that nobody can convince Richard to actually write something any muggle would really want to use, you can scream at him to finish the mythical Potlatch 2 all you want, but he doesn't

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] OSM front page design concept

2010-02-21 Thread SteveC
On Feb 21, 2010, at 8:03 AM, Dave F. wrote: How is zooming all the way in repeatedly panning around to centre up, quicker than one click to _accurately_ locate the problem? Hi, you've never done a UI review. http://usability.wikimedia.org/wiki/UX_and_Usability_Study Money quote: Every

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] OSM front page design concept

2010-02-21 Thread SteveC
On Feb 21, 2010, at 3:49 AM, Chris Hill wrote: SteveC wrote: 2) We have to be very clear that the openstreetmap.org website is _awful_. Horrendous. A total PITA. We're all here because we're persistent with it. But the wonderful thing is - we don't have to make the tools and site easy

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] OSM front page design concept

2010-02-21 Thread SteveC
On Feb 21, 2010, at 9:23 AM, Dave F. wrote: Hi, you've never done a UI review. http://usability.wikimedia.org/wiki/UX_and_Usability_Study Money quote: Every user in this study struggled to get a basic grasp of the editing interface. Despite users’ overall excitement about

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] OSM front page design concept

2010-02-21 Thread SteveC
On Feb 21, 2010, at 9:38 AM, Dave F. wrote: SteveC wrote: Oh, please... ...Yawn. That kind of sums you up. /me prods the troll Yours c. Steve ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] OSM front page design concept

2010-02-21 Thread SteveC
On Feb 21, 2010, at 9:56 AM, Dave F. wrote: SteveC wrote: On Feb 21, 2010, at 9:38 AM, Dave F. wrote: SteveC wrote: Oh, please... ...Yawn. That kind of sums you up. /me prods the troll I'm a troll because I disagree with you? No, because you live under a bridge with your

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] OSM front page design concept

2010-02-21 Thread SteveC
On Feb 21, 2010, at 11:49 AM, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote: On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 16:36, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: ... It's very clear that nobody can convince Richard to actually write something any muggle would really want to use, you can scream at him to finish the mythical

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] OSM front page design concept

2010-02-21 Thread SteveC
The problem with your analysis is pretty simple - maybe those people left because the site was crap, not because they inherently don't like adding more than 10 things. Maybe if we make it better, they will add a lot more. On Feb 21, 2010, at 3:01 PM, Apollinaris Schoell wrote: Instead of

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] OSM front page design concept

2010-02-21 Thread SteveC
On Feb 21, 2010, at 18:57, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/2/21 SteveC st...@asklater.com: Sure. In Germany you have this amazing community where there's a stamptish around every corner. But out here it's much harder and we need these easier tools to build

[OSM-talk] OSM front page design concept

2010-02-20 Thread SteveC
I've posted a design concept with description and invitation for feedback here: http://opengeodata.org/new-design-concept-for-openstreetmaporg Yours c. Steve ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

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