Re: [Talk-hr] ratni plan za unos bankomata

2010-09-28 Per discussione Janko Mihelić
2010/9/26 hbogner hbog...@gmail.com Onda napraviti samo listu unesenih bankomata na wikiju, znaci samo onih koji su nacrtani :D Eto, onda se čini da su svi za google doc. A upisane možemo i u wiki :D ___ Talk-hr mailing list

Re: [talk-ph] Cabanatuan and Santa Rosa nodes in Nueva Ecija

2010-09-28 Per discussione maning sambale
This is partly my fault, I carelessly moved the node to the nearest center of the populated area (as indicated by the density of roads). Only to find out that the area is actually Cabanatuan and not Santa Rosa. AFAIK, no Cabanatuan GNS was imported. Corrected the problem now:

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] OS Opendata amp; the new license

2010-09-28 Per discussione Robert Whittaker (OSM)
Francis Davey fjm...@gmail.com wrote: My suggestion - which I believe has been/is being chewed over by the LWG - is that the CT's make an alternative arrangement for contributors who want to contribute material that is licensed under some other licence. The way in which clause 2 works gives

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] OS Opendata amp; the new license

2010-09-28 Per discussione Rob Myers
On 09/28/2010 12:03 PM, Frederik Ramm wrote: I firmly believe that collecting third-party geodata into an user editable pool is NOT the main purpose of OSM, and even detracts us. And the ODbL allows produced works that include BY-SA/BY data. OSM could use this fact itself to keep producing

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] OS Opendata amp; the new license

2010-09-28 Per discussione Francis Davey
On 28 September 2010 12:03, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Any future license change would then be constrained to the common denominator of all these licenses *or* risk repeating all the data loss whining that we're seeing now. Yes. That's almost right. Either you permit datasets

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] OS Opendata amp; the new license

2010-09-28 Per discussione Robert Whittaker (OSM)
Francis Davey fjm...@gmail.com wrote: My specific point was that *if* you want the CT's to be permissive about importation, then it is fairer on contributors and clearer to provide an express list of compatible licenses - to avoid contributors having to make the judgment themselves. I think

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] OS Opendata amp; the new license

2010-09-28 Per discussione John Smith
On 28 September 2010 21:03, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: The question I am asking myself is: Is the ability to import as much government data as possible really worth the hassle? And my personal answer is a clear no; because to me, the value of imported data is very small, almost

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] OS Opendata amp; the new license

2010-09-28 Per discussione M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/9/28 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com: On 28 September 2010 21:03, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: The question I am asking myself is: Is the ability to import as much government data as possible really worth the hassle? And my personal answer is a clear no; because to me,

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] OS Opendata amp; the new license

2010-09-28 Per discussione John Smith
On 29 September 2010 02:14, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: Most of the mappers I know are not fond of imports. You can mostly just import data that is already available elsewhere. Data that gets imported without a vivid community is doomed to get old and useless. Ok, lets

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] OS Opendata amp; the new license

2010-09-28 Per discussione kevin
Mine is a UK-centric view, but the import (provided that by import you include the incorporation of information) from other sources, not purely the mechanical transfer of data) of other data (I.e. OS) is hugely improving the quality of the mapping available. The map is progressing much faster

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] OS Opendata amp; the new license

2010-09-28 Per discussione John Smith
On 29 September 2010 02:28, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: OK, lets not confuse issues here, one is to perform the import, the other is maintenance and updates of the data. How is maintenance of imported data any different than maintenance of non-imported data?

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] OS Opendata amp; the new license

2010-09-28 Per discussione John Smith
On 29 September 2010 02:45, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: thing is if you have non-imported data, there is usually someone who is caring for it. If you do imports, there might be someone but mostly How many people that mapped Haiti still care for that data 6 months later?

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] OS Opendata amp; the new license

2010-09-28 Per discussione Chris Hill
ke...@cordina.org.uk wrote: OK, so transferring data isn't as academically pleasing as gaining a GPS trace and basing a map on that, but I don't see how a road in OSM from OS data is worse than no road being present. Gathering data for OSM on the ground is so much more than just the track

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] OS Opendata amp; the new license

2010-09-28 Per discussione Rob Myers
On 09/28/2010 05:35 PM, John Smith wrote: On 29 September 2010 02:28, M∡rtin Koppenhoeferdieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: OK, lets not confuse issues here, one is to perform the import, the other is maintenance and updates of the data. How is maintenance of imported data any different than

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] OS Opendata amp; the new license

2010-09-28 Per discussione Kevin Cordina
I see the point, but am not convinced. I think categorising the OS data as 'crap' is a huge exaggeration. Yes, there are errors, but in the general scheme of things are minor. This is also where the source tags come in handy. A user who is experienced enough to want to add the extra detail

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] OS Opendata amp; the new license

2010-09-28 Per discussione Niklas Cholmkvist
Hi, John Smith wrote: I really wish someone would have the backbone to fess up and say OSM will now go in this direction, or OSM is going in that direction, I find that the above quoted text states that it would be better if someone takes a decision for us, so we don't lose time discussing. Did

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] OS Opendata amp; the new license

2010-09-28 Per discussione Dave F.
On 28/09/2010 17:28, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: OK, lets not confuse issues here, one is to perform the import, the other is maintenance and updates of the data. The import can be split in two sections: a) direct import of data (ie shapefiles etc) b) tracing background underlay images (ie OS

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] OS Opendata amp; the new license

2010-09-28 Per discussione John Smith
On 29 September 2010 04:52, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: The latter is most definitely 'cared' for 'maintained'. I certainly don't want to loose the ability to do b) nor loose existing data I've added that way. neither do I Ok, I see my problem before, it was with the

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] OS Opendata the new license

2010-09-28 Per discussione kevin
Which would be true if I had the technical ability to render the data. I don't. However, some kind soul has written a renderer for OSM data that does it for me. The other advantage is that as I develop an area to include footpaths they also appear. Thank you for categorising my many hours

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] OS Opendata amp; the new license

2010-09-28 Per discussione Rob Myers
On 09/28/2010 07:38 PM, John Smith wrote: That's based on the premise that the person that added the data is still actively involved, and for at least 50% of the contributors this statement won't be true. At least 50% you say? After just 6 years? That's very interesting. /james-randi -

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] OS Opendata amp; the new license

2010-09-28 Per discussione Dave F.
On 28/09/2010 19:32, Frederik Ramm wrote: When you joined OSM, was OS Streetview tracing already available then? Becasue you make it sound as if OSM without OS Streetview wasn't worth your time No I have not you know that. Most of my posts have been questions which I notice you've been

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] OS Opendata the new license

2010-09-28 Per discussione Richard Weait
On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 3:19 PM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: We must really endeavour to better enable people to draw in non-OSM data at the rendering stage so that they don't feel tempted to drop their rubbish into OSM just so that they get a nice map rendered. Bravo.

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] OS Opendata amp; the new license

2010-09-28 Per discussione Frederik Ramm
Hi, Dave F. wrote: When you joined OSM, was OS Streetview tracing already available then? Becasue you make it sound as if OSM without OS Streetview wasn't worth your time No I have not you know that. Most of my posts have been questions which I notice you've been unable to answer. The

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] OS Opendata the new license

2010-09-28 Per discussione Kevin Cordina
Please do not misrepresent what I have said and suggest I have said something I haven't. I absolutely intend to maintain the data I enter. The OS data provides me (and OSM in general) a starting point, from which I can build a more complete data set. Perhaps one day I'll build something that

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] OS Opendata amp; the new license

2010-09-28 Per discussione Kevin Cordina
The OS are going to have to dictate the licence because their data is now in OSM and unless you remove it totally, the new licence will have to be compatible with the terms it was added under. - Original Message - From: legal-talk-boun...@openstreetmap.org

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] OS Opendata the new license

2010-09-28 Per discussione Dave F.
It's your comments like mindless rubbish that are putting people off contributing. ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] OS Opendata amp; the new license

2010-09-28 Per discussione SteveC
On Sep 28, 2010, at 1:47 PM, Dave F. wrote: On 28/09/2010 20:27, Frederik Ramm wrote: Hi, Dave F. wrote: When you joined OSM, was OS Streetview tracing already available then? Becasue you make it sound as if OSM without OS Streetview wasn't worth your time No I have not you know

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] OS Opendata amp; the new license

2010-09-28 Per discussione Rob Myers
On 09/28/2010 08:47 PM, Dave F. wrote: They went to the OS demanded they release their data.When they did, OSMF almost immediately turn back to them say oh we don't want it now.That's what I'm finding hard to conceive. A number of projects asked the OS to free their data (including OSM, OKF

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] OS Opendata amp; the new license

2010-09-28 Per discussione Dave F.
On 28/09/2010 21:28, SteveC wrote: Meanwhile, back in Reality... The OSMF made no such demands, didn't turn it's back, and in fact has a healthy and friendly relationship with many people at the OS. In fact, I even helped the OS with the first version of OpenSpace. You paranoid guys really

[OSM-talk] Adding the full name of a business

2010-09-28 Per discussione Niklas Cholmkvist
Hi, I was walking through the city of Thessaloniki today and was looking out for businesses that don't have a cover name like McDonald's or Starbucks but for small businesses like an office of a translator where outside of it(the office) you can see the full name of a person. I also went close

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] OS Opendata amp; the new license

2010-09-28 Per discussione Frederik Ramm
Hi, Dave F. wrote: The import can be split in two sections: a) direct import of data (ie shapefiles etc) b) tracing background underlay images (ie OS Streetview) The latter is most definitely 'cared' for 'maintained'. I certainly don't want to loose the ability to do b) nor loose existing

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] OS Opendata amp; the new license

2010-09-28 Per discussione John Smith
On 29 September 2010 02:57, Rob Myers r...@robmyers.org wrote: How is maintenance of imported data any different than maintenance of non-imported data? The feeling of ownership and investment and the number of people involved. That's based on the premise that the person that added the data is

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] OS Opendata amp; the new license

2010-09-28 Per discussione John Smith
On 29 September 2010 03:56, Chris Hill o...@raggedred.net wrote: So you think that only experienced OSmers add shops, churches, schools, footpaths, cycletracks ... ? So you think the non-experienced OSMers that added 1 or 2 POIs actually care what they entered 6 or 12 months from now? or that

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] OS Opendata amp; the new license

2010-09-28 Per discussione John Smith
On 29 September 2010 03:35, Niklas Cholmkvist towards...@gmail.com wrote: John Smith wrote: I really wish someone would have the backbone to fess up and say OSM will now go in this direction, or OSM is going in that direction, I find that the above quoted text states that it would be better

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] OS Opendata the new license

2010-09-28 Per discussione Richard Fairhurst
Kevin Cordina wrote: As to the usefulness - a map compiled from purely the OS streetview data would serve one of my purposes for OSM data (rendering nameless maps of streets and natural features) 100% perfectly, so it is not a fair assumption that more data = more value. If you want a

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] OS Opendata the new license

2010-09-28 Per discussione Richard Fairhurst
Kevin Cordina wrote: As to the usefulness - a map compiled from purely the OS streetview data would serve one of my purposes for OSM data (rendering nameless maps of streets and natural features) 100% perfectly, so it is not a fair assumption that more data = more value. If you want a

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] OS Opendata amp; the new license

2010-09-28 Per discussione M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/9/28 Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com:  On 28/09/2010 17:28, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: OK, lets not confuse issues here, one is to perform the import, the other is maintenance and updates of the data. The import can be split in two sections: a) direct import of data (ie shapefiles etc)

Re: [OSM-talk] Adding the full name of a business

2010-09-28 Per discussione Richard Weait
On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 2:31 PM, Niklas Cholmkvist towards...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, [ ... ] I'm afraid that privacy laws will be breached if I put in the name tag like this: name=John Johnson - Dentist or name=Jeff Jefferson - Otolaryngologist. I once did that, and my friend was so alarmed

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] OS Opendata amp; the new license

2010-09-28 Per discussione Dave F.
On 28/09/2010 20:27, Frederik Ramm wrote: Hi, Dave F. wrote: When you joined OSM, was OS Streetview tracing already available then? Becasue you make it sound as if OSM without OS Streetview wasn't worth your time No I have not you know that. Most of my posts have been questions which I

Re: [OSM-talk] Adding the full name of a business

2010-09-28 Per discussione Niklas Cholmkvist
Hi list, On Tue, 2010-09-28 at 15:22 -0400, Richard Weait wrote: On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 2:31 PM, Niklas Cholmkvist towards...@gmail.com wrote: SNIP How do you handle this issue when adding doctors or businesses that have their full name (first and last name) included? I use the large

Re: [OSM-talk] Adding the full name of a business

2010-09-28 Per discussione Julio Costa Zambelli
I am not sure if I am right with this (I erased the first messages of this thread), but I guess we may be talking about something like this: http://www.flickr.com/photos/cleong/1271860724/ Cheers On 28 September 2010 16:41, Niklas Cholmkvist towards...@gmail.com wrote: Hi list, On Tue,

Re: [OSM-talk] Adding the full name of a business

2010-09-28 Per discussione Tim McNamara
On 29 September 2010 07:31, Niklas Cholmkvist towards...@gmail.com wrote: I'm afraid that privacy laws will be breached if I put in the name tag like this: name=John Johnson - Dentist or name=Jeff Jefferson - Otolaryngologist. I once did that, and my friend was so alarmed when she saw my

[OSM-talk] From the register

2010-09-28 Per discussione Elizabeth Dodd
http://www.reghardware.com/2010/09/28/bike_hub_cycle_app/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] OS Opendata amp; the new license

2010-09-28 Per discussione John Smith
On 29 September 2010 06:36, Rob Myers r...@robmyers.org wrote: Given that OSM is going to be relicencing, if the OS's licence isn't CT-compatible then the options are for the OS to relicence their data or for that data to be excluded from OSM's database. If the OS ODL isn't CT compatible, and

Re: [OSM-talk] From the register

2010-09-28 Per discussione john whelan
Just a comment from a security point of view a message with just a link in it is often a link to Malware. The links have two parts a visible part and a nonvisible bit that takes you to a web site. If one looks doubtful the recommendation is to copy the visible link and paste it in the browser

Re: [OSM-talk] From the register

2010-09-28 Per discussione Joseph Reeves
The app has made it to /. too: http://apple.slashdot.org/story/10/09/28/235223/Almost-Satnav-For-Cycling We just need some comments now on the ease of contributing data to this fine project :-) On 28 September 2010 22:50, Elizabeth Dodd ed...@billiau.net wrote:

[OSM-talk] Map Feature Samples

2010-09-28 Per discussione Sam Vekemans
Hi all, I'm creating a list of all of the existing map features, and looking for a nice example (node/way/area/relation) of every feature. I could pick one myself, but i figured i'd ask for help. I have a googledocs spreadsheet just about ready for it to be remotly added. A good exable of

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] RFC - Roundabout Priority t.b.v. verkeerspleinen

2010-09-28 Per discussione Colin Smale
On 28/09/2010 01:07, Ben Laenen wrote: Dit lijkt me vrij nutteloos als tag. Het zit in de definitie van rotonde dat wie op de rotonde rijdt voorrang heeft, en iets is een rotonde als het rond blauw bord met pijlen er staat. En in OSM zegt de tag junction=roundabout dat het een rotonde is. Een

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] RFC - Roundabout Priority t.b.v. verkeerspleinen

2010-09-28 Per discussione Maarten Deen
On Tue, 28 Sep 2010 08:14:35 +0200, Colin Smale colin.sm...@xs4all.nl wrote: On 28/09/2010 01:07, Ben Laenen wrote: Dit lijkt me vrij nutteloos als tag. Het zit in de definitie van rotonde dat wie op de rotonde rijdt voorrang heeft, en iets is een rotonde als het rond blauw bord met pijlen er

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] RFC - Roundabout Priority t.b.v. verkeerspleinen

2010-09-28 Per discussione Colin Smale
On 28/09/2010 08:49, Maarten Deen wrote: On Tue, 28 Sep 2010 08:14:35 +0200, Colin Smalecolin.sm...@xs4all.nl wrote: On 28/09/2010 01:07, Ben Laenen wrote: Dit lijkt me vrij nutteloos als tag. Het zit in de definitie van rotonde dat wie op de rotonde rijdt voorrang heeft, en iets is een

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] RFC - Roundabout Priority t.b.v. verkeerspleinen

2010-09-28 Per discussione Andre Engels
2010/9/28 Colin Smale colin.sm...@xs4all.nl: Doe eens een tegenvoorstel voor de tagging van verkeerspleinen zou ik zeggen. Mijn doelen zijn: *    geen tagging-war over junction=roundabout *    eenvoudig in het gebruik (voor mappers en afnemers), ook bij complexe verkeerspleinen *    

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] RFC - Roundabout Priority t.b.v. verkeerspleinen

2010-09-28 Per discussione Colin Smale
On 28/09/2010 09:28, Andre Engels wrote: 2010/9/28 Colin Smalecolin.sm...@xs4all.nl: Doe eens een tegenvoorstel voor de tagging van verkeerspleinen zou ik zeggen. Mijn doelen zijn: *geen tagging-war over junction=roundabout *eenvoudig in het gebruik (voor mappers en afnemers), ook bij

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] RFC - Roundabout Priority t.b.v. verkeerspleinen

2010-09-28 Per discussione Maarten Deen
On Tue, 28 Sep 2010 09:14:55 +0200, Colin Smale colin.sm...@xs4all.nl wrote: On 28/09/2010 08:49, Maarten Deen wrote: Ik zie het nut van deze tag niet. Doe eens een tegenvoorstel voor de tagging van verkeerspleinen zou ik zeggen. Mijn doelen zijn: Ik zou niet weten waarom ik een

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] RFC - Roundabout Priority t.b.v. verkeerspleinen

2010-09-28 Per discussione Maarten Deen
On Tue, 28 Sep 2010 09:39:31 +0200, Colin Smale colin.sm...@xs4all.nl wrote: On 28/09/2010 09:28, Andre Engels wrote: 2010/9/28 Colin Smalecolin.sm...@xs4all.nl: Doe eens een tegenvoorstel voor de tagging van verkeerspleinen zou ik zeggen. Mijn doelen zijn: *geen tagging-war over

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] RFC - Roundabout Priority t.b.v. verkeerspleinen

2010-09-28 Per discussione Colin Smale
De discussie hier en in de tagging-list lijkt neer te komen op de volgende vraag: Is een verkeersplein een subtype van roundabout, of is het een zelfstandig kruispunttype? Iedereen lijkt het erover eens te zijn dat het een zelfstandig kruispunttype hoort te zijn. Mijn uitgangspunt was dat de

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] RFC - Roundabout Priority t.b.v. verkeerspleinen

2010-09-28 Per discussione Ben Laenen
Colin Smale wrote: De discussie hier en in de tagging-list lijkt neer te komen op de volgende vraag: Is een verkeersplein een subtype van roundabout, of is het een zelfstandig kruispunttype? Iedereen lijkt het erover eens te zijn dat het een zelfstandig kruispunttype hoort te zijn. Mijn

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] RFC - Roundabout Priority t.b.v. verkeerspleinen

2010-09-28 Per discussione Maarten Deen
Colin Smale wrote: Misschien is het beter om in plaats van dit voorstel een nieuw voorstel te doen voor een nieuw kruispunttype zoals junction=verkeersplein (maar dan in het engels). In de tagging-list is de term traffic circle genoemd. Zou er meer steun zijn voor junction=traffic_circle in

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] RFC - Roundabout Priority t.b.v. verkeerspleinen

2010-09-28 Per discussione Colin Smale
Colin Smale wrote: Misschien is het beter om in plaats van dit voorstel een nieuw voorstel te doen voor een nieuw kruispunttype zoals junction=verkeersplein (maar dan in het engels). In de tagging-list is de term traffic circle genoemd. Zou er meer steun zijn voor junction=traffic_circle

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] RFC - Roundabout Priority t.b.v. verkeerspleinen

2010-09-28 Per discussione Maarten Deen
On 28-9-2010 18:50, Colin Smale wrote: Colin Smale wrote: Misschien is het beter om in plaats van dit voorstel een nieuw voorstel te doen voor een nieuw kruispunttype zoals junction=verkeersplein (maar dan in het engels). In de tagging-list is de term traffic circle genoemd. Zou er meer steun

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] RFC - Roundabout Priority t.b.v. verkeerspleinen

2010-09-28 Per discussione Ben Laenen
Maarten Deen wrote: Vind ik wel. Je hebt zelf al aangegeven dat er in de Nederlandse wetgeving geen verschil bestaat tussen een verkeersplein en een rotonde. Waar heb je dat vandaan? Ben ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] RFC - Roundabout Priority t.b.v. verkeerspleinen

2010-09-28 Per discussione robert
Laat ik ook een voorzichtig schepje in de discussie doen. Bewering A) OSM wil in haar database de werkelijkheid weergeven. Bewering B) Een junction=roundabout geeft aan dat het verkeer op de rotonde (rondpunt) voorrang heeft en dat het opkomende verkeer voorrang moet verlenen. Ondanks alle

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] RFC - Roundabout Priority t.b.v. verkeerspleinen

2010-09-28 Per discussione Ben Laenen
Maarten Deen wrote: Mijn vraag is dus: waarom wil je een verschil aanbrengen tussen rotonde en verkeersplein, als dat verschil op de grond niet te zien is. Want ook verkeerspleinen die in Wikipedia genoemd worden (Joure, Velperbroek) worden met een bord voor een rotonde aangeduid en zijn

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] RFC - Roundabout Priority t.b.v. verkeerspleinen

2010-09-28 Per discussione Maarten Deen
Ben Laenen wrote: Maarten Deen wrote: Vind ik wel. Je hebt zelf al aangegeven dat er in de Nederlandse wetgeving geen verschil bestaat tussen een verkeersplein en een rotonde. Waar heb je dat vandaan? Wat, van dat Colin dat heeft aangegeven of van de wetgeving? Van Colin, uit zijn mail op

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] RFC - Roundabout Priority t.b.v. verkeerspleinen

2010-09-28 Per discussione Maarten Deen
Ben Laenen wrote: Maarten Deen wrote: Mijn vraag is dus: waarom wil je een verschil aanbrengen tussen rotonde en verkeersplein, als dat verschil op de grond niet te zien is. Want ook verkeerspleinen die in Wikipedia genoemd worden (Joure, Velperbroek) worden met een bord voor een rotonde

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] RFC - Roundabout Priority t.b.v. verkeerspleinen

2010-09-28 Per discussione ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen
Over die twee rotondes/verkeer(d)spleinen in Nijmegen Is dat omdat Nijmegen een links bolwerk is dat op deze pleinen rechts voorrang heeft, of zijn ze gewoon links tegendraads, of moet het de uitzondering vormen die de regel bevestigt ?? Iemand een idee waarom op die pleinen nog ouderwetse

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] RFC - Roundabout Priority t.b.v. verkeerspleinen

2010-09-28 Per discussione Maarten Deen
rob...@elsenaar.info wrote: Laat ik ook een voorzichtig schepje in de discussie doen. Bewering A) OSM wil in haar database de werkelijkheid weergeven. Bewering B) Een junction=roundabout geeft aan dat het verkeer op de rotonde (rondpunt) voorrang heeft en dat het opkomende verkeer voorrang

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] RFC - Roundabout Priority t.b.v. verkeerspleinen

2010-09-28 Per discussione Maarten Deen
ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen wrote: Over die twee rotondes/verkeer(d)spleinen in Nijmegen Is dat omdat Nijmegen een links bolwerk is dat op deze pleinen rechts voorrang heeft, of zijn ze gewoon links tegendraads, of moet het de uitzondering vormen die de regel bevestigt ?? Oh,

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] RFC - Roundabout Priority t.b.v. verkeerspleinen

2010-09-28 Per discussione Cartinus
On Tuesday 28 September 2010 22:03:57 Maarten Deen wrote: En dan vraag ik me weer af waarom je dan niet alle voorrangswegen en niet-voorrangswegen als zodanig wil taggen. Waarom bij rotondes wel de voorrangssituatie aangeven maar bij gewone wegen niet? Kijk eens naar highway=stop en

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] RFC - Roundabout Priority t.b.v. verkeerspleinen

2010-09-28 Per discussione Ben Laenen
2010/9/28 Maarten Deen md...@xs4all.nl: Ben Laenen wrote: Oké, volgens mij zitten we met verschillende definities van verkeersplein, waardoor ik soms kop noch staart krijg aan deze discussie. Dus misschien een rondje om te weten wie wat bedoelt? Even voor mijn (en misschien andermans)

[talk-au] N.S.W Bridge Numbers

2010-09-28 Per discussione Nick Hocking
Most of the bridges on the Princes Highway and the Kings Highway between Narooma and Queanbeyan have blue stakes at both ends, which have a four digit white number on them. I think that these are bridge numbers. Certainly four digits is (I think) the ideal number of digits for a number that

Re: [talk-au] N.S.W Bridge Numbers

2010-09-28 Per discussione Elizabeth Dodd
On Wed, 29 Sep 2010 07:01:26 +1000 Nick Hocking nick.hock...@gmail.com wrote: Ok - so after all this, I have a question. Can any N.S.W OSMers let me know if thay see any bridge number-plates or number-stakes either on or near the ends of bridges in N.S.W? 10 days ago I did a complete walk

[talk-au] N.S.W Bridge Numbers

2010-09-28 Per discussione Nick Hocking
190 200 sign, consistent with ?distance marker signs seen elsewhere at side of road Near some bridges on the Princes Highway I've also seen orange stakes with what appear to be distance markers (from a common datum point). Also on the Kings Highway there are yellow stakes that are distance

Re: [Talk-br] A BR-101 sumiu

2010-09-28 Per discussione Flavio Bello Fialho
Tudo bem. Consegui restaurar a mão, seguindo os passos em: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Undoing_Deletions#Recover_deleted_Relations Agora está funcionando: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/53556 Em 27-09-2010 14:30, Samuel Vale escreveu: On Seg, 2010-09-27 at 14:03 -0300,

Re: [Talk-br] A BR-101 sumiu

2010-09-28 Per discussione Claudomiro Nascimento Junior
É bem grandinha :-) é a maior (mais longa) do Brasil? 2010/9/28 Flavio Bello Fialho be...@cnpuv.embrapa.br Tudo bem. Consegui restaurar a mão, seguindo os passos em: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Undoing_Deletions#Recover_deleted_Relations Agora está funcionando:

Re: [Talk-de] Relationen aus osm-Dateien extrahieren

2010-09-28 Per discussione Andre Joost
Carsten Gerlach schrieb: Daher kommt die Frage, wie ich die 240 Relationen aus der Gesamt.osm rausfische und in einzelne Dateien schreibe. Da das wohl offenbar noch niemand für nötig hielt: selber programmieren ;-) Ich hätte sowas auch ganz gerne für meine Wanderwegsrelationen. Leider bin

Re: [Talk-de] Anonymisierungs-Tool für gpx-Dateien ges ucht

2010-09-28 Per discussione Wolfgang
Hallo, Am Dienstag 28 September 2010 04:02:22 schrieb Johann H. Addicks: Am 27.09.2010 16:29, schrieb Sebastian Klein: Wenn man die Anfangszeit des Tracks auf den GPS Urknall (1980-01-06.0) verschiebt, sollte klar sein, was gemeint ist. Dann hast Du immernoch in den Tracks -

Re: [Talk-de] Fwd: AIO Europa Höhenlinien

2010-09-28 Per discussione UMAX974
Hm, dann wäre ja die Frage, ob und wie man diese anderen Daten in die AIO integrieren könnte. Ich könnte mir vorstellen, dass in den Fjäll-Landschaften und an den Fjorden Norwegens jeder mit Navi dankbar ist, wenn er bei den wenigen bisher gemappten Wegen wenigstens die Höhenlinien zu Gesicht

Re: [Talk-de] Polizei nutzt OSM für Fahndungsplakat

2010-09-28 Per discussione Jörk
moin, Am 27.09.2010 22:10, schrieb AssetBurned: moin die frage ist doch eher: warum benutzt die polizei da ne OSM karte? das sit doch ne staatliche einrichtung die müssten doch direkt auf die karten vom katasteramt oder wen auch immer zugreifen können?! cu assetburned On 20.09.2010, at

Re: [Talk-de] Geofabrik-Downloads jetzt als Binaerformat

2010-09-28 Per discussione Fred Jelk
Ich selber brauche diese Daten zwar (noch) nicht, aber trotzdem zur Info: seit 25.09.2010 gab es kein update mehr der pbf-Dateien. Gruss Fred Am 22.09.2010 22:19, schrieb Frederik Ramm: Hallo, ich weiss, dass es ein paar Leute gibt, die jeden Tag gar nicht schnell genug die neuen

Re: [Talk-de] Relationen aus osm-Dateien extrahieren

2010-09-28 Per discussione Steffen Wolf
Andre Joost schrieb: Carsten Gerlach schrieb: Daher kommt die Frage, wie ich die 240 Relationen aus der Gesamt.osm rausfische und in einzelne Dateien schreibe. Da das wohl offenbar noch niemand für nötig hielt: selber programmieren ;-) Ich hätte sowas auch ganz gerne für meine

Re: [Talk-de] Anonymisierungs-Tool für gpx-Dateien ges ucht

2010-09-28 Per discussione M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
Am 28. September 2010 09:14 schrieb Wolfgang wolfg...@ivkasogis.de: Aufzeichnungsrate ist nunmal 1s oder ein Vielfaches davon) Bei mir nicht. d.h. Du führst schon im Vorfeld eine Optimierung durch (ggf. auf dem Gerät). Machst Du das anhand der Winkel oder der Entfernungen? Letzteres ist m.E.

Re: [Talk-de] Polizei nutzt OSM für Fahndungsplakat

2010-09-28 Per discussione Garry
Am 27.09.2010 22:10, schrieb AssetBurned: moin die frage ist doch eher: warum benutzt die polizei da ne OSM karte? das sit doch ne staatliche einrichtung die müssten doch direkt auf die karten vom katasteramt oder wen auch immer zugreifen

Re: [Talk-de] Anonymisierungs-Tool für gpx-Dateien ges ucht

2010-09-28 Per discussione Johannes Huesing
Wolfgang wolfg...@ivkasogis.de [Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 09:14:39AM CEST]: Hallo, Am Dienstag 28 September 2010 04:02:22 schrieb Johann H. Addicks: [...] p.s.: Nein, solche Tracks will bei OSM niemand haben, weil sie ja nur das Mappen von bislang schlecht getrackten Gegenden erlauben würden,

Re: [Talk-de] Polizei nutzt OSM für Fahndungsplakat

2010-09-28 Per discussione Bernd Wurst
Am Montag 27 September 2010, 22:10:40 schrieb AssetBurned: das sit doch ne staatliche einrichtung die müssten doch direkt auf die karten vom katasteramt oder wen auch immer zugreifen können?! Hast du deren Qualität schonmal angeschaut? Da würde ich OSM bei weitem vorziehen. Gruß, Bernd --

[Talk-de] db cluster - erfahrungen?

2010-09-28 Per discussione Walter Nordmann
moin moin, da vor einiger zeit mein hstore geplatzt war und ich sowieso nicht damir zufrieden war, dass osm2pgsql vieles rausfiltert, was für mich wichtig war, hab ich meine db auf die osmosis/simple rel 37 umgestellt. ist zwar beta, aber SOO wichtig ist das für mich nicht. ich hab die

Re: [Talk-de] Polizei nutzt OSM für Fahndungsplakat

2010-09-28 Per discussione M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
Am 28. September 2010 12:26 schrieb Bernd Wurst be...@bwurst.org: Am Montag 27 September 2010, 22:10:40 schrieb AssetBurned: das sit doch ne staatliche einrichtung die müssten doch direkt auf die karten vom katasteramt oder wen auch immer zugreifen können?! Hast du deren Qualität schonmal

Re: [Talk-de] Bahnstrecke stillgelegt, abgebaut ist nicht gleich abandoned!!!

2010-09-28 Per discussione Garry
Am 27.09.2010 22:12, schrieb M∡rtin Koppenhoefer: Am 27. September 2010 21:28 schrieb Steffen Heinzeifelhu...@gmx.de: Am 27.09.2010 18:55, schrieb M∡rtin Koppenhoefer: Von erhalten bleiben kann doch beim besten Willen keine Rede sein, wenn die Strecke stillgelegt und die Gleise abgebaut

Re: [Talk-de] Anonymisierungs-Tool für gpx-Dateien ges ucht

2010-09-28 Per discussione Wolfgang
Hallo, Am Dienstag 28 September 2010 12:21:35 schrieb Johannes Huesing: Hm, da hatte ich Ironie hineingelesen. Im Nachhinein betrachtet hast du wohl recht. Mir fehlte einfach der Smiley. Ich hab mich so daran gewöhnt... Gruß, Wolfgang ___

Re: [Talk-de] Bahnstrecke stillgelegt, abgebaut ist nicht gleich abandoned!!!

2010-09-28 Per discussione Falk Zscheile
Am 28. September 2010 12:46 schrieb Garry garr...@gmx.de:  Am 27.09.2010 22:12, schrieb M∡rtin Koppenhoefer: Am 27. September 2010 21:28 schrieb Steffen Heinzeifelhu...@gmx.de:  Am 27.09.2010 18:55, schrieb M∡rtin Koppenhoefer: Von erhalten bleiben kann doch beim besten Willen keine Rede

Re: [Talk-de] Anonymisierungs-Tool für gpx-Dateien ges ucht

2010-09-28 Per discussione Wolfgang
Hallo, Am Dienstag 28 September 2010 11:09:35 schrieb M∡rtin Koppenhoefer: Am 28. September 2010 09:14 schrieb Wolfgang wolfg...@ivkasogis.de: Aufzeichnungsrate ist nunmal 1s oder ein Vielfaches davon) Bei mir nicht. d.h. Du führst schon im Vorfeld eine Optimierung durch (ggf. auf dem

Re: [Talk-de] catastre-fr: gebäude farben und meer a ngaben

2010-09-28 Per discussione Rainer Kluge
Am 27.09.2010 23:36, schrieb fly: 1. Bei Gebäuden gibt es zwei Farben. Leider verstehe ich die Unterschiede nicht. Dunkelgelb entspricht Gebäuden in Massivbauweise, hellgelb Gebäuden in Leichtbauweise. Zu letzteren zählen z.B. Schuppen, kleine Hallen, landwirtschaftliche Nebengebäude. 2. Wie

Re: [Talk-de] Anonymisierungs-Tool für gpx-Dateien ges ucht

2010-09-28 Per discussione Stephan Wolff
Am 27.09.2010 20:11, schrieb M∡rtin Koppenhoefer: Am 27. September 2010 17:48 schrieb Wolfgangwolfg...@ivkasogis.de: So richtig anonym wird es selbst dann nicht. Spätestens wenn du in der OSM-DB die Sache editiert hast, kann man vermuten, dass du zeitnah in der Gegend gewesen sein wirst.

Re: [Talk-de] Relationen aus osm-Dateien extrahieren

2010-09-28 Per discussione Andre Joost
Steffen Wolf schrieb: Du koenntest doch alle Relationen gleichzeitig (in verschiedene Dateien) rausschreiben. Dann brauchst du fuer alle insgesamt 2min, muesstest natuerlich immer noch alles dreimal lesen. Stell ich mir etwas mühselig vor, 200 Dateien zum Schreiben zu öffnen. Leider kann man

Re: [Talk-de] Bahnstrecke stillgelegt, abgebaut ist nicht gleich abandoned!!!

2010-09-28 Per discussione Steffen Heinz
so, ich habe es jetzt so geändert: cycleway = construktion highway = cycleway name = Vennbahntrasse railway = disused evtl muss noch die belgische Radwegbezeichnung dazu Grüße aus der Eifel Steffen ___ Talk-de mailing list

Re: [Talk-de] Bahnstrecke stillgelegt, abgebaut ist nicht gleich abandoned!!!

2010-09-28 Per discussione Peter Wendorff
On 28.09.2010 14:05, Steffen Heinz wrote: so, ich habe es jetzt so geändert: cycleway = construktion Hier aber bitte construction! highway = cycleway name = Vennbahntrasse railway = disused evtl muss noch die belgische Radwegbezeichnung dazu Grüße aus der Eifel Steffen

Re: [Talk-de] Anonymisierungs-Tool für gpx-Dateien ges ucht

2010-09-28 Per discussione M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
Am 28. September 2010 13:18 schrieb Wolfgang wolfg...@ivkasogis.de: Am Dienstag 28 September 2010 11:09:35 schrieb M∡rtin Koppenhoefer: Am 28. September 2010 09:14 schrieb Wolfgang wolfg...@ivkasogis.de: Aufzeichnungsrate ist nunmal 1s oder ein Vielfaches davon) Bei mir nicht. d.h. Du

Re: [Talk-de] Bahnstrecke stillgelegt, abgebaut ist nicht gleich abandoned!!!

2010-09-28 Per discussione M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
Am 28. September 2010 14:05 schrieb Steffen Heinz eifelhu...@gmx.de:  so, ich habe es jetzt so geändert: cycleway = construktion highway = cycleway name = Vennbahntrasse railway = disused evtl muss noch die belgische Radwegbezeichnung dazu üblicherweise taggen wir highway=construction,

Re: [Talk-de] catastre-fr: gebäude farben und meer a ngaben

2010-09-28 Per discussione Michelwald
Ich bin neu hier, mal sehen ob ich helfen zu kann. zu 1) ich erinnere mich, in einem französischen Beitrag gelesen zu haben, dass die Farbunterschiede auf das Vorhandensein von Mauern hinweisen. Die einen gebäude haben Dach und Wäönde, die anderen lediglich ein Dach (z.B. Carports,

Re: [Talk-de] Anonymisierungs-Tool für gpx-Dateien ges ucht

2010-09-28 Per discussione Wolfgang
Hallo, Am Dienstag 28 September 2010 14:58:08 schrieb M∡rtin Koppenhoefer: Am 28. September 2010 13:18 schrieb Wolfgang wolfg...@ivkasogis.de: Bei mir optimiert das Gerät, abhängig von Entfernung und Zeit. Das funktioniert ganz gut so in der feinsten Einstellung. Dadurch, dass die Zeit

Re: [Talk-de] Polizei nutzt OSM für Fahndungsplakat

2010-09-28 Per discussione Bernd Wurst
Am Dienstag 28 September 2010, 12:45:51 schrieb M∡rtin Koppenhoefer: kommt immer drauf an, wofür und wo. In Berlin steht OSM super da, aber für Gebäude und Straßenflächen ist die ALK natürlich um Größenordnungen besser (abgesehen von der besseren Abdeckung ;-) ). Es ging hier um einen sehr

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