It is a major problem, hopefully some one will run a bot and at least take
out the duplicate imports. Many mappers only think in terms of paper so if
it looks OK on a render then its OK.
In Ottawa which is smaller and easier to handle we had a meeting of local
mappers who some time ago because
It's not just the imports, even mappers adding roads, footpaths etc. from
GPS tracks often do not join their work to existing roads and ways. at
least the CANVEC imports do link the road sections together.
Cheerio John
On 6 October 2011 20:04, Adam Dunn dunna...@gmail.com wrote:
I think this
Just a comment, local mappers is difficult to define. Call a meeting six
people turn up and make a decision?
I don't have any answers on this one but inconsistent local decisions makes
life more difficult for people trying to use data from different places.
Routing renders / maps spring to mind.
We have a similar problem in Ottawa with English and French. Politically
French is given equal weight but reality is most maps have English street
names etc.
We also had one or two entries that combined English and French which meant
they were difficult to read and extremely difficult to search.
No, it was put in because we didn't want to have a rerun of all this mess if
something better came along next time.
Steve
Unfortunately it had implications that don't seem to have been thought
through especially for imports which I think are important for Canada where
we seem to have lots of
The issue with using data like this with OSM is when you contribute it under
the new contribution terms you accept that OSM can change the license at a
later date. Practically speaking it makes it impossible to respect any
other license so currently only PD data and things you have explicitly
In Ottawa Canada most are designated multi-use footpaths so you can sky,
cycle etc. However the rules are different for municipal government paths
than federal government paths, and not all paths are signed. I understand
provincial parks and cycle paths have slightly different rules again.
There are many different ways to render cycle and footpaths and a number of
different ways to indicate them as well. You can create your own custom
rendering rules but in view of all the differences floating around I suspect
the defaults work fine for most people.
For example locally we have
In Ottawa we have paved shoulders which show up on the city's cycle maps as
recommended. You can tag them but the normal rendering doesn't really show
them on a cycle map. I set something up using Maperitive
OSM is two things one is a set of technical standards, that's the easy part,
the other is a group of people which is much more difficult. People can
feel frustrated because their concerns are not being addressed an a solution
is being imposed.
Personally my preference is for an accurate map with
It's a very sad day when OSM boasts that it includes data that shouldn't be
there because of licensing.
I inadvertently included some grey material and requested it be deleted from
OSM, that request was ignored.
Doesn't say much about OSM's ethics does it?
Cheerio John
(Mind you, the new
others build
the maps that combine imports with user data.
Cheerio John
On 11 July 2011 09:23, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote:
Hi,
On 07/11/11 15:17, john whelan wrote:
I inadvertently included some grey material and requested it be deleted
from OSM, that request was ignored
such that the
data should not be included in OSM.
Cheerio John
On 11 July 2011 09:23, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote:
Hi,
On 07/11/11 15:17, john whelan wrote:
I inadvertently included some grey material and requested it be deleted
from OSM, that request was ignored.
Are you a different John
Occasionally some one may wish to add a translation or find the street
programmatically. For example using Maperitive and a local copy to search
for the street. Having the full name helps enormously. End users don't
like having to try high street, high St. etc until they find the right
Current thinking is to use a separate account for bulk imports.
Occasionally things go wrong and its easier to roll back under a separate
account. Having said that when the import is merged with existing data in
JOSM then uploaded things become not so black and white.
In general with the new CT
One of the advantages of OSM is you can tag anything with what ever tag you
like. One of the great drawbacks of OSM is you can tag anything with what
ever tag you like.
For Ottawa I used Maperitive and imported a local OSM database. Then I used
the export tags command to export a list of tags in
:31, schrieb john whelan:
For Ottawa we had a problem with paved shoulders, you need them for a good
cycle-map but they don't seem to have them in Europe. We also have multiuse
paths which tagged with all sorts of things.
Nearly all motorways in Europe (that's a bit of a blanket statement
I absolutely agree.
Cheerio John
On 22 June 2011 19:29, David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au wrote:
On Wed, 2011-06-22 at 13:49 -0700, Steve Coast wrote:
Personally I hope as soon as possible. I suspect it will be nice to
give you 'no' guys some time to reconsider, as some already have.
Just a comment using the term Troll appears as if it is intended to provoke
an emotional response.
Surely we should be able to stick to issues and resolve them rather than
descend into emotions?
Cheerio John
On 20 June 2011 11:56, Steve Coast st...@asklater.com wrote:
On 6/18/2011 12:54 PM,
I'm also very interested in this.
Thanks John
On 15 June 2011 06:44, Andy Street m...@andystreet.me.uk wrote:
On Tue, 2011-06-14 at 22:33 +0200, Michael Collinson wrote:
As per the implementation plan [1], we intend to move to phase 4 this
Sunday 19th June or as soon after as is
Exactly my own situation, except following poor advice I accepted the new
CT. Apparently it is not possible to change the CT status and my formal
request to have my suspect data deleted seems to have been ignored.
My recommendation is not to accept the CT, and reenter those items that you
did
Just something for a rainy day if you have a local .OSM file lying around.
Within OSM sometimes things get lost. A bus stop gets tagged amenity=bustop
rather than the recommended way on
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Map_Features. The problem is that this
particular bus stop will remain
I don't think things are black and white, you speak of rejecting the new
license which seems a little strong.
I think there are some issues to deal with and some implications.
If we are talking about making the basic OSM map based on direction
observation, and I think we are, then I think the
I tend to be very conservative, there shouldn't be any problems but some
data I have a verbal OK for CC-by-SA but CC-by-ODBL was not understood.
Cheerio John
On 8 June 2011 11:49, Gordon Dewis gor...@pinetree.org wrote:
No problem... I don't have any qualms about the data vis-a-vis the various
this consent.
--G
On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 6:50 PM, john whelan jwhelan0...@gmail.com wrote:
No at the time the data was added there wasn't a problem. The problem
arose when the new CT retroactively changed the previously inserted data.
Cheerio John
On 6 June 2011 18:30, Gordon Dewis gor
Treat his edits as vandalism and proceed accordingly.
Virtual ban
When a contributor is subject to a 'virtual ban' (see notes above) then all
their past work may be removed and all new work will be reverted without
review until they possibly contact the Data Working Group and request a
review of
that have been manually surveyed back in later.
Thanks
Cheerio John
On 7 June 2011 13:24, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote:
On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 12:24 PM, john whelan jwhelan0...@gmail.com
wrote:
I would be extremely happy to see all my edits removed.
Earlier you said that you were
begun. I have looked at some of the features
deleted and some of them only list him in the history when he deleted them.
-Original Message-
From: Samuel Longiaru longi...@shaw.ca
Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2011 14:34:44
To: talk-ca@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] Ping John Whelan
.
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*From: * john whelan jwhelan0...@gmail.com
*Date: *Tue, 7 Jun 2011 18:32:11 -0400
*To: *gor...@pinetree.org
*Cc: *Samuel Longiarulongi...@shaw.ca; talk-ca@openstreetmap.org
*Subject: *Re: [Talk-ca] Ping John Whelan?
some of them only list him in the history when
Acting on your advice I accepted the new CT. On looking more deeply into
the subject I note that I have retrospectively allowed OSM to license
anything I have ever added to the map in any way they wish. Currently it is
odbl but the CT allows anything, the license seems to be an ever changing
added were added under the
terms he agreed to and retroactively changing his mind and deleting
everything is not an acceptable option. Your unilateral actions have
impacted more than just your data.
That is what John should do.
On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 6:21 PM, john whelan jwhelan0...@gmail.com
We have the same sort of thing in Canada. Ottawa is a particular
problem as the streets have both an English name and a French name.
The way I've set up Ottawa is to use name=Albert Street and
name:frrue Albert. The normal rendering systems show the English
name but I have a set of rules set up
There seems to be considerable interest in flooding recently. The UK
has a government site
http://maps.environment-agency.gov.uk/wiyby/wiybyController?ep=maptopicslang=_e
that shows the risk of flooding for a particular area.
How would you obtain / insert height data into OSM?
Thanks John
I think that has been done with the change to the Contribution Terms and
licensing.
Cheerio John
On 4 May 2011 13:02, Steve Coast st...@asklater.com wrote:
I can't, but that wasn't clear to me. It's also dominant in air traffic
control. It seems a little flimsy as a base reason to break up
Just a comment, I suspect the discussion we are having about the changes to
the logo and license etc are a symptom of something much deeper. I do get
the feeling that there is a disconnect between what is being perceived and
what the intentions are. There seems to be a perception floating in the
else say
don't worry about it.
Thanks John
On 15 April 2011 03:55, Grant Slater openstreet...@firefishy.com wrote:
On 15 April 2011 00:38, john whelan jwhelan0...@gmail.com wrote:
If data is tainted in a way that makes in incompatible with the
currently
used license then it will have
Unfortunately I some of my edits used some sources that looked fine under
the for CC-by-SA terms but on closer inspection of the ODBL terms, which was
done after I blindly followed the advice of another contributor, I am not at
all comfortable that the work would stand up legally for CC-by-ODBL
If data is tainted in a way that makes in incompatible with the currently
used license then it will have to be removed in order not to put the project
at risk (e.g. data copied from proprietary sources). This is independent of
the license change.
I assume that the currently used license means to
I think you need to go more basic and ask what are the requirements?
I don't think its ever been done.
What are we trying to do and who is the target audience? Are we trying to
create a map that can be used by others? Are we a social group that enjoys
mapping?
Why are we doing this?
There
Speaking as someone with a background in science I think I agree with
Elizabeth's interpretation.
I get the impression the study is much more subjective than solid, the
sample size far too small to get any meaningful results other than this
needs more research dollars to further define etc etc.
Boat launch sites locally have the same issue.
Cheerio John
On 11 March 2011 10:34, Diego Woitasen di...@woitasen.com.ar wrote:
Hi,
Mapping the tolls of a highway a found that there is no tag to assign the
cost of the toll. I haven't found examples in taginfo or tagwatch. Are you
using
One technique is simply to use JOSM, select the ways you want to modify then
add the tag to all the ways in the selection. You can also delete tags in
this way as well.
Just be aware that standardization seems to be a word that OSM is not always
comfortable with.
The other technique if you are
Being cynical I'd tend to favour CANVEC they tend to have spent more money
on their GPS units.
Cheerio John
On 6 March 2011 20:44, Samuel Dyck samueld...@gmail.com wrote:
Hey everyone
I am presently preparing a careful import of Canvec data into Mantario
area. I have stumbled across a trail
The intention is to try to understand a bit more about it.
I think I understood what CC-by-SA meant and added information based on that
understanding. Now the rules have changed and I'm not clear about data I
have added in the past, now labelled odbl and if it met the new criteria at
the time I
To put it in context in Ottawa, a city of roughly one million people, we
currently have 120,000 addr:housenumber or addresses, this would give us
an additional three.
I'd much prefer them to add in the footpaths that are in the OSM map of
Ottawa so their walking and public transport routing
There is a fair amount of address information in the CANVEC files.
Cheerio John
On 2 March 2011 15:55, flambe...@gmail.com flambe...@gmail.com wrote:
MapQuest is providing several address files that contain user-provided
latitude and longitude locations across the world. Our users provided
...@stephans-server.de wrote:
On 01.03.2011 00:42, john whelan wrote:
I have a couple of basic VB programs that can take a local .OSM file and
add a name:fr field to street names, it also does a little look up to
translate the street name type. You just take the output and feed it
into JOSM
I have a couple of basic VB programs that can take a local .OSM file and add
a name:fr field to street names, it also does a little look up to translate
the street name type. You just take the output and feed it into JOSM and
upload the changes.
As with all bots and such tools its best to have
Tricky because of the accuracy.
My money would be to add a two fields and put the lat and long coordinates
in there. I'd also use a database rather than Excel such as SQL server
there are better validation tools available.
Then you really need manual verification you have the correct location.
and simply use the ones which have a 1-1 mapping (city, country,
state/province, postal code, phone). Leave the address for someone else.
J.M.
*From:* john whelan [mailto:jwhelan0...@gmail.com]
*Sent:* Monday, February 28, 2011 3:58 PM
*To:* John-Michael Wiley
*Cc:* talk@openstreetmap.org
I think you have to accept that many imports come through JOSM, the
incident that initiated this thread wasn't an import problem as such just an
incorrect selection and hitting the delete key too quickly in JOSM.
Given the turn over of new people collaboration will always be a problem
especially
Maperitive can do this quite nicely, use a local .osm file and the find
commands, these can be scripted to make it easier for end users to search
for things that need multiple tags searched.
Cheerio John
On 29 January 2011 06:53, Mahsa Ghasemi m.ghas...@student.unimelb.edu.auwrote:
I am trying
Maperitive can export a list of tags in comma delimited format, these
include street names so just edit the output.
Cheerio John
On 17 January 2011 21:00, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi all,
Wondered if anyone has ever put effort into producing a street
directory from OSM data.
Probably the best thing to do is wait for commonmap.
Cheerio John
On 31 December 2010 11:50, Olivier Hill olivier.h...@gmail.com wrote:
Hello all,
I would like to remind everyone not to blindly import CanVec tiles on OSM.
I have recently seen tiles uploaded blindly, duplicating nodes and
I raised the issue of Canadian post code support some time ago and some
changes appear to have been made to Nominatim to use a North American site
for Canadian post code and I think for the full US postal services Zip code.
Try a long US zip code and see what happens.
Cheerio John
On 30
In general databases and Virtual machines do not work well together.
Databases tend to want fast disk accesses and the virtual machine bit slows
these down. Also typically virtual machines restrict the memory and
databases use the memory to reduce disk accesses so you get a second hit
there.
On small databases where performance isn't that critical they will work
under virtual machines but larger databases are different.
I was responsible for running large central database servers at Statistics
Canada and we had a server support area who thought Virtual Machines were
the only way to
Just a comment locally someone did a trace and managed to get one end of the
road about 100 meters out and connected at the wrong road junction. Took me
a while to sort it out.
Cheerio John
On 19 December 2010 19:18, j...@jfeldredge.com wrote:
OK, but there will likely be additional details
I'm probably in the same state. I suspect the only honest thing to do is to
request that all my data be removed. It seems a bit extreme but could that
be done? Yes I did agree to the ODBL change but that was taking advice from
some one who I now realise was bias and I didn't go through the
Check the license on this data very carefully their idea of Open currently
doesn't align with OpenStreetMap. They have a working group looking into
the matter currently.
Also have a look at the road system where you are thinking of importing. If
its a mish-mash of GPS, Satellite traced then the
I'm doing it quite nicely with Maperitive. I first wrote a VB program that
runs down an OSM file extracted by JOSM. It populates name:fr where blank
according to a set of rules that only work locally. You load the OSM file
back into JOSM and upload the changes. Then you just tell Maperitive to
I used to create government procurements, big messy ones where sales guys
would hit the prime minister's office to protest and get fired fifteen
minutes after a debriefing when they lost. When dealing with potential
problems from egos I always found it very helpful to build a list of
requirements
An example is locally CANVEC still has a rail line that it was taken out
some time ago.
Cheerio John
On 5 December 2010 03:54, Sam Vekemans acrosscanadatra...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
(sorry if im a broken record)
I know that Daniel and the NRCan-CanVec data team are desparatly
trying to figure
This is a fun one. CANVEC has address ranges for some Canadian provinces.
Locally after I imported the address ranges I found the missing streets
because you just have the two address lines with no road in the middle.
Working with others such as CANVEC does provide a method of cross checking
for
Certainly in Canada we have been having licensing issues with some levels of
government to be able to include their data in OSM. Part of the problem is
the open ended nature of the new license, the bit where OSM says Oh and we
can change the data license to anything we want to in the future. On
Just a comment from one of the 130 who has voted yes on the recommendation
of one of the people I thought was fairly sensible here and I now regret
taking his advice. I now strongly suspect I should have spent six months
wading through through the legal talk side of things rather than mapping
I think that the problems and implications of the change were not well
explained or even understood at the time. I'm not even sure they are today
by many people.
My training in computer system design suggests that listing the requirements
and concerns of the various users might be a useful
I've been a little selective in quoting your message but I think you have
correctly identified the split. Germany and the UK with high mapper density
are probably for the new license and dumping the older data other parts of
the world that don't have the luxury of such a high density of mappers
from the database.
Cheerio John
On 14 November 2010 08:24, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com wrote:
On 13/11/2010 20:01, john whelan wrote:
Have a look around Turkey Street Station in Enfield sometime in North
London where I understand Steve C has done a lot of mapping and you are
literally
Building something that is user friendly is actually quite difficult and
takes a lot more resources and testing than you might think. It really
needs a consistent integrated well planned team approach which isn't quite
what OSM is. We just have a lot of people who do their own thing.
Including
I'd like to be reassured that any effort I put into mapping will be useful,
ie we'll have a useful map at the end, not a blank page with two footpaths
on it. Have a look around Turkey Street Station in Enfield sometime in
North London where I understand Steve C has done a lot of mapping and you
*The decisions have been made, so it's time to accept them or if you
don't, to leave.*
Thank you for your views on the OSM community. In my view it is a community
and the relationship does need nurturing.
Nowhere in my post did I express a view that a change of license is bad.
However changes
Look down your entire message was under my text.
Cheerio John
On 13 November 2010 18:44, Serge Wroclawski emac...@gmail.com wrote:
This is a really unfair thing of you to have done, to take a very long
(1 page) email, quote a single sentence and then repost it to a
group.
- Serge
Can some one check my logic please, and note I am not advocating that
someone should do it only that we should think about the implications before
it happens.
Today OSM is licensed in a way that means in round terms you can basically
do whatever you like with it.
The new system will be licensed
There are other rendering solutions such as Maperitive which give you
control over what is rendered. There are tags such as florist which are in
features wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Map_Features but not rendered by the
default schemes. Even with the web rendering there are things such as
I was under the impression that the City of Vancouver Open data along with
Ottawa's and Calgary's wasn't quite open enough for OSM use. I assume you
aligned with CANVEC data and merely visually confirmed it against
Vancouver's data?
I understand they were looking at changing the license, if you
Perhaps recognise that OSM is changing and developing in ways it's creators
never intended?
I'm currently looking at a project that uses data that is not cc-by-ca by
any means however it can be imported into an OSM file format and use the OSM
tool set to basically create a stand alone DVD that is
Have a look at the CANVEC OSM data available for importing, use JOSM select
then merge. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Canvec
Nominatimhttp://nominatim.openstreetmap.org/will find post codes but
not individual houses. CANVEC has address ranges
in some provinces.
Cheerio John
On 16
Road names are available in Canvec for Ontario at least.
Cheerio John
On 17 October 2010 08:06, Steve Singer ssinger...@sympatico.ca wrote:
On Sat, 16 Oct 2010, Jamie Figursky wrote:
Hello,
I noticed that that the road network for Saskatchewan has gaps (Oxbow area
and others).
Just a comment not all the data is the map database is presented on these
map renders. I've been using Maperitive to selectively select data to be
displayed for a particular purpose and working with the rule set to display
the information in the way I wish it to be displayed. Working with a
If I look at the default map displayed on the web site then select base
layer cycle map I get nice blue lines on roads with cycle lanes, and cycle
paths which is perfect.
However in Ontario we have paved shoulders which are tagged
shoulder:access:bicycle=yes, together with shoulder:surface=paved
Maperitive will zoom to level 19 rather than 18 gives a bit more detail.
You can modify the rule set to control what is displayed. I have seen
someone use JOSM on a laptop working with a stored local file to do this.
This has the advantage that you can just upload the changes directly.
Cheerio
Welcome to the Internet. Unfortunately this is a down side of the
Internet some connections are better than others. It depends on the
capacity and volume of traffic that is running through each of the
same hops as you are using and the addresses in the servers that are
used to route the traffic.
European and you need to scroll down to see them all. It may give
some helpful background to understand comments in OSM talk otherwise
totally irrelevant to Ca-talk.
http://alphadesigner.com/project-mapping-stereotypes.html?ref=nf
Cheerio John
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From:
My view is there are very different requirements in different
countries. Countries such as Australia, US, Canada have much lower
population densities than many European countries. It's just not
practical to rely on people with GPS devices and cycles. Yes there is
tracing from satellite images
Just a comment from a security point of view a message with just a
link in it is often a link to Malware. The links have two parts a
visible part and a nonvisible bit that takes you to a web site.
If one looks doubtful the recommendation is to copy the visible link
and paste it in the browser
I realise there is some differences of opinion on this but I'm looking
for guidance. Locally we seem to have a number of these tagged in
different ways. CANVEC appears to tag some of them as highway=footway
wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Paths seems to have a wide range of
acceptable options,
[http://www.flickr.com/photos/canadagood/3017259090/] or
[http://www.flickr.com/photos/alanstanton/2319965160/]. Good to include
photos of what you're thinking of.
Adam
On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 10:46 AM, john whelan jwhelan0...@gmail.com wrote:
I realise there is some differences of opinion
Your link worked for me 30 seconds ago.
Cheerio John
On 24 September 2010 20:40, James Ewen ve6...@gmail.com wrote:
I've been trying to get to the canvec data for 3 days now using this URL:
ftp://ftp2.cits.rncan.gc.ca/osm/pub
I was pretty sure that you could get into there with a browser
I'm not certain what the point would be if the licensing doesn't line up.
What would be nice would be if some one could take one or two of the
data sets, flip it into OSM format and email it to me. That way I can
merge it with a copy of the cities OSM data on a USB stick and show a
couple of
This is a major concern of mine, which is why I won't even bother
asking for local government data at the moment even though it is being
offered. Some one else can do the asking and explaining about the
flexible licensing we seem to be asking for because I don't want the
responsibility of asking
I think according to
wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Map_Features
it should be leisure=sports_centre
Cheerio John
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The CANVEC data is available her ftp://ftp2.cits.rncan.gc.ca/osm/pub
Read this page first:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/CanVec especially the bit about the tiles.
I would suggest you load up a tile in JOSM then hit the download arrow
to bring in the same area from OSM. I usually resize
What is the licensing on the GTFS data?
Thanks John
On 8 September 2010 10:26, Michał Borsuk michal.bor...@gmail.com wrote:
Hello.
Thanks to Roland Olbricht's Public Transport plugin, I have successfully
merged existing bus stops with my GTFS data. There was a part of the work
that required
I understand its based on OpenStreetMap but does any one know any much
about it? Is it implemented in any Canadian cities? Do I assume that
roads would have to actually be joined for this or any routing program
to work?
Thanks John
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It will happen and so far it looks like we might have half a dozen
people, but I don't have a time or place yet. If you can make it
email me and I'll let you know more details as soon as I get them, if
you have a suggestion for time and place email me as well.
Thanks John
Since most renders only display the name to make it useful to the
casual map user I'd suggest
A name or B name in the name field. There is a similar problem
with the GTFS stop_code.
Cheerio John
On 31 August 2010 14:17, Magnus Bäck ba...@swipnet.se wrote:
In the Skånetrafiken public transport
Details here, I don't think its the hand held variety but better to
check and be safe.
Cut and paste this link into your browser rather than click on it to
reduce the risk of landing somewhere nasty.
http://www.tomsguide.com/us/fire-burn-hazard-warning-nuvi,news-7867.html
Thanks John
The note came from me, the problem is two fold, the first is every
section of a road junction gets addressing information so a slip road
that is 20 meters long perhaps gets addressing information when it has
no buildings and the addressing information contains either 0 or -1
this basically adds
The CANVEC tiles contain the full street name. Ottawa has a number of
streets that were imported from Geobase that did not include a street
name, contained abbreviation or only part of the name.
This maybe because of the way the import was done but the CANVEC data
seemed cleaner in this regard.
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