Yes but a problem with Flash is it is a major security hole. It's probably
the major source of Malware in Windows at the moment so we should probably
promote other alternative methods.
Cheerio John
On 14 May 2010 13:08, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote:
Occasionally the subject of
these days is the most common way to get
infected, once infected then you lose your credit card details, and Flash is
a very weak link no matter which web browser it is run from.
Cheerio John
On 14 May 2010 18:51, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote:
john whelan wrote:
Yes
It might be worth looking at Maperitive, its new, in beta but does some very
nice things like export bit map and a SVG export command is planned.
The really nice thing is though that since it can work with either a local
file (save an OSM file from JOSM) or on the web linked to the OSM database
On the map on the OSM web site click on the + tag to the right then select
data. Now select the point of interest and it will show you the tag data.
If the hours of opening are present or it has a web site it will show them.
Cheerio John
On 17 May 2010 17:00, John F. Eldredge
Have a look at Maperitive. Because the processing is done on the local
machine it gives you much more control. I've been playing with .bat files,
you can run them from a desktop icon, to select some POIs and display them
but not others. Being in Canada I also use the technique to switch the
vendor if it's insecure.
On 15/05/10 00:10, john whelan wrote:
www.zdnet.com/blog/bott/how-secure-is-flash-heres-what-adobe-wont-tell-you/2152
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/bott/how-secure-is-flash-heres-what-adobe-wont-tell-you/2152
There are other web sites such as Symantec's site
Is it worth doing a small article on OSM for them? It might be worth
pointing out that businesses can be tagged with websites etc. and the tags
can be read on line.
Cheerio John
On 31 May 2010 11:13, Kate Chapman k...@maploser.com wrote:
Hey All,
Yesterday Richard Weait and I got an email
example of using non-geographic tags (business name, contact
details, opening hours etc)
would be to point out openstreetbrowser ;-)
On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 1:45 AM, john whelan jwhelan0...@gmail.com wrote:
Is it worth doing a small article on OSM for them? It might be worth
pointing out
You actually get a lot of control but it isn't user friendly out of the
box. I've done a write up here on how to run it from a .bat file and you
can edit the rules off line with this method.
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Maperitive#How_to
Cheerio John
On 6 June 2010 10:44, Gervase Markham
This would probably be easier if OpenStreetMap got organised and got
charitable status in a few countries.
Cheerio John
On 15 June 2010 15:39, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote:
On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 1:03 PM, David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au
wrote:
Soon to be overloaded again, due
:19, john whelan jwhelan0...@gmail.com wrote:
This would probably be easier if OpenStreetMap got organised and got
charitable status in a few countries.
Cheerio John
On 15 June 2010 15:39, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote:
On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 1:03 PM, David Murn da
There is a find command in Maperitive so you can work directly with the .osm
data and tags and aren't restricted to the indexing.
Cheerio John
On 16 June 2010 08:17, Bernhard R. Fischer b...@abenteuerland.at wrote:
On Wednesday 16 June 2010 10:38:55 M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote:
2010/6/16
I'm also interested in this as Ottawa has recommended cycling routes mainly
between cycle lanes and cycle paths how should they be tagged?
Thanks John
On 19 June 2010 13:51, Toby Murray toby.mur...@gmail.com wrote:
Someone in my area is starting up a new website that is focused on
cycling in
An alternative is to use Maperitive and render on the local PC. Its just a
matter of using the right rules for rendering but you do need an .OSM file
from the web unless you have a local copy.
Cheerio John
On 24 June 2010 12:53, Andy Allan gravityst...@gmail.com wrote:
Yeah. Also, as Toby
Since a fair number of home computers pcs these days have quad cores, 6 or
more gigs of memory and 64 bit operating systems, perhaps it might make
sense to come up with a Windows stand alone solution and decentralise the
server computing requirements.
Cheerio John
On 2 July 2010 10:43, Tom
I was only thinking of using the local computer resources for the local
user, not going cloud.
Cheerio John
On 3 July 2010 12:03, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote:
On 4 July 2010 01:46, john whelan jwhelan0...@gmail.com wrote:
Since a fair number of home computers pcs these days
on the servers.
Cheerio John
On 3 July 2010 12:11, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote:
On 4 July 2010 02:07, john whelan jwhelan0...@gmail.com wrote:
I was only thinking of using the local computer resources for the local
user, not going cloud.
For that specific problem you still have
Rendering or routing?
Cheerio John
There is already plenty of tools for doing offline rendering, the
point of this was to put rendering on the OSM website...
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Generally speaking you could bot an area with the default speed limit then
just tag the higher speed roads.
The bigger problem is how do you stop some teenager from changing the sped
limit on the map.
www.carsguide.com.au/site/news-and-reviews/car-news/gps_speed_limiters_in_action
Cheerio John
To clarify you are looking for GPS traces from car or vehicle traffic
ideally in one city. Tried a transit authority for their bus traces? That
would give you plenty of data plus time of day traffic and consistency on
routes and the GPS equipment used for the traces.
I have plenty but I tend to
If you look at the history of the page this change was made on the
morning of 1st of April by someone who doesn't appear to have an
entry. I suspect it might just be sabotage, it does happen
occasionally on wikis.
Cheerio John
On 12 July 2010 16:25, Pieren pier...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi all,
I
I like the idea of listing the points of interest. I've been looking
at Maperitive and the find-home command provided you know the value of
the filed such as name its very easy to locate them. However you don't
need a web site to do this you can run on a local map to the machine.
Cheerio John
You can do this with the current renders, n the web page of the map
click the plus sign and cycleways are an option to display, or
something like Maperitive with a suitable set of rules, I have at
least one that works nicely with Maperitive if the current default
doesn't show it.
The nice thing
Firefox is better than IE for uploading and downloading files
especially larger ones.
Cheerio John
On 30 July 2010 03:11, Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com wrote:
When a GPX trace file is larger than 100 kilobytes or so, the uploader web
page
times out in the browser and the file isn't uploaded.
Currently I'm cleaning up in Ottawa, I have over 8,000 errors to clean
up left and recently I've probably cleaned at least a couple of
thousand errors so far. Things like incorrect street names, where I
have a CANVEC source that helps enormously, connecting streets up so
you can run routing
? I've
seen a couple of roads that aren't in CANVEC so far but the CANVEC
data quality is very good.
Cheerio John
On 31 July 2010 12:46, Tobias Knerr o...@tobias-knerr.de wrote:
john whelan wrote:
Currently I'm cleaning up in Ottawa, I have over 8,000 errors to clean
up left and recently I've
My favourite of the day Fair Oaks Crescent / Beechcliffe Street for
a street name, its actually two streets that have been linked
together, so break them apart and name them correctly.
Cheerio John
On 31 July 2010 12:46, Tobias Knerr o...@tobias-knerr.de wrote:
john whelan wrote:
Currently
Probably if you live in an area with a fairly large number of mappers
on the ground imports have less impact, reality is trying to map
Canada from GPS traces is a bit unrealistic. I tend not to go for
walks at minus thirty, or even minus twenty come to that.
Cheerio John
On 8 August 2010 05:38,
But strangely enough it is a lot more complicated to map remote areas
such a desert than to map a city. Logistics for a start, I can catch
a bus and map my city locally for an hour or two, the city bus just
doesn't run to remote areas and there are a lot of remote areas in
Canada. I have written
I honestly think the way forward is to continue as we are currently
and set up a separate project which is pure PD. Extract anything that
can be extracted from the current map, this can be done by selecting
data which has been contributed by those who are happy with public
domain licensing and
But didn't Steve whatever end up there?
Cheerio John
On 12 December 2011 11:49, Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org wrote:
That looks like an exceedingly useful app. Interesting to see OSM
editing software appear on the Win Phone platform.
Does something similar exist for other platforms? I mean
Fascinating, I was always taught that reliability was the most important
thing to end users.
In Ottawa it looks like many footpaths, steps etc will be the big losers.
The imported road network looks fine.
So it looks like the tools and specialist maps for the disabled, ones that
make use of
What you can do is create an osm file on your local hard drive, in JOSM
download a very small area with nothing in it. New download the area you
have made edits in as a separate download.
Select on username so user:xyz
Merge the selection onto your empty map and save it locally. Then after
the
The intentions don't matter here, its to be able to defend the new
licensing / copyright in court you need to show all the content has come
from people who have accepted the new license.
Its a lawyer thing and I'm not even sure that in the US OSM has a solid
case anyway. Street names are facts
I was looking at the map that showed contributions from those who hadn't
agreed to the new terms. One section I found interesting since I knew I'd
mapped it first from a GPS trace I'd made but looking through the history I
noticed another name before mine who hadn't agreed to the new terms.
I
Thank you, its nice to know these things. Fun stuff.
Cheerio John
On 14 December 2011 11:31, 80n 80n...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 3:54 PM, Nick Whitelegg
nick.whitel...@solent.ac.uk wrote:
Doesn't make any difference to the CTs, but I've noticed but I'm not the
first
So essentially all data that existed on this date will need to be deleted
since we can't be sure who entered or edited it or if they have agreed to
the new license if the .odbl database is to be clean.
Cheerio John
On 14 December 2011 11:31, 80n 80n...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at
Which is the most effective compression type for .OSM files?
I'm running Windows 64 bit. Bzip2 and 7-bit seem comparable but at the
back of my mind I thought there was something a bit more specialised.
Thanks John
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Jochen
On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 09:48:53AM -0500, john whelan wrote:
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 09:48:53 -0500
From: john whelan jwhelan0...@gmail.com
To: OpenStreetMap talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org
Subject: [OSM-talk
I suspect Oracle isn't very good at installing Java under windows. When I
attempt to run Osmosis I get Java as an unknown. Looking at Osmosis I get
the impression that I can feed it a parameter to tell it where Java is
located but I haven't been able to spot the appropriate bit of
documentation.
wrote:
On 12/20/2011 09:35 PM, john whelan wrote:
I suspect Oracle isn't very good at installing Java under windows. When
I attempt to run Osmosis I get Java as an unknown. Looking at Osmosis I
get the impression that I can feed it a parameter to tell it where Java
is located but I haven't
Since JOSM can now read PBF files could JOSM request the area of the map to
be downloaded to be in PBF format?
It would lower the bandwidth requirements.
I think it could still return any edits or additions in OSM format but I
think more bandwidth is consumed downloading than adding a couple of
on the number of nodes and it basically
becomes a cost matter where you draw the line.
The nice thing about throwing out ideas is you don't have to make them work.
Cheerio John
On 21 December 2011 17:52, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote:
Hi,
On 12/21/2011 07:09 PM, john whelan wrote:
I
A couple of comments but basically I agree with what is being said.
Imports are difficult to handle, especially for example where a road is
imported then a local mapper tags a cycle lane on the imported road. Very
difficult to keep the data separate. Might it be possible to come up with
Thanks for the input.
example from wiki: osmconvert germany.o5m -b=10.5,49,11.5,50
--complete-ways -o=nuernberg.o5m
Using a much smaller input file that can be loaded in JOSM and
includes the desired area.
osmconvert ottawa22.osm -v -b=-75.70,45.19,-75.73,45.23 ott.osm
gives:
?xml
John
On 26 December 2011 18:48, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote:
Hi,
On 12/27/2011 12:15 AM, john whelan wrote:
osmconvert ottawa22.osm -v -b=-75.70,45.19,-75.73,45.23 ott.osm
But no data.
Thoughts?
Yes, I had not ony but two cock-ups in my message.
Of course -75.73 is smaller
I'm trying to save to a local file but I get
No Exporter found! Nothing saved.
Suggestions please. It's the latest JOSM version and I redownloaded it to
check.
Thanks John
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internet connection. After 3 retries with Update Plugins, JOSM told
me they're all up to date now.
Polyglot
2011/12/30 john whelan jwhelan0...@gmail.com
I'm trying to save to a local file but I get
No Exporter found! Nothing saved.
Suggestions please. It's the latest JOSM version and I
May I suggest that the clean way to deal with the data in OSM is to
basically remap the roads using Bing and the JOSM or whatever plugin so the
data is labelled as coming from Bing. Bing is available and it would give
a much more consistent and accurate map than OSM currently is.
Ideally I'd do
My suggestion would be to tag the data that maybe deleted. That way
individuals can see what needs to be repaired and the tags can be chosen so
that the data doesn't render on a normal web render, is that Mapnik rules?
It would also allow someone to build a set of rules that would display the
I concur the data in OSM is dubious enough without asking for trouble.
Cheerio John
On 9 February 2012 12:58, Michael Collinson m...@ayeltd.biz wrote:
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On 07/02/2012 08:36, Graham Jones wrote:
On 7 February 2012 05:34, Simone Cortesi sim...@cortesi.com wrote:
Our default action
The license on the database changes April 1st. Individuals have been
removing non compliant data for the last few months.
Cheerio John
On 12 March 2012 15:06, Alex Barth a...@mapbox.com wrote:
The message titled The Vandalism has begun on talk-us [1] suggests
that purging the OSM database of
Is there a way to select nodes with the same location as the validation
does but then find certain ones within that selection? It appears two
imports have been done in a fairly small area with a slight variation in
the source name.
Thanks John
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I was under the impression that OSM is riddled with data that is not .odbl
compliant. In some of my personal mapping my sources may not have been
fully personal observation which is more or less what I understand .odbl
requirements to be which is why I requested my contributions be deleted
since
Igor added a export-tag command to Maperitive that creates a local CSV file
that can be brought into a spreadsheet. You need a local copy of the .OSM
file or possibly .pbf version should work as well. It's very useful for
spotting tags that are misspelt. Once there you can concat red tape to
I wonder about lumping things together sometimes. Locally we have gas
stations amenity=fuel that have a convenience store and a ABM or ATM in OSM
language. I'm tempted to have three separate POIs in much the same way as
a bank with an ATM have two POIs together.
The problem with putting too
Could someone or a group come up with a more standard set of icons please?
Currently JOSM has its own set, various rendering systems have their own
sets but a single recommended set that covered more would be better.
Currently skateboard, Softball, T-ball, toboggan are things that don't seem
to
-0400, john whelan wrote:
Could someone or a group come up with a more standard set of icons
please?
lets appoint a committee ;-)
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Kenneth Gonsalves
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a single step.
In my eyes the only thing you can do, is to encourage people to start a
new icon set/add missing icons, by giving them a working map that makes use
of this icons.
bye,
Matthias (user:!i!)
Am 28.06.2012 00:06, schrieb john whelan:
Could someone or a group come up with a more
John
On 18 July 2012 16:04, Silvio Siefke siefke_lis...@web.de wrote:
On Tue, 17 Jul 2012 13:17:50 -0400
john whelan jwhelan0...@gmail.com wrote:
Have a look at Maperitive for off line mapping, it can use .pbf files
which
keeps the file size down and you can strip off sources etc with XML
Locally we have English and French. Unfortunately on one local street has
the following physical signs on it Prestone, Prestone Drive, Prom
Prestone Dr depending which sign you look at.
Personally I prefer the name:en etc it makes it easier to electronically
search for the name. Having to know
Do we need to consider the ways that have been derived from GPS tracks that
were licensed CC-by-SA and tag values such as road names where the original
has been replaced but tag information has been copied over for our
consumers to be reassured the data is .ODBL clean?
Cheerio John
On 13 August
Perhaps some one could sum up the implications for data consumers. It may
sound silly but it can take up many months to get formal approval in some
government circles.
Could some consideration be given to grandfathering, ie if your existing
use of our data is non profit or government and you are
Have a look at Maperitive it may do what you'd like it to do and is highly
customisable.
Cheerio John
On 30 August 2012 11:29, Lucas Nussbaum lu...@lucas-nussbaum.net wrote:
Hi,
I'm interested in building custom mtb-oriented maps using mkgmap (so
that I can create a small map of my area
Or since the OSM data is held as an xml data file with tags a quick VB
program to parse it will pull out the street names. Or even Maperitive,
load a local file, export tags, then you'll find a list of street names
prefixed by addr:street in csv format.
Cheerio John
On 23 September 2012 20:50,
If you pull it into JOSM and you can load up a fair chunk into JOSM these
days running it from a .bat file with extra memory then select and select
from selection or do a composite selection. You still need to check each
one but that should work. I'd also suggest double checking each one in
That would be my approach as well.
Cheerio John
On 27 November 2012 12:56, Jo winfi...@gmail.com wrote:
I wanted to tell you a few days ago that OsmAnd does all you want. Maybe
write a small manual page for it, for the subset of features your users
need.
I didn't do it then, hoping
Maperitive will give you even greater zoom levels off a local .osm map file.
Cheerio John
On 13 January 2013 15:23, Gervase Markham gerv-gm...@gerv.net wrote:
My memory may be playing tricks on me, but I'm sure it was once possible
to zoom in 1 more level than it is now, on the slippy map on
Everybody volunteers their time and knowledge but the existence of a board
at OSMF doesn't simply mean that some volunteers are now more equal than
others. (Organisations frequently rotate through board members.)
Thinking about structure, some discussion should be given as to OSMF
possibly
There are different approaches to surveys and loosely-worded questions or
open ended questions are one legitimate approach.
OSM suffers from a huge turnover or drop out rate of active mappers perhaps
the survey may help identify ways to help retention. We've already
identified that what is in
One major problem with surveys is the responses. You really want a cross
section sample so to be meaningful you'd need to generate a random list of
OSM users to send the questionnaire to then try to get the highest response
rate possible. OSM would need to be involved to send the questionnaire
for approved and qualified research
projects.
On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 4:35 PM, john whelan jwhelan0...@gmail.comwrote:
Always ask the income question last a lot of people will refuse to answer
that and any following questions. You'll get better responses with an age
range and on income in you
This is also one of my concerns, especially when using imports. I
don't think this has been discussed at all well.
Cheerio John
On 22 August 2010 09:13, John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.com wrote:
My largest complaint is that, if you click yes, you not only are agreeing
to the current new
Details here, I don't think its the hand held variety but better to
check and be safe.
Cut and paste this link into your browser rather than click on it to
reduce the risk of landing somewhere nasty.
http://www.tomsguide.com/us/fire-burn-hazard-warning-nuvi,news-7867.html
Thanks John
This is a major concern of mine, which is why I won't even bother
asking for local government data at the moment even though it is being
offered. Some one else can do the asking and explaining about the
flexible licensing we seem to be asking for because I don't want the
responsibility of asking
Just a comment from a security point of view a message with just a
link in it is often a link to Malware. The links have two parts a
visible part and a nonvisible bit that takes you to a web site.
If one looks doubtful the recommendation is to copy the visible link
and paste it in the browser
My view is there are very different requirements in different
countries. Countries such as Australia, US, Canada have much lower
population densities than many European countries. It's just not
practical to rely on people with GPS devices and cycles. Yes there is
tracing from satellite images
Welcome to the Internet. Unfortunately this is a down side of the
Internet some connections are better than others. It depends on the
capacity and volume of traffic that is running through each of the
same hops as you are using and the addresses in the servers that are
used to route the traffic.
Maperitive will zoom to level 19 rather than 18 gives a bit more detail.
You can modify the rule set to control what is displayed. I have seen
someone use JOSM on a laptop working with a stored local file to do this.
This has the advantage that you can just upload the changes directly.
Cheerio
If I look at the default map displayed on the web site then select base
layer cycle map I get nice blue lines on roads with cycle lanes, and cycle
paths which is perfect.
However in Ontario we have paved shoulders which are tagged
shoulder:access:bicycle=yes, together with shoulder:surface=paved
Just a comment not all the data is the map database is presented on these
map renders. I've been using Maperitive to selectively select data to be
displayed for a particular purpose and working with the rule set to display
the information in the way I wish it to be displayed. Working with a
Perhaps recognise that OSM is changing and developing in ways it's creators
never intended?
I'm currently looking at a project that uses data that is not cc-by-ca by
any means however it can be imported into an OSM file format and use the OSM
tool set to basically create a stand alone DVD that is
There are other rendering solutions such as Maperitive which give you
control over what is rendered. There are tags such as florist which are in
features wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Map_Features but not rendered by the
default schemes. Even with the web rendering there are things such as
Building something that is user friendly is actually quite difficult and
takes a lot more resources and testing than you might think. It really
needs a consistent integrated well planned team approach which isn't quite
what OSM is. We just have a lot of people who do their own thing.
Including
I'd like to be reassured that any effort I put into mapping will be useful,
ie we'll have a useful map at the end, not a blank page with two footpaths
on it. Have a look around Turkey Street Station in Enfield sometime in
North London where I understand Steve C has done a lot of mapping and you
*The decisions have been made, so it's time to accept them or if you
don't, to leave.*
Thank you for your views on the OSM community. In my view it is a community
and the relationship does need nurturing.
Nowhere in my post did I express a view that a change of license is bad.
However changes
Look down your entire message was under my text.
Cheerio John
On 13 November 2010 18:44, Serge Wroclawski emac...@gmail.com wrote:
This is a really unfair thing of you to have done, to take a very long
(1 page) email, quote a single sentence and then repost it to a
group.
- Serge
Can some one check my logic please, and note I am not advocating that
someone should do it only that we should think about the implications before
it happens.
Today OSM is licensed in a way that means in round terms you can basically
do whatever you like with it.
The new system will be licensed
from the database.
Cheerio John
On 14 November 2010 08:24, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com wrote:
On 13/11/2010 20:01, john whelan wrote:
Have a look around Turkey Street Station in Enfield sometime in North
London where I understand Steve C has done a lot of mapping and you are
literally
I've been a little selective in quoting your message but I think you have
correctly identified the split. Germany and the UK with high mapper density
are probably for the new license and dumping the older data other parts of
the world that don't have the luxury of such a high density of mappers
I think that the problems and implications of the change were not well
explained or even understood at the time. I'm not even sure they are today
by many people.
My training in computer system design suggests that listing the requirements
and concerns of the various users might be a useful
Just a comment from one of the 130 who has voted yes on the recommendation
of one of the people I thought was fairly sensible here and I now regret
taking his advice. I now strongly suspect I should have spent six months
wading through through the legal talk side of things rather than mapping
This is a fun one. CANVEC has address ranges for some Canadian provinces.
Locally after I imported the address ranges I found the missing streets
because you just have the two address lines with no road in the middle.
Working with others such as CANVEC does provide a method of cross checking
for
Certainly in Canada we have been having licensing issues with some levels of
government to be able to include their data in OSM. Part of the problem is
the open ended nature of the new license, the bit where OSM says Oh and we
can change the data license to anything we want to in the future. On
I used to create government procurements, big messy ones where sales guys
would hit the prime minister's office to protest and get fired fifteen
minutes after a debriefing when they lost. When dealing with potential
problems from egos I always found it very helpful to build a list of
requirements
I'm doing it quite nicely with Maperitive. I first wrote a VB program that
runs down an OSM file extracted by JOSM. It populates name:fr where blank
according to a set of rules that only work locally. You load the OSM file
back into JOSM and upload the changes. Then you just tell Maperitive to
Just a comment locally someone did a trace and managed to get one end of the
road about 100 meters out and connected at the wrong road junction. Took me
a while to sort it out.
Cheerio John
On 19 December 2010 19:18, j...@jfeldredge.com wrote:
OK, but there will likely be additional details
I'm probably in the same state. I suspect the only honest thing to do is to
request that all my data be removed. It seems a bit extreme but could that
be done? Yes I did agree to the ODBL change but that was taking advice from
some one who I now realise was bias and I didn't go through the
In general databases and Virtual machines do not work well together.
Databases tend to want fast disk accesses and the virtual machine bit slows
these down. Also typically virtual machines restrict the memory and
databases use the memory to reduce disk accesses so you get a second hit
there.
On small databases where performance isn't that critical they will work
under virtual machines but larger databases are different.
I was responsible for running large central database servers at Statistics
Canada and we had a server support area who thought Virtual Machines were
the only way to
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