to during morning or evening rush hour only, to stop a queue building
up when the on-coming traffic is heavy. So the joining road is not one-way,
only access is restricted.
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AND it is changed each year or so by the Boundary Commission :)
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Robin Paulson wrote:
On 11/01/2008, Lester Caine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Proposed_features/Tram_station
it will be moved to the approved features and map features pages
Should it be used for the stops on the track of a bus_guideway ;)
I do think
of Map_Features had a column for
the translated tag names! )
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Andy Robinson (blackadder) wrote:
Lester Caine wrote:
Sent: 13 January 2008 8:07 AM
To: OSM Talk
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] RFC - postal addresses (relations)
Claus Färber wrote:
I've written a proposal for postal addresses:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Relations/Proposed
Karl Newman wrote:
On Jan 17, 2008 12:52 PM, Lukasz Stelmach [EMAIL PROTECTED]
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Lester Caine wrote:
After my missive in the postal addresses thread I had yet another
scout around
on what is already available and how it is not being
the automatic population
would not be able to easily stablish that a particular boundary is within a
larger on, at which point the is_in flag for the higher levels become even
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breaking something?
I have added a FAQ to the wiki Page:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/User:OpenGeoDB#FAQ
Hope all questions will be answered there.
Very silly question - This covers Germany? I only ask because it's not obvious
and there are other countries that use German.
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Karl Newman wrote:
On Jan 29, 2008 10:56 AM, Lester Caine [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Robin Paulson wrote:
one of the tag proposals i've been working on recently has got me
thinking about tagging composite items, and the best way to do
to the lighthouses?
Dermot
PS: I'd still love to see those lighthouses we do map appearing on the
rendered output.
I'm sure that will happen eventually.
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Island - is_in New Zealand and Auckland and
Wellington is_in North Island
( And perhaps New Zealand is_in South Pacific ? )
I've been glancing at a few of the recent links on the list and then having no
idea where I am looking :(
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Lester Caine wrote:
Alex Mauer wrote:
I've added a decision tree to the physical section of the page, as well
as removed the boulevard designation (since it didn't really add much)
I'd like to have some more comments from the UK and german end, as to
whether
Alex Mauer wrote:
Lester Caine wrote:
Hmm, that's not what I was going for. I was going for the
administrative designation of the road (that is, M, A, B [I gather] in
the UK, I-, US, [state abbrev] in the US) . In the US this is closely
tied to who maintains it. In Europe it seems
either to add the rule consistently, or remove it. A SWITCH for 'consistent'
rendering which can be disabled on local versions were people are not bothered
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the renderers play silly
tricks to make things look right. Lets just be consistent in how things are
handled. What ever the inconsistency!
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J.D. Schmidt wrote:
Lester Caine skrev:
Again - the fact that people are giving time to enter data is
precisely why we need to be producing a guide to how to do things that
is consistent. If people are going to tidy up these 'couple of
problems' then we don't want one person deleting
to jump directly to related data will always speed up data mapping?
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Richard Fairhurst wrote:
Lester Caine wrote:
We need ONE set of rendering rules that will produce consistent
results
No we don't - that's half the point of OSM. If we had ONE set of
rendering RULES then we wouldn't have a CYCLE map.
I'm not talking about STYLE - I'm talking base data
J.D. Schmidt wrote:
Lester Caine skrev:
Do you have to re-write the renderer every time someone comes up with
a new conflict?
Short answer : Yes.
Long answer : The renderer operates on a subset of the data contained in
the DB. It is up to the operator of the renderer to extract
for reams of processing and new bodge code for every node/area tag
conflict?
We then don't have to worry about duplicates - they don't exist. If they do,
then one or other needs to be merged to leave a single distinct entry?
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Or perhaps we just have to live with some duplicate results in a search
telling us different things about the same place?
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David Earl wrote:
On 26/02/2008 15:43, David Earl wrote:
On 26/02/2008 14:45, Robert (Jamie) Munro wrote:
Lester Caine wrote:
| ANY POI that is changed from node to area will potentially have the same
| problem, and we should be fixing the general rule not starting to build
| another set
Mark Williams wrote:
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[big snip]
LOGICALLY - there should never have been a problem created. A POI element
should consist of a single entity which may have additional area
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Are they any protection while answering messages on the list? :)
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Frederik Ramm wrote:
Hi,
On 19.03.2008, at 09:14, Lester Caine wrote:
Which is why FOR LEGAL REASONS most decent wiki type frameworks don't
have
delete as an option for basic users!
[...]
HOPEFULLY more countries will follow AND and New Zealand in providing
accurate
data but only
on
Acrobat 7.0.9
But it is fine on kGhostView ;)
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transforms on 100s of thousands of elements when the boundary surrounding them
is not even complete yet :(
Please can we at least start with a set of objects that define the countries
of the world and consistently uses them to define those elements that are
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that 'Pass into Suffolk or
Norfolk' could be identified. The hierarchy is never going to be simple, but
some means of adding sensible data IS required?
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you should be in would probably cover EVERY possible option. How do
people cope around there? Took me 2 hours to get from Croydon around to the M4
yesterday :( I'll use the M25 next time ;)
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Chris Hill wrote:
Lester Caine wrote:
Iván Sánchez Ortega wrote:
quote who=Lester Caine
The map looks nice. But once again it took some detective work to
establish WHERE in the world we were looking :(
By detective work you mean, like, zooming out? :-P
No - where
perfectly rounded data as shown
perfectly by the very page we are talking about -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naga_City%2C_Camarines_Sur - but in the absence
of any alternative free source ... )
On 4/9/08, Richard Fairhurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Lester Caine wrote:
I repeat - WHERE are you
Steve Hill wrote:
That's rather unexpected:
http://geo.topf.org/comparison/index.html?mt0=googlemapmt1=mapniklon=-122.084187lat=37.42216z=17
Satellite?
Those buildings are clearly visible.
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Andy Allan wrote:
On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 9:24 AM, Lester Caine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Looking at the growing mess of wiki pages relating to
place/is_in/boundary/relations and the rest I think that I would not be
wasting my time now putting together a 'proposal' for good practice
Iván Sánchez Ortega wrote:
quote who=Lester Caine
Something that has already been discussed is an information box for the
corner of a map with reference data, but without information accessible
quickly from the data how do you populate that box? Cached data on a tile
by tile basis may
it returns is still not particularly complete as it does
not return WHICH Naga we are looking at in the Philippines on the fact that we
are in the Philippines. SO how does Maning tidy things up so that the missing
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But that only addresses one small 'problem' and misses the bigger one of
finding 'all the golf courses in England' or 'all the Islands in the
Philippines'. A single lookup to find ALL the boundaries
licence, so coaches are not exempt, and I understand that the luxury 9
seater coaches have now been included where the limit used to be 12 seater.
But James is not sure on that change to the rules.
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make senses especially with discussions on including
details like 'platform' and access to those from footpaths on the railway
information. Trams are just less protected railway lines, and a complete map
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movements. All we
need is a list of 'stops' be they bus,tram,train or boat, and then you have
the route. We could manually create a full timetable from the 'schedule' in a
couple of hours - given the right basic tools ;)
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Ben Laenen wrote:
On Thursday 24 April 2008, Lester Caine wrote:
It is the same problem where the tram way and the road share the same
way, but isn't it more normal to find that there is a way for the
tram track in the same way as the separate carriage ways of a two
carriage way road?
I've
that
Relations should be used, and how a 'bus route' for example could be created
from relationships between the way and possible nodes that relate to it. The
current discussion is addressing small parts of the whole and not providing a
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of C++ applications and now increasingly PHP.
So any extensions I come up with ( such as NLPG data interface ) will be in PHP
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where a lot of the users do not have
English as a first language! It often produces unnecessary discussions
EXPLAINING the 'nuances' so many internationally spread lists do tend to clamp
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required? But a compact - language agnostic - format would improve performance
in a number of areas?
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fix a problem themselves ) to report problems? While a 'This looks OK' sounds
a good idea - it only looks OK for what the user is looking for. But a 'So and
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. Almost no-one here
would call any kind of waterway a drain. Definitely clarify that on
the Wiki.
In the US am I right in thinking that storm water drains may only have actual
water in them under flood conditions. From what I remember of car chases in
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councils ...
A hint on where you are based would help us identify which councils have
already been covered ;)
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from routes, but also do
not replace the basic elements such as 'railway and footway' that form part of
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only if approved. This is in essence how the nlpg database
works, each council has it's own local copy, and agreed data is replicated to
the national copy.
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and areas is the cause of
an unnecessary problem and that the node data for them should be integral to
each object. However I can see the arguments either way.
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etc for the boundaries, rather than a numeric value.
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Key:boundary
Is basically wrong - UK boundary should be admin_level=2
admin_level=3 should be used for the separate England/ Scotland/ Wales
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THAT should be level 2 for Europe with countries at level 3.
I don't think that the level structure was eve actually agreed - and now it's
biting back?
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Iván Sánchez Ortega wrote:
El Viernes, 30 de Mayo de 2008, Lester Caine escribió:
Personally I've been viewing admin_level=0 as the world.
Yeah, say that again when extraterrestrials invade us :-P
we can always have -ve number ;)
admin_level=1 should equal the continents
I'm against
Martijn van Oosterhout wrote:
On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 10:17 PM, Lester Caine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm not bothered that these levels are numbers, it is just that the CURRENT
numbers do not allow for ALL of the levels as THIS list suggests.
I still think there is a place for continents
boundaries ;)
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80n wrote:
The coastline looks ok from here:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=27.987lon=-15.521zoom=10layers=0B0FTF
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=27.987lon=-15.521zoom=10layers=0B0FTF
Toggle to mapnik
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' in software has been avoided to far, but if other
'politically sensitive' areas need help - that may need reviewing again?
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Pascal Neis wrote:
hi,
all services of openrouteservice.org
now also available for UK and Ireland.
have fun!
cheers
pascal
http://openrouteservice.org/
What am I not doing?
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page ;)
Could probably even make money from it :)
Train times would also fit well into that approach, as well as other
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we not simply apply that speed without adding another
layer of complexity? A default of the speed of a previous road section
should be all that is needed where a maxspeed is not defined rather
than THEN having to go to check some higher level rule.
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Guenther Meyer wrote:
Am Thursday 21 May 2009 schrieb Lester Caine:
Guenther Meyer wrote:
So while discussing HOW the default speed for roads are calculated is
important, can we not simply apply that speed without adding another
layer of complexity?
I wouldn't do that, because it's a derived
Guenther Meyer wrote:
Am Thursday 21 May 2009 schrieb Lester Caine:
ALL roads have a defined maximum speed limit ... is this just a matter
of 'conversion to english'? The fact that a road does not have a
specific sign is not something that maxspeed is concerned with? At least
in my reading
relating to the
road type, which MAY have a country related element to them as again
listed on the relevent wiki page ( Links were posted earlier )
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would show which areas the relevent source covers?
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violation of privacy, but if Google do it is a 'public service' - usual sod
the law arrogance :(
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if you want' is just
arrogance that should not be condoned. Just like their copying of books
without actually getting permission from the copyright owner!
Le 30 juil. 09 à 12:04, Lester Caine a écrit :
OJ W wrote:
Maybe the big tricycle is needed to lift the cameras up above the
traffic
at a problem to make it go away should
not be acceptable :(
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But the point I was trying to make was more that of 'We get
stopped and told
we have to ask permission' while Goggle stick two fingers
up and just carry on
regardless. It is about time there was a level playing
could well make a case for a 'way' having a 'highway', 'cycleway'
and 'footway' tag if appropriate, so American motorways that have cycle access
would simply add a 'cycleway' tag with separate linking ways if appropriate?
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'Urban' areas should on the whole be covered by
'residential' or 'service' in
between the 4 main vehicle route tags. Although personally
I'd prefer that
motorway service roads were not grouped with 'industrial
4WD vehicles are appearing nowadays, but it's not always clear what they
are actually capable off. So 4WD_Only is not really the correct terminology
and does not clearly identify the problem? IS it ground clearance, deep fords,
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the designation of 'green belt' within an urban area probably adds a
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sortable list. All land in the UK is already classified under this scheme and
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Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
2009/8/6 Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk:
If there are countries where the road classification system identifies
tertiary roads distinctly then fair enough, but most of the residential and
service roads in the UK are probably tertiary rather than unclassified, which
of
would also benefit from 'elevation' information, in providing additional
information ( the footpath routes have stairs for long distances! ) 'foot=not
recommended' is the best description, and the wheelchair/pram rule certainly
closes many roads to pedestrian routing.
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then a search engine will
provide a link to that page, it will not provide the link directly since there
will probably be no text matching the search?
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David Earl wrote:
Lester Caine wrote:
maning sambale wrote:
For example, I search a POI in G and it points me to an OSM node.
The simple answer has to be no.
But the complicated answer is yes: in that I am working on the
namefinder index to make it available through URLs (and a set
David Earl wrote:
Lester Caine wrote:
David Earl wrote:
Lester Caine wrote:
maning sambale wrote:
For example, I search a POI in G and it points me to an OSM node.
The simple answer has to be no.
But the complicated answer is yes: in that I am working on the
namefinder index to make
just seems totally out of place . ? There is only one
roadway ...
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separate waterway and indicate their tow-paths, but these really form part
of the footpath grid rather than the canal network.
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this sort of fine detail it has to be done as a separate
object. Breaking up a simply way every time the footpath detail changes, and
then trying to combine that with additional ways where they fall a bit further
way from the road is what needs to be avoided?
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' to discuss the macro/micro
mapping differences required, but at the end of the day, the sub tagging
relating to 'pedestrian' details should be consistent. cycleway details should
then naturally layer into what ever structure is agreed?
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;)
bicycle=secondary is probably more accurate in a number of instances.
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