on. I think this is what you
were referring to Alistair?
So XTherion can scale, rotate and morph images. It is just an indirect process.
Hopefully I will remember it for next time it comes up.
Thanks
Bruce
12. 5. 2021 v 22:36, Bruce Mutton mailto:br...@tomo.co.nz> >:
Thanks for your
le to track something down based on the above and the snip from my f02bd7a
log file as below.
Bruce
.
[3060] [3061] [3062] [3063] [3064] [3065] [3066] [3067] [3068] [3069] [3070]
[3071] [3072] [3073] [3074] [3075] [3076] [3077] [3078] [3079] [3080] [3081]
[3082] [3083] [3084] [3085] [3086]
Paul
I expect this looks like something that is controlled at the TopoDroid end of
the process.
Maybe try asking on a TopoDroid forum?
Bruce
From: Therion On Behalf Of Paul Rowe
Sent: Wednesday, 21 April 2021 09:49
To: List for Therion users
Subject: Re: [Therion] XVI output
not much
help, and have forgotten much of what I did know anyway.
Bruce
From: Therion On Behalf Of Paul Rowe
Sent: Tuesday, 20 April 2021 10:43
To: List for Therion users
Subject: [Therion] XVI output misaligned (rotated) from original TopoDroid
sketches
Hi,
I'm just tryin
be at least three plan scraps.
Personally I prefer much shorter scraps, I find 250 m to be very long, but
other than making debugging a little harder, excessive scrap length/size should
not be a cause of your problems.
Bruce
From: Therion On Behalf Of Michael Ross
Sent
round colour. This can point to problems with gaps between
scraps and incorrect yellow ticks (interior of passage), but will not
identify -outline errors (because the pdf generator seems to reliably know
better than the user!)
Bruce
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From: Therion On Behalf Of Michael
Thanks Stacho
Tried out <https://github.com/therion/therion/tree/c43b32a> c43b32a, the next
one in the sequence, and it seems to behave perfectly.
Thankyou very much, problem solved.
Bruce
From: Therion On Behalf Of Stacho Mudrak
Sent: Tuesday, 9 March 2021 09:37
To: List for T
e?
Anyone else had similar behaviour?
I have copied some short extracts below.
Bruce
eg
XTHERION TRANSCRIPT and THERION.LOG with LOOP CLOSURE SURVEX
.
selecting export objects ... done
writing ./Output/GLSM_SystemSurveys.html ... done
writing ./Output/GLSM_SystemContinua
y just three scraps in a sequential line as you
traverse along a single passage?
Bruce
From: Therion On Behalf Of Axel
Sent: Saturday, 6 March 2021 09:11
To: therion@speleo.sk
Subject: [Therion] Join 3 scraps from different maps
good evening all,
just encountered a strange behaviour
integer for elevation scrap stacking order (say zero or 1 is
at the bottom). Just an idea, I don’t feel a particular need for it.
Thanks
Bruce
From: Therion On Behalf Of Stacho Mudrak
Sent: Sunday, 24 January 2021 08:15
To: List for Therion users
Subject: Re: [Therion] Map altitude NaN a
Hi StachoI mostly get -8999 etc for my maps (not near my computer so cannot be
specific on the circumstances) especially where maps are composed of surveys
rather than scraps. I'm using Windows 10.I was a little perplexed that the map
altitudes are undefined. Shouldn't the second level maps just
identified, which is
interesting.
Bruce
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Sent: Friday, 8 January 2021 09:42
To: List for Therion users
Subject: Re: [Therion] new Therion 5.5.6
Thanks a lot, Xavier.
You are right, this fix introduced another (much more serious) bug. It should
be
been this way, then it is not a problem to consider for the
Debian release, but maybe later on.
Bruce
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Sent: Thursday, 24 December 2020 09:44
To: List for Therion users
Subject: Re: [Therion] Therion 5.5.5 bug - statistics missing from header
If
Thanks Stacho
That solves the problem.
Bruce
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Sent: Tuesday, 22 December 2020 05:19
To: List for Therion users
Subject: Re: [Therion] statistics number untrapped
error
Thanks a lot Bruce, looks like a bull's eye. I was able to replicate
if there are only 3 surveyors, but is >= 3, then there
should not be any error condition, and the output should be produced listing
the 3 properties. So it seems like a bug to me.
Bruce
From: Therion On Behalf Of Stacho Mudrak
Sent: Sunday, 13 December 2020 21:15
To: List for Ther
lines that connect all three instances of some stations. Is
this standard behaviour or has this been custom coded?
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statements, I get the same behaviour, an untrapped error. So I
think the carto-count is working perfectly and I have just unearthed a
different problem.
Have not yet tested statistics copyright-count. I presume it will be OK based
on the success with carto-count.
Bruce
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Thanks StachoAway for few days so will look next week. Bruce
Original message From: Stacho Mudrak Date:
20/11/20 09:20 (GMT+12:00) To: List for Therion users
Subject: Re: [Therion] Feature request - control over sort order for carto and
copyright similar to explo and topo
played in front because of the spelling of our names!
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/mapconnectors?s[]=offset
<https://therion.speleo.sk/wiki/mapconnectors?s%5b%5d=offset>
I’ll tinker with it some more… For me it is really only a debug process while
I am drawing, so it is best if it soes not require special structures to
activate and deactivate.
Bruce
From: Theri
Path) =
l_waterflow_permanent_UIS (Path);
enddef;
endcode
You need to do a similar thing with the definition of your debris and presumed
wall lines to show instead as bedrock.
Bruce
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From: Therion On Behalf Of Pavel Herich
Sent: Monday, 2
For many years I have been adding a copyright date and text string to each
of my scraps and survey centrelines.
Always the same text string, and the date according to when the scrap and
centreline was created.
Always with the same result - a statistic in the pdf export that includes
the string
users will detect the
problem (as you have), and either upgrade to a more recent version of Therion,
or manually set the declination for each affected survey, using the declination
statement.
Bruce
From: Therion On Behalf Of Matthias Keller
Sent: Monday, 5 October 2020 21:40
To: therion
xpected, make no difference at
all.
And in one easy step, all of the scraps now plot in the correct stacking
order!
So why does 'maps off' make scraps plot in the correct order when there are
no maps defined?
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I have done this in the past I am pretty sure, but a very quick look just now
makes me wonder if I have resolved all the multiple fixes in currently active
projects to single fixes. Sorry, not much help.
Bruce
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From: Therion On Behalf Of Tarquin Wilton-Jones via
both scenarios give co-incident
stations 1a and 1b, which I believe is what you are after.
So all these years I've been using the 'better' survex loop closure to avoid
one bug, and inadvertently falling for another!
Bruce
-Original Message-
From: Therion On Behalf Of Tar
Yes, 6c41c82 enables me to compile Xavier’s example without error.
Bruce
From: Therion On Behalf Of Stacho Mudrak
Sent: Thursday, 10 September 2020 08:46
To: List for Therion users
Subject: Re: [Therion] Bug with uncertainty on fixed station on windows 10?
Hi Xavier,
could you
I have checked to see if that problem still
manifested, but it did not. I never figured out why it did it for only a
window in time/Therion versions.
Bruce
-Original Message-
From: Therion On Behalf Of Xavier Pennec
Sent: Thursday, 10 September 2020 09:05
To: therion@speleo.sk
Subject
I forgot to point out that most of my projects probably have multiple fixed
stations with uncertainty parameters set. I don't think I have experienced any
problems, at least in recent times and with recent versions of Therion.
So your example is interesting.
Bruce
-Original Me
older versions report not finding Cavern, which is installed,
but is from a recent Survex 1.2.43, so that could explain it.
Bruce
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Sent: Wednesday, 9 September 2020 09:18
To: 'List for Therion users'
Subject: [Therion] Bug w
two separate commands like this:
> extend 85 1
> extend left 1
> or
> extend 85 1 2
> extend left 1 2
Nope, still gets the unknown extend flag error.
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n.exe: error --
Extend-DwarfsDoorElevEXT.th [120] -- unknown extend flag - 85"
BTW I assume the reduction and the three-station path ignores will be
reported when log extend is added to the thconfig?
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From: Therion On Behalf Of Axel
Sent: Friday, 31 July 2020 20:29
To: therion@speleo.sk
Subject: [Therion] context related hide with custom point
hi all,
We need to show some elements (or different sizes of them
licit tests.
I’ve really only been prompted to bring it up now because a) we’re making good
progress on extend behaviour and blocks of extend statements are becoming
mainstream, and b) I have inherited some survey notes for which the sketches
will be best drawn in pencil over a pdf printout
d vertical, and
extend left -stretch 100 would be the same as
extend left (ie 100% is the default behaviour we have now)
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horizontal extension of the
leg, left or right
where
extend left 0 would be the same as extend vertical, and
extend left 100 would be the same as extend left (ie 100% is
the default behaviour we have now)
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if it could provide easily understood
and predictable control.
Maybe TopoDroid has some lessons for what might work well?
Bruce
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From: Therion On Behalf Of Marco Corvi
Sent: Monday, 20 July 2020 23:26
To: therion@speleo.sk
Subject: Re: [Therion] Revisiting Breaking exten
time 7 is encountered, or just the first time?
Seems like ‘extend stop station’ could be problematic or unpredictable,
especially in live projects where new surveys are regularly added.
I like the idea of ‘extend stop leg’, but probably not ‘extend stop station’.
Bruce
From: Therion On
and stopped at particular stations legs?
Maybe...
extend [equates (default) | ignore-equates ] [ [station1] [[station2]] ]
This could be used where the extended network is defined 'in-line' with the
survey data, and 'in blocks' separated from the survey data.
Bruc
Anton
comment
endcomment block is allowed in data and configuration files.
Page 13 Therion Book
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From: Therion On Behalf Of Anton van Rosmalen
Sent: Friday, 17 July 2020 07:24
To: therion@speleo.sk
Subject: [Therion] Block comment
Hey guys,
I hope you don't mind me ask
process them (as
it does with survey data)?
Bruce
From: Therion On Behalf Of Stacho Mudrak
Sent: Wednesday, 15 July 2020 17:43
To: List for Therion users
Subject: Re: [Therion] Revisiting Breaking extended elevations on specific
stations
Hi, after returning from the caving trip, I would
Explorer can reliably see and move
and delete folders and files.
The only downside is that I cannot text edit json files on the device directly
from Windows, but I can copy them back and forth, so it works out in the end.
Bruce
-Original Message-
>> But I have not made complete f
be missing something very obvious.
Do I need to install a third-party file manager?
Bruce
-Original Message-
...
BlueStacks 4 (not available on version 3).
Start it, log in to Play Store.
"Home" tab - Library - Google Play Store, install SexyTopo.
"Home
g front it puts up.
SexyTopo looks like it works and Media Manager looks like it will too.
I like the way I get a SexyTopo shortcut that starts directly from my Windows
10 taskbar.
Tomorrow to try some real data from a hodge podge of SexyTopo files I've just
inherited.
Bruce
-O
So this?
https://developer.android.com/studio/run/emulator
Looks complicated for a non-developer. Will give it a go.
Bruce
From: Therion On Behalf Of David Cooke via
Therion
Sent: Friday, 10 July 2020 00:43
To: therion@speleo.sk
Cc: David Cooke
Subject: Re: [Therion] Android cave
PocketTopo, having the cave open in both
applications (Therion and PocketTopo). It helps keep me oriented while
drawing/editing in Therion. And I don't always have a suitable Android
device on hand when using Therion.
Bruce
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force
How about...
extend ignore 8 7 [ (from) | to ]
... since we already use the from and to keywords with respect to stations at
each end of a survey leg?
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BACK 5@extendedloop
BACK 6@extendedloop
BACK 7@extendedloop
RIGHT 11@extendedloop # and 7 to 11
Done
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here will be some unpredictable hidden
behaviours in there”.
A question Stacho.
Are extend statements processed in sequence they are written, or are they all
read by Therion before Therion chooses best order to process them (as it does
with survey data)?
I’m suspecting the latter.
Bruce
@extendedloop
RIGHT 8@extendedloop
RIGHT 7@extendedloop #gap here
BACK 9@extendedloop
BACK 10@extendedloop
BACK 2@extendedloop
LEFT 1@extendedloop
done
From: Therion On Behalf Of Bruce Mutton
Sent: Tuesday, 7 July 2020 20:59
To: 'List for Therion users'
Subject: Re
although more intuitive, lets cancel that idea!
Bruce
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Therion
Sent: Tuesday, 7 July 2020 09:12
To: Therion
Cc: Tarquin Wilton-Jones
Subject: [Therion] Revisiting Breaking extended elevations on specific stations
. ie scales, statistics, northarrows or whatever.
Anyway, symbol-set, symbol-assign, symbol redefinitions, then specific
symbol-hide or -show with layout file copys somewhere in the middle seems like
a sensible rule of thumb.
Bruce
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ion is when a recent survey is added, and the compiling
software version pre-dates that survey (geomagnetic model cuts out prior to
the survey date). In this circumstance Therion sets the magnetic deviation
to zero and does not report the error, or reports it as something unrelated.
Bruce
where
Therion does its own data processing.
For users who want a work around, there is one described in the last line of
the thread linked above.
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noit, I had not thought of your approaches and
they helped me make some mental connections. I guess redefining metapost
for 'area dimensions' is the same as specifying 'walls off' in the survey
file.
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Or symbol-hide group cave-centreline
From: Bruce Mutton
Sent: Wednesday, 15 April 2020 07:44
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Subject: RE: [Therion] Sketches on doesn't work / legacy survey
Try this spelling - centreline
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Try this spelling - centreline
From: Therion On Behalf Of Roger Schuster
Sent: Wednesday, 15 April 2020 07:37
To: List for Therion users
Subject: Re: [Therion] Sketches on doesn't work / legacy survey
Hi,
this results in the following error:
symbol-hide line centerline: error -- t
orient the sketch to the
scrap – at least that is how I have always done it.
I also suggest plotting the survey centreline while you are going through the
debugging process – I couldn’t make that work in your example just now – brain
fade.
Bruce
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might be a better translation for 'point disk'?
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code tex-atlas
\def\dopage{\box\mapbox}
\insertmaps
endlayout
Seems like it should achieve at least some of your aims.
Bruce
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From: Therion On Behalf Of Benedikt Hallinger
Sent: Saturday, 1 February 2020 11:33
To: therion@speleo.sk
Subject: [Therion] Changing Atlas layout
agating from (unless it is a splay shot).
> Interesting. So we have three existing implementations, but two different
> mechanisms (Survex does it the other way). Most of Therion's data syntax is
> compatible (and directly interchangeable) with Survex.
> This i
Tarquin, our messages crossed...
> At least in my head, "extend vertical 3" feels like it should mean
> "everything from station 3 onwards". I think Bruce also expected this, given
> what he wrote in the wiki "extend" article:
https://therion.speleo.sk/wi
ocketTopo you do it
interactively in the graphic view, and with Therion textually.
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thought, and further to my email 30 Nov 2019
<https://www.mail-archive.com/therion@speleo.sk/msg07860.html> , maybe we can
put together some sort of guidance or suggested standards for symbol coding, so
that these sorts of surprizes are less likely to happen?
Bruce
-Original M
Both of those install files (and every one released in between) installed and
ran just fine on my machine.
Windows 10 Home 64 bit.
It has cmd.exe but not command.com
Bruce
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Therion
Sent: Friday, 13 December 2019 11
bly randomly bump into that,
>one day.
Scraps with open ends that are wider than they are long is a good start if you
want to make things tricky. And yes, invisible walls (or -visibility off) is
the solution. Details here
https://therion.speleo.sk/wiki/drawingchecklist?s[]=scr
attribute redundant. For now, giving users the
outline attribute gives them control.
Bruce
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Therion
Sent: Thursday, 12 December 2019 04:59
To: therion@speleo.sk
Cc: Tarquin Wilton-Jones
Subject: Re: [Therion] S
tions, joined by 139 legs.
etc
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exactly what is
going on, so that I can then make good decisions.
Cheers
Bruce
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Therion
Sent: Wednesday, 4 December 2019 08:55
To: therion@speleo.sk
Cc: Tarquin Wilton-Jones
Subject: Re: [Therion] Breaking a loop at a
-offset if OFF is chosen, defined offsets are ignored, and the scraps are
drawn in their true positions. Previews are exported as usual (although
previews associated with any offsets are of course not required). Maps-offset
has no meaning or effect if maps off is also chosen.
Bruce
From
at is intended.
Also the syntax description in the Therion Book for maps has been swapped
with maps-offset, just to make it interesting perhaps. :)
I wonder if the therion.log should report the state of the maps-offset flag,
once it is working?
Bruce
From: Therion On Behalf Of Mar
is.
Some of these suggestions would change the existing behaviour a little, so
that is something to consider, with regards to compatibility for existing
projects. I don't think the impact would be very big in most cases.
Thoughts?
Bruce
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something amiss with the alignment of speleothem symbols, but it is not of
the same nature. Eventually I will have a go at fixing it, but not for some
time. Maybe I will put together an example file to demonstrate the issue first,
so that I can be sure second time around that it is solved.
Sor
ayouts exist and plot one over the other?
I guess there might be a problem with the maps rendering twice, once for each
maplayout.
Seems like a silly question, but I had to ask it.
Bruce
From: Therion On Behalf Of Torsten Schnitter via
Therion
Sent: Friday, 29 November 2019 09:34
To
ace in entirely the
wrong direction. It at first appears to be random, because it depends entirely
on the value of the rotation option. But this is a live problem (bug) for
almost every point symbol currently in Therion.
Bruce
Rodrigo
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Sent: Thursday, 28 November 2019 00:14
To: Therion Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Therion] How to rotate XVI?
HI Torsten and Bruce,
I'm not a "coder" but I implemented the e
>> Do you have a graphic example of your symbols?
>Sure. Here it is:
>https://drive.google.com/open?id=1vXQg23eaPnG1XiQvohGY3Yhk6S7KxZCz
That sets a new standard Rodrigo. I look forward to playing with them.
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Sent: Monday, 25 November 2019 06:09
To: therion
Cc: r...@protonmail.com
Subject: [Therion] New symbols
Hi,
I have create the following 52 new symbols for Therion:
Therion symbol set
labels and arrows seem to be quite complicated, and interrelated with
other features.
Bruce
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Therion
Sent: Wednesday, 27 November 2019 07:14
To: therion@speleo.sk
Cc: Tarquin Wilton-Jones
Subject: [Therion] ***UNCHECKED
t bear little relation to
the original message.
Bruce
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Sent: Monday, 25 November 2019 23:33
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Cc: Torsten Schnitter
Subject: [Therion] ***UNCHECKED*** Re: How to rotate XVI?
Hi
I got the answer for rotati
.
2. I like the line you used for the ground profile. Would you share the
code for that?
3. I like the layout of the text information boxes. Would you share an
example of the code for those? (cave name, location, surveyed, thanks,
exploration history)
Regards
Bruce
metapost.
I think scale m = 1, with the other values each scaled up or down by root 2.
Therefore xs = 0.5, xl = 2.0
Good luck
I’ll be watching with interest.
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>> 21. 11. 2019 v 19:53, Bruce Mutton :
>> We have the scrap option 'walls which should toggle the
>> use of the scrap for 3d generation.
>It doesn’t work for this situation.
>Martin
Is this a bug, or something peculiar to your project?
I should test the wall
e should be a tidy way to suppress the use of
scraps in any output.
Seems to me that a scrap needs the option -visibility <[on] | off> to manage
this situation?
Bruce
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Sent: Friday, 22 November 2019 04:59
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rror the data structure;
-BigCavernRanch
|-AllieSpring
|-CascadeCaverns
|-MillCreek
|-ShiftyRock
And not the current situation in which it is not possible to infer the data
structure;
-AllieSpr
outputs (therefore offsets are disabled). Only scraps from the selected maps
are output. Survey centrelines and stations are not output.
https://therion.speleo.sk/wiki/bds
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you isolate the particular leg that you want? A textual debug might help find
the answer.
Bruce
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Sent: Friday, 15 November 2019 00:09
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Subject: Re: [Therion] Breaking a loop at a specific station on extended
elevation
if I get a chance.
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uts#changing_the_look_or_layout_of_a_map_output>
(ie loading a picture or text file that is in or near the current folder). I
am not sure that I find the solution presented for ‘absolute paths’ palatable
yet, unless tex and or metapost can be tricked into accepting some degree of
relative path.
uld be nice to have some actual examples of amended variables, and some
Therion input mp and tex files snippets that use them.
Bruce
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Sent: Wednesday, 13 November 2019 07:55
To: therion@speleo.sk
Subject: Re: [T
s eventuality can be accommodated by
clever coders however.
:)
Bruce
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From: Therion On Behalf Of Wookey
Sent: Tuesday, 12 November 2019 11:18
To: therion@speleo.sk
Subject: Re: [Therion] Breaking a loop at a specific station on extended
elevation
On 2019-11-12 07:20 +1
point 1 below.
I don't have a problem with the characteristic you mention in point 2. I think
it is just semantics associated with the word 'ignore', and sequential process.
If you think 'break' then is it all OK?
Bruce
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rly straight forward, but it can be very
complicated for a real cave, especially if you don’t start thinking about the
extended elevation until you have 10 km of passage in your project.
Any further insights greatly appreciated.
Bruce
PS: I just noticed on page 25 of the Therion Book
://therion.speleo.sk/wiki/extend#summary_of_all_extend_options_for_survey_centrelines
Bruce
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Sent: Sunday, 10 November 2019 01:46
To: therion@speleo.sk
Cc: Tarquin Wilton-Jones
Subject: [Therion
ot;scrap has no point stations defined - cannot
be scaled".
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Well said Nick. Good advice.
Bruce
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Sent: Friday, 1 November 2019 23:45
To: List for Therion users
Subject: Re: [Therion] Horrific Warping between maps where I want my lines to
join
>… don't join in the middle of a chamber...
I thin
n, and in this particular case was trying to join the three
nearest openings together. I predict that an acceptable result would be
obtained if a gap were to be opened near the brown circles.
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Bruce
From: Therion On Behalf Of Martin Sluka via Therion
Sent: Thursday, 31 October 2019 02:25
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to what I use,
so the namespace relationship will be different.
The first time, you may need to figure it out yourself, but once you have
done that you can compile your project, then in the compiler window, double
click on the component map to select it with its correct path.
Bruce
From: T
is no map selected, all scraps belonging to selected
surveys are
selected by default for map export.
You can easily control what is plotted by defining a 'map all' in your
BigCavernRanch.th file (or elsewhere) and then selecting it in your 'all'
thconfig.
Bruce
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