Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Squeezebox Touch Question for Audiophiles

2010-09-17 Thread Phil Leigh
adamdea;577147 Wrote: I haven't tried out the modded audiocom XDAC without the XPSU but am tempted to experiment now. I have always found it as bit odd that it only steps down 240VAC to 24 VAC, as I would have assumed that the point of an external PSU would be to keep to AC/DC conversion

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Squeezebox Touch Question for Audiophiles

2010-09-16 Thread Phil Leigh
adamdea;576814 Wrote: Good idea. Mind you, an xpsu tweak is all I need. Just when I thought my audiophilia nervosa was easing. If you so much as think about veils lifting... I don't know about veils lifting... but it does sound good. Must do an AudioDiff test @ the weekend. Can't trust the

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Squeezebox Touch Question for Audiophiles

2010-09-16 Thread adamdea
Phil Leigh;576971 Wrote: I don't know about veils lifting... but it does sound good. Must do an AudioDiff test @ the weekend. Can't trust the olde ears/brain. An A/B shows a definite difference at the top end of vocals and cymbals - seems to take away a slight tizziness. Of course it might

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Squeezebox Touch Question for Audiophiles

2010-09-16 Thread Phil Leigh
adamdea;577044 Wrote: Very kind of you, thanks, but I will pass for now. I have just got my Touch back after audioupgrades fitted the second clock (and connected the first clock which they had actually not connected- the 44.1/88.2 was still coming from the stock oscillator.) I am not

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Squeezebox Touch Question for Audiophiles

2010-09-16 Thread JohnSwenson
Waldo Pepper;576817 Wrote: I have never seen a modern amp with signal transformers in their audio path. The original question was about a TVC - a Transformer Volume Control. Its a transformer with multiple taps and a switch used to select the appropriate tap. Some people like to use these

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Squeezebox Touch Question for Audiophiles

2010-09-15 Thread Phil Leigh
The PSU transformer for my DAC has 4 seperate secondary windings... I've just snubbed two of them (330ohm+0.02uF polyprops) Will try comparative listening later... -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal...

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Squeezebox Touch Question for Audiophiles

2010-09-15 Thread adamdea
Phil Leigh;576728 Wrote: The PSU transformer for my DAC+Buffer amp has 4 seperate secondary windings... I've just snubbed two of them (330ohm+0.02uF polyprops) Will try comparative listening later... Good idea. Mind you, an xpsu tweak is all I need. Just when I thought my audiophilia

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Squeezebox Touch Question for Audiophiles

2010-09-13 Thread adamdea
JohnSwenson;576105 Wrote: Damping the transformer takes a resistor and a capacitor in series, connected across the secondary of the transformer. Theoretically you should measure the transformer and compute the right value for that particular transformer. I did that for every transformer in

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Squeezebox Touch Question for Audiophiles

2010-09-13 Thread Waldo Pepper
Just a few observations... If you have decent kit (Linn, Naim etc) then the power cord will make no difference whatsoever as the PSU will have a decent design to reject mains born noise. Linear voltage regulators internal to the amp can remove noise on the input. A good switching power supply

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Squeezebox Touch Question for Audiophiles

2010-09-13 Thread Phil Leigh
Waldo Pepper;576189 Wrote: Just a few observations... If you have decent kit (Linn, Naim etc) then the power cord will make no difference whatsoever as the PSU will have a decent design to reject mains born noise. Linear voltage regulators internal to the amp can remove noise on the

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Squeezebox Touch Question for Audiophiles

2010-09-13 Thread Kevin Haskins
Phil Leigh;576253 Wrote: Linn gear that has ultra-high quality SMPS such as pre-amps, CD players, Tuners etc are indeed unchanged to my ears by mains leads (that I have tried). For example, Nordost Valhalla made no difference over the stock mains lead. However, Power amps do seem to be

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Squeezebox Touch Question for Audiophiles

2010-09-12 Thread JohnSwenson
adamdea;575632 Wrote: Absolutely 1 As a matter of interest how easy is it to damp the resonances in a transformer? It seems from what you say to be something we should all consider doing if possible. Would this apply to a TVC? I use a large c core tvc as my pre amp and am very intrigued. 2

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Squeezebox Touch Question for Audiophiles

2010-09-11 Thread JohnSwenson
wildgoose;575749 Wrote: Pardon my ignorance. Are we saying with a low-end power-cord, the Touch can potentially output the wrong 0s and 1s? Or are we talking about amplifiers/receivers? Are there checksums in the SPDIF signal? What happens IF some of the 1s and 0s do get flipped? For

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Squeezebox Touch Question for Audiophiles

2010-09-11 Thread Flashgordon400
Well, me asking for this not to turn into an arguement about power cords has well and truly gone out the window. But, I must say, the opinions I have just read are the best I have ever seen on the discussion of power cords. Excellent. -- Flashgordon400

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Squeezebox Touch Question for Audiophiles

2010-09-10 Thread adamdea
JohnSwenson;575586 Wrote: My take is that I HAVE been able to hear differences in power cords, and I have been able to measure something which seems to have a decent correlation to those subjective observations (transformer ringing). What I have NOT been able to do is find any decent

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Squeezebox Touch Question for Audiophiles

2010-09-10 Thread wildgoose
Pardon my ignorance. Are we saying with a low-end power-cord, the Touch can potentially output the wrong 0s and 1s? Or are we talking about amplifiers/receivers? Are there checksums in the SPDIF signal? What happens IF some of the 1s and 0s do get flipped? For video, since the signal is

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Squeezebox Touch Question for Audiophiles

2010-09-09 Thread JohnSwenson
Take a look at this article, this is what got me looking at this subject in detail: http://www.hagtech.com/pdf/snubber.pdf Let me get this straight, you do not believe that transformers have resonances? Ok so lets go over a few simple questions. What is a transformer? Its two coils of wire.

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Squeezebox Touch Question for Audiophiles

2010-09-09 Thread Goodsounds
You've fallen into the argument abyss of the engineering/analytical types vs the subjectivists. There's no common ground for discussion, it's pointless. People who calculate and analyze often cannot accept that a measurement or theoretical difference doesn't translate into a perception

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Squeezebox Touch Question for Audiophiles

2010-09-09 Thread adamdea
Goodsounds;575499 Wrote: You've fallen into the argument abyss of the engineering/analytical types vs the subjectivists. There's no common ground for discussion, it's pointless. People who calculate and analyze often cannot accept that a measurement or theoretical difference doesn't

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Squeezebox Touch Question for Audiophiles

2010-09-08 Thread konut
Hi King, and welcome to the forum! Thank you for a most enlightening first post! Can I quote you on other audio fora? -- konut konut's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1596 View this thread:

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Squeezebox Touch Question for Audiophiles

2010-09-08 Thread Phil Leigh
KingKong;575267 Wrote: Only if you want to look like a complete moron. I find it wholly ironic that your avatar claims No BS and yet you fell for a load of it. Virtually everything you've quoted is complete nonsense and has no basis in reality. If JohnSwenson has done so many measurements,

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Squeezebox Touch Question for Audiophiles

2010-09-07 Thread Dura
Great explanation John, iti s nice to read from someone who knows electronics and can measure the difference powercables can make in certain circumstances. In some cases I can hear the difference cables make in systems and the typical blunt solderhead's response that it is all just imagination

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Squeezebox Touch Question for Audiophiles

2010-09-07 Thread adamdea
I know I am treading on thin ice here, but I can't resist mentioning that I believe there have been (proper published peer reviewed) studies on acupuncture which showed that it might make a difference to the perception of pain. This was seized on by practitioners as proof of the efficacy of the

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Squeezebox Touch Question for Audiophiles

2010-09-07 Thread mlsstl
A lot of the skepticism is created by those who declare huge differences with these types of changes. I realize some get enthusiastic about such things, but for me, a huge change in sound quality is moving from a table radio or a boom box to a good system. With over 40 years in this hobby (and

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Squeezebox Touch Question for Audiophiles

2010-09-07 Thread Kal Rubinson
mlsstl;574968 Wrote: A lot of the skepticism is created by those who declare huge differences with these types of changes. I realize some get enthusiastic about such things, but for me, a huge change in sound quality is moving from a table radio or a boom box to a good system. Agreed. With

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Squeezebox Touch Question for Audiophiles

2010-09-07 Thread konut
JohnSwenson;574856 Wrote: While I agree that some of these prices are ridiculous, this argument is not a very good one. This is assuming that the only thing a power cord can affect is what is coming in from the wall into the device. Frequently this is not the case. I have done a lot of

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Squeezebox Touch Question for Audiophiles

2010-09-06 Thread Flashgordon400
To conclude the previous comments about A power cord having an effect on the Touch I had purchased an Isotek Multiway and have an Isotek Optimum pluged into my CD player, I tried the Touch power supply pluged into both on there own. Yes it was a cleaner sound. Yes I know it's not realistic having

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Squeezebox Touch Question for Audiophiles

2010-09-06 Thread andynormancx
A £300 power lead and a £300 multi way extension block (that doesn't come with a lead), there really are some geniuses out there aren't there ;) -- andynormancx Yes, it will. Yes, all of them. Yes, SoftSqueeze as well. What ? I SAID ALL OF THEM !

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Squeezebox Touch Question for Audiophiles

2010-09-06 Thread Phil Leigh
andynormancx;574834 Wrote: How exactly do you think a magically bit of mains wire can improve the sound of your system ? What about all the non magic wire in your walls and all the way back to the power generating stations ? It's magic - just accept it :-) -- Phil Leigh You want to see

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Squeezebox Touch Question for Audiophiles

2010-09-06 Thread iPhone
andynormancx;574834 Wrote: How exactly do you think a magically bit of mains wire can improve the sound of your system ? What about all the non magic wire in your walls and all the way back to the power generating stations ? +1 Exactly So you didn't read their printed material or check the

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Squeezebox Touch Question for Audiophiles

2010-09-06 Thread JohnSwenson
andynormancx;574834 Wrote: How exactly do you think a magically bit of mains wire can improve the sound of your system ? What about all the non magic wire in your walls and all the way back to the power generating stations ? While I agree that some of these prices are ridiculous, this

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Squeezebox Touch Question for Audiophiles

2010-05-20 Thread jfeldt
Hi Flash, Power cords on transports can make huge changes on the sound, and I have found on my SB3 that various power supplies change the sound even when using the digital out into a Genesis digital lens performing buffering and re-clocking. In my case, since I am buffering the digital out, I

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Squeezebox Touch Question for Audiophiles

2010-05-20 Thread Robb_G
Sorry that this may be the wrong forum, but this thread is getting at my question. I have found that a linear power supply does provide a noticeable sound improvement on my SB Duet Receiver. Unfortunately, I cannot find the correct size connector anywhere. I am not sure what size connector

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Squeezebox Touch Question for Audiophiles

2010-05-20 Thread m1abrams
Have you checked Mouser or Digikey or Farnell? -- m1abrams m1abrams's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=850 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=78938

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Squeezebox Touch Question for Audiophiles

2010-05-20 Thread jfeldt
Man, wish I could remember Robb. I got mine from the local Radio Shack after seeing specs online. Google something like squeezebox power connector size mm . I couldn't find anything too conclusive looking through those search results quickly though. I think it was around $2 for a pack of two,

[SlimDevices: Touch] Squeezebox Touch Question for Audiophiles

2010-05-18 Thread Flashgordon400
As a big believer and user of high quality power cords for the rest of my HiFi / AV system, my question is, would a descent power corded socket make any difference to a device that produces Zero's and One's as a signal. This is not an invite for a debate about power cords. Done that and got shot

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Squeezebox Touch Question for Audiophiles

2010-05-18 Thread m1abrams
must resist urge To answer your question yes assume it has the same power requirements as a CD Player. -- m1abrams m1abrams's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=850 View this thread:

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Squeezebox Touch Question for Audiophiles

2010-05-18 Thread Flashgordon400
LOL, sounds like you've been there before. Thanks for your advice. The only reason I asked is because the noise floor when the music is very quiet seems to be zero as is. I will give it a try. See if I can squeeze the last little bit of quality out of what to me is an amazing device already.

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Squeezebox Touch Question for Audiophiles

2010-05-18 Thread [IDC]Dragon
Also have to resist some urge... For no compromise, try battery supply. I don't know if there is something established to get 5V, either a linear regulator, or 4*1.2V NiMH cells will get you close. Only loosely related praise: I've measured the digital out of the SBT, and can say it's the best