Re: [TruthTalk] Old hebrew Coins found in Kentucky?

2004-03-28 Thread Dave
Kevin Deegan wrote: I don't care what you call the rock. DAVEH:  OK.  To me it seems relatively important though.  And of course the RCC folks feel the same way, though they look at it quite differently.  Jesus seemed to be trying to convey a message to Peter with his rock reference.  It

Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual Academics

2004-03-28 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 3/28/2004 9:42:13 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: John, I love romantic stories God is good, Izzy.   He apparently saved the best for the last  for both of us.   John

Re: [TruthTalk] POLYANYI

2004-03-28 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 3/28/2004 9:36:16 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well, of course we are brothers!!   We are all children of God, are we not?  I see no way to consider you as anything but a brother who worships Jesus Christ.  Your beliefs may not always coincide with mine,

[TruthTalk] false notions

2004-03-28 Thread Blaine Borrowman
 I would like to try once again to clarify my (Mormon) beliefs as to who Jesus really is.  If needed, I can verify all of these assertions by biblical scripture. He is as follows: 1)  The God of the Old Testament--Jehovah--he was the "I Am that I Am" that gave commandments to Moses, and deliv

Re: [TruthTalk] Getting to know you.

2004-03-28 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 3/28/2004 9:19:37 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Both John and Perryâs experience sound a lot like what I consider my âsalvationâ moment. Did you both consider yourselves to be âsavedâ prior to this filling experience? Izzy I have always considered myself

Re: [TruthTalk] The Trinity

2004-03-28 Thread Dave
Kevin Deegan wrote: DAVEH:  Does not the Bible suggest what God looks like when we are told Jesus is in his express image?  (He 1:3)   It seems logical to me that the Son would look similar to his Father.   For eons without end (for eternity past) Jesus did look like he Father. JN

Re: [TruthTalk] The Last Days

2004-03-28 Thread Dave
Terry Clifton wrote: DAVEH:  Do you recognize/accept the Trinity Doctrine?  To me, the word doctrine means a set of principles, something concrete to use as a measuring device.  I am not sure that I can describe the trinity and do justice.  Your idea of one in purpose is clearly i

Re: [TruthTalk] The Trinity

2004-03-28 Thread Dave
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 3/11/2004 11:29:12 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: DAVEH:  Thanx for the offer, John.  At this point in time, I don't think I am comfortable with understanding grace as you apparently must Why not? DAVEH:  Be

Re: [TruthTalk] God in our unconscious

2004-03-28 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 3/28/2004 9:02:03 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Correct me if I am wrong, but to me you seem to insist he is a standpat, gagged and hogtied god who can do nothing new. Under the new covenant of grace, He (God) does not need to be anything but steadfast a

RE: [TruthTalk] Spiritual Academics

2004-03-28 Thread ShieldsFamily
John, I love romantic stories with a happy ending. J  Had one myself after a 25 year bad deal. Fortunately I was able to put up with it until my boys were educated and married. Izzy   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]   I remarried

Re: [TruthTalk] Tough being a Christian

2004-03-28 Thread Dave
Terry Clifton wrote: tc: Dave, I welcome your thoughts.  Though  I do not share your beliefs, I admire the way you are able to discuss them without demeaning the person with whom yor are conversing.  I do not know if you are doing this based on training or in love, but you set a f

RE: [TruthTalk] POLYANYI

2004-03-28 Thread ShieldsFamily
  ROFL!!! That’s “priceless”. J Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Blaine Borrowman  Izzy, Yes, I am aware of your perceptions, have been for a long time--how could I miss it?  LOL  But you are wrong.  The big surprise was all mine

RE: [TruthTalk] astrology

2004-03-28 Thread ShieldsFamily
    From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Blaine Borrowman Izzie, Yes, Astology is definitely an occult oriented skill, or art.    Blaine—Aren’t mormons aware that the occult of of satan? Christians are forbidden to dabble in the occult. Wha

Re: [TruthTalk] POLYANYI

2004-03-28 Thread Blaine Borrowman
Blaine:  Oh yes, I must apologize for not answering your questions, John.  Thanks for the reminder.  Well, of course we are brothers!!   We are all children of God, are we not?  I see no way to consider you as anything but a brother who worships Jesus Christ.  Your beliefs may not always c

RE: [TruthTalk] Getting to know you.

2004-03-28 Thread ShieldsFamily
Both John and Perry’s experience sound a lot like what I consider my “salvation’ moment. Did you both consider yourselves to be “saved” prior to this filling experience? Izzy   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 28,

RE: [TruthTalk] God in our unconscious

2004-03-28 Thread ShieldsFamily
John,   I can understand your reasoning below. But may I have permission to insert two comments?   1) Jews can certainly remain Jews as believers in Messiah Yeshua. Jesus was and still is the Jewish Messiah. Many Jews today can and do know Jesus as Lord. We might call them “Christians”

Re: [TruthTalk] God in our unconscious

2004-03-28 Thread Blaine Borrowman
Blaine: Perry, thank you for always being willing to lower the ladder for me, that I might climb up where you presume to be.If nothing else, your heart is in the right place. We Mormons do have some doctrines that are foreign to your old system of thought, but they came from God.If you ca

RE: [TruthTalk] Getting to know you.

2004-03-28 Thread ShieldsFamily
Amen, Terry. We seek the Giver, and are grateful for whatever gifts He deems to give. J  Nobody gets them all. Izzy   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Terry Clifton Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2004 4:02 PM I wouldn't worry about the tongues thing.  Pau

RE: [TruthTalk] M Scott Peck a Christian LOL

2004-03-28 Thread ShieldsFamily
Perry,   I am so glad to hear that M. Scott Peck was of some assistance to you when you were a seeker. Yours is a perfect example of what Bill and I were trying to discuss before we were interrupted: that all Truth is of God, and therefore beneficial to those who are willing to hear it.

Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual Academics

2004-03-28 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 3/28/2004 8:00:38 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: There are too many gentle folks here, such as yourself, that I would miss otherwise. Yes, there are and, of course, I think your decision is the best.   There is much to learn from people who are willing to

Re: [TruthTalk] God in our unconscious

2004-03-28 Thread Blaine Borrowman
  - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2004 3:28 PM Subject: [TruthTalk] God in our unconscious Well Blaine: According to scripture on the last day we are going to be judged according to the Words Jesu

Re: [TruthTalk] POLYANYI

2004-03-28 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 3/28/2004 7:17:05 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Blaine Borrowman) Blaine.   Was it Lance who was saying that your Christ is different from my Christ? I believe you said that you believed in Christ so that made you a Christian and then

RE: [TruthTalk] Spiritual Academics

2004-03-28 Thread ShieldsFamily
John,   So your son will be doing his residency at Fresno? Is that U of Cal also? He sure must enjoy that adrenalin rush, with his love for the E.R. and research on a mountain. It must be the wrestling background. Sorry to hear about the divorce; the boys must have been young then. I kno

Re: [TruthTalk] Getting to know you.

2004-03-28 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 3/28/2004 7:22:12 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Marlin, I pray that the Lord will supply you with whatever your family needs to record your music if that is your desire. Marlin, my youngest son, Russ, has been into Chrsitian music, band amd all, for sever

RE: [TruthTalk] Getting to know you.

2004-03-28 Thread ShieldsFamily
  Marlin, I pray that the Lord will supply you with whatever your family needs to record your music if that is your desire.  My husband says there are recording companies that are less expensive than purchasing your own equipment, but I’m sure you know more about that than we do.  Your chi

Re: [TruthTalk] POLYANYI

2004-03-28 Thread Blaine Borrowman
 Izzy, Yes, I am aware of your perceptions, have been for a long time--how could I miss it?  LOL  But you are wrong.  The big surprise was all mine, though.  I never figured you were receiving messages from the "imitator," as you call him, just didn't think you received anything at all. (:>

Re: [TruthTalk] astrology

2004-03-28 Thread Blaine Borrowman
Izzie, Yes, Astology is definitely an occult oriented skill, or art.  It is not yet a science, but does require quite a bit of math and conceptual understanding to get much out of.  I haven't figured out what the relationship between Chinese Astrolgy and Babylonian Astrology is, but both see

Re: [TruthTalk] God in our unconscious

2004-03-28 Thread Wm. Taylor
No, Judy, I am not calling you a liar. And I am not even doubting that you did write Izzy. You are right: Izzy is offended, and I sense that she is angry. Why continue to provoke her? For I am also observing that you have kept with your offensive ways toward her, even after your claim to hav

Re: [TruthTalk] God in our unconscious

2004-03-28 Thread Knpraise
I Last I read it was the Holy Spirit who convicts of sin. An amazing display of hypocrisy.  Words coming from someone who (a) interferes  in every thread on this list and (b)  is so busy doing the Holy Spirit's work that she scarcely has time to think.  

Re: [TruthTalk] Getting to know you.

2004-03-28 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 3/28/2004 2:49:15 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Anyway, it certainly was an faith confirming and affirming experience. Amazing and your conclusions or response was very similar to mine.   It does not sound as if either of us was looking for this experie

Re: [TruthTalk] God in our unconscious

2004-03-28 Thread Charles Perry Locke
Blaine wrote: So I must be a Christian. If you still don't believe this, please tell me your reasoning--but withold your biases, as I am not interested in noisy nonsense or insulting word-offal. Blaine, Blaine, Blaine. I have been over this several times on TT. Since you worship a DIFFERENT Jes

[TruthTalk] God in our unconscious

2004-03-28 Thread Judy Taylor
Bill, shouldn't you be letting God be God in the lives of people? Last I read it was the Holy Spirit who convicts of sin.   From: "Wm. Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> When do unrepentant sinners ever request counseling? They would be unrepentant sinners if they were seeking counsel. From: Ju

Re: [TruthTalk] God in our unconscious

2004-03-28 Thread Wm. Taylor
When do unrepentant sinners ever request counseling? They would be unrepentant sinners if they were seeking counsel. - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2004 3:19 PM Subject: [TruthTalk] God in our unconscious

Re: [TruthTalk] M Scott Peck a Christian LOL

2004-03-28 Thread Wm. Taylor
Good stuff, Perry. I'm sure the accuser/s will answer your questions. - Original Message - From: "Charles Perry Locke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2004 2:28 PM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] M Scott Peck a Christian LOL > TT'rs, > >Could it be possi

Re: [TruthTalk] Getting to know you.

2004-03-28 Thread Charles Perry Locke
John, I share a similar experience, but never considered it "filling". I was away on business and attended an Episopal church next to the building I was doing work in. The service was quite impressive, with the processional and all, but during the singing of several hymns the tears were just

[TruthTalk] God in our unconscious

2004-03-28 Thread Judy Taylor
Bill, I percieve that you are another one who does not listen. You have judged me already as offensive, proud, and stubborn, causing hurt to an innocent party. I have already written to Izzy with no response so have done all that I can do. Are you calling me a liar on top of your other adject

Re: [TruthTalk] Party Crashing

2004-03-28 Thread Wm. Taylor
This one must be bothering you. I can see why.   Bill - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2004 2:29 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Party Crashing Bill Taylor I want to praise you both for helping me with my

Re: [TruthTalk] God in our unconscious

2004-03-28 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 3/28/2004 2:33:43 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Take the words of your brothers and sister here on TT and recognize the error of your ways. Yes and amen Thanks Bill, John

Re: [TruthTalk] God in our unconscious

2004-03-28 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 3/28/2004 2:17:45 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: tell me your reasoning i don't know if my bias and my reasoning can be separaed but, as I used to say in book sales, "here goes nothing."   I believe the biblical message teaches clearly that you, Blaine, ar

Re: [TruthTalk] God in our unconscious

2004-03-28 Thread Wm. Taylor
John writes  >  I  don't mind the discussion with you, but Izzy does.  the scriptures teach that we are not to "seek our own." Love does not seek its own way or will. Izzy does have a delete button. And you have instruction from God on how to show respect to others. Why not practice what yo

[TruthTalk] God in our unconscious

2004-03-28 Thread Judy Taylor
Well Blaine: According to scripture on the last day we are going to be judged according to the Words Jesus spoke.  These are not the same Words your BofM teaches So how will you get around that?  Jesus said the gate is strait and the way is narrow and only a few are going to find it. I know

[TruthTalk] God in our unconscious

2004-03-28 Thread Judy Taylor
Kevin isn't the one who dragged this out of the woodpile - it was one of 'in your words' your paranoid friends Bill trying to counsel where counselling had not been requested.  jt   From: "Wm. Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Kevin, maybe sometimes its better to stay out of other people's busine

Re: [TruthTalk] God in our unconscious

2004-03-28 Thread Blaine Borrowman
Blaine:  I keep wondering, when people say I am not a Christian because I am a Mormon, if they even know what they are saying.  It seems to me they haven't really thought anything through, they are just parroting what they have heard someone say.   Am I a Muslim?  Nope, I do not worship Mo

Re: [TruthTalk] Getting to know you.

2004-03-28 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 3/28/2004 2:02:19 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: wouldn't worry about the tongues thing.  Paul said it was the least important of all the gifts.   Absolutely.   For me, Terry, for years --  almost 40 -- I could not raise my hands in worship.   And when

Re: [TruthTalk] Party Crashing

2004-03-28 Thread Wm. Taylor
Thanks again, Kevin. I really want to praise you. You've helped me more in this area than any of my wonderfully Christian professors.   Thanks again.     Bill - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2004 2:08 PM Subj

Re: [TruthTalk] God in our unconscious

2004-03-28 Thread Wm. Taylor
Kevin, maybe sometimes its better to stay out of other people's business, especially if all you are doing in it is making matters worse. Even the paranoid (like me, and John, and Izzy, and DaveH, and Blaine, and Lance, and DavidM, and whoever else you don't like) can have some true enemies.

[TruthTalk] Some questions

2004-03-28 Thread Judy Taylor
From: "Wm. Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Judy says  >  "everyone wasn't pleased with Jesus; he made people angry ..."   Yes, yes, and so do you. I guess that makes you Christlike. Bill Taylor   jt:  Sigh! Whatever Bill   PS. Sometimes Blaine and DaveH and I make people angry too. What does th

Re: [TruthTalk] Getting to know you.

2004-03-28 Thread Terry Clifton
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 3/28/2004 7:04:26 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hey John: Having been in the same predicament in my early years, I think the term "target" is a vivid and accurate description of your experience.  Could you perh

[TruthTalk] God in our unconscious

2004-03-28 Thread Judy Taylor
Right on. You know Kevin I can understand receiving a lot of flack out on the street preaching to unbelievers, in SLC, or in my case with my unbelieving family and other unbelievers.  What I find tragic  on TT is that on a list like this where most people claim to be serving the Lord

Re: [TruthTalk] Some questions

2004-03-28 Thread Wm. Taylor
Judy says  >  "everyone wasn't pleased with Jesus; he made people angry ..."   Yes, yes, and so do you. I guess that makes you Christlike.   Bill Taylor   PS. Sometimes Blaine and DaveH and I make people angry too. What does that make us?   - Original Message - From: Judy

Re: [TruthTalk] God in our unconscious

2004-03-28 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 3/28/2004 1:43:20 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Amos 5:10 They hate him that rebuketh in the gate, and they abhor him that speaketh uprightly. Or maybe Proverbs 12:1 applies:   Whoever loves discipline loves knowledge.  But he who hates reproof is stupid

Re: [TruthTalk] Some Questions about Getting to know you.

2004-03-28 Thread Wm. Taylor
jt > This idea may be the basis for Churches like Saddleback in CA who go out of their way to create an environment which makes the unbeliever feel good but is founded upon the principles of mass marketing rather than God's Word. I have to say that the Church I was raised in, although spir

Re: [TruthTalk] Some questions

2004-03-28 Thread Wm. Taylor
Amen, Lance. - Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2004 9:58 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Some questions Christianity is indeed offensive to the natural human mind;and yet it is often made offensive by its re

Re: [TruthTalk] God in our unconscious

2004-03-28 Thread Kevin Deegan
Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.   Judy you have been Rebuked for communicating. Please do not communicate a rebuke to John this is a one way street. Is it not a little hypocriti

Re: [TruthTalk] M Scott Peck a Christian LOL

2004-03-28 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 3/28/2004 1:29:16 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Could it be possible that Scott Peck and his writings have a purpose in the world outside of bringing people to Christ? Yes and a great point.   Ad hank God for your relationship and conversion.   John Sm

RE: [TruthTalk] M Scott Peck a Christian LOL

2004-03-28 Thread Kevin Deegan
Well if God can use a Donkey or a devil possesed preacher like Judas. I guess he could use a demon possesed author. ( of course as Scott says it was a good evil spirit!)Charles Perry Locke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: TT'rs,Could it be possible that Scott Peck and his writings have a purpose in the w

Re: [TruthTalk] Party Crashing

2004-03-28 Thread Kevin Deegan
Bill Taylor I want to praise you both for helping me with my understanding of how to distinguish between men and men, and which it is with whom to contend. Thank you. I'm more sure than ever that I serve the real Jesus. I am glad to be of service, & am glad you have figured it out, stick with the B

[TruthTalk] Prayer request.

2004-03-28 Thread Judy Taylor
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]  [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: jt: When Jesus spoke of unity and when Paul wrote of reconciliation they were both speaking of unifying around truth and the only way we are reconciled to God is to agree with Him by first accepting and then walking in His Truth.    john:

RE: [TruthTalk] M Scott Peck a Christian LOL

2004-03-28 Thread Charles Perry Locke
TT'rs, Could it be possible that Scott Peck and his writings have a purpose in the world outside of bringing people to Christ? In the early 80's I was reading Peck's "The Road Less Traveled". It was instrumental in my growth as an individual, and helped to place me on a path of peace, tole

Re: [TruthTalk] Getting to know you.

2004-03-28 Thread Wm. Taylor
Terry says > I would rather die than spend years sitting in a classroom, but if that is their thing, good for them.  Some of them would probably rather work with their brain than with their hands, but I need to do something physical to feel as though I am actually working.   Thanks, Terry. I

Re: [TruthTalk] Prayer request.

2004-03-28 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 3/28/2004 1:11:07 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Growth at the expense of Truth is not real growth it is simply more Error! No kidding.

Re: [TruthTalk] God in our unconscious

2004-03-28 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 3/28/2004 12:48:08 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Why do you communicate with Izzy?  Do you actually think you are accomplishing some good addressing your thoughts to someone who is not listening to you?   I  don't mind the discussion with you, but Izzy doe

[TruthTalk] Walking after the Spirit

2004-03-28 Thread Judy Taylor
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]  [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: judyt writes:    john: Actually, judyt, I am pretty much done with this discussion.     jt: I'm not surprised, I don't think you have understood the first thing I've said if I can evaluate by your responses that is.   john: Your God is the

[TruthTalk] God in our unconscious

2004-03-28 Thread Judy Taylor
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This is a public list and you are choosing to be here john: Why do you communicate with Izzy?     jt: Why do you want to keep stirring this John?   Do you actually think you are accomplishing some good addressing your thoughts to someone who

Re: [TruthTalk] Getting to know you.

2004-03-28 Thread Kevin Deegan
Did you guys ever think that just maybe you have over reacted to the spiritual abuse you recieved in the past at the hands of a cult?   Have you shed yourself of all the wrong teachings and bad feelings?   Prov 16:6 By mercy and truth iniquity is purged: and by the fear of the LORD men depart from

Re: [TruthTalk] Prayer request.

2004-03-28 Thread Kevin Deegan
Growth at the expense of Truth is not real growth it is simply more Error![EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 3/28/2004 4:31:24 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: jt: When Jesus spoke of unity and when Paul wrote of reconciliation they were both speaking of unifying around

Re: [TruthTalk] Party Crashing

2004-03-28 Thread Kevin Deegan
It is about time that you are sure. If you had a sure foundation maybe you would not be slip sliding. "Wm. Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Kevin says  >  I hear a lot of praise for men around TT, Paloney, Peck. At least one of which professes of a spirit possesion. Prov 28:4 They that fors

Re: [TruthTalk] Getting to know you.

2004-03-28 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 3/28/2004 7:04:26 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hey John: Having been in the same predicament in my early years, I think the term "target" is a vivid and accurate description of your experience.  Could you perhaps define this filling that you experienced a

Re: [TruthTalk] Party Crashing

2004-03-28 Thread Wm. Taylor
Kevin says  >  I hear a lot of praise for men around TT, Paloney, Peck. At least one of which professes of a spirit possesion. Prov 28:4 They that forsake the law praise the wicked: but such as keep the law contend with them. And Judy praises Kevin and calls him a blessing, and then shares

Re: [TruthTalk] Getting to know you.

2004-03-28 Thread Terry Clifton
ShieldsFamily wrote: Terry,     Okay, I’ll play.  Although I don’t think it is “easy” to describe what I find awesome about the Lord.  Perhaps it is His absolute tenderness, that He would care to save a piece of “trailer trash”-- a little girl who had no tendern

Re: [TruthTalk] God in our unconscious

2004-03-28 Thread Kevin Deegan
Well I guess Jesus should rewrite Mark 16   Todays 21 first century version: Go ye into all the world and preach the gospel to those that want to hear it[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 3/28/2004 2:48:56 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This is a public list and you a

Re: [TruthTalk] Prayer request.

2004-03-28 Thread Wm. Taylor
Judy writes >  "If you love me you will do what I say" that's [Jesus'] definition of love.   Maybe.   Or maybe its a consequence of loving him, and out-working of love itself. Maybe we should look a little deeper for our "definition."   Bill Taylor - Original Message - F

Re: [TruthTalk] Prayer request.

2004-03-28 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 3/28/2004 4:31:24 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: jt: When Jesus spoke of unity and when Paul wrote of reconciliation they were both speaking of unifying around truth and the only way we are reconciled to God is to agree with Him by first accepting and then

Re: [TruthTalk] Walking after the Spirit

2004-03-28 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 3/28/2004 3:38:50 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: judyt writes:    Actually, judyt, I am pretty much done with this discussion.  Your God is the same God as that of all works-salvationist.  You have no offer of hope to those who continue to have sin proble

Re: [TruthTalk] "free speech zones"

2004-03-28 Thread Kevin Deegan
LDS want the right to preach on your PRIVATE PROPERTY, and have agued the same in federal court. Apparently they beleive others speech must be contained & or silenced even on public sidewalks!   Preachers rebuff LDS buffer zones By Brady SnyderDeseret Morning News       Despite Salt Lake City's e

Re: [TruthTalk] Walking after the Spirit

2004-03-28 Thread Wm. Taylor
Terry set out a challenge for us to take into our considerations over the next week. It was a good challenge; the kind that is already bearing fruit as we read of God's splendor in people's lives. I will be taking his challenge with me this week.   I read this discussion between jt and js (s

Re: [TruthTalk] Getting to know you.

2004-03-28 Thread Terry Clifton
Marlin Halverson wrote: Who's next? Terry My family just spent the evening with other brethren singing praises to God.    As far as mind games and endless argumentation, it never ends.  I can easily get involved and say something if I feel led to do so.  I love to enjoy

Re: [TruthTalk] God in our unconscious

2004-03-28 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 3/28/2004 2:48:56 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This is a public list and you are choosing to be here Why do you communicate with Izzy?  Do you actually think you are accomplishing some good addressing your thoughts to someone who is not listening to you?

Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual Academics

2004-03-28 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 3/27/2004 11:55:52 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: John, Is he doing a residency in trauma care? How many years? I canât imagine what he is enduring to do his research right now. Are you able to keep in touch with him there? Izzy My son is James Smithson.

Re: [TruthTalk] Some Questions about Getting to know you.

2004-03-28 Thread Terry Clifton
Judy Taylor wrote: From: Terry Clifton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> God did not make the body of Christ to be all fingers or toes or eyeballs.  The body needs some of each to be complete.  We need one another.  With that in mind, it seems inappropriate to me to tell a brother or sis

[TruthTalk] Courtesy of Lamar

2004-03-28 Thread Dave
After the christening of his baby brother in church, Jason sobbed all the way home in the back seat of the car. His father asked him three times what was wrong. Finally, the boy replied, "That preacher said he wanted us brought up in a Christian home, and I wanted to stay with you guys." --

[TruthTalk] Re:Truth/Christianity/Jesus

2004-03-28 Thread Lance Muir
Embodied vs disembodied - a Person - Jesus. Amen to your appropriate distinction.Does this guy (Lance) have a life? Ya. I'm doin' stuff in between.Lance - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: March 28, 2004 12:14 Subject: [TruthTalk] S

Re: [TruthTalk] Getting to know you.

2004-03-28 Thread Marlin Halverson
Very kind thoughts, Izzy.  If we were closer neighbors, that would be nice, but, outside of our marketing area it is not economically sound  because of the transportation costs.  A neighbor closed down his business, which was an offshoot of the one that preceded ours.  Thus we now service mo

[TruthTalk] Some questions

2004-03-28 Thread Judy Taylor
From: "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Christianity is indeed offensive to the natural human mind;   jt: How did the "truth" get changed to "Christianity" Lance? At times the two are incompatible..   and yet it is often made offensive by its representatives for the wrong reasons.   jt: Bee

Re: [TruthTalk] Some questions

2004-03-28 Thread Lance Muir
Christianity is indeed offensive to the natural human mind;and yet it is often made offensive by its representatives for the wrong reasons. I've been rebuffed occasionally while "speaking the truth" and, in hindsight deserved it! God grant us the discernment to recognize the distinction betw

[TruthTalk] Some Questions about Getting to know you.

2004-03-28 Thread Judy Taylor
From: Terry Clifton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> God did not make the body of Christ to be all fingers or toes or eyeballs.  The body needs some of each to be complete.  We need one another.  With that in mind, it seems inappropriate to me to tell a brother or sister not to speak (write) to us aga

Re: [TruthTalk] Getting to know you.

2004-03-28 Thread Terry Clifton
Judy Taylor wrote: Good idea Terry on a difficult medium.  Dean says he is not good expressing himself here and feel's more comfortable with IM and personal speaking. Some are better at expressing their feelings than others.  Not sure where I stand in all this. I am learning to

Re: [TruthTalk] Getting to know you.

2004-03-28 Thread Terry Clifton
Judy Taylor wrote:   I was born and raised in Melbourne Australia; both ggrandfathers on my fathers side came to the colony to spread the gospel, (they were Primitive Methodist ministers). However within two generations the truth had been lost and today my family in Australia

Re: [TruthTalk] Getting to know you.

2004-03-28 Thread Terry Clifton
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 3/27/2004 5:32:02 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: concentrate for the same length of time on revealing ourselves to others in an effort to get to know one another more intimately, like brothers and sisters are suppose

[TruthTalk] Getting to know you.

2004-03-28 Thread Judy Taylor
Good idea Terry on a difficult medium.  Dean says he is not good expressing himself here and feel's more comfortable with IM and personal speaking. Some are better at expressing their feelings than others.  Not sure where I stand in all this. I am learning to love more perfectly and am aware

[TruthTalk] Re:Clarification

2004-03-28 Thread Judy Taylor
  From: "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> No Judy, I don't mean the acceptance of some scripture. I mean that even our reading and teaching of scripture is to some extent colored or influenced by the tradition in which we find ourselves at any given time.   Some Baptists have a clearly sta

[TruthTalk] M Scott Peck a Christian LOL

2004-03-28 Thread Judy Taylor
Now how could anyone in their right mind take what this man writes seriously?  He is obviously confused and most definitely does not know the Lord.   Claims to have been a Christian for 13yrs - with a nun as spiritual adviser? Says he was accosted by an evil spirit but identifies it as a "

[TruthTalk] Re:Clarification

2004-03-28 Thread Lance Muir
No Judy, I don't mean the acceptance of some scripture. I mean that even our reading and teaching of scripture is to some extent colored or influenced by the tradition in which we find ourselves at any given time. Some Baptists have a clearly stated position on the role of women in the home

[TruthTalk] Re:Traditions of Men MAY include Scripture

2004-03-28 Thread Judy Taylor
From: "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Each evangelical tradition also has it's own "use" of Scripture (Protestant, Catholic, Orthodox). One example of this would be a particular reading of Mt24 & 1Thess4 leading to a teaching on what some call the "Rapture".    jt: The teaching of the Ra

[TruthTalk] Re:Traditions of Men MAY include Scripture

2004-03-28 Thread Lance Muir
Each evangelical tradition also has it's own "use" of Scripture (Protestant, Catholic, Orthodox). One example of this would be a particular reading of Mt24 & 1Thess4 leading to a teaching on what some call the "Rapture". So Judy, I'd offer an AMEN to the intent of your quotation with the pro

Re: [TruthTalk] Getting to know you.

2004-03-28 Thread Terry Clifton
David Miller wrote: Terry wrote: I picture the more educated among us as standing around in a gown and miter board with an armload of books, maybe some horn rimmed glasses thrown in. Uh, what's a miter board? Maybe it should be mortar board? One of those funny looki

[TruthTalk] Party Crashing

2004-03-28 Thread Judy Taylor
Thank you Kevin, Your service to God and zeal for His truth is such a blessing.  I found this quote yesterday and think it may be needed here. "It has escaped the understanding of many Christians that what they believe is more often shaped by the teachings and traditions of religious men th

Re: [TruthTalk] Party Crashing

2004-03-28 Thread Kevin Deegan
I hear a lot of praise for men around TT, Paloney, Peck. At least one of which professes of a spirit possesion. Prov 28:4 They that forsake the law praise the wicked: but such as keep the law contend with them. We are told to earnestly contend. Jude 1 Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write un

[TruthTalk] Prayer request.

2004-03-28 Thread Judy Taylor
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 3/27/2004 10:37:30 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Blaine:  I think TT is neither of the devil nor of God.  It is nothing more nor less than the summation of its parts--individuals all coming from different backgrounds and seeki

[TruthTalk] Party Crashing

2004-03-28 Thread Judy Taylor
I like you and DaveH too Blaine even though I don't agree with the structure you both serve   Let me address the issue of contention for a moment. I'm sure you will agree that we are at different ends of the spectrum spiritually which in reality is opposite sides. There is a spirit of truth

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