Re: [TruthTalk] 613 Commands

2004-11-16 Thread Dave Hansen
David Miller wrote: Aw, Lance. I liked the exchange. DAVEH::-D It does seem that way, DavidM. Today I received well over a hundred TT posts. Interestingly, a TTer who once suggested we limit our daily posts to 8, made nearly a quarter (28) of them today! ;-) Peace be with you. D

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants

2004-11-16 Thread ttxpress
why aren't you followg your advice to Jeff (Tue, 16 Nov 2004 22:11:46 -0500)?   On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 22:49:08 -0500 Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: jt: What do you mean the translation is faulty Gary? ||

RE: [TruthTalk] Gender differences

2004-11-16 Thread ShieldsFamily
It’s not a book for Girlie Men. My husband has a copy that he hasn’t had a chance to read yet. It was highly recommended by a friend of his. (But he’s such a wild man already.) J Izzy   -Original Message- Maybe Lance can help us out here with a book he may have read called "Wild

[TruthTalk] Gender differences

2004-11-16 Thread Judy Taylor
ï   From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Judy wrote:Being 'easily offended" happens to both men and women David and has nothing to do with feminized conversationsand emasculated men. Do love and good manners have to be genderized?  From whence are the roots of sucha concept as this?   If yo

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants

2004-11-16 Thread Judy Taylor
    jt: What do you mean the translation is faulty Gary? It's the majority text.. Do you just find a translation to suit what it is you want to believe?   On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 20:25:58 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: myth (the translation is faulty)   On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 22:11:46 -050

Re: [TruthTalk] 613 Commands

2004-11-16 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 11/16/2004 4:00:10 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Jeff in Red: - Original Message - From: Jeff Powers To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 5:19 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] 613 Commands John, start with Acts 15. Realizing that

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants

2004-11-16 Thread ttxpress
myth (the translation is faulty)   On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 22:11:46 -0500 Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> asserts: "These women are two covenants..

Re: [TruthTalk] Self-deception

2004-11-16 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 11/16/2004 2:10:26 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: There are plenty of folks on this list and elsewhere in this world who hate me greatly. There is NO ONE on this list who hates you  --  not one.   Repent. John

Re: [TruthTalk] Self-deception

2004-11-16 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 11/16/2004 1:01:11 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Come to think of it, Jesus was not an author.  :-) Actyally, He is the author of the book of Revelation, is He not? JD

Re: [TruthTalk] Can God's covenants be broken?

2004-11-16 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 11/16/2004 1:32:06 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> In a word: Yes! Izzy   jt: I'll second that; I gave up trying to figure out what Lance was about a long time ago because it doesn't seem to be important to him to m

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants

2004-11-16 Thread Judy Taylor
    On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 21:04:27 -0500 "Jeff Powers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Mr.G?   jt: Wrong one to consult Jeff you'd be much better off reading your Bible :) "These women are two covenants; one from Mount Sinai, bearing children unto bondage, which is Hagar. Now this Hagar answereth t

Re: [TruthTalk] 613 Commands

2004-11-16 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 11/16/2004 12:47:08 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 21:48:19 EST [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In a message dated 11/15/2004 5:28:41 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The indicatives of Grace always preceed the imperatives

Re: [TruthTalk] Swimming with Noah

2004-11-16 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 11/16/2004 12:27:15 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I am going through the same frustration with my little boy. Suzy Me too  --  only he is 29 !!! Father Smithson

Re: [TruthTalk] Self-deception

2004-11-16 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 11/16/2004 10:40:45 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: "Such a viewpoint is anathema. >It denies the gospel.  It denies the righteousness of Christ," verses  --  "As for Lance, however, you AGAIN clearly misread what I wrote because I do not consider Lance to

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants

2004-11-16 Thread ttxpress
the Ap. Paul sanctioned one covenant in this context, a reality for which DavidM has no apparent feeling, hence his use of the word 'are', below   the concept the Ap Paul presents in Gal is that 'these women represent two covenants, one which is valid now, relative to JC, one which is not';

Re: [TruthTalk] 613 Commands

2004-11-16 Thread Knpraise
I Jonathan wrote: Creation --> The Fall --> Law --> Failure to uphold the law --> Grace enters in Jesus Christ So     Creation and grace occur almost  simaltaneously (from man's point of view0   -   man is created with a view to maturity (thus the illusion of "fallen" nature) in Christ i

Re: [TruthTalk] Love and Hate

2004-11-16 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 11/16/2004 9:33:27 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: John Smithson wrote: >Additionally, a comparison of Ps 7 complete with >the arrogance of the self-righteous in stark contrast >to the wording of one who is suddenly and completely >humbled by the fact of sin

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants

2004-11-16 Thread Jeff Powers
Mr.G? - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 20:33 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants myth (the ff. concept is not true)   On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 20:15:46 -0500 "David Miller" <[EMAI

Re: [TruthTalk]139 - 175 of 613 Commands

2004-11-16 Thread Terry Clifton
Jeff Powers wrote: Suzy, it looks as though the light may have gotten a little brighter! Terry, So you don't reject these, just reduce them to 2? Jeff Something you need to understand guys. Terry is a nobody. What I accept or reject means squat.

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants

2004-11-16 Thread Jeff Powers
David, I see one covenant. God's covenant with man, begun with Abraham, amended with Moses, Again amended with David. Jeremiah prophesied a renewal, as did Isaiah, etc. That renewal was accomplished through Yeshua. The "New Covenant" is not new, it is Renewed. Sorry David, but Cut and Paste Th

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants

2004-11-16 Thread ttxpress
myth (the ff. concept is not true)   On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 20:15:46 -0500 "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:|| >Sha'ul specifically says, "these women are two covenants." 

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants

2004-11-16 Thread David Miller
Jeff, I also neglected to say in my last post that Terry also has pointed out that besides the issue of circumcision, there is the issue of being born of Abraham in order to be part of that covenant. For reference, pay attention to verse 13 below: Genesis 17:10-14 (10) This is my covenant, whi

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants

2004-11-16 Thread David Miller
Jeff wrote: When looked at properely one can (should?) easily see that the issue Sha'ul is addressing is CIRCUMCISION! What did the Jerusalem Council determine? What we have here is the same legalistic Judaisers causing trouble, and Sha'ul saying that legalistic observance is worthless. You are a

Re: [TruthTalk] Heavy Yoke Light Yoke

2004-11-16 Thread David Miller
Slade wrote: Please tell me where Scripture says the Law of Moses is a hard yoke? Now... before you get your panties all in a knot, please remember that there is a heavy yoke in Scripture: Legalism (the belief that Law -- if followed -- will grant Eternal Life). Aside form THAT yoke, show me one...

Re: [TruthTalk] 613 Commands

2004-11-16 Thread David Miller
Slade wrote: You have successfully failed to answer any of my questions. Slade, if I could interject here... In the past, Judy has failed to hear you answer her questions. In this case, I think I am beginning to see how you are not hearing her. Let me try and explain what I understand of Judy's

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants

2004-11-16 Thread Jeff Powers
In reply to David's question, CONTEXT, CONTEXT, CONTEXT.  What is the context of Sha'ul's letter to Galatians? When looked at properely one can (should?) easily see that the issue Sha'ul is addressing is CIRCUMCISION!  What did the Jerusalem Council determine? What we have here is the same l

RE: [TruthTalk] Can God's covenants be broken?

2004-11-16 Thread Slade Henson
I agree with you, Lance. I think the term is Covenantal Nomism. -- slade -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Tuesday, 16 November, 2004 13.13 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Can God's covenants be broken? I would

RE: [TruthTalk] 119 - 138 of 613 Commands

2004-11-16 Thread Slade Henson
Beautiful example of Grace. Even in the times before Yeshua's death, the Levites did not authorize the stoning of a person when they were repentant. After all, a Sanhedrin who authorized the capitol punishment of a single person on 75 years was called a bloody Sanhedrin. God didn't have David

[TruthTalk] Gender differences

2004-11-16 Thread David Miller
Judy wrote: Being 'easily offended" happens to both men and women David and has nothing to do with feminized conversations and emasculated men. Do love and good manners have to be genderized? From whence are the roots of such a concept as this? If you were a man, you might understand this better.

[TruthTalk] Heavy Yoke Light Yoke

2004-11-16 Thread Slade Henson
Please tell me where Scripture says the Law of Moses is a hard yoke? Now... before you get your panties all in a knot, please remember that there is a heavy yoke in Scripture: Legalism (the belief that Law -- if followed -- will grant Eternal Life). Aside form THAT yoke, show me one... -- slade

RE: [TruthTalk] 613 Commands

2004-11-16 Thread Slade Henson
You have successfully failed to answer any of my questions.   #1 -- I asked HOW or WHAT ARE WE TO DO? Is this a moot question? Do you believe in nonaction? short accounts -- asking forgiveness? In your faith, how do we REPENT? We're to walk in the light? How? By carrying torches or flashligh

[TruthTalk] Two Covenants

2004-11-16 Thread David Miller
Judy wrote: There are two covenants Suzy, which are spoken of by the apostle Paul ie: "It is written that Abraham had two sons, one by the bondmaid, and one by the freewoman. Howbeit, the one by the bondmaid is born after the flesh; but the son by the freewoman is born through promise. Which things

Re: [TruthTalk] 613 Commands

2004-11-16 Thread Jeff Powers
Jeff in Red: - Original Message - From: Jeff Powers To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 5:19 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] 613 Commands John, start with Acts 15. Realizing that Gentiles coming into the faith presented a problem for fello

Re: [TruthTalk] Self-deception

2004-11-16 Thread ttxpress
ï     ?   On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 17:01:47 -0500 "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:|| >These conversations should never be taken personally. ||

Re: [TruthTalk] Love and Hate

2004-11-16 Thread ttxpress
then righteousness is a behavioral ideal   On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 15:14:23 -0600 "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:  [One] can choose to be a slave to righteousness instead of a slave to sin.

Re: [TruthTalk] Love and Hate

2004-11-16 Thread ttxpress
myth (the ff. concept is not true)   On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 14:13:03 -0500 "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:|| >Romans 7 simply [describes] .. a person who has >not yet been set free through Jesus Christ. ||

Re: [TruthTalk] Love and Hate

2004-11-16 Thread ttxpress
myth   On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 13:56:05 -0500 "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:|| Psalm 40 ..speaks about the sins of Jesus Christ being more than the hairs of his head. ||

[TruthTalk] Self-deception

2004-11-16 Thread Judy Taylor
ï From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>It seems to me that conversations have been feminized for decades now and many men simply do not realize it.  They have been emasculated and do not know how to stand up for themselves and say what they believe.  We have spent way too much time talking

[TruthTalk] 613 Commands

2004-11-16 Thread Judy Taylor
From: Susan Petersen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>I am sorry, Judy, but I find your defenses very confusing. First you say there is a new covenant thatwe follow which gets rid of the old (this is my way of saying it). Now you are saying that technically thereisn't a new commandment. Which one is it?

Re: [TruthTalk] 613 Commands

2004-11-16 Thread Jeff Powers
Gee Suzy, I have been down this road before on here! Try asking for an explanation of Acts 15:21! You'll either laugh, cry, or want to throw your 'puter out the window!! But then I love being abused (it helps to have skin like a rhino here!) Jeff - Original Message - From: "Susan Pete

Re: [TruthTalk] 613 Commands

2004-11-16 Thread Jeff Powers
Suzy, You have to keep in mind the confusion created when one choses to believe the replacement theory of theology. There I go again with mistakes, I meant replacement theology! We have to deal with some of them here!! Almost as cornfusing as the Two house theory! But ya just gotta love the c

Re: [TruthTalk] 613 Commands

2004-11-16 Thread Jeff Powers
OK Izzy, I get the point! No excuse, I got momentarily stupid. Thanks for the spanking.   Now back to the bickering, errr, I mean debate! Jeff - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 15, 2004 20:48 Subject: RE: [Truth

Re: [TruthTalk]139 - 175 of 613 Commands

2004-11-16 Thread Jeff Powers
Suzy, it looks as though the light may have gotten a little brighter! Terry, So you don't reject these, just reduce them to 2? Jeff - Original Message - From: "Susan Petersen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 14:28 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk]139 - 1

Re: [TruthTalk] Self-deception

2004-11-16 Thread David Miller
Jonathan wrote: I believe that there is a relational aspect that needs to be forged prior to the logical being effective. It is this relational aspect that you lack with John and Lance. If they do not feel that you are giving credence to their thoughts or 'listening' it becomes a tit for tat, back

[TruthTalk] Can God's covenants be broken?

2004-11-16 Thread Judy Taylor
    From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>In a word: Yes! Izzy   jt: I'll second that; I gave up trying to figure out what Lance was about a long time ago because it doesn't seem to be important to him to make himself understood. Does anybody else have trouble understanding Lance's view

RE: [TruthTalk] Swimming with Noah

2004-11-16 Thread ShieldsFamily
ROFL! The practical dreams often eclipse the glorious ones. Izzy   PS Jonathan, It isn't hard to get published.  Just email it to someone who publishes things that are similar to what you wrote. (Read their writer's guidelines first.) Go for it.   -Original Message- From: [EMA

RE: [TruthTalk] Self-deception

2004-11-16 Thread ShieldsFamily
Today I have learned a new concept on TT: "scripture bombs".  Izzy   -Original Message- A number of scripture bombs are placed usually at the end of the email to enforce that it is not just your opinion, but God's.    Jonathan    

RE: [TruthTalk] Love and Hate

2004-11-16 Thread ShieldsFamily
G, if this is a description of yourself, it is your choice. You can choose to walk in the Spirit instead of the Flesh. You can choose to be a slave to righteousness in stead of a slave to sin. (That’s why Jesus came. That’s the “Good News”!) Izzy   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:

RE: [TruthTalk] Can God's covenants be broken?

2004-11-16 Thread ShieldsFamily
In a word: Yes! Izzy -Original Message- Does anybody else have trouble understanding Lance's view here? Peace be with you. David Miller. -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) ht

Re: [TruthTalk] 119 - 138 of 613 Commands

2004-11-16 Thread Judy Taylor
    On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 09:56:42 -0500 "Slade Henson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Those are the ones dealing with the woman who has allegedly committed adultery. She's brought before the priest and has to drink the bitter waters. K.   jt: Apparently this is also obsolete because

RE: [TruthTalk] Can God's covenants be broken?

2004-11-16 Thread ShieldsFamily
Here, Lance. Does this revive your memory? Izzy   -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 12:13 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Can God's covenants be broken?   I would 'sugge

[TruthTalk] 139 -175 of 613 Commands

2004-11-16 Thread Judy Taylor
  Question: Are these all done away with since we're in the New  Kay   jt: Yes - 1) Fornicators with anyone at all don't inherit the Kingdom 2) Eunuch's for anything other than medical reasons are i

Re: [TruthTalk] Self-deception

2004-11-16 Thread David Miller
Lance wrote: David, seriously, please identify 15-20 authors who've influenced you. It would be an aid. Plleese? I suspect the following isn't what you want, but Moses Job David Solomon Isaiah Jeremiah Ezekiel Daniel Hosea Joel Amos Obadiah Micah Nahum Habakkuk

Re: [TruthTalk] 613 Commands

2004-11-16 Thread Judy Taylor
    On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 21:48:19 EST [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In a message dated 11/15/2004 5:28:41 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:The indicatives of Grace always preceed the imperatives of Law. Take a lookat the paragraph just prior to the decalogue in Exodus.

Re: [TruthTalk] 613 Commands

2004-11-16 Thread Judy Taylor
    On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 05:46:28 -0500 "Slade Henson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Sorry. What is clear to one is not clear to another. I see ONE HOUSE and ONE servant (Moses) and ONE Son (Yeshua). God is the builder of the ONE house.   jt: Have you read Hebrews 3:4, Hebrews 3:5

RE: [TruthTalk] Swimming with Noah

2004-11-16 Thread Susan Petersen
I am going through the same frustration with my little boy. Suzy --- Hughes Jonathan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi David, > > Thank you for the compliment. I wrote this piece > this morning while the > event was still fresh in my mind. A dream of mine > is to be published. > > Now if I cou

RE: [TruthTalk] Swimming with Noah

2004-11-16 Thread Hughes Jonathan
Hi David, Thank you for the compliment. I wrote this piece this morning while the event was still fresh in my mind. A dream of mine is to be published. Now if I could just get him toilet-trained! Jonathan Hughes -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On

Re: [TruthTalk] 613 Commands

2004-11-16 Thread Susan Petersen
My husband has a theory on the shadow of things to come. He says that in order for there to be a shadow there has to be a real object or person casting that shadow. Jesus is the real person casting the shadow. If we take away the shadow then we take away Jesus who is casting that shadow. Suzy ---

RE: [TruthTalk] Self-deception

2004-11-16 Thread Hughes Jonathan
Hi David, A few (ok, seven) things to consider: 1) Lance typed up the Karl Barth quote as an addendum to the post he wrote before it. It was not offerred up on its own although I can see why it could be construed that way. Lance attempted to make it clear that it belonged with his earlier post

Re: [TruthTalk] Self-deception

2004-11-16 Thread Lance Muir
No. David, seriously, please identify 15-20 authors who've influenced you. It would be an aid. Plleese? . From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: November 16, 2004 14:35 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Self-deception > Lance wrote: > > Wil

RE: [TruthTalk] 613 Commands

2004-11-16 Thread Slade Henson
Some would say it is a feat to observe the Feast. Others would say it is a joy and a blessing Kay -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Susan Petersen Sent: Tuesday, 16 November, 2004 14.24 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] 613 C

Re: [TruthTalk] Can God's covenants be broken?

2004-11-16 Thread Lance Muir
I don't save posts, excepting of course those 'created from whole cloth' by my buds (Jonathan & John). As you've offered a truncated version of what I said (I don't even save my own highly esteemed posts) I seem to recall answering your question near the end (the 'double move' business)..ergo UNILA

Re: [TruthTalk] Self-deception

2004-11-16 Thread David Miller
Lance wrote: Will you kindly write for us an underived paragraph? I just did. Those were my thoughts, not something derived from someone else. This does not mean that other people have not influenced my thinking in years past, but it means that I do not simply parrot others in the ideas and th

Re: [TruthTalk]139 - 175 of 613 Commands

2004-11-16 Thread Susan Petersen
That is exactly what we are saying. They all fall under the "big two." But you keep saying that we do not have to follow these laws. These are just some of the laws in Torah. We need to follow these, right? Suzy --- Terry Clifton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Slade Henson wrote: > > > Question:

Re: [TruthTalk] 613 Commands

2004-11-16 Thread Susan Petersen
Sukkot is also known as Feat of Tabernacles or Feast of Booths. Suzy --- Terry Clifton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Slade Henson wrote: > > > Hmm...why then, Terry, does God repeatedly say it > was for the > > "foreigner" among them as well? > > > > You mention feasts, sacrifices, tithing, a

Re: [TruthTalk] 613 Commands

2004-11-16 Thread Susan Petersen
Oops. "Feat" was a typo. It should read Feast. Suzy --- Terry Clifton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Slade Henson wrote: > > > Hmm...why then, Terry, does God repeatedly say it > was for the > > "foreigner" among them as well? > > > > You mention feasts, sacrifices, tithing, and > Sabbath. Does

Re: [TruthTalk] Can God's covenants be broken?

2004-11-16 Thread David Miller
Lance wrote: I would 'suggest' that God's covenant with Abraham is, in reality, unilateral and, thereby further 'suggesting' that such an covenant does exist. How do you reconcile your "suggestion" with the Scripture I had quoted where God expected something from Abraham and his descendants? Gene

Re: [TruthTalk] Love and Hate

2004-11-16 Thread David Miller
Gary paraphrases: "..I myself..in the sinful nature [am] a slave to the law of sin." --the Ap. Paul (Rom 7) Abbreviation gets you in trouble again. Consider the whole context of Paul's message here. Paul describes in Romans 7 his experience of living under the law and in the flesh. He preface

Re: [TruthTalk] 613 Commands

2004-11-16 Thread Susan Petersen
I am sorry, Judy, but I find your defenses very confusing. First you say there is a new covenant that we follow which gets rid of the old (this is my way of saying it). Now you are saying that technically there isn't a new commandment. Which one is it? There is ONE theme throughout the Bible. ONE

Re: [TruthTalk] 613 Commands

2004-11-16 Thread Susan Petersen
God did not return to the "old". He had a plan right from the start. He knew man would fall. From the very start he planned to give His Son. He still set up the Law so that we would know how to love Him and love our neighbor. Jesus came to make God's covenant with us fuller (Matthew 5:17). He broug

Re: [TruthTalk] Love and Hate

2004-11-16 Thread David Miller
Gary wrote: also, KDavid comments, "..may those who love your salvation always say, "The LORD be exalted!" Yet I am poor and needy [now*]; may the Lord think of me [now*].." (Ps. 40) *presently, beyond his 'Uriah confession/s', "[KDavid's sins] are more than the hairs of [his] head, and [his] heart

Re: [TruthTalk] 613 Commands

2004-11-16 Thread David Miller
Kay wrote: How, then, David, do you rectify Matt. 11:30... My yoke is easy and my burden is light? That's the point. The yoke of Christ's covenant is not the same as the yoke of the covenant of the law. Acts 15:10 speaks about an unbearable yoke. Define that unbearable yoke that they are talkin

Re: [TruthTalk] Self-deception

2004-11-16 Thread Lance Muir
DM:Will you kindly write for us an underived paragraph? - Original Message - From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: November 16, 2004 13:39 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Self-deception > John wrote: > > Could it be that KB expresses that which Lance believes?

Re: [TruthTalk] Swimming with Noah

2004-11-16 Thread David Miller
Jonathan, you are a very gifted writer. Did you submit this piece for publication somewhere? Very polished writing. Delightful to read. By the way, I have had five children go through this stage, so I relate to your experience. :-) Peace be with you. David Miller. -- "Let your spee

Re: [TruthTalk] Self-deception

2004-11-16 Thread David Miller
John wrote: Could it be that KB expresses that which Lance believes? David, you might try responding to those words, included by Lance, and see what Lance has to say rather than resorting to the kind of criticism, disguised as honest (no doubt) advice., as is recorded above. You the Teacher -- La

Re: [TruthTalk] 613 Commands

2004-11-16 Thread Susan Petersen
That is correct. All of the laws either talk about loving God or loving your neighbor. They teach us how to both love God and love our neighbor. Suzy --- Terry Clifton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Susan Petersen wrote: > > >Jesus was asked by the Pharisees to rank the > greatest > >commandments

Re: [TruthTalk] Can God's covenants be broken?

2004-11-16 Thread Lance Muir
I would 'suggest' that God's covenant with Abraham is, in reality, unilateral and, thereby further 'suggesting' that such an covenant does exist. You are speaking of a bi-lateral covenant. God in Christ completes what some have called the 'double move' (God toward man & Man toward God). No 'conditi

Re: [TruthTalk] Love and Hate

2004-11-16 Thread ttxpress
"..I myself..in the sinful nature [am] a slave to the law of sin."         --the Ap. Paul (Rom 7) On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 10:41:36 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: myth   On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 12:32:27 -0500 "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:>God desires for us to st

[TruthTalk] Can God's covenants be broken?

2004-11-16 Thread David Miller
Lance wrote: If a covenant is unilateral, can it be broken? A covenant is an agreement between parties and there are always expected obligations on both sides. If not, then there is no real covenant. One party simply does something for someone else without any agreement between them. So I wou

Re: [TruthTalk] Love and Hate

2004-11-16 Thread ttxpress
myth   On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 12:32:27 -0500 "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:>God desires for us to stand up like men of valor before him with a heart free of any consciousness of sin.

Re: [TruthTalk] Love and Hate

2004-11-16 Thread ttxpress
also, KDavid comments, "..may those who love your salvation always say, "The LORD be exalted!" Yet I am poor and needy [now*]; may the Lord think of me [now*].." (Ps. 40)   *presently, beyond his 'Uriah confession/s', "[KDavid's sins] are more than the hairs of [his] head, and [his] heart f

RE: [TruthTalk] 613 Commands

2004-11-16 Thread Slade Henson
Not much time right now...will answer the rest later when I get a chance How, then, David, do you rectify Matt. 11:30...My yoke is easy and my burden is light? K. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of David Miller Sent: Tuesday, 16 November,

Re: [TruthTalk] 613 Commands

2004-11-16 Thread David Miller
Terry wrote: How to tithe to a priesthood that no longer exists would be a good place to start, because if you fail to tithe to the priests you break the whole law. Terry's whole post was very good, but I would especially like to see this comment addressed. Surely you interpret the meaning of the

Re: [TruthTalk] The Gospel

2004-11-16 Thread Lance Muir
Speaking for myself, I got it. Yes mm! - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: November 16, 2004 12:15 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] The Gospel Since you jumped in on this, John, let me explain that I find it frustrating that al

Re: [TruthTalk] Love and Hate

2004-11-16 Thread David Miller
John Smithson wrote: Additionally, a comparison of Ps 7 complete with the arrogance of the self-righteous in stark contrast to the wording of one who is suddenly and completely humbled by the fact of sin in his life (Ps 51) and in the presense of a merciful God. I believe there is an important dist

RE: [TruthTalk] The Gospel

2004-11-16 Thread ShieldsFamily
Negatory. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 11:08 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The Gospel Is this meant for David Miller? - Original Message - From: "ShieldsFamily"

Re: [TruthTalk] 613 Commands

2004-11-16 Thread David Miller
Kay wrote: I think it's been said repeatedly. The four "rules" given were what they HAD to do in order to be granted entry into synagogues. This is not true, Kay. Somebody has misled you on this point. Gentiles already had access to the synagogues before they ever heard of Jesus Christ. If you

RE: [TruthTalk] Swimming with Noah

2004-11-16 Thread ShieldsFamily
  Terry, You are wonderfully practical. J Izzy === Enjoy him while you can.  Before you know it, he will be an unbearable teen ager. Terry

RE: [TruthTalk] Swimming with Noah

2004-11-16 Thread ShieldsFamily
Lovely, Jonathan. And so true. (You should see my daughter-in-law taking three girls, ages 6, 4, and 2, swimming—what a handful!) Izzy   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hughes Jonathan Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 10:15 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [TruthTalk] Love and Hate

2004-11-16 Thread ttxpress
the point, your myth, remains   On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 10:03:59 -0500 "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:>after David had sinned, he made a decision that he [will]>confess his transgressions.

RE: [TruthTalk] The Gospel

2004-11-16 Thread ShieldsFamily
Since you jumped in on this, John, let me explain that I find it frustrating that almost every time someone tries to discuss something with either you, Lance, or Jonathan one of you jumps in to defend him (or more likely attack the person directly) before there is any answer from the person

Re: [TruthTalk] The Gospel

2004-11-16 Thread Lance Muir
Is this meant for David Miller? - Original Message - From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: November 16, 2004 12:02 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] The Gospel > I Cor 13:4 Love...is not rude. Izzy > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [

Re: [TruthTalk] 613 Commands

2004-11-16 Thread David Miller
Judy, what do you think of the following passages which speak of the Jew FIRST? Romans 1:16 (16) For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. Romans 2:9-10 (9) Tribulation and angui

RE: [TruthTalk] The Gospel

2004-11-16 Thread ShieldsFamily
Now you are doing it. The First Izzy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hughes Jonathan Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 8:42 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] The Gospel Izzy, The post before yours accusing Lance of 'interr

RE: [TruthTalk] The Gospel

2004-11-16 Thread ShieldsFamily
I Cor 13:4 Love...is not rude. Izzy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 8:13 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The Gospel Please explain the 'law of exclusivity' (#615) to me. ---

Re: [TruthTalk] 613 Commands

2004-11-16 Thread Lance Muir
DM says of Sir Lancelot: 'you don't like the exchange' and why kind Sir L is that? I OCCASIONALLY find you to be excessively pedantic. - Original Message - From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: November 16, 2004 11:55 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] 613 Commands

Re: [TruthTalk] 613 Commands

2004-11-16 Thread David Miller
Lance wrote: DAVID MILLER: This is what I'm meaning. SOMETIMES you are a sophisticated version of Judy. One (this one) occasionally 'wishes' , not hopes, to say: Enough Already! Aw, Lance. I liked the exchange. I think Slade made a good observation, that Judy's response had an elitist implicatio

Re: [TruthTalk] Swimming with Noah

2004-11-16 Thread Terry Clifton
Hughes Jonathan wrote: Last night I took my two and a half year old son Noah to his first swimming lesson.  Noah isn't really afraid of water as much as he is afraid to spend time with someone other than his mother.  Last night was daddy time.  He didn't have his nap during the day

RE: [TruthTalk] 613 Commands

2004-11-16 Thread ShieldsFamily
I did not write the post below. Izzy   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 8:12 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] 613 Commands   In a message dated 11/15/2004 9:39:40 PM Pacific Stand

Re: [TruthTalk] Self-deception

2004-11-16 Thread Lance Muir
Yes, that is what that first statement means and, as you just might recall, I believe it to apply even to you. You may not have a 'puny little mind' David, but you are regularly small-minded. It's quite unbecoming for someone so obviously gifted. By the by, I doubt that you've every written a tho

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