Re: [TruthTalk] Street Preaching

2005-05-15 Thread Kevin Deegan
http://www.americademy.com/charles_wesley.htm Whitefield's preaching was such as England had never heard before, theatrical, extravagant, often commonplace, but hushing all criticism by its intense reality, its earnestness of belief, its deep tremulous sympathy with the sin and sorrow of

Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Street Preaching

2005-05-15 Thread Kevin Deegan
Bible or EXCathedra?Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have read the collected works of Wesley including his journals. David,David etc. the culture has changed since I was a young man, never mind sinceWesley's era. Goodness sake, man, are you 'unplugged'?- Original Message - From:

Re: [TruthTalk] What I believe...and what I do not believe

2005-05-15 Thread Bothoms
Raymond: Judy, Do you really believe that he is 'mocking' in the same way? Do you really? "And when I had said this, the Lord spake unto me, saying: Fools mock, but they shall mourn; and my grace is sufficient for the meek..." (Ether 12:26a)Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Elijah mocked the

Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] baptism

2005-05-15 Thread Kevin Deegan
Yes, CW has shown herself INTOLERANTDavid Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Caroline wrote: Someone I don't know, trust, believe or even like shouting at me stuff that is offensive to my ears is disturbing my right to peace and quiet and my right to be unmolested and intimidated when I enter my

Re: [Bulk] RE: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] God Hardens Hearts

2005-05-15 Thread Kevin Deegan
Are you the Pope of Canada?Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: IFF my opinion differed from God's opinion then, you'd have a point.But..- Original Message - From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: Sent: May 14, 2005 10:32Subject: [Bulk] RE: [Bulk]

Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Are Jesus and Satan brothers?

2005-05-15 Thread Kevin Deegan
While you are looking for the INHERITANCE and Heirship for Satan. Can you find a reference to any ANGEL being a brother? Charles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Bothoms <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [Bulk]

Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Are Jesus and Satan brothers?

2005-05-15 Thread Kevin Deegan
Hey Raymond how about a TESTIMONY of what God is doing in your life right now?Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When you Mormons cannot provide an orthodox answer to the question 'Who domen say that I am' then, there ain't much point in the talkin' 'bout the'condiments' Were this statement to be

Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Street Preaching

2005-05-15 Thread Kevin Deegan
Thanks Terry, that really cuts to the chase!Terry Clifton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lance Muir wrote:I have read the collected works of Wesley including his journals. David,David etc. the culture has changed since I was a young man, never mind sinceWesley's era. Goodness sake, man, are you

Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Street Preaching

2005-05-15 Thread Kevin Deegan
God anoints men to speak his mind, and those within the culture want to stop them from doing what they are doing. Some deride and express their disdain for what these men do, others throw pies or stones or spit in their face, yet others try to kill them. Well I can tell you this "CULTURE" has not

Re: [TruthTalk] THE GREAT APOSTASY

2005-05-15 Thread Kevin Deegan
The gospel has been preached since the times of Adam. Do you remember that Abel offered sacrifices to the Lord? Where do you think that he learned that from? Adam? But how would he know how to offer sacrifices to the Lord? Do you remember the skins of animals given to Adam and Eve before they left

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Rikk Watts on Genesis 1

2005-05-15 Thread Caroline Wong
bondage yes. hell? It is for freedom that Christ sets up free. Some people never find it, some don't. It takes time. I could explain but I fear it'll fall on deaf ears. Love, Caroline - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc:

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Rikk Watts on Genesis 1

2005-05-15 Thread Caroline Wong
Are we all assuming this man was confessing pedophilia? Or was he confessing something else like anger or sloth or is that all perversion to you, Terry? I know some here believe they don't sin but some here regularly confesses to the Lord. Are those who regularly confess sins in their prayer

Re: [TruthTalk] THE HOLY BIBLE – Missing Books

2005-05-15 Thread Kevin Deegan
In your mind is a reference to an external work an admission of lost books? In your mind is an admission of shortcomings , such as below, the same as a refernce to an external work? Paul quoted a PAGAN should we include the Whole Pagan Book? Did the Bible command you to read the supposed missing

Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] THE HOLY BIBLE - Errors

2005-05-15 Thread Kevin Deegan
If the Bible claims to be without error and you find some it is therefore a lying book toss it aside and get yourself some good fanatasy books. The Bible is indeed reflective of the humanity that wrote it. - Original Message - From: Bothoms To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: May

Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] THE HOLY BIBLE - Errors

2005-05-15 Thread Kevin Deegan
No just reflective of your low view of scriptureLance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Bible is indeed reflective of the humanity that wrote it. - Original Message - From: Bothoms To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: May 14, 2005 15:51 Subject: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] THE HOLY BIBLE –

Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Street Preaching

2005-05-15 Thread Kevin Deegan
Lance wrote .and God loves sinners today as much as ever He has.Amen?...and that is why he sends Preachers How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher? And he said

Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] _THE_HOLY_BIBLE_-_Errors?=

2005-05-15 Thread Kevin Deegan
I think the most rediculous thing I ever heard was a professing believer who said they believed God made everthing in the whole universe I asked was God smart enough powerful enough? Ans: yes So God could create all the huge plus all the minutia, all the sciences and all the mechanisms in your

Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Street Preaching

2005-05-15 Thread Caroline Wong
A great verse that bolsters Paul's argument that all Israel will be saved because God made a promise to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. I wonder what can we apply this verse to? What gifts and calling have been given to us? Salvation? gasp! - Original Message - From: Kevin

Re: [TruthTalk] Toronto Blessing Alpha

2005-05-15 Thread Caroline Wong
Let's just finally admit that you and I both call ourselves Christian but we don't worship the same God, follow the same Jesus or is filled by the same Holy Spirit and leave it at that. I hope and pray truth prevails. I trust you do to. I hope and pray that people aren't crushed and wounded

Re: [TruthTalk] Are Jesus and Satan brothers?

2005-05-15 Thread Kevin Deegan
Raymond: The fact is that you are twisting Scripture for your ownagenda. The passage is not discussing 'who are the children of God or not.' read it real slow Ray:"these are not the children of God" What does that mean? RAYMOND says Just because you find"not the children of God" doesn't mean it's

Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Street Preaching

2005-05-15 Thread Kevin Deegan
Since you made that up why don't YOU go preach it? Are you trying to be cutesy? Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I believe that many of you preach the 'gospel of qualifications'. If you qualify then, you get in. - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To:

Re: [TruthTalk] Fox news

2005-05-15 Thread Dave Hansen
DAVEH: Bummer! Kevin Deegan wrote: I believe it was the previous thursday. Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DAVEH: What day did it run, Kevin? Kevin Deegan wrote: The changed the date already ran it. I have a copy coming on cd. The ADF said it has

Re: [TruthTalk] Founder of Mormonism, was Mormon Underwear, was bapti sm

2005-05-15 Thread Kevin Deegan
The Scriptures testisfy that there are only two churches--- one is the church of the Lamb of God, and the other is the church of the devil Which one are we TT's in? Bothoms [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kevin: What is with you pompous scriptorians in the LDS church. What makes you LDS so PRIDEFUL?

Re: [TruthTalk] Founder of Mormonism, was Mormon Underwear, was bapti sm

2005-05-15 Thread Kevin Deegan
we have knowledge that you do not. What is this knowledge, can you demo? "I can battle you toe to toe. we have knowledge that you do not. I'd blow you out of the water" And this is not POMPOUS or PRIDEFUL? I don't know what lead someone else to infer that you were a kid.Bothoms [EMAIL

Re: [TruthTalk] Founder of Mormonism, was Mormon Underwear, was bapti sm

2005-05-15 Thread Kevin Deegan
Kevin: Do you work with Blaine? Raymond: No, but he’s a friend of mine. ?Bothoms [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Raymond: Because according to the Scriptures, Satan can appear almost as an angel of light. Kevin: Do you work with Blaine? Raymond: No, but he’s a friend of mine. Kevin: What scripture

Re: [TruthTalk] Founder of Mormonism, was Mormon Underwear, was bapti sm

2005-05-15 Thread Kevin Deegan
back to square one DC (printed by the church)says Moroni is an angel of light If I look up angel of light in Mormon Doctrine it says "see DEVIL" Therefore the LDS Church has admitted that Moroni is the DEVIL By the way I was being facetious: Kevin: They are the ones who publish the DC, right?

Re: [TruthTalk] Are Jesus and Satan brothers?

2005-05-15 Thread Kevin Deegan
OtherChurches bear the name Jesus Christ, does that make them true too? Your church did not always bear the name Jesus Christ does that make it false? 6 Apr 1830 -- Incorporated as The "Church of Christ" according to the laws of the New York http://www.irr.org/mit/BOC/1833boc-p1.html The name

Re: [TruthTalk] THE HOLY BIBLE – Errors

2005-05-15 Thread Kevin Deegan
The BIBLE TestimonyJesus NEVER cast doubt on the scriptures! Do you doubt God's word? The first recorded words in Genesis 3 from the DEVIL: "Yea hath God said...?" cast doubt on the word of God. Lets see what the testimony of the scriptures are concerning the scriptures 1John 5:9 "if we recieve

Re: [TruthTalk] Founder of Mormonism, was Mormon Underwear, was bapti sm

2005-05-15 Thread Kevin Deegan
PS 126 Then was our mouth filled with laughter, and our tongue with singing: then said they among the heathen, The LORD hath done great things for them.Terry Clifton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bothoms wrote: Kevin: What is with you pompous scriptorians in the LDS church. What makes you LDS so

Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] baptism

2005-05-15 Thread Kevin Deegan
How many dozens have you affected? Remember you would not answer that one it is personal I suppose. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This, of course, is not the objection. It is not "tolerance" that is in question, but effectiveness of ministry (not to mention rudeness). I personally believe that for

Re: [TruthTalk] Street Preaching

2005-05-15 Thread Kevin Deegan
Why should a Christian take advice from a Mormon? I get a lot of advice from Satanists too. They also prefer that we stop preaching. They rec. handing out literature, which by the way they will not take.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BLAINE: I think, Judy, your equating street preachers with OT

Re: [TruthTalk] To Sir With Love

2005-05-15 Thread Kevin Deegan
STOP being so CRITICAL! Are you being HYPOCRITICAL for Criticizing Judy for supposedly being Critical? Oh yeah forgot, Double Standards are okay for the ELITE.Debbie Sawczak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Blaine, I wrote that silly post in exasperation and weariness at Judy's remarks on To Sir With

Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Street Preaching

2005-05-15 Thread Dave Hansen
DAVEH: Were you apologizing to the LDS folks in SLC at Conference time, or to the LDS on TT??? Either waythank you! I appreciate your thoughtfulness and concern for how the gospel is preached. I realize that most Christians do not want to be obnoxious in the way they share their

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Rikk Watts on Genesis 1

2005-05-15 Thread Kevin Deegan
Must be an ERROR God lost some of his word LOL What a low opinion you have How do you know the part you have is not messed up also?Caroline Wong [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Both errors are likely. People could deliberately add words to bolster the text and make it sound better. In fact,

Re: [TruthTalk] Toronto Blessing Alpha

2005-05-15 Thread Kevin Deegan
They pray to God in the name of Jesus. So do Mormons, ask one.Caroline Wong [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been to the Toronto Airport Christian Fellowship and I've taken a prayer conference there. You see everything manifestly - God, human spirits, demons. Quite a mix! I'm not aware that the

Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Street Preaching

2005-05-15 Thread Kevin Deegan
What tribe are you?Caroline Wong [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A great verse that bolsters Paul's argument that all Israel will be saved because God made a promise to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. I wonder what can we apply this verse to? What gifts and calling have been given to us? Salvation?

Re: [TruthTalk] Toronto Blessing Alpha

2005-05-15 Thread Kevin Deegan
Let's just finally admit that you and I both call ourselves Christian but we don't worship the same God You connected them too! This is whatI have said all along. Did you know that Mormonism was the FIRST New Age religion?Caroline Wong [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Let's just finally admit that you

Re: [TruthTalk] What I believe...and what I do not believe

2005-05-15 Thread Kevin Deegan
Your out of CONTEXT there Ray, it has to do with SIN FOOLS mock at sinBothoms [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Raymond: Judy, Do you really believe that he is 'mocking' in the same way? Do you really? "And when I had said this, the Lord spake unto me, saying: Fools mock, but they shall mourn; and my

Re: [TruthTalk] What I believe...and what I do not believe

2005-05-15 Thread Kevin Deegan
ETHER? that is nefarius if not Hilarious! God is gonna mock you someday if you don't repent! PROVERBS ONE How long, ye simple ones, will ye love simplicity? and the scorners delight in their scorning, and fools hate knowledge? Turn you at my reproof: behold, I will pour out my spirit unto you, I

Re: [TruthTalk] THE HOLY BIBLE – Errors

2005-05-15 Thread Kevin Deegan
I am here just waiting for you to answer at least a couple of my questionsBothoms [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Judy: Here we go again.. The anger of God (Satan) moved David to number Israel against the advice of his military Cmdr 2 Sam 2:41 and 1 Chr 21:1 are saying the same thing; there is

RE: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] baptism

2005-05-15 Thread Kevin Deegan
Read the rest of the post! Izzy: Raymond, Have you not read the book of Exodus, or do you just disagree with it when it says the Lord hardened Pharaoh’s heart? See the ? that indicates a QUESTION Bothoms [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are you a nut?Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Have you

Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Are Jesus and Satan brothers?

2005-05-15 Thread Bothoms
Kevin: Ishmael was cast out, was he no longer Abrahams son? Raymond: Ishmael was not cast out -- he was sent away. He did not loose his inheritance. What I'm talking about is Perdition and the children of Perdition. They are banished. "While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name:

Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Are Jesus and Satan brothers?

2005-05-15 Thread Kevin Deegan
Raymond: Ishmael was not cast out Gal 4:30 Nevertheless what saith the scripture?CAST out the bondwoman and her son ? Bothoms [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kevin: Ishmael was cast out, was he no longer Abrahams son? Raymond: Ishmael was not cast out -- he was sent away. He did not loose his

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Rikk Watts on Genesis 1

2005-05-15 Thread Kevin Deegan
There is a Theology for everyone out there.Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Who says we are "saved in spite of" our sin? The idea is to let them go; sanctification is part of the salvation scenario.One can not be an acting pedophile and ATST comformed to the image of Christ. jt On Sat, 14

Re: [Bulk] RE: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] baptism

2005-05-15 Thread Kevin Deegan
I was an a witness. I DO NOT CONDONE ASSAULT. We were in a circle praying with eyes closed. There was a girl who requested prayer and was quite distraught. This guy was standing right there doing a sort of growling noise, for sometime. Making it hard to hear the prayer. He found the smallest guy

Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Street Preaching

2005-05-15 Thread Kevin Deegan
LOL We don't preach sans shoes. The command is clear and the last will of Jesus Christ GO INTO ALL the WORLD and PREACH the GOSPEL to every creature Blaine: Sorry, Kevin, but I still don't see it. Granted, the prophets of the OT were called upon by the Lord to do some strange things, strange

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Rikk Watts on Genesis 1

2005-05-15 Thread Terry Clifton
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are fat Christians save

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Rikk Watts on Genesis 1

2005-05-15 Thread Kevin Deegan
LOL Christian pervert is that like a female boyscout? I guess the scriptures are correct after all Prov 28:4 They that forsake the law praise the wicked: but such as keep the law contend with them. Terry Clifton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Re: [TruthTalk] THE HOLY BIBLE – Errors

2005-05-15 Thread Bothoms
I've been answering and answering. I'm still behind on my email. I don't have all of the free time that you obviously do.Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Raymond if we answer these will you commit to answer a few questions yourself? Or is that not gonna happen?Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk]THE HOLY BIBLE void of Error

2005-05-15 Thread Bothoms
VOID OF ERROR --- prove it. Don't just make a statement; answer my challenges that I posted.Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well I guess for one to know one must be in the faith.Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Plenty of others have known these facts Lance; if I were a betting

Re: [TruthTalk] What I believe...and what I do not believe

2005-05-15 Thread Bothoms
I was quoting Ether.Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Your out of CONTEXT there Ray, it has to do with SIN FOOLS mock at sinBothoms [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Raymond: Judy, Do you really believe that he is 'mocking' in the same way? Do you really? "And when I had said this, the Lord

RE: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] baptism

2005-05-15 Thread Bothoms
I did and my reply was suited to it.Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Read the rest of the post! Izzy: Raymond, Have you not read the book of Exodus, or do you just disagree with it when it says the Lord hardened Pharaoh’s heart? See the ? that indicates a QUESTION Bothoms [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [TruthTalk] THE HOLY BIBLE =?windows-1252?Q?=96_Errors?=

2005-05-15 Thread Terry Clifton
Bothoms wrote: Judy: Here we go again.. The anger of God (Satan) moved David to number Israel against the advice of his military Cmdr 2 Sam 2:41 and 1 Chr 21:1 are saying the same thing; there is NO error. Raymond: Good try. At least you made an attempt to answer

Re: [TruthTalk] THE HOLY BIBLE

2005-05-15 Thread Judy Taylor
Excellent response Terry; I don't find any of what Raymond posted changes much (for me). It certainly will not cause me to trust scripture any less and does not affect any major doctrine that I am aware of- It is all just petty stuff and since Jesus trusted scripture without question and

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Rikk Watts on Genesis 1

2005-05-15 Thread Judy Taylor
Theology must be the operative word then - theology void of truth. jt On Sun, 15 May 2005 05:56:39 -0700 (PDT) Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: There is a Theology for everyone out there.Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Who says we are "saved in spite of" our

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Rikk Watts on Genesis 1

2005-05-15 Thread knpraise
Are you saying there is no difference between the sacrifice of Christ and that of bulls and goats? If not, what did the death of Christ accomplished that was not accomplished in the sacrifices of bulls and goats?And,I am not responding to the "dog" illustration and the Heb 6 comments because

Re: [Bulk] RE: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] baptism

2005-05-15 Thread Terry Clifton
Caroline Wong wrote: And what did Jesus mean when he quoted Hosea, "But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance."

Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] God Hardens Hearts

2005-05-15 Thread knpraise
Kind of similar to a white man denying he is white. And I have told you often that I am not a fundamentalist. Yahoo! MailStay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour

Re: [TruthTalk] LDS cursing, threatening and spitting

2005-05-15 Thread Bothoms
Judy-- Jesus teaches us to have forgiveness in our hearts, not to be stupid.What they have done in the past; they have done again and again. I expect it will continue. As for the extra books --- I'm an LDS Christian; and I've read them and I know what's in them. Why don't you read them and ask

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Rikk Watts on Genesis 1

2005-05-15 Thread Judy Taylor
No I'm not saying that. There is a difference. One lasted for a year and the other is eternal. One covered sin and the other remits it on condition we separate ourselves from it. Sin is not remitted when we keep returning to it - it's not even covered when this is going on. judyt On Sun,

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Rikk Watts on Genesis 1

2005-05-15 Thread knpraise
Is gluttony a sin?-Original Message-From: Terry Clifton [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sun, 15 May 2005 08:14:08 -0500Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Rikk Watts on Genesis 1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are fat Christians save

Re: [TruthTalk] LDS cursing, threatening and spitting

2005-05-15 Thread Judy Taylor
Forgiving ppl is not stupid Raymond - and you can be sure what is in ones heart will come out of their mouths. When we forgive we are obeying Jesus and doing things God's way, (leaving the vengeance with Him) and this is whenHe will undertake for us as He has promised. When we take thing

Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] God Hardens Hearts

2005-05-15 Thread Terry Clifton
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kind of similar to a white man denying he is white. And I have told you often that I am not a fundamentalist. Had to laugh. Couldn't help it.

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Rikk Watts on Genesis 1

2005-05-15 Thread Terry Clifton
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is gluttony a sin? = Yes, it is, but all obese folks are not gluttons.

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Rikk Watts on Genesis 1

2005-05-15 Thread Judy Taylor
As Terry said - all fat ppl are not gluttons but if you are concerned or interested here's a Bible Study: Gluttony Drunkenness seem to go together like siamese twins (as an attitude of the heart) and under the Old Covenant they they were cause for a rebellious son who would not listen to

Re: [TruthTalk] LDS cursing, threatening and spitting

2005-05-15 Thread Bothoms
First, I didn't write that forgivess is stupid. What I was telling you was that Jesus wants us to forgive, but not to be stupid. If an enemy cames against you, again, and again, and again -- it would be stupid the think it that he would not do so another time. I know that vengence belongs to the

Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] God Hardens Hearts

2005-05-15 Thread knpraise
:-)-Original Message-From: Terry Clifton [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sun, 15 May 2005 10:11:32 -0500Subject: Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] God Hardens Hearts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kind of similar to a white man denying he is white. And I have told you often

Re: [TruthTalk] LDS cursing, threatening and spitting

2005-05-15 Thread Terry Clifton
Bothoms wrote: F I'm an LDS Christian; and I've read them and I know what's in them. Why don't you read them and ask God if they are true? Would you rather, asa non-LDS Christian,depend upon man for your answers or God? I prefer to follow God and I know that God answers

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Rikk Watts on Genesis 1

2005-05-15 Thread knpraise
For the most part, we are fat because we consume too many calories. Call it gluttony; call it over-eating. It damages the "temple of God." Why is this person "saved" and the confessing "pervert" lost? Sins of omission will send us to hell, under your gospel. How many minutes can I sit watching

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Rikk Watts on Genesis 1

2005-05-15 Thread Judy Taylor
Why was I naive enough to think you were asking an honest question JD; I should have known I was being set up and that you had this hidden agenda... Who said a "glutton" is saved and a "confessing pervert" lost?? Certainly not me. What both Terry and I said is that all fat ppl are not

Re: [TruthTalk] LDS cursing, threatening and spitting

2005-05-15 Thread Judy Taylor
On Sun, 15 May 2005 08:54:39 -0700 (PDT) Bothoms [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: First, I didn't write that forgivess is stupid. What I was telling you was that Jesus wants us to forgive, but not to be stupid. If an enemy cames against you, again, and again, and again -- it would be stupid

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Rikk Watts on Genesis 1

2005-05-15 Thread Terry Clifton
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For the most part, we are fat because we consume too many calories. Call it gluttony; call it over-eating. It damages the "temple of God." Why is this person "saved" and the confessing "pervert" lost? tc: If a person is a glutton, sin is the pattern of

Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] baptism

2005-05-15 Thread Caroline Wong
I hope JD is ahead of you in that total - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2005 3:11 AM Subject: Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] baptism How many dozens have you affected? Remember you would not

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Rikk Watts on Genesis 1

2005-05-15 Thread Caroline Wong
But it seems that Judy is saying if you have to confess the same sin a couple of times, you're not really saved. I was just asking for clarification. Love, Caroline - Original Message - From: Terry Clifton To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2005

Re: [Bulk] RE: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] baptism

2005-05-15 Thread Caroline Wong
Terry, I agree. Love, Caroline - Original Message - From: Terry Clifton To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2005 9:44 AM Subject: Re: [Bulk] RE: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] baptism Caroline Wong wrote: And what did Jesus mean

Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Street Preaching

2005-05-15 Thread Caroline Wong
So we are to be co-saviours with Jesus Christ? Love, Caroline - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2005 9:48 AM Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Street

Re: [TruthTalk] [Fwd: The Wise Old Poodle]

2005-05-15 Thread Caroline Wong
Yikes Terry! Note to self: nevermess with Terry :-) Love, Caroline - Original Message - From: Terry Clifton To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org ; Larry/Janice Farris ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2005 10:07 AM Subject: [TruthTalk] [Fwd: The Wise Old

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Rikk Watts on Genesis 1

2005-05-15 Thread Caroline Wong
I think you mean some obese folks are not glutton. True some people have metabolic disorders that make them put on weight without overeating. But what about those who do overeat. Can they still be Christians. Or how about smokers? Or an alcoholic who got dry and then got drunk again and then

Re: [TruthTalk] LDS cursing, threatening and spitting

2005-05-15 Thread Kevin Deegan
Raymond did I miss your post with your Testimony the definition of the Gospel?Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 15 May 2005 08:54:39 -0700 (PDT) Bothoms [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: First, I didn't write that forgivess is stupid. What I was telling you was that Jesus wants us to

Re: [Bulk] RE: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] baptism

2005-05-15 Thread Terry Clifton
I kinda figured you would. Caroline Wong wrote: Terry, I agree. Love, Caroline - Original Message - From: Terry Clifton To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2005 9:44 AM Subject: Re: [Bulk] RE: [Bulk] Re:

Re: [TruthTalk] LDS cursing, threatening and spitting

2005-05-15 Thread Charles Perry Locke
From: Bothoms [EMAIL PROTECTED] As for the extra books --- I'm an LDS Christian; and I've read them and I know what's in them. Why don't you read them and ask God if they are true? Would you rather, as a non-LDS Christian, depend upon man for your answers or God? I prefer to follow God

Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk]THE HOLY BIBLE void of Error

2005-05-15 Thread Kevin Deegan
I don't have as much time as youBothoms [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: VOID OF ERROR --- prove it. Don't just make a statement; answer my challenges that I posted.Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well I guess for one to know one must be in the faith.Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Re: [TruthTalk] What I believe...and what I do not believe

2005-05-15 Thread Kevin Deegan
ETHER isn't that the stuff the dentist gives you when he has to extract your wisdom teeth?Bothoms [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was quoting Ether.Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Your out of CONTEXT there Ray, it has to do with SIN FOOLS mock at sinBothoms [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

RE: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] baptism

2005-05-15 Thread Kevin Deegan
OK the question was do you just disagree with it when it says the Lord hardened Pharaoh’s heart? and? Bothoms [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I did and my reply was suited to it.Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Read the rest of the post! Izzy: Raymond, Have you not read the book of Exodus, or do

Re: [TruthTalk] LDS cursing, threatening and spitting

2005-05-15 Thread Kevin Deegan
What would you do if someone spit in your face? I have seen SP's wipe their face keep on preaching. Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Further proof that Mormonism is different from our Christian faith. Jesus taught and demonstrated forgiveness even blessing those who oppose and curse you -

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Rikk Watts on Genesis 1

2005-05-15 Thread knpraise
Please read my questions below and give an answer. Your personal judgments about me are no answer to my questions. Additionally, are some gluttons saved and others lost because of "attitude of heart?" Are you saying that it is the condition of the heart rather than mere "sin" that God looks to?

Re: [TruthTalk] THE HOLY BIBLE

2005-05-15 Thread Kevin Deegan
Written by farmers, goat herders, cup bearers, fisherman over thousands of years in diverse places. Try to get 40 doctors together in one place today and see if they can agree.Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Excellent response Terry; I don't find any of what Raymond posted changes much (for

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Rikk Watts on Genesis 1

2005-05-15 Thread Kevin Deegan
Are you dieting again?[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is gluttony a sin?-Original Message-From: Terry Clifton [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sun, 15 May 2005 08:14:08 -0500Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Rikk Watts on Genesis 1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Rikk Watts on Genesis 1

2005-05-15 Thread Terry Clifton
Caroline Wong wrote: I think you mean some obese folks are not glutton. True some people have metabolic disorders that make them put on weight without overeating. But what about those who do overeat. Can they still be Christians. Or how about smokers? Or an alcoholic who got dry

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Rikk Watts on Genesis 1

2005-05-15 Thread Caroline Wong
That's really bad news for so many Americans. Terry, is it possible that God saves a glutton because He is able to and He wants to? Love, Caroline - Original Message - From: Terry Clifton To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2005 2:03 PM Subject:

Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] baptism

2005-05-15 Thread knpraise
Back in my legalistic days, I used to actually keep a total of "converts." The good news is that I understand the message in clearer terms. I just got through (yes, this Sunday afternoon) counseling a woman who is having a problem that is effecting her marriage. This week, I will (by invitation)

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Rikk Watts on Genesis 1

2005-05-15 Thread Terry Clifton
Caroline Wong wrote: That's really bad news for so many Americans. Terry, is it possible that God saves a glutton because He is able to and He wants to? Love, Caroline Yes, Caroline. You know that.

RE: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] baptism

2005-05-15 Thread Bothoms
Look ! I answered the question. The question was Have you not read the book of Exodus, or do you just disagree with it when it says the Lord hardened Pharaoh’s heart? I answered that I have read Exodus -- in fact, I probably know the book better than you. As for the other part of the question, I

[TruthTalk] Street Preaching

2005-05-15 Thread Caroline Wong
A SP who does not speak unless spoken to. Not all street preachers are preachy Matt Heinz Daily Staff I guess you should expect that there will be some street preachers around every once in a while on a college campus. They are not necessarily talking about religion, either. You find some

Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Street Preaching

2005-05-15 Thread Judy Taylor
I don't remember saying anything about co-saviors Caroline- where do you get this from? Co-laboring is entirely different. Paul says in 1 Cor 3:9 that he and Apollos were co-laboring with God; one plants and the other waters. In our own lives we are to labor to enter into rest Hebrews 4:11

Re: [TruthTalk] THE HOLY BIBLE – Errors

2005-05-15 Thread Bothoms
What was your response on the TESTIMONY of the Book O Mormon? I haven't answered yet. Can you answer any of the questions, posed? Yes. Where are the verses that show Satans Inheritance? His heirship? Any ANGELS inheritance? Any Angel called a "brother"? I've answered enough on that topic. If you

Re: [TruthTalk] LDS cursing, threatening and spitting

2005-05-15 Thread Bothoms
I've been spit on before, and I don't do it to others.Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What would you do if someone spit in your face? I have seen SP's wipe their face keep on preaching. Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Further proof that Mormonism is different from our Christian

Re: [TruthTalk] Street Preaching

2005-05-15 Thread Caroline Wong
From ChristianityToday.com http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2004/002/14.18.html Looks like I'm not the only Christian who felt bad about what happened at the LDS conference Winning Them SoftlyEvangelicals try to reach Mormons with respect—and hard science.By John W. Kennedy | posted

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Rikk Watts on Genesis 1

2005-05-15 Thread knpraise
Judy -- why the attack? We are discussing a very important issue. Let's just stick to that and avoid personal judgments about the other. I asked a series of questions.I would like an answer. When you mention an "attitude of heart," are y ou saying that some gluttons are lost and others are

Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Street Preaching

2005-05-15 Thread Caroline Wong
Because you're saying God can't save us unless we keep ourselves free of sin after we accept Him as our Lord. Love, Caroline - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2005

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