Re: Community reps on the UCD board [was: Re: [UC] The UCD answer

ying it to Lewis Wendell? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: univcity@list.purple.com Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 5:42 pm Subject: Re: Community reps on the UCD board [was: Re: [UC] The UCD answer] In a message dated 6/5/2007 5:17:01 P.M. Eastern Dayli

Re: Community reps on the UCD board [was: Re: [UC] The UCD answer

I think a better quote from Mao would be "no investigation, no right to speak." -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: univcity@list.purple.com Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 5:42 pm Subject: Re: Community reps on the UCD board [was: Re: [U

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Kyle Cassidy wrote: The whole of the community's never going to completely agree on anything as we saw with the dog park, and the liquor store move, so I think that ANY group is going to have to take a side on something -- if I announced that all soup kitchens in west philadelphia should not to s

Re: Community reps on the UCD board [was: Re: [UC] The UCD answer]

In a message dated 6/5/2007 5:17:01 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: how we can continue a direct conversation where you've asked us to accept ucd's role wrt dock street but not provided details about that role While UCD is a not for profit corporation, such a corpo

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The whole of the community's never going to completely agree on anything as we saw with the dog park, and the liquor store move, so I think that ANY group is going to have to take a side on something -- if I announced that all soup kitchens in west philadelphia should not to serve meals with mea

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Glenn wrote: Ray, I'm not sure the term strawman fallacy is well understood. This strategy is so often used and rarely challenged on the listserv. I want to share the explanation of the term. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man A straw man argument is an informal fallacy based on misrepr

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Kyle Cassidy wrote: just my two cents. thanks, kyle. a lot of issues raised in what you've written, but I think the heart of it is right here, in this pair of thoughts: > To get my trees, UCD and UC Green had > to take the "side" of some neighbors over others. and > My revis

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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: sorry, resorting to ad hominem here isn't helpful. No attack of any sort was intended here. I believe you when you say it wasn't intended -- but that's why it may be hard to realize when it's being used. it's in the part you snipped (you

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PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 10:02 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; UnivCity@list.purple.com Subject: Community reps on the UCD board [was: Re: [UC] The UCD answer] In a message dated 6/5/07 12:18:02 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes

Community reps on the UCD board [was: Re: [UC] The UCD answer]

In a message dated 6/5/07 12:18:02 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Ray, each community association has a representative on the board of the > UCD. > >   There is one for Spruce Hill and one for Walnut Hill, both covering > areas > > near your apartment.   If you do

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>consider this: if a majority of folks in the hood were >pro-Nutter, and these same folks also happened to be >contributing money to ucd, that would not make it right for >ucd to publicly endorse Nutter, to encourage voters to vote >for Nutter. the choice for Nutter or not is a public choice,

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CITOYEN <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: University City List Sent: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 12:26 am Subject: Re: [UC] The UCD answer Kyle Cassidy wrote:  > I understand your position and I think very often UCD does stay out of  > the fray. But in the particular case of Dock Street I believe it

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Organizations in UCD's class are prohibited from supporting specific political candidates directly (indirectly, or in appearance, etc. is not prohibited and is widespread). Therefore, it would be wrong for it to support Nutter. Organizations in UCD's class are not prohibited from taking sides

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Kyle Cassidy wrote: I understand your position and I think very often UCD does stay out of the fray. But in the particular case of Dock Street I believe it goes back to your point of "whom is UCD beholden to" -- and as Sharrieff pointed out, UCD is beholden to the people who pay it's bills -- at

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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ray, each community association has a representative on the board of the UCD. There is one for Spruce Hill and one for Walnut Hill, both covering areas near your apartment. If you don't like what the UCD is doing, go to the community associations and ask them to exe

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In a message dated 6/4/07 12:52:30 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > what I don't understand in all this is the expectation that > we can have it both ways. we're supposed to accept how > 'involved' ucd is in our public lives, but at the same time > we're not supposed to look too closely, to ask t

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I understand your position and I think very often UCD does stay out of the fray. But in the particular case of Dock Street I believe it goes back to your point of "whom is UCD beholden to" -- and as Sharrieff pointed out, UCD is beholden to the people who pay it's bills -- at the moment, that is no

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Frank wrote: You're still not making sense. In the theoretical example *you* (not Ray) originally used, the decision about what content to teach was made by the agency, not by UCD. UCD's support would theoretically be forthcoming no matter what content was chosen. Any public complaint would ha

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that is actually interested in community engagement, transparency, and accountability. Glenn - Original Message - From: "UNIVERSITY*CITOYEN" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "University City List" Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 11:13 AM Subject: Re: [UC] The UCD answer A

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Frank wrote: You're still not making sense. In the theoretical example *you* (not Ray) originally used, the decision about what content to teach was made by the agency, not by UCD. UCD's support would theoretically be forthcoming no matter what content was chosen. You're not following my

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Anthony West wrote: Ray proposed that UCD "not take sides in public questions/disputes/contests, not taking sides or even appearing to take sides." Therefore, Ray is saying, UCD could only support projects with which there was universal contentment in this community. And since it only takes on

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gle-case agency one doesn't really know anything about, is a childish exercise in imaginary self-importance. Ray can do this if he wants. He can hold his conversation with nobody, in public, if he wants. -- Tony West - Original Message - From: "Frank" <[EMAIL PROTECTE

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uot; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 10:26 AM Subject: Re: [UC] The UCD answer Umm...Who said *that?* If I missed something, please explain it to me. Frank On Jun 1, 2007, at 02:48 AM, Anthony West wrote: So to set a standard of universal contentment as the bench

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Anthony West wrote: So to set a standard of universal contentment as the benchmark for any non-profit's legitimacy is absurd, an impossible test to meet. Frank wrote: Umm...Who said *that?* If I missed something, please explain it to me. thanks for the reality check. meanwhile, tony's c

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Umm...Who said *that?* If I missed something, please explain it to me. Frank On Jun 1, 2007, at 02:48 AM, Anthony West wrote: So to set a standard of universal contentment as the benchmark for any non-profit's legitimacy is absurd, an impossible test to meet. You are receiving this be

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pe of trickery? Isn't it interesting at the number of list post "criticizers" whom never point out Tony's abusive, Evil Ray, posts? An ex-member of FOCP - Original Message - From: "Anthony West" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 2

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A non-profit running an adult literacy program is comparable to a non-profit running a Business Improvement District. In order to undertake any activity in the public sphere at all -- and worthy activity in the public sphere is the chief function of any 501(c)(3) -- it must choose specific progr

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I wouldn't exempt myself, of course! _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wilma de Soto Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 7:53 PM To: SKnight; Bill Sanderson; UnivCity listserv Subject: Re: [UC] The UCD answer Now, JUST a minute! I happen to represent

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UnivCity listserv<mailto:UnivCity@list.purple.com> Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 7:53 PM Subject: Re: [UC] The UCD answer Now, JUST a minute! I happen to represent that remark! Nyuk, nyuk, nyuk. -Wilma On 5/31/07 7:28 PM, "SKnight" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROT

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s who are a pain-in-the-neck. >> >> - Original Message - >> >> From: Bill Sanderson <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> To: UnivCity@list.purple.com >> >> Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 8:46 PM >> >> Subject: RE: [UC] The UCD an

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> Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 8:46 PM Subject: RE: [UC] The UCD answer Glenn, you are taking a page from Al Krigman here, and it does not become you. Affecting respect for your peers by using titles, but misnaming those you apparently hold in low regard is childish, and both of you

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t;mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ; [EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ; UnivCity@list.purple.com<mailto:UnivCity@list.purple.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 12:26 PM Subject: Re: [UC] The UCD answer On 5/29/07, Ky

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;Kyle Cassidy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Glenn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Doc Baldy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 10:18 AM Subject: RE: [UC] The UCD answer Well, you're right of course that if the ch

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[EMAIL PROTECTED]> *Cc:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; UnivCity@list.purple.com *Sent:* Wednesday, May 30, 2007 11:27 PM *Subject:* Re: [UC] The UCD answer > Not a single denial of the student accounts has been made I guess we just see it differently. Seems to me there are lots of ways to int

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Well, you're right of course that if the church invited Jannie and Tom to speak that it may have been illegal and may have violated their 501c status. But before you can go filing lawsuits, you need to know specifically that the church _invited_ Councilwoman Blackwell and Tom Knox to speak and

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ould apologize for underquotting the Councilwoman's statement because it was terribly misleading until I came to your rescue. Your friend and neighbor, Glenn - Original Message - From: Doc Baldy To: Glenn Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; UnivCity@list.purple.com Sent: Wedne

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and here's a new idea to add to the list of responsibilities: idea: ucd should remain scrupulously neutral in public questions/disputes/contests, not taking sides or even appearing to take sides. A good precept politically, perhaps, but an impossible for any agency to carry o

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Ray, facts: ucd services affect the public. ucd's services are not limited to those who fund ucd. ucd management is accountable in part to the state of pennsylvania based on its 501c3 status. In the same way that its accountability is delegated to City Council for the mos

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Very good, then. In the future, Ray, when someone asks you directly on list, "How would you handle the community problem you have just criticized others' handling of?", you can contribute what you know. If you don't know how to do something any differently from the way others did it, then write

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Bill Sanderson wrote: I stand corrected. Thanks--this was not what I'd thought it was--given that the folks in question were students, and doing the public service for a Penn-associated agency. I don't think that it changes my feelings about the incident that is the base of this long drawn out

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Anthony West wrote: Ray, Are you saying, then, he advised you to answer a direct question when courteously posed by others, in the course of a conversation? That's a wise recommendation on his part. You should abide by it in every post you write. UNIVERSITY*CITOYEN wrote: my high school en

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Anthony West wrote: I'm not interested in having an "I think" conversation that is not grounded in "what is" observations. I'll rephrase my responses for you as follows FACT 1. Nobody on UC-list (aside from the likes of Melani) is willing to name a class they belong to, that can contribute to

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ims the students were lying. You need to pay attention Baldy. Your friend and neighbor, Glenn - Original Message - *From:* Doc Baldy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> *To:* Glenn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> *Cc:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; UnivCity@list.purple.com *Sent:* Wednesday, May 30, 2007 6:11 PM *Subj

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Though as Glenn pointed out, there are ways that this could have happened where everyone is telling the truth -- for example: 1) A community picnic is scheduled, Jannie asks John Fenton to help. 2) John comes and sets up bbq grills and a moon bounce. Children are pleased. 3) While this is happen

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On 5/30/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Wed, 30 May 2007, Kyle Cassidy wrote: > Jannie's comment on channel six seems to be a _direct_ denial of their > "testiments" that they were "working for a partisan campaign": > > "This was not a Knox rally. This was a community ra

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On Wed, 30 May 2007, Kyle Cassidy wrote: > Jannie's comment on channel six seems to be a _direct_ denial of their > "testiments" that they were "working for a partisan campaign": > > "This was not a Knox rally. This was a community rally. I asked nobody > to do > anything for a Knox rally. I

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e students were lying. You need to pay attention Baldy. Your friend and neighbor, Glenn - Original Message - From: Doc Baldy To: Glenn Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; UnivCity@list.purple.com Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 6:11 PM Subject: Re: [UC] The UCD answer > Not a sin

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Glenn wrote: You can't make me or others stop thinking and talking, Cassidy. Why? You've managed the first step on your own. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named "UnivCity." To unsubscribe or for archive information, see .

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y speculations? Wouldn't it be great if Wendell Lewis made a fool out of my criticisms of UCD? I'd certainly look like a complete idiot. Come on Wendell, we're all pulling for ya. - Original Message - *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* UnivCity@list.purple.com *Sent:* Wednesday, M

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Jannie's comment on channel six seems to be a _direct_ denial of their "testiments" that they were "working for a partisan campaign": "This was not a Knox rally. This was a community rally. I asked nobody to do anything for a Knox rally. I asked them to do it for a community fair in the pa

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king and talking, Cassidy. - Original Message - From: "Kyle Cassidy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 1:12 PM Subject: RE: [UC] The UCD answer Apart from, of course, Councilwoman Blackwell's denial, which has been widely reported but seems inc

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From: Frank <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: UnivCity@list.purple.com Subject: Re: [UC] The UCD answer Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 12:30:47 -0400 Thanks for the clarification. Is it still double hearsay if I direct someone to the original article or post it in my original message. I did both. I can s

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Apart from, of course, Councilwoman Blackwell's denial, which has been widely reported but seems inconvenient to your assumptions. -Original Message- Glenn said: "Not a single denial of the student accounts has been made..." You are receiving this because you are subscribed to t

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: UnivCity@list.purple.com Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 8:56 AM Subject: Fwd: [UC] The UCD answer I know some people on the list may get into legal debates, but I'm not one, really. But I must tell you that quotation marks don't negate hearsay but rather pro

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: UnivCity@list.purple.com Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 8:56 AM Subject: Fwd: [UC] The UCD answer I know some people on the list may get into legal debates, but I'm not one, really. But I must tell you that quotation marks don't negate hears

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t the person telling me did not have firsthand observation either. Karen From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: UnivCity@list.purple.com Subject: Fwd: [UC] The UCD answer Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 08:56:08 -0400 ??? I know some people on the list may get into legal debates,

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eply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: UnivCity@list.purple.com Subject: Fwd: [UC] The UCD answer Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 08:56:08 -0400 ??? I know some people on the list may get into legal debates, but I'm not one, really.? But I must tell you that quotation marks don't negate hearsay but r

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Frank <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: UnivCity@list.purple.com Sent: Wed, 30 May 2007 1:24 am Subject: Re: [UC] The UCD answer On May 29, 2007, at 11:45 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As I stated? before, you're determining facts based on double hearsay - you read what the repo

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On May 29, 2007, at 11:45 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As I stated before, you're determining facts based on double hearsay - you read what the reporter wrote about what someone may have told her. If there were a good investigation, one thing it would do is have people interviewed and act

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On 5/29/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: As I stated before, you're determining facts based on double hearsay - you read what the reporter wrote about what someone may have told her. If there were a good investigation, one thing it would do is have people interviewed and actua

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nk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: UnivCity@list.purple.com Sent: Tue, 29 May 2007 11:28 pm Subject: Re: [UC] The UCD answer As I stated before: "As far as what they were asked to do, they were asked to set "everything" up and the setup included Knox for Mayor posters. How

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PROTECTED]; UnivCity@list.purple.com Sent: Tue, 29 May 2007 8:54 am Subject: Re: [UC] The UCD answer "Finally, I think people opposed to community service should argue for the abolition of the practice by the court system, not the agencies that provide the placements. I see th

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As I stated before: "As far as what they were asked to do, they were asked to set "everything" up and the setup included Knox for Mayor posters. How much more clear can it be? It doesn't matter what they were asked to do with them (unless it was to leave them alone) or if they refused. Wh

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Glenn, you are taking a page from Al Krigman here, and it does not become you. Affecting respect for your peers by using titles, but misnaming those you apparently hold in low regard is childish, and both of you know better. I don't recall hearing in these accounts that the students involved i

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exchanges, though. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of UNIVERSITY*CITOYEN Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 12:27 AM To: UnivCity@list.purple.com Subject: Re: [UC] The UCD answer Bill Sanderson wrote: > I disagree. The term as Glenn used i

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D] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; UnivCity@list.purple.com Subject: Re: [UC] The UCD answer Glenn, please read your posts and ask yourself: why would any civilized person feel the need to reply to me, or interact with me in any way, when I write about him/her using this language? Melani Lamond Dear Melan

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your neighbor, Glenny, glenn . - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; UnivCity@list.purple.com Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 12:26 PM Subject: Re: [UC] The UCD answer On

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> On 5/29/07, Kyle Cassidy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This is my favorite of Glenn's questions: > > > >Windhole Lewis, "yo dude, I don't know nothin', I don't see nothing, > and I don't give a damn 'cause I'm the UCD man." > > > Sadly, I think that Glenn has already abandoned his pledges to

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On 5/29/07, Kyle Cassidy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: This is my favorite of Glenn's questions: >Windhole Lewis, "yo dude, I don't know nothin', I don't see nothing, and I don't give a damn 'cause I'm the UCD man." Sort of reminds me of the old Fugs' classic, "CIA Man". Give me some time to

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This is my favorite of Glenn's questions: >Windhole Lewis, "yo dude, I don't know nothin', I don't see nothing, and I don't give a damn 'cause I'm the UCD man." >Please answer my questions about probationers, >Glenn You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named "Univ

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le to the people of Philadelphia or the Penn community? - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: UnivCity@list.purple.com Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 8:10 AM Subject: Re: [UC] The UCD answer In a message dated 5/29/2007 12:30:31 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED

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x27;cause I'm the UCD man." Please answer my questions about probationers, Glenn - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: UnivCity@list.purple.com Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 2:06 PM Subject: Fwd: [UC] The UCD answer Since you're all into fish

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Ray wrote: sorry, this is argument, and I'm not engaging in arguing, that was the deal. why not try again, but in a way that's not 'I'm right and you're wrong' and instead 'here's what I think', as others have already done. for example, how would you rephrase the 4 ideas? I'm not interested i

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Ray, Are you saying, then, he advised you to answer a direct question when courteously posed by others, in the course of a conversation? That's a wise recommendation on his part. You should abide by it in every post you write. -- Tony West my high school english teacher had a good piece of a

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In a message dated 5/29/2007 12:30:31 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: this court, not penn, hears the cases and hands out sentences to offenders (students and non-students). these sentences are for offenses that occur in university city district and the 3rd, 6th, 9th,

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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (And, yes, I'm looking forward to upgrading my summer wardrobe at the Second Mile Center's 50% discount sale tomorrow. What can even the people who are envious of my mature good looks and scintillating personality possibly find wrong with that?) haha -- gotta lov

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Anthony West wrote: So far, I am Ray's only conversant. Frank mistook this as a sign of hatred; I experience it rather as a sign of rare respect for Ray, since I am one of the few readers who care to look for nuggets of insight in his posts. Thus, I offer one response to his introduction and

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Bill Sanderson wrote: I disagree. The term as Glenn used it implies the involvement of a governmental body-the court system. This wasn't the case here. The initial press report used imprecise language, which led to confusion on this issue. We now know that there was no such court system involv

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Could we vote that the below occur more often and with greater consistency? On Mon, 28 May 2007 14:56:10 -0400 "Kyle Cassidy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Across the country small children are being given Time Outs by their parents without due process, fraternities are being put on academic probat

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I think you have found another worthy windmill. Across the country small children are being given Time Outs by their parents without due process, fraternities are being put on academic probation without the intervention of judges, and 8th graders are being assigned detentions without a court a

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- Original Message - From: Bill Sanderson To: UnivCity@list.purple.com Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 8:28 PM Subject: RE: [UC] The UCD answer I disagree. The term as Glenn used it implies the involvement of a governmental body-the court system. This wasn't the case

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-Original Message- From: Glenn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Brian Siano <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Univcity Cc: kyle cassidy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sun, 27 May 2007 7:12 pm Subject: Re: [UC] The UCD answer And even by the generally accepted defin

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So far, I am Ray's only conversant. Frank mistook this as a sign of hatred; I experience it rather as a sign of rare respect for Ray, since I am one of the few readers who care to look for nuggets of insight in his posts. Thus, I offer one response to his introduction and four to his set of ide

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All day long, they work so hard, till the sun goes down, Working o-on the parkways and darkways, and wearing ... wearing a frown. I see them texting their lives away, And this is what I read them say: Oh, don't you know, that's the sound of the men working on the Penn Gang, Oh, don't you know, tha

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lding or wherever. At least it wasn't a rooster in Clark Park! _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 12:09 PM To: UnivCity@list.purple.com Subject: Re: [UC] The UCD answer In a message dated 5/27/2007 1

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which, in general, I suspect is true. _ From: Glenn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 8:20 AM To: Bill Sanderson; UnivCity@list.purple.com Subject: Re: [UC] The UCD answer Bill, what policies? That is the point, none of us can know if Mr. Fenton broke polici

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nced. Glenn PS: By the way, your analogy with your use of "slumlord" is a false analogy. - Original Message ----- From: "Brian Siano" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Univcity" Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 2:40 PM Subject: Re: [UC] The UCD answer [EMAIL PR

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le Cassidy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Bill Sanderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; UnivCity@list.purple.com Sent: Sun, 27 May 2007 9:41 am Subject: Re: [UC] The UCD answer ? - Original Message - From: "Kyle Cassidy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>? To: "Glenn" <[EMAI

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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 5/27/2007 10:12:51 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Can you provide a usage of this that's not invented by you? I checked out dictionary.com and found these: 1. a person who is confined in prison or kept in cust

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In a message dated 5/27/2007 10:12:51 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Can you provide a usage of this that's not invented by you? I checked out dictionary.com and found these: 1. a person who is confined in prison or kept in custody, esp. as the result o

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>Again with the comprehension problems, Cassidy? >A prisoner is not just defined as one who resides in a prison. The people >in the "community service" program are forced against their will to provide >free labor as a form of punishment. If they refuse, the punishment gets >more severe. The

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- Original Message - From: "Kyle Cassidy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Glenn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Bill Sanderson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 8:38 AM Subject: RE: [UC] The UCD answer All we know about this ill

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. The rest of us will be troublemakers, Trustafarians, curmudgeons, criminals, crazy, etc, etc. Now, the UCD creation has more eyes upon it, so we will see if that makes a difference. Glenn - Original Message - From: "UNIVERSITY*CITOYEN" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Uni

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>All we know about this illegal abuse of prisoner labor Prisoner labor? I missed this, what prison did he come from? Please give us the details. And I think that you meant to put "alleged" in there somewhere, because I'm sure a civil rights activist such as yourself would not advocate that s

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nd my position, Glenn - Original Message - From: Bill Sanderson To: UnivCity@list.purple.com Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2007 4:42 PM Subject: RE: [UC] The UCD answer I really don't see anything to be alarmed at here. You are reading a great deal into this second-hand acc

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Glenn wrote: For us to have one shred of respect for Wendell Lewis and the UCD board, they must immediately release the details of their written protocol or policy for the use of these "community service prisoners." glenn, the only thing on ucd's website I could find about this 'policy' is h

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or that any policies were transgressed. _ From: Glenn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2007 3:26 PM To: Bill Sanderson; UnivCity@list.purple.com Subject: Re: [UC] The UCD answer Yes >From the UC Review: "According to Walker, the director of the

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ered the full written policy the day after the Daily News story. This is not how a responsible publicly accountable organization shares information with the community it serves. Glenn - Original Message - From: Bill Sanderson To: UnivCity@list.purple.com Sent: Saturday, May

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@list.purple.com Subject: [UC] The UCD answer I'm catching up on the developments. I've worked with John Fenton in the past and he is the only UCD leader I would trust. It is so obvious to me that he is the fall guy. UCD's answer really completes the outrage. I hope John stands u

[UC] The UCD answer

I'm catching up on the developments. I've worked with John Fenton in the past and he is the only UCD leader I would trust. It is so obvious to me that he is the fall guy. UCD's answer really completes the outrage. I hope John stands up and tells the actual story behind this policy. I really ho

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