Jeff Fink posted
and
Jones Beene replied
BTW - although Palin was probably a positive choice for McCain, given
all the demographics, it is turning out not to be anywhere near the
brilliant strategy that it first seemed. He shoulda gone with Condi.
The liberal media destroyed Condi way in
Jed Rothwell posted;
I think Palin is a lot smarter than she comes across as. She and some
other modern politicians have developed the art of looking like
aw-shucks, awkward, common folk.
Good point. OTOH, that's how you get elected. The characterization of
her as trailer trash really burns
They're baaack part II.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7634641.stm
Yes, yes, yes the megaphone of public office. Most of what they say is true.
But guys, that's some fine silk you're wearing and you don't really need a
cathedral to preach from as Christ did it in the open air. The land
Vo,
I'll get to what I have say after this agreement with Ed and Jed (Ed and
Jed, huh, got a nice ring to it):-
Only 20% are defaulting on their mortgages. Now applying real-politik,
regardless of what one may think about subsiding bums, brothers and latinos
(as you may see them) the GOP would
The 20% scheme would work as a gov. loan. They won't meet the repayments and
will start to falter gradually beyond the next election, the housing market
will be propped up (if anything rising again) so that the owners will sell
down and the government will get their money back. Giving them 6
From Remi Cornwall:
They're baaack part II.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7634641.stm
Yes, yes, yes the megaphone of public office. Most of what they say is true.
But guys, that's some fine silk you're wearing and you don't really need a
cathedral to preach from as Christ did it
I bet this device look familiar to a few vorts!
See:
http://blog.wired.com/defense/2008/09/chinese-buildin.html
Regards
Steven Vincent Johnson
www.OrionWorks.com
www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Talking of calibre, done anything worth recognising? Hold any positions in
academia or industry? Walked the talk? What good works do you do? I'm not
being confrontational, I'm just asking, right? Don't take it personally.
-Original Message-
From: OrionWorks [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Mysterious New 'Dark Flow' Discovered in Space
By Clara Moskowitz
Staff Writer
posted: 23 September 2008
12:46 pm ET
As if the mysteries of dark matter and dark energy weren't vexing
enough, another baffling cosmic puzzle has been discovered.
Patches
For those who have not been following the news and do not have a fixed
opinion about the financial problems, let me add a bit of reality.
The collapse of the mortgage market was the event that started the
collapse but it was not the true cause. The big problem is the
derivative market.
OrionWorks wrote:
I bet this device look familiar to a few vorts!
See:
http://blog.wired.com/defense/2008/09/chinese-buildin.html
Uh -- not me; looks sort of like an antique picture tube, maybe, but I
don't recognize it.
I notice Emdrive hasn't gotten as far as running a spell
On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 6:56 AM, Remi Cornwall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
No more interest only mortgages
You might be interested to know that the interest only loans
originated in the UK in the 80s. AAMOF my wife, a home mortgage
underwriter, actually refers to them as a LIBOR, which is
Wow, the church stepping in, in a bid to get more bums on pews and to have
'faith'.
This *problem is man-made*. Recessions caused by forces beyond man's control
are regrettable; these would include crop blight, bad weather, pandemic
disease etc.
Yes the insurance industries are under much
Part 3 in a continuing effort to flesh out a workable hypothesis for energy
gainfulness from bosonic low energy paired-lithium reactions - aka
dilithium.
In the most general terms, an exciton is an ostensibly *neutral* (in charge)
agglomeration of atoms which is in a state of electrical
- Original Message -
From: Stephen A. Lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thursday, September 25, 2008 11:18 am
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Chinese building space drive unit
OrionWorks wrote:
I bet this device look familiar to a few vorts!
See:
Yes. It is more the opposite, but every step you take, you push the
Earth, and she pushes back at you. The Earth pushes a hell of a lot
harder, but you DO have an effect on the motion of the Earth, however
infintesimal, with each step.
On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 9:38 AM, Harry Veeder [EMAIL
On Sep 25, 2008, at 7:05 AM, Harry Veeder wrote:
Mysterious New 'Dark Flow' Discovered in Space
By Clara Moskowitz
Staff Writer
posted: 23 September 2008
12:46 pm ET
As if the mysteries of dark matter and dark energy weren't vexing
enough, another baffling cosmic
http://tinyurl.com/3w9fa4
Best regards,
Horace Heffner
http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/
On Sep 25, 2008, at 6:45 AM, OrionWorks wrote:
See:
http://blog.wired.com/defense/2008/09/chinese-buildin.html
Regards
Steven Vincent Johnson
www.OrionWorks.com
www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Thanks for posting. I'm glad to see the dream lives on.
Best regards,
Horace Heffner
Sobering and provoking thoughts from Remi, Ed, and Terry. Gives me the shudders.
I find it curious that the consumer credit card industry doesn't seem
to have been mentioned in this mess, or perhaps I missed that aspect.
Considering the huge credit card debt load that our population has
On Sep 25, 2008, at 11:51 AM, OrionWorks wrote:
Sobering and provoking thoughts from Remi, Ed, and Terry. Gives me
the shudders.
I find it curious that the consumer credit card industry doesn't seem
to have been mentioned in this mess, or perhaps I missed that aspect.
Considering the huge
I asked a friend once: How do things get their price?
The price of something is whatever someone is prepared to pay for it.
A false economy of credit is a house of cards. To me, in my simple way of
thinking, money must ultimately come down to some form of barter for labour
or resources.
I just
That is true but that is not what I mean.
Imagine you are the ball and you are resting wrt to the table and the
earth. A cue or another ball hits you so you move at 1 m/s wrt to the
table. Would you be so self-centred as to claim you are still resting,
and that the table and the earth are now
Actually, credit is essential in an active economy. For example,
suppose I want to start a business making widgets. Before I can get
any income from their sale, I have to buy the machinery and hire
people. This takes money up front, which must be borrowed. Once again,
this is not rocket
Of course Ed! That's the normal business cycle.
But the concept has been corrupted by people never wanting to repay or
ultimately give value.
I am sickened. For the years you and I have done good work (I'm ok now by
the way for funding) and suggested to state and market that they have the
vision
See:
http://www.project10tothe100.com/index.html
I submitted an application to this project. Not expecting a response,
but anyway, I have covered this.
In the application form field #11, Describe your idea in more depth.
(maximum 300 words) I wrote the following:
Cold fusion (the
Hope this works Jed, or at least makes people aware.
Ed
On Sep 25, 2008, at 2:00 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
See:
http://www.project10tothe100.com/index.html
I submitted an application to this project. Not expecting a
response, but anyway, I have covered this.
In the application form field
* SEVEN PHASE PAPER * History-Theory-Present application: #7
RE: //HADRON//Suisse
RE: The Solution/expansion of the Podkletnov 'indicative-assertion' via
Einstein upgrade-inversion solving his Unified Field equations which lead in
turn to discovery of Transdimensional
* SEVEN PHASE PAPER * History-Theory-Present application: #5
RE: //HADRON//Suisse
* * JAKE LEV-HARBACH/O'Sullivan * *
* * * The EARLY DAYS of DARK-ENERGY-SuperMembrane/HyperGravity Physics/AEthryc
Physics* * * ~THE OMNIVERSE~ * * * DARK-ENERGY/AEthyr
* SEVEN PHASE PAPER * History-Theory-Present application: #4
RE: //HADRON//Suisse
//Jake-Lev Harbach/O'Sullivan\\
* * * PROJECTION: What a 'Headline!' * * * * * * * THE DAY THE EARTH STANDS
STILL; just before it performs TRANSIDIMENSIONAL GYMNASTICS and TIME LINIARITY
is simply: NO
if you are choosing that ball as a frame of refference, then that
would be true. The point of relativity is that there is no central
frame of refference, just what you choose. its not conceit, its
reality.
On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 11:49 AM, Harry Veeder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
That is true but
People should vote for me next year. I will remind everyone -- if I
remember. Quote from:
http://www.project10tothe100.com/how_it_works.html
How it works
Project 10^100 (pronounced Project 10 to the 100th) is a call for
ideas to change the world by helping as many people as possible.
Here's
Well, do you think it will happen?
* SEVEN PHASE PAPER * History-Theory-Present application: #2
RE: //HADRON//Suisse
* * * * GOOGLE.COM---'General Science Journal' site Jake Lev-Harbach aka
http://www.wbabin.net/comments/harbach.htm --- and also ---
http://www.zpenergy/downloads/Jake_Harbach.pdf
* Jake
* SEVEN PHASE PAPER * History-Theory-Present application: #1RE:
//HADRON//Suisse
* * * * SUPER-Membrane/HYPER-Gravity DARK ENERGY PHYSICS* * * * Collider as
PLASMA-BREACH GrayHole Singularity DARKENERGY/HYPERGRAVITY accessing REACTOR
* * * * GOOGLE.COM---'General Science
Hi Jed,
Very well put and thanks for submitting it. I hope they get the message.
Hoyt Stearns
Scottsdale, Arizona US
-Original Message-
From: Jed Rothwell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
See:
http://www.project10tothe100.com/index.html
I submitted an application to this project. Not
On Sep 25, 2008, at 2:24 PM, Remi Cornwall wrote:
Well, do you think it will happen?
No. Hopefully some of the people will spend some time either in jail
or trying to keep out of jail. Even this is not certain. We all know
that in politics, the bigger the lie the more it is believed
Credit and confidence are essential for the creation of wealth. As Ed points
out credit is needed to buy the menas for future production, whether of
crops or goods. Confidence, or trust, is essential that the loan will be
repaid. Whether implemented by barter, money, or credit cards, the
Remi Cornwall wrote:
Well, do you think it will happen?
Nope. And I see no grounds for it, either. Bush had permission from
Congress to do everything he did. I do not like Bush, but to blame
this entire situation on him is absurd in my opinion. Millions of
other people are at fault.
I blame Bush and his attitude because it was the philosophy he
supported that removed the necessary controls from the credit market.
There is nothing mysterious or difficult to understand about what
will happen when children are allowed to do anything they want. Many
people pointed out
In reply to Jed Rothwell's message of Thu, 25 Sep 2008 16:00:51 -0400:
Hi,
[snip]
Experts at the Naval Research Laboratory estimate that
cold fusion can be fully developed and commercialized for roughly
$300 million to $600 million, which is what it cost to develop
similar surface effect,
Robin van Spaandonk wrote:
Experts at the Naval Research Laboratory estimate that
cold fusion can be fully developed and commercialized for roughly
$300 million to $600 million . . .
[snip]
If my device works, it could be thousands of times more effective than the
current CF reactors, and
Looks like a new energy bubble forming...
This time those in the field must maintain transparency. 'scalled peer
review.
On Sep 25, 2008, at 3:20 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Robin van Spaandonk wrote:
Experts at the Naval Research Laboratory estimate that
cold fusion can be fully developed and commercialized for roughly
$300 million to $600 million . . .
[snip]
If my device works, it could be thousands of times
Edmund Storms wrote:
At ICCF-14 another NRL person told me, we are one breakthrough away
from a practical device. . . .
No one is even close to a breakthrough until the mechanism is
understood.
Well, I think the gist of the NRL guy's comment was that Pam Boss's
neutrons or something like
In reply to Jed Rothwell's message of Thu, 25 Sep 2008 17:20:27 -0400:
Hi,
[snip]
Robin van Spaandonk wrote:
Experts at the Naval Research Laboratory estimate that
cold fusion can be fully developed and commercialized for roughly
$300 million to $600 million . . .
[snip]
If my device works,
Um . . . I hesitate to mention this . . . but the messages in this
thread by Mr. Jac triggered my e-mail spam filter. I find that telling.
- Jed
In reply to Edmund Storms's message of Thu, 25 Sep 2008 15:33:40 -0600:
Hi,
[snip]
No one is even close to a breakthrough until the mechanism is
understood. Simply replicating a process that works is only the first
step. This only makes possible a search for the mechanism, a process
that
I've seen a repeated posting with fantastical ideas about aether and
parallel universes. Now really, come on!
Whether it is private or public money you need to have projects with clear
objectives backed up with some testable theory or suppositions.
The way they work these things is bit by bit
In reply to Jed Rothwell's message of Thu, 25 Sep 2008 17:48:07 -0400:
Hi,
[snip]
Frankly, even $100 million cannot guarantee clear thinking or a breakthrough.
[snip]
There is no such thing as a perfect guarantee.
Regards,
Robin van Spaandonk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Robin van Spaandonk wrote:
Well, it would still cost hundreds of millions to make it into a
practical device.
No, that's precisely the difference. CF as it stands rarely yields
an excess of
more than a few percent (and when it does, no one understands why).
That's incorrect on two counts:
On Sep 25, 2008, at 3:48 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Edmund Storms wrote:
At ICCF-14 another NRL person told me, we are one breakthrough away
from a practical device. . . .
No one is even close to a breakthrough until the mechanism is
understood.
Well, I think the gist of the NRL guy's
Buried inside a CNN story it says:
One Republican aide said that not much has changed in the last 24 to
48 hours. I think it has to be pretty radically altered for House
Republicans to support it.
This aide stressed, at the end of the day, these members represent
the people who sent them
Yes with serious people doing serious research interfacing with a closed
minded establishment.
It takes patience but the model is clear: have theories/suppositions that
are testable so a project can have milestones.
A bit like a pop song, a project needs a hook - something catchy and robust
that
In reply to Horace Heffner's message of Thu, 25 Sep 2008 09:02:06 -0800:
Hi,
[snip]
Another alternative explanation is that the stuff is being *pushed*
by an invisible clump of negative gravitational charge matter that is
located in the visible part of the universe.
Best regards,
Horace
In reply to Edmund Storms's message of Thu, 25 Sep 2008 16:05:23 -0600:
Hi,
[snip]
Everyone has their hopes and dreams. Next, a person needs to get other
people to follow their lead, which is not easy to do even under the
best of circumstances. This process will take years. Meanwhile enjoy
Come on Jed, Obama doesn't want this poisoned chalice. He's a young man and
can come back in a few years after helping to draft the regulations in the
senate. He'll make his name there. Does he have the sheer guts and force of
personality to push through something that will be seen as un-American
Edmund Storms wrote:
I wish the Boss work were a breakthrough. Unfortunately, the process
that makes apparent neutron emission during co-deposition cannot be
operating in a heat-producing cell.
Well, that means it is not practical breakthrough but it still might
illuminate the mechanism as I
Remi Cornwall wrote:
Come on Jed, Obama doesn't want this poisoned chalice.
Do you mean the bailout, or the job as President? He demands changes
to the bailout, along the lines I mentioned: that it should punish
the wrongdoers and compensate the taxpayers. See his web site for
details. I
From: Jed Rothwell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 25 September 2008 23:55
To: vortex-L@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC News of the bailout
If you want to hear what iron-clad determination in the face of disaster
sounds like, listen to FDR on audio here:
Of course the project name is not innocent, 10^100 is also known as 1
googol, whose misspelling as google is claimed to be the origin of
the name of the company :)
Michel
Lots of good stuff: http://www.capmag.com/
_
From: Jed Rothwell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 25 September 2008 23:55
To: vortex-L@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC News of the bailout
- Jed
In reply to Mike Carrell's message of Thu, 25 Sep 2008 16:47:34 -0400:
Hi,
[snip]
Fundmentally, it depends on energy, the energy of human intelligence, and
the physical energy to do work of all kinds.
[snip]
...and this is why a new source of essentially unlimited energy can lead to a
golden age
In reply to Jed Rothwell's message of Thu, 25 Sep 2008 18:01:45 -0400:
Hi,
[snip]
Robin van Spaandonk wrote:
Well, it would still cost hundreds of millions to make it into a
practical device.
No, that's precisely the difference. CF as it stands rarely yields
an excess of
more than a few
In reply to Edmund Storms's message of Thu, 25 Sep 2008 16:05:23 -0600:
Hi Ed,
[snip]
Evidence is growing for several mechanisms to be
operating. We know that tritium can be produced on occasion without
neutrons. Perhaps, the same mechanism makes neutrons without tritium.
[snip]
I find this
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