http://www.bucksright.com/bush-proposed-fannie-mae-freddie-mac-supervision-i
n-2003-1141
http://www.audacityofhypocrisy.com/2008/09/18/ny-times-sept-2003-bush-propos
ed-tightening-oversight-of-fannie-mae-and-freddie-mac-the-democrats-of-congr
ess-blocked-it/
Apparently democrats received
Jed Rothwell wrote on 25 Sep 2008:
Experts at the Naval Research Laboratory estimate that
cold fusion can be fully developed and commercialized
for roughly $300 million to $600 million, which is what
it cost to develop similar surface effect, solid-state
devices such as the Aegis radar.
Robin
- Original Message -
From: Jed Rothwell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
snip
Quoting Ed Storms:
It is not necessary for the breakthrough to lead
directly to a practical device.
I agree with Ed about this, but it should be noted that other people such
as Mike Melich feel that theory is somewhat
The choice is always the lesser of two evils. We never get perfection.
Obama has less baggage than McCain, he is smarter, and he has a better
plan. God only knows how well he will work out. People voted for Bush
and Nixon with high expectations and look what happened. Each
president does
Mike Carrell wrote:
The phase shifting means is proprietary. Melich could be correct
that its formulation was empirical, but it was well withing
established knowledge.
He was discussing the materials used to make the components, not the
electronics. The materials were tested and improved
- Original Message
From: Edmund Storms
The choice is always the lesser of two evils. We never get perfection. Obama
has less baggage than McCain, he is smarter, and he has a better plan.
Far less baggage --
... and speaking of the overloaded portmanteau almost too ponderous to
- Original Message
... apparently Remi does not remember the infamous Keating Five -
... from the net, a little refresher lesson in how recent political history
has this nagging tendency to repeat itself every new generation:
John McCain The Ghost of Keating Five
posted last week
From: Edmund Storms [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
We never get perfection.
I'll take that as an admission.
From: Edmund Storms [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Obama has less baggage than McCain, he is smarter, and he has a better
plan.
Plan for less not more government.
The choice is always
A plague on both their houses!
The less government the better. Trust your constitution that's why it was
written.
New energy will empower people to self-reliance.
-Original Message-
From: Jones Beene [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 26 September 2008 16:08
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
From Remi Cornwall
The less government the better. Trust your constitution that's why it was
written.
Silly me to think this but less government would appear to have
resulted in nobody minding the store, nor the constitution for that
matter. And look where that got us.
Regardless of whether
From Harry Veeder
Published this year
http://www.amazon.com/Things-That-Dont-Make-Sense/dp/0385520689
Thirteen Things That Don't Make Sense: The Most Baffling Scientific
Mysteries of Our Time
It has a chapter on cold fusion.
Harry
Exerpt:
To be sure, some of the chapters are more
Though I guess your thinking is: we'll either have big corporations or big
government and the same people will end up on the board of either.
Ultimately when seeking funds we end up facing old money and they get a
seat on the board.
Human nature being what it is, the same practices would get
Although the problems of any large country like the USA moving to a hydrogen
economy are too severe to even consider, at least without many breakthroughs in
a number of fields - and in all likelihood we cannot afford H2 as even a
partial solution for transportation fuel with present technology,
Less government on the individual. MORE on the corporation. and lets
remove this political fiction of coorp as person, please!
On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 8:27 AM, Remi Cornwall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
A plague on both their houses!
The less government the better. Trust your constitution that's
I'm not convinced about the need for more government.
It attracts the Machiavellian type who don't deal in facts and distort truth
(such as blaming the credit crunch on the free market when the demos vetoed
reform).
It attracts unproductive hangers-on to big public projects.
It has allowed the
On Sep 25, 2008, at 11:05 PM, Robin van Spaandonk wrote:
In reply to Edmund Storms's message of Thu, 25 Sep 2008 16:05:23
-0600:
Hi Ed,
[snip]
Evidence is growing for several mechanisms to be
operating. We know that tritium can be produced on occasion without
neutrons. Perhaps, the same
The American constitution was formed with the concept of freedom for
people, and that coorporations would do their best to oppress people.
And they were right. They had the East Indies Trading Company, they
knew what evil could be done. If such large businesses are allowed to
exist, they must be
From Remi Cornwall:
I'm not convinced about the need for more government.
It attracts the Machiavellian type who don't deal in facts and distort truth
(such as blaming the credit crunch on the free market when the demos vetoed
reform).
It attracts unproductive hangers-on to big public
How do you regulate government then? Who governs the governors? When do
governments vote themselves less power?
I'm in agreement about corporations.
-Original Message-
From: leaking pen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 26 September 2008 18:08
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:OFF
The power of government always grows. This is a fact of life just like
death and taxes. Complaining does no good and is a waste of time.
The voters slightly control the rate of growth if they pay attention.
Successful people find ways to use the system or to work under the
radar. Right
Remi Cornwall wrote:
How do you regulate government then? Who governs the governors? When do
governments vote themselves less power?
That's a odd question. Democratic governments never vote on anything.
Only the voters do.
US and British voters have repeatedly given our governments
What is a government? You treat it like some seperate entity. It
shouldn't be. Government is society. It is US. A government should
be a tool of a society to set up its rules. If it becomes seperate
from that society, well, its no longer needed.
On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 10:31 AM, Remi
- Original Message -
From: Jones Beene [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: vortex vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 12:13 PM
Subject: [Vo]:H2 Storage
Although the problems of any large country like the USA moving to a
hydrogen economy are too severe to even consider, at least
Ed: what you say sounds cynical and jaded.
Jed*: If you think they give back 'their' powers then I think you are living
in cloud cuckoo land.
Leaking Pen: The government **IS** the biggest **corporation** bar-none.
It's the biggest show in town for the old bloods since we won't worship them
Harry Veeder posted
Mysterious New 'Dark Flow' Discovered in Space
By Clara Moskowitz
As if the mysteries of dark matter and dark energy weren't vexing
enough, another baffling cosmic puzzle has been discovered.
Interesting subject Harry. I've been studying the writings of the
On Sep 26, 2008, at 12:18 PM, Remi Cornwall wrote:
Ed: what you say sounds cynical and jaded.
I suppose it does to someone who believes in the ideal function of
government. However, if you examine the actual behavior, you will find
that the number of laws always grow in number and
Remi Cornwall wrote:
Jed*: If you think they give back 'their' powers then I think you are living
in cloud cuckoo land.
I said the voters took power back. Please do not distort my words.
Are you under the impression that tax rates in the U.S. are still
90%? Is rationing still imposed in the
On Sep 26, 2008, at 12:41 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Edmund Storms wrote:
The power of government always grows.
Except when it shrinks.
Of course some laws are repealed and some are no longer enforced
unless you get caught doing something that threatens the government.
Nevertheless, the
-Original Message-
From: Jones Beene [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 11:08 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC News of the bailout
- Original Message
... apparently Remi does not remember the infamous Keating Five -
... from
Jed Rothwell posted;
Meanwhile, I am sorry to report that McCain has pulled dead even with
Obama in the polls. See:
http://gallup.com/home.aspx
http://webmail.usfamily.net/web/services/go.php?url=http%3A%2F%2Fgallup.com%2Fhome.aspx
Yes!! I'm going to put my McCain sign on my house, along
Good post Jed.
Yes the view of history depends on your race. Yes there are shenanigans down
south putting people off voting.
Seen from their perspective they might cynically say that universal suffrage
was just a bid to get poor, desperate voters - a guaranteed pool of votes.
Some might even say
I guess you'd make a great Chinese citizen.
-Original Message-
From: Edmund Storms [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 26 September 2008 19:48
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Cc: Edmund Storms
Subject: Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC News of the bailout
On Sep 26, 2008, at 12:18 PM, Remi Cornwall wrote:
Ed:
Remi Cornwall wrote:
The price of freedom is eternal vigilance.
I just want to stop this simplistic notion GOP/Tory = bad, Labour/Democrat =
Good, more government = good. There are false prophets.
I do not think anyone here has made such a simplistic assertion. We
have all read history
Are you sure?
From: Jed Rothwell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Any law can be repealed.
The public are infantilised, not talk how to think, how to have any dignity
for themselves, putty infinitely mouldable in the hands of the elite.
Jed, a lie's a lie. A pig with its nose in the trough
On Sep 26, 2008, at 1:10 PM, Remi Cornwall wrote:
I guess you'd make a great Chinese citizen.
Frankly I do not have any idea what you mean or the relevance of the
comment. For your information, recognizing how a government operates
does not mean that I wish for this behavior to
I doubt that any argument would change your mind, Thomas. Given your
expressed values, I expect you voted for Bush. Are you happy with this
vote? Has your life improved? If it has, then you are one of the few
lucky people who would certainly like the good times to continue. If
not, why
From Remi:
Was it Gene Hackman in a film I can't remember with this line
You're either police or little people.
I believe you are referring to a memorable quote from the famous film,
Blad Runner with Harrison Ford as Deckard. See: Memorable quotes for
Blade Runner:
Not from torture or mind control though.
-Original Message-
From: Edmund Storms [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
If you were a doctor, your patient would have died long ago.
Ed
-Original Message-
From: Edmund Storms [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 26 September 2008 19:48
To:
Ed,
A McCain/Palin administration does not represent a continuation.
What you wanna do? Change the name of the country too?
-Original Message-
From: Edmund Storms [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 26 September 2008 20:27
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Cc: Edmund Storms
Subject: Re:
Remi Cornwall wrote:
Are you sure?
Yes, I have read history, and lived through it, and I am sure things
were much worse in the past. I am also sure they can get worse again.
The public are infantilised, not talk how to think, how to have any
dignity for themselves, putty infinitely
On Sep 26, 2008, at 1:36 PM, Remi Cornwall wrote:
Ed,
A McCain/Palin administration does not represent a continuation.
I wish you were right about this opinion. However, the easily verified
facts say that you are not right. Of course, any fact can be ignored
if you insist on keeping an
How does the liberal code of movie production run, like this?
1) Aim low then lower still. Hate you country, let the bad win, let the good
suffer. Bamboozle, perplex.
2) Incorrect standards of life will be seen as thought provoking: man
married to sister both marrying a sheep. Vegan cats.
3)
From Mike Carrell:
From: Jones Beene
Although the problems of any large country like the USA moving to a
hydrogen economy are too severe to even consider, at least without many
breakthroughs in a number of fields - and in all likelihood we cannot afford
H2 as even a partial solution for
No opinions in science Ed. Won't keep banging on about the same thing if
it's leading nowhere.
-Original Message-
From: Edmund Storms [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 26 September 2008 20:44
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Cc: Edmund Storms
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Impeachment
On Sep 26, 2008, at 1:36
- Original Message
Mike
BLP has made a significant breakthrough with its solid fuel technology and
is now moving toward commercialization with a utility scale reactor and
local hydrogen generators
for hydrogen-converted cars. These are a couple of years away yet, but the
basic
From Remi:
How does the liberal code of movie production run, like this?
1) Aim low then lower still. Hate you country, let the bad win,
let the good suffer. Bamboozle, perplex.
2) Incorrect standards of life will be seen as thought provoking:
man married to sister both marrying a sheep.
-Original Message-
From: Jeff Fink [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 3:17 PM
To: 'vortex-l@eskimo.com'
Subject: RE: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC News of the bailout
Could we say that most of the problems with the US government can be traced
to areas where it extends beyond
Remi Cornwall wrote:
How does the liberal code of movie production run, like this?
1) Aim low then lower still. Hate you country, let the bad win, let the good
suffer. Bamboozle, perplex.
2) Incorrect standards of life will be seen as thought provoking: man
married to sister both marrying a
i would think many of the issues i have with it are with constitution
rights given to things that dont deserve them.
On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 1:10 PM, Jeff Fink [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
-Original Message-
From: Jeff Fink [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 3:17
OrionWorks wrote:
From Remi:
Was it Gene Hackman in a film I can't remember with this line
You're either police or little people.
I believe you are referring to a memorable quote from the famous film,
Blad Runner with Harrison Ford as Deckard. See: Memorable quotes for
Blade Runner:
Actually, only the Supreme Court can answer this question and they
show no interest in doing so. The cause of the problem is obvious to
anyone who has looked at reality. Many mistakes were made, but each
has been identified and attempts will be made to apply a correction.
Of course, the
I seem to recall that it wasnt that a human wouldn't swat it, its that
a human wouldnt know waht a bee was.
I could be wrong.
On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 1:17 PM, Stephen A. Lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
OrionWorks wrote:
From Remi:
Was it Gene Hackman in a film I can't remember with this
Wow! Team America on the TV. See ya.
-Original Message-
From: OrionWorks [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 26 September 2008 20:58
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC News of the bailout
From Remi:
How does the liberal code of movie production run, like this?
1) Aim
Jeff Fink wrote:
Could we say that most of the problems with the US government can be traced
to areas where it extends beyond its constitutional limits?
I would go along with that. It is hard to say whether it is most or
many or some of the most serious but that surely is a problem.
The
leaking pen wrote:
I seem to recall that it wasnt that a human wouldn't swat it, its that
a human wouldnt know waht a bee was.
That wasn't the point of the test, at least in the book -- in fact
Deckard may even have explained to her what a bee was when the question
came up; I'm no longer
-Original Message-
From: Edmund Storms [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 4:25 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Cc: Edmund Storms
Subject: Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC News of the bailout
Actually, only the Supreme Court can answer this question and they
show no interest in
On Sep 26, 2008, at 3:53 PM, Jeff Fink wrote:
-Original Message-
From: Edmund Storms [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 4:25 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Cc: Edmund Storms
Subject: Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC News of the bailout
Actually, only the Supreme Court can
Can't argue with that.
I just want to know why when GOP representatives are on TV that they don't
give more history about how this mess came about.
Say it loud, say it proud,
the democrats vetoed reform in 2003
and took money from lobbyists.
They are like tamed pigs in the trough.
But the pool players won't fall over simply because you choose the ball
as your frame of reference throughout the process. You have to choose a
frame a reference which is inertial (at rest or moving with constant
velocity) throughout the entire process, i.e. before, during and after
the collision.
In reply to Taylor J. Smith's message of Fri, 26 Sep 2008 11:41:57 +:
Hi Jack,
[snip]
I have chosen a different approach. Make a guess at the
mechanism, and assume it is correct. Then optimize a design
based upon the guess. Build the design. If the guess was
correct, it will pay off. If not,
Jeff Fink wrote:
Part of Obama's plan to balance
the budget is to subject that 1 1/2% to social security payments as well!
It is part of his plan to redistribute the wealth. . . .
The majority of people endeavor to conduct their lives in such a manner so
as not to be a burden to others.
but, wind patterns DO alter rotation, to a degree.
On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 3:36 PM, Harry Veeder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
But the pool players won't fall over simply because you choose the ball
as your frame of reference throughout the process. You have to choose a
frame a reference which is
Remi Cornwall wrote:
I just want to know why when GOP representatives are on TV that they
don't give more history about how this mess came about.
Say it loud, say it proud,
the democrats vetoed reform in 2003
You seem to be confused about history, or the U.S. system.
The Republicans had a
Tell me, what color is the sky in this fantasy land you live in? Or
is it just too many drugs taken at once?
On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 3:31 PM, Remi Cornwall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Can't argue with that.
I just want to know why when GOP representatives are on TV that they don't
give more
that is not what i mean.
if the wind made the ship sail at 10mph, the person
on the ship knows that neither the wind not anything else
causes the land to move past him at 10mph.
harry
- Original Message -
From: leaking pen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Friday, September 26, 2008 6:44 pm
On Thu, 25 Sep 2008 09:02:06 -0800, you wrote:
On Sep 25, 2008, at 7:05 AM, Harry Veeder wrote:
Mysterious New 'Dark Flow' Discovered in Space
By Clara Moskowitz
Staff Writer
posted: 23 September 2008
12:46 pm ET
As if the mysteries of dark matter and dark
Leak sez:
I seem to recall that it wasnt that a human wouldn't swat it, its that
a human wouldnt know waht a bee was.
I could be wrong.
I have not read PKD's novel, Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep.
However, in the film adaption Blade Runner it seemed obvious to me
that the screen writers
that is not what i mean.
if the wind made the ship sail at 10mph, the person
on the ship knows that neither the wind nor anything else
causes the land to move past him at 10mph.
harry
- Original Message -
From: leaking pen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Friday, September 26, 2008 6:44
In reply to Jed Rothwell's message of Fri, 26 Sep 2008 18:42:24 -0400:
Hi,
[snip]
In an
industrial society, the people who make things must have enough money
to buy those things.
[snip]
If that were the case, there would be none left over for those who don't make
anything.
Regards,
Robin van
you mean, like all the rich that inherit their wealth, and dont do
anything useful with it? They get plenty of things, it seems.
On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 7:18 PM, Robin van Spaandonk
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In reply to Jed Rothwell's message of Fri, 26 Sep 2008 18:42:24 -0400:
Hi,
[snip]
In
Howdy Vorts,
Sec.Henry Paulson announced the bailout of AIG with a loan of $ 85 bil of our
money. Guess which investor gets paid 100 cents on the dollar on this deal??
Goldman-Sachs and Pimco ( Pimpco for the California state pension funds)..
guess who ran Goldman- Sachs before he was appoint
In reply to leaking pen's message of Fri, 26 Sep 2008 19:31:48 -0700:
Hi,
[snip]
you mean, like all the rich that inherit their wealth, and dont do
anything useful with it? They get plenty of things, it seems.
Yes they are amongst those I meant.
The bottom line is that in our current society,
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