Re: [Vo]:Another Defkalion statement on PESN

What do you think the catalyst is at this time? From: Axil Axil To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 1:46 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Another Defkalion statement on PESN Ever since one of our number  “noone noone” posted this   http://www.mail-arc

Re: [Vo]:Another Defkalion statement on PESN

Ever since one of our number “noone noone” posted this http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg49026.html I have been concerned that I have let Rossi’s secret out of the bag to his detriment and that secret has been used by Defkalion Green Technologies to reverse engineer Rossi’s

Re: [Vo]:Another Defkalion statement on PESN

Not really. They probably have enough for testing. A few kilograms is enough for a few hundreds of continuous tests for months. This is why Defkalion is really not that desperate.

Re: [Vo]:Trade secrets do not allow companies to sell products without telling the world what is in them

Jed, composition is not enough. I am talking about lattice defects and how to produce them. This is about arranging nucleus, not really about just chemistry.

Re: [Vo]:The Galantini report examined in detail

At 09:46 PM 8/10/2011, Jed Rothwell wrote: Precision is better than accuracy with thermocouples. That is to say, even if it is 0.4 deg C away from the real temperature (because you do not bother to calibrate) it can still measure a temperature difference of 0.1 deg C with confidence. Not wit

Re: [Vo]:The Galantini report examined in detail

Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: No, they wouldn't. You can use the resolution to make temperature > comparisons. Jed, maybe I misread the specifications. I did not, however, > make this up. And I do know for a fact that most instruments have higher > resolution than accuracy. I have not seen an elec

Re: [Vo]:The Galantini report examined in detail

Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: > The maximum error in the actual measurement, then, will be +/- 0.1 degree, > plus a little, so that it *might* be off by another digit under some > circumstances. I.e, suppose the calibration reads 100.0, but the internals > of the meter is saying 100.0499. So we the

Re: [Vo]:Celani's email on gamma measurements during the January public test

On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 12:01 AM, Akira Shirakawa wrote: > names get translated too (for example Rossi becomes Smith): Rossi becames Smith because in Italy Rossi is a very common name and it's often used as the name of the "average person". John Smith would be Mario Rossi in italian :)

Re: [Vo]:DGT citation: unsuccesful test of end of july 2011

On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 1:02 AM, Angela Kemmler wrote: > citation: > > > The Licence and Technology Transfer Agreement (The LTTA) contains a mile > stone payment arrangement. According to said arrangement, DGT's release of > the first payment to EFA is pending on that EFA meet several technical

Re: [Vo]:Another Defkalion statement on PESN

Daniel Rocha wrote: Alright, so Defkalion has a Kernel for a limited time, while the catalyzer > lasts. And it seems to me that catalyzer is something they apply to nickel > powder. Anyway, since they once they tested a thousand devices > simultaneously and Defkalion is still a young company, it

Re: [Vo]:Trade secrets do not allow companies to sell products without telling the world what is in them

Daniel Rocha wrote: And I imagine that the secret sauce is just a combination of specific > procedures, not the composition of the powder. That is probably true. For conventional chemical catalysts that is usually the situation. Hydrogenation catalysts such as palladium on activated carbon have

Re: [Vo]:The Galantini report examined in detail

At 09:34 PM 8/10/2011, Jouni Valkonen wrote: Galantini stated a fact from manual: «4- The thermometers have a margin of error of +/- 0,05 Celsius» Lomax replied with speculation: «This depends on the probe. However, from other data (such as probe rated temperature of 150 C.) the probe has

Re: [Vo]:The Galantini report examined in detail

I wrote: > Maybe he forgot which probe he used. Again, this is like what you said > above: maybe he did not calibrate. Yes, we all agree that if you don't > calibrate or you use the wrong probe, it does not work. Yes, people do make > mistakes. > To summarize Abd's assertions: If Galantini made

Re: [Vo]:On a Quixotic mission

Is this the whole thing? Does Sam Michael present any evidence that Blacklight Power is a scam? As far as I can tell, Steven Johnson quoted the entire set of assertions: > “Sam” claims: "I take the risk of slander/libel here but must take a stand > to protect investors and the general public abou

Re: [Vo]:The Galantini report examined in detail

At 09:17 PM 8/10/2011, you wrote: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax <a...@lomaxdesign.com> wrote: This depends on the probe. However, from other data (such as probe rated temperature of 150 C.) the probe has an accuracy of +/- 0.4 C. He's greatly overstated the accuracy, it see

Re: [Vo]:Another Defkalion statement on PESN

Alright, so Defkalion has a Kernel for a limited time, while the catalyzer lasts. And it seems to me that catalyzer is something they apply to nickel powder. Anyway, since they once they tested a thousand devices simultaneously and Defkalion is still a young company, it is likely they still have a

Re: [Vo]:Another Defkalion statement on PESN

Daniel Rocha wrote: It doesn't make much sense to me to equalize core and catalyzer. I mean in the context of this discussion we have been treating the two to mean the same thing. Defkalkion calls core+catalyzer a "kernel." > The core is just what Rossi attempted to explain in his patent >

Re: [Vo]:Another Defkalion statement on PESN

It doesn't make much sense to me to equalize core and catalyzer. The core is just what Rossi attempted to explain in his patent application. Catalyzer, as I understand, is an additive to the fuel or part of the fuel. And, as I understand, they could have enough fuel catalyzer to sustain the experi

Re: [Vo]:The Galantini report examined in detail

Jouni Valkonen wrote: > Thermometer must be calibrated in respect of boiling point of water (or > other known temperature that is relevant for what is measured) before it can > be used for accurate measurements. Without calibration, it's accuracy is > just ±0.4°C. But thermometer reproducibility

Re: [Vo]:The Galantini report examined in detail

Sorry about accidental double post. My cell phone blundered and resent old draft. First post is is the correct one, latter is unfortunate draft. —Jouni

Re: [Vo]:The Galantini report examined in detail

Galantini stated a fact from manual: «4- The thermometers have a margin of error of +/- 0,05 Celsius» Lomax replied with speculation: «This depends on the probe. However, from other data (such as probe rated temperature of 150 C.) the probe has an accuracy of +/- 0.4 C. He's greatly overstated the

Re: [Vo]:Another Defkalion statement on PESN

Daniel Rocha wrote: Or that both Rossi and Defkalion have proprietary cores but only Rossi has > the catalyzer. > In this discussion "core" and "catalyzer" mean the same thing. They mean the cell at the heart of the reactor which is filled with nickel powder, hydrogen, and some other mystery ing

Re: [Vo]:The Galantini report examined in detail

Galantini stated a fact from manual: «4- The thermometers have a margin of error of +/- 0,05 Celsius» Lomax replied with speculation: «This depends on the probe. However, from other data (such as probe rated temperature of 150 C.) the probe has an accuracy of +/- 0.4 C. He's greatly overstated the

Re: [Vo]:On a Quixotic mission

I guess Witch Doctor is right about BLP. ;)

[Vo]:On a Quixotic mission

A recent Google newsfeed on "Blacklight Power" brought to my attention a link from someone with a handle of "sam_michael" who claims Dr. Mills and Blacklight Power is a scam operation of immense proportions. See: http://www.nowpublic.com/tech-biz/blacklight-power-most-incredible-scam "

Re: [Vo]:The Galantini report examined in detail

Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: This depends on the probe. However, from other data (such as probe rated > temperature of 150 C.) the probe has an accuracy of +/- 0.4 C. He's greatly > overstated the accuracy, it seems, and that is crucial here. The > *resolution* is 0.1 C., and I think he munges that

Re: [Vo]:Another Defkalion statement on PESN

Hi, On 10-8-2011 23:37, Jed Rothwell wrote: Alan J Fletcher wrote: I meant that Rossi could have taken a core to Defkalion for internal tests in a Hyperion rig -- NOT the government tests -- but not left it with them. This would allow the following two statements to be true: R: Nobody has

Re: [Vo]:Trade secrets do not allow companies to sell products without telling the world what is in them

And I imagine that the secret sauce is just a combination of specific procedures, not the composition of the powder.

Re: [Vo]:Multiplying entities: why would Rossi fake some tests when others are indisputably real?

At 10:38 AM 8/10/2011, Jed Rothwell wrote: Mark Iverson wrote: 1) In Galantini's report, it is clear that he was looking at several different sensors. 2) I seriously doubt that the RH sensor would physically fit in the opening where the outlet temperature sensor is located. It fits in a dif

Re: [Vo]:Multiplying entities: why would Rossi fake some tests when others are indisputably real?

At 10:04 AM 8/10/2011, Jed Rothwell wrote: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: Essentially, depending on the thermometer being wet to inform the observer of the lack of water is foolish. No, it isn't. Galantini knows what he is doing. The probe would be wet because these probes are tapered. The plug

RE: [Vo]:NyTeknik coverage of Rossi - Defkalion split

At 03:27 AM 8/10/2011, Mark Iverson wrote: I think it is obvious that the vapor will be traveling faster than ANY liquid water that is part of a layer of liquid on the inner wall of the hose, due to the adhesion of the liquid to the hose. Sure. I don't think there will be much of that. However

[Vo]:The Galantini report examined in detail

What did Galantini actually say? We finally have a detailed report from him after so many months, but it leaves many, many questions unanswered. It should be remembered that Galantini does not appear to have qualifications as a steam expert. He's a chemist and he has a company that provides e

Re: [Vo]:DGT citation: unsuccesful test of end of july 2011

On 2011-08-11 01:02, Angela Kemmler wrote: Was offline a couple of days. Mayme, its not new to you. Just saw this citation on a swedish website, it may help to explain why Defkalion did not pay EFA srl (Rossis wife), and Rossi was upset. [snip] Be warned that Defkalion GT is apparently trying

Re: [Vo]:Trade secrets do not allow companies to sell products without telling the world what is in them

But I didn't say it was a different design. I am comparing Hyperion, which will be sold, with the e-cat, which will not.

Re: [Vo]:DGT citation: unsuccesful test of end of july 2011

> > > citation: > > > " However, EFA has refused to participate in such a test despite the fact > that such non-participation clearly constitutes a material breach of > contract." > Likely because they know they cannot meet the stability requirements at this time. Revealing! T

[Vo]:DGT citation: unsuccesful test of end of july 2011

Was offline a couple of days. Mayme, its not new to you. Just saw this citation on a swedish website, it may help to explain why Defkalion did not pay EFA srl (Rossis wife), and Rossi was upset. citation: The Licence and Technology Transfer Agreement (The LTTA) contains a mile stone payment

[Vo]:Everyone is overlooking Thermacore

It is a mystery why nobody seems to be giving DGT (or PDGT) enough credit for being able to enlist credible scientific expertise, and then to replicate a 17 year old experiment in the public domain. These are intelligent people, and they are wealthy. Unless this drama is about stupidity or poverty

Re: [Vo]:Not off topic - 710 MHz

On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 5:54 PM, Michele Comitini < michele.comit...@gmail.com> wrote: > In the meanwhile I am going to have some metal plates implanted over my > skull... > no over the whole body... newer phones are always connected and > trasmitting due to internet connection. > > A simple alumi

[Vo]:Interesting mail from Celani about E-cats gammas

>From Daniele Passerini's 22passi: http://22passi.blogspot.com/2011/08/celani-risponde-sulla-misura-dei-gamma.html google translation: http://goo.gl/L9rYf mic

[Vo]:Trade secrets do not allow companies to sell products without telling the world what is in them

Daniel Rocha wrote: Jed, there is a way to reconcile everything. Defkalion designed the Hyperion differently from Rossi's, the core exactly like Rossi's but they don't have the recipe for the catalyzer. So, all they have are units that can still work for a few months with the last loading of

[Vo]:Celani's email on gamma measurements during the January public test

Hello group, Daniele Passerini just posted on his blog (with permission) an email by Francesco Celani describing in detail how he performed gamma measurements during the public E-Cat test at Bologna in January, in answer to a question submitted to him by Passerini himself from a blog user. T

Re: [Vo]:Not off topic - 710 MHz

In the meanwhile I am going to have some metal plates implanted over my skull... no over the whole body... newer phones are always connected and trasmitting due to internet connection. mic 2011/8/10 Terry Blanton : > > > On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 4:14 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > >> >> Isn't the radi

Re: [Vo]:Not off topic - 710 MHz

On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 4:14 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > Isn't the radiation more intense when the signal is generated right next to > your scull? I wouldn't know but that is what I heard. Cell phones are low > powered but they are held right up against the head. It follows the inverse square la

Re: [Vo]:Another Defkalion statement on PESN

Alan J Fletcher wrote: I meant that Rossi could have taken a core to Defkalion for internal tests in a Hyperion rig -- NOT the government tests -- but not left it with them. This would allow the following two statements to be true: R: Nobody has an eCat D: We measured 6-20x energy gain Tha

Re: [Vo]:Another Defkalion statement on PESN

Or that both Rossi and Defkalion have proprietary cores but only Rossi has the catalyzer. 2011/8/10 Alan J Fletcher > At 01:46 PM 8/10/2011, Jed Rothwell wrote: > > Alan J Fletcher wrote: >> >>> Rossi could have hand-carried a core to Defkalion, run tests, and then >>> taken it way with him. >>

Re: [Vo]:Another Defkalion statement on PESN

At 01:46 PM 8/10/2011, Jed Rothwell wrote: Alan J Fletcher wrote: Rossi could have hand-carried a core to Defkalion, run tests, and then taken it way with him. No regulator or government agency in the EU, the U.S. or Japan would allow that. It is unthinkable. These organizations have many fau

RE: [Vo]:NASA Researchers Put New Spin on Einstein\'s Relativity Theory

At 01:30 PM 8/10/2011, Hoyt A. Stearns Jr. wrote: That's exactly what Larson's Reciprocal System unified theory says:  particles are in contact if they are either adjacent in 3D space or 3D time. Space/Time? That's SO last-millenium! Beyond space-time: Welcome to phase space http://www.newscien

Re: [Vo]:Another Defkalion statement on PESN

Jed, there is a way to reconcile everything. Defkalion designed the Hyperion differently from Rossi's, the core exactly like Rossi's but they don't have the recipe for the catalyzer. So, all they have are units that can still work for a few months with the last loading of the catalyzer. They can st

Re: [Vo]:Another Defkalion statement on PESN

Alan J Fletcher wrote: Defkalion could have submitted a system with a dummy core for Greek qualification (hydrogen system etc), but that seems a bit pointless. Rossi could have hand-carried a core to Defkalion, run tests, and then taken it way with him. No regulator or government agency in th

Re: [Vo]:Not off topic - 710 MHz

Hi, On 10-8-2011 22:14, Jed Rothwell wrote: Terry Blanton wrote: If this were a problem, would it not have been spotted when the UHF channels were operating in these bands? Populations near these station broadcast transmitters were exposed to huge amounts of radiation from channels 49 thru

RE: [Vo]:NASA Researchers Put New Spin on Einstein\'s Relativity Theory

That's exactly what Larson's Reciprocal System unified theory says: particles are in contact if they are either adjacent in 3D space or 3D time. So called antimatter ( really inverse matter where time and space are interchanged ) gravitates into aggregates in 3D time and can only be viewed by us a

Re: [Vo]:Not off topic - 710 MHz

Terry Blanton wrote: If this were a problem, would it not have been spotted when the UHF channels were operating in these bands? Populations near these station broadcast transmitters were exposed to huge amounts of radiation from channels 49 thru 69. Here in Atlanta, the transmitter was on t

Re: [Vo]:Another Defkalion statement on PESN

Yep, Susan Gipp, you have a grip on the reality here... Defkalion now stage-managing hour by hour -- perhaps their technicians are running simulations on their magic catalyzt deprived devices to verify the same kind of null results that actually ensued from the publicized Rossi demos... Within m

RE: [Vo]:Not off topic - 710 MHz

Ya' know, I haven't been the same since enjoying the view and a few cocktails at the Sun Dial . back in the day . From: Terry Blanton 700 MHz Cellphone Spectrum - a warning If this were a problem, would it not have been spotted when the UHF channels were operating in these bands? Popula

Re: [Vo]:who is the secret big partner of Rossi in USA?

On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 1:35 PM, Jouni Valkonen wrote: > My guess will be Nasa and 1MW Demonstration will be held in Kennedy Space > Center, Florida. > > > Is there anyone left at the Kennedy Space Center? T

Re: [Vo]:Not off topic - 710 MHz

On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 1:52 PM, Jones Beene wrote: > 700 MHz Cellphone Spectrum - a warning > > If this were a problem, would it not have been spotted when the UHF channels were operating in these bands? Populations near these station broadcast transmitters were exposed to huge amounts of radia

Re: [Vo]:Another Defkalion statement on PESN

To be honest would be better to say: *No one in the world holds any (working) E-Cat, even us, so far.* 2011/8/10 Alan J Fletcher > At 11:05 AM 8/10/2011, Alan J Fletcher wrote: > > http://pesn.com/2011/08/10/9501891_Defkalion_Responds_in_Support_of_Rossi/ > > > Andrea Rossi > August 10th, 20

Re: [Vo]:Another Defkalion statement on PESN

At 11:05 AM 8/10/2011, Alan J Fletcher wrote: http://pesn.com/2011/08/10/9501891_Defkalion_Responds_in_Support_of_Rossi/ Andrea Rossi August 10th, 2011 at 4:02 AM Dear Luke Mortensen: No one in the world holds any E-Cat, but us, so far. Warm Regards, A.R. Hard to well if it's actually conf

Re: [Vo]:who is the secret big partner of Rossi in USA?

>From Jouni, > My guess will be Nasa and 1MW Demonstration will be held in > Kennedy Space Center, Florida. Great symbol that Rossi looks > with his technology forward beyond this planet, and ignores any > immediate commercial plans as mere chattering. It is not that far-fetched of a possibility.

Re: [Vo]:Another Defkalion statement on PESN

>From the link: " Statement II *We received the following from Symeon Tsalikoglou of Defkalion Green Technologies on August 10, 2011 4:13 AM MST.* Dear Sterling Allan, In the link below you include a post from passi22 blog regarding an anonymous email from inside Defkalion. http://pesn.com/201

[Vo]:Another Defkalion statement on PESN

http://pesn.com/2011/08/10/9501891_Defkalion_Responds_in_Support_of_Rossi/ Sorry if it's already here ... I looked for it. Hard to well if it's actually conflicting with what Rossi as said (technically).  They say it's built AROUND the core (not that they have one), AND that they have (are?)

[Vo]:Not off topic - 710 MHz

700 MHz Cellphone Spectrum - a warning Although the link between cell phones and cancer is supposedly not strong, if you look at the actual details -the greatest connection to disease correlates with the longest exposure periods. Things can only get worse, since usage is increasing, the users are

Re: [Vo]:who is the secret big partner of Rossi in USA?

My guess will be Nasa and 1MW Demonstration will be held in Kennedy Space Center, Florida. Great symbol that Rossi looks with his technology forward beyond this planet, and ignores any immediate commercial plans as mere chattering. —Jouni On Aug 10, 2011 11:59 AM, "Michael Ivanov" wrote: > Any i

Re: [Vo]:who is the secret big partner of Rossi in USA?

At 09:26 AM 8/10/2011, Michael Ivanov wrote: BTW - what about Ampenergo who supposed to be a sole distributor in US? No -- they're the middle-man. It was always said that they would license others.

Re: [Vo]:who is the secret big partner of Rossi in USA?

Hi, On 10-8-2011 10:58, Michael Ivanov wrote: Any ideas? I heard about Ford, but could it be GE or GM? I stick to my initial thought: "Mountain View, Ca." (Google HQ) . While looking at where we "know" that he traveled during April in the USA (North (Ohio) and South-East (Florida) states), I

Re: [Vo]:who is the secret big partner of Rossi in USA?

On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 12:23 PM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson < svj.orionwo...@gmail.com> wrote: > > I'm not > convinced that ECat technology, in its presumed current prototype > incarnation, would be of much use to the auto industry like Ford, or > any auto company for that matter. "A Stanley

Re: [Vo]:who is the secret big partner of Rossi in USA?

BTW - what about Ampenergo who supposed to be a sole distributor in US?

Re: [Vo]:who is the secret big partner of Rossi in USA?

>From Axil: > A clue, Rossi says that if he told us in which city the 1 MW reactor > demo is to be held in, we would immediately know what company > his American partner is. Company towns like that are very rare > anymore with most manufacturing going overseas. The company > must be big, American,

Re: [Vo]:who is the secret big partner of Rossi in USA?

Redmond, WA. > On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 4:58 AM, Michael Ivanov > wrote: > Any ideas? I heard about Ford, but could it be GE or GM? > >

Re: [Vo]:who is the secret big partner of Rossi in USA?

Another Rossi puzzle…more fun! A clue, Rossi says that if he told us in which city the 1 MW reactor demo is to be held in, we would immediately know what company his American partner is. Company towns like that are very rare anymore with most manufacturing going overseas. The company must be big

Re: [Vo]:NASA Researchers Put New Spin on Einstein\'s Relativity Theory

> On 08/10/2011 03:54 AM, Harry Veeder wrote: > [snip]Albert Einstein might be astonished to learn that NASA physicists have applied > his relativity theory to a concept he introduced but later disliked namely > that > two particles that interact could maintain a connection even if separated >

Re: [Vo]:Multiplying entities: why would Rossi fake some tests when others are indisputably real?

Mark Iverson wrote: 1) In Galantini's report, it is clear that he was looking at several different sensors. 2) I seriously doubt that the RH sensor would physically fit in the opening where the outlet temperature sensor is located. It fits in a different port. You can see it in some of the p

Re: [Vo]:Multiplying entities: why would Rossi fake some tests when others are indisputably real?

Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: Essentially, depending on the thermometer being wet to inform the observer of the lack of water is foolish. No, it isn't. Galantini knows what he is doing. The probe would be wet because these probes are tapered. The plug that seals it is wider than the probe itse

Re: [Vo]:NyTeknik coverage of Rossi - Defkalion split

Indeed, Krivits psychological interpretation on Mats Lewan's video was so convincing, that I almost believed it! Quite impressive. However, it would be good to have accurate temporal temperature graph for both April E-Cats. If power manipulation hypothesis is true, it should be shown as temperature

Re: [Vo]:Edison's Antigravity Underwear

What is *Eugene Podkletnov doing lately?*

[Vo]:Edison's Antigravity Underwear

http://news.discovery.com/space/edisons-anti-gravity-underwear-and-other-weighty-matters-110809.html Washed in Cavorite. I'd heard of all these AG folks but Roger Babson, founder of the Gravity Research Foundation and author of the essay *Gravity - Our Enemy Number One. * * * T

Re: [Vo]:NASA Researchers Put New Spin on Einstein\'s Relativity Theory

On 08/10/2011 03:54 AM, Harry Veeder wrote: [snip]Albert Einstein might be astonished to learn that NASA physicists have applied his relativity theory to a concept he introduced but later disliked namely that two particles that interact could maintain a connection even if separated by a vast d

Re: [Vo]:NASA Researchers Put New Spin on Einstein's Relativity Theory

On 08/10/2011 08:05 AM, Mauro Lacy wrote: Yes, the idea was mentioned and discussed on this list. I wrote a paper on the subject. See On absolute movement And here are the archived discussions: http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg45437.html ht

Re: [Vo]:NASA Researchers Put New Spin on Einstein's Relativity Theory

Yes, the idea was mentioned and discussed on this list. I wrote a paper on the subject. See On absolute movement Regards, Mauro On 08/10/2011 03:54 AM, Harry Veeder wrote: The article mentions using entanglement to synchronise clocks. This possiblity was mentio

RE: [Vo]:NyTeknik coverage of Rossi - Defkalion split

Abd wrote: "Mark, you are focusing on the name of the thing rather than the reality. For our purposes, "wet steam" is a 2-phase system in equilibrium at the boiling point. The size of the phase regions is not relevant." IMHO, that's being sloppy. If we're really serious about getting to the tru