Re: [Vo]:Boeing Electric Airliner---LENR Application=???

2012-04-18 Thread Jed Rothwell
Axil Axil wrote: > If all works like it is designed to, the congressional hearing would be > held behind closed doors and the information would be kept secret. > Correct. But this would never be kept secret. It would be leaked to Fox News immediately, because it would hurt the administration. No

Re: [Vo]:Pentagon black budget is NOT kept secret from the Congress

2012-04-18 Thread Axil Axil
I briefly looked into the US residency status of Rossi. Some say he is a US citizen and others say he is a permanent resident. Both these conditions put him under secrecy restrictions. Getting the truth about Rossi is difficult; does anybody know for sure? A politician can routinely reveal s

Re: [Vo]:Boeing Electric Airliner---LENR Application=???

2012-04-18 Thread Axil Axil
*A "member" meaning a member of Congress?!?”* Yes *“Do you think the Pentagon can ignore an inquiry from Congress, or tell Congress it will not answer? That is not how it works. The Pentagon must respond. It would respond. It would give the information to a Representative who has security clearan

Re: [Vo]:New Lattice Energy presentation

2012-04-18 Thread pagnucco
No. Not me. But I did spend most of my life in the semiconductor business, too. > Pagnucco > "Lou Pagnucco, Kulite Semiconductor Products Inc, Leonia, NJ"   > Not you? > > Sorry. > > >   > > >

Re: [Vo]:Pentagon black budget is NOT kept secret from the Congress

2012-04-18 Thread Chemical Engineer
So does that make Rossi a civilian miltary contractor and should he now be subject to a 10 year sentence for his internet blabberfest? I would not want him connected in any way, shape or form with my top secret military project. On Wednesday, April 18, 2012, Axil Axil wrote: > As a military proj

Re: [Vo]:Pentagon black budget is NOT kept secret from the Congress

2012-04-18 Thread Jed Rothwell
Axil Axil wrote: Jed, you are betting on the wrong horse if you think the Congress is going > to keep Rossi’s LENR system in the mainstream and out of classification. > You are very confused, again. 1. The Congress cannot decide what to classify and what to make public. That decision is entirel

Re: [Vo]:Pentagon black budget is NOT kept secret from the Congress

2012-04-18 Thread Axil Axil
As a military project manager, I would NEVER use the name LENR. In an attempt at redirection, I would rename the reference to advanced “hydrogen ion nano-battery” or the like. Next, the military and civilian workers associated with the project all have clearances and are all under the threat of a

Re: [Vo]:Boeing Electric Airliner---LENR Application=???

2012-04-18 Thread Jed Rothwell
Axil Axil wrote: > Furthermore, Solandra was not a black project. If an inquiry on LENR by a > member was to occur, that inquiry would itself be classified an no one > would ever know about such an inquiry. > A "member" meaning a member of Congress?!? Do you think the Pentagon can ignore an inq

Re: [Vo]:Boeing Electric Airliner---LENR Application=???

2012-04-18 Thread Jed Rothwell
Axil Axil wrote: I am amused at your naïve trust in the competency of the US Congress. > Please do not put words in my mouth, and do not use strawman arguments. I am not suggesting that the Congress is especially competent. However, I am familiar with the laws under which it operates. I know st

[Vo]:Boeing Electric Airliner---LENR Application=???

2012-04-18 Thread Chemical Engineer
I don't think the military would want a blabbering Rossi spewing spinformation daily across the Internet as he is doing. Also, what kind of real security is around that warehouse in italy? Anybody with a box of donuts could probably make it past the security guard i saw in an early video. And th

Re: [Vo]:New Cantwell PowerPoint slides

2012-04-18 Thread Akira Shirakawa
On 2012-04-18 20:35, Jed Rothwell wrote: [...] in /10th International Workshop on Anomalies in Hydrogen Loaded Metals/. 2012. Most slides from the 10th International Workshop on Anomalies in Hydrogen Loaded Metals have been made available here: http://www.iscmns.org/work10/program.htm By th

Re: [Vo]:Boeing Electric Airliner---LENR Application=???

2012-04-18 Thread Axil Axil
I am amused at your naïve trust in the competency of the US Congress. The only thing the members are interested in is being reelected and getting pork for their district. Furthermore, Solandra was not a black project. If an inquiry on LENR by a member was to occur, that inquiry would itself be c

Re: [Vo]:Boeing Electric Airliner---LENR Application=???

2012-04-18 Thread Chemical Engineer
Good idea. I think Taliban outhouses would be a good first testing ground for Rossi's Device. On Wednesday, April 18, 2012, Axil Axil wrote: > Your political predilections have forced a disconnect in the logic of your > position. > > If Rossi has sold his system to a military customer, the requi

[Vo]:Pentagon black budget is NOT kept secret from the Congress

2012-04-18 Thread Jed Rothwell
Axil Axil wrote: FYI > http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2012/02/pentagons-black-budget/ > > > See for Yourself: The Pentagon’s $51 Billion ‘Black’ Budget > You fail to understand that every item in that budget, and every dollar in it, is subject to Congressional oversight and review. Some Senator

Re: [Vo]:Boeing Electric Airliner---LENR Application=???

2012-04-18 Thread Jed Rothwell
Axil Axil wrote: The details of the development of intelligence gathering platforms are > always protected from public and congressional oversight by the black > budget process were only a total budgetary figure is available. > No, they are not. Programs are protected only because there are so m

Re: [Vo]:Boeing Electric Airliner---LENR Application=???

2012-04-18 Thread Axil Axil
FYI http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2012/02/pentagons-black-budget/ See for Yourself: The Pentagon’s $51 Billion ‘Black’ Budget On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 8:42 PM, Axil Axil wrote: > “Actually, any involvement in cold fusion at any level would be a scandal. > But especially, buying something for

Re: [Vo]:Boeing Electric Airliner---LENR Application=???

2012-04-18 Thread Axil Axil
“Actually, any involvement in cold fusion at any level would be a scandal. But especially, buying something for a million bucks and leaving it at the factory untested is simple out of the question.” The details of the development of intelligence gathering platforms are always protected from publ

Re: [Vo]:Boeing Electric Airliner---LENR Application=???

2012-04-18 Thread Axil Axil
Your political predilections have forced a disconnect in the logic of your position. If Rossi has sold his system to a military customer, the requirements of the current military grand strategy of automating war fighting will force a Tom Clancy like development of Robot warriors. Do you think t

Re: [Vo]:Boeing Electric Airliner---LENR Application=???

2012-04-18 Thread Axil Axil
So your positions is that Rossi is lying about his customer, he is irrational, he has no product, his system does not work, he is a fraud. You can’t have it both ways. So sorry, you are faced with a no win situation. He has either sold his system to a military customer or he is a liar and a fraud.

Re: [Vo]:Boeing Electric Airliner---LENR Application=???

2012-04-18 Thread Chemical Engineer
"Rossi says that President Obama is the greatest president of all times" Now I am convinced Rossi is full of s&)t! The rest of your analysis reads like a Tom Clancy novel and unfortunately i think Rossi's actions are better captured in the novel Matchstick Men. On Wednesday, April 18, 2012, Jed

[Vo]:New Lattice Energy presentation

2012-04-18 Thread teampositive
Pagnucco "Lou Pagnucco, Kulite Semiconductor Products Inc, Leonia, NJ"   Not you? Sorry.  

Re: [Vo]:Boeing Electric Airliner---LENR Application=???

2012-04-18 Thread Jed Rothwell
I meant they do NOT spend millions "just to know." The whole idea is preposterous. If anyone in the press found out about such a thing, they would be dragged before Congress and everyone involved would be fired. Actually, any involvement in cold fusion at any level would be a scandal. But especia

Re: [Vo]:Boeing Electric Airliner---LENR Application=???

2012-04-18 Thread Jed Rothwell
Axil Axil wrote: Taking delivery of the prototype is not necessary. What is necessary is to > see the prototype work in self sustain mode…Yes it is real. Just to know > that Rossi’s LENR technology is viable is all that the Navy requires. > I know several people in the Navy and Army. What you ar

Re: [Vo]:Boeing Electric Airliner---LENR Application=???

2012-04-18 Thread Axil Axil
Taking delivery of the prototype is not necessary. What is necessary is to see the prototype work in self sustain mode…Yes it is real. Just to know that Rossi’s LENR technology is viable is all that the Navy requires. This is important to justify the Navy’s current E-Cat development effort. And th

Re: [Vo]:Boeing Electric Airliner---LENR Application=???

2012-04-18 Thread Jed Rothwell
I wrote: > He hasn't downsized it as far as I know. > I mean the ratio of weight to power has not improved, which is what you need to improve for aviation apps. - Jed

Re: [Vo]:Boeing Electric Airliner---LENR Application=???

2012-04-18 Thread Jed Rothwell
Axil Axil wrote: Rossi must have made the sale to the US Navy because he has stopped looking > for a major supportive money rich customer. > As far as I know he is still looking for money. I doubt anyone paid him a million bucks for that reactor. I doubt anyone bought it at all. Who would buy eq

Re: [Vo]:Boeing Electric Airliner---LENR Application=???

2012-04-18 Thread Jed Rothwell
David Roberson wrote: Has anyone identified a change in one of the fuel ingredients? I am > curious as to where the energy is derived. > Hmmm . . . It does not say. I assume it is a conventional turbine, driven by kerosene. Aeroderivative turbine generators are the most efficient in the electri

Re: [Vo]:Boeing Electric Airliner---LENR Application=???

2012-04-18 Thread Axil Axil
Rossi must have made the sale to the US Navy because he has stopped looking for a major supportive money rich customer. And he has stopped complaining about a lack of money. Rossi has devoted much effort in downsizing his reactor core. I believe this effort was directed towards the requirements

[Vo]:holons, spinons and orbitons

2012-04-18 Thread Eric Walker
"Not-quite-so elementary, my dear electron" http://www.nature.com/news/not-quite-so-elementary-my-dear-electron-1.10471 It looks like an electron can be decomposed into a "holon," "spinon" and "orbiton" in some contexts by using X-rays. The holon carries the electron's (negative) charge. I wond

Re: [Vo]:Boeing Electric Airliner---LENR Application=???

2012-04-18 Thread Jed Rothwell
Axil Axil wrote: Rossi has stated that his 1 MW reactors was delivered to a military > customer. > As far as I know, the 1 MW reactor has not been delivered to anyone. It is still sitting there. I doubt it was purchased by the U.S. military. Maybe European military. Actually, I doubt it was pu

Re: [Vo]:Boeing Electric Airliner---LENR Application=???

2012-04-18 Thread Axil Axil
Rossi has stated that his 1 MW reactors was delivered to a military customer. It logically follows that he would setup his company in close proximity to that customer. Florida’s Mayport Naval Station and Jacksonville Naval Air Station was also where the Navy’s Broad Area Maritime Surveillance (

Re: [Vo]:Boeing Electric Airliner---LENR Application=???

2012-04-18 Thread Jed Rothwell
Axil Axil wrote: > I suspect the requirement for the 45 MW LENR systems originally came from > the US Navy to power their aircraft carrier based drones. > Also, if Rossi can make a 45 MW reactor it will be the size of an office building. It will weigh many times more than a drone. Even Rossi's sm

Re: [Vo]:Boeing Electric Airliner---LENR Application=???

2012-04-18 Thread Jed Rothwell
Axil Axil wrote: > I suspect the requirement for the 45 MW LENR systems originally came from > the US Navy to power their aircraft carrier based drones. > You don't need 45 MW for a drone! Okay, maybe for the upcoming X-47B drone, but you would not start with that. They would start with a small d

[Vo]:New Cantwell PowerPoint slides

2012-04-18 Thread Jed Rothwell
See: Cantwell, R., D. McConnell, and T.N. Claytor, *Search for excess heat in metal cathodes exposed to pulsed hydrogen plasma (PowerPoint slides)*, in *10th International Workshop on Anomalies in Hydrogen Loaded Metals*. 2012. http://lenr-canr.org/wordpress/?page_id=1097 http://lenr-canr.org/ac

Re: [Vo]:Boeing Electric Airliner---LENR Application=???

2012-04-18 Thread Axil Axil
I suspect the requirement for the 45 MW LENR systems originally came from the US Navy to power their aircraft carrier based drones. Military aircraft always precede commercial aircraft development. As background, the U.S. Navy's pursuit of drones is recognition of the need for new weapons and str

Re: [Vo]:New Lattice Energy presentation

2012-04-18 Thread pagnucco
Team, Sorry to disappoint, but I own no shop. However, if the tech you refer to is real, it should be easy to set up a persuasive public demo. LP Teampositive wrote: > Pagnucco, > > If the boys in the back of your NJ shop are successfully finished their > free Lattice Energy through arc plasmas

Re: [Vo]:Boeing Electric Airliner---LENR Application=???

2012-04-18 Thread David Roberson
Has anyone identified a change in one of the fuel ingredients? I am curious as to where the energy is derived. Dave -Original Message- From: integral.property.service To: vortex-L Sent: Wed, Apr 18, 2012 1:06 pm Subject: [Vo]:Boeing Electric Airliner---LENR Application=??? Ron, Ev

[Vo]: Energy of Loading and Unloading Hydrogen

2012-04-18 Thread David Roberson
I was just reviewing the chart from Professor Miley that shows the increased temperature that resulted from the loading and then unloading of D2 gas from palladium and had a couple of questions that I hoped someone would clarify. It is my understanding that if we start with D2 molecular gas that

Re: [Vo]:Boeing Electric Airliner---LENR Application=???

2012-04-18 Thread Jed Rothwell
That's great! That would be easy to adapt to cold fusion, in a first-generation cold fusion aircraft. You would not need the battery, so the payload would be increased. This airplane reduces fuel consumption by 70% -- an astounding number. That is not necessary with cold fusion. It would serve no

[Vo]:Boeing Electric Airliner---LENR Application=???

2012-04-18 Thread integral.property.serv...@gmail.com
Ron, Even better: http://pesn.com/2012/04/15/9602075_Inteligentry_Manufacturers_Gearing_Up_for_Noble_Gas_Engine_Roll-out/ Reliable Ron Kita wrote: Greetings Vortex-L An ideal LENR App the Boeing Sugar Volt: http://cubeme.com/blog/2010/08/03/boeing-team%E2%80%99s-innovative-sugar-volt-

[Vo]:Boeing Electric Airliner---LENR Application=???

2012-04-18 Thread Ron Kita
Greetings Vortex-L An ideal LENR App the Boeing Sugar Volt: http://cubeme.com/blog/2010/08/03/boeing-team%E2%80%99s-innovative-sugar-volt-concept/ Ronn Kita, Chiralex

Re: [Vo]:New Lattice Energy presentation

2012-04-18 Thread teampositive
Pagnucco, If the boys in the back of your NJ shop are successfully finished their free Lattice Energy through arc plasmas in hydrogen here is a next project: Gearing Up to replicate this startling free energy devise at http://pesn.com/2012/04/15/9602075_Inteligentry_Manufacturers_Gearing_Up_for

Re: [Vo]:Cold Fusion archeology

2012-04-18 Thread Alain Sepeda
I don't notice the exact post ? is it Brad Arnold? I also notice the story of Kim and 511keV, which his a hint that his theory might be the good one... good news if true. 2012/4/18 > > Alain, > > Everybody is seeing free cold fusion energy. See the Physicist comment at: > http://www.chrismart

Re: [Vo]:Cold Fusion archeology

2012-04-18 Thread teampositive
Alain, Everybody is seeing free cold fusion energy. See the Physicist comment at: http://www.chrismartenson.com/forum/cold-fusion/51623?page=7#comments teampositive http://coldfusionnow.org/?p=15470 You may view the latest post at http://coldfusionnow.org/?p=15644

Re: [Vo]:Physicists continue work to abolish time as fourth dimension of space, Amrit Sorli and Davide Fiscaletti, founders of the Space Life Institute in Slovenia, Physics Essays 2012.04.03: Rich M

2012-04-18 Thread Xavier Luminous
On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 06:30:48AM +0300, Jouni Valkonen wrote: > > Actually, Fiscaletti and Sorli did not invent anything new, but they just > reinvented Lorentz's theory of relativity from the early 1900's. It is > exactly the same theory that I was here using to explain the supposed > neutri