Good citation!
From: H Veeder [mailto:hveeder...@gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2014 1:18 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Evidence of SR Length Contraction
This is what I described and illustrated from the frame of reference of the
train.
Section C shows the railway
Kevin, you might consider a different explanation besides censorship or trolls.
The internet gives anyone including the insane a chance to say anything they
want. A significant fraction of the population is, in fact and by measurement,
insane. These people are ignored unless they harm someone.
When a large part of any argument is semantics - it usually requires only
one definitive and rock-solid example to prove a contention... unless there
is a valid alternative explanation.
From: David Roberson
In the free electron laser ... the
Jones, why do you or anyone believe the Casimir force is real? Yes, a force is
measured but assuming it is caused by unbalanced ZPE is not consistent with
observation or logic.
First of all, all materials are assumed and found to be transparent to the ZPE.
Yet when a small gap is created in
-Original Message-
From: Edmund Storms
Jones, why do you or anyone believe the Casimir force is real? Yes, a force
is measured but assuming it is caused by unbalanced ZPE is not consistent
with observation or logic.
Ed, most of physics does not agree with you on this point. Of course,
Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.com wrote:
http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/RothwellJtallyofcol.pdf
This file is corrupted. At least for me...
That's not good. Try again. I will upload a new copy.
This question is nebulous, even somewhat meaningless, because it is hard to
count experiments.
On Mar 9, 2014, at 10:24 AM, Jones Beene wrote:
-Original Message-
From: Edmund Storms
Jones, why do you or anyone believe the Casimir force is real? Yes, a force
is measured but assuming it is caused by unbalanced ZPE is not consistent
with observation or logic.
Ed, most of
-Original Message-
From: Edmund Storms
A lens works because it causes the photons to follow a controlled path as
the material interacts with the photons.
ES: In the case of ZPE, the form of the energy does not interact with a
material. If it did, a lens could be created so that ZPE
From Jed:
...
Storms pre-tested 92 cathodes. He found 4 that passed all tests, and he
ran
a full cold fusion experiment on those 4. They all produced robust heat
repeatedly. So, was that 92 tests, or was it 4? Was the success rate 4%,
or 100%? Those question are silly. It is what it
Good question, Steven. The answer is no. The reason for this answer comes from
the inability to identify and measure all the variables that influence the LENR
process. In fact, until recently I did not know which variables were important.
I can now identify the important variables, but money
OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson orionwo...@charter.net wrote:
I apologize up front if this seems an ignorant question to ask at this late
hour, but did Storms learn enough about the unique makeup of the four
successful cathodes to acquire a fairly good idea as to how to go about
building
Jed, the procedures you and we describe improve the chance of creating a
working cathode but this does not make it 100%. McKubre also had good success,
but only as long as he used Pd from a particular source. Other people have had
the same experience. The source and the treatment are both
Extraordinary momentum and spin discovered in evanescent light waves
http://phys.org/news/2014-03-extraordinary-momentum-evanescent.html
Paper Ref:
http://www.nature.com/ncomms/2014/140306/ncomms4300/full/ncomms4300.html
Abstract:
Momentum and spin represent fundamental dynamic
Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com wrote:
Jed, the procedures you and we describe improve the chance of creating a
working cathode but this does not make it 100%.
In other words, it is the pre-modern trial-and-error method of developing
technology. It is akin to how ancient people figured out
To summarize: Is Lorentz contraction at the bottom of a dynamical Casimir
effect in LENR?
There is no proof of that but it is a provocative question. Given the
analogy to the free-electron laser, and the presence of nickel which is
ferro magnetic we can now connect some dots... and AFAIK - this
On Sun, Mar 9, 2014 at 1:15 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
if someone were to use these methods to manufacture 50 working cells
which were then used by researchers to find a theory. That would put the
research on a more scientific basis.
There have been hundreds if not
James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote:
There have been hundreds if not thousands of working cells. Where are
they?
Most of the ones I know of were used up in destructive testing. As Mike
Melich put it, what we do to these cathodes would make the angels weep.
FP sent all of theirs back to
On Sun, Mar 9, 2014 at 1:34 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote:
There have been hundreds if not thousands of working cells. Where are
they?
Most of the ones I know of were used up in destructive testing. As Mike
Melich put it, what we do
James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote:
The point being that even if someone did come up with 50 working cells
it wouldn't be adequate to find a theory.
It would be necessary but perhaps not sufficient. I do not see how people
will come up with a theory without data, and without experiments.
I wrote:
Testing cells that do not produce heat is not much help.
It can be a little helpful. It is the process of elimination. You may be
able to rule out various hypotheses.
- Jed
Clearly what's needed is a process by which working cells can be created
with some degree of reliability, even if only 0.01%.
On Sun, Mar 9, 2014 at 2:11 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
I wrote:
Testing cells that do not produce heat is not much help.
It can be a little
Let me expand on my comment:
The economics of cold fusion research are constrained by the cost of
testing cathodes. We know that the original experiments did not use
sophisticated techniques to produce the cathodes and the cathodes used a
very tiny amount of Pd. The cost was not in the cathode
James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote:
Clearly what's needed is a process by which working cells can be created
with some degree of reliability, even if only 0.01%.
Reliability is far better than 0.01%! It have never been that low, for any
major researcher I know.
They are doing a lot better
this presentation at ICCF18 have a part on their work about identifiying
crystallography condition
https://mospace.umsystem.edu/xmlui/handle/10355/36833
they made a less detailed presentation for ICCF15
anyone with an honest brain understand that if you cannot replicate an
experiment for sure,
James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote:
The cost was not in the cathode -- it was in getting the electrochemistry
and the diagnostics right.
You do have to be good at electrochemistry. A lot of the early
electrochemistry was like tuning a piano with a sledgehammer.
The diagnostics can
In addition to destructive analysis, the cell eventually dies. LENR has a
limited life. In addition, once a cell works, finding out what can cause an
increase or decrease is important, which eventually destroys the effect. The
data is hen provided in papers, hundreds of which are now available.
A project with complete lack of funding. Zero dollars in the sense of
MFMP could make better progress if they would focus not on the calorimetry
or gamma-ray detection or tritium detection or mass-spectroscopy sufficient
to discriminate He from D2 (ALL of which are diagnostics) -- but rather
on
On Sun, Mar 9, 2014 at 3:31 PM, Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.com wrote:
I imagine no A-Bomb ever failed miserably ?
Some: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fizzle_(nuclear_test)
Mark Iverson wrote:
| Extraordinary momentum and spin discovered in evanescent light waves
| http://phys.org/news/2014-03-extraordinary-momentum-evanescent.html
| Paper Ref:
| http://www.nature.com/ncomms/2014/140306/ncomms4300/full/ncomms4300.html
FYI:
arXiv
fascinating... (I suspected bomb could fail, as everything can fail
miserably)
So they even know what is lack of reproducibility...
why do they ignore it ?
dogmatism?
2014-03-09 21:25 GMT+01:00 Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com:
On Sun, Mar 9, 2014 at 3:31 PM, Alain Sepeda
These references tie into the thread on a dynamical Casimir effect in LENR
and to SPP.
That may be why they were sent, but in case the connection is not obvious to
everyone, here is an additional point.
Mie scattering and Mie's solution to Maxwell - is the scattering of
electromagnetic
Hi Ed,
Based on what little I have been able to comprehend, I get the sense that
that learning how to create appropriate surface topologies, (most likely at
the nano-scale) may ultimately turn out to play a crucial role in igniting
reliably consistent reactions.
If creating appropriate
Jones etal--
I recently heard about a researcher at a Government Lab (PNNL) that had
funding cut off when she discovered Tritium in a sono-luminescent
experiment. The lack of such curiosity in Govt Labs. and follow-up is, I
suspect, wide spread. However another person at PNNL who I have
On Mar 9, 2014, at 4:15 PM, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson wrote:
Hi Ed,
Based on what little I have been able to comprehend, I get the sense that
that learning how to create appropriate surface topologies, (most likely at
the nano-scale) may ultimately turn out to play a crucial
My last email should have said P-F in lieu of I-I in the last sentence.
Bob
- Original Message -
From: Bob Cook frobertc...@hotmail.com
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2014 3:18 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Evidence of SR Length Contraction
Jones etal--
I recently heard
James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote:
Given your absolutist declaration about complete lack of funding. Zero
dollars you clearly don't consider the approach being taken by MFMP to be
valid no matter what they do but I disagree.
MFMP has a little money which they provided themselves, plus
On Sun, Mar 9, 2014 at 5:36 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote:
Given your absolutist declaration about complete lack of funding. Zero
dollars you clearly don't consider the approach being taken by MFMP to be
valid no matter what they do but
I sed:
I have instead wondered if we might eventually learn to employ laser
technology to construct the correct kinds of surface topology to enhance
the CF/LENR effect - perhaps in a similar manner as how lasers are
currently being used to carve tiny micro pits onto the surface of
Mark-
The first paper at phys.org seems to describe an energy wave or something that
is not light. I wonder how they determined it was electromagnetic like a light
wave we know about? I wonder, if Maxwell's theory can address such an
electromagnet phenomena? The researchers seem to omit
Mark--
The last paper you identify seems to answer my previous question about
Maxwell,'s classical theory. This last paper is very interesting and involves
spin effects I have not heard about. Well worth reading.
Bob
- Original Message -
From: Mark Jurich
To:
Jones--
the rabbit hole just became more crowded.
Bob
- Original Message -
From: Jones Beene
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2014 2:32 PM
Subject: RE: [Vo]:FYI: Extraordinary momentum and spin discovered in
evanescent light waves
These references tie
Steven wrote:
| Do we currently possess appropriate technology that could, for example,
allow us to cut grooves
| and valleys in the target surface material on an appropriate
nano-scale? I realize nano-scale means
| working with structures as small as at the atomic scale.
On Mar 9, 2014, at 5:02 PM, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson wrote:
I sed:
I have instead wondered if we might eventually learn to employ laser
technology to construct the correct kinds of surface topology to enhance
the CF/LENR effect – perhaps in a similar manner as how lasers are
Jed:
You say that he effect has been replicated hundreds of times. Where can
a skeptic go to check on these replications?
As far as I can tell, when Ed ran 92 experiments and got 4 cathodes to
work, he replicated the PFAHE 4 times. I recently saw some reference to 50
cathodes, which was about
James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote:
They need an SEM and other expensive toys to do an analysis of the metal
before and after. Without that they are flying blind.
Before and after _what_?
Before and after the cold fusion test. To see what changes occurred in the
metal, and to correlate
Jed, this may seem unconventional, but has a crowd-sourcing approach been
considered?
I know of at least one scientific program -- small, admittedly -- that is being
crowd-funded. A LENR proposal would appeal more broadly, I think, and might be
able to raise adequate research funding.
A
Jones--
It seems an answer to my original question for this blog--2 months ago--about
spin coupling is finally coming out. I hope Ed takes note and decides to
address the basic parameter, spin, in his theory for LENR..
Bob
- Original Message -
From: Bob Cook
To:
I can tell you from first hand experience that SEM analysis is MUCH harder
than it sounds. I have had access to a good, but not great SEM for
analysis of my powders. Features at the nanoscale simply were not
resolve-able with that SEM. Perhaps with the world's finest SEM, you might
be able to
On Sun, Mar 9, 2014 at 6:35 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote:
They need an SEM and other expensive toys to do an analysis of the metal
before and after. Without that they are flying blind.
Before and after _what_?
Before and after the
http://phys.org/news/2014-03-mystery-planet-forming-disks-magnetism.html
Mystery of planet-forming disks explained by magnetism
Researchers using NASA's Spitzer Space Telescope to study developing
starshttp://phys.org/tags/stars/have had a hard time figuring out
why the stars give off more
It might be a good idea to have a Mass Spec machine that can analyze isotopic
fractions more than a SEM which is hard to use on local nano systems that may
have reacted.
Bob
- Original Message -
From: James Bowery
To: vortex-l
Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2014 5:43 PM
Subject:
Mark--
As Jones said a week or so ago about SPP, we are again meeting in Alice's
rabbit hole.
I thought engineering a system might work better than relying on chance to form
the topology for LENR. My blog
Saturday, March 01, 2014 10:10 AM suggests a manufacturing idea not unlike
yours.
Bob stated:
“… we are again meeting in Alice's rabbit hole.”
Wrong movie Bob, think Matrices!
The Blue pill or the Red pill?
;-)
-Mark
From: Bob Cook [mailto:frobertc...@hotmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2014 7:09 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: Replications. Formerly
Axil, I don't get it. Why not optimize this for power generation? Find a
way to generate cracks in a nano material with a small amount of
electricity. Presumably there is an optimal material, shape, context in
terms of gases present that causes this, and a better method than just
'shifting a
Did my master's thesis under Dr. James Telford, atmospheric physicist, and
expert in cloud microphysics. One of Telford's areas of interest was cloud
electrification, which, at the time, was still not clearly explained. My
thesis redesigned a novel airborne electric field measuring device which
IMHO, LENR engineering must go in the other direction; toward the
production of randomness. Outside of the nano-hairs on the micro particles,
the engineering in the NiH reactor is an exercise in random particle
production.
As I have posted repeatedly, the key to developing an active reaction is
On Sun, Mar 9, 2014 at 4:23 PM, Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com wrote:
Ironically. the longer people wait to bring serious funding into the
effort, the more basic ideas will become public knowledge and unavailable
for patent protection. Eventually, only the lawyers and China will make
Eric--
This blog may effect your prognosis to come true faster. That would be a boon
to humanity..
FEEL GOOD ABOUT YOURSELF.
Bob
- Original Message -
From: Eric Walker
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2014 8:12 PM
Subject: Re: Replications. Formerly
http://www.scienceinschool.org/2009/issue12/fireballs
I judge this to be important of the LENR scientist as follows:
These patterns proved that the fireballs were indeed full of particles with
an average radius of about 25 nm - i.e. they are nanoparticles. The data
also showed that* the
I thought about the same issues too. If the principles of special
relativity are applicable then according to the principles it should be
possible to explain the effect equally well in either frame of reference.
However, I don't think it is possible.
I am wondering if an amplitude change in the
Regarding Belinfante spin momentum.
Belinfante worked out that the spin of the electron was produced as a
result of its wave function and not motion of forces within the electron.
Now the same considerations show that spin comes from angular momentum and
the wave nature of photons.
That leans
If this has any bearing on hydrogen loaded metal lattices then the
equivalent of the flour crack might be a region which was formerly filled
with hydrogen but which suddenly became devoid of hydrogen. In other words,
instead of cracks in the lattice being important to excess heat, it might
be the
http://jayryablon.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/ohanian-what-is-spin.pdf
What is Spin? Am J. Phys. 54 (6) June
1986http://jayryablon.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/ohanian-what-is-spin.pdf.
The abstract is:
According to the prevailing belief, the spin of the electron or some other
particle is a
Axil--
If you believe anti-electrons and electrons are basically the same except
having mirror symmetry in their wave functions, then when they come together to
make two photons leaving in opposite direction with parallel and anti-parallel
spin along the same axis, it does not take to much
On Sun, Mar 9, 2014 at 10:53 PM, MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.netwrote:
Bob stated:
... we are again meeting in Alice's rabbit hole.
Wrong movie Bob, think Matrices!
The Blue pill or the Red pill?
;-)
-Mark
One could argue it is the same movie, since The Matrix makes some
Harry--
I do not know about the blue pill or the red pill--I'm showing my age.
However, given the choice between blue and red pills , I always choose the red
ones, since they are easier to see when I drop them on the floor from my pill
box. I typically don't eat blue things.
Bob
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Bob,
Morpheus says to Neo in the movie The Matrix (1999):
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