[WikiEducator] Re: Building a sustainable WE OER Textbook initiative

Hi Maria I love wikis for all the reasons you state. And WE makes a great repository for educational content of all levels and authorship. Tools for learning by personalizing or customizing finding and using the content could be better. I think we are looking to solve the same problem (what). A

[WikiEducator] Re: Building a sustainable WE OER Textbook initiative

On Fri, Jan 2, 2009 at 6:39 PM, valerie wrote: > > Hi Maria > > Yes, my students are authoring learning materials - mostly as > collaborative research projects > http://www.wikieducator.org/DeAnza_College/CIS2/Fall_2008 > http://www.wikieducator.org/User:Vtaylor/CIS2_Summer_2008 > > I would very

[WikiEducator] Re: Building a sustainable WE OER Textbook initiative

Hi Derek I think one significant "feature" of Connexions is the captured in the quote you quoted > open-source, online education system. It cuts out the > textbook Implicitly, the OERs a big - full courses, textbook replacements, open textbooks. That's fine, and for many instructors and institut

[WikiEducator] Re: Building a sustainable WE OER Textbook initiative

Hi Maria I had another thought. As I "learn" something by searching for, and learning from web sites, I tag these and leave notes to myself in Delicious. http://delicious.com Over time I have built a learning path or sequence. If these are "harvested" and combined with the work of others, there

[WikiEducator] Re: Building a sustainable WE OER Textbook initiative

Hi Maria Yes, my students are authoring learning materials - mostly as collaborative research projects http://www.wikieducator.org/DeAnza_College/CIS2/Fall_2008 http://www.wikieducator.org/User:Vtaylor/CIS2_Summer_2008 I would very much like to have access to some tools that would allow them to

[WikiEducator] Re: Building a sustainable WE OER Textbook initiative

Dabbling only in this discussion: at this stage. I know I stumbled upon this site at some stage: Connexions: http://cnx.org/ I quote: Connexions is: a place to view and share educational material made of small knowledge chunks called modules that can be organized as courses, books, reports, *etc

[WikiEducator] Re: Building a sustainable WE OER Textbook initiative

On Tue, 2008-12-30 at 17:05 -0800, Randy Fisher wrote: > I also experienced greater collaboration with myself, and much higher > productivity than I've experienced before. Hey Randy -- the notion of "greater collaboration with myself" is very powerful (albeit somewhat of a paradox :-) . Could y

[WikiEducator] Re: Building a sustainable WE OER Textbook initiative

On Tue, 2008-12-30 at 19:52 -0500, Maria Droujkova wrote: > In the spirit of refinement, where would "learners as co-creators of > content" fit? At a first glance, it seems to belong in the > co-production models, but maybe it's a separate dimension altogether. > possibilities: > producer-consumer

[WikiEducator] Re: Building a sustainable WE OER Textbook initiative

Hi Maria, I'd like to bring in a perspective that's a bit different, yet related. Your email touches on aspects of it. Recently, I finished a Masters paper for my Masters program in organisation management and development, on educators' motivations in collaborative wiki spaces (er, WikiEducator).

[WikiEducator] Re: Building a sustainable WE OER Textbook initiative

Barbara, Thank you for the overview. It was helpful in exploring the system. If I were to compare it to others, Squidoo comes to mind, out of all things. I am trying to decide what value does the system add to justify hosting information in it. For example, I like hosting my pictures on Flickr, co

[WikiEducator] Re: Building a sustainable WE OER Textbook initiative

> > Technically the collection feature in WikiEducator enables users to reuse > existing collections and/or recreate customised collections. Also, I think > that there are considerable opportunities for us to improve reusability > through design. For example, identifying the educational elements w

[WikiEducator] Re: Building a sustainable WE OER Textbook initiative

Hi Leigh, I'm just catching up on emails, posts, etc. I am interested in your post, as it relates to reaching the 'last mile of development'. You outline a very workable hybrid of technology and smart-thinking to achieve a specific objective. These insights are very valuable, as local ingenuity

[WikiEducator] Re: Building a sustainable WE OER Textbook initiative

Thanks for the links and explanation...for the time being, I am experimenting...and will share with you my findings and impressions. > That's what I find so exciting with projects like WikiEducator -- we're > making the future happen! So do I. A toast to 2009 and the years to come! May new forms

[WikiEducator] Re: Building a sustainable WE OER Textbook initiative

Hi Bee, Responses in text below. On Tue, 2008-12-30 at 16:42 -0200, Barbara Dieu wrote: > I was attracted though by the apparent facility of > combining different contributed bits and pieces to create your own, > something which seems to be more difficult in the wiki, where you > create all from

[WikiEducator] Re: Building a sustainable WE OER Textbook initiative

Hello Wayne, As I mentioned to Maria, the presentation on Connections was the first I attended. It was short (I made a post about it: http://beespace.net/oer-at-stoa/) and I have not had the opportunity to test the platform to see how it works myself so have no experience in that domain. I was a

[WikiEducator] Re: Building a sustainable WE OER Textbook initiative

Hi Barbara, Connexions is an impressive project in the OER field. They are one of but a few international OER projects that use a content license (CC-BY) which meets the requirements of the free cultural works definition. As such I'm very keen to explore collaborations with Connexions, particular

[WikiEducator] Re: Building a sustainable WE OER Textbook initiative

Hi Maria, I just participated in a presentation where the general lines of the project were introduced and we were shown some examples of what they are doing and mashed-up books using a collection of material and modules from different authors inside the platform. >The content I can get is all pd

[WikiEducator] Re: Building a sustainable WE OER Textbook initiative

Barbara, I think I am missing something there... The content I can get is all pdfs, which is kind of limiting for representations (text and pictures). Also, some pages have no content at all, other than an ad for a web site, like this algebra page: http://cnx.org/content/m16260/latest/ What am I

[WikiEducator] Re: Building a sustainable WE OER Textbook initiative

Valerie, We can move forward relatively quickly because we have a dedicated software team on the project - my husband and I have a software company, so we can draw on the expertise and experience. Still, I always want to move faster!!! You know how it is... At least we will have a beautiful front

[WikiEducator] Re: Building a sustainable WE OER Textbook initiative

I have recently been to a short presentation of The Connexions project (funded by the William and Flora Hewlett Foundation) from Rice University. http://cnx.org I saw some of the mashed-up books and collage material that was produced by the teachers and was quite impressed. The platform looks quit

[WikiEducator] Re: Building a sustainable WE OER Textbook initiative

Maria That is wonderful to hear that you are moving forward so quickly. Please let us know when you are ready to let us see your beta version. Is there a format for the information that can facilitate "capturing the past human action" ? Rather than just going back and gathering information autom

[WikiEducator] Re: Building a sustainable WE OER Textbook initiative

Happy holidays, everyone. Talk about Magic reminds me of my collaborative project with teachers and students in Italy called the Magic Flying Carpet. Warm wishes, Nellie Deutsch Doctoral Student Educational Leadership Curriculum and Instruct

[WikiEducator] Re: Building a sustainable WE OER Textbook initiative

Valerie, What's a good starting point or two to familiarize myself with your work in similar directions? I search WE for you and found... quite a lot of things you are involved in! We should have about half of the features I described in beta early in January. The "magic" is in capturing past hum

[WikiEducator] Re: Building a sustainable WE OER Textbook initiative

Maria - Dream on... This is the sort of thing that I have been working on as well. With my very WikiEducator-centric view, I think that wikipages might be part of the process. Paths, sequences, study guides, or some such designation could be created to include activities and links to other learn

[WikiEducator] Re: Building a sustainable WE OER Textbook initiative

Hi Maria, This is a great project and I must compliment you on how you're succeeding in building a social network around Math activities. Do keep us @ WikiEducator informed of your progress --- I'd love to experiment with tweaking your model for our wiki environment and possibly expand this to ot

[WikiEducator] Re: Building a sustainable WE OER Textbook initiative

I think we could package parts of it as "small learning objects" for people to develop further. I see several so far: 1 - roles of textbooks and comparison to other entities 2 - content and instructional design as two dimensions of learning 3 - emergent pedagogies structurally different from each o

[WikiEducator] Re: Building a sustainable WE OER Textbook initiative

Wayne, We are just on the third weekly "run" (to use an agile development term) and doing things largely by email and on a blog now. You can look at the first sketches of activities here: http://www.naturalmath.com/index.php?option=com_jd-wp&Itemid=8917&cat=8 At the first run, families answer

[WikiEducator] Re: Building a sustainable WE OER Textbook initiative

Hi Guys, This is such a fascinating discussion... Is there any way to package this - and use it as the basis of some learning materials for a course on something :-) It's just such great dialogue I'm wondering how we can give it more life than simply in the google group.. - Randy On Sa

[WikiEducator] Re: Building a sustainable WE OER Textbook initiative

Hi Maria, That's a fascinating project. Do you have any links to any examples of the activities families develop? Do the families produce resources/handouts that are used in the learning activities? What tools do families use to generate and share the activities? I quickly scanned the list on

[WikiEducator] Re: Building a sustainable WE OER Textbook initiative

I'd like to describe a system we have started to develop in the family multiplication study. The "reusable objects" there are "small" according to "The reusability paradox": http://web.archive.org/web/20041019162710/http://rclt.usu.edu/whitepapers/paradox.htmlEach object (or, to using the "discover

[WikiEducator] Re: Building a sustainable WE OER Textbook initiative

This thread is about your text book proposal right? So, do you want me to explain this in practical terms relating to text books? Or do you want me to post a manifesto? On Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 4:48 PM, Wayne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi Leigh > > In practical terms -- can you describe the tea

[WikiEducator] Re: Building a sustainable WE OER Textbook initiative

Hi Leigh In practical terms -- can you describe the teaching-learning system you envisage in terms of the functions of teaching and elements of the system. I'm not sure that I understand what you are talking about. Cheers Wayne On Sat, 2008-12-06 at 14:21 +1100, Leigh Blackall wrote: > I'm no

[WikiEducator] Re: Building a sustainable WE OER Textbook initiative

I'm not convinced we are pioneers at all. Illich is significant to me not for hi Deschooling Society, but for his vision of learning webs. As he describes it (in chapter 6 I think), Bolivia was rolling out OER in the form of television. The cost of television back then meant that Bolivia could affo

[WikiEducator] Re: Building a sustainable WE OER Textbook initiative

Hi Leigh On Sat, 2008-12-06 at 08:57 +1300, Leigh Blackall wrote: > Illich's Learning Webs idea for Bolivia, cited in his book Deschooling > Society - predating ODL, ignoring "instructional design", and > predicting post industrial society enabled by networked > communications. Illich was interes

[WikiEducator] Re: Building a sustainable WE OER Textbook initiative

On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 2:57 PM, Leigh Blackall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > Wayne says: > > If the knowledge society is structurally different from industrialised >> society -- the open question we could ask is whether we will see a "new" >> pedagogy emerging which is structurally different from bo

[WikiEducator] Re: Building a sustainable WE OER Textbook initiative

I emailed the letter Wayne included here off-list, because I was not sure it would be of general interest, or if he had time to respond at all. An answer of that detail is definitely of general interest, that's probably why Wayne replied to the whole list. Thanks for the references, Wayne! Much app

[WikiEducator] Re: Building a sustainable WE OER Textbook initiative

Wayne says: If the knowledge society is structurally different from industrialised > society -- the open question we could ask is whether we will see a "new" > pedagogy emerging which is structurally different from both agrarian and > industrial approaches? > Obviously we are seeing that. Benkler

[WikiEducator] Re: Building a sustainable WE OER Textbook initiative

Is anyone else having the experience in this thread where responses are being made to posts not made in the thread? For example, Wayne is responding to Maria here, but as far as I can tell, Maria has only made one post to this thread, and the quote Wayne includes in his reply is not in that post..

[WikiEducator] Re: Building a sustainable WE OER Textbook initiative

Hi Maria, On Fri, 2008-12-05 at 07:29 -0500, Maria Droujkova wrote: > Wayne, > > What are more names to look up on the subject, especially metalearning > and teaching/learning in communities of practice including "community > objects" in relationships? This is extremely useful, and I need to > e

[WikiEducator] Re: Building a sustainable WE OER Textbook initiative

Hi Jim, That's a good point --- and certainly not off topic :-). With evolving web technologies we have far greater opportunities for manipulating output formats -- not too mention the convergence of technology and pedagogy. The untapped potential of the template approach is quite exciting! Spec

[WikiEducator] Re: Building a sustainable WE OER Textbook initiative

A bit of topic drift... but on a technical point rather than policy: On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 16:41, Leigh Blackall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > As for instructional design... this is the very reason I personally would > appose the idea of using Wikieducator to develop text books, because we > wou

[WikiEducator] Re: Building a sustainable WE OER Textbook initiative

On Fri, 2008-12-05 at 16:41 +1300, Leigh Blackall wrote: > As for instructional design... this is the very reason I personally > would appose the idea of using Wikieducator to develop text books, > because we would see pedagogical templates and "activities" > frustrating the information. IMO pedag

[WikiEducator] Re: Building a sustainable WE OER Textbook initiative

well, if we didn't force the issue of interoperability and simply used the existing platforms, then resources could be used more efficiently. The reason it should matter is because Wikibooks and Wikijunior has an established community around writing books. Wikieducator has a different community wit

[WikiEducator] Re: Building a sustainable WE OER Textbook initiative

Hi Jim, That's a good point and raises the question of instructional/learning design in the development process. We've been experimenting with a few approaches regarding how best to implement distributed learning design in a wiki environment --- Clearly this is part of the puzzle we must solve.

[WikiEducator] Re: Building a sustainable WE OER Textbook initiative

Hi Leigh, I think one of the biggest challenges facing OERs -- particularly with regards to the peer collaboration model are the technical silos which exist between and among projects. As OER projects, there should have a technical environment that enables all the OER projects, WMF, WikiEducator,

[WikiEducator] Re: Building a sustainable WE OER Textbook initiative

I might add that wikijunior is another established project that would be a more appropriate platform for writing text books for children up to the age of 12. On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 6:23 AM, jkelly952 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Age over grade level i

[WikiEducator] Re: Building a sustainable WE OER Textbook initiative

Age over grade level is the common ground. To question one: what are the elements or components of a sustainable OER textbook model? Identify your audience and what is expected of them. Historically a 5 year old (Kindergarten level in the United States) is expected to deal with 25 mathematical co

[WikiEducator] Re: Building a sustainable WE OER Textbook initiative

Well, it may not be competition, but it is duplication. If we were to focus this energy into Wikibooks, then the success stories would go to Wikibooks and help it to strengthen and grow - such as Otago's Anatomy and Physiology of Animals and soon 2 more texts. I've always considered Wikieducator t

[WikiEducator] Re: Building a sustainable WE OER Textbook initiative

Hi Leigh, Good question --- Why not use Wikibooks as an established platform? First off -- WikiEducator is not in competition with any of the freedom culture projects, including all the projects hosted by the Wikimedia Foundation. Rather, we are working collaboratively with all the OER content d

[WikiEducator] Re: Building a sustainable WE OER Textbook initiative

Maria and Alex...both of you make sense to me and as we say in French "Apparement nous ne sommes pas sortis de l'auberge". While education is fascinating for all the enlightenment, discussion, possibilities, perspectives and brainstorming, we need focus (I, of all people, asking for it..ironical..a

[WikiEducator] Re: Building a sustainable WE OER Textbook initiative

gt; > > > Alex > > > > > De:wikieducator@googlegroups.com > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] En nombre de Maria Droujkova > Enviado el: miércoles, 03 de diciembre de 2008 21:39 > Para: wikieducator@googlegroups.com > Asunto: [WikiEducator] Re: Building a susta

[WikiEducator] Re: Building a sustainable WE OER Textbook initiative

Hi Maria, I see what you're saying about the notion of "textbook" being outdated in the traditional sense. However, I suspect that the concept of "textbook" would mean different things to different people. To some people it may refer to very traditional texts, to others it may refer to self-instru

[WikiEducator] Re: Building a sustainable WE OER Textbook initiative

nombre de Maria Droujkova Enviado el: miércoles, 03 de diciembre de 2008 21:39 Para: wikieducator@googlegroups.com Asunto: [WikiEducator] Re: Building a sustainable WE OER Textbook initiative I'd like to ask a naive question: why use the "genre" of textbook at all? Isn't

[WikiEducator] Re: Building a sustainable WE OER Textbook initiative

Why would we use Wikieducator to develop "text books"? Seems to me that Wikibooks is already established as the platform for this. Perhaps your proposal isn't to specifically use Wikieducator but to use multiple platforms. But it does sound as though it will be a Wikieducator focus... On Thu, De

[WikiEducator] Re: Building a sustainable WE OER Textbook initiative

I'd like to ask a naive question: why use the "genre" of textbook at all? Isn't the very genre a bit... outdated? A definition from Wikipedia: "A *textbook* is a manual of instruction or a standard book in any branch of study. They are produced according to the demand of educational institutions."