> > That's different!
And it likely was. The ferrite loop stick transmitting with a distant pickup coil uniformly receiving regardless of distance was replicated. Not the same as the setup seen more recently. Also maybe more was/has been done but I was only interested in (and so only informed about) the uniform detected field strength regardless of distance not the overunity nature of it so I can't say what else it may have proven. But in my opinion the is the key to the effect. On 10/29/07, William Beaty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Sat, 27 Oct 2007, John Berry wrote: > > > but he did inform me of someone else (In Italy IIRC, which I very well > may > > not) who had replicated the effect and that is the same basic device > here. > > That's different! (And by replication, do you mean the stand-alone > operation, with no DC supply, no sig gen, no nothing except a ground > connection and some glowing LEDs?) > > I hadn't heard that anyone had made it work without being driven by a > signal generator (and with unknown power input from the sig gen.) > > > > Sometimes it pays not to squeeze everything to death especially when you > > don't know how it works > > Well, it depends on how tolerant we are of massive disappointment. If Ron > discovers that it's definitely being powered by the AM tower, and that > there is no unexplained energy source... will he happily go on to the > next experiment? > > Or will it be a crushing emotional blow? > > After watching (and occasionally experiencing) the failure of FE/OU > experiments, I see that these failures can permanently put people off of > experiments, if not ruin their lives or even push them off the deep end. > For this reason, it's *essential* to start off by making damn sure that > the discovery is real. > > Performing FE/OU experiments in the strong field of an AM radio station is > a recipe for emotional disaster. It's the same as including batteries in > your experiments rather than capacitors. It's the same as relying on > high-freq input power measurements for detecting OU. To avoid such > encounters with crushed hopes, we just need to be extremely paranoid that > the odd effect could very well turn out to be something conventional. > And then test the hell out it before daring to admit that something > unexplained is occurring. (Or set up the situation so there are no > conventional energy sources present at all.) > > > and instead go with the weight of evidence and > > probabilities which in this case is for something decidedly unusual > > occurring. (I'm not saying that it shouldn't be scrutinized, just that > it > > should be in balance with how little is known of this mysterious energy) > > It's either the nobel prize, **OR** it's just tapping into the AM radio > station. > > Talking about a mysterious energy as if it's been detected ...is falling > into the trap of belief-before-verification. As long as the possibility > of AM-tower energy reception is enormous, the possibility of enormous > crushing disappointment hovers over everyone who has decided that the > effect is a real anomaly. But I say again, for those who can repeatedly > tolerate these kinds of disappointments, then by all means don't bother > protecting yourself from them. Those among us with wide open sensitivity > should be wary, and should not risk leaping to a stance of belief before > the major pathways to disappointment have been blocked. > > > (((((((((((((((((( ( ( ( ( (O) ) ) ) ) ))))))))))))))))))) > William J. Beaty SCIENCE HOBBYIST website > billb at amasci com http://amasci.com > EE/programmer/sci-exhibits amateur science, hobby projects, sci fair > Seattle, WA 425-222-5066 unusual phenomena, tesla coils, weird sci > >
