> On Oct 15, 2018, at 5:36 AM, Rowan Worth wrote:
>
> Anyway my point is I'm not seeing evidence to support the assertion that
> gmail treats messages to the list in general as spammish.
Ditto.
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On Wed, 10 Oct 2018 at 05:18, Warren Young wrote:
> That event was the immediate spur to start this Fossil forum project, but
> if you search the archives, there are multiple threads. Here’s one from
> about a year ago:
>
>
>
On Tue, Oct 9, 2018 at 5:18 PM Warren Young wrote:
> ... The problem is happening because spam gets reflected off this list, so
> people click “This is Spam” in Gmail, which causes Gmail’s spam filters to
> treat all messages on the list as more spammish. The more that happens,
> the less
>> On Oct 9, 2018, at 7:19 PM, Warren Young wrote:
>>
>> The arguments about mailing lists vs forums have all been had.
> It’s not clear why this entire conversation is presented in such stark
terms: LIST
> *OR* FORUM. Puzzling.
>
> If this is all driven by DRH edict that “all things shall run
> On Oct 9, 2018, at 7:19 PM, Warren Young wrote:
>
> The arguments about mailing lists vs forums have all been had.
It’s not clear why this entire conversation is presented in such stark terms:
LIST *OR* FORUM. Puzzling.
If this is all driven by DRH edict that “all things shall run on
On Oct 11, 2018, at 12:06 AM, Random Coder wrote:
>
> On Wed, Oct 10, 2018 at 3:45 PM Warren Young wrote:
>> The salt is the project code combined with the user ID, not a secret
>> per-user salt. Both of those values are publicly visible, but it does
>> defeat rainbow table attacks, which is
On Oct 11, 2018, at 12:26 AM, Darren Duncan wrote:
>
> On 2018-10-10 1:36 PM, Eric wrote:
>> Too much overhead, how often must I clone ...
>
> This makes me think that it would be useful, if it doesn't already, for
> Fossil to have something analogous to a database replication feature.
That’s
On Wed, 10 Oct 2018 16:00:02 -0600, Warren Young wrote:
8><
There comes a point in any written discussion where point-by-point
answers become a risk to sanity. I think we are there.
It seems that a Fossil forum will someday be able to behave like a mailing
list. Good, but if the price
Darren Duncan wrote:
> On 2018-10-10 10:51 AM, Chris Green wrote:
> > Warren Young wrote:
> >> Fossil forum email alerts include the full content of the message.
>
> That's great! Especially if the alert email subject includes the forum
> thread
> subject.
>
> That said, I consider it
On Thursday, 11 October, 2018 00:22, Darren Duncan
wrote:
>On 2018-10-10 12:26 PM, Keith Medcalf wrote:
>> And if you think that I am going to create YET ANOTHER LOGIN and
>> YET ANOTHER PASSWORD just to use some crappy forum software, you have
>> another think coming.
> What do you think
On 2018-10-10 1:36 PM, Eric wrote:
Too much overhead, how often must I clone ...
This makes me think that it would be useful, if it doesn't already, for Fossil
to have something analogous to a database replication feature. A bit like a
mailing list but that the sender and client are both
On 2018-10-10 12:26 PM, Keith Medcalf wrote:
And if you think that I am going to create YET ANOTHER LOGIN and YET ANOTHER
PASSWORD just to use some crappy forum software, you have another think coming.
What do you think password managers are for? Proper security means having a
different
On 2018-10-10 10:51 AM, Chris Green wrote:
Warren Young wrote:
Fossil forum email alerts include the full content of the message.
That's great! Especially if the alert email subject includes the forum thread
subject.
That said, I consider it critical that these alert emails can also send
On Wed, Oct 10, 2018 at 3:45 PM Warren Young wrote:
> Fossil currently has no restrictions on password length[1] or content. The
> input text is simply salted, hashed, and inserted into the user table:
> [...]
> The salt is the project code combined with the user ID, not a secret per-user
>
On Oct 10, 2018, at 2:42 PM, Keith Medcalf wrote:
>
> On Wednesday, 10 October, 2018 14:08, Warren Young wrote:
>
>> On Oct 10, 2018, at 1:26 PM, Keith Medcalf wrote:
>
>> The “security code” is just a CAPTCHA
>
> I hate captcha's and will not use them. They require permitting unrestricted
On Oct 10, 2018, at 2:36 PM, Eric wrote:
>
> On Wed, 10 Oct 2018 11:10:24 -0600, Warren Young wrote:
>> On Oct 10, 2018, at 10:39 AM, Eric wrote:
>>>
>>> * mailing lists come to me, I don't have to go and get them
>>
>> So do Fossil email alerts.
>
> Do they thread?
They do in Apple Mail,
On Wed, 10 Oct 2018 14:08:11 -0600, Warren Young wrote:
8><
> I think I can summarize the real objection to this plan quite simply:
> nobody likes to have their cheese moved. But cheese moves nevertheless.
Cheese does not move, it gets moved. Even in the face of reasoned
arguments.
On Wednesday, 10 October, 2018 14:08, Warren Young wrote:
>On Oct 10, 2018, at 1:26 PM, Keith Medcalf
>wrote:
>> there is also absolutely no way to perform "positive identity
>checks" on a web page post that cannot be equally trivially
>falsified.
>You’re conflating physical identity with
On Wed, 10 Oct 2018 11:10:24 -0600, Warren Young wrote:
> On Oct 10, 2018, at 10:39 AM, Eric wrote:
>>
>> * mailing lists come to me, I don't have to go and get them
>
> So do Fossil email alerts.
Do they thread? Anyway I have to go and get context, and go elsewhere to
reply.
>> * mailing
On Oct 10, 2018, at 1:26 PM, Keith Medcalf wrote:
>
> there is also absolutely no way to perform "positive identity checks" on a
> web page post that cannot be equally trivially falsified.
You’re conflating physical identity with forum identity.
I don’t care whether you have state-approved
On Wednesday, 10 October, 2018 12:31, Warren Young wrote:
>On Oct 10, 2018, at 11:51 AM, Chris Green wrote:
>> Warren Young wrote:
>>> Fossil forum email alerts include the full content of the message.
>> And can you then simply 'reply' from your E-Mail client? If not
>> then it doesn't
> On Oct 10, 2018, at 8:31 PM, Warren Young wrote:
>
> addresses can be *forged*
forged fɔːdʒd/ adjective • copied fraudulently; fake.
O no! :(
Perhaps the time has come for you to learn the gory details of that so-called
'Simple Mail Transfer Protocol'! :)
Simple, but
> On Oct 10, 2018, at 8:31 PM, Warren Young wrote:
>
> The next version of Fossil is likely to include a fully-capable SMTP server
Zawinski's Law at work! :D
“Every program attempts to expand until it can read mail. Those programs which
cannot so expand are replaced by ones which can.”
On Oct 10, 2018, at 11:51 AM, Chris Green wrote:
>
> Warren Young wrote:
>> Fossil forum email alerts include the full content of the message.
>
> And can you then simply 'reply' from your E-Mail client? If not then
> it doesn't really help much.
I already addressed that up-thread. The next
Warren Young wrote:
> On Oct 10, 2018, at 11:23 AM, Tim Streater wrote:
> >
> > On 10 Oct 2018, at 18:10, Warren Young wrote:
> >
> >> On Oct 10, 2018, at 10:39 AM, Eric wrote:
> >>>
> >>> * mailing lists come to me, I don't have to go and get them
> >>
> >> So do Fossil email alerts.
> >
> On Oct 10, 2018, at 6:02 PM, Warren Young wrote:
>
> I’ve written up a long list of advantages to the Fossil forum feature here:
Quixotic, but your dedication has to be applauded.
Could we agree to disagree though?
Or is it a case of "somebody is wrong on the internet”?
On Oct 10, 2018, at 11:23 AM, Tim Streater wrote:
>
> On 10 Oct 2018, at 18:10, Warren Young wrote:
>
>> On Oct 10, 2018, at 10:39 AM, Eric wrote:
>>>
>>> * mailing lists come to me, I don't have to go and get them
>>
>> So do Fossil email alerts.
>
> So there's an unecessary email I've
On 10 Oct 2018, at 18:10, Warren Young wrote:
> On Oct 10, 2018, at 10:39 AM, Eric wrote:
>>
>> * mailing lists come to me, I don't have to go and get them
>
> So do Fossil email alerts.
So there's an unecessary email I've just received telling me to go to the
forum. I hate emails like that.
On Oct 10, 2018, at 10:39 AM, Eric wrote:
>
> * mailing lists come to me, I don't have to go and get them
So do Fossil email alerts.
> * mailing lists all work the same
No, they don’t.
There are many different mailing list managers, each with different
subscription methods, unsubscription
On Wed, 10 Oct 2018 22:48:37 +1100, "Gary R. Schmidt" wrote:
> On 10/10/2018 22:20, Petite Abeille wrote:
> >
> [SNIP]
> > ( Also, fwiw: please keep the mailing list, it's perfectly functional as
> > is. )
> >
> Seconded.
>
> It isn't broken, so please don't try and fix it.
That, and
*
On Oct 10, 2018, at 9:09 AM, Eric wrote:
>
> I don't think that "all been had" applies.
Pedantically speaking, yes, you’re right, every possible argument has not been
had on this mailing list yet.
In order to avoid an “infinite monkeys” argument, let’s make it concrete: what
substantial
On Tue, 9 Oct 2018 15:17:52 -0600, Warren Young wrote:
> On Oct 9, 2018, at 1:56 PM, Eric wrote:
> >
> > I suppose I must be an "anti-forum type" even though I have never used
> > Gmane, but it does rather sound as though you are applying a somewhat
> > perjorative label here.
>
> I make no
Gary R. Schmidt wrote:
> On 10/10/2018 22:20, Petite Abeille wrote:
> >
> [SNIP]
> > ( Also, fwiw: please keep the mailing list, it's perfectly functional as
> > is. )
> >
> Seconded.
>
> It isn't broken, so please don't try and fix it.
>
Exactly! :-)
--
Chris Green
·
On 10/10/2018 22:20, Petite Abeille wrote:
[SNIP]
( Also, fwiw: please keep the mailing list, it's perfectly functional as is. )
Seconded.
It isn't broken, so please don't try and fix it.
Cheers,
GaryB-)
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> On Oct 9, 2018, at 11:42 PM, Simon Slavin wrote:
>
> On 9 Oct 2018, at 10:38pm, Keith Medcalf wrote:
>
>> And just what is NSFW spam?
>
> Messages purporting to come from young women. Some including images
> purporting to be them in various states of undress.
( How does one subscribe?
On 9 Oct 2018, at 10:38pm, Keith Medcalf wrote:
> And just what is NSFW spam?
Messages purporting to come from young women. Some including images purporting
to be them in various states of undress.
Simon.
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>One of the problems we’ve been having on these lists is that every
>time someone posts to it, they get NSFW spam, presumably because by
>posting, you’ve just proven that your email address is valid.
>Everyone on the ML sees the poster’s email address. My mailer
>included yours in the quoting
On Oct 9, 2018, at 2:50 PM, Darren Duncan wrote:
>
> On 2018-10-09 12:56 PM, Eric wrote:
>> On Tue, 9 Oct 2018 11:19:13 -0600, Warren Young wrote:
>>> Gmane is part of the problem that lead to the creation of the Fossil
>>> forum feature. Viz., it enables spammers, by design:
>>>
>>>
On Oct 9, 2018, at 1:56 PM, Eric wrote:
>
> I suppose I must be an "anti-forum type" even though I have never used
> Gmane, but it does rather sound as though you are applying a somewhat
> perjorative label here.
I make no value judgement. If you are against web forums, then you are
On 2018-10-09 12:56 PM, Eric wrote:
On Tue, 9 Oct 2018 11:19:13 -0600, Warren Young wrote:
Gmane is part of the problem that lead to the creation of the Fossil
forum feature. Viz., it enables spammers, by design:
http://gmane.org/about/
I don't see that page saying what you claim it
On Tue, 9 Oct 2018 11:19:13 -0600, Warren Young wrote:
> On Oct 9, 2018, at 7:48 AM, Scott Robison wrote:
>>
>> Isn't Gmane a web forum style interface to email lists?
>
> Gmane also provides NNTP access. I suspect the anti-forum types are
> using Usenet news readers to follow such lists.
On Oct 9, 2018, at 7:48 AM, Scott Robison wrote:
>
> Isn't Gmane a web forum style interface to email lists?
Gmane also provides NNTP access. I suspect the anti-forum types are using
Usenet news readers to follow such lists.
Gmane is part of the problem that lead to the creation of the
On Tue, Oct 9, 2018, 6:34 AM Will Parsons wrote:
> On Sunday, 7 Oct 2018 5:25 PM -0400, Keith Medcalf wrote:
> >
> > Many people do not "do" web forums. I am one of them. If there is not
> a mailing list then it does not exist.
>
> I completely agree. I read and post to the SQLite mailing
On Sunday, 7 Oct 2018 5:25 PM -0400, Keith Medcalf wrote:
>
> Many people do not "do" web forums. I am one of them. If there is not a
> mailing list then it does not exist.
I completely agree. I read and post to the SQLite mailing via Gmane,
and I used to do the same for Fossil. Now that
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