including our very own little 'attic' :) Actually the big difference between the incubator and a mf subproject would be the IP clearance. We really need to do this upfront before importing. But actually I like this much more than having projects developed outside and only later brought into our SVN - because this causes lots of paperwork (gas grants and a IP clearance review is mandatory).
Thus a +1 LieGrue, strub >________________________________ >From: Gerhard Petracek <gerhard.petra...@gmail.com> >To: MyFaces Development <dev@myfaces.apache.org> >Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 10:58 AM >Subject: Re: [html5] alpha release for myfaces html5 > > >a different idea would be a small myfaces-incubator for new project-ideas >(esp. for gsoc projects). >we can release parts easily and drop them if we see that something doesn't >work for our community. if an idea works for the community, we can discuss the >correct place for it. > > >we might see new gsoc projects (related to myfaces) every year. imo it's the >wrong approach to just add them as new sub-project and we don't have the >resources/community to maintain them. > > >regards, >gerhard > >http://www.irian.at > >Your JSF powerhouse - >JSF Consulting, Development and >Courses in English and German > >Professional Support for Apache MyFaces > > > > >2011/10/22 Bernd Bohmann <bernd.bohm...@atanion.com> > >Ha, I don't think we should wait for the jsf-eg. >> >>Hey guys they are asking for a alpha release. >>In my opinion as long this lib is html5 only it should not be part of >>the tomahawk project. >> >>I don't see any problems in releasing an alpha release. But before a >>beta we should decide own extension or tomahawk. >> >>Regards >> >>Bernd >> >> >>On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 9:31 AM, Gerhard Petracek >><gerhard.petra...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> it's planned that jsf2.2 will get some sort of html5 support. >>> imo we should work together with the jsf-eg to ensure that we won't promote >>> incompatible components. >>> regards, >>> gerhard >>> >>> http://www.irian.at >>> >>> Your JSF powerhouse - >>> JSF Consulting, Development and >>> Courses in English and German >>> >>> Professional Support for Apache MyFaces >>> >>> >>> >>> 2011/10/22 Mark Struberg <strub...@yahoo.de> >>>> >>>> +1 for moving it to tomahawk. >>>> >>>> One big open question for me is our html5 strategy at all. >>>> >>>> Will the html5 components provide legacy html support themselfs? >>>> Thus a calendar component will use jQuery (or whatever) calendar when a >>>> non-html5 browser is detected, >>>> or is this in the responsibility of the developer? >>>> >>>> if (html5){ >>>> aaaa >>>> >>>> } else{ >>>> bbbb //fallback >>>> >>>> } >>>> >>>> ? >>>> >>>> Afaik our current html5 components 'only' support pure html5 rendering, >>>> isn't? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> LieGrue, >>>> strub >>>> >>>> >>>> >________________________________ >>>> >From: Gerhard Petracek <gerhard.petra...@gmail.com> >>>> >To: MyFaces Development <dev@myfaces.apache.org> >>>> >Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 10:22 PM >>>> >Subject: Re: [html5] alpha release for myfaces html5 >>>> > >>>> > >>>> >@grant: +1 >>>> > >>>> > >>>> >regards, >>>> >gerhard >>>> > >>>> > >>>> >http://www.irian.at >>>> > >>>> >Your JSF powerhouse - >>>> >JSF Consulting, Development and >>>> >Courses in English and German >>>> > >>>> >Professional Support for Apache MyFaces >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> >2011/10/21 Grant Smith <work.gr...@gmail.com> >>>> > >>>> >I must agree with Gerhard. The whole point of the sandbox is for this >>>> > very purpose. However, perhaps we should look at the sandbox more often >>>> > and >>>> > vote on components that are ready to "graduate". >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >>On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 1:12 PM, Gerhard Petracek >>>> >> <gerhard.petra...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >> >>>> >>hi leo, >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>>imo such an argument doesn't justify an own sub-project. i >don't< say >>>> >>> -1. my point is that we should discuss it (esp. because the situation >>>> >>> changed). >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>>regards, >>>> >>>gerhard >>>> >>> >>>> >>>http://www.irian.at >>>> >>> >>>> >>>Your JSF powerhouse - >>>> >>>JSF Consulting, Development and >>>> >>>Courses in English and German >>>> >>> >>>> >>>Professional Support for Apache MyFaces >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>>2011/10/21 Leonardo Uribe <lu4...@gmail.com> >>>> >>> >>>> >>>Hi >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>The problem with move to tomahawk sandbox is those artifact can't >>>> >>>>never be released. Do an alpha release give us the chance to know if >>>> >>>>the bits are good enough, get more feedback, and later decide what to >>>> >>>>do. The truth is some people only test some artifacts "after" a >>>> >>>>release. Do it as an alpha release means "... software that has just >>>> >>>>been compiled and ready for its initial test inhouse. ...". I think >>>> >>>>that is enough clear. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>regards, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>Leonardo Uribe >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>2011/10/21 Gerhard Petracek <gerhard.petra...@gmail.com>: >>>> >>>>> hi ali, >>>> >>>>> most commits happened "directly" after the initial import. that >>>> >>>>> didn't look >>>> >>>>> very promising. >>>> >>>>> it's great to hear that you plan to continue. >>>> >>>>> however, since we haven't seen a lot of activity, we should re-visit >>>> >>>>> the >>>> >>>>> option to move the components to tomahawk (btw. tomahawk-sandbox). >>>> >>>>> regards, >>>> >>>>> gerhard >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> http://www.irian.at >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> Your JSF powerhouse - >>>> >>>>> JSF Consulting, Development and >>>> >>>>> Courses in English and German >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> Professional Support for Apache MyFaces >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> 2011/10/21 Ali Ok <al...@aliok.com.tr> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> Hi, >>>> >>>>>> Thank you Leonardo for volunteering in the release. >>>> >>>>>> Yes, it would be good discussing the future. >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> I am still working on the project. Leonardo and I am the only ones >>>> >>>>>> at the >>>> >>>>>> moment. >>>> >>>>>> I am trying to work on the project 1 night a week, so the progress >>>> >>>>>> is >>>> >>>>>> slow. I think it will be like this for a while. >>>> >>>>>> We have a few issues to fix / features to implement already in the >>>> >>>>>> issue >>>> >>>>>> tracker, and I am going to add more. There isn't enough feedback, >>>> >>>>>> since I >>>> >>>>>> guess Html5 stuff is still not supported by every browser and not >>>> >>>>>> everyone >>>> >>>>>> can use them. So the user profile is more like enthusiasts who are >>>> >>>>>> experimenting with Html5. >>>> >>>>>> What we could do is providing fallback for old browsers out of the >>>> >>>>>> box, >>>> >>>>>> but it is really hard to implement. >>>> >>>>>> About the future: there is a lot to do in this area and I am >>>> >>>>>> willing to >>>> >>>>>> work, but I can say I can spare limited time. >>>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>> That's the intention of this mail. I think we should do an alpha >>>> >>>>>>> release. I don't see reasons to block a release. >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> I agree. >>>> >>>>>> I am pretty sure a release is good for the project, more people >>>> >>>>>> will hear >>>> >>>>>> about it; and hopefully we can get some feedback. >>>> >>>>>> Cheers, >>>> >>>>>> Ali >>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 8:50 PM, Werner Punz >>>> >>>>>> <werner.p...@gmail.com> >>>> >>>>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>> +1 >>>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>> Am 10/21/11 7:56 PM, schrieb Leonardo Uribe: >>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> Hi >>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> That's the intention of this mail. I think we should do an alpha >>>> >>>>>>>> release. I don't see reasons to block a release. >>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> regards, >>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> Leonardo Uribe >>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> 2011/10/21 Gerhard Petracek<gerhard.petra...@gmail.com>: >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> before we release it, we should (imo) discuss the future of this >>>> >>>>>>>>> module. >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> regards, >>>> >>>>>>>>> gerhard >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> http://www.irian.at >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> Your JSF powerhouse - >>>> >>>>>>>>> JSF Consulting, Development and >>>> >>>>>>>>> Courses in English and German >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> Professional Support for Apache MyFaces >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> 2011/10/21 Leonardo Uribe<lu4...@gmail.com> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi >>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> It could be good to do an alpha release of myfaces html5 next >>>> >>>>>>>>>> week. >>>> >>>>>>>>>> The site for this project is: >>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> http://myfaces.apache.org/html5/ >>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> If no objections I'll do the necessary steps. >>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> regards, >>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> Leonardo Uribe >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> -- >>>> >>>>>> My Blog: http://blog.aliok.com.tr >>>> >>>>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/aliok_tr >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >>-- >>>> >>Grant Smith - V.P. Information Technology >>>> >>Marathon Computer Systems, LLC. >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>> >>> >> > > >
