*This post is so filled with false statements that it would send
a lie detector off the charts.*
**
*I suggest you read more about the murder of Matthew Shepard.*
*It was not a drug deal, as you falsely claim. Shepard only had
five dollars on him, and no drugs. He was not a drug user, as the
two murderers were.*
*Shepard was offered a ride home from the bar, then was
kidnapped, robbed, bullied, pistol whipped, had his skull
fractured, was tied to a fence and left to die in the cold
because he was gay and was perceived by McKinney and Henderson
be an easy target, at their own admission in the trial.*
**
*The convicted murderer Aaron McKinney lied in prison to get off
with a chance at parole. and to claim it was not a hate crime,
which it clearly was. You are spouting off the lies of the
convicted murderers, and may I ask why you believe their false
statements above the factual evidence? *
**
*You are assuming other things as well. When have I ever said
that I was gay or bi or straight? Never! *
**
*Keith, you are misguided and mistaken. *
**
*In addition, to repeat yet again, Democrats are not Marxists,
Socialists, or Communists. No, they are not.
*
On 10/5/10, *Keith In Tampa* <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Hello Nominal,
Yes.
This is not to say that there are probably millions of
individuals who are Gay, that don't fall into the "Militant
Gay Agenda" category; but look at Tom, and all of the
articles that he cuts and pastes. Take a gander at the web
sites that are spreading vicious hateful lies, (and as you
just admitted, the story continues to unfold). Take a look
at how Matthew Shepard was made into a poster child for "hate
crimes" and the whole story was premised on a lie.
Does Tom speak for the majority of, or the minority of Gays
in the United States? I dunno the answer to that. I do know
that there are a lot of those with the "militant Gay Agenda"
syndrome.
On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 2:04 PM, nominal9 <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Hi Keith....
I agree that the situation here is still being uncovered and
speculation may well be premature.....However, I ask you
to consider
your own "Gay Agenda" claim.....Do you think that it is
fair to lump
anyone's personal individual situation into a broad,
generalised
classification such as a "group" Gay Agenda political
context?....
On Oct 5, 1:13 pm, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
> Hey Nominal,
>
> I am not exactly sure what your point is. Maybe I am
missing Mark's too,
> so feel free to chime in and correct me if I am mistaken.
>
> Let's review:
>
> This kid that we are referencing, killed himself.
Committed suicide.
> Personally, I would classify that as some kind of mental
illness. It had
> nothing to do with anyone else killing him, the kid
decided to take his own
> life.
>
> The facts are just now coming out about this
matter....Turns out that maybe
> this had nothing to do with the roommate surrepticiously
filming and then,
> purportedly putting the film on the web. There are a
number of links on the
> web now, but the bottom line, is that it appears that
Tyler Clementi wasn't
> all that upset with his roommate.
>
> The point being, is that once again, we have a militant
Gay Agenda,
> attempting to write a narrative that is both untruthful
and misleading.
>
> There was no bullying (at least documented) of Tyler
Clementi. Much like
> the Matthew Shepard story, where Shepard was purportedly
killed because of
> his sexual orientation, it turned out that Shepard was
killed because he was
> in a drug deal that went bad.
>
> Likewise, it appears that Mr. Clementi's suicide was
caused by something
> other than the alleged "Bullying".
>
> It's just a little lie......
>
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 12:28 PM, nominal9
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
> > Mark.... this "weakness" claim of yours is
a"fiction".... doesn't
> > comport with human experience. Take the example of
"growing up"...
> > from birth to relative maturity. At what point does a
baby or a child
> > lose his/her emotional "weakness"....? Is a baby who
is physically or
> > mentally abused by "grown-ups" (depraved ones, let's
say)....
> > emotionally weak... for crying or trying to escape? If
not a "baby"
> > then at what point in an abusive continuum does a
"youngster" develop
> > into emotional "maturity" and therefor no longer has a
right to claim
> > victimization from an abuser.... twelve, thirteen,
eighteen, twenty-
> > one... thirty-five... fifty?
> > You seem to have this John Wayne tough-guy movie
fiction working in
> > your head.....Maybe you should talk to some
honest-to-goodness, real-
> > life stand-up people.... and stop depending on
romanticized "gung-ho"
> > pablum for your assumptions into something you
probably have never
> > experienced, yourself....
> > Sounds like tough talk on my part.... but, frankly,
tell me if and
> > when you have had experience in this regard,
yourself... you know...
> > standing up to very aggressive or assertive people,
who struck
> > understandable and "doable" fear into you....
>
> > On Oct 5, 10:07 am, Mark <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
> > > Oh, but they are weaknesses....... show me ONE that
is a strength or that
> > > makes you NORMAL. It is a weakness in fact and by
definition.
>
> > > On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 7:51 AM, Tommy News
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
> > > > *No Mark. You are misinformed.*
> > > > **
> > > > *Depression is not a weakness, it is a mental
illness.*
> > > > **
> > > > *Ilnesses are not weaknesses.
> > > > *
>
> > > > On 10/4/10, Mark <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>
> > > >> *****Depression is something more that a purely
"psychological"
> > > >> condition... it's "social", too.****
>
> > > >> Please explain which disease or weakness of the
Psyche is not effected
> > by
> > > >> ALL outside influences.... Depression is a
weakness... if you want
> > protected
> > > >> because you have it... wear a sign... do not
expect different or
> > special
> > > >> treatment by anyone unless you inform them all.
>
> > > >> Again, to drive him over the edge he must have
been doing something
> > that
> > > >> he found so personally, morally or socially
repugnant/unacceptable...
> > for
> > > >> whatever reason and this is and was his OWN problem.
>
> > > >> As to candid cameraman... prosecute him.... but
NOT for the boys
> > suicide
> > > >> (read the definition).
>
> > > >> On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 9:16 AM, nominal9
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>
> > > >>> Depression is something more that a purely
"psychological"
> > > >>> condition... it's "social", too. This young
person suicide victim was
> > > >>> doing well enough until he was harassed (at
least twice, apparently)
> > > >>> by his room-mate. The "victim" was definitely
the "recipient" of the
> > > >>> act of being video-recorded in his sex acts
(without his knowledge or
> > > >>> consent, against his will) anfd then having
those video-recordings
> > > >>> broadcast to the public. This is a two part
question of "psychology"
> > > >>> the psychology of the room-mate (as
agent/patient) who performed the
> > > >>> act and the the psychology of the Victim (as
patient/recipient)
> > > >>> first.. turned (as agent patient) into the
performer of his own act
> > of
> > > >>> suicide.
>
> > > >>> ROOM-MATE
> > > >>> I hate homos / want them dead....I tolerate
homos / they can live
> > > >>> C(BAD)..........R(BAD)....
> > > >>> I hate homos / they can live..........I tolerate
homos / want them
> > > >>> dead
>
> > > >>> VICTIM
> > > >>> love oneself / live.... hate oneself / suicide
> > > >>> C(GOOD).......R(GOOD)....
> > > >>> love oneself / suicide... hate oneself / live
>
> > > >>> ROOM-MATE
> > > >>> Harass / Peep&Shame......Respect / Honor Privacy
> > > >>> C(BAD)....R(BAD)....
> > > >>> Harass / Honor Privacy......Respect / Peep&Shame
>
> > > >>> VICTIM
> > > >>> hate oneself / suicide......love oneself / live
> > > >>> C(BAD) .......R(BAD)......
> > > >>> hateoneself / live............love oneself / suicide
>
> > > >>> Basically, the VICTIM, after the "motivated act"
of the ROOMMATE took
> > > >>> on the Sentiment (hate) and the intent (public
shame) of the act that
> > > >>> was performed against him and acted as the
ROOM-MATE "wanted" him
> > > >>> to.... he was "impresssionable", or appalled by
the "cruelty" of
> > > >>> someone who could have (should have) been a
"friend' (strictly that)
> > > >>> and decided to give the ROOM-MATE what he
desired...... personally,
> > my
> > > >>> moral compass (and sense of justice) tells me
that he should have
> > > >>> killed the ROOM-MATE, instead.
>
> > > >>> On Oct 1, 7:53 pm, Mark <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
> > > >>> > Tommy, No.
>
> > > >>> > Depression and or the propensity for it
definitely varies person to
> > > >>> person
> > > >>> > with EVERYONE being different and having their
own limits. Only
> > those
> > > >>> with
> > > >>> > one foot on the ledge can be shoved over.
>
> > > >>> > On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 5:30 PM, Tommy News
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
> > > >>> wrote:
> > > >>> > > *Your twisted pretzel logic does not pass
muster.*
> > > >>> > > **
> > > >>> > > *You fail to see that depression is often
triggered by the acts
> > of
> > > >>> others,
> > > >>> > > such as bullies and abusive homophobic
taunters.*
> > > >>> > > **
> > > >>> > > *Suicide is caused by many factors.*
>
> > > >>> > > *Hatred, bullies, and bigotry are also
caused by many factors.*
>
> > > >>> > > On 10/1/10, Jonathan Ashley
<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
> > wrote:
>
> > > >>> > >> *SUICIDE*, n. [L. suicidium; se and coedo,
to slay.]
> > > >>> > >> 1. Self-murder; the act of designedly
destroying one's own life.
>
> > > >>> > >> By definition, one cannot cause someone
else to commit
> > > >>> "self-murder." If
> > > >>> > >> someone else can be factually proven to be
at fault, then that
> > > >>> individual
> > > >>> > >> would be guilty of murder.
>
> > > >>> > >> Has the individual who took the video been
arrested for murder?
> > If
> > > >>> not,
> > > >>> > >> you are jousting at windmills.
>
> > > >>> > >> On 10/1/2010 1:08 PM, Tommy News wrote:
>
> > > >>> > >> *Ignorant homophobes like you cause these
suicides.*
>
> > > >>> > >> On 10/1/10, Mark <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>
> > > >>> > >>> No Tommy, it is not. The urge to destroy
oneself is as ancient
> > as
> > > >>> life
> > > >>> > >>> itself. There are so very many reasons
people do this to
> > > >>> themselves, both
> > > >>> > >>> real and unreal reasons. There is however
ONE reason ALL
> > suicides
> > > >>> do
> > > >>> > >>> this.... they are too weak to cope and
that, Sir, is a personal
> > > >>> problem. It
> > > >>> > >>> is NOT societal, and NOT something that
can be legislated that
> > > >>> causes me to
> > > >>> > >>> lose the freedom to ask if someone is Gay
or Lesbian (for
> > whatever
> > > >>> reason)
> > > >>> > >>> or to call someone a flaming Queen if they
are acting like one.
>
> > > >>> > >>> On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 1:05 PM, Tommy News <
> > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
> > > >>> wrote:
>
> > > >>> > >>>> *Markie, Markie, Markie.*
> > > >>> > >>>> **
> > > >>> > >>>> *Your ugly negativity and snarky spin is
most perverse.*
> > > >>> > >>>> *One suicide is one too many.*
>
> > > >>> > >>>> *No man is an island*
>
> > > >>> > >>>> No man is an island entire of
itself; every man
> > > >>> > >>>> is a piece of the continent, a part of
the main;
> > > >>> > >>>> if a clod be washed away by the sea, Europe
> > > >>> > >>>> is the less, as well as if a promontory
were, as
> > > >>> > >>>> well as any manner of thy friends or of thine
> > > >>> > >>>> own were; any man's death diminishes me,
> > > >>> > >>>> because I am involved in mankind.
> > > >>> > >>>> And therefore never send to know for whom
> > > >>> > >>>> the bell tolls; it tolls for thee.
>
> > > >>> > >>>> -John Donne
>
> > > >>> > >>>> On 10/1/10, Mark <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>
> > > >>> > >>>>> Tommy, Tommy, Tommy,
>
> > > >>> > >>>>> He must have had a really poor self
image... short of that
> > > >>> nothing
> > > >>> > >>>>> could "Make" him commit suicide. Suicide
IS against the law,
> > > >>> isn't it ??
>
> > > >>> > >>>>> So you are basically saying "Mommy,
Mommy, he made me do it
> > !!"
>
> > > >>> > >>>>> Not much of a defense when prejudice of
one kind or another
> > > >>> exists in
> > > >>> > >>>>> EVERY walk of life.
>
> > > >>> > >>>>> On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 10:33 AM, Tommy
News <
> > > >>> [email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>wrote:
>
> > > >>> > >>>>>> *This is not one isolated incident.
The problem of
> > homophobia
> > > >>> is
> > > >>> > >>>>>> societal and must be eradicated. *
>
> > > >>> > >>>>>> *This week , I heard about 3 –
>
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