date:20010103


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James writes about something called the SMO, the standard morning
outburst. Stephanopoulos called it "the wave." [I'm] talking
about Clinton's temper. How did you see it? Were you ever on the
receiving end? Did you ever watch it, and what was it like?

 [Laughter.] Yeah. I was fortunate enough not to have to be on
the receiving end that often, although anybody who dealt with the
press, was perceived to be responsible for the press, said things
to the press, would often be on the receiving [end]. But I got a
lot less of it than George and James or Stan Greenberg, other
people who were around.

But in a way it was impersonal. He was kind of letting off steam
a lot and ranting and yelling at people, but it wasn't like
you're an idiot. A lot of politicians are known for totally
berating people in really personal ways. He really wasn't like
that.

 It was hard because he wanted things to be done that a lot of
times staff didn't think should be done. We were trying to stay
the course or follow through on a strategy and something would go
wrong and he'd want to change it in his morning purple rage. And,
so, a lot of times it was difficult to kind of hold the line
against what he wanted at that moment.

In the last sort of frantic, frenetic hours before the election
in '92, Bill and Hillary give Ted Koppel an interview on the
plane. And one of the things that Hillary Clinton said is she's
going to maintain a zone of privacy and she's going to live a
normal life. What'd you think when you heard that?

 I thought that was a reasonable thing to want. After everything
that they had been through and how personal it was and how
destructive it was in a lot of ways. I mean some of it was just a
feeding frenzy for the sake of feeding frenzy. I didn't think
that was unreasonable. In hindsight, I think even if Mrs. Clinton
believed that, and I still think in many ways it's a fair desire,
I would've had a much stronger reaction to it now. And if I'd had
an opportunity I would have tried to counsel her against saying
it. It's one thing to try to do it; it's another thing to try to
set up a bull's eye on your head or create an issue where you
don't need to. I guess I should be embarrassed to say it didn't
really jump out at me at the time. I thought it was reasonable.

 It would be a good thing if there was a little more privacy
around people who have to make really difficult decisions so that
they could have a place to reflect and people they could talk to
without being confident it was going to end up in the press or at
least in a book at some point. But I guess the president doesn't
really have that luxury. I think it would be a healthy thing for
the country but in the culture in which we live, it's not really
possible.

What do you remember about either Election Day or Election Night
or any conversations you had with the president-elect? Anything
that jumps out from that time?

 I remember flying around and Nightline was there. We were going
from, I think Ft. Worth, Texas to Albuquerque or something. It
was three o'clock in the morning, and we were playing hearts. We
had the Saturday Night Live  somebody had edited together all
the political skits from the previous years  on the VCR, and we
were just drinking coffee, and playing cards. And I said to
him,"Did you ever think you'd get here?" And he looked at me like
I was nuts. He said, "Yeah. I always thought this was possible."
He looked at me like "Why do you think I got into this race? Why
are you asking me this question?"

 I realized then that of course he could always imagine it. I
don't know that he was confident that he would win but he knew he
had a chance and he knew that if he could run the kind of
campaign that he wanted to run that he would win. And you know
what? There were so few people in the country and the world who
believed that when he did, he was once again a step ahead.

 So we finished our little tour and I remember going to the
Governor's Mansion and down to the basement about 8 o'clock. By
that point we already knew it was pretty much over. I mean we
knew we were going to win. But seeing that map, standing in the
basement  they had a TV down there  and he kind of had a half
grin on his face looking at the map turning whatever color we
were. I think it was different on different networks. As the
electoral college count came in and he was closer and closer to
that magic number, it was just the weirdest. It's almost
anticlimactic in a way.

 It's like "Wow, here we are and he's the next president and he's
just standing here in his basement, watching TV like millions of
other Americans right now." It was just very strange. But I think
it's in an odd way slightly anticlimactic, even though it's the
biggest thing that can ever happen in politics to you.

Clinton is elected. The transition begins. One of the sort of
generic criticisms that's come out is that you had this staff
that had just won a campaign, yet you were all young, rela

[CTRL] ABC: Meyers Interview 1 of 3


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ABC News

Dee Dee Meyers Interview

She was spokeswoman for Clinton's 1992 campaign and White House
Press Secretary for the first two years of his presidency. She
resigned in December 1994.

 Interview conducted June, 2000 by Chris Bury

Tell us about the first time you met Bill Clinton.

 The first time I met Bill Clinton was actually 1988. I was
working for Michael Dukakis here in Los Angeles. Mrs. Dukakis had
hurt her neck and the governor decided to go home and be with
her, but in Los Angeles a huge fundraiser [was already planned]
that [cost] $25,000 a couple or some astronomical figure. And we
had about 24 hours to find somebody to replace the candidate.

 So [we] called around and the only person we could find who
could get there was Bill Clinton. And he flew in and came and
gave a speech at this dinner and completely knocked everybody
over. People thought, "My God, this guy's fantastic. Why isn't he
the nominee?"

 He was sure of what he believed, he was funny, he was droll.
Then about a month later he gave that awful rambling introductory
speech at the convention which really put the brakes on his
career for a brief time.

How did you come to work for him in the '92 campaign?

 I came in the fall of '91, through a mutual friend, a guy named
Mickey Kantor, who went on to be secretary of commerce, both of
us from Los Angeles. He called me one day and said, "You know
Bill Clinton's getting ready to run for president and he's
looking for a press secretary. Why don't you come spend some time
with him?" And I was ambivalent. I thought Bush was very popular
at the time, still sort of riding high on the aftermath of the
Gulf War.

 Most of my friends had already sort of given up on the idea of
electing a Democrat in '92. But I was persuaded by Mickey. I had
met [Clinton] by then two or three times. I didn't know him, but
I had met him and seen him speak. [I] had listened to him and
thought he was saying some interesting things. So I agreed to go
spend the day with him. Bill Clinton is a very persuasive
individual. I was convinced that I wanted to go work for him [by
the end of the day]. And a couple of days later they called me
and asked me if I was offered the job would I take it? I said,
"Yeah." I was working on another campaign at the time, which
wouldn't finish for another four or five weeks. And they agreed
to wait for me. And so off I went in the fall of '91, not knowing
if I was going to be gone for a week or a couple of months or, as
it turned out, a few years.

What was it like on the road with him early in the campaign?

 It's great to be at the beginning of a campaign because for many
trips it was myself, Bruce Lindsay, Bill Clinton, and an Arkansas
state trooper. No reporter is flying around in borrowed
twin-engine airplanes. But in many ways it's the most exciting
time in a campaign. And Clinton quickly captured the imagination
of the press corps. He was taken pretty seriously. It was not a
stellar field.

But there was still the one great question at that point which
was, will Mario Cuomo get in? And so the first few months of that
fall campaign there was a kind of guarded optimism on the part of
the campaign, which was small, and a guarded enthusiasm on behalf
of the media, which was still waiting to see if the liberal
savior Governor Cuomo would get in.

 But it was interesting because by this time [I had] worked for a
lot of politicians. I saw a candidate who knew why he wanted to
be president and he knew how to get there. He didn't know whether
he would be successful, but he had in his head kind of a roadmap
based on issues. He had a sense of where the country was. There
was this uneasiness, this kind of economic anxiety and he was
pulling together a team that was going to help him get there. He
was the engine that was driving it and from the very beginning I
was really aware this was a special politician. This was somebody
who had more innate talent, both with the substantive side and
the politics, than anyone I'd been around. And it was just
fascinating to watch him.

Talk about the politics. Stephanopoulos calls Clinton "the
thoroughbred."

 Yeah. We used to jokingly sometimes call him "Secretariat" 
which we stopped because we were afraid someone was going to
write it  because he was a thoroughbred. He was a pure bred.

 I'm a baseball freak. So I say he's the guy who could throw a
no-hitter and hit 50 home runs. I mean nobody can do that. You
know, nobody can master the substantive side of policy and
genuinely thrive on the human contact of the politics. But he
does both. He was the best strategist in the campaign most of the
time. He was totally steeped in the details of how many electoral
votes, how many states are we targeting, why are we targeting
them, what's our organization in those states, who are the local
elected officials who are going to be with us, does this make
sense? Every step of the way he was totally involved in decision
making. And then he let

[CTRL] TIL: Iraq rejects Saddam death claims


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http://www.thisislondon.com/html/news.html

03 January 2001

Iraq rejects Saddam death claims

by Peter Griffiths

Mystery surrounds the health of Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein this
afternoon.

Iraq's Ministry of Information has rejected Opposition claims
that Saddam, 63, is clinging to life after suffering a massive
stroke at a New Year's Day military parade.

Rumours about the dictator's health have swept the Middle East
since television pictures of the huge march in Bagdhad suddenly
stopped.

Opposition group, the Supreme Council for Islamic Revolution in
Iraq yesterday claimed the loss of pictures was proof Saddam had
fallen ill or even died.

But the Iraqi government rejected the allegations.

"These reports are so silly that they do not even deserve a
reply," said Salam Khatab al-Nassiri, director-general of the
Information Department of the Ministry of Culture and
Information.

"He also fired more than 140 shots one handed, something most
young people are unable to do - this alone is enough as a reply
to this absurd news," he added.

London-based independent opposition spokesman Dr Mowaffak
Al-Rubaie said that "unusual" activity had been reported on the
streets of Baghdad.

"Something unusual has happened but we do not know exactly what
has gone on," he said.

"There has been a heightened security presence on the street.
There are more police and military units around."

Born in 1937, Saddam played a major role in the 1968 revolution
and became president of Iraq in 1979.

His attack on Iran a year later led to a bloody war of attrition
which lasted until 1988.

Saddam ordered the invasion of Kuwait in 1991.  Western states
responded with Operation Desert Storm, a major campaign to
liberate the Gulf state.


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In June of '93, Vince Foster commits suicide. [Do you] remember much
about that day? You were with the president at Larry King Live that
night.

I actually remember a lot about that day. It doesn't get much
worse than that. It's one thing to have a controversy over
whether the president did or didn't hold up air traffic getting
his hair cut on Air Force One. It's another thing entirely when
someone you know and work with and respect takes his life.

 The president was doing Larry King Live. Things were starting to
improve in the summer of '93, and they were in the library, the
downstairs of the White House residence. And about 9:45, Mark
Gearan -- and I can't remember the whole sequence of events of
who told who -- but Mark Gearan told me he [didn't] know what
happened, but Vince Foster [had] taken his life.

 And just at that time, Larry King asked the president if he'll
stay on the air for another half an hour. Of course, the
president said, "Sure, Larry." So, we're like, "Oh, My God. We've
got to put the kibosh on this extra time," [but] we don't want to
alarm anybody. We're not sure who all's been notified. We got to
stop this interview, only 10 more minutes. Get the president out,
inform him, let him go over to the Foster's home. I mean it's
kind of -- your head starts working in strange ways. But we're
afraid that somebody might pick it up on a police scanner in
Virginia or something, and call the show and inform the president
on the air. We were terrified of that.

 And so we went to the producer of the show ... and said, "This
horrible thing has happened. We really have to ask you as a human
being, you've got to help us make sure that no calls go through
that could possibly be about this, and you got to help us end
this interview." And she did.

 So, we got the president out of there and Mack McLarty took him
upstairs and told him. He came back down and did something -- the
only time in my tenure at the White House that I ever knew he did
it -- which was left the building without the press. Just got
into the limo with just a lead car and a tail service car and
went over to the Foster's to try to console the family.

 And the next day we were all in shock. I mean, [of] however many
people working in the White House complex, Vince was about the
last guy that you would have expected to hear this about. We sort
of tried to put together what had happened and deal with the
logistics of it. And I remember we were downstairs in the chief
of staff's office, and Sylvia Matthews came in, and said, "The
maids are upstairs and they're about to go into or they did go
into Vince's office," I guess. "Don't you think we ought to
preserve what was in his trash can?" Oh, yeah. God. You know, I
mean we're not thinking like law enforcement experts here. This
is the scene of a crime.

 We're thinking how in the world could such a horrible thing
happen and what can we do to help the family? I mean we knew we
would have questions to answer and it was already starting to
break out. And we were trying to drop the statement from the
president about it. So within a couple of hours we're all of a
sudden dealing with some kind of an investigation of a very
sensitive event at a very high level. And I think it was at that
point that I started to realize that my God, there's going to be
all kinds of conspiracy theorists out there. I remember saying to
Mark and to George, "You know, I have a really bad feeling about
this." I mean it's bad enough that Vince has died but this isn't
going to be treated like a human tragedy, this is the beginning
of something that is going to go on for a long time.

 And it did. The next day the press asked me, you know, well,
"Why, why, why?" And I said, "It's unknowable." Even though I
could see what was happening, I couldn't stop myself from
responding like a human being. You know, it's unknowable. Why
does anybody take their life? You can never satisfactorily answer
that question. And, of course, that just opened the door. "What
is it you're trying to hide? Why can't you answer that question?"

 It was no longer about the mystery of a human tragedy, it was
about what is the White House trying to cover up? And then, of
course, once again we didn't handle it as well as we could have.
There were things that were revealed over time, what appeared to
be a suicide note was ripped up and in the bottom of a brief case
that was found later. And then there [were] all the subsequent
questions that have gone on for years about what was in his
office, what happened to the documents, what was the chain of
custody of those documents, why were they locked in a closet in
the West Wing, in the White House residence over the weekend,
while the president went down to attend the funeral? Blah, blah,
blah, blah, blah.

One of the outgrowths of that was ... [it] brought Whitewater
back up which had been around in the campaign and pretty much
subsided. There's a debate in the White House about how to han

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2001-01-03 Thread Steve Wingate

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Sacrificial Sheep Shoves Man to His Death

Updated 10:15 AM ET January 2, 2001

ALEXANDRIA, Egypt (Reuters) - An Egyptian sheep destined for
sacrificial slaughter forestalled its owner's plans by pushing him to his
death from a three-story building, police said Tuesday.

They said Waheeb Hamoudah, 56, who worked in the police tax evasion
department, had been feeding the sheep he had tethered on the rooftop
when it butted him.

Neighbors found Hamoudah lying bleeding and concussed on the ground
below, with several broken bones, Monday. He died soon after reaching
hospital.

Hamoudah had been fattening the sheep for the past six weeks and
planned to kill it for Eid al-Adha, the Muslim feast of sacrifice, in early
March.

Many Egyptian city-dwellers keep livestock on rooftops, balconies or in
basements, especially in the run-up to Eid al-Adha.

On 3 Jan 01, at 23:29, MICHAEL SPITZER wrote:

> [Talk about "beating a dead horse!"  Can you REALLY blame the
> Elephant?  --MS]
>
> Tuesday January 2 10:15 AM ET
>
> Elephant Tramples Man And Keeps the Corpse
>
> GUWAHATI, India (Reuters) - A wild elephant pulled a man down
> from a tree, trampled him to death and for two weeks has refused
> to part with the corpse, police in northeast India say.
>
> The man climbed the tree to escape a herd of wild elephants
> rampaging through his village about 80 miles from Guwahati, the
> largest city in Assam.
>
> One elephant grabbed him, pulled him to the ground and broke his
> legs.
>
> ``The elephant must have got even more irritated as the villagers
> were trying to free the man,'' a forest ranger said Sunday. ``It
> trampled him to death and took the body along with him.''
>
> That was two weeks ago and it has been carrying the body around
> ever since, police said.
>
>
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Finally, A registration scheme that makes sense

Constitution/Conservatism Miscellaneous Keywords: SENSIBLE GUN REGISTRATION VERMONT
Source: America 1st Freedom magazine
Published: Jan 2001
Posted on 01/02/2001 19:04:10 PST by prophetic
Vermont State Rep. Fred Maslack has read the Second Amendment to the U.S.
Constitution as well as Vermont's own Constitution very carefully, and his strict
interpretion of these documents is popping some eyeballs in New England and
elsewhere.
Maslack recently proposed a bill to register non-gunowners and require them to pay a
$500 fee to the state. Thus Vermont would become the first state to require a permit
for the luxury of going about unarmed and assess a fee of $500 for the previlige of
not owning a gun.
Maslack read the "militia" phrase of the Second Amendment as not only affirming the
right of the individual citizen to bear arms, but as a clear mandate to do so. He
believes that universal gun ownership was advocated by the Framers of the
Constitution as an antidote to a "monopoly of force" by the government as well as
criminals.
Vermont's constitution states explicitly that "the people have a right to bear arms
for the defence of themselves and the State" and those perssons who "conscientiously
scrupulous of bearing arms" shall be required to "pay such equivalent." Clearly,
says Maslack, Vermonters have a constitutional obligation to arm themselves so that
they are capable of responding to "any situation that may arise".
Under the bill, adults who choose not to own a firearm would be required to register
their name, address, Social Security Number, and driver's license number with the
state. "There is a legitimate government intrest in knowning who is prepared to
defend the state should they be asked to do so," Maslack says.
Vermont already boasts a high rate of gun ownership along with the least restrictive
laws of any state - it's currently the only state that allows a citizen to carry a
concealed firearm without a permit. This combination of plenty of guns and few laws
regulating them has resulted in a crime rate that is the third lowest in the
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[CTRL] AP: N.H. lawmaker says a dead cop is a good cop


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N.H. lawmaker says a dead cop is a good cop

By MIKE RECHT, Associated Press

CONCORD, N.H. (January 2, 2001 6:56 p.m. EST
http://www.nandotimes.com) - A newly elected Republican state
lawmaker has angered his constituents, party leaders and police
by saying he favors killing cops when they cross the line. One
police chief calls him "a hate-mongering lunatic."

Tom Alciere, 41, won a seat in the New Hampshire House on his
fourth try after a low-key campaign last fall. It wasn't until
Sunday that his constituents in Nashua learned of his anti-police
views.

Alciere told the Valley News of Lebanon that he loves it when
someone kills a police officer: "It's unfortunate that cops do
make it necessary (to kill them) when they're waging a war on
drugs, and I view cops as enemy officers." He said he is "too
chicken" to do it himself.

He acknowledges posting his views at Internet chat sites for
months, including this 1999 comment: "Nobody will ever be safe
until the last cop is dead."

State GOP Chairman Steve Duprey said Alciere should renounce his
views or resign. But Alciere stood his ground.

"There's no way I'm going to resign," he said Tuesday.

Alciere, a married father of one who inspects circuit boards at a
factory, said he was arrested for "petty stuff" years ago but
never went to jail and has no criminal record. He said his
anti-police comments are the "harmless rantings of a private
citizen" that won't influence his legislative work.

"I'm rather embarrassed I voted for this guy," said Larry
Lesieur, who voted a straight Republican ticket. "This guy is
kooky. I think he definitely misled voters by not revealing these
things. In the next election, I'm pretty sure he ain't going to
make it."

New Hampshire has no procedure for recalling state
representatives, and legislators said they expect Alciere to
serve.

"As despicable as the ideas are, the complaints against him are
for his ideas," said Peter Burling, the House Democratic leader.

The New Hampshire House is the largest state legislative body in
the country and many campaigns don't get much media attention.
Alciere admits he didn't advertise his views during his campaign,
but denies misleading anyone.

"Nobody asked," he said. "For state representative, you don't
have to tell where you stand on the issues."

He said when police cross the line, citizens have the right to
use force to defend themselves: "Whatever is necessary is
necessary. It sounds kind of harsh."

He is taking plenty of heat. Newmarket police Chief Rodney
Collins called Alciere "a hate-mongering lunatic," and Gov.
Jeanne Shaheen is among state leaders to denounce him.

Nashua Deputy Police Chief Timothy Hefferan said supervisors warn
officers to be careful if they get a call to Alciere's apartment
building. He said police usually stay out of politics, but "I
think we'll have to revisit that policy just to enlighten
people."

Alciere's views got some publicity when he wrote letters to
newspapers.

In 1997, three days after Carl Drega killed two state troopers, a
part-time judge and a newspaper editor in Colebrook, Alciere sent
a letter saying that except for the editor, Drega was "an
otherwise innocent cop-killer taking out enemy officers in
battle."

The letter was never published, but became part of the
investigation.

A short time later, Epsom police officer Jeremy Charron was
murdered. Alciere defended Charron's killer, Gordon Perry,
because he said Charron had no right to ask Perry and a companion
for identification while they slept in their car.

Alciere said his anger stems from reading and watching television
about police misconduct, and his belief that many of the laws the
police enforce are unjust.

But during his campaign, he promised simply to oppose any bills
that infringe on freedom, and defeated a Democratic incumbent by
55 votes. In his previous runs for the seat, Alciere ran twice as
a Libertarian and once as a Democrat.

After the election, Alciere went online and said he was elected
by a "bunch of fat, stupid, ugly old ladies that watch soap
operas, play bingo, read tabloids and don't know the metric
system."

"The same lamebrains who vote for politicians who are WRONG
finally voted for one who is RIGHT," he wrote.

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[CTRL] Crowd crams Nigerian court to watch boozers being flogged

2001-01-03 Thread BB


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Thursday, January 4 2:04 AM SGT

Crowd crams Nigerian court to watch boozers being flogged

KANO, Nigeria, Jan 3 (AFP) -

A large crowd packed into an Islamic court in northern Nigeria
Wednesday to watch as two men found
guilty of drinking alcohol were given 80 lashes each.

The crowd burst into chants of "Allahu Akbar" ("God is Great") as the
men, 22-year-old Nugu Abdullahi
and 63-year-old Sa'adu Aminu, were given their punishment by Islamic
court officials in Kano, the
capital of the state bearing the same name.

The sentence is the first handed out by Islamic officials in Kano
State since it introduced strict Islamic
Sharia law on November 26.

Proscecutors said the men were both Muslims and had been found in
possession of half-drunk bottles
of alcohol.

They were caught and handed over to police by members of Hizbah, a
vigilante group which monitors
adherence to the Islamic code.

On Tuesday, a Christian trader in Kano claimed he had been beaten by
Islamic vigilantes after being
found in possession of a bottle of gin.

The state government has made it clear, however, that Sharia law does
not apply to Christians and has
appeared embarrassed by the beating of the man, Obi Livinus, 50.

The law bans gambling, prostitution, the consumption of alcohol and
other activities considered vices
by Muslims, and also sets out a list of Islamic duties which Muslims
must fulfill.

Zamfara State was the first to introduce Sharia law, in January last
year.

Since then, eight other northern states have either introduced the law
or declared plans to do so, despite
opposition from President Olusegun Obasanjo, Christians and human
rights bodies.

Already one man has had his hand amputated, several people have been
flogged and in a contentious
case in Zamfara State, a court has sentenced a 17-year-old girl to 180
lashes after she was found to be
pregnant while unmarried.

She gave birth last week and is now awaiting her punishment, which
human rights activists have
warned could kill her.

Authorities in several states have also started introducing
restrictions on the dress and behaviour of
women in public.

Authorities in Kebbi State, which introduced Sharia law on December 1,
on Wednesday warned women
to dress "decently" or face the "wrath of the law".

They also ordered all motorcycle taxi operators to stop carrying women
passengers who refuse to wear
"hijab", the Islamic legal dress for women.

Non-Muslim women are also warned to dress "decently ... as no religion
encourages nudity."

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[CTRL] Extremely Efficient Nuclear Fuel Could Take Man To Mars In Just Two Weeks!

2001-01-03 Thread Steve Wingate


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Source: Ben-Gurion University Of The Negev (http://www.bgu.ac.il)

Date: Posted 1/3/2001

Extremely Efficient Nuclear Fuel Could Take Man To Mars In Just Two
Weeks

Beer-Sheva, December 28, 2000 - Scientists at Ben-Gurion University of
the Negev have shown that an unusual nuclear fuel could speed space
vehicles from Earth to Mars in as little as two weeks. Standard chemical
propulsion used in existing spacecraft currently takes from between eight to
ten months to make the same trip. Calculations supporting this conclusion
were reported in this month's issue of Nuclear Instruments and Methods in
Physics Research A (455: 442-451, 2000) by Prof. Yigal Ronen, of BGU's
Department of Nuclear Engineering and graduate student Eugene
Shwagerous.

In the article, the researchers demonstrate that the fairly rare nuclear
material americium-242m (Am-242m) can maintain sustained nuclear
fission as an extremely thin metallic film, less than a thousandth of a
millimeter thick. In this form, the extremely high-energy, high-temperature
fission products can escape the fuel elements and be used for propulsion
in space. Obtaining fission-fragments is not possible with the better-known
uranium-235 and plutonium-239 nuclear fuels: they require large fuel rods,
which absorb fission products.

Ronen became interested in nuclear reactors for space vehicles some 15
years ago at a conference dedicated to this subject. Speaker-after-
speaker stressed that whatever the approach, the mass (weight) of the
reactor had to be as light as possible for efficient space travel. At a more
recent meeting, Prof. Carlo Rubbia of CERN (Nobel Laureate in Physics,
1984) brought up the novel concept of utilizing the highly energetic
fragments produced by nuclear fission to heat a gas; the extremely high
temperatures produced would enable faster interplanetary travel.

To meet the challenge of a light nuclear reactor, Ronen examined one
element of reactor design, the nuclear fuel itself. He found at the time that of
the known fission fuels, Am-242m is the front-runner, requiring only 1
percent of the mass (or weight) of uranium or plutonium to reach its critical
state. The recent study examined various theoretical structures for
positioning Am-242m metal and control materials for space reactors. He
determined that this fuel could indeed sustain fission in the form of thin films
that release high-energy fission products. Moreover, he showed how these
fission products could be used themselves as a propellant, or to heat a gas
for propulsion, or to fuel a special generator that produces electricity.

"There are still many hurtles to overcome before americium-242m can be
used in space," Ronen says. "There is the problem of producing the fuel in
large enough quantities from plutonium-241 and americium-241, which
requires several steps and is expensive. But the material is already
available in fairly small amounts. In addition, actual reactor design,
refueling, heat removal, and safety provisions for manned vehicles have not
yet been examined.

"However, I am sure that americium-242m will eventually be implemented
for space travel, as it is the only proven material whose fission products
can be made available for high speed propulsion. Indeed, Carlo Rubbia
has also recognized that this is the most probable fuel that will be getting us
to Mars and back. I think that we are now far enough advanced to interest
international space programs in taking a closer look at americium-based
space vehicles."


Note: This story has been adapted from a news release issued by Ben-
Gurion University Of The Negev for journalists and other members of the
public. If you wish to quote from any part of this story, please credit Ben-
Gurion University Of The Negev as the original source. You may also wish
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[CTRL] Check out 180 lashes for Nigerian teen mum to go ahead:governor

2001-01-03 Thread BB

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Wednesday, January 3 9:50 PM SGT

180 lashes for Nigerian teen mum to go ahead: governor

GUSAU, Nigeria, Jan 3 (AFP) -

The governor of the Nigerian state which has sentenced a 17 year-old-girl to 180
lashes for engaging in
pre-marital sex insisted Wednesday the punishment will be carried out.

Governor Ahmed Sani of Zamfara State told AFP that recent media reports that he
was under pressure
from the federal government not to allow the sentence to go ahead were false.

"We are under no pressure from anyone. The law is the law and people respect
that," Sani said.

"Even if the federal government issues an instruction it would have no reason to
do so. "We will go
ahead and carry out the punishment," he added.

The girl, Bariya Ibrahim Magazu, was sentenced in September by an Islamic court in
Tsafe in Zamfara
State to be lashed 180 times after she was discovered to be pregnant despite being
unmarried.

Asked who was the father, the girl named three middle-aged men from her village
who she said had
pressured her into engaging in sex.

The judge of the local Islamic court, Idris Usman Gusau, ruled that under the
terms of Islamic law
introduced in Zamfara last year, she had not proven her claims against the three
men.

He sentenced her to 80 lashes for pre-marital sex and 100 lashes for making
unproven claims against
the men.

The sentence is to be carried out around 40 days after the birth which took place
last week. Magazu
gave birth to a daughter who has yet to be named.

Several human rights groups, including Amnesty International, and the government
of Canada have
expressed concern about the case.

But in an interview with journalists last weekend, President Olusegun Obasanjo, a
Christian, said he will
not intervene.

Obasanjo has been criticised by many Christian leaders who see him as overcautious
in his reaction to
Islamic punishments being introduced by leaders of the mainly Muslim north.

An AFP correspondent who visited Magazu's village Tuesday said both mother and
child appeared
healthy but was prevented by family members from speaking to the girl.

The family said she would receive the punishment set by the court.

A court official told AFP no firm date had yet been set for the sentence to be
carried out but predicted it
would be around the end of January.

The punishment would be carried out on the floor of the court premises either by
police or Islamic
vigilante members, the court official said.

The case is the most high profile so far in a series of punishments carried out
since nine northern
Nigerian states voted last year to introduce strict Islamic law.

The measure is opposed by minority Christians in the north and by the Christian
majority in the south of
the country.

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[CTRL] AP: Reporters counting disputed ballots from Palm Beach County


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Disputed Florida ballots examined

Reporters counting disputed ballots from Palm Beach County

ASSOCIATED PRESS

WEST PALM BEACH, Fla., Jan. 2  Palm Beach Countys presidential
ballots are under the microscope again. On Tuesday, journalists
and Republicans began an examination of the punchcards that were
rejected by the Florida countys vote-tabulation machines.

 Theres no final exact number. Everyones going to see
something different.  BRIGHAM MCCOWN, GOP attorney

FLORIDAS VOTES have been certified for more than a month and Al
Gore conceded the race to President-elect George W. Bush over
three weeks ago. But several news organizations are conducting
examinations of Bushs razor-thin victory, 537 votes out of 6
million cast.
   Florida gave Bush the 25 Electoral College votes he needed
to beat Gore, who won the popular vote by more than 500,000
votes.
   On Tuesday, representatives from The Miami Herald, The
Palm Beach Post and the Republican Party began looking at more
than 20,000 ballots that were rejected by voting machines in Palm
Beach County. Hundreds of voters also complained that the
countys butterfly ballot was confusing.
   At Gores request, officials began a manual recount of all
460,000 ballots cast in the county, but the 188 votes Gore picked
up were not counted in the states official total.
   The review, which is costing the media outlets $125 an
hour, is scheduled to take several days. Two elections officials
hold up ballots for reporters on the opposite side of a table.

 Its a long tedious process and for what purpose, Im
really not sure, said Theresa LePore, Palm Beach Countys
supervisor of elections.
   It is not the only ballot review going on.
   In Gainesville, reporters are examining Alachua Countys
ballots and examinations are scheduled in Miami-Dade, Broward,
Pasco, Santa Rosa, Osceola, Okaloosa and Highlands counties.
Ballots in several other counties were examined by media outlets
before the holidays.
   The media organizations are hopeful that they will be able
to uncover trends in the discarded votes that will enable them to
make at least an educated guess about whether the hand recounts
sought by Gore could have changed the elections outcome.
   Republicans have been critical of the media effort, saying
it is pointless.
   Theres no final exact number, said Brigham McCown, a
GOP attorney. Everyones going to see something different.

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[CTRL] AP: Arkansas judge says he'll keep Clinton case for now


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Arkansas judge says he'll keep Clinton case for now

By JAMES JEFFERSON, Associated Press

LITTLE ROCK, Ark. (January 2, 2001 1:44 p.m. EST
http://www.nandotimes.com) - A newly elected judge who was
appointed to a state office by then-Gov. Bill Clinton said
Tuesday he won't consider recusing himself from the Clinton
disbarment case unless he's asked.

Pulaski County Circuit Judge Willard Proctor Jr., who inherited
the state's petition to strip President Clinton of his law
license, took office Monday.

He replaces a temporary judge, Leon Johnson, who for months
resisted a state committee's demand that he hear the Clinton
disbarment case before the end of last year.

Johnson decided to handle the case after four veteran judges
withdrew, each citing the appearance of conflicts because of ties
to Clinton, Arkansas' governor for 12 years before winning the
presidency.

In 1992, Clinton appointed Proctor to a five-year term on the
state Commission on Law Enforcement Standards and Training.

Lawyer Marie-B. Miller, who is acting as prosecutor in the
Clinton case for the state Supreme Court Committee on
Professional Conduct, complained about the delay in hearing the
case in a September letter to Johnson and noted that Proctor
would have a conflict if elected.

"If they file motions requesting that I recuse, then I will
consider those motions," Proctor said. "Somebody is going to have
to ask me."

Miller did not immediately return a call to her office seeking
comment Tuesday.

The professional conduct committee sued to have Clinton stripped
of his license to practice law in his home state, alleging he was
unfit to practice law because of misleading statements about his
relationship with Monica Lewinsky in a 1998 deposition in the
Paula Jones sexual harassment case.

Clinton has said disbarment would be too harsh a punishment.

Johnson was appointed to the Pulaski County bench in June to
serve out the term of a judge who had been removed from office.

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Re: [CTRL] NM: Clinton Seeking Cool Million in Speaker's Bonus (fwd)

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> Only eleven years ago, critics of Ronald Reagan were livid when
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  I think it's disgusting to cash in on the presidency this way.

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Re: [CTRL] License to Kill j2

2001-01-03 Thread Mark McHugh


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> > Negros had souls, and this was somewhat of a compromise. And I'm not being
> > fecetious either. >>
> >
> > Well, in Panama City, Florida in l959 or l960, my dentist (a local) informed
> > me very seriously that "Negros did not have souls."  He was a Southern
> > Baptist and of course a college grad.  He was even a fair dentist.  I have no
> > reason to believe that this man or his friends and relatives have had a
> > change of heart.  The Supreme Court laid groundwork some months back to allow
> > the states to bring back all those lovely Jim Crow laws.  Now that the same
> > court has appointed the president, perhaps this l idea will again become the
> > basis for a movement to return the South to its pristine white ideology.
> > Republicans are very interesting people.  Perhaps they will decide that
> > Republicans who are black have just a tiny bit of soul.  Prudy
>
> This is silly. Everybody knows that Negroes have soul. We have been discussing
> whether Negroes have souls. Of course they don't. No body does. There is no
> such thing. But there is clear evidence that Smokey Robinson and Isaac Hays
> have soul.
>
> Joshua2


What about the Godfather of Soul, James Brown?

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[CTRL] NM: Clinton Seeking Cool Million in Speaker's Bonus (fwd)


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Newsmax-Inside Cover

Monday Jan. 1, 2001, 12:11 p.m. EST

Clinton Seeking Cool Million in Speaker's Bonus

President Clinton is seeking a million dollar signing bonus as
part of a contract now being negotiated with a Washington, D.C.
agency that handles speaking engagements for ex-politicos,
reports the web site Inside.com.

 "According to a source with knowledge of the negotiations,
Clinton may receive a $1 million signing bonus from the
Washington Speakers Bureau before he eats his first nubbin of
rubber chicken as a private citizen."

 The mega-bonus is said to be unusual. While hefty incentives are
not unheard of, they usually range no higher than the low six
figures.

 Only eleven years ago, critics of Ronald Reagan were livid when
he accepted a two-million dollar speaker's fee in Japan.

 The lawyer handling negotiations for Clinton's unprecedented
signing bonus is said to be Robert Barnett, who also negotiated
Mrs. Clinton's $8 million book deal.

Barnett goes back with the Clintons to the earliest days of the
Whitewater scandal, when the first lady summoned him to the White
House to take possession of documents removed from the office of
deputy White House counsel Vince Foster after Foster's mysterious
gunshot death.

The president is also angling for a multi-million dollar book
deal for his own memoirs, though his last book was a commercial
flop.

 The Clintons' mad scramble for cash is driven, no doubt, by the
recent purchases of multi-million-dollar homes in Washington,
D.C. and New York and still staggering legal bills which will
only get worse if, as expected, Mr. Clinton is indicted in the
coming weeks.

 Another likely source of income is Mr. Clinton's billionaire
friend, James Riady. The Far Eastern Economic Review reported
last fall that Riady has invited Clinton to join the board of his
Lippo Group.

 Riady, along with his father Mochtar, funneled millions of
dollars into both Clinton's presidential campaigns. Financial
details of Riady's post-presidential offer to Clinton remain
confidential.


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[CTRL] NM: Gennifer Flowers' Tapes Seen as Key to Clinton Indictment


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Newsmax-Inside Cover

Sunday Dec. 31, 2000; 11:43 a.m. EST

Gennifer Flowers' Tapes Seen as Key to Clinton Indictment

Tapes of telephone calls between President Clinton and his former
lover Gennifer Flowers will play a key evidentiary role in
Clinton's probable indictment, the Houston Chronicle reported on
Sunday, citing sources both on and off the record.

 "If (Independent Counsel Robert) Ray is thinking of bringing a
perjury charge, you could use the tapes of those phone calls to
show how this man has in the past coached witnesses," former U.S.
Attorney Joseph DiGenova told the Chronicle.

 Speaking on condition of anonymity, a former prosecutor who
worked for Ray's predecessor Kenneth Starr said there was "strong
sentiment" in 1998 to include the devastating audio tapes as part
of the impeachment case against Clinton.

"(Clinton) almost said word for word to Gennifer Flowers on those
tapes what he said to Monica about covering up their affair,"
said the lawyer. "Mr. Starr decided it would be too explosive to
use the Flowers tapes during the impeachment."

 "But if you were going to take Clinton to trial, it would be
extremely potent evidence," the one-time Starr deputy added.

 In one recorded exchange, Clinton urges Flowers to commit
perjury in a hearing about how she obtained her Arkansas state
job.

 In an exclusive interview in October with NewsMax.com, the key
Clinton witness first revealed that Ray's prosecutors contacted
her and requested original recordings of coversations she had
with Clinton in 1990 and 1991.

Flowers, who did not speak to the Chronicle, told NewsMax.com
that neither Starr nor his investigators had ever contacted her,
either for her tapes or any relevant testimony she might be able
to supply.

 She speculated that Ray's prosecutors wanted to test her
original tapes for authenticity, since audio copies have been
publicly available since 1993. Flowers herself had the recordings
analyzed in 1992 by Truth Verification Labs, which certified that
they had not been tampered with or doctored in any way.

 The former Clinton girlfriend spoke to NewsMax.com while
attending presidential debates sponsored by the Washington, D.C.
based public interest lawfirm Judicial Watch.

 Flowers was deposed by lawyers for Clinton sexual harassment
accuser Paula Jones in September 1997. Four months later, he was
questioned about Flowers in his own Jones case deposition.

Clinton admitted to a single sexual encounter with the TV
reporter-turned nightclub singer, while she maintained they had a
physical relationship that lasted over twelve years.

It was in that Jan. 1998 deposition that the president gave
deliberately false and misleading answers about his relationship
to 23-year-old White House intern Monica Lewinsky, which led to
his impeachment eleven months later.

In one telling anecdote, friends of Hillary Clinton say she
pledged to "crucify" Flowers when the entertainer first went
public with her tapes.

Working through Judicial Watch, Flowers has since sued both
Clintons and their former top aides, George Stephanopoulos and
James Carville, claiming defamation.

 The Chronicle said that Clinton's indictment appears likely
within weeks after leaving office. It cited the account of Freda
Alexander, who was grand jury forewoman when Starr's prosecutors
first investigated Clinton's Monica Lewinsky cover-up.

 In March 1999 Alexander told reporters, "I don't think there is
any question the grand jury that first heard the evidence would
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[CTRL] NYT: After Cole's Bombing, Pentagon Finds Ongoing Lapses in Gulf Security


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January 2, 2001
NYTimes

After Cole's Bombing, Pentagon Finds Ongoing Lapses in Gulf Security

By STEVEN LEE MYERS

WASHINGTON, Jan.  1  A Pentagon commission has concluded that
there were significant security shortcomings in the region before
the bombing of the destroyer Cole in Yemen and plans to recommend
steps to tighten security for American forces there, senior
defense officials say.

The bombing of an Air Force barracks in Saudi Arabia more than
four years ago led to sweeping changes in security procedures at
American bases throughout the region and the world.  But the
commission found that commanders in the Persian Gulf were still
not devoting enough attention to protecting American forces from
attack, the officials said on Friday.

In particular, the commission found cracks in security for ships
and aircraft as they move through the region, as the Cole was
doing when it stopped in the Yemeni port of Aden on Oct.  12 and
was attacked by a harbor skiff packed with explosives, the
officials said.

"The overarching theme is we've done a lot of things to improve
force protection, but it is still not deeply rooted in our
culture," said a senior defense official who has been briefed on
the status of the commission's findings.

Secretary of Defense William S.  Cohen appointed the commission
after the suicide bombing of the Cole, which killed 17 sailors
and wounded 39.  While the commission has not yet completed a
written report, the two retired commanders leading it, Adm.
Harold W.  Gehman of the Navy and Gen.  William W.  Crouch of the
Army, outlined their findings just before Christmas for Mr.
Cohen and Gen.  Henry H.  Shelton, the chairman of the Joint
Chiefs of Staff, the officials said.

A separate Navy investigation, focused only on actions aboard the
Cole, has concluded that the destroyer's captain and crew failed
to follow strict security procedures on the morning of the
attack.  That inquiry, which is still being reviewed by the
Navy's top admirals, has raised the possibility of disciplinary
action against the Cole's captain, Cmdr. Kirk S.  Lippold, or
other officers and members of the crew.

The commission leaders are expected to present their final
conclusions  and their recommendations for improving security 
to Mr.  Cohen this week.  The officials declined to discuss the
recommendations in detail, saying many of them will remain secret
to thwart future attacks.

The questions underlying the commission's review are whether any
measures could have been taken to avert attack on the Cole and
whether anyone in the chain of command should be held responsible
for security lapses.  And, the officials said, the commission
ultimately does not answer either.

"There's no smoking gun," the senior defense official said.

The commission's review, in contrast to the Navy investigation,
focused more broadly on security in Yemen and through the region
and not on the individual accountability of other commanders or
officials in the region, the officials said.  The commission
consisted of the two retired officers and an active duty staff of
investigators.

In his only public remarks on the review, General Crouch said in
November that the commission's mandate was focused on improving
security for American forces in the region, not on assigning
blame.  "We're not out here to find fault with anybody," he said
at the time.  "We're out here to make recommendations for
improvement."

Nevertheless, the commission found that commanders in the region
were not paying enough attention to the security of American
troops there, the officials said.  In particular, the commission
focused on what one senior official called "a breakdown" in
communication between embassies and the military commanders of
the United States Central Command, based in Tampa, Fla., the
military headquarters for the Persian Gulf region.

There also appears to have been ambiguity over who exactly had
authority for security in ports like Aden, where harbor boats,
scows and other ships swarm chaotically.  The commission plans to
recommend a series of "additional tools" to tighten security
procedures for commanders on the ground and for forces passing
from place to place.

The commission's findings could be challenged in Congress, where
lawmakers have indicated a greater desire to assign blame for
security lapses.  Even in the Pentagon, there appears to be
disagreement over the scope of the review and its conclusions.

One official said Navy leaders, in particular, were distressed
that the conclusions outlined before Christmas did not directly
address whether intelligence reports and other factors should
have warranted raising the Cole's alert to a higher level than
"threat condition Bravo," only the third-highest level.

Raising the level higher could have required the Cole's captain
and crew to take additional security steps  or to cancel the
refueling stop altogether.

The commission's final report, now being drafted, may address
t

[CTRL] Bush should fire the head of the Holocaust Memorial Council


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HOUSES OF WORSHIP

Enemies: A Museum Story

President Bush should fire the head of the Holocaust Memorial
Council--just as Clinton did eight years ago.

BY IRA STOLL
Monday, January 1, 2001 12:01 a.m. EST

"The outburst of Israeli Arab demonstrations during this period
led to very severe clashes with police. . . . It's entirely
possible in my judgment that they overreacted, and that
overreaction killed people unnecessarily, and that was a serious
violation of Jewish ethical power. . . . I would not be shocked
if 5% or 10% or 20% of those casualties were [the result of]
scared soldiers or people overreacting. . . . There will be some
errors or some soldiers who were gun-happy."

So says the chairman of the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Council,
Rabbi Irving "Yitz" Greenberg. Rabbi Greenberg's comments blaming
Arab casualties in Israel, the West Bank and Gaza over the past
few months on "overreaction" by "gun-happy" Israeli soldiers and
police will come as a surprise to many who haven't been paying
attention to the record of the institution he heads. The U.S.
Holocaust Memorial Council--a presidentially appointed,
taxpayer-funded panel that, among other things, administers the
U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum in Washington--has become, in
recent years, something of a playpen for Clinton loyalists.
They've ventured far beyond Holocaust remembrance, preferring to
dabble in left-wing politics of the anti-Israel and anti-American
kind. Perhaps George W. Bush will set things right.

Susan Estrich, a prominent defender of President Clinton during
his impeachment, is a council member, as is Lanny Breuer, who was
a White House lawyer with scandal duties. The council also is
home to such major Democratic National Committee donors as trial
lawyer Stanley Chesley, a big player in antitobacco and
breast-implant lawsuits, and William Lerach, the California
class-action lawyer who specializes in suing companies when their
stock prices drop.

In 1998 the council named to a top museum job John Roth, who once
wrote an op-ed piece likening Israel's treatment of the
Palestinian Arabs to the Nazis' treatment of European Jews. Mr.
Roth eventually apologized for the article and withdrew from his
position. But he never apologized for a piece drawing a parallel
between the 1980 election of Ronald Reagan and the rise of
Hitler. The Holocaust Council stood firmly behind Mr. Roth during
the controversy. Only one member, Abraham Foxman of the
Anti-Defamation League, voted against reaffirming the Roth
appointment.

Then, in the summer of 1999, the museum marked the 50th
anniversary of the Geneva Convention by hosting a book signing
for a work that accused Israel of war crimes, including "ethnic
cleansing of Arab areas by Jews" during the 1948 war of
independence. The council chairman at the time, Miles Lerman, at
least had the decency to acknowledge that that event was a
mistake. In February 2000, the Holocaust Museum moved farther
from its mission of preserving the memory of Nazi crimes by
showing "Scandalize My Name," a film about the McCarthy-era
blacklist and its racial implications.

A month later, the museum hosted "Memory and Truth After
Genocide: Guatemala," moderated by Kate Doyle of the National
Security Archive, a private research institute. Ms. Doyle
inveighed against "the triumphalist attitude of the U.S. about
its role in the Cold War," and called for a "truth commission" to
probe the American role in what she and the Holocaust Museum have
apparently determined was a CIA-backed "genocide."

And now come Rabbi Greenberg's remarks, made last month in
Chicago. "I don't consider what I said to be a criticism; I
consider it to be an assessment," he said then. When I rang up
Rabbi Greenberg last week, he said he made the remarks as an
individual, not as chairman of the U.S. Holocaust Memorial
Council, and noted that they came in the context of a speech that
praised Israel for having generally behaved as ethically as
realistically possible in its response to the Arab violence. He
called back later and said it would be "a misrepresentation to
the point of falsehood," even "McCarthyism," to describe his
remarks as an attack on Israel.

One might be tempted to give him the benefit of the doubt--were
it not for John Roth, the book signing, the McCarthy movie and
the Guatemalan "genocide" event.

After President Clinton took office, he asked for the
resignations of the Holocaust Memorial Council's then chairman
and vice chairman. That raised some eyebrows. But in installing
his own team, Mr. Clinton established a precedent that
President-elect Bush would do well to emulate.

Mr. Stoll is a contributor to OpinionJournal.com and editor of
Smartertimes.com.


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Re: [CTRL] License to Kill j2


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From: "Nurev Ind Research" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> This is silly. Everybody knows that Negroes have soul. We have been discussing
> whether Negroes have souls. Of course they don't. No body does. There is no
> such thing. But there is clear evidence that Smokey Robinson and Isaac Hays
> have soul.

Not to mention Teddy Pendergast, and George Clinton and Parliament Funkadelic (who not 
only have soul, but
who've "got da funk")...  ;-)

And let us not forget the ladies...Gladys Knight, Patti LaBelle, Chaka Khan, and the 
Queen Herself, Aretha


June (who believes that everyone -- including Joshua2 -- while perhaps lacking 'soul', 
has A soul)
;-)

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[CTRL] Addendum to Gail Fisher posting


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Okay, perhaps the below article doesn't have any bearing on the strange death of 
actress Gail Fisher...but
it's been part of my profession for the past couple of decades to recognize patterns, 
and I see a possible
pattern here...

Remember, according to the obit on Gail Fisher and her brother, the brother had been 
some muckeemuck in a
couple of major insurance companies...and, according to the article below, the joint 
FBI/NICB operation
targets minorities...


June

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Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2001 4:48 PM
Subject: [prj] The Insurance Industry/FBI Connection


> >The Insurance Industry/FBI Connection
> >By Russell Mokhiber and Robert Weissman
> >
> >Wouldn't it be great if environmentalists could have a close working
> >relationship with the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), so that
> >anytime the local industrial polluter spouted cancer-causing chemicals
> >into the air or water, the FBI agents would bust into the corporate
> >executive suites and haul away the perpetrators?
> >
> >Or when insurance companies rip off policyholders, or fail to pay out on
> >insurance policies, wouldn't it be great if consumer groups had a working
> >relationship with the FBI -- just pick up the phone and call your local
> >FBI agents, and have them knock on the door of the CEO of the insurance
> >company, and begin asking questions?
> >
> >Wouldn't it be great if law enforcement sided with individuals against
> >corporate criminals in our midst?
> >
> >In the area of insurance fraud, at least, it might balance the scales of
> >justice. Right now, the FBI has developed a very close working
> >relationship with National Insurance Crime Bureau (NICB). The Chicago area
> >crime-busting group is funded by the insurance industry to investigate
> >crimes against insurance companies -- for example, to crack down on
> >individuals who stage auto crashes to cash in on insurance policies.
> >
> >Last year, the property and casualty insurance industry pumped $28 million
> >into the NICB. And NICB has developed a very close relationship with the
> >FBI. Robert Bryant, a former number two man at the FBI, is now the
> >president of NICB. Gene Glenn, a former special agent in charge of the
> >Salt Lake City Division of the FBI, is now the NICB's vice president for
> >field operations.
> >
> >The FBI has a series of written memorandums of understanding (MOU) -- at
> >least three -- outlining in detail the working relationship.
> >
> >According to Jim Spiller, NICB's executive vice president, one deals with
> >"a very highly sensitive covert operation" that he could not reveal to us,
> >one deals with a joint FBI/NICB crackdown on the theft and export of
> >automobiles, and the third addresses "the sharing of information about
> >stolen vehicles." (The NICB refused to let us see copies of the MOUs.)
> >
> >The FBI/NICB relationship was exposed by Bill Conroy, the editor of the
> >San Antonio Business Journal. Over the past 18 months, Conroy has written
> >a series of articles that have been ignored by the mainstream media.
> >
> >In his series, Conroy reported that:
> >
> >* A national FBI/NICB operations called Sudden Impact involved joint
> >interrogation of suspects, joint search warrant raids and joint access to
> >medical records through an insurance industry database.
> >
> >* Operation Sudden Impact netted minorities at a rate of nearly 8 to one.
> >
> >* A lawyer whose San Antonio office was raided by the FBI as part of
> >Sudden Impact was never charged with a crime. The FBI told Conroy that it
> >has no records indicating that the attorney has "ever been of
> >investigatory interest to the FBI."  The lawyer claims that the raid
> >destroyed his practice and reputation.
> >
> >* A former FBI informant claims that the FBI was targeting Iranians in San
> >Antonio as part of Operation Sudden Impact.
> >
> >* An Assistant U.S. Attorney who was removed from an FBI/NICB case after
> >making allegations of misconduct against her fellow attorneys involved in
> >the case is now claiming that she is being persecuted by the U.S.
> >Attorney's office.
> >
> >(The San Antonio Business Journal is owned by American City Business
> >Journals, which is owned by the Newhouse chain. American City Business
> >Journals owns about 40 business journals around the country.
> >Interestingly, after the articles appeared in print, insurance giant AIG
> >took out ad space on the web site of the American City Business Journals
> >(www.bizjournals.com). The series of articles describing the NICB/FBI
> >connection were never picked up by the other business journals in the
> >chain.)
> >
> >Two members of Congress -- Charles Gonzalez, D-Texas, and Cynthia
> >McKinney, D-Georgia -- are looking at possible Congressional inquiries
> >into the NICB/FBI connection.
> >
> >The NICB denies targeting minority groups. "Our criminal investigations
> >are conducted based on the criminality, not the culture of any
> >i

Re: [CTRL] [Fwd: The Invisible Hand: Still Scary After AllTheseYears]

2001-01-03 Thread Nurev Ind Research

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flw wrote:
>
> -Caveat Lector-
>
> > MJ
> >  If capitalism is NOT an economic system void of Government
> >  intervention ... then what 'word' suits this ideal?
> >
> >  Capitalism:  You hire me to build a fence on your property
> >  to a specific specification for a certain compensation. We
> >  sign a contract. I build the fence as directed.  You provide
> >  the compensation as directed.
> >  Where is Government 'depended upon'?
>
> The term "capitalism" has been co opted and distorted. It has been rendered
> a useless term. It no longer describes the Free Market. It is now synonomous
> with State Capitalism.

How about Corporate Capitalism. You are getting very ridiculous.

J2

> Another term stolen and distorted by the Statists.
> flw

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Re: [CTRL] POP goes the weasel.

2001-01-03 Thread Carl Amedio


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<< The Islamic militant group, Hamas, issued a deadly threat yesterday to the
 Palestinian leader, Yasser Arafat, warning that it would turn its campaign
 of terror against him should he agree to a peace deal with President Bill
 Clinton. >>

Now Yasser has his cover and can scuttle the deal, which is what he wants in
any case.

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[CTRL] POP goes the weasel.

2001-01-03 Thread Nurev Ind Research


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Militants hold gun to Arafat's head
http://www.guardianunlimited.co.uk/Distribution/Redirect_Artifact/0,4678,0-4
17134,00.html

Ewen MacAskill in Ramallah, West Bank
Wednesday January 3, 2001

The Islamic militant group, Hamas, issued a deadly threat yesterday to the
Palestinian leader, Yasser Arafat, warning that it would turn its campaign
of terror against him should he agree to a peace deal with President Bill
Clinton.
The leader of Hamas on the West Bank, Hassan Youssof, in an interview with
the Guardian, accompanied the chilling warning with a prediction that Mr
Arafat would be forced to reject the proposed settlement.

Until now, Hamas, the most feared of the Palestinian guerrilla groups, has
struck only against Israeli targets. Although it has long opposed Mr
Arafat's peace negotiations, it is now threatening to extend its campaign of
violence to the Palestinian Authority leadership.

Mr Youssof said the political danger for Mr Arafat was that he could end up
being confronted not only by Hamas but also a breakaway from his own
organisation, Fatah, which he claimed had established strong links with
Hamas since the uprising began in September.

The Hamas warning adds to the already enormous pressure on Mr Arafat, who
met Mr Clinton in Washington last night to discuss the US peace plan.

Mr Youssof said all three key elements of the proposed peace settlement -
the fate of the Palestinian refugees, the future of the Jerusalem holy site
and the territorial division - were unacceptable.

He added: "As a Palestinian organisation, we refuse any agreement that does
not give the Palestinian people three things: the right of its refugees to
return to their homes; all of Jerusalem; and gets all settlers out of the
West Bank and Gaza." The US proposals offer none of those.

Mr Youssof, 49, who has been jailed by Israel and the Palestinian Authority,
hinted strongly that Israel could expect a return to suicide bombings, a
campaign that created terror in Israel between 1994 and 1996. "Hamas will
not stop fighting and bombing until the occupation is over," he said.

Israel has suffered two big bomb explosions in the last week, one in Tel
Aviv and the other, on Monday night, in the coastal town of Netanya in which
more than 30 people were wounded. Israeli police said that one of those it
believed to be responsible for planting the bomb was in a critical
condition.

Hamas described the bombing as the "holy right" of the Palestinian people
but did not accept responsibility, which was claimed by a previously unknown
group, the Vanguard of the Popular Army. Hamas often denies responsibility
in order to avoid retaliation or a crackdown.

Hamas, which was partly financed by the Islamic terrorist Osama bin Laden
until he had to flee from Sudan in 1996, was founded in 1987, during the
first intifada.

The first Hamas suicide bomber killed eight Israelis when he rammed a car
filled with explosives into a crowd in northern Israel in April 1994. The
casualty rate over the next two years was high, as was the psychological
toll on Israelis because the willingness of the bombers to die meant they
could strike almost anywhere.

The campaign was brought to an end when Mr Arafat, under pressure from
Israel, jailed about 900 members of Hamas, most of them since released. Mr
Arafat worked against Hamas with the CIA and Israeli intelligence, Mossad.

Mr Youssof said he could not predict what individual cells of the Izzedine
al-Qassem, the armed wing of Hamas, were plotting but he regarded suicide
bombings as a justifiable Palestinian response to Israel's use of all the
weapons in its arsenal other than nuclear and chemical weapons.

"We have a rule from the Koran and Mohammed that we should not kill any
animal or people. [But] we use this kind of bombing to frighten them into
stopping killing our people and children."

If, as Mr Youssof expects, Mr Arafat has no choice but to reject the deal
because of the division it would create among Palestinians, he predicted
that Hamas would join forces with Fatah - the biggest grouping within Mr
Arafat's Palestinian Liberation Organisation - and other Palestinians in a
united and bigger effort against Israel.

"Fatah is now with Hamas," he said.

Confronted by Israelis killing Palestinians, Mr Youssof said the
Palestinians had no choice: "If people go to your home to kill one or two of
your kids or throw you out on to the streets, will we give them roses or
will we fight?"

Hamas had been increasingly isolated within Palestinian society because of
its opposition to the peace process that led to the Israeli-Palestinian
agreement at Oslo in 1993. But support for Hamas has increased since the
latest intifada began in September, especially in universities.

Mr Youssof said the strength of feeling against the peace negotiations would
be underlined in huge demonstrations planned for tomorrow in the West Bank.

"Seven years of negotiation with Israel did not give us anything of our
rig

[CTRL] Fwd: Ignoring a hate crime in D.C.

2001-01-03 Thread kl


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>What makes this commentary noteworthy is that the writer is
black.
>---
>Michelle Malkin
>
>December 29, 2000
>
>Ignoring a hate crime in D.C.
>
>Here in the land of pontificators and tolerance preachers, a hateful
crime
>goes unpunished. President Clinton, our lame duck lip-biter, is
nowhere to
>be found. Neither are the chest-beaters at the New York Times.
And the
>rainbow coalition of loud-mouthed minority leaders, always on the
ready to
>exploit racial divisions, seems to have vanished into thin air.
>
>One month ago this week, cowardly goons firebombed the A-1
grocery store in
>Northeast Washington. No one was injured. But the pipe bomb,
tossed into the
>store's entrance, roasted the front of the building. The vandals also
>spraypainted racist epithets and threats all over the
establishment's outer
>wall. If the owner of the store had been black, and the
neighborhood white,
>this violent incident in the nation's capital would have undoubtedly
made
>front-page headlines and the nightly news. Instead, it merited a
grand total
>of two stories in the mainstream press -- one in each metro
section of the
>Washington Post and Washington Times -- and a brief editorial in
the Post.
>"It just didn't get a lot of media attention," Lt. Scott Dignan of the
D.C.
>police told me this week.
>
>Dignan surmises that the presidential election might have
overshadowed the
>firebombing. But he also notes that the case didn't lend itself to
the "easy
>soundbites" that often accompany other high-profile hate crimes.
That's
>because the victim of this assault is of Asian descent -- Korean
immigrant
>Frank Han -- and his vocal enemies are members of the
hatemongering New
>Black Panther Party, founded by ex-Nation of Islam official Khallid
>Muhammad.
>
>The New Black Panther Party had been boycotting the grocery
story since Nov.
>22, when Han tried to stop a black teenage girl from
shortchanging him over
>an ice cream bar. According to the store owners, the item was 65
cents, but
>the 14-year-old put only a quarter on the counter and then
attempted to
>leave. Surveillance video reportedly showed Han trying to detain
the girl --
>who then initiated a melee by punching Han in the face. Han
struck back in
>self-defense, he says, and the girl's two friends (all of whom had
ditched
>school) joined in attacking him. Others entered the scene,
ransacking and
>stealing from the store.
>
>Instead of condemning the youths for breaking school rules and
terrorizing a
>local, law-abiding business, radical black activists demonstrated
at the
>store chanting "black power," "shut 'em down," and "death to the
>bloodsucker." The Washington Times reported that one "field
marshal" for the
>group shouted into a megaphone: "We will use all means
necessary, any means
>necessary, to shut this store down." Malik Shabazz, a New Black
Panther
>attorney, accused the store of "stealing" in an "exploitive
relationship, or
>what some people call 'bloodsucking.'"
>
>"Bloodsucker" is a pet term of the New Black Panther Party,
hurled at
>Asians, Jews, whites, and anyone else making an honest living
instead of
>carping about racism.
>
>Shabazz said his group had nothing to do with the firebombing.
Yet, the
>message of the boycotters was the same message the bombers
left at the
>store: "Burn them down, Shut them down, Black Power!" The
group's leader,
>Khallid Muhammad, is infamous for his embrace of race-based
violence. He
>advised the new black-led government of South Africa to murder
all whites
>who refused to the leave the country: "We kill the women. We kill
the
>babies, we kill the blind. We kill the cripples. We kill them all."
He also
>praised Colin Ferguson, the Long Island commuter train gunman
who
>slaughtered whites and Asian-Americans in a racist rage.
>
>From New York to Los Angeles, black resentment against Asian-
American
>entrepreneurs has boiled into violence. Few dare to denounce it
for fear of
>antagonizing a politically protected group that disguises its hatred
behind
>
>a cloak of victimhood. This corrupt racial double standard must
end.
>
>An FBI spokesman told me the agency completed an
investigation into the
>firebombing last week. The incoming Bush administration can
show its
>commitment to civil rights -- and begin the "healing" -- by
prosecuting the
>hate-filled perpetrators in the A-1 grocery store case to the full
extent of
>the law.
>
>http://www.townhall.com/columnists/michellemalkin/mm20001229.
shtml
>


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Re: [CTRL] Australian Skeptics

2001-01-03 Thread nexusmagazine


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>>I have had a few experiences with Australian Skeptics:
>>1)  I attended several conferences where Australian Skeptics had to be
>>forcibly ejected due to their public behaviour.  They yelled, cat called
>>and jeered continually during lectures, and made it difficult for anyone
>>else to hear what was being discussed.
>>2)  I have been invited onto three radio shows, all run by Australian
>>Skeptics members.  Each time, I was told outright lies about what the
>>show was, and what they wanted to discuss.  For example, Adam Joseph (who
>>was removed from the airwaves NOT by Scientologists, but because his drug
>>habits were becoming too embarrassingly public)
>
>I don't know about this. Are you at liberty to reveal your source? Knowing
>3RRR, using a few drugs is probably a requisite for going on air!

You are certainly correct with the latter, and no, I will not reveal my
sources on the former.

>>to discuss alternative health issues.  Once I was on air I realised it
>>was an ambush.  He wanted the public to know that I was a neo-nazi, with
>>fascist leanings.  (Another example of their blatant lies and filth).
>>Their prime witness was an ex-neo nazi, and some-time journalist called
>>David Grierson.  Grierson, with a history of mental instability, has been
>>on a personal vendetta against myself and my magazine after I rejected
>>his sexual advances in a hotel in Tripoli, Libya.
>
>Greason (I think that's his name) is a little worm, I have read his book
>shamelessly called 'I was a Teenage Fascist'. He seems to have made a
>career out of being an ex-nazi, he now writes for the 'Australian Jewish
>News'! As far as his sexuality, I wouldn't want to judge but knowing the
>sort of mental type he is (it is clear from reading his book) I am quite
>willing to accept that he would bear a grudge in this manner.

He is more of a worm than many realise.  He was the mastermind behind the
Demidenko smear campaign.  (For those out of the loop, Helen Demidenko
won a literary award for a book she wrote, which included sections that
humanised nazi POW camp guards.  Humanising any NAZIs is forbidden by the
right-wing Jewish elitist lobby group known as Australia-Israel Review,
and Grierson/Greason is/was their chief head-kicker.)  Australia-Israel
Review (AIR) are considered as dangerous right wing extremist zionists.
Certain of their members, including Joseph Gutnick (a Rabbi Schneerson
disciple) poured squillions into backing Netanyahu' election coffers,
prompting Henry Kissinger even to comment that without 'certain backers
from Australia', Netanyahu would likely have lost the election.  Many of
the Jewish community in Australia view the AIR as dangerous but powerful
extremists.

It is Greason and the AIR who initiated the smear campaign against NEXUS,
globally.

>>Another example is so-called journalist, Philip Adams.  He invited me
>>onto his show to defend myself against his accusations that I was a
>>neo-nazi.  I told his program director that I would be in the USA during
>>the time he wanted me on his show.  Needless to say, the show aired
>>without me, special guest prosecutor was the sexually rejected David
>>Grierson, and I was smeared, lied about and basically shat upon.  The
>>told listeners that I had been invited onto the show, but 'for some
>>reason had declined to come on'.
>
>You should have issued the ABC a writ for slander. As soon as they call
>you a nazi, assuming they don't have any credible evidence (the closest I
>have seen is the claim that someone used to sell nazi stickers from your
>post office box. Which is odd because for many years I seem to recall you
>used the Post Office as your mailing address, not a box. [note that this
>is just my recollection, which may well be faulty]).

Greason and Adams are good mates.  And for the record, I have never sold
any neo nazi stickers, pamphlets, etc; have never published ANYTHING
anti-semitic; pro-nazi etc etc ad nauseum - simple because I am NOT a
nazi, anti-semitic, right-wing.

I come from an organic farming->new age->left wing/Human rights
background.
The tactics and lies published about myself and NEXUS have to be seen and
read to be believed.

And as for issuing writs, yeah sure!  It took me ages to pay off the
legal cost to get the Sydney Morning Herald to publish a retraction (in
tiny print, on page 199 of some edition, so where was the value anyway?)
when they told readers that NEXUS was a druggie magazine that promoted
hallucinogenics.

They should be called the Australian Septics, it is more reflective of
their (lack of) integrity!

regards

Duncan


Duncan M. Roads
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PO Box 30, Mapleton Qld 4560 Australia
Tel: +61 (0)7 5442 9280;   Fax:  +61 (0)7 5442 9381
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On the contrary, the means always determine the end."
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[CTRL] Check out 180 lashes for Nigerian teen mum to go ahead: governor

2001-01-03 Thread Carl Amedio


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 http://asia.dailynews.yahoo.com/headlines/world/article.html?s=asia/head

lines/010103/world/afp/180_lashes_for_Nigerian_teen_mum_to_go_ahead__governor.

html">Click here: 180 lashes for Nigerian teen mum to go ahead: governor

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Re: [CTRL] License to Kill j2

2001-01-03 Thread Nurev Ind Research

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"Prudence L. Kuhn" wrote:
>
> -Caveat Lector-
>
> In a message dated 12/30/2000 11:57:11 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
> << >
>  > I believe there was some serious public debate at the time about whether
> Negros had souls, and this was somewhat of a compromise. And I'm not being
> fecetious either. >>
>
> Well, in Panama City, Florida in l959 or l960, my dentist (a local) informed
> me very seriously that "Negros did not have souls."  He was a Southern
> Baptist and of course a college grad.  He was even a fair dentist.  I have no
> reason to believe that this man or his friends and relatives have had a
> change of heart.  The Supreme Court laid groundwork some months back to allow
> the states to bring back all those lovely Jim Crow laws.  Now that the same
> court has appointed the president, perhaps this l idea will again become the
> basis for a movement to return the South to its pristine white ideology.
> Republicans are very interesting people.  Perhaps they will decide that
> Republicans who are black have just a tiny bit of soul.  Prudy

This is silly. Everybody knows that Negroes have soul. We have been discussing
whether Negroes have souls. Of course they don't. No body does. There is no
such thing. But there is clear evidence that Smokey Robinson and Isaac Hays
have soul.

Joshua2

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[CTRL] Gail Fisher, Mannix co-star, apparently dead...


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The link provided below no longer has the obit...

Don't know if her death is part of any 'conspiracy', but it surely does seem strange 
that she died on the same
day as her brother, and that it seems to have been kept quiet by a media which one 
would think would have been
rife with retrospectives on her life...

June

- Original Message -
Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2001 2:01 PM
Subject: Gail Fisher death apparently true
>
> I was beginning to think (and was certainly hoping) that rumors of the
> death of "Mannix" co-star Gail Fisher had been greatly exaggerated, as
> I could find no mention of it anywhere on the Web.  Then I was tipped
> off to this sketchy and rather enigmatic article in yesterday's New
> Jersey Star-Ledger (link below, if you'd like to check it).
>
> This is *very* weird...  Why wasn't Ms. Fisher's death announced in
> any of the national papers?  Was it sheer coincidence that she and her
> brother died on the same day?  Was there an accident?  Why a memorial
> service a month later?  Lots of questions here.
>
> My gut feeling is still "rumor" or even "hoax" -- and I'm almost
> tempted to ask, "Are we talking about the same Gail Fisher here?" --
> but the paper is legit...  Still, it's just plain weird.
>
> Can anybody shed any light?
>
> JR
>
> - - - - -
>
> http://www.nj.com/obits/ledger/index.ssf?/obits/ledger/sa16=1151.html
>
> Clifton Fisher, Mutual exec, 73, Gail Fisher, Emmy-winning actress
>
> 01/02/01
>
> Memorial services will be held for Clifton M. Fisher, 73, and his
> sister, Gail Fisher, 65, both residents of Los Angeles, Calif. who had
> previously lived in New Jersey.
>
> Mr. Fisher died Dec. 2 in the Daniel Freeman Memorial Hospital, Los
> Angeles, and Miss Fisher died Dec. 2 in the Brockman Medical Center,
> Los Angeles.
>
> Mr. Fisher was the general manager for Mutual of Omaha Insurance Co.
> and had worked for Mutual Life Insurance Co. in New Jersey, Nebraska
> and California before retiring 14 years ago.
>
> Miss Fisher was the first black woman to appear in a national
> television commercial with dialogue in 1961. She appeared in the
> television shows Love American Style, The Doctors, My Three Sons, and
> Mannix, for which she won an Emmy for best supporting actress. Her on-
> and off-Broadway appearances include "A Raisin In The Sun" and "Simply
> Heaven."
>
> She also won two Golden Globe Awards and had written song lyrics for
> artists such as Nancy Wilson and the late Julian Adderley.
>
> Mr. Fisher was active with the Parks and Recreation Commission in
> Inglewood, Calif, served as an honorary mayor of Ladera Heights and
> secretary of the Southbay Exchange Club.
>
> Mr. Fisher served in the Army Air Force during World War II.
>
> Born in Norfolk, Va., Mr. Fisher lived in Orange before moving to
> California more than 24 years ago.
>
> Miss Fisher was born in Orange, and moved to California several years
> ago.
>
> Mr. Fisher is survived by his wife, Gloria; sons, Craig and Kim;
> daughters, Mrs. Diane Beasley and Mrs. Jalilah A. Muhammad; a brother,
> Herbert; a sister, Mrs. Ona Gaither; 16 grandchildren and 16
> great-grandchildren.
>
> Miss Fisher is survived by daughters, Mrs. Samara Maxe and Mrs. Jole
> Baerga; a brother, Herbert; a sister, Mrs. Ona Gaither, and five
> grandchildren.
>
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Re: [CTRL] Disenfranchised voters

2001-01-03 Thread radman

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At 03:48 AM 1/3/01 -0600, Amelia wrote:

>your news release is dated November 11.  I posted the results of
>the "investigation" recently as did a couple of others.  Nothing was found
>that was credible.

radman says:
Please repost and cite your more current sources then. I checked all your
postings since the election (in ctrl archives)  and there is nothing
remotely close to what you allege above. As was to be expected, since the
USDOJ investigators are *still in Florida gathering evidence*. HELLO
This hasn't even reached the *investigation* stage yet, it is still in the
*inquiry* stage. For you to claim that there was an *investigation that
found nothing* is either the heighth of stupidity or deliberate
misinformation on your part. Please do not continue to insult our
intelligence any further on matters of public record.

Also, please see, 1) "US inquiry into claims black voters were stripped of
rights", below.

>I am talking about real, factual
>charges brought by the justice department.  Crimes, rights violations.  None
>were found.

radman says:
As you asked for in your original posting, I cited names, charges, rights
violations, possible crimes, ad nauseum, that are *currently being looked
into*. Plenty were alleged. While they may yet be disproven is a fact. Your
statement that *none were found* is a deliberate lie. Whether criminal
charges get filed, or anyone gets prosecuted *remains to be seen*. That you
choose to ignore reality speaks volumes about your intentions.

>NOTHING to do with the riot
>which was mostly reporters and not even Republicans.  If only they would say
>they were intimidated! 
>Repeat:
>The committee says it was not intimidated nor frightened nor anything else
>by the "riot" and it had nothing to do with their decision to stop
>counting.

radman says:
I am not a supporter of Bush, Gore or any other politician, but you are
obviously having a hard time with reality. Public record again: only *one*
member of the canvassing board has made any public statement whatsoever and
that was to confirm that the Republican *riot*, *protest* or whatever you
care to call it, *was* a factor in stopping the recount. Perhaps not the
*main* factor, but *a* factor certainly. [I quote: "One nonpartisan member
of the board, David Leahy, the supervisor of elections, said after the vote
that the protests were one factor that he had weighed in his decision." and
"If what I'd envisioned worked out and there were no objections, we'd be up
there now counting," election supervisor David Leahy said."] The other two
members have said *nothing* publicly, putting to the lie your statement
that "the committee says it was not intimidated". If a statement does in
fact exist, please cite source. As to the *intentions* of the protesters,
it was to *stop the recount*, in the words of one of your (ahem) *reporters*.

From: Protest Influenced Miami-Dade's Decision to Stop Recount
By DEXTER FILKINS and DANA CANEDY, New York Times, MIAMI, Nov. 23

""We were trying to stop the recount; Bush had already won," said Evilio
Cepero, a reporter for Radio Mambi. "We were urging people to come downtown
and support and protest this injustice."
Mr. Cepero played a key role in the protests, roaming around the building
outside and, with a megaphone, addressing a crowd of perhaps 150 people.
"Denounce the recount!" he shouted repeatedly."

""One hour they're telling us they're going to get it done," Luis Rosero, a
Democratic aide, said of the canvassers, and "the next minute there were
two riot situations and a crowd massing out in front. This was deliberate."
Mr. Rosero said he had been punched and kicked by Republican supporters
outside Mr. Leahy's office. Republican supporters scoffed at the accusation
that they had engaged in a scheme of intimidation, saying the protest had
been nothing more than a spontaneous manifestation of people's anger."

Regarding this *spontaneous manifestation* (of reporters, hah!) , please see:

2) "GOP Protest in Miami-Dade Is a Well-Organized Effort:
Bush Campaign Pays Tab For Aides From Capitol Hill Flown in for Rallies", and,

3) "Mobile Protesters: Party Operatives Start 'Spontaneous'
Demonstrations", and,

4) "Names of Participants in Miami "Riot"", all below.

Amelia says:
>Stating that an investigation is going to be held
>does NOT prove evidence was found. Show me the found evidence as a result
>of these investigations and pages of testimony and supposed names, found
>that is by those in authority to do so.  Who or what agency has been charged
>and with what violation?

radman says:
You were the one who asserted that an investigation was done and *nothing
was found*. That statement is a *lie*. Whether it's deliberate or from
ignorance is up to you to clarify. You can't have it both ways.

Amelia says:
>Sorry you went to so much trouble assembling all the old disproven
>propaganda. Seems a lot of "misunderstandings" occurred.

radman says:
Nothing has been disproven. Again,

[CTRL] Fwd: {slick-d} Polio Vaccine may have 'problems'





-- forwarded message --

Taken from From FINAL CONFLICT NewsEmail 29th December 2000 Issue 1526

FEEDBACK: VACCINES

A Happy & PROSPEROUS New Year, (Welcome to the new Millenium)

I get German newspapers sent to me here in Sydney and a report in
one of them says the British are in for a major BSE shock. According
to the "National Zeitung" 3rd November 2000 Page 11.

Quote; "35 million doses of a Polio Vaccine have been issued and
more than 130,000 British children have already been inoculated
against Polio and the 'stuff' (vaccine) they injected had been made
from fetuses of calves that had been destroyed because of BSE
[i.e. mad cow disease] problems. Endquote

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[CTRL] Israel Confirms Liquidation Policy - Arafat Not Ruled Out


Israel Confirms Liquidation 
Policy - Arafat Not Ruled Out
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1-3-01

In a signal of further escalation in the three-month uprising in the territories, Israel confirmed Wednesday that its policy of liquidating Palestinians who are behind attacks on Israelis could also target senior officials of the Palestinian Authority.   "Those who are behind, have already carried out, or planned to carry out terror attacks - this is not a new policy for us - must be hit," Deputy Defense Minister Ephraim Sneh told Army Radio. "This is the most efficient, precise, and just way." Israel has refrained from attacking PA officials in the past, sending squads of "special units" to kill officials and activists of the Fatah movement, which has spearheaded the intifada, or uprising, and whose armed militiamen have been central in gun battles with IDF soldiers.   Though Fatah is nominally under the aegis of PA Chairman Yasser Arafat, the extent to which Arafat can control the movement's activities remains unclear.   Asked if Yasser Arafat might also be a candidate for liquidation, Sneh declined to answer directly.   "In the end, any decision will be judged on the basis of its bottom line - will it ultimately cause more damage or more benefit."   In remarks broadcast by the radio Wednesday, Prime Minister Ehud Barak said "We intend to act in the coming weeks with all our might to lower the violence, and to harm whomever harms us ... We are acting, have acted and will act with increasing efficiency in these spheres." The radio said that despite a lack of concrete evidence, Israeli security authorities believed that several recent attacks including the Monday bombing in Netanya "bore the fingerprints of elements of the Palestinian Authority" or Fatah activists. But Sneh said it was more likely that either the militant Muslim Hamas or the Islamic Jihad organizations were behind the Netanya bombing, rather than Fatah.

Re: [CTRL] Californias Power Crisis - a natural result of rampant Environmentalism


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From: "Nessie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>If anybody remembers the contrived gas shortages of the 1970s,

I surely do...


>I was living an hour outside of New Haven. Gas cost $.32 a gallon and
>you could buy all you want.

It cost 35 cents a gallon IN New Haven, when I attended Sick-Sick (SCSC -- now SCSU) 
in 1971...

And I thought THAT was a lot of money, because the year before, when I'd first gotten 
my driver's license, gas
was about 8 cents a gallon cheaper...

Then it went up to 50 cents a gallon, and I remember we all thought that was an 
outrageous price...but were
sure that it would NEVER go so high as to cost over a dollar a gallon...   :-7


>Then it cost $1.40 a gallon and you could
>only buy $1.00 worth at a time and there was a line.

And you could only buy gas if it was your designated day to do so...I forget what the 
exact system was, but it
was based on odd-even days of the month, and what letter either your last name or your 
license plate began
with, I forget which...


>I took a walk one day down by the harbor. There were four, count em
>FOUR, tankers at anchor. They were all lying low in the water, full to
>the brim. And there they sat while the price went up. They sat there for
>weeks on end.

Yes, it was later shown that there WAS no 'shortage', and in fact the big oil 
companies had had plenty of
reserve oil anchored offshore (as you observed), and the whole thing was manipulated 
by them just so that the
prices could be artificially inflated to an extent that the public wouldn't have 
accepted otherwise...


June

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2001-01-03 Thread Mark McHugh

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> --- MICHAEL SPITZER <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >   DISCLOSURE
> >
> >   AN EXPOSE OF THE GREATEST SECRET OF THE 20th CENTURY

Tenorlove wrote:
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> An ET/alien post that doesn't mention D.Icke? Somebody's not doing
> their homework! :-D
>
> Tenorlove

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>I have had a few experiences with Australian Skeptics:
>
>1)  I attended several conferences where Australian Skeptics had to be
>forcibly ejected due to their public behaviour.  They yelled, cat called
>and jeered continually during lectures, and made it difficult for anyone
>else to hear what was being discussed.
>
>2)  I have been invited onto three radio shows, all run by Australian
>Skeptics members.  Each time, I was told outright lies about what the
>show was, and what they wanted to discuss.  For example, Adam Joseph (who
>was removed from the airwaves NOT by Scientologists, but because his drug
>habits were becoming too embarrassingly public)

I don't know about this. Are you at liberty to reveal your source? Knowing 3RRR, using 
a few drugs is probably a requisite for going on air! There were other presenters of 
the show also, it was actually quite a good amateur science show at times. I used to 
be a subscriber but I am now boycotting them due to the Skeptics removal, and their 
refusal to run advertisements for the big Melbourne Pro-Gun Rally a few years back. 
And, unless they made the whole thing up, the Scientologists did send their 
wagon-train of lawyers to 3RRR several times to protest their name being mentioned on 
air as this was religious harassment. The skeptics were told not to mention the 
$cientologists in derogatory terms (or at all), did so subsequently and were removed 
by fascist Steven Walker (who is no longer the program manager last time I looked).

invited me onto his show
>to discuss alternative health issues.  Once I was on air I realised it
>was an ambush.  He wanted the public to know that I was a neo-nazi, with
>fascist leanings.  (Another example of their blatant lies and filth).
>Their prime witness was an ex-neo nazi, and some-time journalist called
>David Grierson.  Grierson, with a history of mental instability, has been
>on a personal vendetta against myself and my magazine after I rejected
>his sexual advances in a hotel in Tripoli, Libya.

Greason (I think that's his name) is a little worm, I have read his book shamelessly 
called 'I was a Teenage Fascist'. He seems to have made a career out of being an 
ex-nazi, he now writes for the 'Australian Jewish News'! As far as his sexuality, I 
wouldn't want to judge but knowing the sort of mental type he is (it is clear from 
reading his book) I am quite willing to accept that he would bear a grudge in this 
manner.

>Another example is so-called journalist, Philip Adams.  He invited me
>onto his show to defend myself against his accusations that I was a
>neo-nazi.  I told his program director that I would be in the USA during
>the time he wanted me on his show.  Needless to say, the show aired
>without me, special guest prosecutor was the sexually rejected David
>Grierson, and I was smeared, lied about and basically shat upon.  The
>told listeners that I had been invited onto the show, but 'for some
>reason had declined to come on'.

You should have issued the ABC a writ for slander. As soon as they call you a nazi, 
assuming they don't have any credible evidence (the closest I have seen is the claim 
that someone used to sell nazi stickers from your post office box. Which is odd 
because for many years I seem to recall you used the Post Office as your mailing 
address, not a box. [note that this is just my recollection, which may well be 
faulty]).

>
>The Australian Skeptics, as an organisation, and as members, have a sorry
>track-record.  They are guilty of resorting to the same tactics as their
>targets.

I don't disagree with the aims of the group, but their poor management led me to not 
renew my subscription (along with generally poor quality and a hefty price rise). If 
their magazine was published with the same quality as Nexus, I would resubscribe 
tomorrow.

>They profess to exist to protect innnocents from being lied to and ripped
>off, and yet they do exactly that.
>
>The Skeptics groups around the world remind me of true fascists,
>information fascists.  Unless we all conform to 'expert' facts, then we
>risk being attacked by these thugs.

The article by Harry Edwards is interesting, as he points out that in his case they 
gave him no chance to respond to the allegations and refused to examine his evidence 
refuting it. Maybe you should email him and offer to print the article?

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[CTRL] Bush Appoints More CFR Members

Bush Appoints CFR Members
As national attention focuses on President-elect Bush’s initial appointments, a picture of an administration dominated by Establishment insiders committed to an internationalist agenda is coming into focus. The selection of retired General and former chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Colin Powell as secretary of state continues a party-transcending tradition of having a member of the Council on Foreign Relations in that post. (The outgoing secretary of state, Madeleine Albright, is also a CFR member.)
General Powell participated in the State of the World Forum 2000 sponsored by the Gorbachev Foundation at the New York Hilton last September. The thousand participants discussed "Shaping Globalization" (the theme of the forum) and took part in sessions to plan our planet’s emerging "new world order." According to Christopher Story, publisher of the London-based Soviet Analyst, the Gorbachev Foundation is the secret successor to the International Department of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union.
Sharing the media spotlight with Powell is Stanford Professor Condoleeza Rice, the president-elect’s choice for national security adviser. As with the position at State, the NSA top slot has often been occupied in recent years by a CFR member (e.g., Henry Kissinger, Brent Scowcroft, and Zbigniew Brzezinski), and the appointment of Dr. Rice continues this tradition. In addition to her CFR credentials, Dr. Rice is a member of the Aspen Institute’s Strategy Group, a dubious honor she shares with Senator Dianne Feinstein, former National Security Adviser Brent Scowcroft, and Foreign Affairs editor Fareed Zakaria. Emeritus members of the Strategy Group include outgoing Vice President Al Gore, and incoming Veep Richard Cheney. The feeling that the executive branch of our government, the CFR, the Aspen Institute, and a few other Establishment think tanks trade staff members among themselves as frequently as major league baseball teams trade players is anything but illusory!
Speculations about several other key Bush administration posts were made in The New York Times for December 18, 2000. The Times reported that two Bush advisers had mentioned former Senator Daniel R. Coats (R-Ind.) as a likely candidate for secretary of defense. Paul H. O’Neil, the chairman and chief executive of Alcoa, was also mentioned by the Times as "the top contender to become treasury secretary." Other contenders mentioned for Treasury by the Times included: Walter V. Shipley, former chairman of Chase Manhattan Corporation; Donald B. Marron, chairman of the Paine Webber Group; and John M. Hennessy, former chairman of Credit Suisse First Boston. The latter three are all members of the Establishment’s favorite club — the CFR.

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[CTRL] Skolnick-THE NEW/OLD WHITE HOUSE GANG (Pt.1)

THE NEW/OLD WHITE HOUSE GANG
Part One of a series
12/31/00 by Sherman H. Skolnick

In the year 2000 Presidential alleged "Election", upwards of 51 million voters nationwide voted for Albert Gore, Jr. He won the national popular vote by some 500,000 votes. In their heart of hearts, some of those voters will always consider Gore as "President De Facto" and pronounce the name of his opponent as George W. BushFRAUD, as an illegitimate occupier of the Oval Office. In previous stories, I pointed out how the presidential alleged "election" played out strangely similar to that of 1876, when Samuel Tilden ran against Rutherford B. Hayes. Tilden won the popular vote and for the rest of his life, considered himself as having been the actual elected President. Winning by one Electoral College vote, approved by a Congressional Electoral Commission, the tie vote of which was bribed, Hayes served in the White House as a one-ter!
m President. Some called him names similar to RutherFRAUD or bitterly toasted him as "To His Fraudulency". There are strange coincidences when you compare the events in Gore Vidal's book "1876". First published in 1976, the book was re-issued in softcover just prior to the year 2000 alleged "election". Bribery and fraud of the State Election overseers in FLORIDA was an instrumental part of Hayes seizure of power. And some persist in claiming the same as to George W. Bush. In his Texas home, Bush has bookshelves in his dining room with---you guessed it!---historical novels by Gore Vidal. [Time Magazine, 12/25/00, page 64.] Coincidence? Some contend in dark and sinister tones that the year 2000 alleged "election" was orchestrated by the super computers using a marketing formula, called "hypothesis averaging". This done, under the supervision of the former head of America's secret political police, the Elder Bush. Were these secret !
methods used to disenfranchise, nationwide, some two million black voters whose ballots were tossed out by machines as supposedly "defective"? And were these mechanisms, using undisclosed proprietary codes, hooked clandestinely to satellites under the control of the super-secret National Reconnaissance Office, NRO? A high percentage of the supposedly "not valid" Afro-American ballots would have been for Gore. As the propaganda horn for the Establishment, how would the oil-soaked monopoly press explain away THAT large of a plurality in the national popular vote for Gore as President? So the black vote had to be scrapped.[On the TV networks, by unwritten policy, IF a black reads you the news, they have to be light-skinned and/or look like a doll and resemble a store mannequin.] One of those turning down an offer by Bush of a Cabinet position was Montana Governor Marc Racicot [(406)444-3111]. Some believe he had too much dirty b!
aggage that even the highly corrupt FBI could not whitewash. Perhaps Bush sought to explain away the shadows. "In an interview with TIME last week, Bush singled out one Governor in particular for praise Racicot of Montana, who emerged during the Florida fiasco as a take-no-prisoners surrogate for the Governor. Racicot's accusation that Gore had declared war on U.S. troops by trying to toss out their absentee ballots has already made him a target among some Democrats on Capitol Hill. But Bush is unbowed and is considering the former state attorney general for Justice or Interior.'He's a genuinely good person', said Bush, 'a genuine guy. I promise you that whatever position he's in, he'll be a star--in a very quiet and humble way. He'll be a great success' " [Time Magazine, 12/25/00-1/1/2001, pp.91-92.] Whatever election fraud may have occurred in Florida favoring Bush, some contend Racicot was the orchestra leader thereof. Inv!
estigators and journalists in upper Montana have claimed that high-level Montana State officials are implicated in the growing dope traffic from Canada through Montana. AND, that Governor Racicot is himself directly involved in a cover up of this criminality. Canadian authorities have sought to reportedly apprehend an FBI official charging him with being a kingpin in the cross-border narcotics. Is it just another coincidence that this U.S. secret police official has been stationed in FLORIDA but has links to the Montana/Canada border area in question? As we showed in previous website stories, the Elder Bush and his sons have 25 secret bank accounts, worldwide. [See "Greenspan Reportedly Aids and Bribes George Bush and Family", with attached Federal Reserve secret wire transfer records by which the Bush family launders billions and billions of dollars from illicit proceeds from dope and weapons smuggling.] Perhaps some have forgot!
ten how the Bush gang committed treason. The Elder Bush, Richard Cheney, James Baker 3rd, and General Colin Powell were implicated in secretly arming Iraq even with nuclear weapons items and ingredients for poison gas. See the book, "Spider's Web---The Secret History of How the White House Illegal

Re: [CTRL] Fw: Re: [CTRL] Fw: Jesse/Dissed Voters/History

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In a message dated 1/3/01 1:31:55 PM Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

> Samantha,
>  Both you and Radman are both right!  I forgot about the problem Al Gore has
>  telling the truth.  Apparently, some of his supporters have that problem
>  also.  I should have asked for credible witnesses with proof instead of
>  alleged reported anecdotal incidents that may or may not have actually
>  happened.  I mean the results of an official investigation and not the
>  fictional accounts of liberal media reporters.  I forgot that in the
absence
>  of actual proof, the facts are just invented, sort of like the Internet.
>  Amelia

  I was very moved and alarmed while watching the NAACP hearings on election
irregularities.  In one fell swoop you're calling them all lying thugs.  And
you think rudeness is someone putting your name in a subject heading?
  I am irritated with myself for spending longer than an hour today coming up
with sources to refute your blanket statements, "it didn't happen," "no one
ever said this."  You asked for info, I gave info - it just doesn't matter,
does it?
  It's interesting that your rant and challenges for names, addresses and
proof come up this late in the election drama.  Many of the news items
pertaining to the protest and election irregularities hearing are cold links
now.
  I guess Carla Binion's writing style and presentation have you in a lather.
 Good.

Samantha

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Re: [CTRL] Fwd: The Death of Matthew Eappen - Abuse/Incest Support

In a message dated 1/3/01 7:57:31 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


Bill - if I had my way any witness in a murder trial would have to take
truth serum...end of trial, and would save the taxpayers a lot of
money.


What do you propose this "truth serum" be comprised of? Know of anything foolproof? I don't.

Bill.

[CTRL] Australian Skeptics

2001-01-03 Thread nexusmagazine


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>I used to be a 'member' of Australian Skeptics. The reason I use ''' is
>that Australian Skeptics, despite having control of over a million dollars
>of trust money, doesn't have a membership at large, only subscribers to
>it's magazine. Although said magazine has been dead silent on the issue, a
>former President of the Australian Skeptics, Adam Joseph, (who used to
>appear on the Skeptics radio show on RRR in melbourne until the
>Scientologists had them taken off air, but that's another story) has a
>web-page about the incredible in-fighting in the group. One of the group's
>formerly most stalwart members, Harry Edwards, an author of several books
>on the paranormal, was expelled for 'corruption' and sued by the group,
>unsuccesfully. They have now threatened the Australian Rationalist
>magazine into not printing these facts, the article of which is to be found
>http://freethoughts.s5.com
>It makes interesting reading. In his defence, Edwards claims that the
>group blurs the distinctions between the Australian Skeptics Inc (aka the
>NSW Committee) and the Trust. He also claims that after his solicitors
>examined the situation, the skeptic's Trust was not set up properly and is
>a private Trust, not a Charitable Trust, which has tax implications for
>the group.
>An interesting article for all current and former 'members' of the
>Australian Skeptics, as well as no doubt many of the new-agers and Xtian
>fundamentalists on the list to dance around gleefully. Well it's that time
>of the year, so be it.

I have had a few experiences with Australian Skeptics:

1)  I attended several conferences where Australian Skeptics had to be
forcibly ejected due to their public behaviour.  They yelled, cat called
and jeered continually during lectures, and made it difficult for anyone
else to hear what was being discussed.

2)  I have been invited onto three radio shows, all run by Australian
Skeptics members.  Each time, I was told outright lies about what the
show was, and what they wanted to discuss.  For example, Adam Joseph (who
was removed from the airwaves NOT by Scientologists, but because his drug
habits were becoming too embarrassingly public) invited me onto his show
to discuss alternative health issues.  Once I was on air I realised it
was an ambush.  He wanted the public to know that I was a neo-nazi, with
fascist leanings.  (Another example of their blatant lies and filth).
Their prime witness was an ex-neo nazi, and some-time journalist called
David Grierson.  Grierson, with a history of mental instability, has been
on a personal vendetta against myself and my magazine after I rejected
his sexual advances in a hotel in Tripoli, Libya.

Another example is so-called journalist, Philip Adams.  He invited me
onto his show to defend myself against his accusations that I was a
neo-nazi.  I told his program director that I would be in the USA during
the time he wanted me on his show.  Needless to say, the show aired
without me, special guest prosecutor was the sexually rejected David
Grierson, and I was smeared, lied about and basically shat upon.  The
told listeners that I had been invited onto the show, but 'for some
reason had declined to come on'.

The Australian Skeptics, as an organisation, and as members, have a sorry
track-record.  They are guilty of resorting to the same tactics as their
targets.

They profess to exist to protect innnocents from being lied to and ripped
off, and yet they do exactly that.

The Skeptics groups around the world remind me of true fascists,
information fascists.  Unless we all conform to 'expert' facts, then we
risk being attacked by these thugs.

It is groups like the Skeptics that stifle exploration of the unknown.
They seek to standardise, monopolise and smear what they do not
understand.

I subscribe to their journals, and I read their 'evidence' about how this
therapy is bunk, or that theory is absurd, or how that UFO was just marsh
gas.  Their articles are shallow, poorly referenced, (and they
extensively use circular referencing) and emotive.  I have yet to read a
convincing article with evidence to back up their smear campaigns.

Skeptics like Adam Joseph and Philip Adams have become the exactly the
same as those they seek to ridicule.

Ironic isn't it!


Duncan


Duncan M. Roads
Editor, NEXUS Magazine
PO Box 30, Mapleton Qld 4560 Australia
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[CTRL] Balkans Syndrome

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Italian, Dutch, Belgian, Spanish soldiers have contracted leukemia and radiation
poisoning as a result of serving in the Balkans where Depleted uranium shells are
thrown around like confettei.

I highlight these types of important stories daily at

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http://sg.dailynews.yahoo.com/headlines/world/afp/article.html?s=singapore/headlines/010103/world/afp/Another_Italian_soldier_dies_of__Balkans_syndrome_.html

Wednesday, January 3 8:01 AM SGT

Another Italian soldier dies of "Balkans syndrome"
ROME, Jan 2 (AFP) -
An Italian soldier, who served in Bosnia, has died of leukemia, his family announced
Tuesday, adding to the growing concern over the health of NATO military personnel who
served as peacekeepers in the Balkans region.

24-year-old Salvatore Carbonaro, from Sicily, was the sixth Italian soldier to die of
"Balkans syndrome," the name given to a series of health problems contracted by those
who served in the former Yugoslavia.

The Italian press has linked the deaths to exposure to radiation from depleted uranium
contained in United States weapons used in the region.

His family announced that Carbonaro, who served in Bosnia in 1998 and 1999, had died
in November.

The dead soldier's brother, Mauro Carbonaro, told a regional newspaper that Salvatore
had been in contact with depleted uranium weapons.

"Balkans syndrome" has affected soldiers from several European nations who took part
in missions in the region since 1992.

Besides the six Italian military fatalities linked to the syndrome, the press here has
listed another 30 suspected cases on soldiers contaminated by depleted Uranium.

In Belgium, five cases of cancer have been diagnosed in soldiers who worked in the
Balkans, but no link with the arms has been established.

Several cases of leukemia have been recorded amongst Dutch veterans of the Balkans.
Spain too has launched an intensive study of some 32,000 military personnel who were
on duty there.

Portugal's army chief of staff said Thursday that about 900 former peacekeepers would
undergo medical tests to see if they had been exposed to radiation linked to depleted
uranium arms.

The newspaper Publico -- citing a Lisbon cancer specialist -- reported last week that
the death of a Portuguese soldier who served in Kosovo could be linked to NATO's use
of the weapons in the Balkans.

But a German defence ministry spokesman told the country's Welt am Sonntag newspaper
that tests carried out by the German army on its Kosovo veterans over the past 12
months had not shown any radiation-linked illnesses.

NATO officials said last month that US aircraft fired more than 10,000 depleted
uranium projectiles in Bosnia between 1994 and 1995 as well as in Kosovo in 1999.

Depleted uranium weapons are denser than conventional arms, which means they can
penetrate heavy armour more easily. They were also used in Iraq in 1990 and 1991, in
Bosnia during the 1994-95 war and during the air campaign against Belgrade in 1999.

The Italian defence ministry has set up a commission of enquiry to investigate the
mooted link between the deaths and cancer cases and the use of the depleted uranium.

Some 60,000 Italian troops and 15,000 Italian civilians have taken part in missions in
the former Yugoslavia since 1995.

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Re: [CTRL] Christians : Cain and Abel (Conspiracy)


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I say Johannas...the crime was stealing apples..thou shalt not
steal.

O'Saba

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[CTRL] Rev. Moon, the Bushes & Donald Rumsfeld

Rev. Moon, the Bushes & Donald Rumsfeld

By Robert Parry
George W. Bush’s choice of Donald Rumsfeld to be U.S. defense secretary could put an unintended spotlight on the role of the Rev. Sun Myung Moon – a Bush family benefactor – in funneling millions of dollars to communist North Korea in the 1990s as it was developing a missile and nuclear weapons program.
In 1998, Rumsfeld headed a special commission, appointed by the Republican-controlled Congress, that warned that North Korea had made substantial progress during the decade in building missiles that could pose a potential nuclear threat to Japan and parts of the United States.
"The extraordinary level of resources North Korea and Iran are now devoting to developing their own ballistic missile capabilities poses a substantial and immediate danger to the U.S., its vital interests and its allies," said the report by Rumsfeld's Commission to Assess the Ballistic Missile Threat to the United States.

"North Korea maintains an active WMD [weapons of mass destruction] program, including a nuclear weapon program. It is known that North Korea diverted material in the late 1980s for at least one or possibly two weapons," the report said.
Rumsfeld’s alarming assessment of North Korea’s war-making capabilities now is being cited by Republicans as a justification for investing billions of taxpayer dollars in an anti-missile defense system favored by Bush and Rumsfeld.
Yet, during the early-to-mid 1990s, the U.S. Defense Intelligence Agency was monitoring a series of clandestine payments from Sun Myung Moon's organization to the North Korean communist leaders who were overseeing the country's military strategies.
According to DIA documents obtained through the Freedom of Information Act, Moon’s payments to North Korean leaders included a $3 million “birthday present” to current communist leader Kim Jong Il and offshore payments amounting to “several tens of million dollars” to the previous communist dictator, Kim Il Sung.
The alleged payments – and broader Moon-North Korean business deals reported by the DIA – came at a time of a strict U.S. government ban on financial transactions between North Korea and any U.S. person or entity, to keep hard currency out of North Korea's hands.
Legal experts say that ban would have applied to Moon given his status as a permanent U.S. resident, even though he maintains South Korean citizenship.
Bush Speeches
While negotiating those business deals with North Korea in the 1990s, Moon’s organization also hired former President George H.W. Bush and former First Lady Barbara Bush to give speeches at Moon-sponsored events.
During one Moon-sponsored speech in Argentina in November 1996, former President Bush declared, “I want to salute Reverend Moon,” whom Bush praised as “the man with the vision.”
The father of the incoming U.S. president has refused to divulge how much Moon’s organization paid for these speeches which were delivered in the United States, Asia and South America.
Some press estimates have put the fees in the hundreds of thousands of dollars, though one former leader of Moon’s Unification Church told me that the organization had earmarked $10 million for the former president. [For more on the Bush-Moon relationship, see the story in our Archives, "Hooking George Bush."]
Ex-President Bush’s pro-Moon speeches came at a time, too, when Moon – now 80 – was expressing intensely anti-American views. In the mid-1990s, Moon denounced the United States as “Satan’s harvest” and condemned American women as having descended from a “line of prostitutes.”
In a speech to his followers on Aug. 4, 1996, Moon vowed to liquidate American individuality, declaring that his movement would “swallow entire America.” Moon said Americans who insisted on “their privacy and extreme individualism … will be digested.”
Beyond these anti-Americanism diatribes, other questions have arisen about how Moon finances his religious-business-political empire. Evidence has existed back to the 1970s indicating that Moon’s organization has engaged in money-laundering operations and has associated with right-wing organized-crime figures in Asia and Latin America.
One of Moon's key early backers was Ryoichi Sasakawa, a leader of Japan's Yakuza organized crime family, according to the authoritative book, Yakuza, by David E. Kaplan & Alec Dubro. [For more on Moon and his history, see our Archives for "Dark Side of Rev. Moon."]
In 1998, Moon’s ex-daughter-in-law, Nansook Hong, added first-hand testimony about one of Moon's money-laundering methods when she described how cash was smuggled illegally through U.S. Customs. Moon “demonstrated contempt for U.S. law every time he accepted a paper bag full of untraceable, undeclared cash” carried into the United States from overseas, she wrote in her book, In the Shadows of the Moons.
Checkered Past
To many Americans, Moon is perhaps best known as a 1970s cult leader who allegedly brainwashed young recruits into joining hi

Re: [CTRL] Fwd: The Death of Matthew Eappen - Abuse/Incest Support


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Bill - if I had my way any witness in a murder trial would have to take
truth serum...end of trial, and would save the taxpayers a lot of
money.

Pretty soon they will be showing actual murders for
entertainent..side shows - but the days come when he chickens will
all come home to roostmurder trials for entertainment

But then CNN put on a war for entertainment.

Judges now become comedians in Court but at least we get to see how
stupid and incompetent some f these people are.

But then not all lawyers and judges graduate at the top of their class.

Best law ever passed - where murderers do not profit from their
crimes.and was very happy to heart Son of Sam's social security was
cut of when exposedhe now comes forth as a Christian?

So pigs fly I guess.

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[CTRL] On Gerston: CAUS COMMENTARY: To Continue or Not to Continue? (fwd)


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[Persoanlly, I used to like Gersten (I only knew him from our
personal emails regarding his e-novel and other related items,
our chats on IRC, etc., and this was all BEFORE he got
"reinvolved" with CAUS), UNTIL he stoled CAUS from Geenwood.  I
asked him MANY times how and why he did that to Greenwood, and
when he FINALLY answered, let me just say that his answer was as
flakey as HE IS.  Among other nonseqeters, "it was all legal," he
said to me.  LEGAL BUT NOT MORAL, PETE!  I got nothing but
disdain for any one that could harm another in such a cold and
HIGHLY calculated way, PERIOD!  --MS]


-- Forwarded message --
Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 19:46:34 EST
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: CAUS COMMENTARY: To Continue or Not to Continue?

CAUS COMMENTARY: To Continue or Not to Continue?

As we begin a new millennium, I want to thank all those people
who have supported CAUS in the past as well as the few who
continue to do so in the present.

Three years ago, in January 1998, I resurrected Citizens Against
UFO Secrecy (CAUS) as an Internet-based organization and created
a web site and daily mailing list called "CAUS Updates."

During those three years, CAUS has filed three federal lawsuits
against various agencies of our government in the hope of
learning more about these enigmatic "strangers" in our skies, in
our homes, in our dreams and in our reality.  The lawsuit against
the Department of Defense is presently on appeal and should be
heard toward the end of the year.  During those three years CAUS
has grown from a few hundred members to several thousands.  The
CAUS web site continues to share the most recent evidence of our
contact with another form of intelligence.  "CAUS Updates" has
been transformed into "CAUS Highlights" which continues to be
distributed free on a daily basis.

In 1998 I decided to forsake the general practice of law and
focus my energies on the directorship of CAUS.  For over two
years, member contributions, both financial and non-financial,
gift shop orders, and miscellaneous other income have allowed me
to devote more than a considerable amount of time to what once
had merely been a hobby.  Unfortunately these contributions,
except for a handful of loyal supporters, have ceased.  Only 3
members purchased any products from the CAUS gift shop during the
Christmas season. Only 16 members have recently contributed to
the $1-a-month-club.

Thus, two months ago, I decided to accept a position with the
Navajo County Public Defenders Office on a full-time basis.
Though now defending the rights of Native Americans, I will still
maintain my position as the director of CAUS and will continue to
pursue an end to UFO secrecy and champion our right to know the
truth about this intelligence that is interacting with our
species.  I would also like to continue the postings on the CAUS
web site and the distribution of the daily "CAUS Highlights" as
well as the "Non-UFO Sunday" messages.  But that decision is
yours to make for me.

The daily "CAUS Highlights" and "Non-UFO Sunday" messages are
sent to over 5000 people and read by many more.  Though my
"spare" time is now very limited, I would be willing to continue
to distribute the daily e-mails to the entire list if as little
as 10% (500) of the present subscribers join the $1-a-month-club.
Instructions on joining can be found on the CAUS web site at:
http://caus.org/dollar.html

During the past three years I, as well as CAUS, have planted many
UFOlogical seeds.  It appears that it is now time to be patient
and wait for the seeds to germinate, the "phenomenon" to become
re-active and pro-active, and long-prophesied "something" to
happen. In the meantime, in order to support myself, I have
reentered the world of trials and tribulations.  If you, the CAUS
supporters, want me to also continue in the world of the
"ufolawyer" I, along with the CAUS webmaster, will need your help
in return.

Peter A. Gersten Executive Director Citizens Against UFO Secrecy
(CAUS) "To leave the list, send an Email message to:
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email: unsubscribe causlist"



CAUS P.O. Box 2443 Sedona, AZ 86339 520-203-0567
http://www.caus.org



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Re: [CTRL] Christians : Cain and Abel (Conspiracy)


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I thought the business with the Tree of Knowledge was the first conspiracy in the good 
book? Didn't Adam tell fibs to God, after he was tempted by his wife and by The 
Serpent?

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Re: [CTRL] Fwd: The Death of Matthew Eappen - Abuse/Incest Support

In a message dated 1/2/01 10:35:17 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

WELL Bill, a little baby was murdered in her charge - she was anxious to
get to the bars, but all during her testimony she continually drank
water - she showed no feelings for the baby.

And YOU who doubt so much of what you read have decided that the press has accounted themselves well in this case?
Methinks you're wrong!
Murdered maybe, but it's unlikely that she did it...rather that little Matthew's parents did, only to have it bite the "foreigner" on her ample arse.

<>

Daddy was, mom was a full-fledged WASP.

>

LOL!!! Yup! They found the perfect little foil.

>

Sympathy for murderers?? Nay! None here.
This was a total set-up, and the little nanny was intended to take the fall, but a decent judge prevented that from happening...all the while the criminal parents are free to do it all over again, and it wouldn'r suprise me in the least if they did.

Re: [CTRL] 93 Christians Killed For Not Coverting to Islam

In a message dated 1/3/01 4:54:44 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

>   Jakarta:  Muslims have slaughtered 93 Christians  on  a
>  small island of the  Maluku chain for refusing to convert to
>  Islam, a church activist said  yesterday.

And this compares to the wholesale slaughter of non-xians during the Crusades and up 'til today how?

Bill.

[CTRL] Problems for Australian Skeptics


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I used to be a 'member' of Australian Skeptics. The reason I use ''' is that 
Australian Skeptics, despite having control of over a million dollars of trust money, 
doesn't have a membership at large, only subscribers to it's magazine. Although said 
magazine has been dead silent on the issue, a former President of the Australian 
Skeptics, Adam Joseph, (who used to appear on the Skeptics radio show on RRR in 
melbourne until the Scientologists had them taken off air, but that's another story) 
has a web-page about the incredible in-fighting in the group. One of the group's 
formerly most stalwart members, Harry Edwards, an author of several books on the 
paranormal, was expelled for 'corruption' and sued by the group, unsuccesfully. They 
have now threatened the Australian Rationalist magazine into not printing these facts, 
the article of which is to be found

http://freethoughts.s5.com

It makes interesting reading. In his defence, Edwards claims that the group blurs the 
distinctions between the Australian Skeptics Inc (aka the NSW Committee) and the 
Trust. He also claims that after his solicitors examined the situation, the skeptic's 
Trust was not set up properly and is a private Trust, not a Charitable Trust, which 
has tax implications for the group.

An interesting article for all current and former 'members' of the Australian 
Skeptics, as well as no doubt many of the new-agers and Xtian fundamentalists on the 
list to dance around gleefully. Well it's that time of the year, so be it.

My homepage

http://leviathan.weblogs.com

Has this sort of information, updated daily.

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Re: [CTRL] articles on radio stimulation

2001-01-03 Thread Smart News


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Dear List,

Below please find two articles on this topic.

Sincerely,  Neil

This may be heavy for survivors to read.

Intracerebral Radio Stimulation and Recording in Completely Free Patients
By Jose M. R. Delgado - From Psychotechnology: Electronic Control of Mind and
Behavior, edited by Robert L. Schwitzgebel and Ralph K. Schwitzgebel, Chapter
15, Holt, Rinehart and Winston, 1973. - Reprinted there from The Journal of
Nervous and Mental Disease, Vol. 147, No. 4, 1968.  Research supported by the
United States Air Force 6571st Aeromedical Research Laboratory, Unites States
Public Health Service, and the Office of Naval Research. "A new instrument
called a "stimoceiver" has been developed for the simultaneous multichannel
recording and stimulation of the brain by FM radio waves in completely
unrestrained subjects.  This instrument is small enough to be worn
comfortably and permanently by the patient."
http://www.datafilter.com/mc/delgadoIntracerebral.html


Excerpts from Journey Into Madness, The True Story of Secret CIA Mind Control
and Medical Abuse - by Gordon Thomas, Bantam, 1989 - [Pages 276-278] -
The possibilities, said Dr. Gottlieb, were far beyond the neurological
masturbation of the pleasure centers.  Not only could a rampaging bull be
stopped in full charge, but humans could finally be programmed to attack and
kill on command.  Another step forward was about to be taken in the Agency's
search for the "Manchurian Candidate."
http://www.datafilter.com/mc/gordonThomasOnSchwitzgebelMachine.html

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[CTRL] DPA: Saddam in hospital after severe stroke (fwd)


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http://www.iol.co.za/html/frame_news.php?click_id=79&art_id=qw97835610178B262

[This story is credited to the German News service, DPA, Deutsche
Presse-Agentur, but so far I can find no confirming source for
it.  --MS]

Saddam in hospital after severe stroke

January 01 2001 at 03:35PM


Damascus - An Iraqi opposition group claimed on Monday that
Iraq's president, Saddam Hussein, was rushed to a Baghdad
hospital late on Sunday suffering from an apparent stroke after
having officiated earlier at the country's biggest New Year's Day
parade in 10 years.

The Iraqi leader was being treated for "a severe stroke" at Iben
Sinna Hospital, said a statement issued by dissident leader Bayan
Jaber of the Supreme Council of the Islamic Revolution in Iraq.

The statement said the 63-year-old president's condition was
unknown but that he was still in the hospital on Monday. There
was no mention of Saddam's medical condition or whereabouts on
Monday by the official Iraqi news media, which generally refrain
from carrying news about his health or that of his family
members.

Hussein officiated on Sunday at the biggest military parade in
Baghdad since the 1991 Gulf War. Flanked by top aides, Saddam
wore a business suit and hat as he stood on a reviewing stand. He
greeted army units with shots from a rifle he held in one hand as
tanks rumbled past and fighter jets and helicopter gunships flew
overhead.

The parade, following the Ramadan fasting month, which ended last
week, also marked the end of a four-week training exercise for
thousands of "volunteers to launch Jihad (Holy War) to liberate
Palestine" from Israeli occupation.

Saddam warned in October that he was prepared to take steps to
"put an end to Zionism" himself even if other Islamic leaders did
not join him.

Last week at the end of Ramadan, which this year coincided with
Christmas, Saddam issued an appeal to all Christians and Moslems
to rise up in holy war against Israel and the "Zionist
conspiracy". - Sapa-DPA


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[CTRL] Fw: SN111:afp- US soldier found dead in northeastern Bosnia

2001-01-03 Thread Mrs. Jela Jovanovic

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Subject: SN111:afp- US soldier found dead in northeastern Bosnia

> SARAJEVO, Jan 3 (AFP) - A US soldier serving with the NATO-led
> Stabilisation Force (SFOR) in Bosnia was found dead with a gunshot
> wound at the weekend in the northeastern town of Brcko, an SFOR
> spokesman said Wednesday.
>The soldier, whose body was found on Saturday, died of an
> apparent gunshot wound, Major Bob Tomson told AFP.
>The investigation into his death is ongoing, Tomson added
> without elaborating or identifying the soldier.
>The dead soldier was found in a house he was believed to be
> living in, the Bosnian Serb news agency SRNA reported.
>More than 4,000 US soldiers serve with the 22,600-strong SFOR,
> charged with overseeing the implementation of the peace accords that
> ended Bosnia's 1992-95 war.
>
>

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[CTRL] Fw: SN75:Relatives Call For Withdrawal Of Italian Soldiers From Balkans

2001-01-03 Thread Mrs. Jela Jovanovic


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- Original Message -
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To: BALKAN <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; SIEM NEWS <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: SN75:Relatives Call For Withdrawal Of Italian Soldiers From Balkans


> Relatives Call For Withdrawal Of Italian Soldiers From Balkans
>
>
> An association of soldiers' relatives Monday demanded the withdrawal of
all
> Italians serving in the Balkans following the growing number of cancer
> deaths among veterans of peacekeeping missions sent to the region.
>
> Angesol, the association of parents of conscripts, asked Italian President
> Carlo Azeglio Ciampi and leaders of the country's armed forces for the
> "immediate withdrawal of Italian soldiers from the Balkans."
>
> Head of the group Amalia Trolio said that leaving the soldiers there would
> be "criminal".
>
> So far, five Italian Balkan veterans have died of cancer and more than 30
> others have fallen seriously ill and there have been claims that the cases
> are linked to the use of depleted uranium shells by NATO during the 1999
> Kosovo conflict.
>
> Angesol accused the government of hiding the dangers from soldiers and
> covering up the evidence. It called for the urgent screening of all
soldiers
> who have served or are serving in the Balkans, saying that "any delays
could
> prove fatal."
>
> The latest Italian victim was a 31-year-old police officer, Rinaldo
Colombo,
> who died from a malignant tumor two months ago. He served in Bosnia and
> Albania.
>
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> cases. During the Kosovo war, U.S. planes are reported to have fired about
> 31,000 rounds of depleted uranium ammunition at Serbian targets.
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[CTRL] 93 Christians Killed For Not Coverting to Islam

2001-01-03 Thread Tenorlove


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Source at bottom, I wasn't given a URL.

Tenorlove
~~
>   INDONESIA
>
>   Jakarta:  Muslims have slaughtered 93 Christians  on  a
>  small island of the  Maluku chain for refusing to convert to
>  Islam, a church activist said  yesterday.
>
>   A  lawyer  with the Maranatha Christian Centre  in  the
>  Malukus  capital  of  Ambon, Mr Sammy  Weileruni,  said  the
>  "forced  Islamisation  of Christians in  Kasiui  island  has
>  been continuing since last week, and by Saturday a total  of
>  93 people have been killed".
>
>   Mr  Weileruni said a man who escaped from Kasiui  on  a
>  boat with his  children, and who arrived in Ambon yesterday,
>  had given him the  information. Kasiui is a small island  in
>  the Watubela island group east of  Ambon island.
>
>   The  man,  a  teacher, told him that when  he  left  on
>  Saturday,  a  total of 763  other  Christians,  fearing  for
>  their lives, had agreed to convert to Islam.
>
>   The  victims  were among about 3,000 people  from  four
>  villages  on the island  who fled into the jungles  after  a
>  mass  attack  by Muslims last Tuesday week  in  which  eight
>  villagers were killed.
>
>   Those  captured were given the choice of converting  to
>  Islam or being  killed.
>
>   The  spokesman for the military headquarters  in  Ambon
>  could not be reached  for comment.
>
>   The  Maluku  islands,  previously known  as  the  Spice
>  Islands,  have been torn  apart by almost two years of  Mus-
>  lim-Christian conflict, leaving more than  4,000 people dead
>  and more than 500,000 as refugees.
>
>   The sectarian violence was sparked by a dispute between
>  a  Christian public  transport driver and a Muslim in  Ambon
>  City  in  January last year that  quickly  degenerated  into
>  fights  between Muslims and Christians before  spreading  to
>  other islands.
>
>   In June, Jakarta imposed a state of civil emergency  in
>  the Malukus and the  North Malukus, but it has so far failed
>  to  rein in the violence. Both sides   haveaccused  security
>  forces of taking part in the fighting.
>
>   Agence France-Presse

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[CTRL] MYSTERIOUS INCIDENT IN FINLAND.

2001-01-03 Thread Kelly


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http://www.ortv.ru/owa/ort_win/ort_news1.news?parms=code=/owa/ort_win/~inrazdel=catastrophes~inid=23558


"Tuesday, 02.01.2001 22:30 MYSTERIOUS INCIDENT IN FINLAND.

Uncommon events occurred today in Finland. In the lake near
Bennayes town directly from the sky fell some enormous
unidentified body. According to the evidence of eyewitnesses,
everything occurred within a few seconds. Was heard loud
whistle, then the sound of impact/shock. Enormous funnel/hopper
was formed on the spot of the incidence/drop in the
object/subject in ice. Scientists do not exclude, that the local
residents became the eyewitnesses of the incidence/drop in the
large meteorite. However, it will be possible to explain this
for sure only after the bottom of lake inspect divers."

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[CTRL] Fwd: [corp-focus] The Insurance Industry/FBI Connection

2001-01-03 Thread Tenorlove


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--- Robert Weissman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> From: Robert Weissman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: [corp-focus] The Insurance Industry/FBI Connection
> Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 15:45:00 -0500 (EST)
>
> The Insurance Industry/FBI Connection
> By Russell Mokhiber and Robert Weissman
>
> Wouldn't it be great if environmentalists could have a close working
> relationship with the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), so that
> anytime the local industrial polluter spouted cancer-causing
> chemicals
> into the air or water, the FBI agents would bust into the corporate
> executive suites and haul away the perpetrators?
>
> Or when insurance companies rip off policyholders, or fail to pay out
> on
> insurance policies, wouldn't it be great if consumer groups had a
> working
> relationship with the FBI -- just pick up the phone and call your
> local
> FBI agents, and have them knock on the door of the CEO of the
> insurance
> company, and begin asking questions?
>
> Wouldn't it be great if law enforcement sided with individuals
> against
> corporate criminals in our midst?
>
> In the area of insurance fraud, at least, it might balance the scales
> of
> justice. Right now, the FBI has developed a very close working
> relationship with National Insurance Crime Bureau (NICB). The Chicago
> area
> crime-busting group is funded by the insurance industry to
> investigate
> crimes against insurance companies -- for example, to crack down on
> individuals who stage auto crashes to cash in on insurance policies.
>
> Last year, the property and casualty insurance industry pumped $28
> million
> into the NICB. And NICB has developed a very close relationship with
> the
> FBI. Robert Bryant, a former number two man at the FBI, is now the
> president of NICB. Gene Glenn, a former special agent in charge of
> the
> Salt Lake City Division of the FBI, is now the NICB's vice president
> for
> field operations.
>
> The FBI has a series of written memorandums of understanding (MOU) --
> at
> least three -- outlining in detail the working relationship.
>
> According to Jim Spiller, NICB's executive vice president, one deals
> with
> "a very highly sensitive covert operation" that he could not reveal
> to us,
> one deals with a joint FBI/NICB crackdown on the theft and export of
> automobiles, and the third addresses "the sharing of information
> about
> stolen vehicles." (The NICB refused to let us see copies of the
> MOUs.)
>
> The FBI/NICB relationship was exposed by Bill Conroy, the editor of
> the
> San Antonio Business Journal. Over the past 18 months, Conroy has
> written
> a series of articles that have been ignored by the mainstream media.
>
> In his series, Conroy reported that:
>
> * A national FBI/NICB operations called Sudden Impact involved joint
> interrogation of suspects, joint search warrant raids and joint
> access to
> medical records through an insurance industry database.
>
> * Operation Sudden Impact netted minorities at a rate of nearly 8 to
> one.
>
> * A lawyer whose San Antonio office was raided by the FBI as part of
> Sudden Impact was never charged with a crime. The FBI told Conroy
> that it
> has no records indicating that the attorney has "ever been of
> investigatory interest to the FBI."  The lawyer claims that the raid
> destroyed his practice and reputation.
>
> * A former FBI informant claims that the FBI was targeting Iranians
> in San
> Antonio as part of Operation Sudden Impact.
>
> * An Assistant U.S. Attorney who was removed from an FBI/NICB case
> after
> making allegations of misconduct against her fellow attorneys
> involved in
> the case is now claiming that she is being persecuted by the U.S.
> Attorney's office.
>
> (The San Antonio Business Journal is owned by American City Business
> Journals, which is owned by the Newhouse chain. American City
> Business
> Journals owns about 40 business journals around the country.
> Interestingly, after the articles appeared in print, insurance giant
> AIG
> took out ad space on the web site of the American City Business
> Journals
> (www.bizjournals.com). The series of articles describing the NICB/FBI
> connection were never picked up by the other business journals in the
> chain.)
>
> Two members of Congress -- Charles Gonzalez, D-Texas, and Cynthia
> McKinney, D-Georgia -- are looking at possible Congressional
> inquiries
> into the NICB/FBI connection.
>
> The NICB denies targeting minority groups. "Our criminal
> investigations
> are conducted based on the criminality, not the culture of any
> individuals," Spiller said. "It's unfortunate that the people
> involved in
> this investigation were minorities. We follow the money."
>
> Would the NICB investigate insurance companies who were ripping off
> consumers? "No," Spiller said. "That would be a job for state
> insurance
> regulators."
>
> But Doug Heller of the Los Angeles-based Foundation for Taxpayer and
> Consumer Rights says he wishes the FBI a

Re: [CTRL] CSETI: AN EXPOSE OF THE GREATEST SECRET OF THE 20th CENTURY (fwd)

2001-01-03 Thread Tenorlove

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An ET/alien post that doesn't mention D.Icke? Somebody's not doing
their homework! :-D

Tenorlove

--- MICHAEL SPITZER <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> -Caveat Lector-
>
>   DISCLOSURE
>
>   AN EXPOSE OF THE GREATEST SECRET OF THE 20th CENTURY
>
>   copyright © 1999 Steven M. Greer

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[CTRL] Source for Cheney Note


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Nessie,
You asked for a source on this.  This is what I have.  Are you wanting to
know to whom CHeney was speaking or what exactly do you want?  Hope this
helps.  If not, I can ask Don Rowan for more info.
Amelia


-This is the original as I received it from Don Rowan.

-Original Message-
From: Don Rowan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2001 9:32 AM
Subject: FW: A Cheney Note




-Original Message-
From: David Austin
Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2001 7:28 AM
To: Don Rowan; John Wegl; Bob Thornton; Wayne Prilliman
Cc: Djaustin (E-mail)
Subject: FW: A Cheney Note




-Original Message-
From: Jerome F. Lawson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2000 1:39 AM
To: Tom Kolk; dick_hague
Subject: A Cheney Note


>From the spoken word of Vice President-Elect Dick Cheney...
-
On my way to work last week, I stopped behind a purple Geo Metro with my

least favorite bumper sticker ever plastered across the back. It read:
"It'll be a great day when schools have all the money they need
and the Air Force has to have a bake sale to buy a bomber."

At that moment, I realized who the most undervalued and under
appreciated
segment of society is. And it ain't teachers. Teachers, I believe, rank
second on that list. Heading the list are the men and women of the
forces,
who, throughout history, have protected our country from the Hitlers
and
Stalin's - they who would have had our white children marching to the
school
bus in jackboots and our minority children locked up in laboratories
and labor camps.

The U.S. military - the most powerful and influential group of people in
the
world, hands-down - gets an awfully bad rap these days. Many Americans
seem
to think that simply because the communist Soviet Union no longer
exists,
the world is as safe as Beaver Cleaver's neighborhood. This, of  course,

ignores three facts:

1) Dozens of countries have nuclear weapons that could take
out millions of people with the turn of a key.
2) Leaders of several countries (e.g. North Korea, Iraq, Iran,
Libya, Lebanon and perhaps China and Russia) would love to see the U.S.
and its people blown to pieces and, most importantly
3) The U.S. has the greatest collection of human, economic,
natural and technological resources anywhere on Earth, making it the
greatest
natural target for military aggression.

Though some would like to fashion the U.S. of the 21st Century as a
flowery
feel-good fantasy where war and violence are mere after thoughts of a
time
gone by, that can never be the case. As bad as our crime and drug
problems
are, we're still considered the jewel of the planet by the half
of the world that has yet to make its first phone call.

In ancient Greece, the people of Athens were unparalleled world leaders
in
art, philosophy and technology. Their rivals in Sparta were not;
instead,
the Spartans built massive, well-trained armies. When the two countries
fought, who won? Sparta. And  guess who lost their entire civilization
because they didn't think it was important to build an appropriate army?

Athens! Right now, the U.S. has the best of Athens and Sparta: we are
the
most cultured and most well-defended country in the world. As we
continue to
lower our defenses by devaluing the military, we open ourselves wider
and
wider to a takeover. A takeover of the U.S.?

Ridiculous, one might say. But why does it seem so unlikely? Because the

power and protection of the U.S. military has been so overwhelming in
the
last century that Americans have been free to enjoy a comfort level
unlike
any in the world. We all take it for granted that we will never be
invaded
by another country, but few other countries can afford to be so sure of
themselves. It's not only Americans who can go to bed feeling safe.

Children everywhere from Israel to England, from Brazil to Japan know
that, if their country is attacked, the U.S. will be there to help.

On TV, the military is often represented by stiff, buttoned-down
generals
or  the occasional drill sergeant who is accused of feeling up a female
recruit. In reality, things are much different. The men and women of the

armed forces are, in most ways, just like everyone else: they are
mechanics,
pilots, cooks, photographers, engineers, secretaries and X-ray
technicians.
They work from 8 to 5 and then come home to their families. The one
difference comes when the U.S. or any of its allies is threatened by a
foreign power. In that case, military people pack up and ship out, off
to
fight - and many times die - so the rest of the country, including
teachers, can continue their lives without interruption.

Teachers mold young minds into intelligent, independent people,and they
should be admired for the job they do; however, I don't know any
teachers
who are required to catch bullets and swallow shrapnel if so ordered by
the
principal. So, old-fashioned as it may seem, I'm happy to give

[CTRL] Facts Belie Dems' Race Smear Against Ashcroft


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Tuesday Jan. 2, 2000; 10:09 a.m. EST

Facts Belie Dems' Race Smear Against Ashcroft

It's testimony to the power of the liberal media that it took this long for
some of the relevant facts about the civil rights record of Bush attorney
general pick John Ashcroft's to emerge.

But after two solid weeks of Democrats smearing him as a racist because he
opposed President Clinton's appointment of soft-on-crime judge Ronnie White
to the federal bench, Kris W. Kobach, professor of Constitutional Law and
Legislation at the University of Missouri-Kansas City School of Law, has
stepped into the breach.

Writing in the New York Post, Kobach reports that Ashcroft:

* Signed into law the state's Martin Luther King Holiday as Missouri's
governor.

* Led the fight to save Lincoln University, an institution that was founded
by African-American soldiers.

* Named eight African-Americans to state judgeships, including the first
minority on the Missuori court of appeals.

* Also put three African-Americans into his cabinet.

* As senator voted to confirm 26 of the 28 African-American judges nominated
by Clinton.

Surely this information should put an end to the relentless campaign to
portray Ashcroft as a closet Ku Klux Klan member.

But as long as the press continues to ignore the Missouri senator's real
record, it won't.

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[CTRL] Ann Coulter: Kwanzaa: holiday from the FBI


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January 1, 2001

Ann Coulter

Kwanzaa: holiday from the FBI

Earlier this week, President Clinton issued a formal White House
proclamation celebrating the first day of Kwanzaa.  His
announcement began with some claptrap about preserving "what we
value of our past," and Kwanzaa being a "wonderful example" with
its "focus on the values that have sustained African-Americans
through the centuries."

Except for the small historical detail that Kwanzaa was invented
in 1966 amidst the madness of the multicultural '60s by a black
radical stooge of the FBI, Ron Karenga, a.k.a.  Dr.  Maulana
Karenga.  Karenga was a founder of United Slaves, a violent
nationalist rival to the Black Panthers and a dupe of the FBI.

In what was probably ultimately a foolish gamble, during the
violent '60s, the FBI encouraged the most offensive black
nationalist organizations in order both to discredit and split
the left.  The more preposterous the organization, the better.
Karenga's United Slaves was perfect.  Despite public perception
blending the black activists of the '60s, the Black Panthers did
not hate whites and did not seek armed revolution.  That was the
trope of Karenga's United Slaves.  In the annals of the American
'60s, Karenga was the Father Gapon, stooge of the czarist police.

Whether Karenga was a willing dupe, or just a dupe, remains
unclear.  Interestingly though, in an 1995 interview with Ethnic
NewsWatch, Karenga matter-of-factly explained that the forces out
to get O.J.  Simpson for the "framed" murder of two whites
included: "the FBI, the CIA, the State Department, Interpol, the
Chicago Police Department" and so on.  (He further noted that
"the evidence was not strong enough to prohibit or eliminate
unreasonable doubt" -- an interesting standard of proof.) Karenga
should know about FBI infiltration.

Also, in the category of the-gentleman-doth-protest-too-much,
back in the '70s, Nigerian newspapers were claiming that many
American black radicals were CIA operatives.  Karenga leapt in to
denounce the idea publicly, saying, "Africans must stop
generalizing about the loyalties and motives of Afro-Americans,
including the widespread suspicion of black Americans being CIA
agents."

There is no question now that the FBI fueled the bloody rivalry
between the Panthers and United Slaves, leading in one outburst
to the shooting of Panther Al "Bunchy" Carter on the UCLA campus
by Karenga's United Slaves.  Karenga himself served time, a
useful stepping-stone for his current position as a black studies
professor at California State University at Long Beach.

Kwanzaa itself is a lunatic blend of schmaltzy '60s rhetoric,
black racism and Marxism.  Indeed, the seven "principles" of
Kwanzaa praise collectivism in every possible arena of life --
economics, work, personality, even litter removal ("Kuumba:
Everyone should strive to improve the community and make it more
beautiful.") It takes a village to raise a police snitch.

Asked to distinguish Kawaida, the philosophy underlying Kwanzaa,
from "classical Marxism" in the 1995 interview, Karenga basically
said that under Kawaida, we also hate whites.  While taking the
"best of" -- I'm not making this up -- "early Chinese and Cuban
socialism," Kawaida practitioners believe one's racial identity
"determines life conditions, life-chances and
self-understanding." There's a happy Horatio Alger story for you.

Coincidentally, the seven principles of Kwanzaa are the very same
seven principles of the Symbionese Liberation Army, another
charming invention of the Least-Great Generation.  In 1974,
Patricia Hearst, kidnap victim-cum-SLA revolutionary, posed next
to the banner of her alleged captors, a seven-headed cobra.  Each
snake head stood for one of the SLA's revolutionary principles
(and this sounds like Saturday Night Live's send-up of the second
presidential debate in which George Bush rattled off an endless
series of Nigerian names): Umojo, Kujichagulia, Ujima, Ujamaa,
Nia, Kuumba and Imani -- precisely the seven "principles" of
Kwanzaa.

With his Kwanzaa greetings, President Clinton is saluting the
intellectual sibling of the Symbionese Liberation Army, killer of
housewives and police, and the founder of United Slaves, who were
such lunatics that they shot Panthers for not being sufficiently
violent -- all with the FBI as their covert ally.  It's as if
David Duke invented a holiday called "Anglica," and the president
of the United States issued a presidential proclamation honoring
the synthetic holiday.  People might well stand up and take
notice if that happened.

Liberals have become so mesmerized by the hegemonic multicultural
nonsense that they have forgotten the real history -- the
violence, the Marxism, the insanity.  Most absurdly, for leftists
anyway, is that they have forgotten the FBI's tacit encouragement
of this murderous black nationalist cult founded by the father of
Kwanzaa.  United Slaves were proto-fascists, walking around in
dashikis, blowing away

[CTRL] Fw: z/f: Clandestine Weather Modification, tool of globalism

2001-01-03 Thread lloyd

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..

>From the New Paradigms Project [Not Necessarily Endorsed]
Note:  We store 100's of related "conspiracy posts" at:
http://www.msen.com/~lloyd/oldprojects/recentmail.html

From: "Lloyd Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Fw: z/f: Clandestine Weather Modification, tool of globalism
Date: Sunday, December 31, 2000 8:55 AM

- Original Message -
From: "Dick Eastman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Newsgroups: sci.environment,alt.society.economic-dev,alt.conspiracy
Sent: Monday, December 25, 2000 10:39 AM
Subject: Re: z/f: Clandestine Weather Modification, tool of globalism

In article <4a305e80b9rblackall@rblackall>, Rodney Blackall
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>While I concur with your scepticism (see my post to )
>was there any need to quote ALL the rubbish?

Please examin the contrailing operations being conducted over the
United States and tell me if they fit your experience and understanding
of conventional military and civilian properties and patterning.

And if they are well outside the range of what you would
reasonably expect from aviation and contrail behavior, would
you please venture your own speculation on alternatives to
the weather modification theory.

While dozens of URLs are showing the phenomenon, may we limit
ourselves to the following, so we can all discuss the same
videos, government documents, chemical analyses etc.

http://www.kosmosltd.net/chemtrailupdate.htm

While you may consider the clandestine weather modification
explanation "rubbish," see how far-fetched the speculations
of the various other observers and interested parties
can become.  See if you don't agree that weather modification
is certainly the most conservative theory of what people are
recording.

I also suggest www.rense.com.

BTW, I came to my own conclusions based on months of observation
over Washington State and on the basis of e-mail shared by
observers around the country who have read  my posts.
I have posted the patents of the various components of the
weather modification technology and even posted letters
from people who were involved in mass-clound-making operations
over the Indian Ocean.  (Did you catch any of these 15 to 20
posts, Dr. Blackall

I do hope you will be able to supply missing facts and
good science to elevate me from the "rubbish" heap I
have buried myself in.

Also, you may wish to consider TOGETHER the following articles
summarizing research of the Brookhaven National Laboratory.

Go to   http://inform.bnl.gov/RESLIB/

then click  BNL Scientific and Technical Reports - Full Text:

www.inform.bnl.gov/pubsearch/

and click the Department of Environmental Sciences

and   View FUll Text Publications for Fiscal Year  FY 1998

Fung, K.H., Chemical Characterization of Aerosol Particles
by Laser Raman Spectroscopy

Sekelsky, S.M., Comparison of Millimeter-Wave Cloud Radar
Measurements for the Fall of 1997 Cloud IOP

Benkovitz, C.M., Compilation and Analyses of Emissions
Inventories for the NOAA Atmospheric Chemsitry Project

Butcher, T.A., Development of a Low Pressure, Air Atomized
Oil Burner with High Atomizer Air Flow

Mahajan, D., Development of Atom-Economical Catalytic
Pathways for Conversions of Syngas to Energy Liquids

Grossman, S., Effects of Elevated Atmospheric CO2 on
Canopy Transpiration in Senescent Spring Wheat

Karnosky, D.F., The Forest-Atmospheric Carbon Transfer
and Storage-II (Facts-II): Aspen Face Project

Barr-Kumarakulasingghe, S., Frequency Interactions to
Explain Madden Julian Oscillations and Intra Seasonal
Oscillations

Ma, H., Massively Parallel Implementation of a High Order
Domain Decomposition Equatorial Ocean Model

Halthore, R.N., Measurement and Modeling of Shortwave
Irradiance Components in Cloud-Free Atmospheres

Barr-Kumarakulasingghe, S., On the Instability of
Tropical Western Pacific Warmpool During Boreal
WInter and Spring

Ma, H., A Parallel Implementation of a Spectral
Element Ocean Model for SImulating Low-Latitude
Circulation

Tang, I.N., Phase Transformation and Growth of
Hygroscopic Aerosols

Miller, M.  Quantifying Hydrometer Advection
and the Vertical Distribution of Cloud Fraction
Over the SGP Cart

Ferrare, R.A., Raman Lidar Profiling of Water
Vapor and Aerosols Over the Arm SGP Site

Nunnermacker, L.J., Trace Gas Measurements in
Phoenix, Arizona

FY - 1999

Nishikawa, M., Behavior of Excess Electrons in Supercritical
Fluids - Electron Attachment

Warmest regards on Christmas Day,

Dick Eastman
Yakima, Washington
U.S.A.

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[CTRL] AP: Clinton OKs War Crimes Court Entry


-Caveat Lector-

[Well, he's still searching for a legacy, but, isn't using
cluster bombs against civilian targets an "egregious human rights
abuse?"  --MS]


Sunday December 31 3:03 PM ET

Clinton OKs War Crimes Court Entry

By LAWRENCE L. KNUTSON
Associated Press Writer


WASHINGTON (AP) - Acting at the last moment, President Clinton on
Sunday authorized the United States to sign a treaty creating the
world's first permanent international war crimes tribunal to
bring to justice people accused of crimes against humanity.

The president said his action, taken with some reservations,
builds on U.S.  support for justice and individual accountability
dating to American involvement in the Nuremberg tribunals that
brought Nazi war criminals to justice after World War II.  ``Our
action today sustains that tradition of moral leadership,'' he
said.

The treaty should not be submitted to the Senate for ratification
until certain concerns are met, he said.

``I believe that a properly constituted and structured
International Criminal Court would make a profound contribution
in deterring egregious human rights abuses worldwide...,'' the
president said in a statement issued at the White House.

The treaty must be ratified by the Senate before U.S.
participation in the tribunal becomes final.  Fierce opposition
to its terms is expected from conservatives led by Sen.  Jesse
Helms, R-N.C.

The president said he acted ``to reaffirm our strong support for
international accountability and for bringing to justice
perpetrators of genocide, war crimes and crimes against
humanity.''

``In signing, however, we are not abandoning our concerns about
significant flaws in the treaty,'' the president said.  ``In
particular, we are concerned that when the court comes into
existence, it will not only exercise authority over personnel of
states that have ratified the treaty, but also claim jurisdiction
over personnel of states that have not.''

``Given these concerns, I will not and do not recommend that my
successor submit the treaty to the Senate (for ratification)
until our fundamental concerns are satisfied,'' he said.

Clinton acted at Camp David, the presidential retreat in western
Maryland where he and his family are spending the last New Year's
weekend of his administration.

Sunday was the deadline for countries to sign on to the
international criminal court treaty and transmit it to United
Nations headquarters in New York.  After Sunday, ratification is
the only way a government can express support for the treaty or
associate itself with it.

The court would be the first permanent institution created
specifically to try charges of war crimes, genocide and crimes
against humanity.  At present the United Nations has two
specifically targeted and temporary war crimes courts in
operation.  One deals with suspects from the Bosnia-Herzegovina
civil war of the early 1990s and the other with people implicated
in atrocities during unrest in Rwanda in 1994.

Treaty supporters contend that a permanent international war
crimes court is ``the missing link'' in the global legal system
and say that over the past half century there have been many
instances of war crimes and crimes against humanity that have
gone unpunished.

For example, supporters note that no one has ever been held
accountable for the alleged genocide in Cambodia in the 1970s
when an estimated 2 million people were killed by the Khmer Rouge
or for killings in such other countries as Mozambique, Liberia
and El Salvador.

Support for a permanent international war crimes tribunal was
first expressed in the years immediately after World War II.
Interest in creating such a court has been voiced periodically
ever since.

The United Nations contends that setting up temporary courts to
deal with alleged war crimes in specific countries has been an
inadequate response because unavoidable delays lead to such
consequences as deteriorated evidence, escaped or vanished
witnesses, and witness intimidation.

Some in the United States have expressed concern, however, that
U.S.  approval of such an international tribunal might subject
American citizens to politically motivated prosecutions.

Helms, chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, has
campaigned vigorously against the court.  He has pledged to give
top priority during the congressional session starting next week
to passage of a bill that would bar U.S.  cooperation with any
such international tribunal.

Helms also has tried to persuade Israel, which also is delaying
its decision until the last minute, to reject the international
court.  In an opinion piece in an Israeli newspaper this month,
Helms said that if the court existed now, senior Israeli
officials possibly could have been indicted for actions taken to
put down the ongoing spasm of anti-Israeli violence by
Palestinians.

The United States and Israel were among the handful of countries
that did not sign the statute creating the treaty when it was
issued in Rome i

Re: [CTRL] What's ahead for Freedom Lovers?

2001-01-03 Thread Jayson R. Jones


-Caveat Lector-

Bill, I have to agree with this assessment.  There are three things that
have to occur: 1. a precipitating event, 2. a charismatic leader, 3.
serious economic problems.  If these things come at the same time, open
revolt could well follow.  The precipitating event could well be
anything, a true variable.  The charismatic leader would have to declare
himself early if already a politician.  If he arises from outside, he
would have to declare at the point of open revolt.  I have to chuckle at
the people who are upset when one of the founding fathers is portrayed as
a real person (good points/bad points) who drank and had mistresses.  I
feel that the more we understand that the founding fathers were just like
us, the more likely we are to think we too can be free of a repressive
government.
On Tue, 2 Jan 2001 19:35:57 EST Bill Richer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>-Caveat Lector-
>
>WJPBR Email News List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Peace at any cost is a Prelude to War!
>
>What's ahead for Freedom Lovers?
>
>By Chuck Baldwin
>
>January 2, 2001
>
>
>I use the term Freedom Lovers intentionally. The word "conservative"
>or even
>the word "Christian" is far too vague and indefinite. In today's
>lexicon,
>Bill Clinton is said to personify the term Christian and Colin Powell
>is
>hailed as a conservative. Yet, both men betray the substance of the
>accolades heaped upon them. It's to the point that the terms
>conservative or
>liberal seem to share more in common than most care to admit.
>
>Liberals will steal one's freedom in the name of welfare or
>entitlement
>programs, while conservatives will steal one's freedom in the name of
>law
>enforcement or free trade. The result is the same: Americans continue
>to
>lose their liberties.
>
>What Nazism and Communism could not do through acts of war and
>conquest,
>both major political parties in America are doing through acts of
>congress,
>court rulings and executive orders: putting the shackles of bondage on
>the
>American people. And the unfathomable part to the story is the fact
>that, on
>the whole, the America people don't seem to mind.
>
>Of course, there are those who do mind. There are those who yet regard
>individual liberty (as described and defined in the Declaration of
>Independence, Constitution and Bill of Rights) as worth fighting and
>dying
>for. Their lot may not be large, but it is principled and determined.
>What
>does a new century hold in store for them?
>
>Sooner or later, lovers of freedom will have to make the same kinds of
>choices that yesterday's lovers of freedom had to make. It appears
>inevitable. Neither the Republicans nor the Democrats have the courage
>or
>fortitude to make the hard political decisions necessary to return
>America
>to the founding principles of limited government, states rights, and
>individual liberty. (It may be questioned how many of them even
>understand
>those principles?)
>
>Only the rise of a potent and principled third party can avert the
>hard
>decisions to come. And since this seems remote, it would appear that,
>like
>our ancestors, Freedom Lovers would have to choose from the following:
>
>We can choose the option made by our Pilgrim Fathers and relocate. Or,
>we
>can choose the option made by our Revolutionary brothers and separate.
>The
>only other option is to live in subjugation, which to Freedom Lovers
>is not
>an option at all. The unknown factor is how many Freedom Lovers will
>be left
>when it becomes necessary to make the hard choices described above?
>
>A few months ago, a friend of mine (who was recently elected to public
>office) gave me a wonderful history book. On the inside cover he
>wrote, "To
>Chuck, A Patriot and Friend. Sometimes I think you were born 200 years
>too
>late." Or, at age 48, maybe 50 years too early.
>
>
>
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[CTRL] (re: disenfranchised voters)


-Caveat Lector-

I wonder if it is still illegal to wear a ski mask in Florida.  It used to
be.  I could put on a ski mask and threaten and beat up a committee worker.
I could do any number of things. I could do as you suggest but there is
nothing scientific about it as it has nothing to do with what actually
happened.  Two news cameramen trying to get their cameras through a door at
the same time in order to cover the story do not constitute a "riot."  I
listened and watched the head of that committee saying on TV that they did
NOT feel intimidated nor frightened in any way because of what happened in
the hallway.  It is a very desperate exaggeration.

I also gave credibility to Bob Dole saying on national TV from the "scene of
the crime" that he had spoken with the police and the ones present at the
"riot" and it did not happen.  He also pointed out that Bush supporters were
being jostled around in the very same way right behind him while he was on
camera.  Wonder why they did not cry foul about it and claim it was a riot,
too?   There has to be people out of control and at least a perceived threat
of violence for there to even be a riot.  The most damning thing about this
one is the committee members refuse to say they were intimidated or
frightened in any way by it.
Amelia


- Original Message -
From: "Nessie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2001 1:38 PM
Subject: Re: [CTRL] Fw: Re: [CTRL] Fw: [CTRL] (re: disenfranchised voters)


-Caveat Lector-

>A shoving match in a hallway is not a riot no matter how liberals
exaggerate it in their reporting.

Be scientific. Do an experiment. Dress in black hooded sweatshirts with
circle-A  on them, try a stunt like that and see what happens. When you
get out of jail, report back on your experiences.

<

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[CTRL] CSETI: AN EXPOSE OF THE GREATEST SECRET OF THE 20th CENTURY (fwd)


-Caveat Lector-

  DISCLOSURE

  AN EXPOSE OF THE GREATEST SECRET OF THE 20th CENTURY

  copyright © 1999 Steven M. Greer



  A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF THE SERIES:

  Undeniable proof now exists that extraterrestrial life forms
are real, and that hidden factions of the military industrial
complex have kept a tight lid on the matter for over fifty years!

  Indeed, the recently acquired evidence is so compelling - and
the number of deep- cover government and military witnesses
willing to come forward so definitive- that this documentary
series will constitute a de facto government disclosure.

  Based on the research and findings of Dr. Steven Greer, the
founder and director of the non-profit Center for the Study of
Extraterrestrial Intelligence (CSETI) this documentary will
include only the best, most credible and verified evidence
related to UFOs and extraterrestrial intelligence (ETI).

  Dr. Greer, who has been identifying such top-secret witnesses
and evidence since 1990, has personally briefed such world
leaders as sitting CIA Director James Woolsey, family of UN
Secretary General Boutros Ghali, former Ministry of Defense head
and five star admiral Lord Hill-Norton, various European leaders
and royalty, senior Joint Chiefs of Staff and Pentagon officials
(Admiral and General rank) numerous members of the US Senate and
House of Representatives, including committee chairs, among
others.

  Virtually all such officials have 'green-lighted' this
Disclosure, but are intimidated by the prospect of doing so
themselves. Hence the privatization of such a disclosure.

  This documentary must not be confused with other productions
done in the normally tabloid UFO genre. "Disclosure" will look
and feel a great deal more like a '60 Minutes' or 'Nova' episode
than anything which has been done on the subject heretofore.

  Only the finest, verified and vetted evidence and government
and military witnesses will be featured in the series, and
high-end research and real investigative reporting will be the
core of the project.



  THE EVIDENCE:

  Evidence to be featured in this historic series includes:

a.. The best of the nearly 200 top-secret military,
government, astronaut, cosmonaut and aerospace contractors who
have been first- hand witnesses to unambiguous top-secret UFO/ET
events and projects (see witness summary attachment). These
witnesses, ranging from astronaut and cosmonaut heroes of the US
and former Soviet Union, to military officers involved with
landed and/or crashed ET objects, to scientists and technicians
who have actually worked on reverse-engineering ET technologies
for deep-cover black' projects, will make a definitive and
irrefutable case for the reality of the subject.


b.. The world's best, scientifically confirmed photos,
videotapes and movie footage of UFOs and ET craft.

c.. An expose of the nearly 2000 pages of government
documents received by Dr. Greer after his briefing with the CIA
Director in December of 1993. These documents are smoking gun
evidence, are and have a pedigree based on a direct release
resulting from a FOIA (Freedom of Information Act) request.


d.. The best of nearly 3500 commercial and military aircraft
pilot encounters, many with multiple witnesses, radar tape
footage and both radar and visual confirmation.


e.. The best of physical evidence, physical trace cases from
landed and/or crashed UFOs and quite likely actual material of
extraterrestrial origin retrieved from landed or crashed UFO
events.

f.. This and additional evidence will be woven into a
compelling story which includes the following inter-locking
themes:

g.. The evidence and phenomenon itself
a.. An overview and history of the subject
a.. An exclusive expose of how secrecy has been maintained
and the legal, constitutional and social implications of such
super-secret 'black' p rojects - projects which remain outside
the reach of elected and appointed world leaders.


b.. A thorough expose of the nature of the extraterrestrial
technology systems, how the UFOs appear to operate and why such
knowledge has been guarded so strictly for over 50 years. This
expose will show that the reverse - engineering of UFO/ET craft
led to major technological breakthroughs beginning in the late
1940s and early 1950s -and that such knowledge, once revealed,
will replace every known form of energy (oil, coal, gas, nuclear)
currently used on earth.


c.. Once the above technologies are described, the viewer
will then be shown the raison d'etre of UFO Secrecy: Why the
secrecy was imposed to begin with - and why it is still being
enforced today.

This includes:


d.. The implications of Disclosure: how every aspect of life
on earth will be changed and how a sustainable civilization may
be possible through these revolutionary technologies. The
documentary series will show how the environment, the economy and
other aspects of society will benefit long-term by the eventual
disclos

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-Caveat Lector-

http://www.msnbc.com/news/509870.asp?0na=2302440-

THE WASHINGTON POST
December 31,2000

Policy and politics by the numbers

Polls became a defining force in Clintons administration

Bill Clinton bristles at the suggestion that he ran his
administration based on the polls, but they did play a key role
in his presidency.

By John F. Harris


Dec. 31  One night a week, a select group of White House aides
and Cabinet members would file into the Yellow Oval Room in the
White House residence. And Bill Clinton, the most polished and
talkative politician of his era, for once would let someone else
do the talking: a disheveled man who even friends say was ill at
ease except when the conversation turned to numbers.

   It is not true, as some critics say, that Clinton always
did what pollster Mark J. Penns numbers told him to do. It is
true that no previous president read public opinion surveys with
the same hypnotic intensity.

 THE MAN was Clintons pollster. The weekly residence
meeting was the place where this president got his fix of the
data that drove a presidency.

   As Clinton prepares to leave office 20 days from now, even
his sharpest critics bow to his mastery of politics. This was a
president who understood his times and became the dominant voice
of them, who faced every conceivable adversity yet managed still
to survive and prosper. What is less understood is that Clintons
political gifts were more than the magic of personality. They
were a set of precise techniques that relied on constant gauging
of public opinion, and constant responses to it in ways large and
small.


  Clinton never liked the media. But don't ask him why

  http://washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A433-2000Dec30.html

   So Clintons legacy is in many ways a story about polls.
It is not true, as some critics say, that Clinton always did what
pollster Mark J. Penns numbers told him to do. It is true that
no previous president read public opinion surveys with the same
hypnotic intensity. And no predecessor has integrated his
pollster so thoroughly into the policymaking operation of his
White House.

   It was with the critical assistance of polls-literally
hundreds of them, taken daily during campaigns and other critical
moments, and at least once a week all through the second
term-that Clinton refined the centrist new Democrat language
and policies that are one of his distinctive political
contributions.

 Most of all, according to a variety of aides who worked
closely with this president, polls were the essential device in
helping Clinton survive and govern in a hostile Washington
climate that for at least two-thirds of his tenure required him
to fight to preserve his influence. His two terms encompassed the
days of the Republican congressional takeover in 1995 and 1996,
the impeachment ordeal of 1998 and even this year, when the
natural cycles of politics would tend to rob a lame-duck
president of policymaking clout.

   Perhaps no episode illustrated the merger of polling and
policy as vividly as one that began unfolding in the fall of
1997.

   After five years in which Clinton had seen much of his
domestic agenda stymied by the need to fight the budget deficit,
his White House was facing a welcome new challenge: a surplus.

   Clintons economic and domestic policy teams huddled
busily for months to discuss how to use the new money  and to
devise a strategy to prevent Republicans from spending it on a
tax cut. On Nov. 19, 1997, the decision essentially got made. At
the weekly meeting that night, Penn presented what  measured by
the hundreds of billions of dollars that would be affected 
counts as one of the most influential polls ever. The survey,
which he completed just an hour before the meeting began, showed
that voters preferred devoting the surplus to Social Security
over a tax cut by 82 percent to 16 percent.

   It was a margin that astonished Clinton, participants
recalled. But the polls also showed voters overwhelmingly favored
Social Security over such options as creating a new educational
trust fund, or other spending plans White House policy aides had
been considering.

   Two months later, just days after a sex scandal had
exploded on him, Clinton delivered a State of the Union message
imploring Congress to save Social Security first. That echoing
phrase helped him regain his political footing, and put
Republicans permanently on the defensive in the most important
fiscal policy debate of recent years.

   Other examples, while less dramatic, are more revealing of
the day-in, day-out way in that polling merged with policy and
message in this White House.

   In late 1998, Penns numbers showed issues relating to
privacy were suddenly zooming off the charts. The pollster,
meeting with such top officials as Treasury Secretary Lawrence H.
Summers, agitated to push proposals protecting medical and
financial records to a promi

[CTRL] FR: Foster's lividity


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An interesting thread about the lividity in Foster's body may be
found at:

http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a37ea4c6f63c9.htm

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[CTRL] Dutch TV Films Bio-War on Colombian Village (fwd)

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- Original Message -
From: "Alberto M. Giordano" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2000 10:05 AM
Subject: Dutch TV Films Bio-War on Colombian Village

December 31, 2000

A Narco News Global Alert

Please Distribute Widely

Dutch TV Footage:

Herbicide Sprayed On Water Supply in Colombia

http://www.narconews.com/

On Saturday, December 30th, Holland's TV News Program "Nova"
Showed Video of US-Funded Herbicide Spraying in the town of
Ponte, Colombia.

The crop duster, however, was not spraying coca fields.

The video reveals repeated spraying over a forest stream that is
the water supply for a village of Inago Indians, causing illness
and skin blisters in young children and eliminating food and
medicine plants.

The Colombian Government Denies the Spraying

The Video Tells the Truth

"Plan Colombia" Includes Biological Warfare, not to Eradicate
Coca, but to Clear the Native People Out of the Region

"Even now, eradicating for five or six years in Colombia, and the
coca crop continues to grow. No one outside of Washington
believes in the war on drugs. I think that this war with the
guerrillas is going to fail. I hate to see my country get into
another failed war such as Vietnam or Central America."

-- Former US Ambassador Robert White, quoted by Nova

To see the footage that disproves the claims of Washington and
Bogotá, go to the front page of Narco News, click the Nova
program link, and then click "Zaterdag" (Saturday) in the section
titled "Afgelopen Week"

The program, in the Dutch language, is available on either
Realplayer or Windows Media Player. The section on Colombia
begins 13 minutes and 30 seconds into the half-hour program.

>From somewhere in a country called América,

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[CTRL] All drivers may appear in digital lineups


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All drivers may appear in digital lineups

http://www.sptimes.com/News/122200/TampaBay/All_drivers_may_appea.shtml

The Pinellas Sheriff's Office gets $3.5-million for a new
photo-matching program.

By LISA GREENE
© St.  Petersburg Times
December 22, 2000

LARGO -- Pinellas County sheriff's deputies plan to start looking
at your picture every time they're looking for a criminal
suspect.

That's because the Sheriff's Office won a $3.5-million federal
grant, igned Thursday by President Clinton, to match photos of
crime suspects with databases of other photos, including Florida
driver's license pictures.

Pinellas Sheriff Everett Rice says the program will be a huge
asset, but some criminal defense lawyers say it may infringe on
citizens' privacy rights.

"Just another Big Brother situation, if you ask me," said Denis
deVlaming, who thinks reviewing license photos would violate
Florida's Constitution.  It specifically gives Floridians a right
to privacy.

Anthony Battaglia agreed.

"My picture's been up there for 10 years, and I think I have a
right of privacy," Battaglia said.

Battaglia's partner, Timothy Weber, noted that drivers already
licensed didn't know their pictures could be used this way.

The question is, what was the consent you gave at the time you
gave your driver's license photo?" he said.

But the sheriff doesn't see a problem.

"I don't see anything Big Brother about it," Rice said.  "The
innocent public out there doesn't have to worry because all it's
going to do is point to a possibility or a probability."

Still, he is expecting controversy.

"I'm sure, like everything else we do in our business, it'll be
subject a court challenge, but I just don't see a violation here
at all," Rice saiid.

Rice compared the program, called face recognition technology, to
DNA evidence and automated fingerprint matching.

"It's just amazing how this will boost our investigative
capabilities," Rice said.

The computer software would use a picture of a suspect, such as
one taken by a surveillance camera at a bank or convenience
store, or a police composite drawing.  It would measure the
suspect's face: the distance between the person's pupils, from
eye to nose, and other features.  Then it would review those
measurements against photos in databases.

In effect, the program could run every licensed Florida driver
through a photo lineup.

Pinellas would be the first police agency in Florida to use the
technology, but it's already being used in a few other states,
most often to prevent fraud rather than to catch criminals.

According to news reports, the Los Angeles Sheriff's Department
caught a mugger three years ago by comparing a composite sketch
to mug shots in its database.  But most of its mug shots aren't
digitized so they can be read by a computer.

In Illinois and West Virginia, computers check driver's license
applicants with existing license photos to make sure they don't
have another identity.  In Boston, welfare officials do the same
thing to prevent double-dippers.  But in Michigan, state
officials decided not to use the technology because of privacy
concerns.

DeVlaming compared the plan to the controversy generated several
years ago, when Florida sold the state's database of driver's
license photos to a private company that planned to use them to
help retail stores fight credit card fraud.  The sale generated
so much protest that Gov.  Jeb Bush canceled the contract in
early 1999.

But Bob Sanchez, spokesman for the Department of Highway Safety
and Motor Vehicles, said this program would be different because
it would be used only by law enforcement agencies.

Rice said he hopes to have the system working sometime next year,
"but that may be a little optimistic."

The Sheriff's Office has few details about how the technology
will operate.  It is working with a computer company, Viisage
Technology, and a consulting firm, the Lafayette Group.  But
officials still don't know what new computers or other equipment
they will need.

"There's still a lot of work to do, but it's a very exciting
prospect," said office spokeswoman Marianne Pasha.  "It's going
to be custom-designed for our use."

The department plans to phase in the technology, Pasha said,
first using a database of county jail booking photos, and then
moving on to Florida driver's license records and other photo
databases.  Those could include other local jails' booking photos
and federal arrest photos.

Records on the grant, which was included in legislation sponsored
by U.S.  Rep.  C.W.  Bill Young, the Largo Republican who is
chairman of the House Appropriations Committee, also say the
Florida Highway Patrol will participate in the plan.

Sanchez said late Thursday that the patrol met last week to
discuss the program, but that officials there haven't yet decided
whether the program is feasible.  Young and Pasha said the patrol
already agreed to participate.

In the past, Rice said, investigators have been frustrated by
s

[CTRL] HC: Clinton indictment likely after term ends, analysts say


-Caveat Lector-

http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/story.hts/front/784264

Houston Chronicle
December 30, 2000

Clinton indictment likely after term ends, analysts say

By MICHAEL HEDGES

WASHINGTON -- President Clinton could be embroiled in a bitter legal
battle within weeks of leaving office if prosecutor Robert Ray seeks an
indictment of the president, as many here are predicting.

Ray, who succeeded Clinton adversary Kenneth Starr as Whitewater
independent counsel, has recently re-interviewed Monica Lewinsky. He
will decide soon whether to seek perjury and maybe obstruction of
justice charges against the president, who leaves office Jan. 20,
sources close to the investigation said.

"It has been full steam ahead," said a person with knowledge of the
investigation. "I think it is safe to say (Ray) has always been leaning
toward indicting Clinton."

Legal analysts said the signs point to an increasing probability of
charges against Clinton.

"It is hard to think of any good reason for re-interviewing Monica
Lewinsky unless Ray was planning to bring charges," said former U.S.
Attorney Joseph diGenova. "I don't think you'd need to do it just to
wrap up your report."

E. Lawrence Barcella, a Washington defense attorney, agreed.
"Re-interviewing Lewinsky at this point certainly seems consistent with
the idea of going forward with an indictment," he said. "She's already
been interviewed two dozen times, so it wouldn't make sense otherwise."

Ray recently set up still another interview with Lewinsky through her
attorney, Plato Cacheris. Cacheris declined to talk about that request,
but issued a statement saying Lewinsky would cooperate.

Prosecutors with the independent counsel's office have been reviewing
other evidence as well, including phone tapes made public in 1993 by
former Clinton girlfriend Gennifer Flowers, sources said.

In those tapes, Clinton and Flowers discussed ways to keep their
relationship secret.

DiGenova thought it was telling that Ray was apparently reviewing the
Flowers tapes.

"If Ray is thinking of bringing a perjury charge, you could use the
tapes of those phone calls to show how this man has in the past coached
witnesses," diGenova said.

One of Starr's former prosecutors said there was strong sentiment at the
time that the Lewinsky-related impeachment charges were being prepared
against Clinton to include the Flowers tapes in the evidence.

"He almost said word for word to Gennifer Flowers on those tapes what he
said to Monica about covering up their affair," said the lawyer, who
asked not to be named. "Mr. Starr decided it would be too explosive to
use the Flowers tapes during the impeachment, but if you were going to
take Clinton to trial, it would be extremely potent evidence."

A more complete transcript of the Flowers tapes than I was aware
of until now can be read at:




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[CTRL] [BIOWAR] 3 military jets release 'spider webs' over Wallowa County




 

: Fwd: [BIOWAR] 3 military jets release 'spider webs' over Wallowa 
County
Apparently this was published in early October as indicated at 
the end of the story.  I accessed the link given below; it is still 
active
From The Wallowa County Chieftain,http://www.wallowa.com/chieftain/archives/023/3news/3news.html-Spider 
  webs choke Wallowa County air spaceBy Elane Dickensonof the 
  ChieftainWallowa County Extension Agent John Williams examins what 
  appear to bespider webs under a 20-power bioscope. (Photo by Elane 
  Dickenson)Shortly after 1:30 last Thursday afternoon, the Wallowa 
  County Chieftain wasalerted to a phenomena taking place over the city of 
  Enterprise at that veryminute. The message was that spider web-like 
  material was falling from thesky, and said to be the product of 
  "contrails" from three military jets thathad been flying back and forth in 
  a east-west flight pattern at highaltitude at the south end of the Wallowa 
  Valley above the mountains.They flew "at least an hour" and one flight 
  pattern was directly overhead,according to the informant, Steve Doster of 
  Enterprise. He said stuff likethat which was falling from the sky here has 
  been making people sick allover the country.Doster, the person who 
  called, suggested that someone with a good cameracome out to shoot some 
  photographs above the street in front of AceHardware, where he and a group 
  of other people were watching the "webs" falldown.Though there was 
  no aircraft visible when the requested camera arrived, andthe bright sky 
  made a decent photograph doubtful, spider-web like material from thin 
  filaments to thicker masses  was indeed falling from the sky,hanging 
  up on utility lines and car antennae. The stuff seemed to 
  beeverywhere.Doster said, according to information he'd read on 
  the Internet, some ofthis material had been tested in a health lab and was 
  found to be a"biological soup" designed to make people ill. He said 
  theories ranged fromthe government trying to raise the immunity of 
  residents to the governmenttrying to reduce world population to somehow 
  facilitate the establishment ofa world order."I haven't formed any 
  opinions myself, I just wanted people to be aware thatthis has been 
  happening," said Doster.Doster later supplied Internet material, most 
  of it reports published byEnvironmental News Service (ENS), as well as 
  Internet links, talking aboutthe "contrails" coming from military jets 
  flying in a grid pattern.Contrails are condensation trails generated 
  at altitude high enough forwater droplets to freeze in a matter of seconds 
  and not quickly evaporate.Unlike normal contrails , which dissipate soon 
  after a jet's passage, videosshow "eery silver jets streaming fat 
  contrails from their wing tips,"according to a ESN release dated Jan. 8, 
  1999. One from Jan. 12, 1999,described "globular filaments resembling 
  spider webs usually falling inclumps or wads ranging from pencil eraser 
  size to the size of a balled upfist. ... Winds often whip the cobweb-like 
  material into filaments as longas 50 feet. ... (The) sticky substance 
  'melts in your hands' and "adheres towhatever it 
  touches.'"According to ENS reports, flu-like illness with symptoms 
  ranging frombronchial problems and headaches to fever and diarrhea 
  connected with thecontrail/web phenomena, according to the Internet 
  reports, with somehospitals reporting epidemic conditions.The 
  contrail patterns have been reportedly been observed in over 40 U.S.cities 
  and in 10 or more countries, according to the reports. The address tothe 
  web page from which most of the material was taken ishttp://www.islandnet.com/~wilco/. Most of the reports 
  were written byWilliam Thomas, who can be described as a right-wing 
  environmentaljournalist.Before reading this material  which 
  cautioned against handling the stuffbecause of illness associated with it 
   the Chieftain retrieved a sample ofthe stuff lying on the ground. As 
  of press time the reporter handling theweb-like material had not gotten 
  sick.However, Doster said Tuesday this week that he was suffering from 
  an "upperrespiratory infection and fever, typical flu symptoms," while two 
  of thepeople who'd been watching the webs with him had light headaches 
  that nightand one woman was suffering from severe diarrhea. "Of course it 
  could becoincidental," he noted.A call to Wallowa Memorial 
  Hospital Tuesday afternoon uncovered the factthat there were then five 
  patients in the hospital, "a little lower thannormal," said a spokesman. 
  When told about the web-like material that hadfallen that is said to 
  possibly make people sick, he commented, " As far asI know, nobody has 
  even heard of that around here."A trip Friday morning (when there was 
  no longer webs falling from the sky)to the Wallowa County Extension Office 
  to investigate the web stuff wasinconclusive. The filaments, by th

Re: [CTRL] Fw: Re: [CTRL] Fw: [CTRL] (re: disenfranchised voters)


-Caveat Lector-

>A shoving match in a hallway is not a riot no matter how liberals
exaggerate it in their reporting.

Be scientific. Do an experiment. Dress in black hooded sweatshirts with
circle-A  on them, try a stunt like that and see what happens. When you
get out of jail, report back on your experiences.

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[CTRL] WP: Clinton Never Liked the Media


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Clinton Never Liked the Media.  But Don't Ask Him Why

By John F.  Harris
Washington Post
Sunday, December 31, 2000; Page B01

Every reporter assigned to cover Bill Clinton over the past eight
years soon enough became expert on the same subject: the
presidential temper. Truly florid eruptions, with red face and
wagging finger, were easy to spot.  But it took a more practiced
observer to recognize the everyday resentments that so often
colored this president's mood.  Typically, the first hint that
some question had struck a nerve was when that familiar voice,
usually raspy and casual, suddenly would become choked and
formal: "May I remind you, sir .  .  ., " he would hiss, or "As
I'm sure you know, ma'am .  .  .  ."

As a member of the White House press corps, I saw countless such
tempests (and prompted a few) and had a good vantage point on
Clinton's disdain for press coverage of him.  I realize now that
I participated in a collision that was as inevitable as it was
spectacular. Reporting as it is conducted in modern Washington,
with a heightened emphasis on the personal and political motives
behind the actions and statements of public officials, clashed
with Clinton's perception of himself, and with his conviction
that his own noble motives should not be questioned.

This is a rueful story, in which each side -- Clinton's White
House and the press corps that covered it -- genuinely feels that
its suspicions and grievances toward the other have been
vindicated over time.  In honest moments, both sides should also
feel at least a measure of self-recrimination.  It is also a
cautionary tale, filled with useful lessons for George W.  Bush
and the White House team he and Dick Cheney are now assembling.

Those lessons will probably be ignored.  I mostly covered the
Democratic campaign in 2000, but much of what I read or know from
colleagues on the Republican trail suggests that Bush and the
press corps are headed for a relationship every bit as hostile,
and mutually unproductive, as what came before.

What came before was -- along with Clinton versus the
congressional Republicans and Clinton versus Ken Starr -- one of
the great antagonisms of Washington politics during the 1990s.

I began covering Clinton in 1995, after press relations with the
president had already soured.  But it seemed plain enough to me,
as an interested observer in 1992 and 1993, that many political
reporters were intrigued by this new presence on the national
stage and ready to give him, his wife and his team of young aides
the benefit of the doubt as they brought a new governing approach
to Washington.

So why did the Clinton team -- which arrived in Washington full
of energy, optimism and intelligence -- end up having such a
brooding, sullen and ultimately self-defeating relationship with
the national press corps?  I've heard many theories spun out in
innumerable conversations over the years with colleagues and
Clinton aides.  Most of them probably have an element of truth:
The Clintons came to town privately vowing payback for what they
viewed as unfair scandal coverage during the 1992 campaign.
They resented the "Georgetown establishment" for what they
perceived as the establishment's resentment of them. Members of
the Washington press corps, for their part, were offended by
early deceptions and lies, and by the Clintons' unwillingness to
disclose relevant information about Whitewater and other
controversies. Changing societal standards, perhaps also combined
with the envy of his generational peers, lowered the deference
extended by reporters to this president.

But all these explanations miss what I believe is the most
important factor -- and the critical psychological dimension --
behind the dislike both Bill Clinton and Hillary Rodham Clinton
harbored toward the press. This was a clash of values that went
far beyond specific provocations about this negative story or
that misleading statement.

Washington political reporting, in the era of the 24-hour news
cycle, is preoccupied with divining the hidden reality behind the
public face of events.  For better or worse, if Clinton makes a
statement about a major overhaul of Social Security, I'm likely
to report and write as much on the rationale and strategy behind
the statement as on the policy itself.  As it happens, probably
nothing drives Clinton crazy more than a suggestion, whether from
a staff member or a reporter, that his true motives are less
exalted, or more complex than his publicly stated motives -- or
that he is driven more by political maneuver than consistent
principle.  So Clinton views garden-variety Washington coverage
not as a nuisance to be endured, but as a personal assault. And
when the questions genuinely do hit close to home, such as a
question about Whitewater, both Clintons respond with a rage that
aides say only hints at their private feelings toward the
inquiries.

I have my own examples.  Fairly early in my White House tour I
received a fin

[CTRL] Fw: Re: [CTRL] Fw: [CTRL] (re: disenfranchised voters)

-Caveat Lector-

Re-read your own post--it was NOT because they were "rioting" but because
the process was perceived as not  being OPEN andUNFAIR.  This is not because
of the violence of the riot as you are implying.

Just didn't happen the way Democrats/Liberals are spinning it.  A shoving
match in a hallway is not a riot no matter how liberals exaggerate it in
their reporting.
Amelia

- Original Message -
From: "Samantha L." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2001 12:29 PM
Subject: Re: [CTRL] Fw: [CTRL] (re: disenfranchised voters)

> -Caveat Lector-
>
> In a message dated 1/3/01 3:48:02 AM Central Standard Time,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
> > I have read that very same worn out account of the "riot" until I could
gag.
> >  I watched it on TV replayed over and over ad nauseum, to.  The
committee
> >  said it had NOTHING to do with their decision to stop counting.
Period.
> No
> >  matter how badly you want that to be the reason, it was not.
>
> http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3a1dfb651577.htm
>
> Source: New York Times
> Published: Friday, November 24, 2000 Author: By DEXTER FILKINS and DANA
CANEDY
>
>  exerpts
>
> One nonpartisan member of the board, David Leahy, the supervisor of
> elections, said after the vote that the protests were one factor that he
had
> weighed in his decision.
>
> "This was perceived as not being an open and fair process," Mr. Leahy
said.
> "That weighed heavy on our minds."
>

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[CTRL] Fw: Re: [CTRL] Fw: Jesse/Dissed Voters/History


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Samantha,
Both you and Radman are both right!  I forgot about the problem Al Gore has
telling the truth.  Apparently, some of his supporters have that problem
also.  I should have asked for credible witnesses with proof instead of
alleged reported anecdotal incidents that may or may not have actually
happened.  I mean the results of an official investigation and not the
fictional accounts of liberal media reporters.  I forgot that in the absence
of actual proof, the facts are just invented, sort of like the Internet.
Amelia
- Original Message -
From: "Samantha L." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2001 11:07 AM
Subject: Re: [CTRL] Fw: Jesse/Dissed Voters/History


> -Caveat Lector-
>
> In a message dated 1/2/01 10:01:03 PM Central Standard Time,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
> > Of course one can find voters whose rights were violated if one is
> > fabricating them.  Produce one name and address of a credible registered
> > voter who will swear then were denied the right to vote in an illegal
> > manner.  Come on, let's hear it!
> >
> > It did not happen.  Repeat, IT DID NOT HAPPEN, folks.  Here in the Deep
> > South, we have done everything to make things like voting more
> > accessible to blacks for years and no body in their right mind is going
> > to do otherwise.
>
> http://www.usnewswire.com/topnews/Current_Releases/1113-102.html
>
> Andreei "Andy" Berkowitz, of Palm Beach, Florida, tearfully
> testified about how polling officials challenged African Americans
> voters and demanded they produce a photo identification without
> doing the same to white voters. "They didn't ask me for a photo
> ID, but they did ask African Americans in Rivera Beach," a middle
> class Palm Beach neighborhood, said Berkowitz.
>

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[CTRL] More on Ashcroft


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http://www.salon.com/politics/feature/2001/01/03/partisan/print.html


  Ashcroft whistles Dixie
  Bush's attorney general nominee is only the latest conservative
  lawmaker caught pandering to fans of the Confederacy in a tiny but
  powerful Southern journal.

  - - - - - - - - - - - -
  By Alicia Montgomery

  Jan. 3, 2001 | WASHINGTON -- John Ashcroft surely expected to face
  much of the heat he's now experiencing as a Cabinet nominee -- the
  outgoing Missouri senator's pro-life, pro-death penalty positions,
  along with his role in pursuing the impeachment of President Clinton,
  among other issues, were bound to be fodder for critics from the left
  and center.

  But could he have expected that an interview he gave in 1998 to a
  Southern cultural journal with a circulation of about 8,000 would
  threaten to fire up civil rights groups -- partisans, all -- eager to
  brand the country's would-be next head of the Justice Department a
  racist?

  Well ... yes, he probably should have. Long before Ashcroft ever
  chatted up the Southern Partisan, other conservative politicians also
  had, and lived to regret it. When Ashcroft praised the journal for
  "defending Southern patriots like Lee, Jackson and Davis" -- Robert
  E. Lee, Stonewall Jackson and Jefferson Davis, the holy trinity of
  the Confederate States of America -- he was probably, say political
  observers, trying to shore up support among the Republican Party's
  important Southern conservatives while considering a 2000
  presidential run.

  Now his words are coming back to haunt him, as has happened to others:

  *   In 1984, then-Rep. Trent Lott calls the Civil War "the war of
  aggression" in the Southern Partisan and says that the modern
  Republican Party reflects many of the values of Jefferson Davis.

  *   In 1990, Rep. Dick Armey tells the magazine that civil rights
  legislation directed at the South proved the region was "the victim
  of an unfair stereotype."

  *   In 1996, Patrick Buchanan is targeted by opponents for his
  affiliation with the magazine as a columnist and a "senior adviser,"
  along with his boast in 1986 that he was descended from a Confederate
  prisoner of war.

  *   During the 2000 Republican primaries, Sen. John McCain is
  slammed for having Richard Quinn, one time editor in chief of the
  Partisan, on his campaign staff. Though Quinn and McCain endure
  attacks from the left and the Bush campaign, the Arizona senator
  stands by Quinn.


  On Tuesday, Ashcroft could not be reached for comment over the
  2-year-old interview, but when it first surfaced in the fall of 1999,
  after Ashcroft had blocked the appointment of African-American
  Missouri Supreme Court Judge Ronnie White from the federal bench, his
  Senate office tersely stood by his comments.

  Bush spokeswoman Mindy Tucker dismissed the potential damage of the
  Partisan interview on Ashcroft's chances for confirmation. "Sen.
  Ashcroft is a man who wants an exact reading of history," she said of
  his praise of Confederate leaders.   "I think it matters what the man
  believes," she added.  "If you look at the facts, he has a wonderful
  record on civil rights."

  Most groups aligned against the Ashcroft nomination would disagree.
  Hilary Shelton, Washington director of the NAACP, says the interview
  reflects Ashcroft's abysmal record with blacks, pointing out that 90
  percent of blacks in Missouri voted Nov. 7 for the late Mel Carnahan
  for senator instead of Ashcroft, who lost. Carnahan's widow, Jean,
  assumed office in his place.

  "Ninety percent of African-Americans in Missouri would rather vote
  for a dead man than for Ashcroft," Shelton says. The nonprofit People
  for the American Way, which led the attack on McCain's hiring of
  Quinn last year, plans to focus specifically on the Partisan
  interview when it raises concerns about Ashcroft's record during the
  confirmation process.

  All because of a brief talk to an obscure quarterly journal published
  in South Carolina but operating in the mental CSA (Confederate States
  of America), written for and by those who feel that the wrong side
  won the Civil War. Its Dixiecrat political statements -- in columns,
  interviews, book reviews, editorial cartoons and essays -- is
  sprinkled with less testy bits about Southern culture: recipes,
  NASCAR racing, country music and Civil War history. There's a strong
  rightward lean to the politics, with a suspicion against central
  government, international entanglements and taxes. On social issues,
  it's hard-line family values. The advertisers are more extreme and
  disturbing.

  Editor in chief Christopher Sullivan says the magazine has little to
  do with race, but then again, he also says the Confederacy had little
  to do with race. Slavery was an unfortunate occurrence, he says, but
  somewhat inevitable, and its offenses overstated. Regardless, he
  believes slavery should not dim th

Re: [CTRL] Hidden emitters in cars to cause an accident (fwd)


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Stop a car with radio waves? No problem. Hidden devices not necessary.

See: 


   http://www.sfbg.com/nessie/29.html

   http://www.sfbg.com/nessie/30.html

   http://www.sfbg.com/nessie/31.html

 

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[CTRL] SNET: SPECIAL LIVE BROADCAST TODAY at 2-3 P.M. (fwd)

2001-01-03 Thread William Bacon

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visit my web site at  http://www.voicenet.com/~wbacon
My ICQ# is 79071904

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  SPECIAL BROADCAST LIVE FROM I.B.T. ON DAY 51!!

  Christian Friends,

  I have been doing a live Internet radio program each day from 2-3 PM. EST -
  1-2 PM CST - 12-1 MST - 11-12 PST
  on Crusade Radio:  http://www.crusaderadio.com/

  WE ARE RUNNING A WEEK OF SPECIAL BROADCASTS STATING
  TODAY (WEDNESDAY).

  We will have on a series of speakers that will tell their stories of
 attles
  with the government. You will hear of State and county law enforcement
  rushing in to seize properties, padlock churches and Christian schools,
  and shut down children's ministries and boys' homes. Several of the
  pastors here are veterans of such struggles. GUESTS WILL INCLUDE
  DR. GREG J. DIXON AND PASTOR GREG A. DIXON. You will also hear
  my story of the Operation Rescue at West Hartford, Connecticut, where
  261 peaceful Christians were brutalized by police and prison officials,
  arrested and imprisoned for a month.

  Here is the tentative line-up:

  Wednesday: Pastor W.N. Otwell of Mt. Enterprise, Texas
  Pastor Otwell was fined thousands and arrested for feeding hundreds
  of homeless people in downtown Fort Worth. State and County law
  enforcement laid siege to his ministry for FIVE MONTHS because he
  refused to take a license for his boys' home, AND EVENTUALLY
  RAIDED HIS PROPERTY WITH 100 ARMED OFFICERS.

  Thursday: DR. GREG J. DIXON, Pastor Emeritus of Indianapolis Baptist
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Re: [CTRL] Fw: [CTRL] (re: disenfranchised voters)

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> I have read that very same worn out account of the "riot" until I could gag.
>  I watched it on TV replayed over and over ad nauseum, to.  The committee
>  said it had NOTHING to do with their decision to stop counting.  Period.
No
>  matter how badly you want that to be the reason, it was not.

http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3a1dfb651577.htm

Source: New York Times
Published: Friday, November 24, 2000 Author: By DEXTER FILKINS and DANA CANEDY

 exerpts

One nonpartisan member of the board, David Leahy, the supervisor of
elections, said after the vote that the protests were one factor that he had
weighed in his decision.

"This was perceived as not being an open and fair process," Mr. Leahy said.
"That weighed heavy on our minds."
-
The subsequent demonstrations turned violent on Wednesday after the
canvassers had decided to close the recount to the public. Joe Geller,
chairman of the Miami-Dade Democratic Party, was escorted to safety by the
police after a crowd chased him down and accused him of stealing a ballot.
Upstairs in the Clark center, several people were trampled, punched or kicked
when protesters tried to rush the doors outside the office of the Miami-Dade
supervisor of elections. Sheriff's deputies restored order.

When the ruckus was over, the protesters had what they had wanted: a
unanimous vote by the board to call off the hand counting.
-
"One hour they're telling us they're going to get it done," Luis Rosero, a
Democratic aide, said of the canvassers, and "the next minute there were two
riot situations and a crowd massing out in front. This was deliberate."

Mr. Rosero said he had been punched and kicked by Republican supporters
outside Mr. Leahy's office.

> NOTHING to do with the riot
>  which was mostly reporters and not even Republicans.

http://miamiherald.com/
Published Wednesday, November 29, 2000, in the Miami Herald
CARL HIAASEN
Rioting by GOP tourists

exerpt

Among the screamers who showed up in Miami last week to get their beet-faced
mugs on TV were Thomas Pyle, an aide to the House Republican Majority Whip
Tom DeLay; Michael Murphy, who works on a DeLay fund-raising committee;
Elizabeth Ross, who is employed by Senate Majority Leader Trent Lott; and
Doug Heye, who works for Rep. Richard Pombo, R-Calif.

These and scores of other zealous young Republicans working on Capitol Hill
were given time off, free plane tickets and meal money to come to Florida and
raise a little hell at Thanksgiving. According to The Wall Street Journal,
they even got invitations to a holiday party in Fort Lauderdale, where they
were serenaded by Wayne Newton.

 Protest or Provocation?
By Peter Slevin and Sue Anne Pressley
Washington Post Staff Writers
Tuesday, November 28, 2000; Page A01

exerpt

Rep. Carrie P. Meek (D-Fla.) saw things differently. She watched the melee on
television and rushed to the scene. She said two people carrying Bush-Cheney
signs pursued her into the building, taunting her every step of the way.

"I've been through threatening situations, but this was the worst I've seen
in a long time," Meek said today. "Anybody supporting Gore, they wouldn't let
speak. They looked very hostile and they sounded very hostile and it didn't
make any difference what I had to say. They were trained to shout people
down."
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[CTRL] Status of " Barry and 'the boys' "


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Howdy One and All,

Daniel Hopsicker has dissolved our partnership and I have stopped taking any
orders.

I have no control over what will happen to the taken orders. The information
has been given to Dan.

I can and will personally guarantee any negotiated monies received by me will
either be delivered said ordered goods or full cash refund.  When an official
status will be known I do not know.  I will be contacting folks within the
next week as to what they wish to do.

I am sad. I do wish Daniel success in his venture. We do disagree on matters
of conducting business.

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Om, Shalom, Salaam.
Em Hotep, Peace Be,
All My Relations.
Omnia Bona Bonis,
Adieu, Adios, Aloha.
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[CTRL] Taiwanese invisibility technology is true (fwd)

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Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2000 21:25:50 -0800
From: Nicola Molloy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Taiwanese invisibility technology is true

http://home.earthlink.net/~alanyu6/part2b2.htm
http://home.earthlink.net/~alanyu6/frontpage.htm

By Alan Yu

Part II (B2):There are twelve reasons to prove that inside
information of invisibility technology from Taiwan is completely
true.

Twelve reasons prove that the inside information of invisibility
technology from Taiwan is completely true?

To investigate and seek the truth in an important case, two
scientific methods are usually used; (1). Injunctive method: It
involves reasoning from particular facts or individual cases to a
generalization -a generalization is made on the basis of some
observed occurrences. (2). Deductive method: A process of
reasoning in which a conclusion follows necessarily from the
premises presented.

After using above two scientific methods to examine all of
information that I have gathered, I can conclude that the
invisible personnel have been used in surveillance
station/system. Also, they can secretly enter people's
homes/workplaces, vehicles to keep people under close
surveillance, secretly interrogate a citizen at home with
microwave voice device, and criminally induce illness/death on
any unaware citizen. This also proves that inside information
from Taiwan is completely true (see details latter).

How could I make above conclusion?

First, I use inductive method to examine different particular
facts and individual cases (e.g. the invisibility technology
tested by US Navy in Philadelphia Experiment, US mind control
research history, the mind machine, microwave voice device
technologies, illness/death inducing techniques, scientist's
papers/book on mind control technology, de-classified CIA
document, mind control researcher's report, Zbigniew Brzezinski's
prediction (National Security Advisor to President Jimmy Carter),
reported cases in the article "Microwave Harassment & Mind
Control Experimentation", and reports on the development and
functions of so-called nonlethal weapons from news media, etc. I
make the generalization that the invisible personnel of
surveillance station/system exist and can secretly enter people's
homes/workplaces, vehicles to keep people under close
surveillance and control. Also, they can induce illness/death on
an unaware target.

Second, using the deduction method and with successful
development of invisibility technology (invisible personnel) by
US Navy as the premise, a logical explanation can be made to show
the motivation and reasoning behind the mind control technology
development and a logical explanation can be given for many
different puzzling events which occurred in the past decades
(e.g. US Navy learned mind control technology from Nazi after
WWII and conducted first mind control research "Chatter" in 1947.
Why did US Defense Department and CIA develop illness/death
inducing techniques, why was CIA interested in brain map and
remote electric method developed for bodily control from 1960-70,
In 1970, Zbigniew Brzezinski, predicted a "more controlled and
directed society" would gradually appear, linked to technology, a
1971 speech by then House Majority Leader Boggs saying that
"Today, as we in the Congress undertake to recover and restore
the people's liberty, we find that it is ourselves who are called
to account, ourselves who are under surveillance, ourselves who
are prisoners of the power which our silence permitted to come
into being." Thus, he emphasized that "1984 is closer than we
think" -see details on Congress Record on 4/22/1971).

After using the above two scientific methods to examine
chronological development of technology such for mind control,
thoughts-reading, etc. both chronological and then examine the
situation by tracing through the steps in reverse order based on
history and available facts to seek the truth, I conclude that
invisible personnel of surveillance station/system can secretly
enter people's homes, vehicles for surveillance and criminally
induce illness/death on any unaware target.

Comparing above conclusion with the inside information of
invisibility technology from former Taiwan President Chiang
Kai-Shek, it proves that the inside information is true.

Now, I would like to explain it in more details:

According to inside information from Taiwan, invisibility and
interdimensional-travel technology tested in the Philadelphia
Experiment had been successfully developed by the US during WWII.
Later, these technologies and Life Control Surveillance System
(LCSS) were transferred to Taiwan because Taiwan was being used
as a testing ground. About that time, Taiwan also tested
illness/death inducing techniques (based on acupuncture
practices) developed by the US and Taiwan (mostly developed by
Taiwan's acupuncturists using acupuncture theory).

Why did Taiwan become a testing gr

[CTRL] Hidden emitters in cars to cause an accident (fwd)

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Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2000 21:19:05 -0800
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Subject: Hidden emitters in cars to cause an accident

Part I-E1:  The Microwaves, Radio Waves' Hidden Emitters in Cars
and the invisible operatives can remotely power these hidden
emitters to attack a driver after they secretly enter a target's
car 

  http://home.earthlink.net/~alanyu6/part1e1.htm

  Author:  Alan Yu

Editor:  John Yu

The invisible operatives can secretly enter a victim's car to
cause car accident on highway to get rid of citizens whom the
involved LEO dislike.

The electromagnetic waves or low radio waves emitters in cars can
be remotely controlled (powered) by these invisible operatives
within a short distance.  Thus, the invisible operatives must
enter a victim's car to nearby the hidden emitter in order to
create car accident on streets or highway.  However, these
invisible operatives will fly away the victim's car with their
equipment before the created car accident happen to avoid
themselves being injured in the staged accident.

How could these invisible operatives in victim's car contact with
involved LEO of surveillance station/system?

1. The vehicles have been secretly installed ID-chips which can
emit low radiation wave and it can be tracked by satellites to
locate the vehicle on Earth.

According to a Washington Times article on Oct. 11, 1993, ID-chip
devices (which only cost $25 dollars and can emit low radio
waves) had been available. This kind of ID-chip can be implanted
in animals and in humans or installed in vehicles, be it a car,
boat, or a plane. Furthermore, these ID-chips are designed to be
tracked by satellite (see details on Part I-C of my webpage).
Therefore, this shows that the security officers have already
linked every vehicle in America.

2. The US has built the GWEN system in 1980s.  There are 58
towers in the GWEN system by 1993 (and will build more after
1993).  Every tower can emit VLF to cover the circular area of
250-300 miles radius).  Currently, this GWEN system constantly
emit VLF (very low frequency - a kind of electromagnetic wave) to
cover all of America from these 300 feet (or 500 feet) height
towers.

(attachment)

Cross Currents by Dr. Robert Becker (p. 193)

The GWEN towers transmit electromagnetic waves in the VLF range
between 150 and 175 kHz.  Dr. Becker reported, "The VLF range was
selected because its signals travel by means of ground waves --
electromagnetic fields that hug the ground -- rather than
radiating into the atmosphere.  The signals drop off with
distance, and a single GWEN station transmits to a 360-degrees
circle radiating out from it to a distance of about 250 to 300
miles."

Thus, these electromagnetic waves will be everywhere in America
constantly and can cover all of America from 500 feet above the
ground to the ground (it will go down to penetrate the level
basement of every house, public building) as a wireless web.
Also, the ID Chips has been secretly installed in every vehicle.
Thus, the involved LEO of surveillance station/system can track
any vehicle (car, boat, etc.) and keep touch with the invisible
operatives in a victim's vehicle.

According to power beaming system patent, these electromagnetic
waves can be converted into DC power to power a remote device.

(attachment)

There is a description of the patent of "power beaming system."
(see page 116 on the Angels Don't Play This HAARP)

US Patent Number:  5,068,669

According to this patent, the present invention relates in
general to the transfer of energy by means of electromagnetic
waves to power a remote device. This idea is to convert
microwaves to DC power, which can be done very efficiently and
cost effectively with the right kind of transmission system
capable of focusing the power into a narrow beam.

Thus, some of the common electronic parts which installed in
homes (e.g. household appliances), offices/buildings, car, boat,
plane, etc. should have been re-designed to incorporate new
functions (as concealed emitter which can be remotely activated)
while still preserving their original function. After the
invisible operatives secretly enter people's home/office, car,
boat, plane, etc., and use the above technology of power beaming
system, a nearby invisible operatives would be able to activate
concealed emitter in buildings/offices or people's homes (e.g.
household appliances), car, boat, etc. within a short distance.

These concealed emitters can be remotely controlled (powered) as
emitter for microwave or radio wave weapons (of electromagnetic
waves). For example, after the invisible operatives carry a
psychotronic generator to secretly enter people's home, the
concealed emitter of the TV, the computer monitor, or the
microwave oven in people's home can be remotely activated by a
nearby invisible operative within a short distance. After the
above household appliances are remotely activated by a nearby

[CTRL] AP: Judge Freezes Lazio Campaign Money


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Judge Freezes Lazio Campaign Money


NEW YORK (AP) -- A state judge has frozen nearly $540,000 left
from Rep. Rick Lazio's failed U.S. Senate campaign race against
Hillary Rodham Clinton.

Supreme Court Justice Phyllis Gangel-Jacob barred the Lazio 2000
campaign from using the money before a hearing next week on
whether any or all of it should go to fund raiser Laura Van Hove.

Van Hove claims Lazio 2000 owes her $1.4 million for fund raising
work she did for the Long Island congressman's race against
Clinton. She is one of 26 creditors with $2.7 million in claims
against the campaign.

Federal election records show that Lazio 2000 is $3.4 million in
debt but has assets of $631,000, according to Van Hove's court
papers.


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Re: [CTRL] Fw: Jesse/Dissed Voters/History

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> > Until then, there charges are basically unfounded rumors and lies.  Show
>  > your sources and proof--not articles and opinions but actual people who
>  > will swear that these things happened TO THEM.

  They are called allegations.  As yet no one can send people through the
internet.

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Re: [CTRL] Heritage Foundation


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<< Even cynics were a bit startled by the revelation that Justice Clarence
 Thomas's wife has been employed by the Heritage Foundation to gather résumés
 for potential appointments in the next administration. But let me leave
 ethical issues to the experts and focus on a different question suggested by
 the story: To what extent will a Bush administration, if that's what we're
 about to have, be staffed by people from Heritage and its sister
 institutions? Are we about to enter an era of government by professional
 ideologues? >>

Would you be surprised to hear that previously Ms. Thomas worked for Dick
Armey.  She ran his "defund the left" campaign.  I called and asked for her
bio, since I wondered what her school was, etc.; they snippily told me that
she wasn't running for office and owed me no bio.   She has worked ever since
her husband became a member of the Supreme Court.  I figure he's tight with
pocket money, or she's one of those women who doesn't "stay home and bake
cookies."  So odd for a Republican wife who should be home submitting
graciously.  Prudy

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Re: [CTRL] Fw: Jesse/Dissed Voters/History


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> Of course one can find voters whose rights were violated if one is
> fabricating them.  Produce one name and address of a credible registered
> voter who will swear then were denied the right to vote in an illegal
> manner.  Come on, let's hear it!
>
> It did not happen.  Repeat, IT DID NOT HAPPEN, folks.  Here in the Deep
> South, we have done everything to make things like voting more
> accessible to blacks for years and no body in their right mind is going
> to do otherwise.

http://www.usnewswire.com/topnews/Current_Releases/1113-102.html

Andreei "Andy" Berkowitz, of Palm Beach, Florida, tearfully
testified about how polling officials challenged African Americans
voters and demanded they produce a photo identification without
doing the same to white voters. "They didn't ask me for a photo
ID, but they did ask African Americans in Rivera Beach," a middle
class Palm Beach neighborhood, said Berkowitz.

One of the most dramatic moments of the hearing occurred when
the Rev. Clyde W. Judson, pastor, the Good News Little River
Baptist Church in northwest Miami, testified that he found ballot
box 501 in his church on Thursday. Judson said about 1,000 people
voted at this church, a polling place for 22 years. Judson said he
called election officials about the box, but there was no response.

"This is the first time this happened," said Judson.
-
Miami Police Lt. Diego Ochoa, said police found a locked ballot
box on Friday, three days after the election, in a downtown Miami
hotel. The box was picked up and placed in the police property room
after election officials failed to respond to calls for its pickup.
--
http://216.35.211.108/HEADLINES/1,,C-1-75-142788,00.html

However, Ernest Duval, a native of Haiti, testified that after spoiling one
ballot by miscasting his vote for the Reform Party's Pat Buchanan instead of
the Democrats' Al Gore, he asked for another ballot and a poll worker refused
to give him one apparently in violation of the Voting Rights Act.
---
Carolyn Williams, a Tampa poll worker who handled appeals of voters who
weren't on the rolls on Election Day, said many Black males were removed from
the rolls in October because they were supposedly convicted felons. But she
said that one voter's appeal on Tuesday gave her pause, and she contacted an
election official to explain the voter's circumstances. "Just tell him he's
lying", the election official told her. The appellant was an elderly Catholic
priest.
---
http://dlis.gseis.ucla.edu/people/pagre/13myths.html

9) Myth: The election process in Florida outside of Palm Beach County was
fair.

Fact: Actually, thousands of irregularities in over a half-dozen categories
have already been reported:

-Ballots ran out in certain precincts according to the LA Times on 11/10/00.

-Carpools of African-American voters were stopped by police, according to the
Los Angeles Times (11/10/00). In some cases, officers demanded to see a "taxi
license".

-Polls closed with people still in line in Tampa, according to the Associated
Press.

-In Osceola County, ballots did not line up properly, possibly causing Gore
voters to have their ballots cast for Harry Browne. Also, Hispanic voters
were required to produce two forms of ID when only one is required. (source:
Associated Press)

-Dozens, and possibly hundreds, of voters in Broward County were unable to
vote because the Supervisor of Elections did not have enough staff to verify
changes of address.

-Voters were mistakenly removed from voter rolls because their names were
similar to those of ex-cons, according to Mother Jones magazine.

-According to Reuters news service (11/8/00), many voters received pencils
rather than pens when they voted, in violation of state law.

-According to the Miami Herald, many Haitian-American voters were turned away
from precincts where they were voting for the first time (11/10/00)

-According to Feed Magazine (www.feedmag.com), the mayoral candidate whose
election in Miami was overturned due to voter fraud, Xavier Suarez, said he
was involved in preparing absentee ballots for George W. Bush. (11/9/00)

-According to tompaine.com, CBS's Dan Rather reported a possible computer
error in Volusia County, Florida, where James Harris, a Socialist Workers
Party candidate, won 9,888 votes. He won 583 in the rest of the state.
[11/9/00] County-level results for Florida are available at cnn.com.

-Many African-American first-time voters who registered at motor vehicles
offices or in campus voter registration drives did not appear on the voting
rolls, according to a hearing conducted by the NAACP and televised on C-SPAN
on 11/12/00.
-

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Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Rare winter fire scorches Alaska tundra

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<< > Although there is little snow in the region, tides
 > raise the levels of major
 > rivers and flood mud flats, which freeze, leaving
 > paths used by snowmobiles,
 > Vanderlinden said. The refuge is almost treeless,
 > consisting mostly of vast
 > tracts of wetlands that are among the most
 > significant waterfowl breeding
 > areas in North America.
 >
 > The refuge covers 19.6 million acres and provides
 > habitat for more than
 > 750,000 swans and geese, 2 million ducks, and 100
 > million shore and water >>

Ah, doesn't it make one feel good to know that the roar of snowmobiles is
everywhere.  Prudy

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Re: [CTRL] Deke Bones


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<<   but I
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I imagine that anyone or anything that might "embarrass him" has disappeared
for good.  When one considers that his first act upon deciding to run for
president was to hire a private detective to investigate himself, there is
cause to wonder at what he either can or cannot remember.  Prudy

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Re: [CTRL] License to Kill


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Now Prudy after Civil War, Republicans were called Black Republicans and
no because of their color - when my mother died they played Dixie at her
funeral and she still called Republicans, Black Republicans and Lincoln
- well she was a very proper lady and good thing.

Thought I might suggest this - something someone tried to tell me a long
time ago when I was raising cain and ruffling feathers over my charges
that a certain secret society murdered JFK, RFK, and King..

This man had son in law at Langley - a younger Colonel..he said
something about two bars, what does that mean - supposedly it meant
ordnance - someone in military -

It occurred to me, license to kill..who really has license to kill,
but the military..they hold court martials of soldiers, some who go
AWOL and they can put in stockaces for years but the EXECUTE, they do
not murder - the EXECUTE JUDGMENT.therefore in their own eyes, are
innocent of any wrong doing.

Kennedy had been charged with treasonhe was Commander in Chief and
he was executed by an EX marine.who got their hooks onto Oswald.

So somewhere out there is a high tribunal comprised of military - they
execute judgment and murder - read one story on them once in an old, old
book now removed from all shelves.

They would meet at midnight..and like the Apollyons used draconian
laws and probably like Jack the Ripper signed death warrants in blood
(or at least red ink)

There was a great General, Robert E. Lee, and no doubt descendent from
the real General Leehe and this General Walker got into trouble in
GermanyGeneral Lee called my brother in law for helphe was in
deep.some say he had had a breakdown, but he had been a house guest
many times at their home and a wonderful man - he was onto the communist
threat - but at one time Life Magazine did an article on him, calling
him the Air Force's most valuable man.

So what if there is a group of men, former military, playing Godlike
the Mafia or do they hire Mafia killersalways have lots of guns and
bombs - and know this country has been in great danger - so they take
military law and disregard constitutional law, etc.  for when a man goes
into the service it seems he loses his civil rights.

That one guy executed for going AWOL...Private Slovick - made a movie of
him, woulnd't you know starring Martin Sheen..Eisenhower used him as
an exampleFirst he was court martialed and thrown out of the army -
and then he was executedit would seem to me once he was tossed out
of arm, they had no legal control over the man.

So get out your Gideon Bible...These people believe they operate
within the law  military lawand as Commander in Chief, does this
mean a President has the right to order a hit

Well from look of Clinton's body bag count - I would say yes.

Maybe this is why JFK was charged with treason for death sentence  of
these killers - can only be used for Treason or Murder.

Remember the Black Bordered Ad?
But then remember behind this all, we have War Hogs out for big
bucks..love that Admiral Crow - can only compare to Dr. Death.

It took the KKK Grand Dragos to weed out the Walker spies when KGB
formed a klan.

So to each his own..we are dealing with a non official military
element hereno wonder Clinton had 10,000 body guards.

Saba

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Re: [CTRL] Stealing an Election


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Kissing cousins - you a Mason (just kidding BooHoo).

So Scotch and Irish - what else can one ask.  My reference to this Nanny
thing - the trial was put on TV and there were those ready to run an
make a fast buck - but it did not work.

Movies are the secret link between the police and
government..propaganda tools...and TV, well I can still see
Michael Jackson tip toeing with the kiddies on the stage - and Rosie
O'Donnell playing with the kiddies on PBS with our Big Bird.

I meant Mohammed bit Al Fayed  - he is probably black hand but have read
where he descended from ancient Pharaoh.

So you are from Scotland?   And part Irish.you must be a fine
gentleman.

We had McGregors in our line - they were so bad the government of
England took their name away.in 1954 there about, the Queen gave
them their name back..could belong to Heather Society and the Barons
of Runymead and someday might join.

So good luck BooHoo - thought Demon County was in England?

Does the piper still play over Loch Ness during times of alert?

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Re: [CTRL] ...Elephant Tramples Man And Keeps the Corpse


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This is quite different from the version on Sightings.com. 

I wonder what really happened.

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Re: [CTRL] License to Kill


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<< >
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Negros had souls, and this was somewhat of a compromise. And I'm not being
fecetious either. >>

Well, in Panama City, Florida in l959 or l960, my dentist (a local) informed
me very seriously that "Negros did not have souls."  He was a Southern
Baptist and of course a college grad.  He was even a fair dentist.  I have no
reason to believe that this man or his friends and relatives have had a
change of heart.  The Supreme Court laid groundwork some months back to allow
the states to bring back all those lovely Jim Crow laws.  Now that the same
court has appointed the president, perhaps this l idea will again become the
basis for a movement to return the South to its pristine white ideology.
Republicans are very interesting people.  Perhaps they will decide that
Republicans who are black have just a tiny bit of soul.  Prudy

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Re: [CTRL] Fw: A Cheney Note


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> >From the spoken word of Vice President-Elect Dick Cheney...


Source, please.

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Re: [CTRL] Christians and Conspiracy Theory

2001-01-03 Thread Jayson R. Jones

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[CTRL] RE: [CTRL] California’s Power Crisis - a natural result of rampant Environmentalism


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>If anybody remembers the contrived gas shortages of the 1970s, they
will  remember that the ultimate  result was to make gas prices
IMMEDIATELY rise from 30 odd to 60 odd cents per gallon and for them to
remain PERMANENTLY RAISED. How's that for a neat way to multiply
corporate profits at no corporate expense?

I was living an hour outside of New Haven. Gas cost $.32 a gallon and
you could buy all you want. Then it cost $1.40 a gallon and you could
only buy $1.00 worth at a time and there was a line. I had to move into
New Haven because otherwise I couldnt commute to work and my wife
couldnt get to school. We gave up a nice place on the beach to do it.

I took a walk one day down by the harbor. There were four, count em
FOUR, tankers at anchor. They were all lying low in the water, full to
the brim. And there they sat while the price went up. They sat there for
weeks on end.

After a while the price dropped to $.89 a gallon and you could buy all
you wanted. People were so happy that they forgot all about it costing
only $.32 a gallon only two months before. When I suggested chicanery
might be behind it, people laughed at me and called me a conspiracy
theorist. Everybody knew it was all the fault of the ragheads.




>Wow--does that intimate that the precipitious stock market plunge might
 be contrived too?..


Bingo!

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[CTRL] Fwd: A Wouter Basson Reader







DR. WOUTER BASSON'S  CONNECTIONS TO U.S. INTELLIGENCE
LOS ANGELES TIMES
NATION & WORLD
Saturday, August 1, 1998
http://www.latimes.com/HOME/NEWS/NATION/t70160.html
By DEAN E. MURPHY, Times Staff Writer
CAPE TOWN, South Africa--The United States and its Cold War allies
encouraged South Africa's former white regime to develop a chemical and
biological warfare program that investigators here say veered out of control
and targeted the country's own black population, according to testimony
Friday by the program's director.
Dr. Wouter Basson, the general who headed the top-secret project from its
inception in 1981, also said that U.S. intelligence officials were not
surprised when told that his researchers had explored using cocaine,
marijuana, ecstasy and other street drugs as "incapacitates" on enemies of
the apartheid government. "At that stage in South Africa, we were confronted
with information that the Russians, East Germans and Cubans definitely had
capabilities in neighboring countries," Basson said, referring to fears of a
communist expansion in Africa in the 1980s. "Western countries were
interested in the information we gathered on this . . . so I had access to
[their] senior government officials." The revelations came on the last day
of public hearings before the main committee of the Truth and Reconciliation
Commission, a government body that has been delving into human rights abuses
of the apartheid era of racial separation. Committee members must now sift
through 2 1/2 years of testimony involving some of the most sensational and
contentious events of South Africa's recent past and prepare a report for
President Nelson Mandela by October.
The effort was intended to foster racial harmony by exposing the crimes
committed by both whites and blacks during the apartheid era. The panel's
exhausting hearing process concluded with a surprise bang when Basson, who
had been dodging questions for months, commandeered Friday's session for
nearly 11 hours. 
The steely-eyed general aggressively rebutted claims by investigators and
witnesses that he was apartheid's "Dr. Death" -- the mastermind of a
sinister plot to silence black opponents of the white regime through
clandestine chemical and biological means.
"I did many things, but not one of them was illegal and not one of them led
to the death or bodily harm of a single person," Basson said. "I was part of
the ordinary defense force that had to support the government of the day."
Basson said Project Coast, as the weapons program was code-named, had no
offensive capabilities, despite testimony by former government scientists
that they had been instructed to develop "gadgets" that kill or maim people.
The creation of such cloak-and-dagger items as peppermint chocolates laced
with cyanide, cigarettes contaminated with anthrax and whiskey spiked with
weedkiller were for training purposes only, he said, and were no different
from teaching aids used by militaries worldwide. Occasionally, Basson said,
the experiments were tested on laboratory animals to emphasize, for example,
never to eat a chocolate left on a hotel pillow.
"There is no better lesson than for the person to actually see the results
of his mistake," Basson said.
In 14 pages of notes written by Basson after a visit to the United States in
1981, he said that he was welcomed warmly by scientists and others who were
more concerned with the communist threat than with the increasingly
unpopular racial policies of his government.
The notes, written in Afrikaans and made public at the truth commission
proceeding Friday, say Air Force officials encouraged him to develop joint
"medical projects" with the United States, while other top military and
defense officials extolled the virtues of chemical weapons. "He feels that
chemical warfare is an ideal strategic weapon because infrastructure is
preserved together with facilities, and only living people are killed,"
Basson wrote of a conversation with Maj. Gen. William S. Augerson, who was
deputy assistant secretary of Defense for health resources and programs but
has since retired from the military. "The warm climate of Africa is,
according to him, ideal for this type of weapon because the diffusion of the
poison is better and the absorption is increased by perspiration and
increased blood flow in the persons who are targets."
In another notation, Basson recorded that Augerson said he wondered if the
incidence of typhoid, cholera and other diseases during the war in Vietnam
were the result of "bio-manipulation" by the Soviet Union. In an eerie echo
of that speculation, Basson now stands accused by former Project Coast
employees of ordering research into cholera as a weapon of mass destruction;
Basson dismissed the possibility as absurd Friday.
Referring to himself as a patriot loyal to the "people of South Africa," not
its former white regime, Basson went so far as to suggest that he saved
Mandela from an assassination attempt while the African National

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 news 
December 13, 2000
SF Bay Guardian

Soaking the poor
S.F.'s Bechtel wants the Bolivian people to pay for its bad water
investment.  

By Daniel Zoll

LAST SPRING,  thousands of residents of Cochabamba, Bolivia, seized control
of the city's central plaza to protest a dramatic increase in their water
bills, which by some accounts had doubled or even tripled. The protests
triggered clashes across the country over a wide range of other economic
problems. In response, the federal government declared a state of emergency
and ordered a violent military crackdown. By the time the tear gas had
cleared, six people had been killed and hundreds injured.
The target of the Cochabamba uprising was the local water utility, Aguas del
Tunari (AdT), which was operated in part by International Water Ltd., an
affiliate of San Francisco-based Bechtel Group. In a victory for
privatization foes, the protesters succeeded in ousting AdT, rolling back
rates, and restoring public control of the water system. Last month the
Bolivian government formally canceled AdT's 40-year contract.
But the controversy is far from settled. Now, according to Bolivian news
reports and documents obtained by the Bay Guardian, Bechtel is threatening
to use a 1992 trade agreement between Holland and Bolivia to sue the
Bolivian government, seeking at least $25 million in damages and future lost
profits. If the company follows through with its threat, a secret tribunal
set up by the World Bank will hear the case.
"The people here in Cochabamba have made it very clear that there is not
going to be one cent of compensation," said Tom Kruse, an American activist
and academic living in Cochabamba. "The Bechtel affiliate came here and
raised prices before improving the water system. They were going to use
money from the pockets of poor people to fund their investments."
Kruse is working with the Coalition for the Defense of Water and Life, the
grassroots community and labor group that organized the water-privatization
protests. The coalition says Bechtel is trying to use the Netherlands trade
treaty to circumvent the Bolivian legal system and to escape the scrutiny of
local water customers.
The Bechtel-Bolivia dispute is the latest example of a trend that worries
social-justice and environmental advocates around the world: increasingly,
corporations are exploiting new global investment rules in order to bypass
conventional legal and political channels and to challenge domestic laws.

Bechtel's tap dance

Bechtel, which recently was awarded a $45 million contract to manage the
upgrade of San Francisco's water system, reported $15 billion in revenues
last year on engineering and construction projects around the world.
Why would a San Francisco-based company sue a Latin American country under a
Dutch trade treaty? Last November, just after it started operating the water
system in Cochabamba, Bechtel notified the Bolivian government that its
International Water affiliate had been reincorporated as a Dutch company. On
May 25, after protests forced AdT out of Bolivia, the company sent a
six-page letter threatening to sue under the Holland-Bolivia trade
agreement, asserting International Water's status as a Dutch company.
Some observers say the timing of the transfer of shares to Holland is
suspect, given that the company's claim for damages now rests on the fact
that International Water is a Dutch entity. Did Bechtel move International
Water in anticipation of the troubles? Patrick Jeantet, chief operating
officer of International Water, declined to discuss the company's motives,
saying only that "International Water reincorporated in the Netherlands
before the Cochabamba events you mentioned."
According to sources in Bolivia, the government is not recognizing Bechtel's
standing under the treaty, insisting that the dispute be settled in the
Bolivian courts. 
Under the Holland-Bolivia treaty, the parties had six months to try and
negotiate a settlement. That deadline passed on Nov. 25.
Jeantet said in a faxed statement that the company is still seeking an
amicable settlement with the government. If no settlement is reached, he
said, the company will "seek the protection of Bolivian law." Bechtel has
not yet sought arbitration under the Holland-Bolivia pact, he said,
"although it's a possibility that hasn't been ruled out." Jeantet would not
say what Bechtel intends to do next, except that the company is "exploring
all of its options."
Cochabamba residents are exploring their options too. Last week the
Coalition for the Defense of Water and Life held a seminar called "Water:
Globalization, Privatization, and the Search for Alternatives," attended by
activists from a number of countries, including the United States, Canada,
and India. The coalition is seeking international support for its efforts to
reconstruct its local water company and head off renewed privatization
efforts by the government.
Activists are also lobbying the government to aggressively fight

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