[FairfieldLife] Re: More on Nagel's "Mind & Cosmos"

[authfriend]

Interesting, yes, but I think it misses the point. The
first comment on that post does a good job explaining
the real point, but Feser's response to it completely
misses it again!

The commenter quotes Chalmers at length, concluding
with this:

"How can we explain why there is something it is like
to entertain a mental image, or to experience an emotion?
...Why should physical processing give rise to a rich 
inner life at all? It seems objectively unreasonable that
it should, and yet it does."

To put it another way, the question isn't why things--
including mental experience--seem to us the way they do,
but *why should there be such a thing as "seeming"* in
the first place?

So much philosophical discussion of consciousness takes
"seeming" for granted, when it's the very thing that
requires explanation.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "PaliGap"  wrote:
>
> This is an interesting blog post IMO:
> http://edwardfeser.blogspot.co.uk/2013/03/nagel-and-his-critics-part-viii.html
> 
> Or http://goo.gl/QulfS
> 
> How much of our existential anguish can be laid at the feet
> of Monsieur R. Descartes?
> 
> "From the concrete material objects of everyday life, Descartes
> and the moderns who have followed him derived two abstractions
> (as I discussed in an earlier post).  First, they abstracted out
> those features that could be captured in exclusively quantitative
> terms, reified this abstraction, and called that reified abstraction
> "matter," or "the physical," or that which is "objective."  Second,
> they abstracted those qualitative features that would not fit the
> first, quantitative picture, reified that abstraction, and called
> it "the mental," or that which is "subjective."  Once this move
> was made, there was never in principle going to be a way to get
> mind and matter together again, since they were in effect defined
> by contrast with one another."
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: More on polyamory

[obbajeeba]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agLGiMBqbPE

 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> turquoiseb:
> > Since I'm having fun rapping about this subject, and 
> > because I suspect it'll push a few buttons here ( and
> > you know how I love that :-),
> >
> So, it's all about sex, Uncle Tantra. LoL!
> 
> > I'll continue to use up
> > my posts for this week early before heading into 
> > Amsterdam for the day. 
> > 
> > In retrospect my made-up word "monogamaphobes" was
> > ill-considered, and probably should have been something
> > like "polyamoraphobes." I *have* met a few monogamaphobes
> > among my extended family's polyamorous friends -- those
> > who look down on monogamy as much as monogamists look
> > down on polyamory -- but I have very little tolerance
> > for them, as do my housemates. We're more of the 
> > "different strokes for different folks" and "live and 
> > let live" persuasion. 
> > 
> > Why this whole polyamory thing appeals to me is the some-
> > what remarkable degrees of *honesty* I've found in some
> > people who practice it. That and the lack of one of the
> > afflictive emotions, jealousy. They tend to believe that
> > requiring a romantic partner to "love only them" makes
> > as little sense as feeling that one cannot love one's
> > parents or friends if one has a wife or husband. (Or,
> > obviously, that one cannot love one's primary spiritual
> > teacher if one visits others.) That's just "love as 
> > property" thinking. Icky. Low vibe. 
> > 
> > Most of the sad history of planet Earth has been the
> > result of people raised by nuclear monogamous families.
> > That doesn't seem to me to be a great commercial for
> > the concept. :-)
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: More on polyamory

[Richard J. Williams]

turquoiseb:
> Since I'm having fun rapping about this subject, and 
> because I suspect it'll push a few buttons here ( and
> you know how I love that :-),
>
So, it's all about sex, Uncle Tantra. LoL!

> I'll continue to use up
> my posts for this week early before heading into 
> Amsterdam for the day. 
> 
> In retrospect my made-up word "monogamaphobes" was
> ill-considered, and probably should have been something
> like "polyamoraphobes." I *have* met a few monogamaphobes
> among my extended family's polyamorous friends -- those
> who look down on monogamy as much as monogamists look
> down on polyamory -- but I have very little tolerance
> for them, as do my housemates. We're more of the 
> "different strokes for different folks" and "live and 
> let live" persuasion. 
> 
> Why this whole polyamory thing appeals to me is the some-
> what remarkable degrees of *honesty* I've found in some
> people who practice it. That and the lack of one of the
> afflictive emotions, jealousy. They tend to believe that
> requiring a romantic partner to "love only them" makes
> as little sense as feeling that one cannot love one's
> parents or friends if one has a wife or husband. (Or,
> obviously, that one cannot love one's primary spiritual
> teacher if one visits others.) That's just "love as 
> property" thinking. Icky. Low vibe. 
> 
> Most of the sad history of planet Earth has been the
> result of people raised by nuclear monogamous families.
> That doesn't seem to me to be a great commercial for
> the concept. :-)
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: More Cult News

[navashok]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>

> > > If you are honest, you'll have to acknowledge that you
> > > have been doing precisely this since I called you on
> > > your psychiatric pseudo-diagnosis of Robin last December.
> > 
> > I haven't.
> 
> Yes, navashok, you have.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6kRqnfsBEc

[FairfieldLife] Re: More Cult News

[Ann]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok  wrote:
> > >> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27"  wrote:
> > 
> > > > As I've noted before, you do not hear complaints about financial, or
> > > > sexual impropieties with Robin.
> > >
> > > No? What then was the story with Caitlin and Matthew?  Robins advances
> > to Caitlin were interpreted by him as her evil power of seduction later,
> > when she had refused to give in, when at the same time he had asked her
> > husband Matthew to give up the marriage and become a priest, as he
> > himself wanted to become. (names in the book the CULT, pages 325.)
> > 
> > Sorry, didn't read the book.  I am going by what's been reported on this
> > site both by detractors and supporters.  But even still, if this is your
> > solitary example, it sounds  a little weak.  Usually the sexual
> > improprieties tend to be a  little more rampant.
> >
> I think you should read it, you can easily obtain a copy, I was trying to 
> spare you the details, because I don't want to get into another dog fight 
> here.Surely the sexual component was not the dominant with Robin, but what he 
> tried to do with Caitlin wasn't between two consenting adults, as far as the 
> story goes. But I wasn't there, I have to depend on what is written in the 
> book. Just if you say there is no accusation of sexual misbehavior, it is not 
> true, there is.

I can pretty much tell you straight out that Robin was no sexual predator. 
There was no sexual exploitation, activity, innuendo, occurrence or suggestion 
between Robin and the rest of us. What he did behind closed doors with his 
girlfriend, later to become his wife, was private and confined to the privacy 
of his home. Not only did he not touch anyone physically I never caught a 
single vibe from him that suggested any sort of come on or flirtation let alone 
invitation to his boudoir. Sorry if that is not what you wanted to hear but 
that is that. Whatever occurred in that Chicago hotel room between him and the 
woman there will only truly be known to them and I think they have both moved 
on. It was at the end of days and was very out of character for the Robin we 
all knew.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: More Cult News

[seventhray27]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27" wrote:

> > It would be interesting, for me at least, to know just how
> > this played out, because so often, exposes such as this have
> > little effect. I mean Andrew Cohen being one example. He
> > seems to be doing okay as far as I know. You know, they
> > chalk it up to disaffected students, who fell out of favor
> > with the teacher.
>
> Robin had to close up shop and left town (Vancouver) after
> the expose came out.
>
> Unlike Cohen, Robin had the courage and honesty to realize
> he had gone off the rails--not immediately, but not long
> thereafter. He then withdrew from all but one of his
> former associates and friends and spent the next 25 years
> working on himself with the assistance of this one friend,
> an exceptionally painful process, according to him, that
> he almost didn't survive.
>
> (This is all based on what he's said here in his posts.)
>
> He had come out of that isolation only a few months before
> he showed up on FFL.
>
Ok, thanks for timeline.

[FairfieldLife] Re: More Cult News

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok  wrote:
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok  wrote:
(snip)
> > > > > I think you should read it, you can easily obtain
> > > > > a copy, I was trying to spare you the details,
> > > > > because I don't want to get into another dog fight
> > > > > here.
> > > > 
> > > > You won't get into a "dog fight" by simply reporting what's
> > > > in the book. You *are* likely to get into a dog fight if you
> > > > insist what's in the book must be the objective truth and
> > > > use it to attack Robin (again, in his absence, one of your
> > > > particularly dishonorable tendencies).
> > > 
> > > I only hint what is in the book and report it. Where on
> > > earth do I insist it is true?
> > 
> > In your post to Steve, you reported the "Caitlin" incident
> > as if it were factual (although you backed off after I
> > pointed out that we didn't have Robin's side of the story).
> 
> You have to first read what Steve wrote: Steve said: 'you do
> not hear complaints about financial, or sexual impropieties'

I know what Steve wrote. Here's what *you* wrote:

"Robins advances to Caitlin were interpreted by him as her
evil power of seduction later, when she had refused to give
in, when at the same time he had asked her husband Matthew
to give up the marriage and become a priest, as he himself
wanted to become. (names in the book the CULT, pages 325.)"

As I said, you reported it as if it were factual.

> Factually this is wrong because we hear about complaints
> of sexual improprieties in the book the CULT. That there
> are complaints IS a fact.

Right, I never suggested otherwise.

> If these complains correspond to the actual truth is up
> to everybody's belief.

Right.

> > > The book is there for all to read. It is your insinuations,
> > > pure fantasy by you, that is dishonest.
> > 
> > Oh, which "insinuations" were those, navashok?
> > 
> > > It can't be a taboo talking about this,
> > 
> > Of course not. Nowhere did I suggest it was. I was
> > addressing your silly contention that you'd get into
> > a "dog fight" if you mentioned any details.
> > 
> > > and I am not bringing it up from my site,
> > 
> > ("Side," not "site.") Again, I didn't say you were.
> > 
> > > I am just reacting to what Steve said. Nor do I get after
> > > you, as you continuously insinuate. If you are honest you
> > > will have to acknowledge this.
> > 
> > If you are honest, you'll have to acknowledge that you
> > have been doing precisely this since I called you on
> > your psychiatric pseudo-diagnosis of Robin last December.
> 
> I haven't.

Yes, navashok, you have.

> Just now, it was you responding to what I reported

That's right.

> and making a couple of unfounded insinuations, like my
> supposed antipathy toward Robin.

You need to check the meaning of "insinuation." I didn't
*insinuate* that you had antipathy toward Robin, I said
it right out. (Or perhaps you use the word "insinuate"
to falsely suggest sneakiness on my part.)

You haven't exactly hidden your antipathy toward Robin.
It's been evident for quite some time.

> Right now, and visible to everybody, it is YOU getting
> after me, just because I have dared to mention Robin.

It was because you described the "Caitlin" incident
as if it were established fact, not because you "dared
to mention Robin." Also because of your absurd claim
that you didn't want to start a "dog fight" by
mentioning details from the book, all the while hinting
darkly that about the terrible things that were in it.

> It is like you are ready to jump any time.

Only when you misbehave.

> > (And I don't "insinuate" this, I say it right up front.)
> > 
> > > And yes, I have no reason to believe that Bill Howell is not
> > > saying the truth.
> > 
> > You have no reason to believe he is telling the truth
> > either, other than your antipathy toward Robin.
> 
> You have no reason to believe I have any antipathy toward
> Robin. I have no agenda with him, this is just your fantasy.

No, it's not. Your denial is dishonest.

> > > You may disagree, that's okay.
> > 
> > Much more importantly, does Robin disagree?
> 
> But he didn't even read so far, he stopped after page 80
> or so. There are hardly any revelations up to this page.

(He also read the Epilogue.) I'm not sure what "revelations"
have to do with this. That's a red herring you've thrown in.

> > When he commented on the book, Robin was surprisingly
> > generous toward Howell; he didn't accuse him of lying.
> > He did say his own memory differed from Howell's in
> > several factual respects (he didn't say what they were).
> > 
> > But he also indicated he felt Howell's overall
> > presentation, albeit sincere, was significantly skewed.
> > I cited an amazing discussion between Ann and Robin in
> > which Robin gave his perspective on it all.
> > 
> > Of course, far be it from you to read that discussion
> > for balance.
> 
> We

[FairfieldLife] Re: More Cult News

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27"  wrote:
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27" wrote:
(snip)
> > > > I guess, luckily for everyone, Robin's deal blew up, or
> > > > perhaps more accurately, petered out.
> >
> > No, it was blown up by a sensational expose in the local
> > newspaper that was instigated by Ann in collaboration
> > with several others of Robin's followers.
> 
> It would be interesting, for me at least, to know just how
> this played out, because so often, exposes such as this have
> little effect.  I mean Andrew Cohen being one example.  He
> seems to be doing okay as far as I know.  You know, they
> chalk it up to disaffected students, who fell out of favor
> with the teacher.

Robin had to close up shop and left town (Vancouver) after
the expose came out.

Unlike Cohen, Robin had the courage and honesty to realize
he had gone off the rails--not immediately, but not long
thereafter. He then withdrew from all but one of his
former associates and friends and spent the next 25 years
working on himself with the assistance of this one friend,
an exceptionally painful process, according to him, that
he almost didn't survive.

(This is all based on what he's said here in his posts.)

He had come out of that isolation only a few months before
he showed up on FFL.

[FairfieldLife] Re: More Cult News

[navashok]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok  wrote:
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok  wrote:
> > > (snip>
> > > > I think you should read it, you can easily obtain a copy, I was 
> > > > trying to spare you the details, because I don't want to get
> > > > into another dog fight here.
> > > 
> > > You won't get into a "dog fight" by simply reporting what's
> > > in the book. You *are* likely to get into a dog fight if you
> > > insist what's in the book must be the objective truth and
> > > use it to attack Robin (again, in his absence, one of your
> > > particularly dishonorable tendencies).
> > 
> > I only hint what is in the book and report it. Where on
> > earth do I insist it is true?
> 
> In your post to Steve, you reported the "Caitlin" incident
> as if it were factual (although you backed off after I
> pointed out that we didn't have Robin's side of the story).

You have to first read what Steve wrote: Steve said: 'you do not hear 
complaints about financial, or sexual impropieties'

Factually this is wrong because we hear about complaints of sexual 
improprieties in the book the CULT. That there are complaints IS a fact. If 
these complains correspond to the actual truth is up to everybody's belief.


> > The book is there for all to read. It is your insinuations,
> > pure fantasy by you, that is dishonest.
> 
> Oh, which "insinuations" were those, navashok?
> 
> > It can't be a taboo talking about this,
> 
> Of course not. Nowhere did I suggest it was. I was
> addressing your silly contention that you'd get into
> a "dog fight" if you mentioned any details.
> 
> > and I am not bringing it up from my site,
> 
> ("Side," not "site.") Again, I didn't say you were.
> 
> > I am just reacting to what Steve said. Nor do I get after
> > you, as you continuously insinuate. If you are honest you
> > will have to acknowledge this.
> 
> If you are honest, you'll have to acknowledge that you
> have been doing precisely this since I called you on
> your psychiatric pseudo-diagnosis of Robin last December.

I haven't. Just now, it was you responding to what I reported and making a 
couple of unfounded insinuations, like my supposed antipathy toward Robin. 
Right now, and visible to everybody, it is YOU getting after me, just because I 
have dared to mention Robin. It is like you are ready to jump any time.

> (And I don't "insinuate" this, I say it right up front.)
> 
> > And yes, I have no reason to believe that Bill Howell is not
> > saying the truth.
> 
> You have no reason to believe he is telling the truth
> either, other than your antipathy toward Robin.

You have no reason to believe I have any antipathy toward Robin. I have no 
agenda with him, this is just your fantasy.
> 
> > You may disagree, that's okay.
> 
> Much more importantly, does Robin disagree?

But he didn't even read so far, he stopped after page 80 or so. There are 
hardly any revelations up to this page.

> When he commented on the book, Robin was surprisingly
> generous toward Howell; he didn't accuse him of lying.
> He did say his own memory differed from Howell's in
> several factual respects (he didn't say what they were).
> 
> But he also indicated he felt Howell's overall
> presentation, albeit sincere, was significantly skewed.
> I cited an amazing discussion between Ann and Robin in
> which Robin gave his perspective on it all.
> 
> Of course, far be it from you to read that discussion
> for balance.

Well, Robin didn't even read the book which is all about him. He didn't really 
care to know, how what he did was reflected in the lives of the people who 
spend decades with him, and how they had to struggle to come to terms with it. 
I wish him the best and peace nevertheless, but I will give him no special 
credit over what others report here. 

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[FairfieldLife] Re: More Cult News

[seventhray27]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27" wrote:
> > >
> > > I don't think you could not be struck by the similiarties
> > > of Robin's gig.
>
> Possibly more apparent than real.
>
> > > I guess, luckily for everyone, Robin's deal blew up, or
> > > perhaps more accurately, petered out.
>
> No, it was blown up by a sensational expose in the local
> newspaper that was instigated by Ann in collaboration
> with several others of Robin's followers.


It would be interesting, for me at least, to know just how this played
out, because so often, exposes such as this have little effect.  I mean
Andrew Cohen being one example.  He seems to be doing okay as far as I
know.  You know, they chalk it up to disaffected students, who fell out
of favor with the teacher.


> > > As I've noted before, you do not hear complaints about
> > > financial, or sexual impropieties with Robin.
> >
> > No? What then was the story with Caitlin and Matthew?
>
> One would think it would be a good idea to hear Robin's
> side of this story. He was there; Howell was not.
>
> > Robins advances to Caitlin were interpreted by him as her
> > evil power of seduction later, when she had refused to give
> > in, when at the same time he had asked her husband Matthew
> > to give up the marriage and become a priest, as he himself
> > wanted to become. (names in the book the CULT, pages 325.)
> >
> > > It was mostly the "control" stuff, and emotional abuse.
>
> Just a reminder that this started happening only in the
> final couple of years.
>
> For Robin's perspective on the ten years of this group and
> his role in it, you can't do better than to read the
> extraordinary dialogue between Robin and Ann that begins
> with Ann's comments on posts of Robin to Xeno and raunchy.
> To be fair to Robin, if one has read "Cult," one should
> read this dialogue as well. It's quite long, but not nearly
> as long as "Cult."
>
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[FairfieldLife] Re: More Cult News

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok  wrote:
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok  wrote:
> > (snip>
> > > I think you should read it, you can easily obtain a copy, I was 
> > > trying to spare you the details, because I don't want to get
> > > into another dog fight here.
> > 
> > You won't get into a "dog fight" by simply reporting what's
> > in the book. You *are* likely to get into a dog fight if you
> > insist what's in the book must be the objective truth and
> > use it to attack Robin (again, in his absence, one of your
> > particularly dishonorable tendencies).
> 
> I only hint what is in the book and report it. Where on
> earth do I insist it is true?

In your post to Steve, you reported the "Caitlin" incident
as if it were factual (although you backed off after I
pointed out that we didn't have Robin's side of the story).

> The book is there for all to read. It is your insinuations,
> pure fantasy by you, that is dishonest.

Oh, which "insinuations" were those, navashok?

> It can't be a taboo talking about this,

Of course not. Nowhere did I suggest it was. I was
addressing your silly contention that you'd get into
a "dog fight" if you mentioned any details.

> and I am not bringing it up from my site,

("Side," not "site.") Again, I didn't say you were.

> I am just reacting to what Steve said. Nor do I get after
> you, as you continuously insinuate. If you are honest you
> will have to acknowledge this.

If you are honest, you'll have to acknowledge that you
have been doing precisely this since I called you on
your psychiatric pseudo-diagnosis of Robin last December.

(And I don't "insinuate" this, I say it right up front.)

> And yes, I have no reason to believe that Bill Howell is not
> saying the truth.

You have no reason to believe he is telling the truth
either, other than your antipathy toward Robin.

> You may disagree, that's okay.

Much more importantly, does Robin disagree?

When he commented on the book, Robin was surprisingly
generous toward Howell; he didn't accuse him of lying.
He did say his own memory differed from Howell's in
several factual respects (he didn't say what they were).

But he also indicated he felt Howell's overall
presentation, albeit sincere, was significantly skewed.
I cited an amazing discussion between Ann and Robin in
which Robin gave his perspective on it all.

Of course, far be it from you to read that discussion
for balance.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: More Cult News

[navashok]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok  wrote:
> (snip>
> > I think you should read it, you can easily obtain a copy, I was 
> > trying to spare you the details, because I don't want to get
> > into another dog fight here.
> 
> You won't get into a "dog fight" by simply reporting what's
> in the book. You *are* likely to get into a dog fight if you
> insist what's in the book must be the objective truth and
> use it to attack Robin (again, in his absence, one of your
> particularly dishonorable tendencies).

I only hint what is in the book and report it. Where on earth do I insist it is 
true? The book is there for all to read. It is your insinuations, pure fantasy 
by you, that is dishonest. It can't be a taboo talking about this, and I am not 
bringing it up from my site, I am just reacting to what Steve said. Nor do I 
get after you, as you continuously insinuate. If you are honest you will have 
to acknowledge this. And yes, I have no reason to believe that Bill Howell is 
not saying the truth. You may disagree, that's okay.

[FairfieldLife] Re: More Cult News

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok  wrote:
(snip>
> I think you should read it, you can easily obtain a copy, I was 
> trying to spare you the details, because I don't want to get
> into another dog fight here.

You won't get into a "dog fight" by simply reporting what's
in the book. You *are* likely to get into a dog fight if you
insist what's in the book must be the objective truth and
use it to attack Robin (again, in his absence, one of your
particularly dishonorable tendencies).

[FairfieldLife] Re: More Cult News

[navashok]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok  wrote:
> >> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27"  wrote:
> 
> > > As I've noted before, you do not hear complaints about financial, or
> > > sexual impropieties with Robin.
> >
> > No? What then was the story with Caitlin and Matthew?  Robins advances
> to Caitlin were interpreted by him as her evil power of seduction later,
> when she had refused to give in, when at the same time he had asked her
> husband Matthew to give up the marriage and become a priest, as he
> himself wanted to become. (names in the book the CULT, pages 325.)
> 
> Sorry, didn't read the book.  I am going by what's been reported on this
> site both by detractors and supporters.  But even still, if this is your
> solitary example, it sounds  a little weak.  Usually the sexual
> improprieties tend to be a  little more rampant.
>
I think you should read it, you can easily obtain a copy, I was trying to spare 
you the details, because I don't want to get into another dog fight here.Surely 
the sexual component was not the dominant with Robin, but what he tried to do 
with Caitlin wasn't between two consenting adults, as far as the story goes. 
But I wasn't there, I have to depend on what is written in the book. Just if 
you say there is no accusation of sexual misbehavior, it is not true, there is.

[FairfieldLife] Re: More Cult News

[seventhray27]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok  wrote:
>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27"  wrote:

> > As I've noted before, you do not hear complaints about financial, or
> > sexual impropieties with Robin.
>
> No? What then was the story with Caitlin and Matthew?  Robins advances
to Caitlin were interpreted by him as her evil power of seduction later,
when she had refused to give in, when at the same time he had asked her
husband Matthew to give up the marriage and become a priest, as he
himself wanted to become. (names in the book the CULT, pages 325.)

Sorry, didn't read the book.  I am going by what's been reported on this
site both by detractors and supporters.  But even still, if this is your
solitary example, it sounds  a little weak.  Usually the sexual
improprieties tend to be a  little more rampant.

[FairfieldLife] Re: More Cult News

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok  wrote:
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27"  wrote:
(snip) 
> > As I've noted before, you do not hear complaints about
> > financial, or sexual impropieties with Robin. 
> 
> No? What then was the story with Caitlin and Matthew?  Robins
> advances to Caitlin were interpreted by him as her evil power
> of seduction later, when she had refused to give in, when at
> the same time he had asked her husband Matthew to give up the
> marriage and become a priest, as he himself wanted to become. 
> (names in the book the CULT, pages 325.)

Navashok, yesterday:

"It is just amazing what kind of drama is revealed in the
book, going much beyond what we knew here, but I won't get
into it, I don't want to stir up all the mud here once
again."

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/334705

[FairfieldLife] Re: More Cult News

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok  wrote:
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27"  wrote:
> > 
> > I don't think you could not be struck by the similiarties
> > of Robin's gig.

Possibly more apparent than real.

> > I guess, luckily for everyone, Robin's deal blew up, or
> > perhaps more accurately, petered out.

No, it was blown up by a sensational expose in the local
newspaper that was instigated by Ann in collaboration
with several others of Robin's followers.

> > As I've noted before, you do not hear complaints about
> > financial, or sexual impropieties with Robin. 
> 
> No? What then was the story with Caitlin and Matthew?

One would think it would be a good idea to hear Robin's
side of this story. He was there; Howell was not.

> Robins advances to Caitlin were interpreted by him as her
> evil power of seduction later, when she had refused to give
> in, when at the same time he had asked her husband Matthew
> to give up the marriage and become a priest, as he himself
> wanted to become. (names in the book the CULT, pages 325.)
>
> > It was mostly the "control" stuff, and emotional abuse.

Just a reminder that this started happening only in the
final couple of years.

For Robin's perspective on the ten years of this group and
his role in it, you can't do better than to read the
extraordinary dialogue between Robin and Ann that begins
with Ann's comments on posts of Robin to Xeno and raunchy.
To be fair to Robin, if one has read "Cult," one should
read this dialogue as well. It's quite long, but not nearly
as long as "Cult."

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/326991

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/327053

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/327243

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/327546

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/327566

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/327058

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/327442

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/327572

[FairfieldLife] Re: More Cult News

[navashok]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27"  wrote:
>
> 
> I don't think you could not be struck by the similiarties of Robin's
> gig.
> 
> I guess, luckily for everyone, Robin's deal blew up, or perhaps more
> accurately, petered out.
> 
> As I've noted before, you do not hear complaints about financial, or
> sexual impropieties with Robin. 

No? What then was the story with Caitlin and Matthew?  Robins advances to 
Caitlin were interpreted by him as her evil power of seduction later, when she 
had refused to give in, when at the same time he had asked her husband Matthew 
to give up the marriage and become a priest, as he himself wanted to become. 
(names in the book the CULT, pages 325.)

> It was mostly the "control" stuff, and
> emotional abuse.
> 
> On the other hand, with Andrew, there wasn't any mention of the teacher
> taking advantage of students sexually either.
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808" wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote:
> > >
> > > This time about Andrew Cohen:
> > >
> > > Making Sense of Post-Cult Trauma & the Relational System of
> > > the Traumatizing Narcissist
> > >
> > > My Thirteen Years at EnlightenNext
> > > by William Yenner
> > >
> > >
> http://americanguru.net/news-and-reviews/making-sense-of-post-cult-traum\
> a-the-relational-system-of-the-traumatizing-narcissist/
> > >
> >
> > Amazing story, I wonder just how many groups like this there are
> > at any one time? There ought to be a govt department keeping
> > tabs on them all. If you include all the christian fundy cults
> > there must be a significant shift of the nations money into the
> > pockets of maniacs.
> >
> > Read a good book called "Spying in guru land" by William Shaw,
> > he's a journalist who spent a year joining as many cults and
> > secret religious/spiritual groups as he could find. Fascinating
> > stuff, they range from multi-million pound organisations
> > formed by early defectors from the TMO to a plumber and his
> > girlfriend waffling shallow new age garbage in their council
> > flat in Peckham. All of them have devoted members who will
> > do pretty much anything to be near their teachers (and spend
> > any amount of money).
> >
> > The cunning thing is the way they hide behind a screen of
> > offering acceptable sounding relaxation techniques or just
> > philosophy discussion classes and then they slowly reel you
> > in to the belief system and the hidden Truth and before you
> > know it you're standing on a hill at midnight waiting for
> > UFO's, speaking in tongues with the master of the galaxy, or
> > even hopping around on bits of foam thinking you are creating
> > world peace! Nowt so queer as folk
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: More Cult News

[seventhray27]

I don't think you could not be struck by the similiarties of Robin's
gig.

I guess, luckily for everyone, Robin's deal blew up, or perhaps more
accurately, petered out.

As I've noted before, you do not hear complaints about financial, or
sexual impropieties with Robin.  It was mostly the "control" stuff, and
emotional abuse.

On the other hand, with Andrew, there wasn't any mention of the teacher
taking advantage of students sexually either.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808" wrote:
>
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote:
> >
> > This time about Andrew Cohen:
> >
> > Making Sense of Post-Cult Trauma & the Relational System of
> > the Traumatizing Narcissist
> >
> > My Thirteen Years at EnlightenNext
> > by William Yenner
> >
> >
http://americanguru.net/news-and-reviews/making-sense-of-post-cult-traum\
a-the-relational-system-of-the-traumatizing-narcissist/
> >
>
> Amazing story, I wonder just how many groups like this there are
> at any one time? There ought to be a govt department keeping
> tabs on them all. If you include all the christian fundy cults
> there must be a significant shift of the nations money into the
> pockets of maniacs.
>
> Read a good book called "Spying in guru land" by William Shaw,
> he's a journalist who spent a year joining as many cults and
> secret religious/spiritual groups as he could find. Fascinating
> stuff, they range from multi-million pound organisations
> formed by early defectors from the TMO to a plumber and his
> girlfriend waffling shallow new age garbage in their council
> flat in Peckham. All of them have devoted members who will
> do pretty much anything to be near their teachers (and spend
> any amount of money).
>
> The cunning thing is the way they hide behind a screen of
> offering acceptable sounding relaxation techniques or just
> philosophy discussion classes and then they slowly reel you
> in to the belief system and the hidden Truth and before you
> know it you're standing on a hill at midnight waiting for
> UFO's, speaking in tongues with the master of the galaxy, or
> even hopping around on bits of foam thinking you are creating
> world peace! Nowt so queer as folk
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: More Cult News

[Richard J. Williams]

> > More Cult News
> >
Bhairitu: 
> The CW's new series "The Cult" starts on the 19th.  
> They've been running a short 15 second or so promo 
> during commercial breaks...
> 
You guys seem to just love being in cults and reading 
about cults - obsessed with the comings-and-goings of 
the Maharishi. Go figure.

You've started your own Cult Awareness Network' (CAN). 

LoL!

"I'd be interested in hearing anything you might have 
heard in your studies about these guys and how they 
are regarded in comparison to other religions or 
belief systems of the time or in any time." - Unc

[FairfieldLife] Re: More Cult News

[doctordumbass]

Yeah, the trick is not throwing the baby out with the bathwater. There are tons 
of "teachers" out there, with the credence of infomercial hucksters. There is 
some value, IMO, in reflecting back on any spiritual context we are exposed to, 
and seeing it for what it is, or simply questioning everything that went on.

After a while, though, it is the individuals, you and me, each of us, 
undertaking the spiritual journey, who are the central characters in it. So, if 
the objective in questioning a spiritual organization is a means to move 
forward in the journey, by all means, go for it.

However, if the purpose of questioning a spiritual organization goes on long 
after one has left, perhaps the focus on such an organization, is no longer 
moving the person forward. Perhaps what was once a legitimate criticism of a 
past association, has now become a fixation, triggered emotionally - a screen 
preventing forward momentum on the spiritual journey.  

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> >
> > This time about Andrew Cohen:
> > 
> > Making Sense of Post-Cult Trauma & the Relational System of 
> > the Traumatizing Narcissist
> > 
> > My Thirteen Years at EnlightenNext
> > by William Yenner
> > 
> > http://americanguru.net/news-and-reviews/making-sense-of-post-cult-trauma-the-relational-system-of-the-traumatizing-narcissist/
> >
> 
> Amazing story, I wonder just how many groups like this there are
> at any one time? There ought to be a govt department keeping
> tabs on them all. If you include all the christian fundy cults
> there must be a significant shift of the nations money into the
> pockets of maniacs.
> 
> Read a good book called "Spying in guru land" by William Shaw,
> he's a journalist who spent a year joining as many cults and
> secret religious/spiritual groups as he could find. Fascinating
> stuff, they range from multi-million pound organisations
> formed by early defectors from the TMO to a plumber and his
> girlfriend waffling shallow new age garbage in their council
> flat in Peckham. All of them have devoted members who will
> do pretty much anything to be near their teachers (and spend
> any amount of money). 
> 
> The cunning thing is the way they hide behind a screen of 
> offering acceptable sounding relaxation techniques or just 
> philosophy discussion classes and then they slowly reel you 
> in to the belief system and the hidden Truth and before you
> know it you're standing on a hill at midnight waiting for
> UFO's, speaking in tongues with the master of the galaxy, or 
> even hopping around on bits of foam thinking you are creating
> world peace! Nowt so queer as folk
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: More Cult News

[Richard J. Williams]

turquoiseb
> More Cult News
>
"I studied with a guy who could turn huge rooms
in convention centers gold, to the point where
even the security guards saw it, but that never
made me think he was enlightened, only that he
could do cool things with light." - Unc

LoL!

> This time about Andrew Cohen:
> 
> Making Sense of Post-Cult Trauma & the Relational 
> System of > the Traumatizing Narcissist
> 
> My Thirteen Years at EnlightenNext
> by William Yenner
> 
> http://americanguru.net/news-and-reviews/making-sense-of-post-cult-trauma-the-relational-system-of-the-traumatizing-narcissist/
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: More Cult News

[salyavin808]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> This time about Andrew Cohen:
> 
> Making Sense of Post-Cult Trauma & the Relational System of 
> the Traumatizing Narcissist
> 
> My Thirteen Years at EnlightenNext
> by William Yenner
> 
> http://americanguru.net/news-and-reviews/making-sense-of-post-cult-trauma-the-relational-system-of-the-traumatizing-narcissist/
>

Amazing story, I wonder just how many groups like this there are
at any one time? There ought to be a govt department keeping
tabs on them all. If you include all the christian fundy cults
there must be a significant shift of the nations money into the
pockets of maniacs.

Read a good book called "Spying in guru land" by William Shaw,
he's a journalist who spent a year joining as many cults and
secret religious/spiritual groups as he could find. Fascinating
stuff, they range from multi-million pound organisations
formed by early defectors from the TMO to a plumber and his
girlfriend waffling shallow new age garbage in their council
flat in Peckham. All of them have devoted members who will
do pretty much anything to be near their teachers (and spend
any amount of money). 

The cunning thing is the way they hide behind a screen of 
offering acceptable sounding relaxation techniques or just 
philosophy discussion classes and then they slowly reel you 
in to the belief system and the hidden Truth and before you
know it you're standing on a hill at midnight waiting for
UFO's, speaking in tongues with the master of the galaxy, or 
even hopping around on bits of foam thinking you are creating
world peace! Nowt so queer as folk

[FairfieldLife] Re: More Christmas Stories

[obbajeeba]

Heh. Hit the nail on the head (no sexual pun intended, unless you want it to 
be.) haha

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula  wrote:
>
> No madam, it's quite healthy for males to have periodical sexual thoughts
> and fantasies but Barry shows abnormally unhealthy levels of these - his
> whole philosophy, shtick seems to be based on that - very stunted, twisted
> and sick almost - it doesn't look like he had any meaningful, healthy
> relationships with women, quite disrespectful - he makes me wanna throw up.
> 
> On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 11:43 AM, Emily Reyn wrote:
> 
> > **
> >
> >
> > "Typical" males - obsessed with their own organs, the functionality and
> > size of these organs, whether women are faking it or not, and how they can
> > get a virgin.  Wait, am I reading too little into this?
> >
> >   --
> > *From:* turquoiseb 
> > *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> > *Sent:* Wednesday, December 12, 2012 8:09 AM
> > *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] More Christmas Stories
> >
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > Wow that poster in NYC proved it really IS the Age of
> > > Enlightenment. Thanks for posting that.
> >
> > Thought you'd like it. :-)
> >
> >  >
> > > Speaking of that [the mythology of Christmas] I was
> > > considering how consensual the whole Holy Ghost hook-up
> > > was back in the day...I mean if a boss comes on to an
> > > employee we cry foul and bust him for coercion. I think
> > > the whole Mary story is ripe for a feminist retelling
> > > as a tragedy. What choice did she really have when the
> > > creepy uncle of the Triune God made a play for her? Did
> > > he during what must have been a fairly clumsy seduction
> > > remind her of what he did to the dinosaurs, or was it
> > > like the greatest Justin Bieber concert display but in
> > > the end he takes her back to the dressing room? Did he
> > > at least let her finish or was it just a typical wham
> > > bam thank you mam? Did she feel obliged to fake it to
> > > sooth his monstrous ego. "Oh baby, that was divine!"
> > >
> > > These are the questions that swirl around my head as I
> > > gaze on my nativity. Did Mary know what he son was
> > > headed for when she signed up her uterus for this
> > > project, or was it presented like a Hollywood script
> > > with a lot of pages at the end with TBD at the top? Did
> > > her youth and inexperience, her cultural deference to men
> > > limit her ability to ask how it all ends before she signed
> > > on? What if she had told him she had a headache that night,
> > > would he have been a gentleman?
> > >
> > > And having been around a few babies in my time, when Mary
> > > changed his diaper did even the Oxen rear up their heads
> > > and lumber out of the manger grunting "damn that holy
> > > guacamole is nasty!"
> >
> > While your version of the Christmas Story is far more
> > entertaining than most, I have to log in as saying that
> > it still sets off my inner Occam's Razor Detector a tad
> > too much. The reason is that it riffs off of, but still
> > relies on, Mary's version of the Immaculate Conception.
> > That is, that there actually *was* a human-ghost get-it-on.
> >
> > While there may be some anecdotal evidence of women who
> > said that they were raped by non-physical beings, there
> > is not a lot of evidence of anyone getting knocked up
> > as the result of such an astral assignation. So Occam's
> > Razor tells me that there must be a simpler -- and thus
> > more likely -- explanation for her pregnancy.
> >
> > My theory revolves around the somewhat curious fact that
> > Mary is continually referred to as a virgin. This despite
> > the fact that she's married to this older guy, Joseph.
> >
> > What's up with that?
> >
> > Are we to assume that Joseph didn't diddle Mary because
> > he was psychically seeing Jesus coming and didn't want to
> > mess with a good myth? Or is it more likely that Joseph,
> > as nice a guy as he may have been, was a little weak in
> > the willy. A bit of erectile dysfunction, if you get what
> > I mean. Voila. The problem of Mary's lingering virginity
> > is solved -- Joe just couldn't get it up.
> >
> > So what's a young married babe (and you've seen the paint-
> > ings of Mary...she *was* a babe) to do? She's stuck in what
> > was probably an arranged marriage with this old fuck, and
> > because he can't get it up she's deprived of even the
> > sensual benefits of marriage.
> >
> > At this point Lem, the dim-witted but handsome and hunky
> > stableboy next door starts looking better and better. So
> > one day, while carpenter Joseph is off cutting wood instead
> > of springing it, Mary sneaks next door and gets it on with
> > Lem. You may assume that this indiscretion repeated itself
> > or that it was a one-afternoon stand, depending on how
> > religious you are, but eventually it resulted in Mary
> > getting good and knocked up.
> >
> > So she's gotta tell Jo

[FairfieldLife] Re: More Christmas Stories

[doctordumbass]

"My theory revolves around the somewhat curious fact that
Mary is continually referred to as a virgin. This despite
the fact that she's married to this older guy, Joseph.

What's up with that?

Are we to assume that Joseph didn't diddle Mary because
he was psychically seeing Jesus coming and didn't want to
mess with a good myth? Or is it more likely that Joseph,
as nice a guy as he may have been, was a little weak in
the willy. A bit of erectile dysfunction, if you get what
I mean. Voila. The problem of Mary's lingering virginity
is solved -- Joe just couldn't get it up.

So what's a young married babe (and you've seen the paint-
ings of Mary...she *was* a babe) to do? She's stuck in what
was probably an arranged marriage with this old fuck, and
because he can't get it up she's deprived of even the
sensual benefits of marriage."

This is what I mean, Barry, you are full of your fantasies. You, a perennially 
single guy, mention marriage *four times* in the imaginings above. You, who 
cannot sustain lasting relationships with women, are commenting on...MARRIAGE?! 

This is just like your fantasies on TM, which you abstained from quite a while 
ago. 

My (unasked for) advice? Stick to what'cha know. Otherwise, you just come 
across as a phony.

Oh, wait. You already do. Anyway, clean up your act, and we'll all get along 
fine. 


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"  
> wrote:
> >
> > Wow that poster in NYC proved it really IS the Age of 
> > Enlightenment.  Thanks for posting that.
> 
> Thought you'd like it. :-)
> 
>  
> > Speaking of that [the mythology of Christmas] I was 
> > considering how consensual the whole Holy Ghost hook-up 
> > was back in the day...I mean if a boss comes on to an 
> > employee we cry foul and bust him for coercion. I think 
> > the whole Mary story is ripe for a feminist retelling 
> > as a tragedy. What choice did she really have when the 
> > creepy uncle of the Triune God made a play for her? Did 
> > he during what must have been a fairly clumsy seduction 
> > remind her of what he did to the dinosaurs, or was it 
> > like the greatest Justin Bieber concert display but in 
> > the end he takes her back to the dressing room? Did he 
> > at least let her finish or was it just a typical wham 
> > bam thank you mam?  Did she feel obliged to fake it to 
> > sooth his monstrous ego. "Oh baby, that was divine!"
> > 
> > These are the questions that swirl around my head as I 
> > gaze on my nativity.  Did Mary know what he son was 
> > headed for when she signed up her uterus for this 
> > project, or was it presented like a Hollywood script 
> > with a lot of pages at the end with TBD at the top?  Did 
> > her youth and inexperience, her cultural deference to men 
> > limit her ability to ask how it all ends before she signed 
> > on? What if she had told him she had a headache that night, 
> > would he have been a gentleman?
> > 
> > And having been around a few babies in my time, when Mary 
> > changed his diaper did even the Oxen rear up their heads 
> > and lumber out of the manger grunting "damn that holy 
> > guacamole is nasty!" 
> 
> While your version of the Christmas Story is far more
> entertaining than most, I have to log in as saying that
> it still sets off my inner Occam's Razor Detector a tad
> too much. The reason is that it riffs off of, but still
> relies on, Mary's version of the Immaculate Conception. 
> That is, that there actually *was* a human-ghost get-it-on. 
> 
> While there may be some anecdotal evidence of women who
> said that they were raped by non-physical beings, there
> is not a lot of evidence of anyone getting knocked up
> as the result of such an astral assignation. So Occam's 
> Razor tells me that there must be a simpler -- and thus 
> more likely -- explanation for her pregnancy. 
> 
> My theory revolves around the somewhat curious fact that
> Mary is continually referred to as a virgin. This despite
> the fact that she's married to this older guy, Joseph. 
> 
> What's up with that?
> 
> Are we to assume that Joseph didn't diddle Mary because
> he was psychically seeing Jesus coming and didn't want to
> mess with a good myth? Or is it more likely that Joseph,
> as nice a guy as he may have been, was a little weak in
> the willy. A bit of erectile dysfunction, if you get what
> I mean. Voila. The problem of Mary's lingering virginity 
> is solved -- Joe just couldn't get it up. 
> 
> So what's a young married babe (and you've seen the paint-
> ings of Mary...she *was* a babe) to do? She's stuck in what
> was probably an arranged marriage with this old fuck, and
> because he can't get it up she's deprived of even the
> sensual benefits of marriage. 
> 
> At this point Lem, the dim-witted but handsome and hunky
> stableboy next door starts looking better and better. So
> one day, while carpenter Joseph is off cutting wood instead
> of springing it, Mary sneaks next

[FairfieldLife] Re: More Christmas Stories

[turquoiseb]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"  
wrote:
>
> I think you were writing this as I was riffing on a 
> similar thing.  

That's just SO Woo Woo. Maybe what Jimbo meant when
he talked about things we "send each other privately"
was that we're in constant psychic communication. 

Either that or that our senses of humor are similarly
warped. :-)

> In Catholic theology the immaculate conception is not 
> about Mary being a virgin, but being uniquely born 
> without original sin and therefor able to bear Jesus.  
> So the jury is still out on Joseph's mojo.

"Catholic theology" strikes me as a little light in
the loafers there, dude. They're overlooking how easy
it is for a person to be born without original sin.

All they have to do is not be born Catholic, and thus
become prey to all that guilt indoctrination. :-)


> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > Wow that poster in NYC proved it really IS the Age of 
> > > Enlightenment.  Thanks for posting that.
> > 
> > Thought you'd like it. :-)
> > 
> >  > 
> > > Speaking of that [the mythology of Christmas] I was 
> > > considering how consensual the whole Holy Ghost hook-up 
> > > was back in the day...I mean if a boss comes on to an 
> > > employee we cry foul and bust him for coercion. I think 
> > > the whole Mary story is ripe for a feminist retelling 
> > > as a tragedy. What choice did she really have when the 
> > > creepy uncle of the Triune God made a play for her? Did 
> > > he during what must have been a fairly clumsy seduction 
> > > remind her of what he did to the dinosaurs, or was it 
> > > like the greatest Justin Bieber concert display but in 
> > > the end he takes her back to the dressing room? Did he 
> > > at least let her finish or was it just a typical wham 
> > > bam thank you mam?  Did she feel obliged to fake it to 
> > > sooth his monstrous ego. "Oh baby, that was divine!"
> > > 
> > > These are the questions that swirl around my head as I 
> > > gaze on my nativity.  Did Mary know what he son was 
> > > headed for when she signed up her uterus for this 
> > > project, or was it presented like a Hollywood script 
> > > with a lot of pages at the end with TBD at the top?  Did 
> > > her youth and inexperience, her cultural deference to men 
> > > limit her ability to ask how it all ends before she signed 
> > > on? What if she had told him she had a headache that night, 
> > > would he have been a gentleman?
> > > 
> > > And having been around a few babies in my time, when Mary 
> > > changed his diaper did even the Oxen rear up their heads 
> > > and lumber out of the manger grunting "damn that holy 
> > > guacamole is nasty!" 
> > 
> > While your version of the Christmas Story is far more
> > entertaining than most, I have to log in as saying that
> > it still sets off my inner Occam's Razor Detector a tad
> > too much. The reason is that it riffs off of, but still
> > relies on, Mary's version of the Immaculate Conception. 
> > That is, that there actually *was* a human-ghost get-it-on. 
> > 
> > While there may be some anecdotal evidence of women who
> > said that they were raped by non-physical beings, there
> > is not a lot of evidence of anyone getting knocked up
> > as the result of such an astral assignation. So Occam's 
> > Razor tells me that there must be a simpler -- and thus 
> > more likely -- explanation for her pregnancy. 
> > 
> > My theory revolves around the somewhat curious fact that
> > Mary is continually referred to as a virgin. This despite
> > the fact that she's married to this older guy, Joseph. 
> > 
> > What's up with that?
> > 
> > Are we to assume that Joseph didn't diddle Mary because
> > he was psychically seeing Jesus coming and didn't want to
> > mess with a good myth? Or is it more likely that Joseph,
> > as nice a guy as he may have been, was a little weak in
> > the willy. A bit of erectile dysfunction, if you get what
> > I mean. Voila. The problem of Mary's lingering virginity 
> > is solved -- Joe just couldn't get it up. 
> > 
> > So what's a young married babe (and you've seen the paint-
> > ings of Mary...she *was* a babe) to do? She's stuck in what
> > was probably an arranged marriage with this old fuck, and
> > because he can't get it up she's deprived of even the
> > sensual benefits of marriage. 
> > 
> > At this point Lem, the dim-witted but handsome and hunky
> > stableboy next door starts looking better and better. So
> > one day, while carpenter Joseph is off cutting wood instead
> > of springing it, Mary sneaks next door and gets it on with
> > Lem. You may assume that this indiscretion repeated itself
> > or that it was a one-afternoon stand, depending on how 
> > religious you are, but eventually it resulted in Mary 
> > getting good and knocked up. 
> > 
> > So she's gotta tell Joe. What to do, what to do? Should
> > Mary tell him the truth, and ma

[FairfieldLife] Re: More Christmas Stories

[curtisdeltablues]

I think you were writing this as I was riffing on a similar thing.  In Catholic 
theology the immaculate conception is not about Mary being a virgin, but being 
uniquely born without original sin and therefor able to bear Jesus.  So the 
jury is still out on Joseph's mojo.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"  
> wrote:
> >
> > Wow that poster in NYC proved it really IS the Age of 
> > Enlightenment.  Thanks for posting that.
> 
> Thought you'd like it. :-)
> 
>  
> > Speaking of that [the mythology of Christmas] I was 
> > considering how consensual the whole Holy Ghost hook-up 
> > was back in the day...I mean if a boss comes on to an 
> > employee we cry foul and bust him for coercion. I think 
> > the whole Mary story is ripe for a feminist retelling 
> > as a tragedy. What choice did she really have when the 
> > creepy uncle of the Triune God made a play for her? Did 
> > he during what must have been a fairly clumsy seduction 
> > remind her of what he did to the dinosaurs, or was it 
> > like the greatest Justin Bieber concert display but in 
> > the end he takes her back to the dressing room? Did he 
> > at least let her finish or was it just a typical wham 
> > bam thank you mam?  Did she feel obliged to fake it to 
> > sooth his monstrous ego. "Oh baby, that was divine!"
> > 
> > These are the questions that swirl around my head as I 
> > gaze on my nativity.  Did Mary know what he son was 
> > headed for when she signed up her uterus for this 
> > project, or was it presented like a Hollywood script 
> > with a lot of pages at the end with TBD at the top?  Did 
> > her youth and inexperience, her cultural deference to men 
> > limit her ability to ask how it all ends before she signed 
> > on? What if she had told him she had a headache that night, 
> > would he have been a gentleman?
> > 
> > And having been around a few babies in my time, when Mary 
> > changed his diaper did even the Oxen rear up their heads 
> > and lumber out of the manger grunting "damn that holy 
> > guacamole is nasty!" 
> 
> While your version of the Christmas Story is far more
> entertaining than most, I have to log in as saying that
> it still sets off my inner Occam's Razor Detector a tad
> too much. The reason is that it riffs off of, but still
> relies on, Mary's version of the Immaculate Conception. 
> That is, that there actually *was* a human-ghost get-it-on. 
> 
> While there may be some anecdotal evidence of women who
> said that they were raped by non-physical beings, there
> is not a lot of evidence of anyone getting knocked up
> as the result of such an astral assignation. So Occam's 
> Razor tells me that there must be a simpler -- and thus 
> more likely -- explanation for her pregnancy. 
> 
> My theory revolves around the somewhat curious fact that
> Mary is continually referred to as a virgin. This despite
> the fact that she's married to this older guy, Joseph. 
> 
> What's up with that?
> 
> Are we to assume that Joseph didn't diddle Mary because
> he was psychically seeing Jesus coming and didn't want to
> mess with a good myth? Or is it more likely that Joseph,
> as nice a guy as he may have been, was a little weak in
> the willy. A bit of erectile dysfunction, if you get what
> I mean. Voila. The problem of Mary's lingering virginity 
> is solved -- Joe just couldn't get it up. 
> 
> So what's a young married babe (and you've seen the paint-
> ings of Mary...she *was* a babe) to do? She's stuck in what
> was probably an arranged marriage with this old fuck, and
> because he can't get it up she's deprived of even the
> sensual benefits of marriage. 
> 
> At this point Lem, the dim-witted but handsome and hunky
> stableboy next door starts looking better and better. So
> one day, while carpenter Joseph is off cutting wood instead
> of springing it, Mary sneaks next door and gets it on with
> Lem. You may assume that this indiscretion repeated itself
> or that it was a one-afternoon stand, depending on how 
> religious you are, but eventually it resulted in Mary 
> getting good and knocked up. 
> 
> So she's gotta tell Joe. What to do, what to do? Should
> Mary tell him the truth, and make him feel even shittier
> about his wilted willy than he already does? So she thinks,
> "Maybe I'll spare him all that pain and just make up some
> outlandish story about getting knocked up by God." Voila,
> Mary's version of the Immaculate Conception. 
> 
> I like this theory because it kinda leaves Joseph a nice,
> if cuckolded, guy and Mary is easy to develop compassion
> for because she was trying to spare his feelings. Plus, it
> suits the Occam's Razor "the simplest explanation is the
> most likely explanation" criterion. 
> 
> The only problem with this theory is that now we've got
> to develop a whole mythology around Lem. It was *his* 
> genes that went on to become Jesus and change the world,
> after all. Isn't it time Lem h

[FairfieldLife] Re: More Opera 12.04.12 to feste and emptyB

[awoelflebater]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> Barry is being compelled by some strange self-
> destructive impulse to behave like a brainless
> buffoon.

Barry is compelled by his frustration with you, your mind, the very person you 
are Judy. You drive him crazy. He just can't help himself. He HAS to read your 
posts, he HAS to stand ready to jump in when he feels there is an opening to 
undermine, call you out, find the achilles heel where there may or may not be 
one. He seems, frankly, obsessed with you but there is even more than that. He 
seems to relish the prospect of cutting the legs out from under those who are 
smarter, have a bigger vision or are just plain nicer than he is. In some 
strange way you are his muse, or at least his motivation to get out of bed in 
the morning. He has a lot to thank you for.
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> >
> > Just for fun, given Judy's claim of being offended by
> > anything less than total historical accuracy...  :-)
> 
> I never made any such claim.
> 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > And with regard to the "Mad Scene" woman emptybill was talking
> > > about, she murders her bridegroom because she's been forced by
> > > her brother to marry him rather than the man she loves, and
> > > she has gone insane with grief.
> > >
> > > Real tricky on the woman's part, huh?
> > >
> > > There's more: Her brother has arranged the marriage for
> > > political reasons, to secure his own power; and the two
> > > thwarted lovers have been led to believe each has betrayed the
> > > other. When the woman's lover learns that she has died, he
> > > kills himself.
> > >
> > > The opera is based on real events that took place in 17th
> > > century Scotland.
> > 
> > First, this is inaccurate. The opera is based on Sir Walter
> > Scott's novel "The Bride of Lammermoor." Scott at one
> > point *claimed* that it was based on historical fact, but
> > that seems not to have been true. From Wikipedia:
> 
> Actually, if you check out Wikipedia on "The Bride of
> Lammermoor," you'll find that the novel, albeit
> fictional, is closely modeled on the historical events.
> The only area of real uncertainty historically is
> exactly what happened in the bridal chamber on the
> couple's wedding night:
> 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bride_of_Lammermoor
> 
> Barry didn't give a link for what he quoted. That's
> because he had to go rather far afield to find anything
> on Wikipedia that called in question any of the historical
> basis for the opera:
> 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viscount_Stair
> 
> 
> > Second, now that Judy's description of the opera as
> > being based on "real events" has been shown to be...
> > uh...less than factual,
> 
> The opera "Lucia di Lammermoor" certainly takes some
> liberties with the plot of the novel, but given that
> the novel is fairly accurate historically, it's entirely
> reasonable to say the opera is based on real events.
> ("Based on" does not imply 100 percent historical
> accuracy, but Barry knew that.)
> 
> The point in context, of course, is the subjugation and
> oppression of women, specifically here with regard to
> arranged marriages.
> 
> > can we expect her anytime soon
> > to rag on it? That's what she did for the movie she never
> > bothered to see when she found out that it was less than
> > 100% historically accurate, after all.  :-)
> > 
> > Will she post a nasty putdown of the opera, claiming
> > that either Sir Walter Scott or Gaetano Donizetti were
> > "Christian bigots" trying to misrepresent true history?
> 
> Christianity came into this where, exactly?
> 
> (Anybody who doesn't understand why Barry's contorted
> effort here is laughable--even if he were correct about
> the historical issues, which he isn't--let me know, and
> I'll be happy to explain.)
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: More Opera 12.04.12

[Ravi Chivukula]

On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 6:21 AM, emptybill  wrote:

> Raving Yogi
>
> Why bother indeed! You're such a drama queen.
>
> You are already Lucia - only without the knife.
>
> Just remember ...  no matter how much you claim to love your Diva (cognate
> with deva) she'll fry you with onions for  sheer entertainment if you
> become too much of a lunatickle.
>

Devi loves being lunatickled empty baby and no one can lunatickle her like
me. I'm her real source of entertainment.


>
>
>
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula 
> wrote:
> >
> > "Anyone actually watch it?"
> >
> > Stop begging empty baby - this habit of yours is highly irritating - OK?
> I
> > am not going to watch it.
> >
> > On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 9:46 PM, emptybill emptybill@... wrote:
> >
> > > **
>
> > >
> > >
> > > Wonderful performances everyone.
> > >
> > > What brilliant addendums to the vocal
> > > ornamentations of Donizetti's Lucia.
> > >
> > > You all are of the highest literary amplitude
> > > by recreating the mad scene right here on FFL.
> > >
> > > And by the way. Remember that video the Judy
> > > was praising?
> > >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: More Opera 12.04.12 to feste and emptyB

[authfriend]

Barry is being compelled by some strange self-
destructive impulse to behave like a brainless
buffoon.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> Just for fun, given Judy's claim of being offended by
> anything less than total historical accuracy...  :-)

I never made any such claim.

> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" 
> wrote:
> >
> > And with regard to the "Mad Scene" woman emptybill was talking
> > about, she murders her bridegroom because she's been forced by
> > her brother to marry him rather than the man she loves, and
> > she has gone insane with grief.
> >
> > Real tricky on the woman's part, huh?
> >
> > There's more: Her brother has arranged the marriage for
> > political reasons, to secure his own power; and the two
> > thwarted lovers have been led to believe each has betrayed the
> > other. When the woman's lover learns that she has died, he
> > kills himself.
> >
> > The opera is based on real events that took place in 17th
> > century Scotland.
> 
> First, this is inaccurate. The opera is based on Sir Walter
> Scott's novel "The Bride of Lammermoor." Scott at one
> point *claimed* that it was based on historical fact, but
> that seems not to have been true. From Wikipedia:

Actually, if you check out Wikipedia on "The Bride of
Lammermoor," you'll find that the novel, albeit
fictional, is closely modeled on the historical events.
The only area of real uncertainty historically is
exactly what happened in the bridal chamber on the
couple's wedding night:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bride_of_Lammermoor

Barry didn't give a link for what he quoted. That's
because he had to go rather far afield to find anything
on Wikipedia that called in question any of the historical
basis for the opera:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viscount_Stair


> Second, now that Judy's description of the opera as
> being based on "real events" has been shown to be...
> uh...less than factual,

The opera "Lucia di Lammermoor" certainly takes some
liberties with the plot of the novel, but given that
the novel is fairly accurate historically, it's entirely
reasonable to say the opera is based on real events.
("Based on" does not imply 100 percent historical
accuracy, but Barry knew that.)

The point in context, of course, is the subjugation and
oppression of women, specifically here with regard to
arranged marriages.

> can we expect her anytime soon
> to rag on it? That's what she did for the movie she never
> bothered to see when she found out that it was less than
> 100% historically accurate, after all.  :-)
> 
> Will she post a nasty putdown of the opera, claiming
> that either Sir Walter Scott or Gaetano Donizetti were
> "Christian bigots" trying to misrepresent true history?

Christianity came into this where, exactly?

(Anybody who doesn't understand why Barry's contorted
effort here is laughable--even if he were correct about
the historical issues, which he isn't--let me know, and
I'll be happy to explain.)

[FairfieldLife] Re: More Opera 12.04.12 to feste and emptyB

[turquoiseb]

Just for fun, given Judy's claim of being offended by
anything less than total historical accuracy...  :-)

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" 
wrote:
>
> And with regard to the "Mad Scene" woman emptybill was talking
> about, she murders her bridegroom because she's been forced by
> her brother to marry him rather than the man she loves, and
> she has gone insane with grief.
>
> Real tricky on the woman's part, huh?
>
> There's more: Her brother has arranged the marriage for
> political reasons, to secure his own power; and the two
> thwarted lovers have been led to believe each has betrayed the
> other. When the woman's lover learns that she has died, he
> kills himself.
>
> The opera is based on real events that took place in 17th
> century Scotland.

First, this is inaccurate. The opera is based on Sir Walter
Scott's novel "The Bride of Lammermoor." Scott at one
point *claimed* that it was based on historical fact, but
that seems not to have been true. From Wikipedia:

The next five years of Stair's [Sir James Dalrymple's] life were
comparatively uneventful, but  in 1669 a family calamity, the
exact facts of which will probably never  be ascertained,
overtook him. His daughter Janet, who had been betrothed  to
Lord Rutherfurd, was married to Dunbar of Baldoon, and some
tragic  incident occurred on the wedding night, from the effects
of which she  never recovered. As the traditions vary on the central
fact, whether it  was the bride who stabbed her husband, or the
husband who stabbed the  bride, no credence can be given to the
mass of superstitions and  spiteful slander
  which surrounded it,
principally leveled at Lady Stair. Sir Walter Scott
  took the plot
of his Bride of Lammermoor
  from this incident,
but he
disclaimed any intention of making Lord Stair the basis for
Sir William Ashton.

Second, now that Judy's description of the opera as
being based on "real events" has been shown to be...
uh...less than factual, can we expect her anytime soon
to rag on it? That's what she did for the movie she never
bothered to see when she found out that it was less than
100% historically accurate, after all.  :-)

Will she post a nasty putdown of the opera, claiming
that either Sir Walter Scott or Gaetano Donizetti were
"Christian bigots" trying to misrepresent true history?

Only time will tell...

:-)   :-)   :-)

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: More Opera 12.04.12

[Ravi Chivukula]

"Anyone actually watch it?"

Stop begging empty baby - this habit of yours is highly irritating - OK? I
am not going to watch it.

On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 9:46 PM, emptybill  wrote:

> **
>
>
> Wonderful performances everyone.
>
> What brilliant addendums to the vocal
> ornamentations of Donizetti's Lucia.
>
> You all are of the highest literary amplitude
> by recreating the mad scene right here on FFL.
>
> And by the way. Remember that video the Judy
> was praising?
>
> Anyone actually watch it?
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "emptybill"  wrote:
> >
> > Wonderful performances.
> >
> > That mad scene should be a snap-shot for men
> > thinking these divas would be simple to deal with
> > by a fool - a snap-shot of their own bloody corpse
> > that is.
> >
> > Feste, be warned. They wouldn't just cut your
> > heart out but also put a grenade under your
> > body to greet anyone rolling you over.
> >
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" authfriend@
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Three Netrebko videos...
> > >
> > > "Quando m'en vo" ("Musetta's Waltz") from Puccini's La Boheme
> > > (Not such a great aria for a concert performance; you really
> > > need the staging for it to come across, but she sings it
> > > nicely.)
> > >
> > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWnWivspwRE
> > >
> > >
> > > "Sempre libera" from Verdi's Traviata
> > > (From the new Met modern-dress production--a rather outre
> > interpretation of Violetta, but it shows off her acting
> > > ability.)
> > >
> > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFJJ1zFBWgY&feature=endscreen&NR=1
> > >
> > >
> > > "Mad Scene" from Donizetti's Lucia di Lammermoor
> > > (Lucia has just killed her bridegroom. A conventional
> > > production, but the staging of this scene is excellent,
> > > and her performance is blood-chilling. It's a long
> > > scene, over 10 minutes.)
> > >
> > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZX2r8ps9pUg
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "emptybill" emptybill@ wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hah! Yeah … she's like napalm.
> > > >
> > > > But image living with someone with such talent and charisma.
> > > >
> > > > Might easily end up like the performance by Dmitri Hvorostovsky
> and
> > > > Renee Fleming in post #328213.
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37"  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hotter than hot! There definitely was some cleavage, btw. You
> must
> > > > have nodded off before they got it, you poor old bastard.
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "emptybill" emptybill@
> > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Oh yeah?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Here is an Anna Netrebko interview where she shows no cleavage
> > but
> > > > ...
> > > > > > it also is "so hot".
> > > > > >
> > > > > > No wonder that video with Dmitri stopped before their actual
> > kiss.
> > > > But
> > > > > > it was on the other video that I saw ... And the audience
> loved
> > it.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=UgpVoMPGbUA
> > > > > >
> > 
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37" 
> > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Nice, but not enough cleavage, which is an essential part of
> a
> > > > female
> > > > > > opera singer’s repertoire, don’t you think? In
> > this
> > > > > > regard, the divine Cecilia does not disappoint in the
> following
> > > > clip,
> > > > > > especially given the tantalizing possibility of a wardrobe
> > > > malfunction,
> > > > > > which unfortunately not quite happen (but watch the shoulder
> > strap):
> > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DaKX21earkk (Oh, yes, the
> aria
> > is
> > > > good
> > > > > > too.)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > My favorite Cecilia is this:
> > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2IeGgk_06I
> > > > > > > It’s an aria from a Vivaldi opera and she uses it as
> an
> > > > encore.
> > > > > > It’s breathtaking, sensational. I defy anyone to keep
> > still
> > > > while
> > > > > > they watch it. It’s Baroque rock. And just look at her
> > face
> > > > when
> > > > > > she is finished.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Cecilia is the sort of voluptuous Italian woman that men
> would
> > > > love to
> > > > > > have in the kitchen and bedroom. She might be a bit of a
> handful
> > > > though.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Elina G made a great Sesto in the live Met telecast of
> > Clemenza di
> > > > > > Tito at the weekend. She is so hot.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "emptybill" emptybill@
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Two of the best mezzo-sopranos, Elina Garanca and Anna
> > Netrebko,
> > > > > > sing
> > > > > > > > the famous Flower duet (Lakm� Delibes). Doesn't hurt
> > that
> > > > > > > > they're both as b

[FairfieldLife] Re: More Opera 12.04.12

[emptybill]

Raving Yogi

Why bother indeed! You're such a drama queen.


You are already Lucia - only without the knife.

Just remember ...  no matter how much you claim to love your Diva
(cognate with deva) she'll fry you with onions for  sheer entertainment
if you become too much of a lunatickle.





--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula
 wrote:
>
> "Anyone actually watch it?"
>
> Stop begging empty baby - this habit of yours is highly irritating -
OK? I
> am not going to watch it.
>
> On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 9:46 PM, emptybill emptybill@... wrote:
>
> > **
> >
> >
> > Wonderful performances everyone.
> >
> > What brilliant addendums to the vocal
> > ornamentations of Donizetti's Lucia.
> >
> > You all are of the highest literary amplitude
> > by recreating the mad scene right here on FFL.
> >
> > And by the way. Remember that video the Judy
> > was praising?
> >
> > Anyone actually watch it?
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "emptybill" emptybill@ wrote:
> > >
> > > Wonderful performances.
> > >
> > > That mad scene should be a snap-shot for men
> > > thinking these divas would be simple to deal with
> > > by a fool - a snap-shot of their own bloody corpse
> > > that is.
> > >
> > > Feste, be warned. They wouldn't just cut your
> > > heart out but also put a grenade under your
> > > body to greet anyone rolling you over.
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" authfriend@
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Three Netrebko videos...
> > > >
> > > > "Quando m'en vo" ("Musetta's Waltz") from Puccini's La Boheme
> > > > (Not such a great aria for a concert performance; you really
> > > > need the staging for it to come across, but she sings it
> > > > nicely.)
> > > >
> > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWnWivspwRE
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Sempre libera" from Verdi's Traviata
> > > > (From the new Met modern-dress production--a rather outre
> > > interpretation of Violetta, but it shows off her acting
> > > > ability.)
> > > >
> > > >
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFJJ1zFBWgY&feature=endscreen&NR=1
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Mad Scene" from Donizetti's Lucia di Lammermoor
> > > > (Lucia has just killed her bridegroom. A conventional
> > > > production, but the staging of this scene is excellent,
> > > > and her performance is blood-chilling. It's a long
> > > > scene, over 10 minutes.)
> > > >
> > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZX2r8ps9pUg
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "emptybill" emptybill@
wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Hah! Yeah … she's like napalm.
> > > > >
> > > > > But image living with someone with such talent and charisma.
> > > > >
> > > > > Might easily end up like the performance by Dmitri
Hvorostovsky
> > and
> > > > > Renee Fleming in post #328213.
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37" 
wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hotter than hot! There definitely was some cleavage, btw.
You
> > must
> > > > > have nodded off before they got it, you poor old bastard.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "emptybill" emptybill@
> > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Oh yeah?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Here is an Anna Netrebko interview where she shows no
cleavage
> > > but
> > > > > ...
> > > > > > > it also is "so hot".
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > No wonder that video with Dmitri stopped before their
actual
> > > kiss.
> > > > > But
> > > > > > > it was on the other video that I saw ... And the audience
> > loved
> > > it.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=UgpVoMPGbUA
> > > > > > >
> > >

> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37" 
> > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Nice, but not enough cleavage, which is an essential
part of
> > a
> > > > > female
> > > > > > > opera singer’s repertoire, don’t
you think? In
> > > this
> > > > > > > regard, the divine Cecilia does not disappoint in the
> > following
> > > > > clip,
> > > > > > > especially given the tantalizing possibility of a wardrobe
> > > > > malfunction,
> > > > > > > which unfortunately not quite happen (but watch the
shoulder
> > > strap):
> > > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DaKX21earkk (Oh, yes, the
> > aria
> > > is
> > > > > good
> > > > > > > too.)
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > My favorite Cecilia is this:
> > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2IeGgk_06I
> > > > > > > > It’s an aria from a Vivaldi opera and she
uses it as
> > an
> > > > > encore.
> > > > > > > It’s breathtaking, sensational. I defy anyone
to keep
> > > still
> > > > > while
> > > > > > > they watch it. It’s Baroque rock. And just
look at her
> > > face
> > > > > when
> > > > > > > she is finished.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Cecilia is the sor

[FairfieldLife] Re: More Opera 12.04.12

[emptybill]

Wonderful performances everyone.

What brilliant addendums to the vocal
ornamentations of Donizetti's Lucia.

You all are of the highest literary amplitude
by recreating the mad scene right here on FFL.

And by the way. Remember that video the Judy
was praising?

Anyone actually watch it?


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "emptybill"  wrote:
>
> Wonderful performances.
>
> That mad scene should be a snap-shot for men
> thinking these divas would be simple to deal with
> by a fool - a snap-shot of their own bloody corpse
> that is.
>
> Feste, be warned. They wouldn't just cut your
> heart out but also put a grenade under your
> body to greet anyone rolling you over.
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" authfriend@
> wrote:
> >
> > Three Netrebko videos...
> >
> > "Quando m'en vo" ("Musetta's Waltz") from Puccini's La Boheme
> > (Not such a great aria for a concert performance; you really
> > need the staging for it to come across, but she sings it
> > nicely.)
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWnWivspwRE
> >
> >
> > "Sempre libera" from Verdi's Traviata
> > (From the new Met modern-dress production--a rather outre
> interpretation of Violetta, but it shows off her acting
> > ability.)
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFJJ1zFBWgY&feature=endscreen&NR=1
> >
> >
> > "Mad Scene" from Donizetti's Lucia di Lammermoor
> > (Lucia has just killed her bridegroom. A conventional
> > production, but the staging of this scene is excellent,
> > and her performance is blood-chilling. It's a long
> > scene, over 10 minutes.)
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZX2r8ps9pUg
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "emptybill" emptybill@ wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Hah! Yeah … she's like napalm.
> > >
> > > But image living with someone with such talent and charisma.
> > >
> > > Might easily end up like the performance by Dmitri Hvorostovsky
and
> > > Renee Fleming in post #328213.
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hotter than hot! There definitely was some cleavage, btw. You
must
> > > have nodded off before they got it, you poor old bastard.
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "emptybill" emptybill@
> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Oh yeah?
> > > > >
> > > > > Here is an Anna Netrebko interview where she shows no cleavage
> but
> > > ...
> > > > > it also is "so hot".
> > > > >
> > > > > No wonder that video with Dmitri stopped before their actual
> kiss.
> > > But
> > > > > it was on the other video that I saw ... And the audience
loved
> it.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=UgpVoMPGbUA
> > > > >
> 
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37" 
> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Nice, but not enough cleavage, which is an essential part of
a
> > > female
> > > > > opera singer’s repertoire, don’t you think? In
> this
> > > > > regard, the divine Cecilia does not disappoint in the
following
> > > clip,
> > > > > especially given the tantalizing possibility of a wardrobe
> > > malfunction,
> > > > > which unfortunately not quite happen (but watch the shoulder
> strap):
> > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DaKX21earkk (Oh, yes, the
aria
> is
> > > good
> > > > > too.)
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > My favorite Cecilia is this:
> > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2IeGgk_06I
> > > > > > It’s an aria from a Vivaldi opera and she uses it as
an
> > > encore.
> > > > > It’s breathtaking, sensational. I defy anyone to keep
> still
> > > while
> > > > > they watch it. It’s Baroque rock.  And just look at her
> face
> > > when
> > > > > she is finished.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Cecilia is the sort of voluptuous Italian woman that men
would
> > > love to
> > > > > have in the kitchen and bedroom. She might be a bit of a
handful
> > > though.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Elina G made a great Sesto in the live Met telecast of
> Clemenza di
> > > > > Tito at the weekend. She is so hot.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "emptybill" emptybill@
> > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Two of the best mezzo-sopranos, Elina Garanca and Anna
> Netrebko,
> > > > > sing
> > > > > > > the famous Flower duet (Lakm� Delibes). Doesn't hurt
> that
> > > > > > > they're both as beautiful as the blossoms to which they
give
> > > song.
> > > > > > > No wonder men are so easily spellbound.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vf42IP__ipw
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Also,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Dmitri Hvorostovsky and Renee Fleming in a fabulous
> performance
> > > in
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > palace at St. Petersburg
> > > > > > > (a duet from Verdi's Il Travatore).
> > > > > 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: More Opera 12.04.12 to Judy and Ann

[Ravi Chivukula]

All of this post is the usual feste retarded crap.

I am Ravi Chivukula (holding my clearly reddish, swollen nose hard) and I
approve this message.


On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 1:01 PM, feste37  wrote:

> **
>
>
> Most of this post is the usual authfriend crap, but I like the "darling"
> bit. I don't get called that nearly often enough, so I will take whatever I
> can get and hold my nose regarding the source.
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37"  wrote:
> > >
> > > We need to compile an authfriend lexicon that will help others
> > > to understand her. In this case "making a fool of yourself"
> > > means "writing something I don't agree with."
> >
> > And now you just made a fool of yourself again, feste.
> > Go back and look at my original post
> >
> > > In doing so we need to acknowledge the fine work already done
> > > in this field by Turquoise B, a brilliant, pioneering scholar
> > > of "authfriend speak," which we might define as a language
> > > developed entirely to browbeat and humiliate other people.
> >
> > What is this compulsion to make yourself look stupid
> > lately, feste? As if I could ever come anywhere near
> > the ability of Barryspeak to browbeat and humiliate.
> >
> > You are way out of your league here, feste darling.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" 
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37"  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Share, darling, you did not make a fool of yourself. That was
> > > > > just authfriend's malicious spin.
> > > >
> > > > Yeah, sorry, but she did make a fool of herself, in two ways.
> > > > First, she didn't make any effort to find out what the video
> > > > was that emptybill was talking about and just jumped in with
> > > > something wildly inappropriate to the context.
> > > >
> > > > And second, what she was babbling about was, on its own
> > > > terms (as Ann explained), stupidly chauvinistic, a dopey
> > > > notion she picked up without asking herself if it made any
> > > > sense.
> > > >
> > > > This wasn't the most egregious instance by any means of
> > > > her making a fool of herself, but it *was* typical. If you
> > > > really want the best for Share, feste, you need to let her
> > > > take her lumps instead of trying to protect her from
> > > > herself and from reality. You aren't even showing her any
> > > > *respect* when you do the latter.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long 
> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Yep, obviously I'm still learning how to communicate online in a
> noninflammatory way.  Judy, I'm sure I've made a fool of myself prior to
> today and am equally sure that I will do so again in the future.  Ann,
> neither Edwin nor I were criticizing dirty fighting.  Which I thought,
> albeit wrongly, that the explanation explained.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > From: awoelflebater 
> > > > > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > Sent: Thursday, December 6, 2012 8:40 AM
> > > > > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: More Opera 12.04.12 to feste and
> emptyB
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Â
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long 
> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > feste, we adore you for adoring us and emptyB, we adore you
> for having a healthy respect for our trickiness which of course we had to
> develop to survive living with those big strong hairy cavemen prone to
> slinging us over their shoulder.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > In his workshop music man Edwin Coppard from Victoria teaches
> that since cave days, women fight dirty.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > And do you believe that/him? Sounds

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: More Opera 12.04.12 to Judy and Ann

[Ravi Chivukula]

Most of this post is usual retarded feste stuff.

On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 1:01 PM, feste37  wrote:

> **
>
>
> Most of this post is the usual authfriend crap, but I like the "darling"
> bit. I don't get called that nearly often enough, so I will take whatever I
> can get and hold my nose regarding the source.
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37"  wrote:
> > >
> > > We need to compile an authfriend lexicon that will help others
> > > to understand her. In this case "making a fool of yourself"
> > > means "writing something I don't agree with."
> >
> > And now you just made a fool of yourself again, feste.
> > Go back and look at my original post
> >
> > > In doing so we need to acknowledge the fine work already done
> > > in this field by Turquoise B, a brilliant, pioneering scholar
> > > of "authfriend speak," which we might define as a language
> > > developed entirely to browbeat and humiliate other people.
> >
> > What is this compulsion to make yourself look stupid
> > lately, feste? As if I could ever come anywhere near
> > the ability of Barryspeak to browbeat and humiliate.
> >
> > You are way out of your league here, feste darling.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" 
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37"  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Share, darling, you did not make a fool of yourself. That was
> > > > > just authfriend's malicious spin.
> > > >
> > > > Yeah, sorry, but she did make a fool of herself, in two ways.
> > > > First, she didn't make any effort to find out what the video
> > > > was that emptybill was talking about and just jumped in with
> > > > something wildly inappropriate to the context.
> > > >
> > > > And second, what she was babbling about was, on its own
> > > > terms (as Ann explained), stupidly chauvinistic, a dopey
> > > > notion she picked up without asking herself if it made any
> > > > sense.
> > > >
> > > > This wasn't the most egregious instance by any means of
> > > > her making a fool of herself, but it *was* typical. If you
> > > > really want the best for Share, feste, you need to let her
> > > > take her lumps instead of trying to protect her from
> > > > herself and from reality. You aren't even showing her any
> > > > *respect* when you do the latter.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long 
> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Yep, obviously I'm still learning how to communicate online in a
> noninflammatory way.  Judy, I'm sure I've made a fool of myself prior to
> today and am equally sure that I will do so again in the future.  Ann,
> neither Edwin nor I were criticizing dirty fighting.  Which I thought,
> albeit wrongly, that the explanation explained.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > From: awoelflebater 
> > > > > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > Sent: Thursday, December 6, 2012 8:40 AM
> > > > > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: More Opera 12.04.12 to feste and
> emptyB
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Â
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long 
> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > feste, we adore you for adoring us and emptyB, we adore you
> for having a healthy respect for our trickiness which of course we had to
> develop to survive living with those big strong hairy cavemen prone to
> slinging us over their shoulder.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > In his workshop music man Edwin Coppard from Victoria teaches
> that since cave days, women fight dirty.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > And do you believe that/him? Sounds like a funny sort of man's
> (n this case the man being Mr Coppard) viewpoint. How

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: More Opera 12.04.12 to Judy and Ann

[Ravi Chivukula]

On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 12:49 PM, turquoiseb wrote:

> **
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> > 
> > > Like I said, a real chip off the old Robin blockheadedness.
> >
> > Hey, Barry, saying something RLY
> > RLY STOOPID
> > twice doesn't somehow make it any less
> > STPID.
>
> See what I mean about them having used up all of
> the scurrilous accusations they're capable of
> thinking up, Michael? The most they can do now
> is add more vowels to them.
>

Barry baby - you are really losing it - you should get a room together with
feste?

[FairfieldLife] Re: More Opera 12.04.12 to Judy and Ann

[feste37]

Most of this post is the usual authfriend crap, but I like the "darling" bit. I 
don't get called that nearly often enough, so I will take whatever I can get 
and hold my nose regarding the source. 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37"  wrote:
> >
> > We need to compile an authfriend lexicon that will help others
> > to  understand her. In this case "making a fool of yourself" 
> > means "writing something I don't agree with."
> 
> And now you just made a fool of yourself again, feste.
> Go back and look at my original post
> 
> > In doing so we need to acknowledge the fine work already done
> > in this field by Turquoise B, a brilliant, pioneering scholar 
> > of "authfriend speak," which we might define as a language 
> > developed entirely to browbeat and humiliate other people. 
> 
> What is this compulsion to make yourself look stupid 
> lately, feste? As if I could ever come anywhere near
> the ability of Barryspeak to browbeat and humiliate.
> 
> You are way out of your league here, feste darling.
> 
> 
> 
>  
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Share, darling, you did not make a fool of yourself. That was
> > > > just authfriend's malicious spin.
> > > 
> > > Yeah, sorry, but she did make a fool of herself, in two ways.
> > > First, she didn't make any effort to find out what the video
> > > was that emptybill was talking about and just jumped in with
> > > something wildly inappropriate to the context.
> > > 
> > > And second, what she was babbling about was, on its own
> > > terms (as Ann explained), stupidly chauvinistic, a dopey
> > > notion she picked up without asking herself if it made any
> > > sense.
> > > 
> > > This wasn't the most egregious instance by any means of
> > > her making a fool of herself, but it *was* typical. If you
> > > really want the best for Share, feste, you need to let her
> > > take her lumps instead of trying to protect her from
> > > herself and from reality. You aren't even showing her any
> > > *respect* when you do the latter.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Yep, obviously I'm still learning how to communicate online in a 
> > > > > noninflammatory way.  Judy, I'm sure I've made a fool of myself 
> > > > > prior to today and am equally sure that I will do so again in the 
> > > > > future.  Ann, neither Edwin nor I were criticizing dirty fighting.  
> > > > > Which I thought, albeit wrongly, that the explanation explained.
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > >  From: awoelflebater 
> > > > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, December 6, 2012 8:40 AM
> > > > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: More Opera 12.04.12 to feste and emptyB
> > > > >  
> > > > > 
> > > > >   
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > feste, we adore you for adoring us and emptyB, we adore you for 
> > > > > > having a healthy respect for our trickiness which of course we had 
> > > > > > to develop to survive living with those big strong hairy cavemen 
> > > > > > prone to slinging us over their shoulder.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > In his workshop music man Edwin Coppard from Victoria teaches that 
> > > > > > since cave days, women fight dirty.
> > > > > 
> > > > > And do you believe that/him? Sounds like a funny sort of man's (n 
> > > > > this case the man being Mr Coppard) viewpoint. How about looking at 
> > > > > it that because women are, generally speaking, less physically strong 
> > > > > than men they have to rely on their wits more and of course this 
> > > > > would apply mostly to days gone by when phys

[FairfieldLife] Re: More Opera 12.04.12 to Judy and Ann

[turquoiseb]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> 
> > Like I said, a real chip off the old Robin blockheadedness.
> 
> Hey, Barry, saying something RLY
> RLY STOOPID
> twice doesn't somehow make it any less
> STPID.

See what I mean about them having used up all of
the scurrilous accusations they're capable of 
thinking up, Michael? The most they can do now
is add more vowels to them. 

[FairfieldLife] Re: More Opera 12.04.12 to Judy and Ann

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:

> Like I said, a real chip off the old Robin blockheadedness.

Hey, Barry, saying something RLY
RLY STOOPID
twice doesn't somehow make it any less
STPID.

[FairfieldLife] Re: More Opera 12.04.12 to Judy and Ann

[turquoiseb]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37"  wrote:
> >
> > Looks like someone is trying to cover her embarrassment at 
> > her foolish error. 
> 
> Sorry, not embarrassed, not covering, and definitely not 
> foolish. I've been wrong, but not stupid.

Like I said, a real chip off the old Robin blockheadedness.

 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater  wrote:
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Correct. Wolf didn't bother to read the relevant post, so she made a 
> > > > fool of herself.
> > > 
> > > Sorry Feste, it takes a lot more than that to look like a fool. But it 
> > > hardly takes anything at all to look like an asshole.
> > > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley" 
> > > >  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater  wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37"  wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Share, darling, you did not make a fool of yourself. That was 
> > > > > > > just authfriend's malicious spin. 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Dear Feste. Please note, in the interest of clarity here,  that 
> > > > > > Judy did not say Share had made a fool of herself, not even close. 
> > > > > > She asked a question, didn't make a statement, and the question was 
> > > > > > did 
> > > > > > Share think she had communicated to Judy or I in her last post to 
> > > > > > us. Take a breath and take a moment and figure out why you despise 
> > > > > > Judy and are reacting like crazy right now. OK, it's your turn, I 
> > > > > > think I'm ready.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > I'm pretty sure Feste is referring to what Judy wrote here:
> > > > > 
> > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/328397
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: More Opera 12.04.12 to Judy and Ann

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37"  wrote:
>
> We need to compile an authfriend lexicon that will help others
> to  understand her. In this case "making a fool of yourself" 
> means "writing something I don't agree with."

And now you just made a fool of yourself again, feste.
Go back and look at my original post

> In doing so we need to acknowledge the fine work already done
> in this field by Turquoise B, a brilliant, pioneering scholar 
> of "authfriend speak," which we might define as a language 
> developed entirely to browbeat and humiliate other people. 

What is this compulsion to make yourself look stupid 
lately, feste? As if I could ever come anywhere near
the ability of Barryspeak to browbeat and humiliate.

You are way out of your league here, feste darling.



 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37"  wrote:
> > >
> > > Share, darling, you did not make a fool of yourself. That was
> > > just authfriend's malicious spin.
> > 
> > Yeah, sorry, but she did make a fool of herself, in two ways.
> > First, she didn't make any effort to find out what the video
> > was that emptybill was talking about and just jumped in with
> > something wildly inappropriate to the context.
> > 
> > And second, what she was babbling about was, on its own
> > terms (as Ann explained), stupidly chauvinistic, a dopey
> > notion she picked up without asking herself if it made any
> > sense.
> > 
> > This wasn't the most egregious instance by any means of
> > her making a fool of herself, but it *was* typical. If you
> > really want the best for Share, feste, you need to let her
> > take her lumps instead of trying to protect her from
> > herself and from reality. You aren't even showing her any
> > *respect* when you do the latter.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Yep, obviously I'm still learning how to communicate online in a 
> > > > noninflammatory way.  Judy, I'm sure I've made a fool of myself prior 
> > > > to today and am equally sure that I will do so again in the future.  
> > > > Ann, neither Edwin nor I were criticizing dirty fighting.  Which I 
> > > > thought, albeit wrongly, that the explanation explained.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > >  From: awoelflebater 
> > > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > > > Sent: Thursday, December 6, 2012 8:40 AM
> > > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: More Opera 12.04.12 to feste and emptyB
> > > >  
> > > > 
> > > >   
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > feste, we adore you for adoring us and emptyB, we adore you for 
> > > > > having a healthy respect for our trickiness which of course we had to 
> > > > > develop to survive living with those big strong hairy cavemen prone 
> > > > > to slinging us over their shoulder.
> > > > > 
> > > > > In his workshop music man Edwin Coppard from Victoria teaches that 
> > > > > since cave days, women fight dirty.
> > > > 
> > > > And do you believe that/him? Sounds like a funny sort of man's (n this 
> > > > case the man being Mr Coppard) viewpoint. How about looking at it that 
> > > > because women are, generally speaking, less physically strong than men 
> > > > they have to rely on their wits more and of course this would apply 
> > > > mostly to days gone by when physical threat was more common in daily 
> > > > life. To hide one's young from a predator would involve elements of 
> > > > foresight, the ability to be spontaneous and creative to find ways of 
> > > > escaping the jaws of some hungry mountain lion as well as a huge degree 
> > > > of courage. To use a term to lump all of these characteristics into one 
> > > > descriptive word like "dirty" is patently ridiculous and shortsighted, 
> > > > even underhanded. Talk about 'fighting dirty'. Just another person 
> > > > putting a negative spin on what could be otherwise construed as 
> > > > positive in the opposite sex.
> >

[FairfieldLife] Re: More Opera 12.04.12 to Judy and Ann

[awoelflebater]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37"  wrote:
>
> Looks like someone is trying to cover her embarrassment at her foolish error. 

Sorry, not embarrassed, not covering, and definitely not foolish. I've been 
wrong, but not stupid.
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37"  wrote:
> > >
> > > Correct. Wolf didn't bother to read the relevant post, so she made a fool 
> > > of herself.
> > 
> > Sorry Feste, it takes a lot more than that to look like a fool. But it 
> > hardly takes anything at all to look like an asshole.
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley" 
> > >  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37"  wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Share, darling, you did not make a fool of yourself. That was just 
> > > > > > authfriend's malicious spin. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Dear Feste. Please note, in the interest of clarity here,  that Judy 
> > > > > did not say Share had made a fool of herself, not even close. She 
> > > > > asked a question, didn't make a statement, and the question was did 
> > > > > Share think she had communicated to Judy or I in her last post to us. 
> > > > > Take a breath and take a moment and figure out why you despise Judy 
> > > > > and are reacting like crazy right now. OK, it's your turn, I think 
> > > > > I'm ready.
> > > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > I'm pretty sure Feste is referring to what Judy wrote here:
> > > > 
> > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/328397
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: More Opera 12.04.12 to Judy and Ann

[feste37]

Looks like someone is trying to cover her embarrassment at her foolish error. 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37"  wrote:
> >
> > Correct. Wolf didn't bother to read the relevant post, so she made a fool 
> > of herself.
> 
> Sorry Feste, it takes a lot more than that to look like a fool. But it hardly 
> takes anything at all to look like an asshole.
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley"  
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37"  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Share, darling, you did not make a fool of yourself. That was just 
> > > > > authfriend's malicious spin. 
> > > > 
> > > > Dear Feste. Please note, in the interest of clarity here,  that Judy 
> > > > did not say Share had made a fool of herself, not even close. She asked 
> > > > a question, didn't make a statement, and the question was did 
> > > > Share think she had communicated to Judy or I in her last post to us. 
> > > > Take a breath and take a moment and figure out why you despise Judy and 
> > > > are reacting like crazy right now. OK, it's your turn, I think I'm 
> > > > ready.
> > > > > 
> > > 
> > > I'm pretty sure Feste is referring to what Judy wrote here:
> > > 
> > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/328397
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: More Opera 12.04.12 to Judy and Ann

[turquoiseb]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley"  
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Share, darling, you did not make a fool of yourself. That 
> > > > was just authfriend's malicious spin. 
> > > 
> > > Dear Feste. Please note, in the interest of clarity here,  
> > > that Judy did not say Share had made a fool of herself, 
> > > not even close. She asked a question, didn't make a statement, 
> > > and the question was did Share think she had communicated to 
> > > Judy or I in her last post to us. Take a breath and take a 
> > > moment and figure out why you despise Judy and are reacting 
> > > like crazy right now. OK, it's your turn, I think I'm ready.
> > 
> > I'm pretty sure Feste is referring to what Judy wrote here:
> > 
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/328397
> 
> Thanks Alex, you just gave an example of correcting/clarifying 
> something without coming across like a dink.

Ahem. Methinks Angry Ann forgot to include the part of
her post that goes, "I was W...W...W...WRONG. It was 
M...M...M...ME who made a fool of myself. Sorry."

A real chip off the Robin blockheadedness. 

[FairfieldLife] Re: More Opera 12.04.12 to Judy and Ann

[awoelflebater]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley"  
wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37"  wrote:
> > >
> > > Share, darling, you did not make a fool of yourself. That was just 
> > > authfriend's malicious spin. 
> > 
> > Dear Feste. Please note, in the interest of clarity here,  that Judy did 
> > not say Share had made a fool of herself, not even close. She asked a 
> > question, didn't make a statement, and the question was did 
> > Share think she had communicated to Judy or I in her last post to us. Take 
> > a breath and take a moment and figure out why you despise Judy and are 
> > reacting like crazy right now. OK, it's your turn, I think I'm ready.
> > > 
> 
> I'm pretty sure Feste is referring to what Judy wrote here:
> 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/328397

Thanks Alex, you just gave an example of correcting/clarifying something 
without coming across like a dink.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: More Opera 12.04.12 to Judy and Ann

[awoelflebater]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37"  wrote:
>
> Correct. Wolf didn't bother to read the relevant post, so she made a fool of 
> herself.

Sorry Feste, it takes a lot more than that to look like a fool. But it hardly 
takes anything at all to look like an asshole.
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley"  
> wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater  wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Share, darling, you did not make a fool of yourself. That was just 
> > > > authfriend's malicious spin. 
> > > 
> > > Dear Feste. Please note, in the interest of clarity here,  that Judy did 
> > > not say Share had made a fool of herself, not even close. She asked a 
> > > question, didn't make a statement, and the question was did 
> > > Share think she had communicated to Judy or I in her last post to us. 
> > > Take a breath and take a moment and figure out why you despise Judy and 
> > > are reacting like crazy right now. OK, it's your turn, I think I'm ready.
> > > > 
> > 
> > I'm pretty sure Feste is referring to what Judy wrote here:
> > 
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/328397
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: More Opera 12.04.12 to Judy and Ann

[feste37]

We need to compile an authfriend lexicon that will help others to  understand 
her. In this case "making a fool of yourself" means "writing something I don't 
agree with." In doing so we need to acknowledge the fine work already done in 
this field by Turquoise B, a brilliant, pioneering scholar of "authfriend 
speak," which we might define as a language developed entirely to browbeat and 
humiliate other people. 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37"  wrote:
> >
> > Share, darling, you did not make a fool of yourself. That was
> > just authfriend's malicious spin.
> 
> Yeah, sorry, but she did make a fool of herself, in two ways.
> First, she didn't make any effort to find out what the video
> was that emptybill was talking about and just jumped in with
> something wildly inappropriate to the context.
> 
> And second, what she was babbling about was, on its own
> terms (as Ann explained), stupidly chauvinistic, a dopey
> notion she picked up without asking herself if it made any
> sense.
> 
> This wasn't the most egregious instance by any means of
> her making a fool of herself, but it *was* typical. If you
> really want the best for Share, feste, you need to let her
> take her lumps instead of trying to protect her from
> herself and from reality. You aren't even showing her any
> *respect* when you do the latter.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
> > >
> > > Yep, obviously I'm still learning how to communicate online in a 
> > > noninflammatory way.  Judy, I'm sure I've made a fool of myself prior to 
> > > today and am equally sure that I will do so again in the future.  Ann, 
> > > neither Edwin nor I were criticizing dirty fighting.  Which I thought, 
> > > albeit wrongly, that the explanation explained.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > >  From: awoelflebater 
> > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > > Sent: Thursday, December 6, 2012 8:40 AM
> > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: More Opera 12.04.12 to feste and emptyB
> > >  
> > > 
> > >   
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > feste, we adore you for adoring us and emptyB, we adore you for having 
> > > > a healthy respect for our trickiness which of course we had to develop 
> > > > to survive living with those big strong hairy cavemen prone to slinging 
> > > > us over their shoulder.
> > > > 
> > > > In his workshop music man Edwin Coppard from Victoria teaches that 
> > > > since cave days, women fight dirty.
> > > 
> > > And do you believe that/him? Sounds like a funny sort of man's (n this 
> > > case the man being Mr Coppard) viewpoint. How about looking at it that 
> > > because women are, generally speaking, less physically strong than men 
> > > they have to rely on their wits more and of course this would apply 
> > > mostly to days gone by when physical threat was more common in daily 
> > > life. To hide one's young from a predator would involve elements of 
> > > foresight, the ability to be spontaneous and creative to find ways of 
> > > escaping the jaws of some hungry mountain lion as well as a huge degree 
> > > of courage. To use a term to lump all of these characteristics into one 
> > > descriptive word like "dirty" is patently ridiculous and shortsighted, 
> > > even underhanded. Talk about 'fighting dirty'. Just another person 
> > > putting a negative spin on what could be otherwise construed as positive 
> > > in the opposite sex.
> > > 
> > >   We had to have strategies and abilities to protect the young because 
> > > we were the last line of defense when the men of the tribe were off 
> > > hunting or warring.
> > > 
> > > We would have been the FIRST and far from inferior line of defense since 
> > > the men were gone and might have been the first line even if they had 
> > > been present.
> > > > 
> > > > Edwin still has a bit of a Cockney accent and he used much more 
> > > > colorful language which I will leave to everyone's imagination.  If 
> > > > only to spare Buck who makes me smile just about every single day 
> > > > (-:   
> > > 

[FairfieldLife] Re: More Opera 12.04.12 to Judy and Ann

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37"  wrote:
>
> Share, darling, you did not make a fool of yourself. That was
> just authfriend's malicious spin.

Yeah, sorry, but she did make a fool of herself, in two ways.
First, she didn't make any effort to find out what the video
was that emptybill was talking about and just jumped in with
something wildly inappropriate to the context.

And second, what she was babbling about was, on its own
terms (as Ann explained), stupidly chauvinistic, a dopey
notion she picked up without asking herself if it made any
sense.

This wasn't the most egregious instance by any means of
her making a fool of herself, but it *was* typical. If you
really want the best for Share, feste, you need to let her
take her lumps instead of trying to protect her from
herself and from reality. You aren't even showing her any
*respect* when you do the latter.





> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
> >
> > Yep, obviously I'm still learning how to communicate online in a 
> > noninflammatory way.  Judy, I'm sure I've made a fool of myself prior to 
> > today and am equally sure that I will do so again in the future.  Ann, 
> > neither Edwin nor I were criticizing dirty fighting.  Which I thought, 
> > albeit wrongly, that the explanation explained.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >  From: awoelflebater 
> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > Sent: Thursday, December 6, 2012 8:40 AM
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: More Opera 12.04.12 to feste and emptyB
> >  
> > 
> >   
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
> > >
> > > feste, we adore you for adoring us and emptyB, we adore you for having a 
> > > healthy respect for our trickiness which of course we had to develop to 
> > > survive living with those big strong hairy cavemen prone to slinging us 
> > > over their shoulder.
> > > 
> > > In his workshop music man Edwin Coppard from Victoria teaches that since 
> > > cave days, women fight dirty.
> > 
> > And do you believe that/him? Sounds like a funny sort of man's (n this case 
> > the man being Mr Coppard) viewpoint. How about looking at it that because 
> > women are, generally speaking, less physically strong than men they have to 
> > rely on their wits more and of course this would apply mostly to days gone 
> > by when physical threat was more common in daily life. To hide one's young 
> > from a predator would involve elements of foresight, the ability to be 
> > spontaneous and creative to find ways of escaping the jaws of some hungry 
> > mountain lion as well as a huge degree of courage. To use a term to lump 
> > all of these characteristics into one descriptive word like "dirty" is 
> > patently ridiculous and shortsighted, even underhanded. Talk about 
> > 'fighting dirty'. Just another person putting a negative spin on what could 
> > be otherwise construed as positive in the opposite sex.
> > 
> >   We had to have strategies and abilities to protect the young because 
> > we were the last line of defense when the men of the tribe were off hunting 
> > or warring.
> > 
> > We would have been the FIRST and far from inferior line of defense since 
> > the men were gone and might have been the first line even if they had been 
> > present.
> > > 
> > > Edwin still has a bit of a Cockney accent and he used much more colorful 
> > > language which I will leave to everyone's imagination.  If only to 
> > > spare Buck who makes me smile just about every single day (-:   
> > 
> > Yessiree, that Buck certainly makes me shake my head in wonder, every day. 
> > Can you imagine if he was our first line of defense against some marauder? 
> > "Now ladies, relax, just close your eyes for 20 minutes and all will be 
> > fine. If you find yourself dead in the next 20 seconds it's because there 
> > just weren't enough of us meditating right now. Now shoo, you nasty cougar."
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > >  From: feste37 
> > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > > Sent: Wednesday, December 5, 2012 8:04 PM
> > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: More Opera 12.04.12
> > > 
> > > 
> > >   
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "emptybill"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Wonderful performanc

[FairfieldLife] Re: More Opera 12.04.12 to Judy and Ann

[feste37]

Correct. Wolf didn't bother to read the relevant post, so she made a fool of 
herself. 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley"  
wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37"  wrote:
> > >
> > > Share, darling, you did not make a fool of yourself. That was just 
> > > authfriend's malicious spin. 
> > 
> > Dear Feste. Please note, in the interest of clarity here,  that Judy did 
> > not say Share had made a fool of herself, not even close. She asked a 
> > question, didn't make a statement, and the question was did 
> > Share think she had communicated to Judy or I in her last post to us. Take 
> > a breath and take a moment and figure out why you despise Judy and are 
> > reacting like crazy right now. OK, it's your turn, I think I'm ready.
> > > 
> 
> I'm pretty sure Feste is referring to what Judy wrote here:
> 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/328397
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: More Opera 12.04.12 to Judy and Ann

[Alex Stanley]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37"  wrote:
> >
> > Share, darling, you did not make a fool of yourself. That was just 
> > authfriend's malicious spin. 
> 
> Dear Feste. Please note, in the interest of clarity here,  that Judy did not 
> say Share had made a fool of herself, not even close. She asked a question, 
> didn't make a statement, and the question was did 
> Share think she had communicated to Judy or I in her last post to us. Take a 
> breath and take a moment and figure out why you despise Judy and are reacting 
> like crazy right now. OK, it's your turn, I think I'm ready.
> > 

I'm pretty sure Feste is referring to what Judy wrote here:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/328397

[FairfieldLife] Re: More Opera 12.04.12 to Judy and Ann

[awoelflebater]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37"  wrote:
>
> Share, darling, you did not make a fool of yourself. That was just 
> authfriend's malicious spin. 

Dear Feste. Please note, in the interest of clarity here,  that Judy did not 
say Share had made a fool of herself, not even close. She asked a question, 
didn't make a statement, and the question was did 
Share think she had communicated to Judy or I in her last post to us. Take a 
breath and take a moment and figure out why you despise Judy and are reacting 
like crazy right now. OK, it's your turn, I think I'm ready.
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
> >
> > Yep, obviously I'm still learning how to communicate online in a 
> > noninflammatory way.  Judy, I'm sure I've made a fool of myself prior to 
> > today and am equally sure that I will do so again in the future.  Ann, 
> > neither Edwin nor I were criticizing dirty fighting.  Which I thought, 
> > albeit wrongly, that the explanation explained.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >  From: awoelflebater 
> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > Sent: Thursday, December 6, 2012 8:40 AM
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: More Opera 12.04.12 to feste and emptyB
> >  
> > 
> >   
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
> > >
> > > feste, we adore you for adoring us and emptyB, we adore you for having a 
> > > healthy respect for our trickiness which of course we had to develop to 
> > > survive living with those big strong hairy cavemen prone to slinging us 
> > > over their shoulder.
> > > 
> > > In his workshop music man Edwin Coppard from Victoria teaches that since 
> > > cave days, women fight dirty.
> > 
> > And do you believe that/him? Sounds like a funny sort of man's (n this case 
> > the man being Mr Coppard) viewpoint. How about looking at it that because 
> > women are, generally speaking, less physically strong than men they have to 
> > rely on their wits more and of course this would apply mostly to days gone 
> > by when physical threat was more common in daily life. To hide one's young 
> > from a predator would involve elements of foresight, the ability to be 
> > spontaneous and creative to find ways of escaping the jaws of some hungry 
> > mountain lion as well as a huge degree of courage. To use a term to lump 
> > all of these characteristics into one descriptive word like "dirty" is 
> > patently ridiculous and shortsighted, even underhanded. Talk about 
> > 'fighting dirty'. Just another person putting a negative spin on what could 
> > be otherwise construed as positive in the opposite sex.
> > 
> >   We had to have strategies and abilities to protect the young because 
> > we were the last line of defense when the men of the tribe were off hunting 
> > or warring.
> > 
> > We would have been the FIRST and far from inferior line of defense since 
> > the men were gone and might have been the first line even if they had been 
> > present.
> > > 
> > > Edwin still has a bit of a Cockney accent and he used much more colorful 
> > > language which I will leave to everyone's imagination.  If only to 
> > > spare Buck who makes me smile just about every single day (-:   
> > 
> > Yessiree, that Buck certainly makes me shake my head in wonder, every day. 
> > Can you imagine if he was our first line of defense against some marauder? 
> > "Now ladies, relax, just close your eyes for 20 minutes and all will be 
> > fine. If you find yourself dead in the next 20 seconds it's because there 
> > just weren't enough of us meditating right now. Now shoo, you nasty cougar."
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > >  From: feste37 
> > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > > Sent: Wednesday, December 5, 2012 8:04 PM
> > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: More Opera 12.04.12
> > > 
> > > 
> > >   
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "emptybill"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Wonderful performances.
> > > > 
> > > > That mad scene should be a snap-shot for men
> > > > thinking these divas would be simple to deal with
> > > > by a fool - a snap-shot of their own bloody corpse
> > > > that is.
> > > > 
> > > > Feste, 

[FairfieldLife] Re: More Opera 12.04.12 to Judy and Ann

[feste37]

Share, darling, you did not make a fool of yourself. That was just authfriend's 
malicious spin. 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
>
> Yep, obviously I'm still learning how to communicate online in a 
> noninflammatory way.  Judy, I'm sure I've made a fool of myself prior to 
> today and am equally sure that I will do so again in the future.  Ann, 
> neither Edwin nor I were criticizing dirty fighting.  Which I thought, 
> albeit wrongly, that the explanation explained.
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  From: awoelflebater 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Thursday, December 6, 2012 8:40 AM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: More Opera 12.04.12 to feste and emptyB
>  
> 
>   
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
> >
> > feste, we adore you for adoring us and emptyB, we adore you for having a 
> > healthy respect for our trickiness which of course we had to develop to 
> > survive living with those big strong hairy cavemen prone to slinging us 
> > over their shoulder.
> > 
> > In his workshop music man Edwin Coppard from Victoria teaches that since 
> > cave days, women fight dirty.
> 
> And do you believe that/him? Sounds like a funny sort of man's (n this case 
> the man being Mr Coppard) viewpoint. How about looking at it that because 
> women are, generally speaking, less physically strong than men they have to 
> rely on their wits more and of course this would apply mostly to days gone by 
> when physical threat was more common in daily life. To hide one's young from 
> a predator would involve elements of foresight, the ability to be spontaneous 
> and creative to find ways of escaping the jaws of some hungry mountain lion 
> as well as a huge degree of courage. To use a term to lump all of these 
> characteristics into one descriptive word like "dirty" is patently ridiculous 
> and shortsighted, even underhanded. Talk about 'fighting dirty'. Just another 
> person putting a negative spin on what could be otherwise construed as 
> positive in the opposite sex.
> 
>   We had to have strategies and abilities to protect the young because we 
> were the last line of defense when the men of the tribe were off hunting or 
> warring.
> 
> We would have been the FIRST and far from inferior line of defense since the 
> men were gone and might have been the first line even if they had been 
> present.
> > 
> > Edwin still has a bit of a Cockney accent and he used much more colorful 
> > language which I will leave to everyone's imagination.  If only to spare 
> > Buck who makes me smile just about every single day (-:   
> 
> Yessiree, that Buck certainly makes me shake my head in wonder, every day. 
> Can you imagine if he was our first line of defense against some marauder? 
> "Now ladies, relax, just close your eyes for 20 minutes and all will be fine. 
> If you find yourself dead in the next 20 seconds it's because there just 
> weren't enough of us meditating right now. Now shoo, you nasty cougar."
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >  From: feste37 
> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 5, 2012 8:04 PM
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: More Opera 12.04.12
> > 
> > 
> >   
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "emptybill"  wrote:
> > >
> > > Wonderful performances.
> > > 
> > > That mad scene should be a snap-shot for men
> > > thinking these divas would be simple to deal with
> > > by a fool - a snap-shot of their own bloody corpse
> > > that is.
> > > 
> > > Feste, be warned. They wouldn't just cut your
> > > heart out but also put a grenade under your
> > > body to greet anyone rolling you over.
> > 
> > I know. Mess with them and you're history. That's why I adore them so much. 
> > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" 
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Three Netrebko videos...
> > > >
> > > > "Quando m'en vo" ("Musetta's Waltz") from Puccini's La Boheme
> > > > (Not such a great aria for a concert performance; you really
> > > > need the staging for it to come across, but she sings it
> > > > nicely.)
> > > >
> > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWnWivspwRE
> > > >
> > > 

[FairfieldLife] Re: More Opera 12.04.12 to feste and emptyB

[turquoiseb]

> And with regard to the "Mad Scene" woman emptybill was talking
> about, she murders her bridegroom because she's been forced by
> her brother to marry him rather than the man she loves, and
> she has gone insane with grief.
> 
> Real tricky on the woman's part, huh?
> 
> There's more: Her brother has arranged the marriage for
> political reasons, to secure his own power; and the two
> thwarted lovers have been led to believe each has betrayed the
> other. When the woman's lover learns that she has died, he
> kills himself.
> 
> The opera is based on real events that took place in 17th
> century Scotland.


And people wonder why I prefer the relatively upbeat,
comparatively happy themes of country music to opera.  :-)

[FairfieldLife] Re: More Opera 12.04.12 to Judy and Ann

[authfriend]

Do you think you have communicated with Ann and me here,
Share?


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
>
> Yep, obviously I'm still learning how to communicate online in a 
> noninflammatory way.  Judy, I'm sure I've made a fool of myself prior to 
> today and am equally sure that I will do so again in the future.  Ann, 
> neither Edwin nor I were criticizing dirty fighting.  Which I thought, 
> albeit wrongly, that the explanation explained.
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  From: awoelflebater 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Thursday, December 6, 2012 8:40 AM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: More Opera 12.04.12 to feste and emptyB
>  
> 
>   
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
> >
> > feste, we adore you for adoring us and emptyB, we adore you for having a 
> > healthy respect for our trickiness which of course we had to develop to 
> > survive living with those big strong hairy cavemen prone to slinging us 
> > over their shoulder.
> > 
> > In his workshop music man Edwin Coppard from Victoria teaches that since 
> > cave days, women fight dirty.
> 
> And do you believe that/him? Sounds like a funny sort of man's (n this case 
> the man being Mr Coppard) viewpoint. How about looking at it that because 
> women are, generally speaking, less physically strong than men they have to 
> rely on their wits more and of course this would apply mostly to days gone by 
> when physical threat was more common in daily life. To hide one's young from 
> a predator would involve elements of foresight, the ability to be spontaneous 
> and creative to find ways of escaping the jaws of some hungry mountain lion 
> as well as a huge degree of courage. To use a term to lump all of these 
> characteristics into one descriptive word like "dirty" is patently ridiculous 
> and shortsighted, even underhanded. Talk about 'fighting dirty'. Just another 
> person putting a negative spin on what could be otherwise construed as 
> positive in the opposite sex.
> 
>   We had to have strategies and abilities to protect the young because we 
> were the last line of defense when the men of the tribe were off hunting or 
> warring.
> 
> We would have been the FIRST and far from inferior line of defense since the 
> men were gone and might have been the first line even if they had been 
> present.
> > 
> > Edwin still has a bit of a Cockney accent and he used much more colorful 
> > language which I will leave to everyone's imagination.  If only to spare 
> > Buck who makes me smile just about every single day (-:   
> 
> Yessiree, that Buck certainly makes me shake my head in wonder, every day. 
> Can you imagine if he was our first line of defense against some marauder? 
> "Now ladies, relax, just close your eyes for 20 minutes and all will be fine. 
> If you find yourself dead in the next 20 seconds it's because there just 
> weren't enough of us meditating right now. Now shoo, you nasty cougar."
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >  From: feste37 
> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 5, 2012 8:04 PM
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: More Opera 12.04.12
> > 
> > 
> >   
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "emptybill"  wrote:
> > >
> > > Wonderful performances.
> > > 
> > > That mad scene should be a snap-shot for men
> > > thinking these divas would be simple to deal with
> > > by a fool - a snap-shot of their own bloody corpse
> > > that is.
> > > 
> > > Feste, be warned. They wouldn't just cut your
> > > heart out but also put a grenade under your
> > > body to greet anyone rolling you over.
> > 
> > I know. Mess with them and you're history. That's why I adore them so much. 
> > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" 
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Three Netrebko videos...
> > > >
> > > > "Quando m'en vo" ("Musetta's Waltz") from Puccini's La Boheme
> > > > (Not such a great aria for a concert performance; you really
> > > > need the staging for it to come across, but she sings it
> > > > nicely.)
> > > >
> > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWnWivspwRE
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Sempre libera" from Verdi

[FairfieldLife] Re: More Opera 12.04.12 to feste and emptyB

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater  wrote:
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
> >
> > feste, we adore you for adoring us and emptyB, we adore you
> > for having a healthy respect for our trickiness which of
> > course we had to develop to survive living with those big
> > strong hairy cavemen prone to slinging us over their shoulder.
> > 
> > In his workshop music man Edwin Coppard from Victoria teaches
> > that since cave days, women fight dirty.
> 
> And do you believe that/him? Sounds like a funny sort of man's
> (in this case the man being Mr Coppard) viewpoint.

> Talk about 'fighting dirty'. Just another person putting a
> negative spin on what could be otherwise construed as positive
> in the opposite sex.

That's OK, he's an "expert" and a "wise other."

And with regard to the "Mad Scene" woman emptybill was talking
about, she murders her bridegroom because she's been forced by
her brother to marry him rather than the man she loves, and
she has gone insane with grief.

Real tricky on the woman's part, huh?

There's more: Her brother has arranged the marriage for
political reasons, to secure his own power; and the two
thwarted lovers have been led to believe each has betrayed the
other. When the woman's lover learns that she has died, he
kills himself.

The opera is based on real events that took place in 17th
century Scotland.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: More Opera 12.04.12 to Judy and Ann

[Share Long]

Yep, obviously I'm still learning how to communicate online in a 
noninflammatory way.  Judy, I'm sure I've made a fool of myself prior to today 
and am equally sure that I will do so again in the future.  Ann, neither Edwin 
nor I were criticizing dirty fighting.  Which I thought, albeit wrongly, that 
the explanation explained.




 From: awoelflebater 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, December 6, 2012 8:40 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: More Opera 12.04.12 to feste and emptyB
 

  


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
>
> feste, we adore you for adoring us and emptyB, we adore you for having a 
> healthy respect for our trickiness which of course we had to develop to 
> survive living with those big strong hairy cavemen prone to slinging us over 
> their shoulder.
> 
> In his workshop music man Edwin Coppard from Victoria teaches that since cave 
> days, women fight dirty.

And do you believe that/him? Sounds like a funny sort of man's (n this case the 
man being Mr Coppard) viewpoint. How about looking at it that because women 
are, generally speaking, less physically strong than men they have to rely on 
their wits more and of course this would apply mostly to days gone by when 
physical threat was more common in daily life. To hide one's young from a 
predator would involve elements of foresight, the ability to be spontaneous and 
creative to find ways of escaping the jaws of some hungry mountain lion as well 
as a huge degree of courage. To use a term to lump all of these characteristics 
into one descriptive word like "dirty" is patently ridiculous and shortsighted, 
even underhanded. Talk about 'fighting dirty'. Just another person putting a 
negative spin on what could be otherwise construed as positive in the opposite 
sex.

  We had to have strategies and abilities to protect the young because we were 
the last line of defense when the men of the tribe were off hunting or warring.

We would have been the FIRST and far from inferior line of defense since the 
men were gone and might have been the first line even if they had been present.
> 
> Edwin still has a bit of a Cockney accent and he used much more colorful 
> language which I will leave to everyone's imagination.  If only to spare 
> Buck who makes me smile just about every single day (-:   

Yessiree, that Buck certainly makes me shake my head in wonder, every day. Can 
you imagine if he was our first line of defense against some marauder? "Now 
ladies, relax, just close your eyes for 20 minutes and all will be fine. If you 
find yourself dead in the next 20 seconds it's because there just weren't 
enough of us meditating right now. Now shoo, you nasty cougar."
> 
> 
> 
> ____
>  From: feste37 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Wednesday, December 5, 2012 8:04 PM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: More Opera 12.04.12
> 
> 
>   
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "emptybill"  wrote:
> >
> > Wonderful performances.
> > 
> > That mad scene should be a snap-shot for men
> > thinking these divas would be simple to deal with
> > by a fool - a snap-shot of their own bloody corpse
> > that is.
> > 
> > Feste, be warned. They wouldn't just cut your
> > heart out but also put a grenade under your
> > body to greet anyone rolling you over.
> 
> I know. Mess with them and you're history. That's why I adore them so much. 
> 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Three Netrebko videos...
> > >
> > > "Quando m'en vo" ("Musetta's Waltz") from Puccini's La Boheme
> > > (Not such a great aria for a concert performance; you really
> > > need the staging for it to come across, but she sings it
> > > nicely.)
> > >
> > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWnWivspwRE
> > >
> > >
> > > "Sempre libera" from Verdi's Traviata
> > > (From the new Met modern-dress production--a rather outre
> > interpretation of Violetta, but it shows off her acting
> > > ability.)
> > >
> > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFJJ1zFBWgY&feature=endscreen&NR=1
> > >
> > >
> > > "Mad Scene" from Donizetti's Lucia di Lammermoor
> > > (Lucia has just killed her bridegroom. A conventional
> > > production, but the staging of this scene is excellent,
> > > and her performance is blood-chilling. It's a long
> > > scene, over 10 minutes.)
> > >

[FairfieldLife] Re: More Opera 12.04.12 to feste and emptyB

[awoelflebater]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
>
> feste, we adore you for adoring us and emptyB, we adore you for having a 
> healthy respect for our trickiness which of course we had to develop to 
> survive living with those big strong hairy cavemen prone to slinging us over 
> their shoulder.
> 
> In his workshop music man Edwin Coppard from Victoria teaches that since cave 
> days, women fight dirty.

And do you believe that/him? Sounds like a funny sort of man's (n this case the 
man being Mr Coppard) viewpoint. How about looking at it that because women 
are, generally speaking, less physically strong than men they have to rely on 
their wits more and of course this would apply mostly to days gone by when 
physical threat was more common in daily life. To hide one's young from a 
predator would involve elements of foresight, the ability to be spontaneous and 
creative to find ways of escaping the jaws of some hungry mountain lion as well 
as a huge degree of courage. To use a term to lump all of these characteristics 
into one descriptive word like "dirty" is patently ridiculous and shortsighted, 
even underhanded. Talk about 'fighting dirty'. Just another person putting a 
negative spin on what could be otherwise construed as positive in the opposite 
sex.

  We had to have strategies and abilities to protect the young because we were 
the last line of defense when the men of the tribe were off hunting or warring.

We would have been the FIRST and far from inferior line of defense since the 
men were gone and might have been the first line even if they had been present.
> 
> Edwin still has a bit of a Cockney accent and he used much more colorful 
> language which I will leave to everyone's imagination.  If only to spare 
> Buck who makes me smile just about every single day (-:   

Yessiree, that Buck certainly makes me shake my head in wonder, every day. Can 
you imagine if he was our first line of defense against some marauder? "Now 
ladies, relax, just close your eyes for 20 minutes and all will be fine. If you 
find yourself dead in the next 20 seconds it's because there just weren't 
enough of us meditating right now. Now shoo, you nasty cougar."
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  From: feste37 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Wednesday, December 5, 2012 8:04 PM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: More Opera 12.04.12
>  
> 
>   
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "emptybill"  wrote:
> >
> > Wonderful performances.
> > 
> > That mad scene should be a snap-shot for men
> > thinking these divas would be simple to deal with
> > by a fool - a snap-shot of their own bloody corpse
> > that is.
> > 
> > Feste, be warned. They wouldn't just cut your
> > heart out but also put a grenade under your
> > body to greet anyone rolling you over.
> 
> I know. Mess with them and you're history. That's why I adore them so much. 
> 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Three Netrebko videos...
> > >
> > > "Quando m'en vo" ("Musetta's Waltz") from Puccini's La Boheme
> > > (Not such a great aria for a concert performance; you really
> > > need the staging for it to come across, but she sings it
> > > nicely.)
> > >
> > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWnWivspwRE
> > >
> > >
> > > "Sempre libera" from Verdi's Traviata
> > > (From the new Met modern-dress production--a rather outre
> > interpretation of Violetta, but it shows off her acting
> > > ability.)
> > >
> > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFJJ1zFBWgY&feature=endscreen&NR=1
> > >
> > >
> > > "Mad Scene" from Donizetti's Lucia di Lammermoor
> > > (Lucia has just killed her bridegroom. A conventional
> > > production, but the staging of this scene is excellent,
> > > and her performance is blood-chilling. It's a long
> > > scene, over 10 minutes.)
> > >
> > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZX2r8ps9pUg
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "emptybill" emptybill@ wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hah! Yeah … she's like napalm.
> > > >
> > > > But image living with someone with such talent and charisma.
> > > >
> > > > Might easily end up like the performance by Dmitri Hvorostovsky and
> > > > Renee Fleming in post #328213.
&g

[FairfieldLife] Re: More Opera 12.04.12 to feste and emptyB

[authfriend]

Right. In this case, though, since the woman in question
goes insane, murders the man she has just married, and
then dies herself, not only are there no young to be
protected, there never *will* be any young to be
protected by her "dirty fighting."

It's always a good idea to view a video before one 
comments on it, lest one make a complete fool of oneself.
(Although the words "mad scene" should perhaps have been
a clue...)



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
>
> feste, we adore you for adoring us and emptyB, we adore you for having a 
> healthy respect for our trickiness which of course we had to develop to 
> survive living with those big strong hairy cavemen prone to slinging us over 
> their shoulder.
> 
> In his workshop music man Edwin Coppard from Victoria teaches that since cave 
> days, women fight dirty.  We had to have strategies and abilities to protect 
> the young because we were the last line of defense when the men of the tribe 
> were off hunting or warring.
> 
> Edwin still has a bit of a Cockney accent and he used much more colorful 
> language which I will leave to everyone's imagination.  If only to spare 
> Buck who makes me smile just about every single day (-:    
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  From: feste37 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Wednesday, December 5, 2012 8:04 PM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: More Opera 12.04.12
>  
> 
>   
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "emptybill"  wrote:
> >
> > Wonderful performances.
> > 
> > That mad scene should be a snap-shot for men
> > thinking these divas would be simple to deal with
> > by a fool - a snap-shot of their own bloody corpse
> > that is.
> > 
> > Feste, be warned. They wouldn't just cut your
> > heart out but also put a grenade under your
> > body to greet anyone rolling you over.
> 
> I know. Mess with them and you're history. That's why I adore them so much. 
> 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Three Netrebko videos...
> > >
> > > "Quando m'en vo" ("Musetta's Waltz") from Puccini's La Boheme
> > > (Not such a great aria for a concert performance; you really
> > > need the staging for it to come across, but she sings it
> > > nicely.)
> > >
> > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWnWivspwRE
> > >
> > >
> > > "Sempre libera" from Verdi's Traviata
> > > (From the new Met modern-dress production--a rather outre
> > interpretation of Violetta, but it shows off her acting
> > > ability.)
> > >
> > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFJJ1zFBWgY&feature=endscreen&NR=1
> > >
> > >
> > > "Mad Scene" from Donizetti's Lucia di Lammermoor
> > > (Lucia has just killed her bridegroom. A conventional
> > > production, but the staging of this scene is excellent,
> > > and her performance is blood-chilling. It's a long
> > > scene, over 10 minutes.)
> > >
> > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZX2r8ps9pUg
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "emptybill" emptybill@ wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hah! Yeah … she's like napalm.
> > > >
> > > > But image living with someone with such talent and charisma.
> > > >
> > > > Might easily end up like the performance by Dmitri Hvorostovsky and
> > > > Renee Fleming in post #328213.
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37"  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hotter than hot! There definitely was some cleavage, btw. You must
> > > > have nodded off before they got it, you poor old bastard.
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "emptybill" emptybill@
> > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Oh yeah?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Here is an Anna Netrebko interview where she shows no cleavage
> > but
> > > > ...
> > > > > > it also is "so hot".
> > > > > >
> > > > > > No wonder that video with Dmitri stopped before their actual
> > kiss.
> > > > But
> > > > > > it was on the other video that I saw ... And the audi

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: More Opera 12.04.12 to feste and emptyB

[Share Long]

feste, we adore you for adoring us and emptyB, we adore you for having a 
healthy respect for our trickiness which of course we had to develop to survive 
living with those big strong hairy cavemen prone to slinging us over their 
shoulder.

In his workshop music man Edwin Coppard from Victoria teaches that since cave 
days, women fight dirty.  We had to have strategies and abilities to protect 
the young because we were the last line of defense when the men of the tribe 
were off hunting or warring.

Edwin still has a bit of a Cockney accent and he used much more colorful 
language which I will leave to everyone's imagination.  If only to spare Buck 
who makes me smile just about every single day (-:    




 From: feste37 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, December 5, 2012 8:04 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: More Opera 12.04.12
 

  


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "emptybill"  wrote:
>
> Wonderful performances.
> 
> That mad scene should be a snap-shot for men
> thinking these divas would be simple to deal with
> by a fool - a snap-shot of their own bloody corpse
> that is.
> 
> Feste, be warned. They wouldn't just cut your
> heart out but also put a grenade under your
> body to greet anyone rolling you over.

I know. Mess with them and you're history. That's why I adore them so much. 

> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" 
> wrote:
> >
> > Three Netrebko videos...
> >
> > "Quando m'en vo" ("Musetta's Waltz") from Puccini's La Boheme
> > (Not such a great aria for a concert performance; you really
> > need the staging for it to come across, but she sings it
> > nicely.)
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWnWivspwRE
> >
> >
> > "Sempre libera" from Verdi's Traviata
> > (From the new Met modern-dress production--a rather outre
> interpretation of Violetta, but it shows off her acting
> > ability.)
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFJJ1zFBWgY&feature=endscreen&NR=1
> >
> >
> > "Mad Scene" from Donizetti's Lucia di Lammermoor
> > (Lucia has just killed her bridegroom. A conventional
> > production, but the staging of this scene is excellent,
> > and her performance is blood-chilling. It's a long
> > scene, over 10 minutes.)
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZX2r8ps9pUg
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "emptybill" emptybill@ wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Hah! Yeah … she's like napalm.
> > >
> > > But image living with someone with such talent and charisma.
> > >
> > > Might easily end up like the performance by Dmitri Hvorostovsky and
> > > Renee Fleming in post #328213.
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hotter than hot! There definitely was some cleavage, btw. You must
> > > have nodded off before they got it, you poor old bastard.
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "emptybill" emptybill@
> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Oh yeah?
> > > > >
> > > > > Here is an Anna Netrebko interview where she shows no cleavage
> but
> > > ...
> > > > > it also is "so hot".
> > > > >
> > > > > No wonder that video with Dmitri stopped before their actual
> kiss.
> > > But
> > > > > it was on the other video that I saw ... And the audience loved
> it.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=UgpVoMPGbUA
> > > > >
> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=UgpVoMPGbUA>
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37" 
> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Nice, but not enough cleavage, which is an essential part of a
> > > female
> > > > > opera singer’s repertoire, don’t you think? In
> this
> > > > > regard, the divine Cecilia does not disappoint in the following
> > > clip,
> > > > > especially given the tantalizing possibility of a wardrobe
> > > malfunction,
> > > > > which unfortunately not quite happen (but watch the shoulder
> strap):
> > > > > > http:

[FairfieldLife] Re: More Opera 12.04.12

[feste37]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "emptybill"  wrote:
>
> Wonderful performances.
> 
> That mad scene should be a snap-shot for men
> thinking these divas would be simple to deal with
> by a fool - a snap-shot of their own bloody corpse
> that is.
> 
> Feste, be warned. They wouldn't just cut your
> heart out but also put a grenade under your
> body to greet anyone rolling you over.


I know. Mess with them and you're history. That's why I adore them so much. 

> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" 
> wrote:
> >
> > Three Netrebko videos...
> >
> > "Quando m'en vo" ("Musetta's Waltz") from Puccini's La Boheme
> > (Not such a great aria for a concert performance; you really
> > need the staging for it to come across, but she sings it
> > nicely.)
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWnWivspwRE
> >
> >
> > "Sempre libera" from Verdi's Traviata
> > (From the new Met modern-dress production--a rather outre
> interpretation of Violetta, but it shows off her acting
> > ability.)
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFJJ1zFBWgY&feature=endscreen&NR=1
> >
> >
> > "Mad Scene" from Donizetti's Lucia di Lammermoor
> > (Lucia has just killed her bridegroom. A conventional
> > production, but the staging of this scene is excellent,
> > and her performance is blood-chilling. It's a long
> > scene, over 10 minutes.)
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZX2r8ps9pUg
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "emptybill" emptybill@ wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Hah! Yeah … she's like napalm.
> > >
> > > But image living with someone with such talent and charisma.
> > >
> > > Might easily end up like the performance by Dmitri Hvorostovsky and
> > > Renee Fleming in post #328213.
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hotter than hot! There definitely was some cleavage, btw. You must
> > > have nodded off before they got it, you poor old bastard.
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "emptybill" emptybill@
> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Oh yeah?
> > > > >
> > > > > Here is an Anna Netrebko interview where she shows no cleavage
> but
> > > ...
> > > > > it also is "so hot".
> > > > >
> > > > > No wonder that video with Dmitri stopped before their actual
> kiss.
> > > But
> > > > > it was on the other video that I saw ... And the audience loved
> it.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=UgpVoMPGbUA
> > > > >
> 
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37" 
> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Nice, but not enough cleavage, which is an essential part of a
> > > female
> > > > > opera singer’s repertoire, don’t you think? In
> this
> > > > > regard, the divine Cecilia does not disappoint in the following
> > > clip,
> > > > > especially given the tantalizing possibility of a wardrobe
> > > malfunction,
> > > > > which unfortunately not quite happen (but watch the shoulder
> strap):
> > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DaKX21earkk (Oh, yes, the aria
> is
> > > good
> > > > > too.)
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > My favorite Cecilia is this:
> > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2IeGgk_06I
> > > > > > It’s an aria from a Vivaldi opera and she uses it as an
> > > encore.
> > > > > It’s breathtaking, sensational. I defy anyone to keep
> still
> > > while
> > > > > they watch it. It’s Baroque rock.  And just look at her
> face
> > > when
> > > > > she is finished.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Cecilia is the sort of voluptuous Italian woman that men would
> > > love to
> > > > > have in the kitchen and bedroom. She might be a bit of a handful
> > > though.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Elina G made a great Sesto in the live Met telecast of
> Clemenza di
> > > > > Tito at the weekend. She is so hot.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "emptybill" emptybill@
> > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Two of the best mezzo-sopranos, Elina Garanca and Anna
> Netrebko,
> > > > > sing
> > > > > > > the famous Flower duet (Lakm� Delibes). Doesn't hurt
> that
> > > > > > > they're both as beautiful as the blossoms to which they give
> > > song.
> > > > > > > No wonder men are so easily spellbound.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vf42IP__ipw
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Also,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Dmitri Hvorostovsky and Renee Fleming in a fabulous
> performance
> > > in
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > palace at St. Petersburg
> > > > > > > (a duet from Verdi's Il Travatore).
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GV9rE61kodw&feature=related
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: More Opera 12.04.12

[emptybill]

Wonderful performances.

That mad scene should be a snap-shot for men
thinking these divas would be simple to deal with
by a fool - a snap-shot of their own bloody corpse
that is.

Feste, be warned. They wouldn't just cut your
heart out but also put a grenade under your
body to greet anyone rolling you over.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" 
wrote:
>
> Three Netrebko videos...
>
> "Quando m'en vo" ("Musetta's Waltz") from Puccini's La Boheme
> (Not such a great aria for a concert performance; you really
> need the staging for it to come across, but she sings it
> nicely.)
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWnWivspwRE
>
>
> "Sempre libera" from Verdi's Traviata
> (From the new Met modern-dress production--a rather outre
interpretation of Violetta, but it shows off her acting
> ability.)
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFJJ1zFBWgY&feature=endscreen&NR=1
>
>
> "Mad Scene" from Donizetti's Lucia di Lammermoor
> (Lucia has just killed her bridegroom. A conventional
> production, but the staging of this scene is excellent,
> and her performance is blood-chilling. It's a long
> scene, over 10 minutes.)
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZX2r8ps9pUg
>
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "emptybill" emptybill@ wrote:
> >
> >
> > Hah! Yeah … she's like napalm.
> >
> > But image living with someone with such talent and charisma.
> >
> > Might easily end up like the performance by Dmitri Hvorostovsky and
> > Renee Fleming in post #328213.
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37"  wrote:
> > >
> > > Hotter than hot! There definitely was some cleavage, btw. You must
> > have nodded off before they got it, you poor old bastard.
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "emptybill" emptybill@
wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Oh yeah?
> > > >
> > > > Here is an Anna Netrebko interview where she shows no cleavage
but
> > ...
> > > > it also is "so hot".
> > > >
> > > > No wonder that video with Dmitri stopped before their actual
kiss.
> > But
> > > > it was on the other video that I saw ... And the audience loved
it.
> > > >
> > > >
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=UgpVoMPGbUA
> > > >

> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37" 
wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Nice, but not enough cleavage, which is an essential part of a
> > female
> > > > opera singer’s repertoire, don’t you think? In
this
> > > > regard, the divine Cecilia does not disappoint in the following
> > clip,
> > > > especially given the tantalizing possibility of a wardrobe
> > malfunction,
> > > > which unfortunately not quite happen (but watch the shoulder
strap):
> > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DaKX21earkk (Oh, yes, the aria
is
> > good
> > > > too.)
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > My favorite Cecilia is this:
> > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2IeGgk_06I
> > > > > It’s an aria from a Vivaldi opera and she uses it as an
> > encore.
> > > > It’s breathtaking, sensational. I defy anyone to keep
still
> > while
> > > > they watch it. It’s Baroque rock.  And just look at her
face
> > when
> > > > she is finished.
> > > > >
> > > > > Cecilia is the sort of voluptuous Italian woman that men would
> > love to
> > > > have in the kitchen and bedroom. She might be a bit of a handful
> > though.
> > > > >
> > > > > Elina G made a great Sesto in the live Met telecast of
Clemenza di
> > > > Tito at the weekend. She is so hot.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "emptybill" emptybill@
> > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Two of the best mezzo-sopranos, Elina Garanca and Anna
Netrebko,
> > > > sing
> > > > > > the famous Flower duet (Lakm� Delibes). Doesn't hurt
that
> > > > > > they're both as beautiful as the blossoms to which they give
> > song.
> > > > > > No wonder men are so easily spellbound.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vf42IP__ipw
> > > > > > 
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Also,
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Dmitri Hvorostovsky and Renee Fleming in a fabulous
performance
> > in
> > > > the
> > > > > > palace at St. Petersburg
> > > > > > (a duet from Verdi's Il Travatore).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GV9rE61kodw&feature=related
> > > > > > 
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: More Wednesday Harmony

[laughinggull108]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> > >
> > > Not everybody's cuppa tea (or, given the singer, whiskey),
> > > but definitely mine. As I said before, I'm a sucker for
> > > what Gram Parsons used to call "high mountain harmony,"
> > > two or more voices taking old melodies and soaring into
> > > the stratosphere with them. 
> > 
> > Still on my harmony kick, I'll pass along a different 
> > type of harmony, consisting of "parallel thirds," in
> > which each melody line can stand on its own as a 
> > separate melody, not just in conjunction with the
> > other melody. The masters of this were, of course,
> > the Everly Brothers. 
> > 
> > Here are a couple of more modern performers who also
> > love good harmony -- Jackson Browne and Timothy B. 
> > Schmit (of the Eagles) --  doing their tribute to the 
> > Everlys' style:
> > 
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oaDYWCti5yY
> >
> 
> Now you've done it Barry! If Bob Dylan was the poet of the 60s, then Jackson 
> Browne gave him a run for his money in the 70s. Then there was Fogelberg...we 
> wore HomeFree out the summer of '72 when we needed a "smooth" finish to an 
> evening of hardy partying (if you get what I mean). The first cut off that 
> first album:
> 
> http://youtu.be/-_9qixMYrOg
> 
> RIP Danny Boy...
>

Couldn't resist closing out this Wednesday of Harmony with two more offerings 
from Dan Fogelberg, again from his first album:

http://youtu.be/XdFqqJvL-2Q

http://youtu.be/Fmbx4Y1UmbA

He may have been the most underrated musical poet of the 70s...

[FairfieldLife] Re: More Wednesday Harmony

[laughinggull108]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> >
> > Not everybody's cuppa tea (or, given the singer, whiskey),
> > but definitely mine. As I said before, I'm a sucker for
> > what Gram Parsons used to call "high mountain harmony,"
> > two or more voices taking old melodies and soaring into
> > the stratosphere with them. 
> 
> Still on my harmony kick, I'll pass along a different 
> type of harmony, consisting of "parallel thirds," in
> which each melody line can stand on its own as a 
> separate melody, not just in conjunction with the
> other melody. The masters of this were, of course,
> the Everly Brothers. 
> 
> Here are a couple of more modern performers who also
> love good harmony -- Jackson Browne and Timothy B. 
> Schmit (of the Eagles) --  doing their tribute to the 
> Everlys' style:
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oaDYWCti5yY
>

Now you've done it Barry! If Bob Dylan was the poet of the 60s, then Jackson 
Browne gave him a run for his money in the 70s. Then there was Fogelberg...we 
wore HomeFree out the summer of '72 when we needed a "smooth" finish to an 
evening of hardy partying (if you get what I mean). The first cut off that 
first album:

http://youtu.be/-_9qixMYrOg

RIP Danny Boy...

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: More Wednesday Harmony

[Bhairitu]

On 12/05/2012 04:18 AM, turquoiseb wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108  wrote:
>> Couldn't agree more Barry. I'm a huge fan of both artists.
>> Enjoy this one as my contribution to the Harmony that is
>> Wednesday on FFL:
>>
>> http://youtu.be/_xX5XY49dSU
> Lovely song, and lovely tribute to her mentor and
> discoverer. Emmylou's talent, as commented on by so
> many other artists she's worked with over the years,
> such as Mark Knopfler, is that she's an "intuitive
> harmonist." She doesn't need sheet music or a pre-
> agreement about what type of harmony she's going to
> add to a song, she just picks up the melody after
> the first verse (even if she's never heard it before)
> and adds the perfect harmony part.
>
> A number of musicians have this ability, including
> David Crosby and Graham Nash and, supposedly, Art
> Garfunkel, not to mention a number of Country stars.
> I tend to respect this *spontaneous* ability to add
> just the right harmony part more than I do the
> ability to sit down and chart out the harmonies
> in sheet music and then reproduce them vocally.
> Maybe it's a facet of that area of the brain that
> "lights up" when artists are improvising that I
> posted some research about earlier. You can "feel"
> it through the music.
>
> Gram was a hard-living dude whose lifestyle took
> him out far too early. But his influence on pop
> music was profound. He introduced the Byrds to his
> brand of "high mountain harmonies," and then went
> on to found the seminal country-rock band The Flying
> Burrito Brothers, whose influence is still being felt.
> When he met Emmylou in a club and heard her voice, he
> knew immediately that he'd found his muse.
>
> I once owned an album -- very rare -- that Emmylou
> put out on an obscure label before she ever met Gram,
> and became famous in her own right. It was *terrible*.
> What had happened was that some lame studio exec had
> found her and tried to turn her into a Joni Mitchell
> clone. 
> "Bahd idea."
>
> If you love her voice, and harmony, if you don't know
> her work with Mark Knopfler, or the two "Trio" albums
> she did in conjunction with Dolly Parton and Linda
> Ronstadt, you should. There are some magical moments
> in all of them. Here are a couple from these pairings:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFdxvi2rlTw
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_FLLz4UN2Q
>
>
>

Worked a gig opening for the Byrds when Gram was in it.  He was a high 
energy guy who never seemed to stop playing even off stage. The rest of 
the band hung out with Gram while I hung out with Mike Clark talking 
drums because he had gotten a set of Leedy's after using my Leedy set on 
an previous gig we did with them.  Saw the Burrito Brothers a couple 
times and Gram's own band once.

Saw EmmyLou at BumberShoot sometime in the 1990s.  That was quite a 
show.  I also have her DVD with her Spyboy band which is fusion jazz 
country.

[FairfieldLife] Re: More Wednesday Harmony

[turquoiseb]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> Not everybody's cuppa tea (or, given the singer, whiskey),
> but definitely mine. As I said before, I'm a sucker for
> what Gram Parsons used to call "high mountain harmony,"
> two or more voices taking old melodies and soaring into
> the stratosphere with them. 

Still on my harmony kick, I'll pass along a different 
type of harmony, consisting of "parallel thirds," in
which each melody line can stand on its own as a 
separate melody, not just in conjunction with the
other melody. The masters of this were, of course,
the Everly Brothers. 

Here are a couple of more modern performers who also
love good harmony -- Jackson Browne and Timothy B. 
Schmit (of the Eagles) --  doing their tribute to the 
Everlys' style:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oaDYWCti5yY

[FairfieldLife] Re: More Wednesday Harmony

[turquoiseb]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> Here is a cut from the aforementioned (and unknown to most
> people) folkie Steve Gillette, *much* later in life. He
> and his wife (I think) Cindy perform his most famous song,
> originally made famous by Ian & Sylvia Tyson. I knew him
> from college, so I know the story of this song. He was a 
> music major (Duh!), and wrote this song based on place
> names he'd found while hiking up in the Lake Tahoe area.
> He wanted to create his version of a real folk song. He
> submitted it to his professor as having been found in a 
> book of old Wild West era songs, and got an "A" on the
> project. He only revealed the truth to the prof when he
> found he was about to submit the song to a folklore 
> society as a "new find." :-)
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioKodbNTljg

Sorry. Bad link earlier.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJkB-dBj-HY

[FairfieldLife] Re: More Wednesday Harmony

[turquoiseb]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108  wrote:
>
> Thanks Barry for the background...I could listen all day to 
> the stories you must have hidden in that brain of yours. 
> (Ever thought of writing a book in that vein?) Now you've 
> got me going! Consider this my last contribution for today 
> (at least 'til I get home from work) for the Wednesday that 
> is Harmony on FFL.
> 
> http://youtu.be/B9Ihxi6d1qw

LOL. I don't have all that many stories, and have already
told many of the ones I do have here already. I was never
a musician myself, only on the periphery of the scene back
in the late 60s when some friends and I put on light shows
and promoted concerts and thus hired a lot of the bands of
that era. It was a really FUN time, and something that one
could not easily do today -- we were hippies, after all,
without any money and without insurance. We'd just scrape
together enough money to hire the bands and hire a hall
and hope for the best. But we got to party with the bands,
and experience "trickle down" groupie status, so it was
all worth it. 

I only saw Gram perform with the Byrds and the Burrito Bros,
never with Emmylou. THAT would have been a pairing I'd have
loved to see live. 

I *did* see Linda Ronstadt early, back when she was still
with a group called the Stone Poneys, and occasionally 
dueting with a folkie friend of mine named Steve Gillette.
Then of course I saw her later, after she'd become famous.
She had (and seems to still have, despite the added weight)
a golden set of pipes, and was seemingly incapable of 
missing a note. This was important, because during many of
those years she was so coked up that her mind was a sieve.
You know how some artists have big "cheat sheets" of their
set lists taped to the floor of the stage? Linda had big
sheets containing the *lyrics*, because she could no longer
remember them. But she survived, which is a lot more than
a lot of artists of her generation did. 

Since I woke up in "harmony mode" and you've gotten me
thinking about those days, here's a cut from a group that
had a lot of talent but a fairly short "shelf life," Moby
Grape:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioKodbNTljg

Here is a cut from the aforementioned (and unknown to most
people) folkie Steve Gillette, *much* later in life. He
and his wife (I think) Cindy perform his most famous song,
originally made famous by Ian & Sylvia Tyson. I knew him
from college, so I know the story of this song. He was a 
music major (Duh!), and wrote this song based on place
names he'd found while hiking up in the Lake Tahoe area.
He wanted to create his version of a real folk song. He
submitted it to his professor as having been found in a 
book of old Wild West era songs, and got an "A" on the
project. He only revealed the truth to the prof when he
found he was about to submit the song to a folklore 
society as a "new find." :-)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioKodbNTljg


> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108  wrote:
> > >
> > > Couldn't agree more Barry. I'm a huge fan of both artists. 
> > > Enjoy this one as my contribution to the Harmony that is 
> > > Wednesday on FFL:
> > > 
> > > http://youtu.be/_xX5XY49dSU
> > 
> > Lovely song, and lovely tribute to her mentor and 
> > discoverer. Emmylou's talent, as commented on by so
> > many other artists she's worked with over the years,
> > such as Mark Knopfler, is that she's an "intuitive
> > harmonist." She doesn't need sheet music or a pre-
> > agreement about what type of harmony she's going to
> > add to a song, she just picks up the melody after
> > the first verse (even if she's never heard it before)
> > and adds the perfect harmony part. 
> > 
> > A number of musicians have this ability, including
> > David Crosby and Graham Nash and, supposedly, Art
> > Garfunkel, not to mention a number of Country stars. 
> > I tend to respect this *spontaneous* ability to add
> > just the right harmony part more than I do the 
> > ability to sit down and chart out the harmonies
> > in sheet music and then reproduce them vocally. 
> > Maybe it's a facet of that area of the brain that
> > "lights up" when artists are improvising that I 
> > posted some research about earlier. You can "feel"
> > it through the music. 
> > 
> > Gram was a hard-living dude whose lifestyle took 
> > him out far too early. But his influence on pop 
> > music was profound. He introduced the Byrds to his
> > brand of "high mountain harmonies," and then went
> > on to found the seminal country-rock band The Flying
> > Burrito Brothers, whose influence is still being felt.
> > When he met Emmylou in a club and heard her voice, he 
> > knew immediately that he'd found his muse. 
> > 
> > I once owned an album -- very rare -- that Emmylou
> > put out on an obscure label before she ever met Gram,
> > and became famous in her own right. It was *terrible*. 
> > What had happened was that some lame 

[FairfieldLife] Re: More Wednesday Harmony

[laughinggull108]

Thanks Barry for the background...I could listen all day to the stories you 
must have hidden in that brain of yours. (Ever thought of writing a book in 
that vein?) Now you've got me going! Consider this my last contribution for 
today (at least 'til I get home from work) for the Wednesday that is Harmony on 
FFL.

http://youtu.be/B9Ihxi6d1qw

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108  wrote:
> >
> > Couldn't agree more Barry. I'm a huge fan of both artists. 
> > Enjoy this one as my contribution to the Harmony that is 
> > Wednesday on FFL:
> > 
> > http://youtu.be/_xX5XY49dSU
> 
> Lovely song, and lovely tribute to her mentor and 
> discoverer. Emmylou's talent, as commented on by so
> many other artists she's worked with over the years,
> such as Mark Knopfler, is that she's an "intuitive
> harmonist." She doesn't need sheet music or a pre-
> agreement about what type of harmony she's going to
> add to a song, she just picks up the melody after
> the first verse (even if she's never heard it before)
> and adds the perfect harmony part. 
> 
> A number of musicians have this ability, including
> David Crosby and Graham Nash and, supposedly, Art
> Garfunkel, not to mention a number of Country stars. 
> I tend to respect this *spontaneous* ability to add
> just the right harmony part more than I do the 
> ability to sit down and chart out the harmonies
> in sheet music and then reproduce them vocally. 
> Maybe it's a facet of that area of the brain that
> "lights up" when artists are improvising that I 
> posted some research about earlier. You can "feel"
> it through the music. 
> 
> Gram was a hard-living dude whose lifestyle took 
> him out far too early. But his influence on pop 
> music was profound. He introduced the Byrds to his
> brand of "high mountain harmonies," and then went
> on to found the seminal country-rock band The Flying
> Burrito Brothers, whose influence is still being felt.
> When he met Emmylou in a club and heard her voice, he 
> knew immediately that he'd found his muse. 
> 
> I once owned an album -- very rare -- that Emmylou
> put out on an obscure label before she ever met Gram,
> and became famous in her own right. It was *terrible*. 
> What had happened was that some lame studio exec had
> found her and tried to turn her into a Joni Mitchell
> clone. 
> "Bahd idea." 
> 
> If you love her voice, and harmony, if you don't know
> her work with Mark Knopfler, or the two "Trio" albums
> she did in conjunction with Dolly Parton and Linda
> Ronstadt, you should. There are some magical moments
> in all of them. Here are a couple from these pairings:
> 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFdxvi2rlTw
> 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_FLLz4UN2Q
> 
> 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> > >
> > > Not everybody's cuppa tea (or, given the singer, whiskey),
> > > but definitely mine. As I said before, I'm a sucker for
> > > what Gram Parsons used to call "high mountain harmony,"
> > > two or more voices taking old melodies and soaring into
> > > the stratosphere with them. Few have ever done this as
> > > well as Gram did on his album "Grievous Angel," singing
> > > with the then-unknown Emmylou Harris. 
> > > 
> > > I'm a Roy Orbison fan, but even he admitted that this
> > > is the best version of his song ever recorded:
> > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLUPWHTaceE&feature=fvsr
> > > 
> > > The classic "road song,"...I just love Emmylou's rise
> > > at the end:
> > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1PytxPaU6k4
> > > 
> > > A prayer, of sorts...with the ultimate Prodigal Son
> > > singing in the choir alongside the angel:
> > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERhhkjqDGsA&feature=BFa&list=AL94UKMTqg-9AndbSIHNuXsqW0DsVuIK3H
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: More Wednesday Harmony

[turquoiseb]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108  wrote:
>
> Couldn't agree more Barry. I'm a huge fan of both artists. 
> Enjoy this one as my contribution to the Harmony that is 
> Wednesday on FFL:
> 
> http://youtu.be/_xX5XY49dSU

Lovely song, and lovely tribute to her mentor and 
discoverer. Emmylou's talent, as commented on by so
many other artists she's worked with over the years,
such as Mark Knopfler, is that she's an "intuitive
harmonist." She doesn't need sheet music or a pre-
agreement about what type of harmony she's going to
add to a song, she just picks up the melody after
the first verse (even if she's never heard it before)
and adds the perfect harmony part. 

A number of musicians have this ability, including
David Crosby and Graham Nash and, supposedly, Art
Garfunkel, not to mention a number of Country stars. 
I tend to respect this *spontaneous* ability to add
just the right harmony part more than I do the 
ability to sit down and chart out the harmonies
in sheet music and then reproduce them vocally. 
Maybe it's a facet of that area of the brain that
"lights up" when artists are improvising that I 
posted some research about earlier. You can "feel"
it through the music. 

Gram was a hard-living dude whose lifestyle took 
him out far too early. But his influence on pop 
music was profound. He introduced the Byrds to his
brand of "high mountain harmonies," and then went
on to found the seminal country-rock band The Flying
Burrito Brothers, whose influence is still being felt.
When he met Emmylou in a club and heard her voice, he 
knew immediately that he'd found his muse. 

I once owned an album -- very rare -- that Emmylou
put out on an obscure label before she ever met Gram,
and became famous in her own right. It was *terrible*. 
What had happened was that some lame studio exec had
found her and tried to turn her into a Joni Mitchell
clone. 
"Bahd idea." 

If you love her voice, and harmony, if you don't know
her work with Mark Knopfler, or the two "Trio" albums
she did in conjunction with Dolly Parton and Linda
Ronstadt, you should. There are some magical moments
in all of them. Here are a couple from these pairings:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFdxvi2rlTw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_FLLz4UN2Q


> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> >
> > Not everybody's cuppa tea (or, given the singer, whiskey),
> > but definitely mine. As I said before, I'm a sucker for
> > what Gram Parsons used to call "high mountain harmony,"
> > two or more voices taking old melodies and soaring into
> > the stratosphere with them. Few have ever done this as
> > well as Gram did on his album "Grievous Angel," singing
> > with the then-unknown Emmylou Harris. 
> > 
> > I'm a Roy Orbison fan, but even he admitted that this
> > is the best version of his song ever recorded:
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLUPWHTaceE&feature=fvsr
> > 
> > The classic "road song,"...I just love Emmylou's rise
> > at the end:
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1PytxPaU6k4
> > 
> > A prayer, of sorts...with the ultimate Prodigal Son
> > singing in the choir alongside the angel:
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERhhkjqDGsA&feature=BFa&list=AL94UKMTqg-9AndbSIHNuXsqW0DsVuIK3H
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: More Wednesday Harmony

[laughinggull108]

Couldn't agree more Barry. I'm a huge fan of both artists. Enjoy this one as my 
contribution to the Harmony that is Wednesday on FFL:

http://youtu.be/_xX5XY49dSU

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> Not everybody's cuppa tea (or, given the singer, whiskey),
> but definitely mine. As I said before, I'm a sucker for
> what Gram Parsons used to call "high mountain harmony,"
> two or more voices taking old melodies and soaring into
> the stratosphere with them. Few have ever done this as
> well as Gram did on his album "Grievous Angel," singing
> with the then-unknown Emmylou Harris. 
> 
> I'm a Roy Orbison fan, but even he admitted that this
> is the best version of his song ever recorded:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLUPWHTaceE&feature=fvsr
> 
> The classic "road song,"...I just love Emmylou's rise
> at the end:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1PytxPaU6k4
> 
> A prayer, of sorts...with the ultimate Prodigal Son
> singing in the choir alongside the angel:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERhhkjqDGsA&feature=BFa&list=AL94UKMTqg-9AndbSIHNuXsqW0DsVuIK3H
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: More Opera 12.04.12

[authfriend]

Three Netrebko videos...

"Quando m'en vo" ("Musetta's Waltz") from Puccini's La Boheme
(Not such a great aria for a concert performance; you really
need the staging for it to come across, but she sings it 
nicely.)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWnWivspwRE


"Sempre libera" from Verdi's Traviata
(From the new Met modern-dress production--a rather outre interpretation of 
Violetta, but it shows off her acting
ability.)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFJJ1zFBWgY&feature=endscreen&NR=1


"Mad Scene" from Donizetti's Lucia di Lammermoor
(Lucia has just killed her bridegroom. A conventional
production, but the staging of this scene is excellent,
and her performance is blood-chilling. It's a long
scene, over 10 minutes.)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZX2r8ps9pUg



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "emptybill"  wrote:
>
> 
> Hah! Yeah … she's like napalm.
> 
> But image living with someone with such talent and charisma.
> 
> Might easily end up like the performance by Dmitri Hvorostovsky and
> Renee Fleming in post #328213.
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37"  wrote:
> >
> > Hotter than hot! There definitely was some cleavage, btw. You must
> have nodded off before they got it, you poor old bastard.
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "emptybill" emptybill@ wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Oh yeah?
> > >
> > > Here is an Anna Netrebko interview where she shows no cleavage but
> ...
> > > it also is "so hot".
> > >
> > > No wonder that video with Dmitri stopped before their actual kiss.
> But
> > > it was on the other video that I saw ... And the audience loved it.
> > >
> > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=UgpVoMPGbUA
> > > 
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Nice, but not enough cleavage, which is an essential part of a
> female
> > > opera singer’s repertoire, don’t you think? In this
> > > regard, the divine Cecilia does not disappoint in the following
> clip,
> > > especially given the tantalizing possibility of a wardrobe
> malfunction,
> > > which unfortunately not quite happen (but watch the shoulder strap):
> > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DaKX21earkk (Oh, yes, the aria is
> good
> > > too.)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > My favorite Cecilia is this:
> > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2IeGgk_06I
> > > > It’s an aria from a Vivaldi opera and she uses it as an
> encore.
> > > It’s breathtaking, sensational. I defy anyone to keep still
> while
> > > they watch it. It’s Baroque rock.  And just look at her face
> when
> > > she is finished.
> > > >
> > > > Cecilia is the sort of voluptuous Italian woman that men would
> love to
> > > have in the kitchen and bedroom. She might be a bit of a handful
> though.
> > > >
> > > > Elina G made a great Sesto in the live Met telecast of Clemenza di
> > > Tito at the weekend. She is so hot.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "emptybill" emptybill@
> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Two of the best mezzo-sopranos, Elina Garanca and Anna Netrebko,
> > > sing
> > > > > the famous Flower duet (Lakm� Delibes). Doesn't hurt that
> > > > > they're both as beautiful as the blossoms to which they give
> song.
> > > > > No wonder men are so easily spellbound.
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vf42IP__ipw
> > > > > 
> > > > >
> > > > > Also,
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Dmitri Hvorostovsky and Renee Fleming in a fabulous performance
> in
> > > the
> > > > > palace at St. Petersburg
> > > > > (a duet from Verdi's Il Travatore).
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GV9rE61kodw&feature=related
> > > > > 
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: More Opera 12.04.12

[emptybill]

Hah! Yeah … she's like napalm.

But image living with someone with such talent and charisma.

Might easily end up like the performance by Dmitri Hvorostovsky and
Renee Fleming in post #328213.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37"  wrote:
>
> Hotter than hot! There definitely was some cleavage, btw. You must
have nodded off before they got it, you poor old bastard.
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "emptybill" emptybill@ wrote:
> >
> >
> > Oh yeah?
> >
> > Here is an Anna Netrebko interview where she shows no cleavage but
...
> > it also is "so hot".
> >
> > No wonder that video with Dmitri stopped before their actual kiss.
But
> > it was on the other video that I saw ... And the audience loved it.
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=UgpVoMPGbUA
> > 
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37"  wrote:
> > >
> > > Nice, but not enough cleavage, which is an essential part of a
female
> > opera singer’s repertoire, don’t you think? In this
> > regard, the divine Cecilia does not disappoint in the following
clip,
> > especially given the tantalizing possibility of a wardrobe
malfunction,
> > which unfortunately not quite happen (but watch the shoulder strap):
> > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DaKX21earkk (Oh, yes, the aria is
good
> > too.)
> > >
> > >
> > > My favorite Cecilia is this:
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2IeGgk_06I
> > > It’s an aria from a Vivaldi opera and she uses it as an
encore.
> > It’s breathtaking, sensational. I defy anyone to keep still
while
> > they watch it. It’s Baroque rock.  And just look at her face
when
> > she is finished.
> > >
> > > Cecilia is the sort of voluptuous Italian woman that men would
love to
> > have in the kitchen and bedroom. She might be a bit of a handful
though.
> > >
> > > Elina G made a great Sesto in the live Met telecast of Clemenza di
> > Tito at the weekend. She is so hot.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "emptybill" emptybill@
wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Two of the best mezzo-sopranos, Elina Garanca and Anna Netrebko,
> > sing
> > > > the famous Flower duet (Lakm� Delibes). Doesn't hurt that
> > > > they're both as beautiful as the blossoms to which they give
song.
> > > > No wonder men are so easily spellbound.
> > > >
> > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vf42IP__ipw
> > > > 
> > > >
> > > > Also,
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Dmitri Hvorostovsky and Renee Fleming in a fabulous performance
in
> > the
> > > > palace at St. Petersburg
> > > > (a duet from Verdi's Il Travatore).
> > > >
> > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GV9rE61kodw&feature=related
> > > > 
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: More Opera 12.04.12

[feste37]

Hotter than hot! There definitely was some cleavage, btw. You must have nodded 
off before they got it, you poor old bastard. 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "emptybill"  wrote:
>
> 
> Oh yeah?
> 
> Here is an Anna Netrebko interview where she shows no cleavage but ...
> it also is "so hot".
> 
> No wonder that video with Dmitri stopped before their actual kiss. But
> it was on the other video that I saw ... And the audience loved it.
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=UgpVoMPGbUA
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37"  wrote:
> >
> > Nice, but not enough cleavage, which is an essential part of a female
> opera singer’s repertoire, don’t you think? In this
> regard, the divine Cecilia does not disappoint in the following clip,
> especially given the tantalizing possibility of a wardrobe malfunction,
> which unfortunately not quite happen (but watch the shoulder strap):
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DaKX21earkk (Oh, yes, the aria is good
> too.)
> >
> >
> > My favorite Cecilia is this:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2IeGgk_06I
> > It’s an aria from a Vivaldi opera and she uses it as an encore.
> It’s breathtaking, sensational. I defy anyone to keep still while
> they watch it. It’s Baroque rock.  And just look at her face when
> she is finished.
> >
> > Cecilia is the sort of voluptuous Italian woman that men would love to
> have in the kitchen and bedroom. She might be a bit of a handful though.
> >
> > Elina G made a great Sesto in the live Met telecast of Clemenza di
> Tito at the weekend. She is so hot.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "emptybill" emptybill@ wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Two of the best mezzo-sopranos, Elina Garanca and Anna Netrebko,
> sing
> > > the famous Flower duet (Lakm� Delibes). Doesn't hurt that
> > > they're both as beautiful as the blossoms to which they give song.
> > > No wonder men are so easily spellbound.
> > >
> > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vf42IP__ipw
> > > 
> > >
> > > Also,
> > >
> > >
> > > Dmitri Hvorostovsky and Renee Fleming in a fabulous performance in
> the
> > > palace at St. Petersburg
> > > (a duet from Verdi's Il Travatore).
> > >
> > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GV9rE61kodw&feature=related
> > > 
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: More Opera 12.04.12

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "emptybill"  wrote:
> 
> Two of the best mezzo-sopranos, Elina Garanca and Anna Netrebko, 
> sing the famous Flower duet (Lakmé Delibes). Doesn't hurt that
> they're both as beautiful as the blossoms to which they give song.
> No wonder men are so easily spellbound.
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vf42IP__ipw
> 
>
>
> 
> Also,
> 
> Dmitri Hvorostovsky and Renee Fleming in a fabulous 
> performance in the palace at St. Petersburg (a duet from
> Verdi's Il Travatore).

YEOW!!

Have the smelling salts handy. This really packs a wallop.

> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GV9rE61kodw&feature=related
> 

[FairfieldLife] Re: More Opera 12.04.12

[emptybill]

Oh yeah?

Here is an Anna Netrebko interview where she shows no cleavage but ...
it also is "so hot".

No wonder that video with Dmitri stopped before their actual kiss. But
it was on the other video that I saw ... And the audience loved it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=UgpVoMPGbUA





--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37"  wrote:
>
> Nice, but not enough cleavage, which is an essential part of a female
opera singer’s repertoire, don’t you think? In this
regard, the divine Cecilia does not disappoint in the following clip,
especially given the tantalizing possibility of a wardrobe malfunction,
which unfortunately not quite happen (but watch the shoulder strap):
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DaKX21earkk (Oh, yes, the aria is good
too.)
>
>
> My favorite Cecilia is this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2IeGgk_06I
> It’s an aria from a Vivaldi opera and she uses it as an encore.
It’s breathtaking, sensational. I defy anyone to keep still while
they watch it. It’s Baroque rock.  And just look at her face when
she is finished.
>
> Cecilia is the sort of voluptuous Italian woman that men would love to
have in the kitchen and bedroom. She might be a bit of a handful though.
>
> Elina G made a great Sesto in the live Met telecast of Clemenza di
Tito at the weekend. She is so hot.
>
>
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "emptybill" emptybill@ wrote:
> >
> >
> > Two of the best mezzo-sopranos, Elina Garanca and Anna Netrebko,
sing
> > the famous Flower duet (Lakm� Delibes). Doesn't hurt that
> > they're both as beautiful as the blossoms to which they give song.
> > No wonder men are so easily spellbound.
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vf42IP__ipw
> > 
> >
> > Also,
> >
> >
> > Dmitri Hvorostovsky and Renee Fleming in a fabulous performance in
the
> > palace at St. Petersburg
> > (a duet from Verdi's Il Travatore).
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GV9rE61kodw&feature=related
> > 
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: More Opera 12.04.12

[emptybill]

Thanks for that. It was hilarious.
But did "she" have breast reduction surgery?

What these divas will do to stay competitive.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37" feste37@ wrote:
> 
> > My favorite Cecilia is this:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2IeGgk_06I
> > Its an aria from a Vivaldi opera and she uses it as an encore.
> > Its breathtaking, sensational. I defy anyone to keep still
> > while they watch it. Its Baroque rock.  And just look at her
> > face when she is finished.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdQU-N8b3HA
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: More Opera 12.04.12

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37"  wrote:

> My favorite Cecilia is this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2IeGgk_06I
> Its an aria from a Vivaldi opera and she uses it as an encore.
> Its breathtaking, sensational. I defy anyone to keep still
> while they watch it. Its Baroque rock.  And just look at her
> face when she is finished. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdQU-N8b3HA

[FairfieldLife] Re: More Opera 12.04.12

[merudanda]

Elina G ..

G?G-Effect...G-Force?
from G-Factor.. to G-Spot? [:D]

decide yourself


during recording

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQR9d8Y96hY

during concert
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aE0HXHirY7U


  Clemenza di Tito
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMX-s0L2wLo

Clemenza di Tito
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhJjY-ohBSk


the great B
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=roo34ysqc4Y



  
all without "wardrobe malfunction" I think-I hope- oh feste,feste37 why
oh why you mentioned?


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37"  wrote:
>
> Nice, but not enough cleavage, which is an essential part of a female
opera singer’s repertoire, don’t you think? In this
regard, the divine Cecilia does not disappoint in the following clip,
especially given the tantalizing possibility of a wardrobe malfunction,
which unfortunately not quite happen (but watch the shoulder strap):
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DaKX21earkk (Oh, yes, the aria is good
too.)
>
>
> My favorite Cecilia is this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2IeGgk_06I
> It’s an aria from a Vivaldi opera and she uses it as an encore.
It’s breathtaking, sensational. I defy anyone to keep still while
they watch it. It’s Baroque rock.  And just look at her face when
she is finished.
>
> Cecilia is the sort of voluptuous Italian woman that men would love to
have in the kitchen and bedroom. She might be a bit of a handful though.
>
> Elina G made a great Sesto in the live Met telecast of Clemenza di
Tito at the weekend. She is so hot.
>
>
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "emptybill" emptybill@ wrote:
> >
> >
> > Two of the best mezzo-sopranos, Elina Garanca and Anna Netrebko,
sing
> > the famous Flower duet (Lakm� Delibes). Doesn't hurt that
> > they're both as beautiful as the blossoms to which they give song.
> > No wonder men are so easily spellbound.
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vf42IP__ipw
> > 
> >
> > Also,
> >
> >
> > Dmitri Hvorostovsky and Renee Fleming in a fabulous performance in
the
> > palace at St. Petersburg
> > (a duet from Verdi's Il Travatore).
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GV9rE61kodw&feature=related
> > 
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: More Opera

[raunchydog]

You're an amazing poet, merudanda. I love you. Thanks for gracing us with your 
beauty.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merudanda  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCPufE8AeMg
> 
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6hKiM1zT2Y
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Bravissimo "empty one "now a dream cast away in bitter winds, a
> hope slaughtered in dark, a heart punctured upon itself with ancient
> works of Muse long lost to time.
> 
> Yes
> 
> And when all the opera's end, and all
> All FFL's crowd has dimmed,
> 
> When Golden Dome's wings are left to
> Be empty, and our stories are all done,
> We may sing a last eulogy and force it on
> Robin's raven wing, so that to the night, the
> Shining moon would cry with a wolf. The tears of a
> Rose would douse a flame which could not be quenched.
> The rotting of words, it too bicuspid
> Opulence could streak a frown across the
> Horizon with its somber, dismal inks
> 
> Drowning all passion thick, all zeal
> Tore and cast to the wind of all prudence-
> 
> Thorns of roses piercing our dreadful heart
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> So throughout the night the stars will sing to
> Our emptybill's praises with more fervor than the now
> Closed opus: Yet a light will creep over us,
> 
>   Opened ways within us, we weep more
> Recognizing our solitude in our partners.
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "emptybill"  wrote:
> >
> >
> > Robin
> >
> > Don't despair. You can keep your precious first person ontology.
> > However, when you get to heaven, Judy will be waiting to show why you
> > won't need it. I have seen this and it will indeed be her
> > transformed presence showing you what now awaits you. Out of an excess
> > of secret humility, she won't admit this on a public forum but the
> > Dakini-s have shown me the reality.
> >
> > This is the truth of real Tantra (anuttara yoga-tantra) where sacred
> > vision reveals sacred world.
> >
> > This is why the Neo-platonists (pagan and christian) knew that the
> > intelligences dancing this cosmos were not your supposed Vedic demons
> > (nor Zorastrian-Semitic either) but theophanic celestials pointing out
> > the Way.
> >
> > Here's the real Judy and paraphrasing St. Anthony …"I have seen
> > Her".
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J67vh5DRURY&feature=watch-vrec
> > 
> >
> >
> > As for Hvorostovsky:
> >
> > Here he is (before he later became the grey Lion) singing with the
> great
> > Parvarotti.
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgwWQyGioz8
> > 
> >
> > And here he is with the exquisite Anna Netrebko:
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36vm2VoXuXA
> > 
> >
> > Also … Think these people can only sing with trilled r's? Here
> > he is in a video that became a YouTube sensation … (It is also a
> > remembrance of the era of Stalin's terror)
> >
> > Kak molody my byli (How young we were)
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GU1jUiXOJpo
> > 
> >
> > Turn around unknown stranger
> >
> > Your uncompromising look is familiar
> >
> > Maybe that is me … when I was younger
> >
> > We don't always recognize ourselves but
> >
> > Nothing on Earth passes without leaving a trace
> >
> > And this youth, which has passed, is after all undying ...
> >
> > How young we were, how truly young we were
> >
> > How we loved without doubt, believed in ourselves
> >
> > Everyone welcomed us with our sincere belief
> >
> > We forgave our friends when they were wrong
> >
> > But their treachery we couldn't forgive
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robin Carlsen" maskedzebra@
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Dear Emptybill,
> > >
> > > Dmitri is the first voice I will listen to in the morning. What he
> is
> > making happen here (in this aria) is my aesthetic ideal. I want to be
> > where he is to sing like this.
> > >
> > > Fabulous post, emptybill.
> > >
> > > I am switching from first person ontology to opera.
> > >
> > > Robin
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "emptybill" emptybill@ wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Emily,
> > > >
> > > > Here's the famous aria Largo al factotum from Rossini's The
> > > > Barber of Seville (Il Barbiere desiviglia). You'll understand why
> > > > you'llnever see this on American Idol or Britain's Got talent.
> > > >
> > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKDXr_fimQ8&feature=related
> > > > 
> > > >
> > > > Enjoy
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >   
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: More Opera

[Robin Carlsen]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "emptybill"  wrote:
>
> 
> Robin
> 
> Don't despair. You can keep your precious first person ontology.
> However, when you get to heaven, Judy will be waiting to show why you
> won't need it. I have seen this and it will indeed be her
> transformed presence showing you what now awaits you. Out of an excess
> of secret humility, she won't admit this on a public forum but the
> Dakini-s have shown me the reality.
> 
> This is the truth of real Tantra (anuttara yoga-tantra) where sacred
> vision reveals sacred world.
> 
> This is why the Neo-platonists (pagan and christian) knew that the
> intelligences dancing this cosmos were not your supposed Vedic demons
> (nor Zorastrian-Semitic either) but theophanic celestials pointing out
> the Way.
> 
> Here's the real Judy and paraphrasing St. Anthony …"I have seen
> Her".
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J67vh5DRURY&feature=watch-vrec
> 
> 
> 
> As for Hvorostovsky:
> 
> Here he is (before he later became the grey Lion) singing with the great
> Parvarotti.
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgwWQyGioz8
> 
> 
> And here he is with the exquisite Anna Netrebko:
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36vm2VoXuXA
> 
> 
> Also … Think these people can only sing with trilled r's? Here
> he is in a video that became a YouTube sensation … (It is also a
> remembrance of the era of Stalin's terror)
> 
> Kak molody my byli (How young we were)
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GU1jUiXOJpo
> 
> 
> Turn around unknown stranger
> 
> Your uncompromising look is familiar
> 
> Maybe that is me … when I was younger
> 
> We don't always recognize ourselves but
> 
> Nothing on Earth passes without leaving a trace
> 
> And this youth, which has passed, is after all undying ...
> 
> How young we were, how truly young we were
> 
> How we loved without doubt, believed in ourselves
> 
> Everyone welcomed us with our sincere belief
> 
> We forgave our friends when they were wrong
> 
> But their treachery we couldn't forgive

Dear Emptybill,

Wonderful.  All of it. I envy your knowledge of opera--no longer do I envy your 
love of it, for Dmitri Hvorostovsky has made me realize how beautiful opera is. 
I have a multitude of reactions, but the way Anna Netrebka looked into the eyes 
of Dmitri Hvorostovsky--as she sang to him--was the realization of an objective 
intimacy which, for me, represents about as personally intense as first person 
ontology can get! She was confronting him with the beauty of her character, 
held inside the extreme discipline of the aesthetic of opera. That was better 
than a WTS--but I certainly recognized the tremendous influx of what is most 
real (in its stillness)--although taking place within the artifice of the art 
form of opera. Thank you for so much for this, emptybill--Had I known you were 
so aware of this world I would have tried to find something more in our 
dialogues than I was able to find without this knowledge (and 
initiation)--Beginning with the aria: Largo al factotum from Rossini's Il 
Barbiere Desviglia (The Barber of Seville) I knew I had missed out on some 
important dimension of emptybill. And what has come afterwards: well, now I 
have to go through your posts with authfriend--which I will do before the day 
is finished. Magnificent. Dmitri, well he is better than Elvis. If first-person 
ontology had various state of consciousness, one would be DHC--when he is 
performing, that is. Dimitri Hvorostovsky is more disciplined than any athlete, 
more devoted to his art than any monk is to God (nowadays), and he has the 
supreme experience of that sensation of egotism which comes from having 
attained all the individual grace that was possible in making his voice sing 
those notes.

Robin
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robin Carlsen" 
> wrote:
> >
> > Dear Emptybill,
> >
> > Dmitri is the first voice I will listen to in the morning. What he is
> making happen here (in this aria) is my aesthetic ideal. I want to be
> where he is to sing like this.
> >
> > Fabulous post, emptybill.
> >
> > I am switching from first person ontology to opera.
> >
> > Robin
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "emptybill" emptybill@ wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Emily,
> > >
> > > Here's the famous aria Largo al factotum from Rossini's The
> > > Barber of Seville (Il Barbiere desiviglia). You'll understand why
> > > you'llnever see this on American Idol or Britain's Got talent.
> > >
> > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKDXr_fimQ8&feature=related
> > > 
> > >
> > > Enjoy
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >   
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: More Opera 12.04.12

[feste37]

Nice, but not enough cleavage, which is an essential part of a female opera 
singer’s repertoire, don’t you think? In this regard, the divine Cecilia 
does not disappoint in the following clip, especially given the tantalizing 
possibility of a wardrobe malfunction, which unfortunately not quite happen 
(but watch the shoulder strap): 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DaKX21earkk (Oh, yes, the aria is good too.) 


My favorite Cecilia is this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2IeGgk_06I
It’s an aria from a Vivaldi opera and she uses it as an encore. It’s 
breathtaking, sensational. I defy anyone to keep still while they watch it. 
It’s Baroque rock.  And just look at her face when she is finished. 

Cecilia is the sort of voluptuous Italian woman that men would love to have in 
the kitchen and bedroom. She might be a bit of a handful though. 

Elina G made a great Sesto in the live Met telecast of Clemenza di Tito at the 
weekend. She is so hot.




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "emptybill"  wrote:
>
> 
> Two of the best mezzo-sopranos, Elina Garanca and Anna Netrebko, sing
> the famous Flower duet (Lakm� Delibes). Doesn't hurt that
> they're both as beautiful as the blossoms to which they give song.
> No wonder men are so easily spellbound.
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vf42IP__ipw
> 
> 
> Also,
> 
> 
> Dmitri Hvorostovsky and Renee Fleming in a fabulous performance in the
> palace at St. Petersburg
> (a duet from Verdi's Il Travatore).
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GV9rE61kodw&feature=related
> 
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: More Opera

[card]

Yep, but preferably not French, Russian, or (drum roll.),
African! Too stochastic for me! ;-)



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn  wrote:
>
> Whatever...what a great songisn't it great to have rhythm, card?  
> 
> 

[FairfieldLife] Re: More Opera

[card]

BTW, I think it's possible that native speakers of English

might hear the *qualitative* difference between short (hrasva) and long

(diirgha) a-sound in Sanskrit easier than for instance myself, because they are

accustomed, so to speak, to reduced vowels, whereas

I prolly hear easier the difference in their length, because vowel

length is a so called distinctive feature in Finnish as well

as in Sanskrit!?



For instance:



Finnish 'sama' (same), 'saama' ([something] acquired [by someone])



(In context:  Saama-ni soma siima: The cute [soma] (fishing)line

[siima] acquired [saama] by me [-ni].)





Sanskrit 'sama' (same), 'saama(n)':



2 sAman 1 n. (fr. 1. %{sA} = 1. %{san}) acquisition , possession , property ,

wealth , abundance RV. VS.



3 sAman 2 n. (m. only in TBr. ; prob. connected with %{sAntv} ; accord. to some

fr. 1. %{sA} ; cf. 3. %{sAman}) calming , tranquillizing , (esp.) kind or gentle

words for winning an adversary , conciliation , negotiation (one of the 4

Upa7yas or means of success against an enemy , the other 3 being %{dAna} ,

%{bheda} , and %{daNDa} , qq. vv. ; ibc. or instr. sg. and pl. , `" by friendly

means or in a friendly way , willingly , voluntarily "') TBr. &c. &c.

4 sAman 3 n. (of doubtful derivation ; accord. to Un2. iv , 152 fr. %{so} = 2.

%{sA} , as `" destroying sin "' ; in Nir. vii , 12 apparently connected with

%{sammita} ; by others derived fr. 1. %{san} , %{sA} , %{sAntv} , and perhaps

not to be separated fr. 1. and 2. %{sAman}) a metrical hymn or song of praise ,

(esp.) a partic. kind of sacred text or verse called a Sa1man (intended to be

chanted , and forming , with %{Rc} , %{yajus} , %{chandas} , one of the 4 kinds

of Vedic composition mentioned first in RV. x , 90 , 9) RV. &c. &c. ; any song

or tune (sacred or profane , also the hum of bees) MBh. Ka1v. &c. ; the faculty

of uttering sounds (?) TBr. (Sch.)



sIman m. (see 2. %{sI} and %{sItA}) a separation or parting of the hair so as to

leave a line AV. Br. AitUp. ; a suture of the skull L. ; f. or n. a boundary ,

border , bounds , limit , margin , frontier (lit. and fig.) Ya1jn5. Ka1v. Pur. ;

f. a ridge serving to mark the boundary of a field or village A1past. VarBr2S. ;

a bank , shore L. ; the horizon L. ; the utmost limit of anything , furthest

extent , summit , acme , ne plus ultra Ka1v. Inscr. ; the scrotum Pat. on Pa1n2.

2-3 , 36 ; a partic. high number Buddh. ; the nape of the neck L.

[FairfieldLife] Re: More Opera

[card]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "card"  wrote:
>
> 
> I doubt that because Sanskrit vowels (save *short* a-sound) are "pure", like 
> those e.g. in Italian and Finnish, whereas that Russian i-like sound (as in 
> 'bit') would be, I believe, described as reduced (not sure about that, 
> though), like many vowels for instance in English.
> 

BTW, I think it's possible that native speakers of English
might hear the *qualitative* difference between short (hrasva) and long 
(diirgha) a-sound in Sanskrit easier that for instance myself, because they are 
accustomed, so to speak, to reduced vowels, whereas
I prolly hear easier the difference in their length, because vowel
length is a so called distinctive feature in Finnish as well
as in Sanskrit!? 

For intance:

Finnish 'sama' (same), 'saama' ([something] acquired [by someone])

(In context:  Saama-ni soma siima: The cute [soma] (fishing)line
[siima] acquired [saama] by me [-ni].)


Sanskrit 'sama' (same), 'saama(n)':

2   sAman   1 n. (fr. 1. %{sA} = 1. %{san}) acquisition , possession , 
property , wealth , abundance RV. VS.

3   sAman   2 n. (m. only in TBr. ; prob. connected with %{sAntv} ; accord. 
to some fr. 1. %{sA} ; cf. 3. %{sAman}) calming , tranquillizing , (esp.) kind 
or gentle words for winning an adversary , conciliation , negotiation (one of 
the 4 Upa7yas or means of success against an enemy , the other 3 being %{dAna} 
, %{bheda} , and %{daNDa} , qq. vv. ; ibc. or instr. sg. and pl. , `" by 
friendly means or in a friendly way , willingly , voluntarily "') TBr. &c. &c.
4   sAman   3 n. (of doubtful derivation ; accord. to Un2. iv , 152 fr. 
%{so} = 2. %{sA} , as `" destroying sin "' ; in Nir. vii , 12 apparently 
connected with %{sammita} ; by others derived fr. 1. %{san} , %{sA} , %{sAntv} 
, and perhaps not to be separated fr. 1. and 2. %{sAman}) a metrical hymn or 
song of praise , (esp.) a partic. kind of sacred text or verse called a Sa1man 
(intended to be chanted , and forming , with %{Rc} , %{yajus} , %{chandas} , 
one of the 4 kinds of Vedic composition mentioned first in RV. x , 90 , 9) RV. 
&c. &c. ; any song or tune (sacred or profane , also the hum of bees) MBh. 
Ka1v. &c. ; the faculty of uttering sounds (?) TBr. (Sch.)

sIman   m. (see 2. %{sI} and %{sItA}) a separation or parting of the hair so as 
to leave a line AV. Br. AitUp. ; a suture of the skull L. ; f. or n. a boundary 
, border , bounds , limit , margin , frontier (lit. and fig.) Ya1jn5. Ka1v. 
Pur. ; f. a ridge serving to mark the boundary of a field or village A1past. 
VarBr2S. ; a bank , shore L. ; the horizon L. ; the utmost limit of anything , 
furthest extent , summit , acme , ne plus ultra Ka1v. Inscr. ; the scrotum Pat. 
on Pa1n2. 2-3 , 36 ; a partic. high number Buddh. ; the nape of the neck L.

[FairfieldLife] Re: More Opera

[card]

I doubt that because Sanskrit vowels (save *short* a-sound) are "pure", like 
those e.g. in Italian and Finnish, whereas that Russian i-like sound (as in 
'bit') would be, I believe, described as reduced (not sure about that, though), 
like many vowels for instance in English.



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "emptybill"  wrote:
>
> Can it be described in Sanskrit's five points of vocal articulation?
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "card"  wrote:
> >
> > > Kak molody my byli (How young we were)
> >
> > Yikes! Please don't try to pronounce that in Russian! :]
> >
> > y = ы, most difficult Russian vowel sound, with no equivalent in
> English. Closest sound is ei as in being, but vocalised from the back of
> the throat with the lips pulled back like a smile to show the front
> teeth
> >
> > http://listen2russian.com/lesson01/a/index.html
> >
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: More Opera

[Emily Reyn]

Whatever...what a great songisn't it great to have rhythm, card?  



 From: card 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, December 3, 2012 3:10 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: More Opera
 

  


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "card"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "emptybill"  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > Robin
> > 
> > Don't despair. You can keep your precious first person ontology.
> > However, when you get to heaven, Judy will be waiting to show why you
> > won't need it. I have seen this and it will indeed be her
> > transformed presence showing you what now awaits you. Out of an excess
> > of secret humility, she won't admit this on a public forum but the
> > Dakini-s have shown me the reality.
> > 
> > This is the truth of real Tantra (anuttara yoga-tantra) where sacred
> > vision reveals sacred world.
> > 
> > This is why the Neo-platonists (pagan and christian) knew that the
> > intelligences dancing this cosmos were not your supposed Vedic demons
> > (nor Zorastrian-Semitic either) but theophanic celestials pointing out
> > the Way.
> > 
> > Here's the real Judy and paraphrasing St. Anthony …"I have seen
> > Her".
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J67vh5DRURY&feature=watch-vrec
> > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J67vh5DRURY&feature=watch-vrec>
> > 
> > 
> > As for Hvorostovsky:
> > 
> > Here he is (before he later became the grey Lion) singing with the great
> > Parvarotti.
> > 
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgwWQyGioz8
> > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgwWQyGioz8>
> > 
> > And here he is with the exquisite Anna Netrebko:
> > 
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36vm2VoXuXA
> > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36vm2VoXuXA>
> > 
> > Also … Think these people can only sing with trilled r's? Here
> > he is in a video that became a YouTube sensation … (It is also a
> > remembrance of the era of Stalin's terror)
> > 
> > Kak molody my byli (How young we were)
> 
> Yikes! Please don't try to pronounce that in Russian! :]
> 
> y = ы, most difficult Russian vowel sound, with no equivalent in 
> English. Closest sound is ei as in being, but vocalised from the back of the 
> throat with the lips pulled back like a smile to show the front teeth
> 
> http://listen2russian.com/lesson01/a/index.html
>

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GU1jUiXOJpo

That drummer *sucks*, big time!? :o


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: More Opera

[Emily Reyn]

Dear FullyEmpty and MeruDandy and JudyLilly:  I think you have all discovered 
the secret to the holiday season.  Opera.a real miracle, opera is.  



 From: merudanda 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, December 3, 2012 4:48 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: More Opera
 

  


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCPufE8AeMg 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6hKiM1zT2Y 
 
Bravissimo
"empty one "now a dream cast away in bitter winds, a hope slaughtered in dark, a
heart punctured upon itself with ancient works of Muse long lost to time.
Yes
And
when all the opera's end, and all
All FFL's crowd has dimmed,
When Golden Dome's wings are left to
Be empty, and our stories are all done, 
We may sing a last eulogy and force it on
Robin's raven wing, so that to the night, the
Shining moon would cry with a wolf. The tears of a 
Rose would douse a flame which could not be quenched. 
The rotting of words, it too bicuspid 
Opulence could streak a frown across the
Horizon with its somber, dismal inks
Drowning
all passion thick, all zeal
Tore and cast to the wind of all prudence-
Thorns
of roses piercing our dreadful heart

 

So throughout the night the stars will sing to
Our emptybill's praises with more fervor than the now
Closed opus: Yet a light will creep over us,
 Opened ways within us, we weep more 
Recognizing our solitude in our partners.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "emptybill"  wrote:
>
> 
> Robin
> 
> Don't despair. You can keep your precious first person ontology.
> However, when you get to heaven, Judy will be waiting to show why you
> won't need it. I have seen this and it will indeed be her
> transformed presence showing you what now awaits you. Out of an excess
> of secret humility, she won't admit this on a public forum but the
> Dakini-s have shown me the reality.
> 
> This is the truth of real Tantra (anuttara yoga-tantra) where sacred
> vision reveals sacred world.
> 
> This is why the Neo-platonists (pagan and christian) knew that the
> intelligences dancing this cosmos were not your supposed Vedic demons
> (nor Zorastrian-Semitic either) but theophanic celestials pointing out
> the Way.
> 
> Here's the real Judy and paraphrasing St. Anthony …"I have seen
> Her".
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J67vh5DRURY&feature=watch-vrec
> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J67vh5DRURY&feature=watch-vrec>
> 
> 
> As for Hvorostovsky:
> 
> Here he is (before he later became the grey Lion) singing with the great
> Parvarotti.
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgwWQyGioz8
> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgwWQyGioz8>
> 
> And here he is with the exquisite Anna Netrebko:
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36vm2VoXuXA
> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36vm2VoXuXA>
> 
> Also … Think these people can only sing with trilled r's? Here
> he is in a video that became a YouTube sensation … (It is also a
> remembrance of the era of Stalin's terror)
> 
> Kak molody my byli (How young we were)
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GU1jUiXOJpo
> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GU1jUiXOJpo>
> 
> Turn around unknown stranger
> 
> Your uncompromising look is familiar
> 
> Maybe that is me … when I was younger
> 
> We don't always recognize ourselves but
> 
> Nothing on Earth passes without leaving a trace
> 
> And this youth, which has passed, is after all undying ...
> 
> How young we were, how truly young we were
> 
> How we loved without doubt, believed in ourselves
> 
> Everyone welcomed us with our sincere belief
> 
> We forgave our friends when they were wrong
> 
> But their treachery we couldn't forgive
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robin Carlsen" maskedzebra@
> wrote:
> >
> > Dear Emptybill,
> >
> > Dmitri is the first voice I will listen to in the morning. What he is
> making happen here (in this aria) is my aesthetic ideal. I want to be
> where he is to sing like this.
> >
> > Fabulous post, emptybill.
> >
> > I am switching from first person ontology to opera.
> >
> > Robin
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "emptybill" emptybill@ wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Emily,
> > >
> > > Here's the famous aria Largo al factotum from Rossini's The
> > > Barber of Seville (Il Barbiere desiviglia). You'll understand why
> > > you'llnever see this on American Idol or Britain's Got talent.
> > >
> > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKDXr_fimQ8&feature=related
> > > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKDXr_fimQ8&feature=related>
> > >
> > > Enjoy
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >   <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKDXr_fimQ8&feature=related>
> > >
> >
>

 

[FairfieldLife] Re: More Opera

[emptybill]

Nice find with a better and longer translation.

Without understanding  how many people were
killed or displayed by Stalin, for a Yank this is only
a shadow of the one the Russians actually hear.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merudanda  wrote:
>
>
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCPufE8AeMg
> 
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6hKiM1zT2Y
> 
>
>
>
> Bravissimo "empty one "now a dream cast away in bitter winds, a
> hope slaughtered in dark, a heart punctured upon itself with ancient
> works of Muse long lost to time.
>
> Yes
>
> And when all the opera's end, and all
> All FFL's crowd has dimmed,
>
> When Golden Dome's wings are left to
> Be empty, and our stories are all done,
> We may sing a last eulogy and force it on
> Robin's raven wing, so that to the night, the
> Shining moon would cry with a wolf. The tears of a
> Rose would douse a flame which could not be quenched.
> The rotting of words, it too bicuspid
> Opulence could streak a frown across the
> Horizon with its somber, dismal inks
>
> Drowning all passion thick, all zeal
> Tore and cast to the wind of all prudence-
>
> Thorns of roses piercing our dreadful heart
>
>
>
>
>
>
> So throughout the night the stars will sing to
> Our emptybill's praises with more fervor than the now
> Closed opus: Yet a light will creep over us,
>
>   Opened ways within us, we weep more
> Recognizing our solitude in our partners.
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "emptybill" emptybill@ wrote:
> >
> >
> > Robin
> >
> > Don't despair. You can keep your precious first person ontology.
> > However, when you get to heaven, Judy will be waiting to show why
you
> > won't need it. I have seen this and it will indeed be her
> > transformed presence showing you what now awaits you. Out of an
excess
> > of secret humility, she won't admit this on a public forum but the
> > Dakini-s have shown me the reality.
> >
> > This is the truth of real Tantra (anuttara yoga-tantra) where sacred
> > vision reveals sacred world.
> >
> > This is why the Neo-platonists (pagan and christian) knew that the
> > intelligences dancing this cosmos were not your supposed Vedic
demons
> > (nor Zorastrian-Semitic either) but theophanic celestials pointing
out
> > the Way.
> >
> > Here's the real Judy and paraphrasing St. Anthony …"I have seen
> > Her".
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J67vh5DRURY&feature=watch-vrec
> > 
> >
> >
> > As for Hvorostovsky:
> >
> > Here he is (before he later became the grey Lion) singing with the
> great
> > Parvarotti.
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgwWQyGioz8
> > 
> >
> > And here he is with the exquisite Anna Netrebko:
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36vm2VoXuXA
> > 
> >
> > Also … Think these people can only sing with trilled r's? Here
> > he is in a video that became a YouTube sensation … (It is also a
> > remembrance of the era of Stalin's terror)
> >
> > Kak molody my byli (How young we were)
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GU1jUiXOJpo
> > 
> >
> > Turn around unknown stranger
> >
> > Your uncompromising look is familiar
> >
> > Maybe that is me … when I was younger
> >
> > We don't always recognize ourselves but
> >
> > Nothing on Earth passes without leaving a trace
> >
> > And this youth, which has passed, is after all undying ...
> >
> > How young we were, how truly young we were
> >
> > How we loved without doubt, believed in ourselves
> >
> > Everyone welcomed us with our sincere belief
> >
> > We forgave our friends when they were wrong
> >
> > But their treachery we couldn't forgive
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robin Carlsen" maskedzebra@
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Dear Emptybill,
> > >
> > > Dmitri is the first voice I will listen to in the morning. What he
> is
> > making happen here (in this aria) is my aesthetic ideal. I want to
be
> > where he is to sing like this.
> > >
> > > Fabulous post, emptybill.
> > >
> > > I am switching from first person ontology to opera.
> > >
> > > Robin
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "emptybill" emptybill@
wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Emily,
> > > >
> > > > Here's the famous aria Largo al factotum from Rossini's The
> > > > Barber of Seville (Il Barbiere desiviglia). You'll understand
why
> > > > you'llnever see this on American Idol or Britain's Got talent.
> > > >
> > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKDXr_fimQ8&feature=related
> > > > 
> > > >
> > > > Enjoy
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >   
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: More Opera

[merudanda]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCPufE8AeMg


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6hKiM1zT2Y




Bravissimo "empty one "now a dream cast away in bitter winds, a
hope slaughtered in dark, a heart punctured upon itself with ancient
works of Muse long lost to time.

Yes

And when all the opera's end, and all
All FFL's crowd has dimmed,

When Golden Dome's wings are left to
Be empty, and our stories are all done,
We may sing a last eulogy and force it on
Robin's raven wing, so that to the night, the
Shining moon would cry with a wolf. The tears of a
Rose would douse a flame which could not be quenched.
The rotting of words, it too bicuspid
Opulence could streak a frown across the
Horizon with its somber, dismal inks

Drowning all passion thick, all zeal
Tore and cast to the wind of all prudence-

Thorns of roses piercing our dreadful heart






So throughout the night the stars will sing to
Our emptybill's praises with more fervor than the now
Closed opus: Yet a light will creep over us,

  Opened ways within us, we weep more
Recognizing our solitude in our partners.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "emptybill"  wrote:
>
>
> Robin
>
> Don't despair. You can keep your precious first person ontology.
> However, when you get to heaven, Judy will be waiting to show why you
> won't need it. I have seen this and it will indeed be her
> transformed presence showing you what now awaits you. Out of an excess
> of secret humility, she won't admit this on a public forum but the
> Dakini-s have shown me the reality.
>
> This is the truth of real Tantra (anuttara yoga-tantra) where sacred
> vision reveals sacred world.
>
> This is why the Neo-platonists (pagan and christian) knew that the
> intelligences dancing this cosmos were not your supposed Vedic demons
> (nor Zorastrian-Semitic either) but theophanic celestials pointing out
> the Way.
>
> Here's the real Judy and paraphrasing St. Anthony …"I have seen
> Her".
>
>
>
>
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J67vh5DRURY&feature=watch-vrec
> 
>
>
> As for Hvorostovsky:
>
> Here he is (before he later became the grey Lion) singing with the
great
> Parvarotti.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgwWQyGioz8
> 
>
> And here he is with the exquisite Anna Netrebko:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36vm2VoXuXA
> 
>
> Also … Think these people can only sing with trilled r's? Here
> he is in a video that became a YouTube sensation … (It is also a
> remembrance of the era of Stalin's terror)
>
> Kak molody my byli (How young we were)
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GU1jUiXOJpo
> 
>
> Turn around unknown stranger
>
> Your uncompromising look is familiar
>
> Maybe that is me … when I was younger
>
> We don't always recognize ourselves but
>
> Nothing on Earth passes without leaving a trace
>
> And this youth, which has passed, is after all undying ...
>
> How young we were, how truly young we were
>
> How we loved without doubt, believed in ourselves
>
> Everyone welcomed us with our sincere belief
>
> We forgave our friends when they were wrong
>
> But their treachery we couldn't forgive
>
>
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robin Carlsen" maskedzebra@
> wrote:
> >
> > Dear Emptybill,
> >
> > Dmitri is the first voice I will listen to in the morning. What he
is
> making happen here (in this aria) is my aesthetic ideal. I want to be
> where he is to sing like this.
> >
> > Fabulous post, emptybill.
> >
> > I am switching from first person ontology to opera.
> >
> > Robin
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "emptybill" emptybill@ wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Emily,
> > >
> > > Here's the famous aria Largo al factotum from Rossini's The
> > > Barber of Seville (Il Barbiere desiviglia). You'll understand why
> > > you'llnever see this on American Idol or Britain's Got talent.
> > >
> > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKDXr_fimQ8&feature=related
> > > 
> > >
> > > Enjoy
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >   
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: More Opera

[emptybill]

Can it be described in Sanskrit's five points of vocal articulation?


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "card"  wrote:
>
> > Kak molody my byli (How young we were)
>
> Yikes! Please don't try to pronounce that in Russian! :]
>
> y = ы, most difficult Russian vowel sound, with no equivalent in
English. Closest sound is ei as in being, but vocalised from the back of
the throat with the lips pulled back like a smile to show the front
teeth
>
> http://listen2russian.com/lesson01/a/index.html
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: More Opera

[card]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "card"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "emptybill"  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > Robin
> > 
> > Don't despair. You can keep your precious first person ontology.
> > However, when you get to heaven, Judy will be waiting to show why you
> > won't need it. I have seen this and it will indeed be her
> > transformed presence showing you what now awaits you. Out of an excess
> > of secret humility, she won't admit this on a public forum but the
> > Dakini-s have shown me the reality.
> > 
> > This is the truth of real Tantra (anuttara yoga-tantra) where sacred
> > vision reveals sacred world.
> > 
> > This is why the Neo-platonists (pagan and christian) knew that the
> > intelligences dancing this cosmos were not your supposed Vedic demons
> > (nor Zorastrian-Semitic either) but theophanic celestials pointing out
> > the Way.
> > 
> > Here's the real Judy and paraphrasing St. Anthony …"I have seen
> > Her".
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J67vh5DRURY&feature=watch-vrec
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > As for Hvorostovsky:
> > 
> > Here he is (before he later became the grey Lion) singing with the great
> > Parvarotti.
> > 
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgwWQyGioz8
> > 
> > 
> > And here he is with the exquisite Anna Netrebko:
> > 
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36vm2VoXuXA
> > 
> > 
> > Also … Think these people can only sing with trilled r's? Here
> > he is in a video that became a YouTube sensation … (It is also a
> > remembrance of the era of Stalin's terror)
> > 
> > Kak molody my byli (How young we were)
> 
> Yikes! Please don't try to pronounce that in Russian! :]
> 
> y = ы, most difficult Russian vowel sound, with no equivalent in 
> English. Closest sound is ei as in being, but vocalised from the back of the 
> throat with the lips pulled back like a smile to show the front teeth
> 
> http://listen2russian.com/lesson01/a/index.html
>

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GU1jUiXOJpo

That drummer *sucks*, big time!? :o

[FairfieldLife] Re: More Opera

[card]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "emptybill"  wrote:
>
> 
> Robin
> 
> Don't despair. You can keep your precious first person ontology.
> However, when you get to heaven, Judy will be waiting to show why you
> won't need it. I have seen this and it will indeed be her
> transformed presence showing you what now awaits you. Out of an excess
> of secret humility, she won't admit this on a public forum but the
> Dakini-s have shown me the reality.
> 
> This is the truth of real Tantra (anuttara yoga-tantra) where sacred
> vision reveals sacred world.
> 
> This is why the Neo-platonists (pagan and christian) knew that the
> intelligences dancing this cosmos were not your supposed Vedic demons
> (nor Zorastrian-Semitic either) but theophanic celestials pointing out
> the Way.
> 
> Here's the real Judy and paraphrasing St. Anthony …"I have seen
> Her".
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J67vh5DRURY&feature=watch-vrec
> 
> 
> 
> As for Hvorostovsky:
> 
> Here he is (before he later became the grey Lion) singing with the great
> Parvarotti.
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgwWQyGioz8
> 
> 
> And here he is with the exquisite Anna Netrebko:
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36vm2VoXuXA
> 
> 
> Also … Think these people can only sing with trilled r's? Here
> he is in a video that became a YouTube sensation … (It is also a
> remembrance of the era of Stalin's terror)
> 
> Kak molody my byli (How young we were)

Yikes! Please don't try to pronounce that in Russian! :]

y = ы, most difficult Russian vowel sound, with no equivalent in English. 
Closest sound is ei as in being, but vocalised from the back of the throat with 
the lips pulled back like a smile to show the front teeth

http://listen2russian.com/lesson01/a/index.html

[FairfieldLife] Re: More Opera

[Robin Carlsen]

Dear Emptybill,

Dmitri is the first voice I will listen to in the morning. What he is making 
happen here (in this aria) is my aesthetic ideal. I want to be where he is to 
sing like this. 

Fabulous post, emptybill.

I am switching from first person ontology to opera.

Robin



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "emptybill"  wrote:
>
> 
> Emily,
> 
> Here's the famous aria Largo al factotum from Rossini's The
> Barber of Seville (Il Barbiere desiviglia). You'll understand why
> you'llnever see this on American Idol or Britain's Got talent.
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKDXr_fimQ8&feature=related
> 
> 
> Enjoy
> 
> 
> 
>   
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: More than the Will to Succeed?

[wgm4u]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "rwr"  wrote:
>
> 
> More than the Will to Succeed?
> 
> 
> 
> [ Optimism is fine, but it takes far more than a dream and optimism to
> succeed. ]
> 
> 
> 
> I know it does. It also requires the will to succeed. But even that is
> not enough. But first must come the dream, and then the will to succeed,
> and then the optimism that it can be done, but then the real work starts
> – practicing to do it. Doing the actual work that without which it
> could never succeed. THIS is what is meant by stop talking the talk and
> start walking it. Stop dreaming the dream and start making it happen.
> Success does not float down out the blue as a gift, you have to make it
> work. This means pushing on the doors of your own limitations until that
> door opens. Also, if at first you don't succeed then try try and try
> again. Give it one hundred percent of yourself. Never give up. These
> things are learned the hard way amigo. The only way. The time to give up
> is when you don't exist anymore. But if and when that time ever
> comes could well be a long way off. In the meantime use what you have
> got. Don't waste it. And don't sit around picking you nose and
> complain and waiting for somebody else to do it. We are the stuff that
> dreams are made on. Know your SELF.
> 
> 
> 
> Dick Richardson

Right on! Something MMY and the TMorg hear too little of! Meditation *helps 
you* DO that, which would otherwise seem impossible.

[FairfieldLife] Re: More cool Raymond Chandler quotes

[turquoiseb]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, oxcart49  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Jason"  wrote:
> >
> > This shit is as bad as Robin's shit. Dude post it in some 
> > other forum and not here.
> 
> Chandler, in three words, 'pulp fiction writer'.
> Robin in one, 'enigma'.

With all due respect, for Robin it takes two words:
"bad writer."  :-)

For Chandler, it takes a few more (from Wikipedia). 

Some of Chandler's novels are considered to be important 
literary works, and three are often considered to be 
masterpieces: Farewell, My Lovely (1940), The Little 
Sister (1949), and The Long Goodbye (1953). The Long 
Goodbye is praised within an anthology of American 
crime stories as "arguably the first book since Hammett's 
The Glass Key, published more than twenty years earlier, 
to qualify as a serious and significant mainstream novel 
that just happened to possess elements of mystery"

Critics and writers from W. H. Auden to Evelyn Waugh to 
Ian Fleming greatly admired Chandler's prose.[6] In a 
radio discussion with Chandler, Fleming said that 
Chandler offered "some of the finest dialogue written 
in any prose today."

"Chandler wrote like a slumming angel and invested the 
sun-blinded streets of Los Angeles with a romantic 
presence." – Ross Macdonald

"Raymond Chandler invented a new way of talking about 
America, and America has never looked the same to us since." 
– Paul Auster

"The prose rises to heights of unselfconscious eloquence, 
and we realize with a jolt of excitement that we are in 
the presence of not a mere action-tale teller, but a 
stylist, a writer with a vision … The reader is captivated 
by Chandler's seductive prose." 
– Joyce Carol Oates, New York Review of Books

"Chandler is one of my favorite writers. His books bear 
rereading every few years. The novels are a perfect 
snapshot of an American past, and yet the ruined 
romanticism of the voice is as fresh as if they were 
written yesterday." 
– Jonathan Lethem

"Chandler seems to have invented our post-war dream 
lives—the tough but tender hero, the dangerous blonde, 
the rain-washed sidewalks, and the roar of the traffic 
(and the ocean) in the distance … Chandler is the 
classic lonely romantic outsider for our times, and 
American literature, as well as English, would be the 
poorer for his absence." 
– Pico Iyer





> > 
> > 
> > ---  turquoiseb  wrote:
> > >
> > > Even more:
> > > 
> > > The man in the powder-blue suit — which wasn't powder-blue 
> > > under the lights of the Club Bolivar — was tall, with wide-
> > > set gray eyes, a thin nose, a jaw of stone. He had a rather 
> > > sensitive mouth His hair was crisp and black, ever so 
> > > faintly touched with gray, as by an almost diffident hand. 
> > > His clothes fitted him as though they had a soul of their 
> > > own, not just a doubtful past. His name happened to be Mallory.
> > > 
> > > He's doing his next week's drinking too soon.
> > > 
> > > I don't like drunks in the first place and in the second 
> > > place I don't like them getting drunk in here, and in the 
> > > third place, I don't like them in the first place.
> > > 
> > > The dark guy took a week to fall down. He stumbled, caught 
> > > himself, waved one arm, stumbled again. His hat fell off, 
> > > and then he hit the floor with his face. After he hit it 
> > > he might have been poured concrete for all the fuss he 
> > > made.
> > > 
> > > The drunk slid down off the stool and scooped his dimes 
> > > into a pocket and slid towards the door. He turned sideways, 
> > > holding the gun across his body. I didn't have a gun. I 
> > > hadn't thought I needed one to buy a glass of beer.
> > > 
> > > The door swung shut. I started to rush it — from long 
> > > practice in doing the wrong thing. In this case it didn't 
> > > matter. The car outside let out a roar and when I got onto 
> > > the sidewalk it was flicking a red smear of tail-light 
> > > around the nearby corner. I got its license number the 
> > > way I got my first million.
> > > 
> > > He took his felt hat off and tousled up his ratty blond 
> > > hair and leaned his head on his hands. He had a long mean 
> > > horse face. He got a handkerchief out and mopped it, and 
> > > the back of his neck and the back of his hands. He got 
> > > a comb out and combed his hair — he looked worse with 
> > > it combed — and put his hat back on.
> > > 
> > > She smoothed her hair with that quick gesture, like a 
> > > bird preening itself. Ten thousand years of practice 
> > > behind it.
> > > 
> > > We were almost at my door. I jammed the key in and shook 
> > > the lock around and heaved the door inward. I reached in 
> > > far enough to switch lights on. She went in past me like 
> > > a wave. Sandalwood floated on the air, very faint.
> > > 
> > > I shut the door, threw my hat into a chair and watched 
> > > her stroll over to a card table on which I had a chess 
> > > problem set out that I couldn't solve. Once inside, with 
> > > the

[FairfieldLife] Re: More cool Raymond Chandler quotes

[oxcart49]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Jason"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> This shit is as bad as Robin's shit.  Dude post it in some 
> other forum and not here.

Chandler, in three words, 'pulp fiction writer'.
Robin in one, 'enigma'.
> 
> 
> ---  turquoiseb  wrote:
> >
> > Even more:
> > 
> > The man in the powder-blue suit — which wasn't powder-blue 
> > under the lights of the Club Bolivar — was tall, with wide-
> > set gray eyes, a thin nose, a jaw of stone. He had a rather 
> > sensitive mouth His hair was crisp and black, ever so 
> > faintly touched with gray, as by an almost diffident hand. 
> > His clothes fitted him as though they had a soul of their 
> > own, not just a doubtful past. His name happened to be Mallory.
> > 
> > He's doing his next week's drinking too soon.
> > 
> > I don't like drunks in the first place and in the second 
> > place I don't like them getting drunk in here, and in the 
> > third place, I don't like them in the first place.
> > 
> > The dark guy took a week to fall down. He stumbled, caught 
> > himself, waved one arm, stumbled again. His hat fell off, 
> > and then he hit the floor with his face. After he hit it 
> > he might have been poured concrete for all the fuss he 
> > made.
> > 
> > The drunk slid down off the stool and scooped his dimes 
> > into a pocket and slid towards the door. He turned sideways, 
> > holding the gun across his body. I didn't have a gun. I 
> > hadn't thought I needed one to buy a glass of beer.
> > 
> > The door swung shut. I started to rush it — from long 
> > practice in doing the wrong thing. In this case it didn't 
> > matter. The car outside let out a roar and when I got onto 
> > the sidewalk it was flicking a red smear of tail-light 
> > around the nearby corner. I got its license number the 
> > way I got my first million.
> > 
> > He took his felt hat off and tousled up his ratty blond 
> > hair and leaned his head on his hands. He had a long mean 
> > horse face. He got a handkerchief out and mopped it, and 
> > the back of his neck and the back of his hands. He got 
> > a comb out and combed his hair — he looked worse with 
> > it combed — and put his hat back on.
> > 
> > She smoothed her hair with that quick gesture, like a 
> > bird preening itself. Ten thousand years of practice 
> > behind it.
> > 
> > We were almost at my door. I jammed the key in and shook 
> > the lock around and heaved the door inward. I reached in 
> > far enough to switch lights on. She went in past me like 
> > a wave. Sandalwood floated on the air, very faint.
> > 
> > I shut the door, threw my hat into a chair and watched 
> > her stroll over to a card table on which I had a chess 
> > problem set out that I couldn't solve. Once inside, with 
> > the door locked, her panic had left her. "So you're a 
> > chess player," she said, in that guarded tone, as if she
> > had come to look at my etchings. I wished she had.
> > 
> > Her eyes were set like rivets now and had the same amount of expression.
> > 
> > I sipped my drink. I like an effect as well as the next 
> > guy. Her eyes ate me.
> > 
> > "He's really dead?" she whispered, "Really?"
> > "He's dead," I said. "Dead, dead, dead. Lady, he's dead."
> > Her face fell apart like a bride's piecrust. Her mouth 
> > wasn't large, but I could have got my fist into it at 
> > that moment. In the silence the elevator stopped at my 
> > floor.
> > "Scream," I rapped, "and I'll give you two black eyes."
> > It didn't sound nice, but it worked. It jarred her out 
> > of it. Her mouth shut like a trap.
> > 
> > He came close to me and breathed in my face. "No mistakes, 
> > pal — about this story of ours." His breath was bad. It 
> > would be.
> > 
> > When I left the party across the street was still doing 
> > all that a party can do. I noticed the walls of the house 
> > were still standing. That seemed a pity.
> > 
> > The hammer clicked back on Copernik's gun and I watched 
> > his big bony finger slide in farther around the trigger. 
> > The back of my neck was as wet as a dog's nose.
> > 
> > Back and forth in front of them, strutting, trucking, 
> > preening herself like a magpie, arching her arms and her 
> > eyebrows, bending her fingers back until the carmine 
> > nails almost touched her arms, a metallic blonde swayed 
> > and went to town on the music. Her voice was a throaty
> > screech, without melody, as false as her eyebrows and 
> > as sharp as her nails.
> > 
> > He took out a leather keyholder and studied the lock of 
> > the door. It looked like it would listen to reason.
> > 
> > A swarthy iron-gray Italian in a cutaway coat stood in 
> > front of the curtained door of the red brick funeral home, 
> > smoking a cigar and waiting for someone to die.
> > 
> > She had a mud-colored face, stringy hair, gray cotton 
> > stockings — everything a Bunker Hill landlady should have. 
> > She looked at Steve with the interested eye of a dead goldfish.
> > 
> > The cigar was burning unevenly and it sme

[FairfieldLife] Re: More cool Raymond Chandler quotes

[Jason]

This shit is as bad as Robin's shit.  Dude post it in some 
other forum and not here.


---  turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> Even more:
> 
> The man in the powder-blue suit — which wasn't powder-blue 
> under the lights of the Club Bolivar — was tall, with wide-
> set gray eyes, a thin nose, a jaw of stone. He had a rather 
> sensitive mouth His hair was crisp and black, ever so 
> faintly touched with gray, as by an almost diffident hand. 
> His clothes fitted him as though they had a soul of their 
> own, not just a doubtful past. His name happened to be Mallory.
> 
> He's doing his next week's drinking too soon.
> 
> I don't like drunks in the first place and in the second 
> place I don't like them getting drunk in here, and in the 
> third place, I don't like them in the first place.
> 
> The dark guy took a week to fall down. He stumbled, caught 
> himself, waved one arm, stumbled again. His hat fell off, 
> and then he hit the floor with his face. After he hit it 
> he might have been poured concrete for all the fuss he 
> made.
> 
> The drunk slid down off the stool and scooped his dimes 
> into a pocket and slid towards the door. He turned sideways, 
> holding the gun across his body. I didn't have a gun. I 
> hadn't thought I needed one to buy a glass of beer.
> 
> The door swung shut. I started to rush it — from long 
> practice in doing the wrong thing. In this case it didn't 
> matter. The car outside let out a roar and when I got onto 
> the sidewalk it was flicking a red smear of tail-light 
> around the nearby corner. I got its license number the 
> way I got my first million.
> 
> He took his felt hat off and tousled up his ratty blond 
> hair and leaned his head on his hands. He had a long mean 
> horse face. He got a handkerchief out and mopped it, and 
> the back of his neck and the back of his hands. He got 
> a comb out and combed his hair — he looked worse with 
> it combed — and put his hat back on.
> 
> She smoothed her hair with that quick gesture, like a 
> bird preening itself. Ten thousand years of practice 
> behind it.
> 
> We were almost at my door. I jammed the key in and shook 
> the lock around and heaved the door inward. I reached in 
> far enough to switch lights on. She went in past me like 
> a wave. Sandalwood floated on the air, very faint.
> 
> I shut the door, threw my hat into a chair and watched 
> her stroll over to a card table on which I had a chess 
> problem set out that I couldn't solve. Once inside, with 
> the door locked, her panic had left her. "So you're a 
> chess player," she said, in that guarded tone, as if she
> had come to look at my etchings. I wished she had.
> 
> Her eyes were set like rivets now and had the same amount of expression.
> 
> I sipped my drink. I like an effect as well as the next 
> guy. Her eyes ate me.
> 
> "He's really dead?" she whispered, "Really?"
> "He's dead," I said. "Dead, dead, dead. Lady, he's dead."
> Her face fell apart like a bride's piecrust. Her mouth 
> wasn't large, but I could have got my fist into it at 
> that moment. In the silence the elevator stopped at my 
> floor.
> "Scream," I rapped, "and I'll give you two black eyes."
> It didn't sound nice, but it worked. It jarred her out 
> of it. Her mouth shut like a trap.
> 
> He came close to me and breathed in my face. "No mistakes, 
> pal — about this story of ours." His breath was bad. It 
> would be.
> 
> When I left the party across the street was still doing 
> all that a party can do. I noticed the walls of the house 
> were still standing. That seemed a pity.
> 
> The hammer clicked back on Copernik's gun and I watched 
> his big bony finger slide in farther around the trigger. 
> The back of my neck was as wet as a dog's nose.
> 
> Back and forth in front of them, strutting, trucking, 
> preening herself like a magpie, arching her arms and her 
> eyebrows, bending her fingers back until the carmine 
> nails almost touched her arms, a metallic blonde swayed 
> and went to town on the music. Her voice was a throaty
> screech, without melody, as false as her eyebrows and 
> as sharp as her nails.
> 
> He took out a leather keyholder and studied the lock of 
> the door. It looked like it would listen to reason.
> 
> A swarthy iron-gray Italian in a cutaway coat stood in 
> front of the curtained door of the red brick funeral home, 
> smoking a cigar and waiting for someone to die.
> 
> She had a mud-colored face, stringy hair, gray cotton 
> stockings — everything a Bunker Hill landlady should have. 
> She looked at Steve with the interested eye of a dead goldfish.
> 
> The cigar was burning unevenly and it smelled as if someone 
> had set fire to the doormat.
> 
> In a moment the door opened again and Ellen Macintosh came 
> in. Maybe you don't like tall girls with honey-colored hair 
> and skin like the first strawberry peach the grocer sneaks 
> out of the box for himself. If you don't, I feel sorry for you.
> 
> Ellen lowered her long silky eyelashes at me

[FairfieldLife] Re: More cool Raymond Chandler quotes

[turquoiseb]

Even more:

The man in the powder-blue suit — which wasn't powder-blue 
under the lights of the Club Bolivar — was tall, with wide-
set gray eyes, a thin nose, a jaw of stone. He had a rather 
sensitive mouth His hair was crisp and black, ever so 
faintly touched with gray, as by an almost diffident hand. 
His clothes fitted him as though they had a soul of their 
own, not just a doubtful past. His name happened to be Mallory.

He's doing his next week's drinking too soon.

I don't like drunks in the first place and in the second 
place I don't like them getting drunk in here, and in the 
third place, I don't like them in the first place.

The dark guy took a week to fall down. He stumbled, caught 
himself, waved one arm, stumbled again. His hat fell off, 
and then he hit the floor with his face. After he hit it 
he might have been poured concrete for all the fuss he 
made.

The drunk slid down off the stool and scooped his dimes 
into a pocket and slid towards the door. He turned sideways, 
holding the gun across his body. I didn't have a gun. I 
hadn't thought I needed one to buy a glass of beer.

The door swung shut. I started to rush it — from long 
practice in doing the wrong thing. In this case it didn't 
matter. The car outside let out a roar and when I got onto 
the sidewalk it was flicking a red smear of tail-light 
around the nearby corner. I got its license number the 
way I got my first million.

He took his felt hat off and tousled up his ratty blond 
hair and leaned his head on his hands. He had a long mean 
horse face. He got a handkerchief out and mopped it, and 
the back of his neck and the back of his hands. He got 
a comb out and combed his hair — he looked worse with 
it combed — and put his hat back on.

She smoothed her hair with that quick gesture, like a 
bird preening itself. Ten thousand years of practice 
behind it.

We were almost at my door. I jammed the key in and shook 
the lock around and heaved the door inward. I reached in 
far enough to switch lights on. She went in past me like 
a wave. Sandalwood floated on the air, very faint.

I shut the door, threw my hat into a chair and watched 
her stroll over to a card table on which I had a chess 
problem set out that I couldn't solve. Once inside, with 
the door locked, her panic had left her. "So you're a 
chess player," she said, in that guarded tone, as if she
had come to look at my etchings. I wished she had.

Her eyes were set like rivets now and had the same amount of expression.

I sipped my drink. I like an effect as well as the next 
guy. Her eyes ate me.

"He's really dead?" she whispered, "Really?"
"He's dead," I said. "Dead, dead, dead. Lady, he's dead."
Her face fell apart like a bride's piecrust. Her mouth 
wasn't large, but I could have got my fist into it at 
that moment. In the silence the elevator stopped at my 
floor.
"Scream," I rapped, "and I'll give you two black eyes."
It didn't sound nice, but it worked. It jarred her out 
of it. Her mouth shut like a trap.

He came close to me and breathed in my face. "No mistakes, 
pal — about this story of ours." His breath was bad. It 
would be.

When I left the party across the street was still doing 
all that a party can do. I noticed the walls of the house 
were still standing. That seemed a pity.

The hammer clicked back on Copernik's gun and I watched 
his big bony finger slide in farther around the trigger. 
The back of my neck was as wet as a dog's nose.

Back and forth in front of them, strutting, trucking, 
preening herself like a magpie, arching her arms and her 
eyebrows, bending her fingers back until the carmine 
nails almost touched her arms, a metallic blonde swayed 
and went to town on the music. Her voice was a throaty
screech, without melody, as false as her eyebrows and 
as sharp as her nails.

He took out a leather keyholder and studied the lock of 
the door. It looked like it would listen to reason.

A swarthy iron-gray Italian in a cutaway coat stood in 
front of the curtained door of the red brick funeral home, 
smoking a cigar and waiting for someone to die.

She had a mud-colored face, stringy hair, gray cotton 
stockings — everything a Bunker Hill landlady should have. 
She looked at Steve with the interested eye of a dead goldfish.

The cigar was burning unevenly and it smelled as if someone 
had set fire to the doormat.

In a moment the door opened again and Ellen Macintosh came 
in. Maybe you don't like tall girls with honey-colored hair 
and skin like the first strawberry peach the grocer sneaks 
out of the box for himself. If you don't, I feel sorry for you.

Ellen lowered her long silky eyelashes at me — and when she 
does that I go limp as a scrubwoman's back hair.

The hotel was upstairs, the steps being covered — in places — 
with strips of decayed rubber matting to which were screwed 
irregular fragments of unpolished brass. The smell of the 
Chinese laundry ceased about halfway up the stairs and was 
replaced by a smell of kerosen

[FairfieldLife] Re: More recent info on sale of heavenly mountain

[wgm4u]

So what's new?!

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
  
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>   The Mother Divine Program: Blissful Life in
>  Freedom, Fullness, and Enlightenment
> 
> 
>    
> 
> Dearest friends and supporters of the Mother Divine Program,
> 
> We'd like to bring you up to date with recent developments regarding
> Heavenly Mountain, North Carolina. 
> 
> As all of you are probably aware, last year we purchased the East Campus
> property of Heavenly Mountain (Mother Divine's former home) as a permanent
> home for the Mother Divine Program and Maharishi University of Enlightenment
> in North America. Since the purchase last May, renovations of the campus
> have been in progress, and by and large have been going well. 
> 
> However, we are writing now to inform you of the very recent decision we
> have had to make with respect to these renovations and our property there. 
> 
> After deep consideration and taking advice from experts as well as wise
> leaders of our Movement, we have concluded that we must stop the renovations
> on the Heavenly Mountain property and try to sell it. We wanted you to know
> that this decision was not made lightly, or without careful thought and a
> very complete assessment of our situation. 
> 
> In the past two months as we started a detailed investigation of all the
> suites and common areas in the large building and the dining hall, aided by
> a team of expert subcontractors, we began to uncover more and more work that
> needed to be done in order for the buildings to meet the basic requirements
> for occupancy. 
> 
> Even though we had performed thorough due diligence on all the buildings
> prior to purchase, additional and more extensive damage came to light once
> the renovations were in process. At first we thought we would be able to
> overcome these challenges, but this month we received a comprehensive
> summary report from our project manager and renovations team outlining the
> scope of work and related costs necessary to achieve partial occupancy of
> the campus. The report indicated a time line of one year or more with costs
> exceeding our budget by many millions. 
> 
> In addition, we considered once again the very high operating costs and
> ongoing maintenance of an older facility such as this and the pressure that
> would inevitably be put on our future financial requirements. Even though
> this was factored into our original fundraising goal, we had not counted on
> the renovations taking so long or being so extensive and costly. We feel
> that new construction with recent energy saving designs could significantly
> lower ongoing operating costs and be more sustainable for us in the future. 
> 
> There is still a great need and desire to create a permanent and comfortable
> home for the Mother Divine Program in North America, a place where we can
> all be together, expand our numbers, and welcome ladies from all over the
> world to join us for courses and special programs. 
> 
> The Heavenly Mountain property remains very valuable and for the right
> person with plentiful resources could be a great investment. We are all very
> optimistic that the sale of this property will yield a nice profit that can
> be the seed money for the permanent home for Mother Divine. 
> 
> We have the sense that Nature is organizing for us in the best possible way
> and guiding us in a very positive direction. We have already started to
> explore some promising options.
> 
> We deeply appreciate your continuing support of the Mother Divine Program,
> and look forward to sharing with you our future plans for a new home for
> Mother Divine and Maharishi University of Enlightenment that will be
> sustainable and ideal in every way.
> 
> Jai Guru Dev
> 
> With all our love and gratitude,
> 
> The Raj Rajeshwaris and members of the Mother Divine Program 
> 
>    
> 
>  
> 
> 
>   
>