[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name

2006-07-01 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer groups@ wrote:
 
  Last I heard, he was working with a company that make guitars, 
  and spends his time roaming around in the woods looking for 
  suitable pieces of wood. I¹d like that job.
 
 No shit.
 
 Great gig.


Heh. It may be an interesting gig but its not exaxtly something just anyone 
can do.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name

2006-07-01 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ 
 wrote:
 
  Judy, our conversation is begining to take a
  disturbing turn!
 
 Well, you did say once you wanted to have
 tantric sex with me.
 
 This is as close as yer gonna get.
 

Oh, baby!






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name

2006-07-01 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 On Jun 30, 2006, at 2:25 PM, authfriend wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer groups@ wrote:
 
  on 6/30/06 7:54 AM, authfriend at jstein@ wrote:
 
  Was he *explicitly* posing as a celibate monk during
  the time he was banging the women, by the way?
 
  Yes.
 
  In what ways, specifically?
 
 
 Uh, with his penis?


He was posing as a celibate monk with his penis? 

I guess that sorta makes sense...






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name

2006-07-01 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ 
  wrote:
  
   Judy, our conversation is begining to take a
   disturbing turn!
  
  Well, you did say once you wanted to have
  tantric sex with me.
  
  This is as close as yer gonna get.
  
 
 Oh, baby!

Yes?






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name

2006-07-01 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
 In a message dated 6/30/06 1:31:39 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
   Mahesh could be a real slime ball. And, what did he teach on his 6-
month courses? Stuff borrowed and re-worked from Yogananda. I did  
 all
   of the Yogananda lessons after TM, out of curiosity more  than
   anything else. There were the A of E techniques and contacts  
 provided
   more information about the 6-month courses. Just  more of Yogananda
   with his lovely spin on it.
  
   I'd heard Swami Sivananda also (all the TM mantras are in one of his 
   books).
 
 The TM mantras, of course, are in a *lot* of books. Did
 you  think MMY had swiped them from Sivananda?
 
 
 
 
 One of the Age of enlightenment techniques is also in the Siva  Purana.


Gasp, you mean the traditional techniques and mantras are actually, well, 
traditional?






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name

2006-07-01 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote:
 
 
  Mahesh has been interested in power, in the accumulation of money,  
  and in women. Why does he live in a big house, own helicopters,  
  airplanes, etc? Why does he spend most of his time involved in  
  business planning about making money? It is because he is a  
  businessman who has the desires that other wealthy businessmen 
 have.  
  His spiritual front is his scam and the way he gets people to give  
  him their time and money. --Earl Kaplan 
 
 Do you really take seriously someone (Earl Kaplan) who is claiming 
 that all of his own perceptions, assessments of the world, and 
 lifestyle, for 30 years was 100% wrong, and now he is telling you he 
 is 100% right???
 He has a VERY bad track record on his ability to discern what the 
 world is, and he is admitting this in big bold letters in this 
 statement. How embarrassing for him. 
 
 OffWorld


Maharishi turned me into a newt!!

...I got better





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name

2006-07-01 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 on 6/30/06 1:25 PM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
   
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
  mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com
  , Rick Archer groups@ wrote:
  
   on 6/30/06 7:54 AM, authfriend at jstein@ wrote:

Was he *explicitly* posing as a celibate monk during
the time he was banging the women, by the way?

   Yes.
  
  In what ways, specifically?
  
 If ever the topic of women or sex came up, he would feign ignorance, and
 would encourage single guys to be celibate, like him.


So,  he'd say y'all should avoid that demon pussy, like me?









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[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name

2006-07-01 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote:
 
  
  On Jun 30, 2006, at 2:25 PM, authfriend wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer groups@ 
wrote:
  
   on 6/30/06 7:54 AM, authfriend at jstein@ wrote:
  
   Was he *explicitly* posing as a celibate monk during
   the time he was banging the women, by the way?
  
   Yes.
  
   In what ways, specifically?
  
  Uh, with his penis?
 
 He was posing as a celibate monk with his penis? 
 
 I guess that sorta makes sense...

You owe me a new monitor.

Peter can be funny, but not *that* funny...







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name

2006-07-01 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
 In a message dated 6/30/06 7:46:50 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
  
  
 
  Indians in large numbers attending. The difference
  in  Indian involvement in 
  AOL and the TMO is like night and day in the  United 
  States.
 
 But how many indians were in the US back in the  70s
 when TM was popular compared to how many are in the US
 now when AOL  is popular? Big, big difference.
 
 
 
 
 
 There is a big difference in how many were here then and now.  But how many 
 centers have you been in, in which you saw any Indian immigrants  donating 
 time 
 or getting initiated. It wasn't because they weren't out there,  they were. 
 While you may feel uncomfortable about walking into an AOL center or  lecture 
 of some sort, try it and see what you see. I think you would be  surprised. 
 It's mostly Indians.


MMY geared TM for westerners.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name

2006-07-01 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote:
 
   
  In a message dated 6/30/06 7:46:50 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
  ffl@ writes:
  
   
   
  
   Indians in large numbers attending. The difference
   in  Indian involvement in 
   AOL and the TMO is like night and day in the  United 
   States.
  
  But how many indians were in the US back in the  70s
  when TM was popular compared to how many are in the US
  now when AOL  is popular? Big, big difference.
  
  
  
  
  
  There is a big difference in how many were here then and now.  
But how many 
  centers have you been in, in which you saw any Indian immigrants  
donating time 
  or getting initiated. It wasn't because they weren't out there,  
they were. 
  While you may feel uncomfortable about walking into an AOL center 
or  lecture 
  of some sort, try it and see what you see. I think you would be  
surprised. 
  It's mostly Indians.
 
 
 MMY geared TM for westerners.

Ding.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: invincible government collapses

2006-07-01 Thread nablus108
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 
 
 --- nablus108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  
  I guess its a combination. My feeling is beeing
  confirmed by an 
  american phsycic who happens to be a former
  TM-teacher. Claims to 
  have 70% correct in his predictions. I'll try to
  find his website if 
  you are interested.
 
 70% accuracy and a former TM teacher. But is he/she
 recertified? That is the real question. I don't take
 my predictions from just any old charlatan.

A few samples of his predictions for this year:
Los Angeles to be hit by an earthquake, 7,6 to 8,6 on the Richter 
scale in july, august or september early in the morning about 5 am.
Huge damage to Hollywood.
Hurricane damage to Texas oilfields by a hurricane a little stronger 
than Katrina.
Capitalism will go.

http://yogavisionaries.com/future.php





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[FairfieldLife] Maharishi: the press conference to end all press conferences!

2006-07-01 Thread george_deforest
Press Conference with Maharishi, JUNE 21, 2006

Maharishi: Jai Guru Dev. The press - the world press -
has put me in a difficult positionion. 

I am busy in creating the effect. I am busy in laying out 
an administrative policy for every country to have 
a few hundred people create invincibility for the nation. 

But the world press demands that - this is from 
the long history of the Movement - weekly press conferences. 

Then I wish to address to the worrld press today that 
the success is so great that I don't have time 
to speak now anymore [laughter].

Whatever I have spoken has been enough fruitful that 
I don't have to speak now. I don't get time to speak. 

Now I am busy in sorting out little, little details 
of administrative values. Practical administrative values 
have to be sorted out in every country, in every country, 
even though the whole thing is automatic and it could go 
without my any advice or anything. 

But because it seems to be a new thing - people have been 
suffering, and now the voice of the time is: 
waves of bliss, waves of bliss, waves of bliss.

So now the world press will excuse me for my success -
that my success has put me on a level where I have 
no time to talk to anyone. 

I have only time to just - some missing area, some little thing.
They are the practical administrative values - practical
adminiistrative values for two hundred, four hundred, 
these people to fly together.

So there is no more time to talk about the principles. 
Principles have been talked, have been established, 
have been verified by scientific research in all these years -
how many years. 

And now there is time too structure the administrative procedures,
administrative procedures, for those four hundred, five hundred, 
two hundred people everywhere to live in a way that 
they don't fall off the grace of total invincibility.

So I'll be busy that way, and will not have much time 
to speak about it. 

So Prime Minister of the Global Country of World Peace 
will inform the press that I'll be busy in 
creating the effect, rather than talking about 
the possibility of it, which I have been doing so far. 

So speaking so far has been completely successful, 
and now the success is [laughter] that I don't have time 
to speak about the principle. I create the effect, effect, effect.

And creating effect, from country to country, from country 
to country - from in thee first country, Holland, the country 
of wholeness. It is about two months that the Yogic Flyers 
in Holland have been creating that effect - intensive effect -
of coherence and positivity in the Dutch national consciousness. 

And this has inspired the neighboring nations' Yogic Flyers 
to follow the example of Holland. And they want to create 
the same thing in their country, in their country. 

So constantly, twenty-four hours, they are asking me. 
They are asking me little, little things, and I am 
not surprised, even those little, little things - but 
I have to answer them.

Therefore, I am on a working mood now, shifting 
from speaking to working, from speaking to working, 
from speaking to working. Now let me enjoy [laughter] 
for some time working. 

And then, I don't have even to work; 
I just see the bubbles of bliss, the waves of bliss, 
moving from country to country, from country to country, 
from nation to nation, from galaxy to galaxy, from galaxy 
to galaxy - the whole galactic universe governed 
by one Total Natural Law, the Will of God.

That will be witnessed in every country, in every country -
that administration. That administraation I am setting up 
in country by country. In the national consciousness 
of each country, growing in invincibility will prove 
to everyone that all kinds of positivity is growing 
in every country, and negativity subsiding, subsiding. 

And after some time, nobody would know what negativity means. 
Positive will be a natural, normal state of life. 
Success will be natural, normal state of every action. 
Then success will belong to every knowledge, because 
knowledge will be complete - Vedic knowledge will 
be complete - in the awareness os of everyone.

So all glory to Guru Dev. We are on the waves of bliss ourselves. 
This is the supreme level of evolvement of life on earth. 
And we are proud to be belonging to that level. 
It's very good.

So, Prime Minister, thank the world press. And thank 
the - this is also the succcess of the reporting of world press. 
Now they have been reporting all kinds of negative things, 
and now their pen will be reporting nice things, 
like that, like that, like that. 

So put them on a new world, and don't mind if I'm 
not able to speak to them. Jai Guru Dev.

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[FairfieldLife] all are invited to Holland for Guru Purnima time

2006-07-01 Thread george_deforest
Invitation to Holland for all the Governors and Sidhhas

Dear Friends,

This evening Maharishi gave a kind invitation 
for all the Governors and Yogic Flyers to come to Meru, Holland 
for Guru Purnima Celebration that will take place starting 
on the full moon day of 11 July. 

Governors and siddhas are advised to come one or two days earlier 
(on the 9th or 10th of July) if possible.

However if any country can gather in their nation 
by Guru Purnima sufficient Yogic Flyers to create 
national invincibility then all the Flyers should remain there,
and then Maharishi will talk to them daily from Holland 
by phone or video conference.

The Governors and Yogic Flyers who come this time 
will be asked to cover the direct costs of their stay, 
which including hotel, food, buses etc may be approx 
150 Euros per day.

The length of time for the Guru Purnima Assembly 
is not set, it could be a week or ten days or even longer, 
according to each person's own planning.

Maharishi would like to hear quickly how many are coming 
from which country, so Please let us know as soon as possible 
if you wish to attend the Guru Purnima celebration in Holland, 
and if you could contact your friends (Governors and
siddhas) and get a response from them, and send us 
their names and projected length of stay -- that 
will be helpful in the planning for this Global event.

In order to fulfill the invitation of Maharishi, 
and for those who are not able to join the assembly in Holland, 
every TM Center will have a group program for sidhas 
on the Guru Purnima day on July 11, 2006, 
the program will start around 6:00 all will fly at 7:00

For those who wish to go to Holland please contact 
your TM center or your TM teacher as soon as possible 
in order to get the invitation for the Visa to Holland.

Thank you so much!

With All Best Wishes

Jai Guru Dev

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi: the press conference to end all press conferences!

2006-07-01 Thread off_world_beings
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, george_deforest 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Press Conference with Maharishi, JUNE 21, 2006
 
 Maharishi: Jai Guru Dev. bigsnip

bliss, waves of bliss, waves of bliss


Is that the dualism Vaj beeps going on about?
Gimme more baby!

OffWorld






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[FairfieldLife] Hypocrisy (was Re: Maharishi's name)

2006-07-01 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- authfriend wrote:

 --- Gillam wrote:
 
  --- authfriend wrote:
  
   --- Rick  wrote:
   
If ever the topic of women or sex came up, he would feign 
ignorance, and would encourage single guys to be celibate, 
like him.
   
   And you see this as hypocrisy?
  
  (Butting in) Looks that way to me. How would you 
  interpret it, Judy? Genuinely curious. I'm not good 
  at this sort of perception.
 
 Well, I wasn't there, obviously.  But what the
 hell else could he say under the circumstances
 if he really thought the guys he was speaking to
 ought to be celibate for the sake of their
 evolution?
 
 I'm not condoning his illicit sexual behavior,
 given his position, but I'm not sure hypocrisy
 is the right term for what he told the guys.

I see the nuance, and his conundrum. 

Given the lame nature of his relationships - 
maybe 30 minutes of nooky time at the end 
of the work day now and again - he probably 
didn't perceive himself as being in a relationship. 
I'm not trying to rationalize his behavior. I'm 
just assuming he was able to rationalize it himself.

I had a spell some years ago when I enjoyed a 
cigar or two on the weekend. After about six 
months of this, I was looking at an insurance 
form that asked, Have you used any tobacco 
products in the past six months? If so, I had 
to pay the smoker's rate for insurance. At that 
point I realized, Oh my God. I'm a smoker. 
Before that, I never thought of myself as a smoker. 
It wasn't part of my identity. I was just enjoying 
a cigar or two on the weekend. 

Maybe Maharishi had the same delusion I did.
Just as I thought I was essentially a non-smoker 
even as I puffed away at my La Unicas, he was 
able to think he was celibate when he dallying
with his gopis.






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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name

2006-07-01 Thread MDixon6569






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  message dated 6/30/06 5:54:15 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
   [EMAIL PROTECTED]pno_re_ (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]s.com) 
  writes:I would hope it would look like what Sri 
  Sri Ravi  Shankar is   doing:creating 
  a "Woodstock of meditation" and initiating millions on  a 
 donation basis and doing some important form of 
  world-seva,tirelessly.
   Millions?OffWorld
  Yup. Millions. And one thing I've noticed is 
  SSRS attracts many  Indian   immigrants in the 
  United States to his AOL movement, unlike MMY  was ever able 
  to   do.  Dr. Chopra was an Indian 
  immigrant. So is Dr. Hari Sharma, and maybe  Farrokh 
  Anklesaria? And whole bunch others too numerous to mention. 
   OffWorld  
   Those few you mentioned are exactly that, a few. I rarely saw 
  Indians coming  in for lectures much less initiation. I'm not 
  saying there weren't any, I'm  say they are a very small 
  percentage of over all initiations in the US. The  events I 
  have seen put on by AOL have primarily Indians running the events and 
   Indians in large numbers attending. The difference in Indian 
  involvement in  AOL and the TMO is like night and day in the United 
   States.I've noticed that same thing especially in the last 
  5years. In the early 90's there were very few indiansnow its 
  Bangalore-West!

Exactly
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name

2006-07-01 Thread off_world_beings
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
 In a message dated 6/30/06 8:14:28 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
  
  
 
 
 --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED])   wrote:
 
  
  In a message dated 6/30/06 6:52:15 P.M.  Central
  Daylight Time, 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED])   
writes:
  
  
  
  --- In  _FairfieldLife@ --- In  _Fai
  (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 (mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com) )  
  , MDixon6569@ , MD
  
   
   In a  message dated 6/30/06 5:54:15 P.M. Central
  Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] _no_re
  (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
(mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) )  
 writes:
   
   I would hope it would look like what Sri  Sri Ravi 
  Shankar is 
   doing: 
creating  a Woodstock of meditation and
  initiating millions on 
  a  
donation basis and doing some important form of
   world-seva, 
tirelessly. 
   
Millions?
   
   OffWorld
   

   
   Yup. Millions. And one thing I've noticed is  SSRS
  attracts many 
  Indian 
   immigrants in the  United States to his AOL
  movement, unlike MMY 
  was ever able  to 
   do.
  
  Dr. Chopra was an Indian  immigrant. So is Dr. Hari
  Sharma, and maybe 
  Farrokh  Anklesaria? And whole bunch others too
  numerous to mention.
   
  OffWorld
  
  
  
  
  
   
  Those few you mentioned are exactly that, a few. I
  rarely saw  Indians coming 
  in for lectures much less initiation. I'm not  saying
  there weren't any, I'm 
  say they are a very small  percentage of over all
  initiations in the US. The 
  events I  have seen put on by AOL have primarily
  Indians running the events and  
  Indians in large numbers attending. The difference
  in Indian  involvement in 
  AOL and the TMO is like night and day in the United  
  States.
 
 I've noticed that same thing especially in the last  5
 years. In the early 90's there were very few indians
 now its  Bangalore-West!
 
 
 
 
 
 
 Exactly 

So its mostly an Indian religious thing. 
Good luck wit' that. 

(lol)

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name

2006-07-01 Thread MDixon6569






In a message dated 6/30/06 9:01:21 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED].. wrote:  In a message dated 6/30/06 
  7:46:50 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 
   Indians in large numbers attending. 
  The difference  in Indian involvement in   AOL and the 
  TMO is like night and day in the United   States.  
  But how many indians were in the US back in the 70s when TM was 
  popular compared to how many are in the US now when AOL is popular? 
  Big, big difference.  
  There is a big difference in how many were here then and now. But how many 
   centers have you been in, in which you saw any Indian immigrants 
  donating time  or getting initiated. It wasn't because they 
  weren't out there, they were.  While you may feel uncomfortable 
  about walking into an AOL center or lecture  of some sort, try it 
  and see what you see. I think you would be surprised.  It's mostly 
  IndiansWow, how sad, the US Indians are the only ones 
  interested. Seems like AOL is dead in the 
  water.OffWorld


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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name

2006-07-01 Thread MDixon6569






In a message dated 6/30/06 9:01:01 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
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  --- Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED]com 
  wrote:snip  Well, it's hard to get out of AOL once you 
  get in; sort of like they  use scare tactics and other 
  brain-washing tools to keep you hooked.With all due respect, 
  what the f*ck are you talkingabout? I've been "in" the AOL and have seen 
  the innerworkings quite clearly and the people involvedincluding SSRS 
  are completely natural, spontaneous andopen. Seriously, what are you 
  talking about when yourefer to "scare tactics" and "brain washing?" Are 
  youjoking?

Robert, LOL, yes he's joking. AOL also stands for America 
On Line, who have been accused of not allowing people to escape or leave 
them. People have complained about having trouble canceling their service with 
AOL.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name

2006-07-01 Thread MDixon6569
In a message dated 6/30/06 8:52:27 P.M. Central  Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
ullshit, MIU/MUM had loads of  Indians when I was there. Many of the 
them are still in Fairfield or still  in to TM and are now living in 
the US

OffWorld

It may seem a  lot to you, but your sense of perspective is lacking. Go to 
any city in the US  where AOL is active and see the difference. In Houston, the 
overwhelming  majority you see in an AOL center are Indian, usually south 
Indian. I'm told  it's the same in other cities in Texas as well and apparently 
DrPete is noticing  the same or something similar situation where he is. 
Maharishi never attracted  large numbers of Indian immigrants to the TMO, not 
even 
small numbers, they were  tiny or token numbers. Ask the average Initiator how 
many Indians he/she has  initiated. It won't be many. The situation with MUM is 
that it is the hub  of the movement and many of those Indians are probably 
there on scholarship to  get a free or cheap education.  



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[FairfieldLife] Hypocrisy (was Re: Maharishi's name)

2006-07-01 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- authfriend wrote:
 
  --- Gillam wrote:
  
   --- authfriend wrote:
   
--- Rick  wrote:

 If ever the topic of women or sex came up, he would feign 
 ignorance, and would encourage single guys to be celibate, 
 like him.

And you see this as hypocrisy?
   
   (Butting in) Looks that way to me. How would you 
   interpret it, Judy? Genuinely curious. I'm not good 
   at this sort of perception.
  
  Well, I wasn't there, obviously.  But what the
  hell else could he say under the circumstances
  if he really thought the guys he was speaking to
  ought to be celibate for the sake of their
  evolution?
  
  I'm not condoning his illicit sexual behavior,
  given his position, but I'm not sure hypocrisy
  is the right term for what he told the guys.
 
 I see the nuance, and his conundrum. 
 
 Given the lame nature of his relationships - 
 maybe 30 minutes of nooky time at the end 
 of the work day now and again - he probably 
 didn't perceive himself as being in a relationship. 
 I'm not trying to rationalize his behavior. I'm 
 just assuming he was able to rationalize it himself.
 
 I had a spell some years ago when I enjoyed a 
 cigar or two on the weekend. After about six 
 months of this, I was looking at an insurance 
 form that asked, Have you used any tobacco 
 products in the past six months? If so, I had 
 to pay the smoker's rate for insurance. At that 
 point I realized, Oh my God. I'm a smoker. 
 Before that, I never thought of myself as a smoker. 
 It wasn't part of my identity. I was just enjoying 
 a cigar or two on the weekend. 
 
 Maybe Maharishi had the same delusion I did.
 Just as I thought I was essentially a non-smoker 
 even as I puffed away at my La Unicas, he was 
 able to think he was celibate when he dallying
 with his gopis.

Certainly possible.  What I had in mind was more
that, assuming he genuinely thought it would be
better for their spiritual development if they
stayed celibate, introducing any potential
cause for confusion over that instruction (How come
he can and we can't? Is he really enlightened if he
isn't celibate? etc. etc.) could inhibit their
development, so he was essentially telling a lie
for *their* benefit.

Ends justifying the means and all that, clearly a
rationalization and not the ideal we'd like to see
by any means, but not hypocrisy per se.

I wonder how often that kind of conundrum--not just
about sex but any bad habit or behavior--masters
have to deal with, pretending they don't indulge in
that habit or behavior because they perceive
(accurately or not) that to do otherwise would confuse
their followers and get in the way of their sadhana.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: invincible government collapses

2006-07-01 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablus108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ 
 wrote:
  --- nablus108 nablus108@ wrote:
   
   I guess its a combination. My feeling is beeing
   confirmed by an 
   american phsycic who happens to be a former
   TM-teacher. Claims to 
   have 70% correct in his predictions. I'll try to
   find his website if 
   you are interested.
  
  70% accuracy and a former TM teacher. But is he/she
  recertified? That is the real question. I don't take
  my predictions from just any old charlatan.
 
 A few samples of his predictions for this year:
 Los Angeles to be hit by an earthquake, 7,6 to 8,6 on the Richter 
 scale in july, august or september early in the morning about 5 am.
 Huge damage to Hollywood.
 Hurricane damage to Texas oilfields by a hurricane a little 
 stronger 
 than Katrina.
 Capitalism will go.
 
 http://yogavisionaries.com/future.php

So let's go for the big one. Who's gonna win 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name

2006-07-01 Thread MDixon6569






In a message dated 6/30/06 9:01:21 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED].. wrote:  In a message dated 6/30/06 
  7:46:50 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 
   Indians in large numbers attending. 
  The difference  in Indian involvement in   AOL and the 
  TMO is like night and day in the United   States.  
  But how many indians were in the US back in the 70s when TM was 
  popular compared to how many are in the US now when AOL is popular? 
  Big, big difference.  
  There is a big difference in how many were here then and now. But how many 
   centers have you been in, in which you saw any Indian immigrants 
  donating time  or getting initiated. It wasn't because they 
  weren't out there, they were.  While you may feel uncomfortable 
  about walking into an AOL center or lecture  of some sort, try it 
  and see what you see. I think you would be surprised.  It's mostly 
  IndiansWow, how sad, the US Indians are the only ones 
  interested. Seems like AOL is dead in the 
  water.OffWorld

No, because there are still more people going to them, even of 
different ethnic identities, than there are coming to the TMO. AOL is expanding 
not shrinking.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name

2006-07-01 Thread MDixon6569






In a message dated 6/30/06 9:02:57 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
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--- In 
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  "Robert Gimbel" babajii_99@... 
  wrote.Well, it's hard to get out of AOL once 
  you get in; sort of like theyuse scare tactics and other brain-washing 
  tools to keep you hookedDo you have experience or reports you 
  heard about this? Specifics?OffWorld

Yes, there was a class action law suit against AOL, America on 
Line, refresh yourself on the original post. People complained about having 
great difficulty canceling their service. LOL. They felt like they were being 
held hostage. LOL!
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name

2006-07-01 Thread MDixon6569






In a message dated 7/1/06 1:33:36 A.M. Central Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
The TM 
  mantras, of course, are in a *lot* of books. Did you think MMY had 
  swiped them from Sivananda? One of 
  the Age of enlightenment techniques is also in the Siva 
  Purana.Gasp, you mean the "traditional" techniques and mantras 
  are actually, well, "traditional?"

Bingo!These so called borrowed techniques are very 
traditional. Just because M uses these techniques to supplement or enhance 
TMdoesn't mean he has ripped them off from some other 
teacher.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name

2006-07-01 Thread MDixon6569






In a message dated 7/1/06 1:43:39 A.M. Central Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED].. wrote:  In a message dated 6/30/06 
  7:46:50 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 
   Indians in large numbers attending. 
  The difference  in Indian involvement in   AOL and the 
  TMO is like night and day in the United   States.  
  But how many indians were in the US back in the 70s when TM was 
  popular compared to how many are in the US now when AOL is popular? 
  Big, big difference.  
  There is a big difference in how many were here then and now. But how many 
   centers have you been in, in which you saw any Indian immigrants 
  donating time  or getting initiated. It wasn't because they weren't 
  out there, they were.  While you may feel uncomfortable about walking 
  into an AOL center or lecture  of some sort, try it and see what you 
  see. I think you would be surprised.  It's mostly 
  Indians.MMY geared TM for 
  westerners.

This is the main the reason why it didn't attract very many 
Indians. They thought it was too easy to be true and thought M was just making 
money.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name

2006-07-01 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
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 --- In  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 (mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com) ,  Robert Gimbel 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]  
 wrote.
 
 Well, it's hard to get out of AOL once  you get in; sort of like 
they
 use scare tactics and other brain-washing  tools to keep you 
hooked
 
 Do you have experience or reports you  heard about this? Specifics?
 
 OffWorld
 
 
 
 Yes, there was a class action law suit against AOL, America on  
Line, refresh 
 yourself on the original post. People complained about having  
great 
 difficulty canceling their service. LOL. They felt like they were 
being  held hostage. 
 LOL!

There's a video on YouTube or Google Video of a TV
interview with a guy who recorded his attempt to
cancel his AOL service.  The AOL dude keeps trying
and trying to talk him out of it, and the guy keeps
saying over and over, Cancel my account!  Cancel
my account!  He's perfectly polite, just insistent.
Finally the AOL dude says, Could you let me speak
to your father, please?  The guy is 30 years old.

Here's his blog entry, with a link to the recording:

http://insignificantthoughts.com/2006/06/13/cancelling-aol/

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[FairfieldLife] Nixon practiced Hatha Yoga?

2006-07-01 Thread MDixon6569





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[FairfieldLife] Re: invincible government collapses

2006-07-01 Thread new . morning
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablus108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 A few samples of his predictions for this year:
 Los Angeles to be hit by an earthquake, 7,6 to 8,6 on the Richter 
 scale in july, august or september early in the morning about 5 am.
 Huge damage to Hollywood.

Not  totally to point, but reminds me of on my TTC (first yr Mallorca)
Charlie had just come from the states and spoke. Said, Did you hear
the BIG news? NOOO, we gasped. LA was hit by a huge quake.
Much of it is leveled and devestated. When we go home, we found LA
quite in one piece.

 Hurricane damage to Texas oilfields by a hurricane a little stronger 
 than Katrina.

 Capitalism will go.

Now THAT would be a huge disaster. If you mean market economies will
be replaced by command and control production centers run by
bureaucrats. Economic growth, productivity and wage rates, will
plummet, prices will soar, there will be huge shortages, spending on
education, health, and good will efforts will fall. Now THAT is quite
a disaster scenario. 

And it will happen within ONLY six months! Reminds me of MMY saying
western democracies will all fall very soon, sooner than you think. 
That was about six months ago. I wonder if what he meant  by fall is
that (only) leadership will change persons or parties, and current
leaders will fall greatly in the polls, etc. That IS happening: Bush
and Blair have low polls, the US HR will probably change leadership in
Nov, Blair is in his last  days, Netherlands changes govt, Canda
changed to Conservative govt, China's leadership passed to a new
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[FairfieldLife] Happy Birthday Ken Hassman

2006-07-01 Thread Rick Archer
Title: Happy Birthday Ken Hassman





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: invincible government collapses

2006-07-01 Thread MDixon6569






In a message dated 7/1/06 10:03:35 A.M. Central Daylight Time, 
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the US 
  HR will probably change leadership inNov, Blair is in his last days, 
  Netherlands changes govt, Candachanged to Conservative govt, China's 
  leadership passed to a newgeneration, etc. 

Don't be too quick to think the HR is going to change 
leadership. The HR republicans have their fingers on the pulse of the nation 
when it comes to the heated immigration issue. This one issue will bring out 
republican and independent voters that might have stayed home for other reasons. 
And for those that believe Osama is playing Bush and the republicans like a 
flute, watch for him to do something to try to influence the election like he 
did a couple of weeks before the last one.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name

2006-07-01 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
 In a message dated 7/1/06 1:43:39 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
  
  
 --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
(mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com) 
 ,  MDixon6569@,  MDi
 
  
  In a message dated 6/30/06  7:46:50 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
  ffl@ writes:
   
  
  
  
   Indians in large numbers attending.  The difference
   in Indian involvement in 
   AOL and the  TMO is like night and day in the United 
   States.
  
   But how many indians were in the US back in the 70s
  when TM was  popular compared to how many are in the US
  now when AOL is popular?  Big, big difference.
  
  
  
  
  
   There is a big difference in how many were here then and now. 
But how many 
  
  centers have you been in, in which you saw any Indian immigrants  
donating 
 time 
  or getting initiated. It wasn't because they weren't  out there, 
they were. 
  While you may feel uncomfortable about walking  into an AOL 
center or 
 lecture 
  of some sort, try it and see what you  see. I think you would be 
surprised. 
  It's mostly  Indians.
 
 
 MMY geared TM for  westerners.
 
 This is the main the reason why it didn't attract very many 
 Indians. They thought it was too easy to be true and thought M was 
 just making  money.

In India, presumably he gears it for Indians.
Probably aren't a whole lot of Western immigrants
to India who are learning it there.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: invincible government collapses

2006-07-01 Thread authfriend
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snip
  And for those that believe Osama is 
 playing Bush and the republicans like a  flute, watch for him to do 
 something to try to influence the election like he  did a couple of 
 weeks before the last one.

You appear to be acknowledging that bin Laden's tape
before the 2004 election was intended to influence
folks to vote for Bush.

Good for you.  At the time, the right wing generally 
went around proclaiming that bin Laden wanted folks
to vote for Kerry, in an attempt to get people to vote
for Bush.

Bin Laden knew precisely what he was doing.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi: the press conference to end all press conferences!

2006-07-01 Thread shempmcgurk
i.e. Maharishi's way of saying: I'm bored with these weekly press 
conferences and don't want to do them anymore.




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 Press Conference with Maharishi, JUNE 21, 2006
 
 Maharishi: Jai Guru Dev. The press - the world press -
 has put me in a difficult positionion. 
 
 I am busy in creating the effect. I am busy in laying out 
 an administrative policy for every country to have 
 a few hundred people create invincibility for the nation. 
 
 But the world press demands that - this is from 
 the long history of the Movement - weekly press conferences. 
 
 Then I wish to address to the worrld press today that 
 the success is so great that I don't have time 
 to speak now anymore [laughter].
 
 Whatever I have spoken has been enough fruitful that 
 I don't have to speak now. I don't get time to speak. 
 
 Now I am busy in sorting out little, little details 
 of administrative values. Practical administrative values 
 have to be sorted out in every country, in every country, 
 even though the whole thing is automatic and it could go 
 without my any advice or anything. 
 
 But because it seems to be a new thing - people have been 
 suffering, and now the voice of the time is: 
 waves of bliss, waves of bliss, waves of bliss.
 
 So now the world press will excuse me for my success -
 that my success has put me on a level where I have 
 no time to talk to anyone. 
 
 I have only time to just - some missing area, some little thing.
 They are the practical administrative values - practical
 adminiistrative values for two hundred, four hundred, 
 these people to fly together.
 
 So there is no more time to talk about the principles. 
 Principles have been talked, have been established, 
 have been verified by scientific research in all these years -
 how many years. 
 
 And now there is time too structure the administrative procedures,
 administrative procedures, for those four hundred, five hundred, 
 two hundred people everywhere to live in a way that 
 they don't fall off the grace of total invincibility.
 
 So I'll be busy that way, and will not have much time 
 to speak about it. 
 
 So Prime Minister of the Global Country of World Peace 
 will inform the press that I'll be busy in 
 creating the effect, rather than talking about 
 the possibility of it, which I have been doing so far. 
 
 So speaking so far has been completely successful, 
 and now the success is [laughter] that I don't have time 
 to speak about the principle. I create the effect, effect, effect.
 
 And creating effect, from country to country, from country 
 to country - from in thee first country, Holland, the country 
 of wholeness. It is about two months that the Yogic Flyers 
 in Holland have been creating that effect - intensive effect -
 of coherence and positivity in the Dutch national consciousness. 
 
 And this has inspired the neighboring nations' Yogic Flyers 
 to follow the example of Holland. And they want to create 
 the same thing in their country, in their country. 
 
 So constantly, twenty-four hours, they are asking me. 
 They are asking me little, little things, and I am 
 not surprised, even those little, little things - but 
 I have to answer them.
 
 Therefore, I am on a working mood now, shifting 
 from speaking to working, from speaking to working, 
 from speaking to working. Now let me enjoy [laughter] 
 for some time working. 
 
 And then, I don't have even to work; 
 I just see the bubbles of bliss, the waves of bliss, 
 moving from country to country, from country to country, 
 from nation to nation, from galaxy to galaxy, from galaxy 
 to galaxy - the whole galactic universe governed 
 by one Total Natural Law, the Will of God.
 
 That will be witnessed in every country, in every country -
 that administration. That administraation I am setting up 
 in country by country. In the national consciousness 
 of each country, growing in invincibility will prove 
 to everyone that all kinds of positivity is growing 
 in every country, and negativity subsiding, subsiding. 
 
 And after some time, nobody would know what negativity means. 
 Positive will be a natural, normal state of life. 
 Success will be natural, normal state of every action. 
 Then success will belong to every knowledge, because 
 knowledge will be complete - Vedic knowledge will 
 be complete - in the awareness os of everyone.
 
 So all glory to Guru Dev. We are on the waves of bliss ourselves. 
 This is the supreme level of evolvement of life on earth. 
 And we are proud to be belonging to that level. 
 It's very good.
 
 So, Prime Minister, thank the world press. And thank 
 the - this is also the succcess of the reporting of world press. 
 Now they have been reporting all kinds of negative things, 
 and now their pen will be reporting nice things, 
 like that, like that, like that. 
 
 So put them on a new world, and don't mind if I'm 
 not able to speak to them. Jai 

[FairfieldLife] Advocate and God and Buddha

2006-07-01 Thread shempmcgurk
Thanks to Barry for recommennding The Advocate and whomever 
recommended God and Buddha.

I enjoyed The Advocate: well acted, great script and story and, of 
course, it had that soft-core porn element that characterized alot 
of '70s films but didn't expect here.

My big complaint about the movie didn't have to do with the movie 
but with some stupidity that the executive producers -- Miramax -- 
were responsible for (and I am otherwise a BIG fan of the 
Weinstein's): at the beginning of the movie was a printed notice 
that basically said: Critics, please refrain from revealing the 
surprise ending to this movie.

Well, I spent the whole movie wondering what little secret I should 
be looking out for and, quite frankly, I lost my innocence in 
watching and it somewhat ruined the movie for me.

God and Buddha is really quite fine.  My admiration for Deepak 
Chopra was renewed as a result of seeing it.  As he himself once 
observed about himself: He has the gift of the gab.  He is, simply, 
a great communicator...a faculty for explaining in a melodic and 
soothing way abstract concepts in an interesting and educational way.

Of course, virtually 90% of what he says comes from Maharishi.  This 
is not a put-down, but an observation.  I just find it curious that 
he uses MMY's exact phrasing of things.  He is basically a celebrity 
TM teacher without the TM.





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: invincible government collapses

2006-07-01 Thread MDixon6569






In a message dated 7/1/06 10:44:59 A.M. Central Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED].. wrote:snipAnd for those that believe Osama 
  is  playing Bush and the republicans like a flute, watch for him to do 
   something to try to influence the election like he did a couple of 
   weeks before the last one.You appear to be acknowledging that 
  bin Laden's tapebefore the 2004 election was intended to 
  influencefolks to vote for Bush.Good for you. At the time, the 
  right wing generally went around proclaiming that bin Laden wanted 
  folksto vote for Kerry, in an attempt to get people to votefor 
  Bush.Bin Laden knew precisely what he was 
  doing.

I'm not prepared to say Osama was wanting Bush elected. 
However Osama was trying to divide and conquer. I seem to remember him saying 
something about any state or city that didn't support Bush would be spared 
attacks by Al Qaeda. This sounded like an attempt to get people to vote against 
Bush for their own safety and whether it backfired or not and whether he 
intended it to "backfire" is debatable. I think most people saw his tape as 
being laughable and an attempt to influence the election and left it at that. I 
don't think it changed anybody's minds of how they would 
vote.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Happy Birthday Ken Hassman

2006-07-01 Thread Kenny H
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hooray for Ken!


Thanks kindly Rick. At 58, I'm very happy to have now passed my dad,
who died at 57.

KH





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[FairfieldLife] English names you never see in America

2006-07-01 Thread shempmcgurk
There are certain English names you almost never see used in America 
but that the Brits use, kinda like names African-Americans give their 
children that you would never see in other communities (Shaniqua, 
Shaquille, Daneesha, etc.).

Some examples:

Giles
Nigel
Clive





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[FairfieldLife] Re: invincible government collapses

2006-07-01 Thread cardemaister
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
  http://yogavisionaries.com/future.php
 
 So let's go for the big one. Who's gonna win 
 the World Cup?


Hmmm... Deutschland?  :0





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[FairfieldLife] Hypocrisy (was Re: Maharishi's name)

2006-07-01 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- authfriend wrote:

 I wonder how often that kind of conundrum--not just
 about sex but any bad habit or behavior--masters
 have to deal with, pretending they don't indulge in
 that habit or behavior because they perceive
 (accurately or not) that to do otherwise would confuse
 their followers and get in the way of their sadhana.

Maybe the solution would be for the master to 
promote his or her sadhana as a single element one 
adds to one's daily routine, rather than insisting 
students give up this behavior or adopt that one. 

Teaching, say, a meditation technique alone, 
without all the concomitant lifestyle stuff - 
diets, sexual protocols and such - would free
the master from having to exemplify the ideal 
lifestyle.

But what master has ever taken such a tack?
It would be bold indeed.





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Fwd: [FairfieldLife] English names you never see in America

2006-07-01 Thread MDixon6569






In a message dated 7/1/06 12:01:55 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  
  
  There are certain "English" names you almost never see used in America 
  but that the Brits use, kinda like names African-Americans give their 
  children that you would never see in other communities (Shaniqua, 
  Shaquille, Daneesha, etc.).Some 
  examples:GilesNigelClive

I knew an English initiatornamed Clive Richardson. The 
last I heard , he wasteaching in South Africa. However, these English 
names you mention are very traditional and have been used for generations. The 
African/ American names, I think, are relatively knew,since the sixties. 
They are meant to sound anything but English and hopefullysound African. I 
have heard African/ Americans that are moving up refer to them as *ghetto* 
names.
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There are certain English names you almost never see used in America 
but that the Brits use, kinda like names African-Americans give their 
children that you would never see in other communities (Shaniqua, 
Shaquille, Daneesha, etc.).

Some examples:

Giles
Nigel
Clive


  






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Re: [FairfieldLife] English names you never see in America

2006-07-01 Thread Bhairitu
shempmcgurk wrote:

There are certain English names you almost never see used in America 
but that the Brits use, kinda like names African-Americans give their 
children that you would never see in other communities (Shaniqua, 
Shaquille, Daneesha, etc.).

Some examples:

Giles
Nigel
Clive

A girlfriend I had in the early 1970's (who got me into TM) had a 
brother with the name Nigel.  Her mother was a former British fashion 
fashion model and gave the kids British names.



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[FairfieldLife] Re: The 70's -Now and Then...

2006-07-01 Thread jim_flanegin
I must weigh in on the side of Now being better...because it is Now. 

Also the fact that Barry can ask 1000+ people this question 
simultaneously without thinking twice about it, is a huge 
transformation from the Big Three TV channels, a local newspaper and 
wired phone service we had in the 70's.

I often think that these days seem worse to many of us simply because 
there are no more closed doors to what we can be aware of, on a 
social, regional, national, and global basis.

Personally I like it much much better this way- more to deal with,  
but also a greater possiblity that we can tackle larger issues more 
successfully and collaboratively. Of course there has been the ability 
for those in power to use these same tools to entrench and consolidate 
their power. But they can't get away with as much for as long as they 
used to. Through the communications revolution, we are all being 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name

2006-07-01 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
 In a message dated 7/1/06 1:43:39 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
  
  
 --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com) 
 ,  MDixon6569@,  MDi
 
  
  In a message dated 6/30/06  7:46:50 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
  ffl@ writes:
   
  
  
  
   Indians in large numbers attending.  The difference
   in Indian involvement in 
   AOL and the  TMO is like night and day in the United 
   States.
  
   But how many indians were in the US back in the 70s
  when TM was  popular compared to how many are in the US
  now when AOL is popular?  Big, big difference.
  
  
  
  
  
   There is a big difference in how many were here then and now. But how many 
  
  centers have you been in, in which you saw any Indian immigrants  donating 
 time 
  or getting initiated. It wasn't because they weren't  out there, they were. 
  While you may feel uncomfortable about walking  into an AOL center or 
 lecture 
  of some sort, try it and see what you  see. I think you would be surprised. 
  It's mostly  Indians.
 
 
 MMY geared TM for  westerners.
 
 
 
 
 
 This is the main the reason why it didn't attract very many  Indians. They 
 thought it was too easy to be true and thought M was just making  money.


MMY still has that problem. Witness the Buddhist descriptions where they inform 
you of 
how you don't attempt to control the mind or the focus of attention and then 
warn you to 
be vigilant and make sure you don't fall asleep or get lost in thoughts...

Can't be TOO easy or its not working!

Obviously, MMY just doesn't get it while the ones that advocate subtle effort 
and control 
do.







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Re: [FairfieldLife] Nixon practiced Hatha Yoga?

2006-07-01 Thread Peter
He and Agnew used to do Bastrika together.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name

2006-07-01 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
 In a message dated 7/1/06 1:33:36 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
 The TM  mantras, of course, are in a *lot* of books. Did
  you think MMY had  swiped them from Sivananda?
  
  
  
  
  One of  the Age of enlightenment techniques is also in the Siva  Purana.
 
 
 Gasp, you mean the traditional techniques and mantras  are actually, well, 
 traditional?G
 
 
 
 
 Bingo!These so called borrowed techniques are very  traditional. Just because 
 M uses these techniques  to supplement or enhance  TM doesn't mean he has 
 ripped them off from some other  teacher.


My belief is that MMY runs them through the filter of his own ability to 
reconstitute the 
original and most effective teaching, and then gives it out again.





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[FairfieldLife] Hypocrisy (was Re: Maharishi's name)

2006-07-01 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam jpgillam@ 
 wrote:
 
  --- authfriend wrote:
  
   --- Gillam wrote:
   
--- authfriend wrote:

 --- Rick  wrote:
 
  If ever the topic of women or sex came up, he would feign 
  ignorance, and would encourage single guys to be celibate, 
  like him.
 
 And you see this as hypocrisy?

(Butting in) Looks that way to me. How would you 
interpret it, Judy? Genuinely curious. I'm not good 
at this sort of perception.
   
   Well, I wasn't there, obviously.  But what the
   hell else could he say under the circumstances
   if he really thought the guys he was speaking to
   ought to be celibate for the sake of their
   evolution?
   
   I'm not condoning his illicit sexual behavior,
   given his position, but I'm not sure hypocrisy
   is the right term for what he told the guys.
  
  I see the nuance, and his conundrum. 
  
  Given the lame nature of his relationships - 
  maybe 30 minutes of nooky time at the end 
  of the work day now and again - he probably 
  didn't perceive himself as being in a relationship. 
  I'm not trying to rationalize his behavior. I'm 
  just assuming he was able to rationalize it himself.
  
  I had a spell some years ago when I enjoyed a 
  cigar or two on the weekend. After about six 
  months of this, I was looking at an insurance 
  form that asked, Have you used any tobacco 
  products in the past six months? If so, I had 
  to pay the smoker's rate for insurance. At that 
  point I realized, Oh my God. I'm a smoker. 
  Before that, I never thought of myself as a smoker. 
  It wasn't part of my identity. I was just enjoying 
  a cigar or two on the weekend. 
  
  Maybe Maharishi had the same delusion I did.
  Just as I thought I was essentially a non-smoker 
  even as I puffed away at my La Unicas, he was 
  able to think he was celibate when he dallying
  with his gopis.
 
 Certainly possible.  What I had in mind was more
 that, assuming he genuinely thought it would be
 better for their spiritual development if they
 stayed celibate, introducing any potential
 cause for confusion over that instruction (How come
 he can and we can't? Is he really enlightened if he
 isn't celibate? etc. etc.) could inhibit their
 development, so he was essentially telling a lie
 for *their* benefit.
 
 Ends justifying the means and all that, clearly a
 rationalization and not the ideal we'd like to see
 by any means, but not hypocrisy per se.
 
 I wonder how often that kind of conundrum--not just
 about sex but any bad habit or behavior--masters
 have to deal with, pretending they don't indulge in
 that habit or behavior because they perceive
 (accurately or not) that to do otherwise would confuse
 their followers and get in the way of their sadhana.


I recall being in an airport once with a couple of fellow sidhas while a bunch 
of Japanese 
assured us that their teacher, who was calmly smoking a cigarette in the 
corner, was the 
greatest living Zen master...








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[FairfieldLife] Re: Happy Birthday Ken Hassman

2006-07-01 Thread jim_flanegin
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Advocate and God and Buddha

2006-07-01 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Thanks to Barry for recommennding The Advocate and whomever 
 recommended God and Buddha.
 
 I enjoyed The Advocate: well acted, great script and story and, of 
 course, it had that soft-core porn element that characterized alot 
 of '70s films but didn't expect here.
 
 My big complaint about the movie didn't have to do with the movie 
 but with some stupidity that the executive producers -- Miramax -- 
 were responsible for (and I am otherwise a BIG fan of the 
 Weinstein's): at the beginning of the movie was a printed notice 
 that basically said: Critics, please refrain from revealing the 
 surprise ending to this movie.
 
 Well, I spent the whole movie wondering what little secret I should 
 be looking out for and, quite frankly, I lost my innocence in 
 watching and it somewhat ruined the movie for me.
 
 God and Buddha is really quite fine.  My admiration for Deepak 
 Chopra was renewed as a result of seeing it.  As he himself once 
 observed about himself: He has the gift of the gab.  He is, simply, 
 a great communicator...a faculty for explaining in a melodic and 
 soothing way abstract concepts in an interesting and educational way.
 
 Of course, virtually 90% of what he says comes from Maharishi.  This 
 is not a put-down, but an observation.  I just find it curious that 
 he uses MMY's exact phrasing of things.  He is basically a celebrity 
 TM teacher without the TM.


Who changes his books to eliminate all reference to MMY and TM.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: invincible government collapses

2006-07-01 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
 In a message dated 7/1/06 10:44:59 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
  
  
 --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
(mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com) 
 ,  MDixon6569@,  MDi
 snip
 And for those that believe Osama  is 
  playing Bush and the republicans like a flute, watch for him to 
do  
  something to try to influence the election like he did a couple 
of  
  weeks before the last one.
 
 You appear to be acknowledging that  bin Laden's tape
 before the 2004 election was intended to  influence
 folks to vote for Bush.
 
 Good for you. At the time, the  right wing generally 
 went around proclaiming that bin Laden wanted  folks
 to vote for Kerry, in an attempt to get people to vote
 for  Bush.
 
 Bin Laden knew precisely what he was  doing.
 
 I'm not prepared to say Osama was wanting Bush elected.  However 
 Osama was trying to divide and conquer. I seem to remember him 
 saying  something about any state or city that didn't support Bush 
 would be spared  attacks by Al Qaeda. This sounded like an attempt 
 to get people to vote against  Bush for their own safety and 
 whether it backfired or not and whether he  intended it to 
 backfire is debatable.

Oh, of course he intended it to backfire.  Bush
is Osama's wildest dream come true.

 I think most people saw his tape as  being laughable and an 
 attempt to influence the election and left it at that. I  don't
 think it changed anybody's minds of how they would  vote.

I doubt it had much if any effect.  But the way the
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name

2006-07-01 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 In a message dated 7/1/06 1:33:36 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
[I wrote, in response to Vaj:]
 The TM  mantras, of course, are in a *lot* of books. Did
  you think MMY had  swiped them from Sivananda?
  
  One of  the Age of enlightenment techniques is also in the Siva  
  Purana.
 
 Gasp, you mean the traditional techniques and mantras  are 
 actually, well, traditional?G
 
 Bingo!These so called borrowed techniques are very  traditional.
 Just because M uses these techniques  to supplement or enhance  TM 
 doesn't mean he has ripped them off from some other  teacher.

Vaj knows that, of course.  He was hoping others would not.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi: the press conference to end all press conferences!

2006-07-01 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 i.e. Maharishi's way of saying: I'm bored with these weekly press 
 conferences and don't want to do them anymore.

Could also be he's getting so frail they wipe him out,
and he wants to save his strength for more important
stuff.

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, george_deforest 
 george.deforest@ wrote:
 
  Press Conference with Maharishi, JUNE 21, 2006
  
  Maharishi: Jai Guru Dev. The press - the world press -
  has put me in a difficult positionion. 
  
  I am busy in creating the effect. I am busy in laying out 
  an administrative policy for every country to have 
  a few hundred people create invincibility for the nation. 
  
  But the world press demands that - this is from 
  the long history of the Movement - weekly press conferences. 
  
  Then I wish to address to the worrld press today that 
  the success is so great that I don't have time 
  to speak now anymore [laughter].
  
  Whatever I have spoken has been enough fruitful that 
  I don't have to speak now. I don't get time to speak. 
  
  Now I am busy in sorting out little, little details 
  of administrative values. Practical administrative values 
  have to be sorted out in every country, in every country, 
  even though the whole thing is automatic and it could go 
  without my any advice or anything. 
  
  But because it seems to be a new thing - people have been 
  suffering, and now the voice of the time is: 
  waves of bliss, waves of bliss, waves of bliss.
  
  So now the world press will excuse me for my success -
  that my success has put me on a level where I have 
  no time to talk to anyone. 
  
  I have only time to just - some missing area, some little thing.
  They are the practical administrative values - practical
  adminiistrative values for two hundred, four hundred, 
  these people to fly together.
  
  So there is no more time to talk about the principles. 
  Principles have been talked, have been established, 
  have been verified by scientific research in all these years -
  how many years. 
  
  And now there is time too structure the administrative procedures,
  administrative procedures, for those four hundred, five hundred, 
  two hundred people everywhere to live in a way that 
  they don't fall off the grace of total invincibility.
  
  So I'll be busy that way, and will not have much time 
  to speak about it. 
  
  So Prime Minister of the Global Country of World Peace 
  will inform the press that I'll be busy in 
  creating the effect, rather than talking about 
  the possibility of it, which I have been doing so far. 
  
  So speaking so far has been completely successful, 
  and now the success is [laughter] that I don't have time 
  to speak about the principle. I create the effect, effect, effect.
  
  And creating effect, from country to country, from country 
  to country - from in thee first country, Holland, the country 
  of wholeness. It is about two months that the Yogic Flyers 
  in Holland have been creating that effect - intensive effect -
  of coherence and positivity in the Dutch national consciousness. 
  
  And this has inspired the neighboring nations' Yogic Flyers 
  to follow the example of Holland. And they want to create 
  the same thing in their country, in their country. 
  
  So constantly, twenty-four hours, they are asking me. 
  They are asking me little, little things, and I am 
  not surprised, even those little, little things - but 
  I have to answer them.
  
  Therefore, I am on a working mood now, shifting 
  from speaking to working, from speaking to working, 
  from speaking to working. Now let me enjoy [laughter] 
  for some time working. 
  
  And then, I don't have even to work; 
  I just see the bubbles of bliss, the waves of bliss, 
  moving from country to country, from country to country, 
  from nation to nation, from galaxy to galaxy, from galaxy 
  to galaxy - the whole galactic universe governed 
  by one Total Natural Law, the Will of God.
  
  That will be witnessed in every country, in every country -
  that administration. That administraation I am setting up 
  in country by country. In the national consciousness 
  of each country, growing in invincibility will prove 
  to everyone that all kinds of positivity is growing 
  in every country, and negativity subsiding, subsiding. 
  
  And after some time, nobody would know what negativity means. 
  Positive will be a natural, normal state of life. 
  Success will be natural, normal state of every action. 
  Then success will belong to every knowledge, because 
  knowledge will be complete - Vedic knowledge will 
  be complete - in the awareness os of everyone.
  
  So all glory to Guru Dev. We are on the waves of bliss ourselves. 
  This is the supreme level of evolvement of life on earth. 
  And we are proud to be belonging to that level. 
  It's very good.
  
  So, Prime Minister, thank the world press. And thank 
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name

2006-07-01 Thread off_world_beings
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
 In a message dated 6/30/06 9:02:57 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
 --- In  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 (mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com) ,  Robert Gimbel 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]  
 wrote.
 
 Well, it's hard to get out of AOL once  you get in; sort of 
like they
 use scare tactics and other brain-washing  tools to keep you 
hooked
 
 Do you have experience or reports you  heard about this? Specifics?
 
 OffWorld
 
 
 
 Yes, there was a class action law suit against AOL, America on  
Line, refresh 
 yourself on the original post. People complained about having  
great 
 difficulty canceling their service. LOL. They felt like they were 
being  held hostage. 
 LOL!

Ah yes, THAT aol. I had the same experiences. I would like AOL to 
completely be wiped of the face of the planet. Please God...do it.

OffWorld





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name

2006-07-01 Thread off_world_beings
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 In a message dated 6/30/06 8:52:27 P.M. Central  Daylight Time, 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 ullshit, MIU/MUM had loads of  Indians when I was there. Many of 
the 
 them are still in Fairfield or still  in to TM and are now living 
in 
 the US
 
 OffWorld
 
 It may seem a  lot to you, but your sense of perspective is 
lacking. Go to 
 any city in the US  where AOL is active and see the difference. In 
Houston, the 
 overwhelming  majority you see in an AOL center are Indian, 
usually south 
 Indian. I'm told  it's the same in other cities in Texas as well 
and apparently 
 DrPete is noticing  the same or something similar situation where 
he is. 


So it is mostly US Indian religion...
Like I sayGood luck wit' that

(lol)

OffWorld

 Maharishi never attracted  large numbers of Indian immigrants to 
the TMO, not even 
 small numbers, they were  tiny or token numbers. 

Who cares.

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Advocate and God and Buddha

2006-07-01 Thread Bhairitu
I recommended God and Buddha.  You might also enjoy Fierce Grace, if 
you haven't already seen it.

shempmcgurk wrote:

Thanks to Barry for recommennding The Advocate and whomever 
recommended God and Buddha.

I enjoyed The Advocate: well acted, great script and story and, of 
course, it had that soft-core porn element that characterized alot 
of '70s films but didn't expect here.

My big complaint about the movie didn't have to do with the movie 
but with some stupidity that the executive producers -- Miramax -- 
were responsible for (and I am otherwise a BIG fan of the 
Weinstein's): at the beginning of the movie was a printed notice 
that basically said: Critics, please refrain from revealing the 
surprise ending to this movie.

Well, I spent the whole movie wondering what little secret I should 
be looking out for and, quite frankly, I lost my innocence in 
watching and it somewhat ruined the movie for me.

God and Buddha is really quite fine.  My admiration for Deepak 
Chopra was renewed as a result of seeing it.  As he himself once 
observed about himself: He has the gift of the gab.  He is, simply, 
a great communicator...a faculty for explaining in a melodic and 
soothing way abstract concepts in an interesting and educational way.

Of course, virtually 90% of what he says comes from Maharishi.  This 
is not a put-down, but an observation.  I just find it curious that 
he uses MMY's exact phrasing of things.  He is basically a celebrity 
TM teacher without the TM.




  




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[FairfieldLife] File - FFL Acronyms

2006-07-01 Thread FairfieldLife

BC - Brahman Consciousness
BN - Bliss Ninny or Bliss Nazi
CC - Cosmic Consciousness
GC - God Consciousness
MMY - Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
POV - Point of View
SBS - Swami Brahmananda Saraswati, Maharishi's master
SCI – Science of Creative Intelligence
SSRS - Sri Sri Ravi Shankar (Pundit-ji)
SV - Stpathya Ved (Vedic Architecture)
TB - True Believer (in TM doctrines)
TNB - True Non-Believer
TMO - The Transcendental Meditation organization
TTC – TM Teacher Training Course
UC - Unity Consciousness


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[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name

2006-07-01 Thread off_world_beings
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

DIXON
walking into an AOL center or lecture of some sort, try it and see 
what you see. I think you would be surprised. It's mostly Indians. 
It's mostly Indians. It's mostly Indians. It's mostly Indians. It's 
mostly Indians. It's mostly Indians. It's mostly Indians. It's 
mostly IndiansIt's mostly Indians. It's mostly Indians .

OffWorld
...the US Indians are the only ones interested...

DIXON
No, because there are still more people going to them, even of 
different ethnic identities, than there are coming to the TMO. AOL 
is expanding not shrinking.


ROFLMAO ! ! !
Dixon says AOL is mostly Indians , but mostly not Indians. 

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Advocate and God and Buddha

2006-07-01 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I recommended God and Buddha.  You might also enjoy Fierce 
Grace, if 
 you haven't already seen it.



If that's the Baba Rum Dum documentary then, yes, I've seen it and 
enjoyed it (although, as usual, I found Ram Das to be a complete 
mood maker).



 
 shempmcgurk wrote:
 
 Thanks to Barry for recommennding The Advocate and whomever 
 recommended God and Buddha.
 
 I enjoyed The Advocate: well acted, great script and story and, 
of 
 course, it had that soft-core porn element that characterized 
alot 
 of '70s films but didn't expect here.
 
 My big complaint about the movie didn't have to do with the movie 
 but with some stupidity that the executive producers -- Miramax --
 
 were responsible for (and I am otherwise a BIG fan of the 
 Weinstein's): at the beginning of the movie was a printed notice 
 that basically said: Critics, please refrain from revealing the 
 surprise ending to this movie.
 
 Well, I spent the whole movie wondering what little secret I 
should 
 be looking out for and, quite frankly, I lost my innocence in 
 watching and it somewhat ruined the movie for me.
 
 God and Buddha is really quite fine.  My admiration for Deepak 
 Chopra was renewed as a result of seeing it.  As he himself once 
 observed about himself: He has the gift of the gab.  He is, 
simply, 
 a great communicator...a faculty for explaining in a melodic and 
 soothing way abstract concepts in an interesting and educational 
way.
 
 Of course, virtually 90% of what he says comes from Maharishi.  
This 
 is not a put-down, but an observation.  I just find it curious 
that 
 he uses MMY's exact phrasing of things.  He is basically a 
celebrity 
 TM teacher without the TM.
 
 
 
 
   
 








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[FairfieldLife] Re: Advocate and God and Buddha

2006-07-01 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ 
wrote:
 
  Thanks to Barry for recommennding The Advocate and whomever 
  recommended God and Buddha.
  
  I enjoyed The Advocate: well acted, great script and story 
and, of 
  course, it had that soft-core porn element that characterized 
alot 
  of '70s films but didn't expect here.
  
  My big complaint about the movie didn't have to do with the 
movie 
  but with some stupidity that the executive producers -- Miramax -
- 
  were responsible for (and I am otherwise a BIG fan of the 
  Weinstein's): at the beginning of the movie was a printed notice 
  that basically said: Critics, please refrain from revealing the 
  surprise ending to this movie.
  
  Well, I spent the whole movie wondering what little secret I 
should 
  be looking out for and, quite frankly, I lost my innocence in 
  watching and it somewhat ruined the movie for me.
  
  God and Buddha is really quite fine.  My admiration for Deepak 
  Chopra was renewed as a result of seeing it.  As he himself once 
  observed about himself: He has the gift of the gab.  He is, 
simply, 
  a great communicator...a faculty for explaining in a melodic and 
  soothing way abstract concepts in an interesting and educational 
way.
  
  Of course, virtually 90% of what he says comes from Maharishi.  
This 
  is not a put-down, but an observation.  I just find it curious 
that 
  he uses MMY's exact phrasing of things.  He is basically a 
celebrity 
  TM teacher without the TM.
 
 
 Who changes his books to eliminate all reference to MMY and TM.


He must really be angry with the TMO and MMY to have done that.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Advocate and God and Buddha

2006-07-01 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk 
shempmcgurk@ 
 wrote:
  
   Thanks to Barry for recommennding The Advocate and whomever 
   recommended God and Buddha.
   
   I enjoyed The Advocate: well acted, great script and story 
 and, of 
   course, it had that soft-core porn element that characterized 
 alot 
   of '70s films but didn't expect here.
   
   My big complaint about the movie didn't have to do with the 
 movie 
   but with some stupidity that the executive producers -- 
Miramax -
 - 
   were responsible for (and I am otherwise a BIG fan of the 
   Weinstein's): at the beginning of the movie was a printed 
notice 
   that basically said: Critics, please refrain from revealing the 
   surprise ending to this movie.
   
   Well, I spent the whole movie wondering what little secret I 
 should 
   be looking out for and, quite frankly, I lost my innocence in 
   watching and it somewhat ruined the movie for me.
   
   God and Buddha is really quite fine.  My admiration for 
   Deepak Chopra was renewed as a result of seeing it.  As he 
   himself once observed about himself: He has the gift of the 
   gab.  He is, simply, a great communicator...a faculty for 
   explaining in a melodic and soothing way abstract concepts in 
   an interesting and educational way.
   
   Of course, virtually 90% of what he says comes from Maharishi.  
   This is not a put-down, but an observation.  I just find it 
   curious that he uses MMY's exact phrasing of things.  He is 
   basically a celebrity TM teacher without the TM.
  
  Who changes his books to eliminate all reference to MMY and TM.
 
 He must really be angry with the TMO and MMY to have done that.

I've always suspected the TMO *asked* him to do so, to
avoid any possible confusion about whether he's teaching
genyoowine TM under MMY's auspices.  I also suspect
Deepak would be quite happy to trade on MMY's name if he
could, but he doesn't want to get into a fight with the 
TMO, so he doesn't.

He certainly doesn't try to hide his past association
with MMY and the TMO, as we saw a while back with his
interview with that Indian paper about why the Beatles
supposedly left MMY's ashram.






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Re: [FairfieldLife] English names you never see in America

2006-07-01 Thread MDixon6569






In a message dated 7/1/06 1:36:36 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  
  
  shempmcgurk wrote:There are certain "English" names you almost 
  never see used in America but that the Brits use, kinda like names 
  African-Americans give their children that you would never see in 
  other communities (Shaniqua, Shaquille, Daneesha, 
  etc.).Some 
  examples:GilesNigelCliveA 
  girlfriend I had in the early 1970's (who got me into TM) had a brother 
  with the name Nigel. Her mother was a former British fashion fashion model 
  and gave the kids British 
names.

I always thought these were cool names for my English Setters 
that I raised over the years.
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[FairfieldLife] Hypocrisy (was Re: Maharishi's name)

2006-07-01 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- authfriend wrote:
 
  I wonder how often that kind of conundrum--not just
  about sex but any bad habit or behavior--masters
  have to deal with, pretending they don't indulge in
  that habit or behavior because they perceive
  (accurately or not) that to do otherwise would confuse
  their followers and get in the way of their sadhana.
 
 Maybe the solution would be for the master to 
 promote his or her sadhana as a single element one 
 adds to one's daily routine, rather than insisting 
 students give up this behavior or adopt that one. 
 
 Teaching, say, a meditation technique alone, 
 without all the concomitant lifestyle stuff - 
 diets, sexual protocols and such - would free
 the master from having to exemplify the ideal 
 lifestyle.
 
 But what master has ever taken such a tack?
 It would be bold indeed.

MMY did at first, then he changed his mind.

But he was talking to teachers here, no?  Not the
rank and file.  The most devoted followers are always
going to try to emulate the master every way they can,
no matter what the master says or doesn't say.  And
they're all going to have some idea of what
constitutes good behavior.  I think to some extent
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name

2006-07-01 Thread MDixon6569






In a message dated 7/1/06 1:57:29 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED].. wrote:  In a message dated 7/1/06 
  1:43:39 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 
 --- In _FairfieldLife@FairfieldLifFai_ 
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   , MDixon6569@, MDi In a 
  message dated 6/30/06 7:46:50 P.M. Central Daylight Time,   
  ffl@ writes:
 Indians in large numbers attending. The difference 
in Indian involvement inAOL and the TMO is like 
  night and day in the UnitedStates.   
   But how many indians were in the US back in the 70s  when TM 
  was popular compared to how many are in the US  now when AOL is 
  popular? Big, big difference.  
There is a big difference in how 
  many were here then and now. But how manycenters have 
  you been in, in which you saw any Indian immigrants donating  time 
or getting initiated. It wasn't because they weren't out there, 
  they were.   While you may feel uncomfortable about walking into 
  an AOL center or  lecture   of some sort, try it and see 
  what you see. I think you would be surprised.   It's mostly 
  Indians.   MMY geared TM for westerners. 
   This is the main the reason why 
  it didn't attract very many Indians. They  thought it was too easy to 
  be true and thought M was just making money.MMY still has that 
  problem. Witness the Buddhist descriptions where they inform you of how 
  you don't attempt to control the mind or the focus of attention and then warn 
  you to be "vigilant" and make sure you don't fall asleep or get lost in 
  thoughts...Can't be TOO easy or its not working!Obviously, MMY 
  just doesn't "get" it while the ones that advocate subtle effort and control 
  do.

When I refer to Indians thinking Maharishi's teaching is too 
easy to be true, I mean M always said just Meditate twice a day for twenty 
minutes and go about your normal business. They knew there was a lot more to it 
than that. Just look at what is expected of us today and what we were told 
in 1970.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name

2006-07-01 Thread MDixon6569






In a message dated 7/1/06 3:51:53 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
OffWorld...the US Indians are the only ones 
  interested...DIXONNo, because there are still more people 
  going to them, even of different ethnic identities, than there are coming 
  to the TMO. AOL is expanding not shrinking.ROFLMAO ! ! !Dixon 
  says AOL is mostly Indians , but mostly not Indians. 
  OffWOrld

Is that what I said? No, the AOL programs I have seen involve 
a higher percentage of Indians than any other singleethnic group, white, 
black, Hispanic, east Asian. But even with out the Indians, AOL is still 
growing faster than the TMO.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: And I thought *I* had OCD problems...

2006-07-01 Thread Alex Stanley
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[snip]
 Andrew Skolnick--with whom I had many disputes when
 he was posting to alt.meditation.transcendental--is
 one of the sleaziest people I've ever encountered.  That
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He's really not a journalist. He's a skeptic writer/commentator... the
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[FairfieldLife] Hypocrisy (was Re: Maharishi's name)

2006-07-01 Thread Kenny H
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam jpgillam@ 
 wrote:
 
  --- authfriend wrote:
  
   I wonder how often that kind of conundrum--not just
   about sex but any bad habit or behavior--masters
   have to deal with, pretending they don't indulge in
   that habit or behavior because they perceive
   (accurately or not) that to do otherwise would confuse
   their followers and get in the way of their sadhana.
  
  Maybe the solution would be for the master to 
  promote his or her sadhana as a single element one 
  adds to one's daily routine, rather than insisting 
  students give up this behavior or adopt that one. 
  
  Teaching, say, a meditation technique alone, 
  without all the concomitant lifestyle stuff - 
  diets, sexual protocols and such - would free
  the master from having to exemplify the ideal 
  lifestyle.
  
  But what master has ever taken such a tack?
  It would be bold indeed.
 
 MMY did at first, then he changed his mind.

Personally, I always thought that Maharishi should have kept his
message as simple as it first started out-twenty minutes twice per day
then go about living your normal life, no change in lifestyle required
(yes I know, this is where people will say, well you didn't have to
choose to add everything else), 200% of life--100% inner + 100%
outer, etc. We used to tell people at intro lectures that the great
thing about TM was that you didn't even have to believe in it, which,
of course you still don't, but we also used to say that it was not a
lifestyle. It was a fairly innocent message with a smack of Hinduism
which made it all the more delicious during that era. 



 
 But he was talking to teachers here, no?  Not the
 rank and file.  The most devoted followers are always
 going to try to emulate the master every way they can,
 no matter what the master says or doesn't say.  And
 they're all going to have some idea of what
 constitutes good behavior.  I think to some extent
 the conundrum is unavoidable.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name

2006-07-01 Thread off_world_beings
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
 In a message dated 7/1/06 3:51:53 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
 OffWorld
 ...the US Indians are the only ones  interested...
 
 DIXON
 No, because there are still more people  going to them, even of 
 different ethnic identities, than there are coming  to the TMO. 
AOL 
 is expanding not shrinking.
 
 ROFLMAO ! ! !
 Dixon  says AOL is mostly Indians , but mostly not Indians.  
 
 OffWOrld
 
 
 
 Is that what I said? No, the AOL programs I have seen involve  a 
higher 
 percentage of Indians than any other single ethnic group, white,  
black, Hispanic, 
 east Asian . But even with out the Indians, AOL is still  growing 
faster than 
 the TMO.

Yes dear, you said, quote: it is mostly Indians, and how there are 
no Indians in TMO anymore.

You are right, because I can't see one single Indian on this whole 
page of pictures of TMO !
http://tinyurl.com/s42gn

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Advocate and God and Buddha

2006-07-01 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ 
 wrote:
  
   Thanks to Barry for recommennding The Advocate and whomever 
   recommended God and Buddha.
   
   I enjoyed The Advocate: well acted, great script and story 
 and, of 
   course, it had that soft-core porn element that characterized 
 alot 
   of '70s films but didn't expect here.
   
   My big complaint about the movie didn't have to do with the 
 movie 
   but with some stupidity that the executive producers -- Miramax -
 - 
   were responsible for (and I am otherwise a BIG fan of the 
   Weinstein's): at the beginning of the movie was a printed notice 
   that basically said: Critics, please refrain from revealing the 
   surprise ending to this movie.
   
   Well, I spent the whole movie wondering what little secret I 
 should 
   be looking out for and, quite frankly, I lost my innocence in 
   watching and it somewhat ruined the movie for me.
   
   God and Buddha is really quite fine.  My admiration for Deepak 
   Chopra was renewed as a result of seeing it.  As he himself once 
   observed about himself: He has the gift of the gab.  He is, 
 simply, 
   a great communicator...a faculty for explaining in a melodic and 
   soothing way abstract concepts in an interesting and educational 
 way.
   
   Of course, virtually 90% of what he says comes from Maharishi.  
 This 
   is not a put-down, but an observation.  I just find it curious 
 that 
   he uses MMY's exact phrasing of things.  He is basically a 
 celebrity 
   TM teacher without the TM.
  
  
  Who changes his books to eliminate all reference to MMY and TM.
 
 
 He must really be angry with the TMO and MMY to have done that.


Or something. He changed the book sufficiently that people get the idea that 
_Quantum 
Healing_ is about his  Quantum Sound meditation technique.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name

2006-07-01 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
 In a message dated 7/1/06 1:57:29 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
  
  
 --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com) 
 ,  MDixon6569@,  MDi
 
  
  In a message dated 7/1/06  1:43:39 A.M. Central Daylight Time, 
  sparaig@ writes:
   
  
  
  --- In _FairfieldLife@ --- In 
 _FairfieldLife@WBR[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
(mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com) )  
  , MDixon6569@, MDi
  
   
   In a  message dated 6/30/06 7:46:50 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
ffl@ writes:
   
   
   

Indians in large numbers attending. The difference
 in Indian involvement in 
AOL and the TMO is like  night and day in the United 
States.
   
But how many indians were in the US back in the 70s
   when TM  was popular compared to how many are in the US
   now when AOL is  popular? Big, big difference.
   
   

   
   
   There is a big difference in how  many were here then and now. But how 
 many 
  
   centers have  you been in, in which you saw any Indian immigrants 
 donating 
  time  
   or getting initiated. It wasn't because they weren't out there,  they 
 were. 
   While you may feel uncomfortable about walking into  an AOL center or 
  lecture 
   of some sort, try it and see  what you see. I think you would be 
 surprised. 
   It's mostly  Indians.
  
  
  MMY geared TM for westerners.
   
  
  
  
  
  This is the main the reason why  it didn't attract very many Indians. They 
  thought it was too easy to  be true and thought M was just making money.
 
 
 MMY still has that  problem. Witness the Buddhist descriptions where they 
 inform you of 
 how  you don't attempt to control the mind or the focus of attention and then 
 warn  you to 
 be vigilant and make sure you don't fall asleep or get lost in  thoughts...
 
 Can't be TOO easy or its not working!
 
 Obviously, MMY  just doesn't get it while the ones that advocate subtle 
 effort and control  
 do.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 When I refer to Indians thinking Maharishi's teaching is too  easy to be 
 true, I mean M always said just Meditate twice a day for twenty  minutes and 
 go 
 about your normal business. They knew there was a lot more to it  than  that. 
 Just look at what is expected of us today and what we were told  in 1970.


Er, just what is expected of us today?









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[FairfieldLife] Hypocrisy (was Re: Maharishi's name)

2006-07-01 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- authfriend wrote:

 The most devoted followers are always
 going to try to emulate the master every way they can,
 no matter what the master says or doesn't say.  And
 they're all going to have some idea of what
 constitutes good behavior.  I think to some extent
 the conundrum is unavoidable.

Agreed. I've told the story before how Rudolf 
Steiner, upon removing a pebble from his shoe,
said, I need to do this right away, otherwise 
all my students will be walking with limps tomorrow.

(paraphrased, of course)





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name

2006-07-01 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
 In a message dated 7/1/06 3:51:53 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
 OffWorld
 ...the US Indians are the only ones  interested...
 
 DIXON
 No, because there are still more people  going to them, even of 
 different ethnic identities, than there are coming  to the TMO. AOL 
 is expanding not shrinking.
 
 ROFLMAO ! ! !
 Dixon  says AOL is mostly Indians , but mostly not Indians.  
 
 OffWOrld
 
 
 
 Is that what I said? No, the AOL programs I have seen involve  a higher 
 percentage of Indians than any other single ethnic group, white,  black, 
 Hispanic, 
 east Asian . But even with out the Indians, AOL is still  growing faster than 
 the TMO.


Well, duh. Mature organizations tend to grow slower than young ones.






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[FairfieldLife] Harsha's homepage - interesting!

2006-07-01 Thread matrixmonitor
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http://www.harshasatsangh.com/

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[FairfieldLife] Hypocrisy (was Re: Maharishi's name)

2006-07-01 Thread matrixmonitor
--Thanks, I don't believe MMY is invincible, either, on the basis of 
my experiment in the late 70's.  At that time,  the SRM lease was up 
at the old brick building on Santa Monica Blvd; and Charlie Lutes 
moved into an office at the West L.A. TM center down the road toward 
Santa Monica.
  Having learned that a powerful Santeria sorcerer from Cuba 
named El Negro was traveling through Mexico, I was able to meet him 
in Tijuana.  To test MMY's level of invincibility, I paid the 
Sorcerer to place a hex on MMY; and after giving El Negro some pics 
of MMY, left Tijuana and returned to L.A.
 A few days later I saw Charlie at the West L.A. TM center and in due 
course of conversation, he told me that MMY was taking very 
extraordinary precautions to pretect himself by being surrounded 
physically by numerous people.  To the best of my knowledge, no harm 
came to MMY; but on the basis of the results, I don't feel he's 
invincible. 



- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- authfriend wrote:
 
  The most devoted followers are always
  going to try to emulate the master every way they can,
  no matter what the master says or doesn't say.  And
  they're all going to have some idea of what
  constitutes good behavior.  I think to some extent
  the conundrum is unavoidable.
 
 Agreed. I've told the story before how Rudolf 
 Steiner, upon removing a pebble from his shoe,
 said, I need to do this right away, otherwise 
 all my students will be walking with limps tomorrow.
 
 (paraphrased, of course)








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[FairfieldLife] Scheduled yogic flying in Japan

2006-07-01 Thread bob_brigante
In Japan, 1,200 people have registered to do their morning and 
evening Transcendental Meditation and TM-Sidhi Programme at the same 
time. There are 700 sidhas and 500 meditators participating so far, 
and the numbers are swelling daily. 

Computer websites have been designed, in Japan, so that participants 
can instantly register their daily attendance by computer or mobile 
phone.. This enables everyone to see exactly how many people are 
meditating and flying together each day. This keeps inspiration lively 
and helps everyone to focus on achieving the goal.

So far, 1,000 Yogic Flyers have flown simultaneously in Japan and 
Korea. Korea will also adopt Japan's innovative registration and 
attendance system, for internal use and to share with its neighbour, 
Japan.

http://www.globalgoodnews.com/world-peace-a.html?art=1151783389107021






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[FairfieldLife] Re: And I thought *I* had OCD problems...

2006-07-01 Thread curtisdeltablues
He's really not a journalist.


Andrew A. Skolnick is a nationally renowned science journalist and photographer 
who has 
won numerous national awards and honors for his reporting in biology, medicine, 
and 
human rights. Among those honors are Amnesty International USA's Spotlight on 
Media 
Award; World Hunger Year's Harry Chapin Award for Impact on Hunger and Poverty; 
the 
John P. McGovern Medal from the American Medical Writers Association; and a 
Rosalynn 
Carter Fellowship for Mental Health Journalism. For nearly a decade, he served 
as an 
associate news editor for the Journal of the American Medical Association. His 
articles and 
photographs have been published in Smithsonian, Natural History, Ranger Rick 
Nature 
Magazine, National Geographic World, The New York Times, Encyclopaedia 
Britannica, and 
many other publications.




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
 [snip]
  Andrew Skolnick--with whom I had many disputes when
  he was posting to alt.meditation.transcendental--is
  one of the sleaziest people I've ever encountered.  That
  he gets to call himself a *journalist* is just mind-
  boggling.
 
 He's really not a journalist. He's a skeptic writer/commentator... the
 Ann Coulter of skeptic writer/commentators.







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[FairfieldLife] Maharishi solar technology

2006-07-01 Thread bob_brigante
http://www.hindu.com/thehindu/holnus/004200607010930.htm

http://www.maharishisolar.com/





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[FairfieldLife] Re: And I thought *I* had OCD problems...

2006-07-01 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 He's really not a journalist.
 
 Andrew A. Skolnick is a nationally renowned science journalist and
 photographer who has won numerous national awards and honors for 
 his reporting in biology, medicine, and human rights. Among those 
 honors are Amnesty International USA's Spotlight on Media Award; 
 World Hunger Year's Harry Chapin Award for Impact on Hunger and 
 Poverty; the John P. McGovern Medal from the American Medical 
 Writers Association; and a Rosalynn Carter Fellowship for Mental 
 Health Journalism. For nearly a decade, he served as an associate 
 news editor for the Journal of the American Medical Association. 
 His articles and photographs have been published in Smithsonian, 
 Natural History, Ranger Rick Nature Magazine, National Geographic 
 World, The New York Times, Encyclopaedia Britannica, and many
 other publications.

You forgot to provide the source for this encomium--

http://www.aaskolnick.com/information.htm

--Andrew's own Web site.


 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley 
j_alexander_stanley@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ 
wrote:
  [snip]
   Andrew Skolnick--with whom I had many disputes when
   he was posting to alt.meditation.transcendental--is
   one of the sleaziest people I've ever encountered.  That
   he gets to call himself a *journalist* is just mind-
   boggling.
  
  He's really not a journalist. He's a skeptic
  writer/commentator... the Ann Coulter of skeptic 
  writer/commentators.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name

2006-07-01 Thread off_world_beings
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 
 Er, just what is expected of us today?


We have to listen to the bagpipes, and I friggin hate the bagpipes.

OffWorld (the Scot)





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name

2006-07-01 Thread MDixon6569






In a message dated 7/1/06 6:08:12 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED].. wrote:  In a message dated 7/1/06 
  3:51:53 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  [EMAIL PROTECTED]s.com 
  writes:  OffWorld ...the US Indians are the only ones 
  interested...  DIXON No, because there are still 
  more people going to them, even of  different ethnic identities, than 
  there are coming to the TMO. AOL  is expanding not 
  shrinking.  ROFLMAO ! ! ! Dixon says AOL is mostly 
  Indians , but mostly not Indians.   OffWOrld  
Is that what I said? No, the AOL programs I have seen 
  involve a higher  percentage of Indians than any other single 
  ethnic group, white, black, Hispanic,  east Asian . But even with 
  out the Indians, AOL is still growing faster than  the 
  TMO.Yes dear, you said, quote: "it is mostly Indians", and how 
  there are no Indians in TMO anymore.You are right, because I can't 
  see one single Indian on this whole page of pictures of TMO !http://tinyurl.com/s42gn

My my, but now you're cheating. Those arephotos of 
Indians in India. I think you were quite aware that I have been talking all 
along about Indian immigrants in the United States. Not about Indians in India. 
If you will double back and check, my original comment was how SSRS has 
attracted more Indian immigrants in the United States than M ever did. My 
comments have been strictly about Indians in the United States, no place else. 
Now, is there anything else you want to take out of 
context
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[FairfieldLife] Re: And I thought *I* had OCD problems...

2006-07-01 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
 [snip]
  Andrew Skolnick--with whom I had many disputes when
  he was posting to alt.meditation.transcendental--is
  one of the sleaziest people I've ever encountered.  That
  he gets to call himself a *journalist* is just mind-
  boggling.
 
 He's really not a journalist. He's a skeptic writer/commentator... the
 Ann Coulter of skeptic writer/commentators.

Coulter believes a lot more of what she spouts
than Andrew does.  Andrew's slanting and spinning
is malicious and thoroughly calculated.

He *has* done plenty of advocacy and investigative
journalism on what we would consider worthy causes--
he's a hard-core liberal politically and socially--
but considering the deceptions he pulls when he's in
skeptical/debunking mode regarding alternative
medicine, it's hard to imagine he doesn't do
exactly the same thing in other areas.






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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name

2006-07-01 Thread MDixon6569






In a message dated 7/1/06 6:14:59 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
When I 
  refer to Indians thinking Maharishi's teaching is too easy to be  
  true, I mean M always said just Meditate twice a day for twenty minutes and go 
   about your normal business. They knew there was a lot more to it than 
  that.  Just look at what is expected of us today and what we were told 
  in 1970.Er, just what is "expected of us 
today?"

Er, TM, advanced techniques, Sidhis, Ayurveda, Jyotish and 
Yagaya, Proper Vastu housing. Not to mention financial contributions. In 1970 we 
were told enlightenment in 5-8 years with 20 minutes in the morning and twenty 
minutes in the evening and don't do anything you know to be 
wrong.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Advocate and God and Buddha

2006-07-01 Thread Bhairitu
I also hear The War Tapes is quite good.

shempmcgurk wrote:

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  

I recommended God and Buddha.  You might also enjoy Fierce 


Grace, if 
  

you haven't already seen it.





If that's the Baba Rum Dum documentary then, yes, I've seen it and 
enjoyed it (although, as usual, I found Ram Das to be a complete 
mood maker).



  

shempmcgurk wrote:



Thanks to Barry for recommennding The Advocate and whomever 
recommended God and Buddha.

I enjoyed The Advocate: well acted, great script and story and, 
  

of 
  

course, it had that soft-core porn element that characterized 
  

alot 
  

of '70s films but didn't expect here.

My big complaint about the movie didn't have to do with the movie 
but with some stupidity that the executive producers -- Miramax --
  

 
  

were responsible for (and I am otherwise a BIG fan of the 
Weinstein's): at the beginning of the movie was a printed notice 
that basically said: Critics, please refrain from revealing the 
surprise ending to this movie.

Well, I spent the whole movie wondering what little secret I 
  

should 
  

be looking out for and, quite frankly, I lost my innocence in 
watching and it somewhat ruined the movie for me.

God and Buddha is really quite fine.  My admiration for Deepak 
Chopra was renewed as a result of seeing it.  As he himself once 
observed about himself: He has the gift of the gab.  He is, 
  

simply, 
  

a great communicator...a faculty for explaining in a melodic and 
soothing way abstract concepts in an interesting and educational 
  

way.
  

Of course, virtually 90% of what he says comes from Maharishi.  
  

This 
  

is not a put-down, but an observation.  I just find it curious 
  

that 
  

he uses MMY's exact phrasing of things.  He is basically a 
  

celebrity 
  

TM teacher without the TM.




 

  







  




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name

2006-07-01 Thread off_world_beings
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
 In a message dated 7/1/06 6:08:12 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
  
  
 --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
(mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com) 
 ,  MDixon6569@,  MDi
 
  
  In a message dated 7/1/06  3:51:53 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED])   
writes:
  
  OffWorld
  ...the US Indians are the only ones  interested.. 
  
  DIXON
  No, because there are still  more people going to them, even of 
  different ethnic identities, than  there are coming to the TMO. 
 AOL 
  is expanding not  shrinking.
  
  ROFLMAO ! ! !
  Dixon says AOL is mostly  Indians , but mostly not Indians. 
  
  OffWOrld
  
   
  
  Is that what I said? No, the AOL programs I have seen  involve a 
 higher 
  percentage of Indians than any other single  ethnic group, 
white, 
 black, Hispanic, 
  east Asian . But even with  out the Indians, AOL is still 
growing 
 faster than 
  the  TMO.
 
 Yes dear, you said, quote: it is mostly Indians, and how  there 
are 
 no Indians in TMO anymore.
 
 You are right, because I can't  see one single Indian on this 
whole 
 page of pictures of TMO !
 _http://tinyurl.http://ti_ (http://tinyurl.com/s42gn) 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 My my, but now you're cheating. Those are photos of  Indians in 
India. I 
 think you were quite aware that I have been talking all  along 
about Indian 
 immigrants in the United States. Not about Indians in India.  If 
you will double 
 back and check, my original comment was how SSRS has  attracted 
more Indian 
 immigrants in the United States than M ever did. 

If you will double check back you will find that you said: AOL 
meetings here are mostly Indians AOL meetings here are mostly 
Indians, AOL meetings here are mostly Indians, AOL meetings here 
are mostly Indians, AOL meetings here are mostly Indians.

And now you are saying that SSRS has attracted more Indian 
immigrants in the United States than M ever did

So like I say...It looks like it is an Indian religion. Good luck 
wit' that.

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[FairfieldLife] Interesting Link

2006-07-01 Thread johnlasher20002000
http://www.bradenton.com/mld/bradenton/living/health/14932812.htm








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[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name

2006-07-01 Thread gimari03
Sounds like you were THERE!

He wore make up too?  LOL!

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gerbal88 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 Accurate insight, in my opinion, Vaj. Ture believers will always find 
 reason to believe. Like the Jehovah's witnesses, the more you point 
 out the flaws, the stronger they grow. When they come to the door I 
 just tell them I'm a reformed Druid (we're allowed to worship 
 bushes). It's an old M*A*S*H* joke.
 
 If you read Joyce Collin-Smith's Call No Man Master or Paul Mason's 
 Mahesh bio, it's perfectly clear that Mahesh is all about getting 
 himself worshiped. 
 
 I clearly remember the newspaper stories: he declared his mission 
 failure and said he was retiring to the Himilayas. It was AFTER this 
 that the Beatles made him famous and he bounced back with a vengence. 
 First he created huge numbers of TM teachers (Mallorca, Fiuggi, La 
 Antilla). He coo'd like a dove cooing to another dove from whom it 
 hoped to borrow money (favourite Wodehouse quote) at the peak of 
 rounding: no one can love you like I can, you are going to save the 
 whole world, get the money from an auntie, from your gran 
 
 Mahesh could be a real slime ball. And, what did he teach on his 6-
 month courses? Stuff borrowed and re-worked from Yogananda. I did all 
 of the Yogananda lessons after TM, out of curiosity more than 
 anything else. There were the A of E techniques and contacts provided 
 more information about the 6-month courses. Just more of Yogananda 
 with his lovely spin on it.
 
 And the 'sidhi' stuff? He had no idea, literally. He sent people to 
 India to find yogis; he got obscure translations, he fiddled and 
 fumed and tinkered ... but what worked best was the cooing, get 'em 
 all spacey and suggest hopping. How simple; he'd always known that 
 people would pay him for what they expected to get in return and that 
 he never had any trouble convincing them it was their fault it wasn't 
 working. He still bitches about too much negativity, too little work 
 being done by others, yadda, yadda.
 
 The real Mahesh is someone completely imaginary for most people. 
 But, yes, there was an inner circle, people who liked what they were 
 doing and since he was providing room and board and the company of 
 each other, they didn't particularly object doing it for him. But 
 behind closed doors, the discussion shifted to how completely bonkers 
 Mahesh was. Stripped of his public facade, he was a nutter with 
 charm, intelligence, charisma by the sackful. But his ideas and his 
 wast wedic wevelations were total kaka. It was all provided by people 
 who not only told him what the Sanskrit said, but what the Sanskrit 
 meant. 
 
 It was all spindoctoring based on the work of others.
 
 Do nothing, accomplish everything took on a whole new meaning. YOU 
 bust your balls and I take all the credit.
 
 Well, that was fun. Nothing new, but fun. Those who see, see. Those 
 who don't see, still see. A finger points at the moon. Some will 
 always and only consider the finger.
 
 Happy trails. There are better things to do than worry about some Jim 
 Jones type dressed in sheets and wearing makeup.







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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name

2006-07-01 Thread MDixon6569






In a message dated 7/1/06 9:41:46 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
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And now 
  you are saying that "SSRS has attracted more Indian immigrants in the 
  United States than M ever did"So like I say...It looks like it is an 
  Indian religion. Good luck wit' 
that.OffWorld

You might ask Dr.Pete about that. I wouldn't know. My only 
point which seemed to upset a couple of people was that SSRS has done better 
involving Indians in America with AOL than M did with TM. 

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