Optimum Nutrition for Riders?
This message is from: Kari Ann Owen [EMAIL PROTECTED] I would appreciate knowing what ideas you all have about optimum nutrition for riders, including vitamins and supplements. Many thanks, Kari Ann -- Please access my web site at http://pwp.value.net/penomee/penomee.html for my artistic, academic and performing resumés, and... a great low-fat lasagna recipe!
Cantering
This message is from: Kari Ann Owen [EMAIL PROTECTED] I would appreciate knowing if any riders on this list have ever conquered specific mental blocks about particular riding tassks. I am so tired of my mental block about cantering. Please, let me know what works for you as long as it is not illegal, immoral or fattening. Many thanks, Kari Ann -- Please access my web site at http://pwp.value.net/penomee/penomee.html for my artistic, academic and performing resumés, and... a great low-fat lasagna recipe!
Re: bombproof geldings
This message is from: B. Hendricks [EMAIL PROTECTED] What is the average price of a Fjord mare, or gelding broke to ride, and what is the average price for yearling? Bonnie Please visit my web sites: Commissioned Horse Portraits, Oil Paintings, Prints, Books http://www.hendricksgallery.com and http://members.xoom.com/BHendricks/Gallery1.html - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 1999 3:51 AM Subject: bombproof geldings This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ok List! Who is hoarding all the 5-12 year old, bombproof geldings trained to ride and drive?! Someone must be, because I've been getting a call or an e-mail about once-a-week week from people who just know there is such a gelding out there just waiting for them to purchase him. Fess up, step forward, open the gate and let some of those geldings loose so there will be some for sale! : ) Seriously, especially if you are near the Southeast, if you have a good gelding for sale, I know of several people wanting one. Mike Cook - did you sell yours? Betsy B. - do you have anything promising? (I am not on the internet and can't check your website; We have e-mail only). I guess it really doesn't matter if you are near the Southeast or not; Horses can travel. On a related note, has anyone else noticed how almost everyone today wants something bombproof? Wish that word had never been used in connection with a horse! It gives beginners the wrong impression. Yes it's true that Fjords are more easy going in general than possibly any other breed, but saying a horse is bombproof is like saying a car is crashproof! True, your car may not be the cause of the accident, but if you are right there when it happens you're going to be in it! Wonder if people would be satisfied if we compared Fjords to big trucks - you may be in an accident but you're less likely to get hurt. On one hand I think this is a great opportunity for the Fjord breed; More and more people are recognizing their worth. On the other hand it's a little scary that there are so many people who are new to horses, and instead of taking lessons for a few months to improve their skills, they just want something that's bombproof. The quick fix. Blame it on our microwave society? (want everything in a minute or less). So anyhow, speak up if you've got a good gelding for sale. Thanks, Brian Jacobsen, DVM Norwegian Fjordhest Ranch Salisbury, North Carolina [EMAIL PROTECTED]
bombproof geldings
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ok List! Who is hoarding all the 5-12 year old, bombproof geldings trained to ride and drive?! Someone must be, because I've been getting a call or an e-mail about once-a-week week from people who just know there is such a gelding out there just waiting for them to purchase him. Fess up, step forward, open the gate and let some of those geldings loose so there will be some for sale! : ) Seriously, especially if you are near the Southeast, if you have a good gelding for sale, I know of several people wanting one. Mike Cook - did you sell yours? Betsy B. - do you have anything promising? (I am not on the internet and can't check your website; We have e-mail only). I guess it really doesn't matter if you are near the Southeast or not; Horses can travel. On a related note, has anyone else noticed how almost everyone today wants something bombproof? Wish that word had never been used in connection with a horse! It gives beginners the wrong impression. Yes it's true that Fjords are more easy going in general than possibly any other breed, but saying a horse is bombproof is like saying a car is crashproof! True, your car may not be the cause of the accident, but if you are right there when it happens you're going to be in it! Wonder if people would be satisfied if we compared Fjords to big trucks - you may be in an accident but you're less likely to get hurt. On one hand I think this is a great opportunity for the Fjord breed; More and more people are recognizing their worth. On the other hand it's a little scary that there are so many people who are new to horses, and instead of taking lessons for a few months to improve their skills, they just want something that's bombproof. The quick fix. Blame it on our microwave society? (want everything in a minute or less). So anyhow, speak up if you've got a good gelding for sale. Thanks, Brian Jacobsen, DVM Norwegian Fjordhest Ranch Salisbury, North Carolina [EMAIL PROTECTED]
how much weight a Fjord can carry
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Since the recent discussions about weight probably have many people wondering how much a horse can safely carry, I'd like to offer some information that I have read and believe to be reliable. Perhaps also Keith Brighton or others that have packed extensively with their Fjords can comment. For several hours riding on fairly gentle terrain AND WITH A HORSE THAT IS IN SHAPE, the average horse in good health (Fjord or other) can safely carry 25% of it's weight. So, for a 1,000 lb horse, that's a 250 pound rider. For a 1,200 pound horse, that's a 300 pound rider. --Remember that this guideline is for a horse that is not overweight. If a horse is a fit 1,200 pounds, then carrying 300 pounds as stated above should be no problem. If, however, the horse should really weigh around 1,000 instead of 1,200 and he/she is carrying a 300 pound person, that horse is actually carrying 250 pounds too much. (The horse is 200 pounds overweight and is carrying 50 pounds more person than he should). --If the ride is to be an all day trail ride, 20% is of the horse's weight is better. (Keith - any comments? I'm interested to hear from your experience whether you would say the same, or more or less?) --These guidelines are for horses that are in good shape. If you ask a horse that is not in good shape to do this, will he be able to do it? Probably. But will he suffer for it? Definitely! I am constantly amazed and distressed at the number of weekend or once-a-month cowboys who take their horses out for a 15-20 mile ride who don't even give a thought to how hard it's going to be on their mount. What's even more amazing is that their horses don't end up with more problems than they do! But that's actually contrary to my point. You are asking for problems if you treat your horse this way. Heart, lungs, muscles, bones, joints, ligaments and tendons all need to strengthen to tolerate this kind of exercise. Dave McWethy posted a good message to the List sometime back having to do with the stages of conditioning, and he could tell you that this kind of 20-mile, once-a-week or once-a-month ride does not build up or strengthen anything; it tears down instead. Please avoid being a weekend or once-a-month cowboy. --Somebody (sorry, can't remember who) made the excellent point that there is a big difference in riders. A 250 pound person who knows how to balance and help the horse is easier on a horse than a 150 pound person who doesn't. Have you ever given someone a ride on a bicycle or motorcycle? It's incredible how much harder it is to turn if the passenger does not know how to lean into the turns with you. Or how about giving someone a piggyback ride? If your passenger is leaning back while you're trying to go forward, you just about can't go! Now we, being only 25% or less of the horse's weight, don't have quite that much influence the horse, but the principle still holds. So a horse can carry a 200 pound rider who helps, much easier than a 200 pound person who just sits there. Brian Jacobsen, DVM Norwegian Fjordhest Ranch Salisbury, North Carolina
Re: weight
This message is from: Jean Ernest [EMAIL PROTECTED] I think one of the most important things about being careful about weight as far as the horse goes is not to start riding the youngsters too early. Their backs can be injured when ridden too young...The spinal columnm is the last structure in the body to mature. I think riding a horse, esp. a fjord at two is wrong, at three, maybe a light, balanced rider, and not very much, at four maybe a little more but correct riding is soo important..getting the horse to use himself right, not drag around with a low back and all strung out on the forehand. I'm starting my four year old filly under saddle this summer and my instructor has ridden her three times, VERY carefully, taking care not to pound her back. She will get ridden just a little this year and at 5 will start working more. I don't think quarter horses mature THAT much faster than other horses, but they are often ridden before they are two, and ridden HARD when they are three...and often by big men. I wonder how long these futurity three year olds last? I understand reining horses are often washed up by the time they are 6. THAT's the age I'll just be really starting to work my filly very hard at all. Jean In Fairbanks, Alaska where it's going to be in the eighties and muggy again tomorrow Just to add one more thought to this thread...those Norse Men weren't feather weights when riding our fjords ancestors. They were big heavy men and weren't fjords originally a little smaller in height? Kate Jean Ernest Fairbanks, Alaska [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Weight-Think of the horse
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello everyone! Is there any accurate information available that would tell us what weight, height, etc., a horse should be to carry a said amount of weight? I would think this would be interesting AND serve to solve this issue of larger riders. Lynda
Re: Weight-Think of the horse
This message is from: Lori Albrough [EMAIL PROTECTED] I guess I'm late getting in on the discussion, but the horse's weight carrying ability is more a factor of his bone than anything else. There was a link to a Jessica Jahiel article posted on the list a while back in which she says to a tall heavy rider looking for his first horse: Look for a stocky, solid, short-backed horse with strong, clean legs, a deep body,and strong loins. THAT is weight-carrying conformation! Sounds like a Fjord to me folks! I'm in agreement with whoever said that balance and sensitivity is more important on the riders part than what they weigh. Lori PS - oh, and here's that link, http://www.prairienet.org/horse-sense/whatbone.htm
Re: weight
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Just to add one more thought to this thread...those Norse Men weren't feather weights when riding our fjords ancestors. They were big heavy men and weren't fjords originally a little smaller in height? Kate
Re: weight
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I began riding and decided to buy my fjords as an incentive to lose weight. I couldn't seem to do it for myself -- and I'll never be svelte for anybody. But when I want that piece of whatever and the devil voice goes, No one will know, the angel voice goes, The horse will know, and it helps. We need to be secure in ourselves, kind to each other and not strike out in defensiveness. Imperfect Gail in Albuquerque - but I like me anyway.
Re: Weight Carrying Abilites of fjords
This message is from: Jean Gayle [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jeannie, I am so sorry about your doggie. I was lucky with my last one as he quietly did it himself. The next will not be so easy. Jean Jean Gayle Aberdeen, WA [Authoress of The Colonel's Daughter ] http://www.techline.com/~jgayle -Original Message- From: Jean Ernest [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] if she performs better then the fashionably slim gal, etc. Jean in Fairbanks, Alaska, who is mourning my 16 year old dog who I had to have put down yesterday. At 10:44 PM 7/12/99 -0700, you wrote: This message is from: Laurie Pittman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks Lynda. I'm glad I'm not the only one offended by the remarks. Jean Ernest Fairbanks, Alaska [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Things you can learn from your dog/horse ..
This message is from: Jean Gayle [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cheryl, I think horse lovers must also be dog lovers. So sorry about the recent losses. We have no reason to just discuss horses when one or two of our members have suffered a loss, be it animal or human. Jean Gayle Aberdeen, WA [Authoress of The Colonel's Daughter ] http://www.techline.com/~jgayle -Original Message- From: Cheryl Beillard [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, July 12, 1999 4:11 PM Subject: Re: Things you can learn from your dog/horse .. This message is from: Cheryl Beillard [EMAIL PROTECTED] My apologies in advance .. but I thought there must be almost as many dog lovers on the list, as horsey people (forgive the phrase) .. And Rufus
Re: motels
This message is from: Jean Gayle [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks Mary, hear you and Fred have been riding two Fjords up at Stewarts tree farm! Rode the unfriendly one yesterday and he was a good boy despite the wind! Jean Gayle Aberdeen, WA [Authoress of The Colonel's Daughter ] http://www.techline.com/~jgayle -Original Message- From: Mary Thurman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, July 13, 1999 7:21 AM Subject: Re: motels This message is from: Mary Thurman [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Jean Gayle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This message is from: Jean Gayle [EMAIL PROTECTED] Who knows a good, clean, motel hopefully with dining facilities near the Libby show? Jean, That would be the Venture Inn - call 1-800-221-0166. They have an indoor pool, hot tub, restaurant and very nice rooms. Also, the Super 8 Motel is right across the highway from the Venture and right next to the 4B's Restaurant. Super 8 number is 1-800-800-8000 (cute, no?). Both of these motels are on highway 2 coming into Libby from the west. It's about 10 or 15 minutes from them to the show grounds on highway 37 just north of town (over the river and through the woods, so to speak). I have a list of other motels, rv parks, and restaurants that the show committee sends out if you would like to look at it. Mary === Mary Thurman Raintree Farms [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Weight Carrying Abilities of Fjords
This message is from: Denise Delgado [EMAIL PROTECTED] thank you pamela. at least someone understands my original message. though it did seem to touch a lot of hot buttons. denise - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 1999 3:37 PM Subject: Re: Weight Carrying Abilities of Fjords This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 7/13/99 15:05:54 Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: i agree that alex's story was great, and i still think there is a case for lessened coordination etc in people of weight. Have to respectfully disagree about this. And the statement that overweight people have poor reflexes. I'm not as young or light as I used to be, but my reflexes haven't declined one bit. Maybe it's from running after my special needs son, to keep him out of trouble, I don't know, but reflexes are intact. And there are s many people I can think of who are extremely heavy, but light on their feet as cats. To think of one, Jackie Gleason was pretty darn nimble in his prime. Ah well, you know, it's generalities that get us into trouble. Everybody's got their own unique situation, with a generous dose of qualities and flaws. It's how we deal with these that make us better or worse riders (or humans). I understand what you were trying to say, and that you were trying to be helpful in your original post. And that's what is important. Pamela
Euthanizing...
This message is from: Ingrid Ivic [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jean in Fairbanks, Alaska, who is mourning my 16 year old dog who I had to have put down yesterday. Hello Jean, So sorry to hear about your dog. Reading your post hit home for me, as we too had to have our golden retreiver euthanized, just a couple of weeks ago. She was very ill, and went into total kidney failure. We tried for about a month to keep her alive, but having her hooked up to IV's every few days and shoving 6 different meds down her throat wasn't the answer. It still hurts to even think about it. One of the worst things about allowing an animal to become part of your family is to make the decision, when the time comes, to have it put down. A brave but difficult decision to make. Hope time heals your pain some...Ingrid
Re: Cart question ???
This message is from: Jean Gayle [EMAIL PROTECTED] Marsha, Do not worry about a rubber bit breaking or coming in two. They are made with a chain through them. Unless they were made by Murphy, of course! Jean Gayle Aberdeen, WA [Authoress of The Colonel's Daughter ] http://www.techline.com/~jgayle -Original Message- From: Marsha Jo Hannah [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, July 13, 1999 11:18 AM Subject: Re: Cart question ??? This message is from: Marsha Jo Hannah [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Weight Carrying Abilites of fjords
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 7/13/99 8:48:17 Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I know that in the show ring often the overwieght rider won't get pinned even if she performs better then the fashionably slim gal, etc. There's a neat exception to this rule. A girl with some disabilities, bowed legs, overweight and when younger, prone to seizures, was so dedicated to the horses. Every weekend, there she was, helping get horses ready for lessons, helping out with the handicapped program, helping out when my horse colicked. She was with me till 2:00 a.m. She was also 16 at the time. She worked hard to get free lessons. The other girls, pampered, but sweet, had their parents pay for their lessons. The other girls are slim, pretty and rich (doncha HATE when people have it all! g). After a while, the overweight, slightly disabled, hardworking girl started bringing home BLUE RIBBONS I'm so proud to know this young lady. It comes so easily for some, but others have to work so darned hard. Glad to see her making it, against the odds. Pamela
Re: Weight Carrying Abilities of Fjords
This message is from: Denise Delgado [EMAIL PROTECTED] dear linda and list, i believe that fat people are just that, fat. just like skinny people are skinny. no one gets upset when we say that, just like they should'nt get upset with the word fat. (too much worrying about what is and is'nt politically correct.) i agree that alex's story was great, and i still think there is a case for lessened coordination etc in people of weight. i also agree that beginners might have a problem too, but it should be the owner's call as to whether he will or will not teach someone, without having to worry about being sued for discrimination if someone is fat and uses that as the reason. it is, after all, his livelyhood on the line. he asked for opinions and i gave mine, as you did for yours too. it makes everyone think a little more. so lets get back to the real point of this list, and that is the great fjords we all love to talk about.denise delgado in mokelumne hill. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 12, 1999 10:15 PM Subject: Re: Weight Carrying Abilities of Fjords This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello Denise, everyone, I found the comments made, i.e. fat rider and weighting to be very offensive. I am also a little confusedit would seem to me that any beginning rider might have problems with balance, coordination, and quick reflexes. Should this be taken that people should not train beginning riders as well, or only fat beginning riders? I think when people decide to professionally train, open a business, etc., they must be careful of all aspects, including liability AND discrimination. One has to weigh this carefully, I do think. Alex, I found your story wonderful, and think it is great you took this student on! You obviously were sucessful, else she would not be coming back to you! Lynda
Re: Weight Carrying Abilites of fjords
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 7/13/99 7:25:28 Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I am also overweight, but am getting ready to have a trainer teach me to ride! I am very excited, and although I do not weigh close to 300 pounds, I have gotten comments like...you are going to ride? I'm not close to 300 pounds either, and hopefully some of the extra poundage will come off with the diet I have my son on (Gluten Casein free, can do wonders for people with autism). Anyway, there's a formula, somewhere, that says how much weight a horse can carry. Measure the canon bone and multiply? Does anybody know? My husband has some weight to lose also. At 6.2 he's going to be a large rider regardless. He got on the quarter horse a couple weeks ago, and I watched her fetlocks sink. I got him off her REAL quick. Put him on Nikki, at a walk. She wanted to trot, had no problem with him. We're both still dieting anyway g. The main concession I make for the horse, since I'm not 118 pounds anymore ! is using a mounting block. It's so much easier on the horse's back if you don't get on constantly from the ground. Pamela
Re: Weight-Think of the horse
This message is from: Bushnell's [EMAIL PROTECTED] Why in the world couldn't a 6ft plus man ride a Fjord? The heighth of a horse doesn't determine its strength or weight bearing ability.. let's not forget that the Fjord is a DRAFT pony and is very nearly as tough as the larger draft horses. A tall horse can be spindly. I feel that just one of the many redeeming qualities about the Fjord is their ability to pack a large person and have even gone so far as to wonder if this wouldn't be a good market to explore for the Fjord, large people? Ruthie, NW MT At 10:11 AM 7/13/99 -0700, you wrote: This message is from: Cindy Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] It seems like some have taken offense to the weight of the rider discussion. I just want to add my two cents. A horse can carry a certain amount of weight before you start to break it down. I have seen to many riders, man and woman who where to large for the size of horse they were riding. If you are a larger person and want to ride, thats great but ride a horse that can handle your weight. I have seen too many larger men or women riding a 800lb Arab, etc.. If you don't have a horse that can handle the weight, than maybe driving is a better option. I believe a horse and rider need to match to some degree. My father-in-law is 6'8 and I don't see him riding a Fjord. Just think about your over all height and weight when you choose your horse. I don't care if this offends anyone, but think about the welfare of the animal. Yes, horses are strong and big, but they do have their limits. They might die trying, but is it worth it? Cindy
Re: Heat / Breaking equipment / Special riders
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 7/13/99 12:38:32 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Some of us need to work on our rear ends, and maybe others can work on the spoken end. LOL! I love all the comments on this subject. I think the final word is that putting ANY human or weight of any kind on a horse's back is a strain. But, that's their job, that's what they have been doing for centuries. Caution is key for all riders and drivers. Simple words from a novice, Brigid
Re: boarding blues
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 7/13/99 9:46:54 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Glad to hear you are making the move. Sounds like you have made a really good choice. Not only that but sometimes I wish I was not under so many responsibilities with my five acres and was boarding. Doesn't last long though! Jean Thanks, Jean! I realize the responsibility is awesome, but I sure would like to look out my window and see two smiling Fjord faces! Brigid
Re: Weight Carrying Abilities of Fjords
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 7/13/99 9:30:14 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: One thing I have learned in my quest for physical and emotional strength and serenity is that there comes a point when we must decide for ourselves what path to walk (or ride), and to have faith that whatever others say, there will be teachers to lead us. Praising The Creator for the love in this world, I love your post, Kari Ann! It really made my day. How hard it is to see yourself beautiful, when others criticize. It is so hard for me, even thought I know it's true. I still hear that little voice saying not good enough. Thank God for horses, who bring out the truth in us. Don't know what I'd do without my guys. Brigid
RE: Weight-Think of the horse
This message is from: Jeri L Rieger [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bravo! With 64% of American women over the size of 12, this is enlightened thinking. There is a fairly new magazine out for women (Sorry, Guys) called Mode that directs its content entirely to large size. Maybe they would be interested in doing a feature. It seems like they are always looking for ways to encourage activity with sounding to exercise-y. Besides, in marketing anything one needs to broaden g their target groups. If I was any kind of a writer I would do this myself! Okay, so I am heavy but I love Fjords and everything about them . Horseless and missing my Fjords and Family, Jeri in Missouri P.S. Gayle, I don't know where Grove Springs is in Missouri...if it is close to St. Louis I would love to get in contact with your Fjord people. This message is from: Bushnell's [EMAIL PROTECTED] Why in the world couldn't a 6ft plus man ride a Fjord? The heighth of a horse doesn't determine its strength or weight bearing ability.. let's not forget that the Fjord is a DRAFT pony and is very nearly as tough as the larger draft horses. A tall horse can be spindly. I feel that just one of the many redeeming qualities about the Fjord is their ability to pack a large person and have even gone so far as to wonder if this wouldn't be a good market to explore for the Fjord, large people? Ruthie, NW MT At 10:11 AM 7/13/99 -0700, you wrote: This message is from: Cindy Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] It seems like some have taken offense to the weight of the rider discussion. I just want to add my two cents. A horse can carry a certain amount of weight before you start to break it down. I have seen to many riders, man and woman who where to large for the size of horse they were riding. If you are a larger person and want to ride, thats great but ride a horse that can handle your weight. I have seen too many larger men or women riding a 800lb Arab, etc.. If you don't have a horse that can handle the weight, than maybe driving is a better option. I believe a horse and rider need to match to some degree. My father-in-law is 6'8 and I don't see him riding a Fjord. Just think about your over all height and weight when you choose your horse. I don't care if this offends anyone, but think about the welfare of the animal. Yes, horses are strong and big, but they do have their limits. They might die trying, but is it worth it? Cindy
Re: Cart question ???
This message is from: Marsha Jo Hannah [EMAIL PROTECTED] Karen McCarthy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I suppose this query will bring up the perennial spares kit question, what do you carry and why. List??? ( Hobbles, twine,a leatherman, and 2 socket wrenches that fit all my nuts are high on my list!) A halter and lead rope are highly desirable, to attach the animal to something while you fix whatever broke. My kit includes a hoof pick/knife, one of those hammers that has a bunch of screwdrivers in the handle, wrenches for the wheels, a hole-punch tool, assorted leather thongs, nylon rope, baling wire, lineman's pliers (can both cut wire and bend it as needed), electrical tape (duct tape works wonders, too), and a spare bit. (That was left over from when I was driving the donkey in a rubber bit, which might break.) I've also got a spare tractor pin, which is what I use to keep the traces on my singletree (instead of the traditional leather thong). And, I've usually got a swiss army knife in my hip pocket. I keep all this stuff in a roll-up pocket thingy (like some socket-wrench pouch sets) that I sewed up out of denim. I got a couple of bicycle baskets (the kind that go on either side of the back wheel of a kid's bike) and used computer cable-ties to attach them under the seat of my pipe cart. The mesh on the baskets is a little coarse, i.e. a lead rope can escape if it's not clipped to something, but the baskets can support something like a small pack or other cloth bag to contain stuff. Marsha Jo HannahMurphy must have been a horseman-- [EMAIL PROTECTED] anything that can go wrong, will! 30 mi SSE of San Francisco, Calif. ---
Re: harness and cart
This message is from: Marsha Jo Hannah [EMAIL PROTECTED] Don Jane Brackett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: anyone want to throw in a few words on brakes or no brakes, bicycle tires or wooden with rubber, leather or synthetic harness??? There are a fair number of hills where I'll be driving, I thought that brakes would be helpful to help hold the cart going down but there do not seem to be alot of carts available with brakes, at least at a reasonalble cost. The roads are gravel and there are some great woods roads as well. Would the bicycle tires be more stable and sturdy to bounce over rocks and stones?? Most of those questions have proponents on both sides. For deeper research, go to the web site for the Carriage Driving List, and poke thru their archives. It's http://www.trot-on.com/cd-l/ , then look for a button for archives, and enter keywords (e.g. brakes) in the appropriate slots. Personally, I like having brakes---but then my driving animal was a 400-lb donkey, who had trouble stopping me and the cart on the steep hills around here. (With a heavier animal, like a Fjord, it'd be less of an issue.) I had brakes retrofitted to my pipe cart for less than $100. Carts with traditional bicycle wheels (wire spokes, with pneumatic tires) are intended for arena or road use. IMHO, in the woods, those wheels are an accident looking for an opportunity to happen. Tires blow out, or pick up stickers and go flat. Anything that puts side-pressure on the wheels (traversing side-slopes, hitting a rock or pothole wrong, etc) can pretzel the wheel. If you're going to use such wheels on rough drives, wear your hiking boots, so you can walk home! I replaced the wheels on the donkey's pipe cart with BMX wheels---graphite composite, with solid, sturdy spokes---then had them rubbered by a carriage wheelsmith. There's also a carriage builder who sells steel carriage wheels made to retrofit onto bicycle axles or forks. Folks on CD-L swear by his wheels! Except that the give in bicycle wheels is a major part of the suspension of a pipe cart, i.e. putting on sturdier wheels makes the cart ride terribly! In general, traditional carriage type carts will give you a nicer ride than pipe carts. Their bigger wheels bridge over bumps better, and the elliptical springs on most carts can soak up jolts better than the wimpy little coils under the seat on a pipe cart. The advantage of pipe carts lies in their maneuverability---easier to get thru narrow spots in the woods, and light enough to unhitch and lift over a cable or gate, which many trails use to keep 4-wheel-drivers out. (With my donkey, I didn't have a choice---not enough horsepower to pull a wooden cart.) Leather harness is very traditional, but can be labor-intensive to keep it in good condition. Also, you get what you pay for---there's a lot of crappy leather harness out there! Synthetic harness, particularly Zilco (trade name) and some of the newer biothanes, looks good, lasts forever, and cleans up with just a quick hosing. If I had it to do over, I'd go synthetic! Marsha Jo HannahMurphy must have been a horseman-- [EMAIL PROTECTED] anything that can go wrong, will! 30 mi SSE of San Francisco, Calif. ---
Re: To shoe or not to shoe
This message is from: Cathey Magill [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks Bonnie! I have to say that I'm a little partial though :) This past weekend he was halter broke. I'm glad you liked my site. I had yours already bookmarked and will visit often :) Thanks again, Cathey -- * Cathey Magill [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.geocities.com/Petsburgh/Haven/1218/ http://www2.crosswinds.net/~chinbit/index.html B. Hendricks wrote: This message is from: B. Hendricks [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Cathey: Wow, Little Thor is awesome! Really nice web site. I bookmarked it so I can go back and ponder it all. Just got back into town after being gone three days - I had to go down to Redding, CA to see my grandson get married. Wow, it is HOT in Redding!! 113 yesterday, and today I fled home! A, S.W. Oregon's 100 degrees felt pretty good! Bonnie Please visit my web sites: Commissioned Horse Portraits, Oil Paintings, Prints, Books http://www.hendricksgallery.com and http://members.xoom.com/BHendricks/Gallery1.html
Re: Weight-Think of the horse
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 7/13/99 1:15:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: My father-in-law is 6'8 and I don't see him riding a Fjord. I put my 6'1 280lb husband on my 14 hand fjord and he (the horse) had no problem. I also put him on my more slender appy mare and she was comfortable with him also. It has to do with BALANCE not size. I have seen peanut kids cause my fjord more discomfort due to their lack of balance and coordination. Please remember that adults are aware of their size and tend to be more cautious about their riding. In fact I have had to tell a few of my adult riders to become more aggressive or the horse will take advantage of them! Kate
Weight-Think of the horse
This message is from: Cindy Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] It seems like some have taken offense to the weight of the rider discussion. I just want to add my two cents. A horse can carry a certain amount of weight before you start to break it down. I have seen to many riders, man and woman who where to large for the size of horse they were riding. If you are a larger person and want to ride, thats great but ride a horse that can handle your weight. I have seen too many larger men or women riding a 800lb Arab, etc.. If you don't have a horse that can handle the weight, than maybe driving is a better option. I believe a horse and rider need to match to some degree. My father-in-law is 6'8 and I don't see him riding a Fjord. Just think about your over all height and weight when you choose your horse. I don't care if this offends anyone, but think about the welfare of the animal. Yes, horses are strong and big, but they do have their limits. They might die trying, but is it worth it? Cindy
Re: boarding blues
This message is from: Jean Gayle [EMAIL PROTECTED] Glad to hear you are making the move. Sounds like you have made a really good choice. Not only that but sometimes I wish I was not under so many responsibilities with my five acres and was boarding. Doesn't last long though! Jean Jean Gayle Aberdeen, WA [Authoress of The Colonel's Daughter ] http://www.techline.com/~jgayle -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, July 13, 1999 9:17 AM Subject: Re: boarding blues This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 7/10/99 9:44:22 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Jean- The only thing which kept me from moving out is the beauty of the property. It is by far the best in the area, 120 acres of gorgeous, mostly flat
Re: Weight Carrying Abilities of Fjords
This message is from: Kari Ann Owen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Just a note... I am in the 200 lb range and have wonderful equitation training, have been evaluated by several instructors as having excellent balance and an excellent seat, and am looking forward to the Fjord in my future as my instructor will be purchasing one. In fact, many of you have been terribly generous with your information and encouragement, and we are both terribly grateful and happily inspired by the beautiful pictures of the Fjords you have so kindly sent us. As for as largeness and movement... I have also had several years of modern dance training and have taught other large and handicapped persons, have performed at the Universoty of California, Berkeley and the Moscone Center in San Francisco, among other places, and have been inspired and blessed by the love of teachers in both the dance and horse worlds. Liability and rider safety are legitimate concerns. So are healing of the soul and body. One thing I have learned in my quest for physical and emotional strength and serenity is that there comes a point when we must decide for ourselves what path to walk (or ride), and to have faith that whatever others say, there will be teachers to lead us. Praising The Creator for the love in this world, Kari Ann -- Please access my web site at http://pwp.value.net/penomee/penomee.html for my artistic, academic and performing resumés, and... a great low-fat lasagna recipe!
RE: Weight Carrying Abilites of fjords
This message is from: Jeri L Rieger [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jean, I am so sorry about your dog. Dogs become such a part of our lives. Please accept my condolences. I too am offended about Fat Riders not only that I am one! I just recently got back into riding as my 13 year old daughter begged me to join her. It is size discrimination and it is not fair or tolerable. -- From: Jean Ernest[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 1999 10:43 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Re: Weight Carrying Abilites of fjords This message is from: Jean Ernest [EMAIL PROTECTED] I too was offended by the remarks about fat riders, etc. I am not light weight myself, and I know several large people who are better riders, and better balanced and easier on their horses than many slim lightweight riders! I think it shows the descrimation against overweight people. I know that in the show ring often the overwieght rider won't get pinned even if she performs better then the fashionably slim gal, etc. Jean in Fairbanks, Alaska, who is mourning my 16 year old dog who I had to have put down yesterday. At 10:44 PM 7/12/99 -0700, you wrote: This message is from: Laurie Pittman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks Lynda. I'm glad I'm not the only one offended by the remarks. Jean Ernest Fairbanks, Alaska [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Interest in West Coast Clicker Clinic?
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 7/11/99 12:59:52 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Is there any serious interest in a clicker clinic on the West Coast somewhere, like maybe in the Bay Area? Bay Area? Yes!! Brigid in CA
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This message is from: Steve McIlree [EMAIL PROTECTED] The tee-shirt order is with the printer. If you haven't ordered one yet, I'll have a few extras in sizes L and XL. Any other sizes, and you'll have to wait for the next print run. I should have them back and be able to ship to those who ordered by the end of the month. Thanks to all who ordered, I'm sure you'll enjoy your shirts. -- Steve McIlree Cynthia Madden -- Pferd, Keyah, Skipper, Tank -- Omaha, Nebraska, USA Wherever man has left his footprint in the long ascent from barbarism to civilization, we will find the hoofprint of a horse beside it. --John Trotwood Moore
Re: boarding blues
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 7/10/99 9:44:22 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What keeps you from moving out? This lady is too much to deal with and how dos she treat the horses? Jean Hi Jean- The only thing which kept me from moving out is the beauty of the property. It is by far the best in the area, 120 acres of gorgeous, mostly flat land connected to a county-wide trail system. But, with crazy people in charge that all means nothing. Most other stables in our county are VERY crowded and much smaller. But, the place I am moving to will suit me fine. My friends hate the weather in Daly City (windy foggy), but since I grew up there, I'm used to it. The horses prefer it and there are seldom any flies in such weather as well. The property is small, but it's right next to the beach, so you have access to miles of coast either way. Brigid
Re: boarding blues
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 7/11/99 4:29:11 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Also, when do they feed? Most barns feed after 5pm anyway because of the boarders arriving after work. Could the feed person have forgotton all this? Kate Hi Kate- The horses are fed at 8AM 4PM. Brigid
Re: Weight Carrying Abilites of fjords
This message is from: Jean Ernest [EMAIL PROTECTED] I too was offended by the remarks about fat riders, etc. I am not light weight myself, and I know several large people who are better riders, and better balanced and easier on their horses than many slim lightweight riders! I think it shows the descrimation against overweight people. I know that in the show ring often the overwieght rider won't get pinned even if she performs better then the fashionably slim gal, etc. Jean in Fairbanks, Alaska, who is mourning my 16 year old dog who I had to have put down yesterday. At 10:44 PM 7/12/99 -0700, you wrote: This message is from: Laurie Pittman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks Lynda. I'm glad I'm not the only one offended by the remarks. Jean Ernest Fairbanks, Alaska [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Candidate Chats
This message is from: Steve McIlree [EMAIL PROTECTED] Due to the overwhelming lack of positive response to the idea of candidate chats, I have scrubbed the idea. If you haven't yet sent your ballot in, do so now. Maybe next year we can get a little advance notice on the ballot distribution and schedule a chat or series of chats before the majority have cast their vote. By the way, having already mailed their ballots seemed to be the reason that most folks weren't interested in the chat idea. -- Steve McIlree Cynthia Madden -- Pferd, Keyah, Skipper, Tank -- Omaha, Nebraska, USA The air of heaven is that which blows between a horse's ears. --Arabian proverb
Re: Weight Carrying Abilites of fjords
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello Laurie! I find general comments made toward groups of people highly offensive, and I have a horrid habit of putting in my two cents worth everytime. :) I am also overweight, but am getting ready to have a trainer teach me to ride! I am very excited, and although I do not weigh close to 300 pounds, I have gotten comments like...you are going to ride? I fail to understand why some horse people have such a problem with larger women riding and/or driving. I have seen many a large man, overweight or not, riding QH of all breeds. I think Kate and Alex are doing great things, willing to train all beginners. Well, enough of my grumbling. Lynda
Re: motels
This message is from: Mary Thurman [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Jean Gayle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This message is from: Jean Gayle [EMAIL PROTECTED] Who knows a good, clean, motel hopefully with dining facilities near the Libby show? Jean, That would be the Venture Inn - call 1-800-221-0166. They have an indoor pool, hot tub, restaurant and very nice rooms. Also, the Super 8 Motel is right across the highway from the Venture and right next to the 4B's Restaurant. Super 8 number is 1-800-800-8000 (cute, no?). Both of these motels are on highway 2 coming into Libby from the west. It's about 10 or 15 minutes from them to the show grounds on highway 37 just north of town (over the river and through the woods, so to speak). I have a list of other motels, rv parks, and restaurants that the show committee sends out if you would like to look at it. Mary === Mary Thurman Raintree Farms [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
private postings
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This won't win me brownie points but I was never a good brownie. I seem to recall that every posting is preceded with the postee's PERSONAL E-MAIL ADDRESS. Should one try that when one directs a message to an individual or am I way off base here? I feel like an eavesdropper too much. There are some interesting posts on this forum but please think if what you are posting is something everyone on the list really wants to read. Personal attacks will be received at my very own e-mail address. It's the one preceding my posts. I know it works because I get mail there that is none of your collective business probably would not interest you anyway. Thank you for your support. Joel Harman ___ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj.
Weight Carrying Abilites of fjords
This message is from: Laurie Pittman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks Lynda. I'm glad I'm not the only one offended by the remarks. While I can't really argue with Denise's reasoning, I was left with the feeling that this was yet another horse person (or any person, for that matter) that I would hesitate to tell that I have horses. Any time I get that look from someone that I just told I have horses, I feel the need to add that I drive not ride them. I took up driving for several reasons, weight only being one of them. At least in the driving circles I don't tend to run into this attitude. Laurie
Re: KATRINA
This message is from: Mike May, Registrar NFHR [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 10:32 PM 7/12/99 -0400, you wrote: This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This message is from Sue Clark-Sorger to Mike May and anyone else who might have experienced a similar problem. I own a fjord mare who is registered with the Fjordhorse Breeders of America. I would like very much to register her with NFHR. Her sire was Ole and he was/is registered with the NFHR, her dam was Viola she wasn't registered, but her sire Knut and dam Vindy were. Viola is dead so there in lies my problem. Mike is there a way to use the DNA already taken from her sire and the DNA from her grandparents on her bottom line and some from Katrina to prove that she came from those lines so I can register her.? I am sure it would be expensive but is it possible.? Well I am not really sure if that is possible or not. I can call the lab and see what they might be able to do though. I have had a DNA type derived for the deceased stallion Dragtind. They needed a list of any of his descendents that were already DNA typed. If I remember right they wanted at least 5 though. Does Viola have any other offspring that you know of? I understand I can register her in Canada and then have her DNA tested and then should I breed her to an NFHR stallion her foals can be registered. Is this true? Yes that would work if Canada will accept her pedigree as correct. She is a wonderful mare It sure sounds like it from your description of her. You have done a lot with her. Nice to hear she has a nice home now. Aren't fjords wonderful. They are the best as far as I am concerned. My other fjord is registered with the NFHR. Someone said in a previous message that fjords are addictive, aren't they though. They sure seem to be for sure. Like Potato Chips I have heard. You can't have just one... Mike === Norwegian Fjord Horse Registry Mike May, Registrar Voice 716-872-4114 FAX 716-787-0497 http://www.nfhr.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mike...
This message is from: Mike May, Registrar NFHR [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 09:51 PM 7/12/99 -0700, you wrote: This message is from: Denise Delgado [EMAIL PROTECTED] dear mike, me too. i am waiting to get two sets of registration papers on my two boys. how long does it take? who do i check with (besides the sellers) to see if it has been transfered etc. thanks, denise delgado Well that would be me. Let me know the horses Name Reg# or at least a sire dam if you don't know the number. The previous owners name would help too. Probably better to do this off list though. Email the info to me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mike === Norwegian Fjord Horse Registry Mike May, Registrar Voice 716-872-4114 FAX 716-787-0497 http://www.nfhr.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: KATRINA
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Denise Not your Knut, my mare is 9years old. Sue in New Mexico (not hot yet, still dark)
Re: Weight Carrying Abilities of Fjords
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 7/13/99 12:34:02 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: the liability is just too much to handle This is what hold harmless agreements are for! I state in mine that the student must carry their own medical insurance. I also have a questionairre that asks for existing medical issues. I make my students sign a new aggreemnet and fill out a new form every 6 months. My insurance only requires them yearly but it has been recommended that for the safety of my business to do it twice a year. You can refuse a rider due to her weight...but what if it was a thin rider with a history of blackouts? Or a history of seizures? I had a child who blacked out in stressful situationsvery scary! And I was not told of it ahead of time. So now I ask. I also ask if there is anything that will interfere with the lesson, but I don't turn them away just for being obese. I do tend to spend more time on balancing work (ie-ground poles, jumping position, work without stirrups) and I keep all my students in private lessons until they are completely confident in all 3 gaits. Kate
Re: To shoe or not to shoe
This message is from: B. Hendricks [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Cathey: Wow, Little Thor is awesome! Really nice web site. I bookmarked it so I can go back and ponder it all. Just got back into town after being gone three days - I had to go down to Redding, CA to see my grandson get married. Wow, it is HOT in Redding!! 113 yesterday, and today I fled home! A, S.W. Oregon's 100 degrees felt pretty good! Bonnie Please visit my web sites: Commissioned Horse Portraits, Oil Paintings, Prints, Books http://www.hendricksgallery.com and http://members.xoom.com/BHendricks/Gallery1.html
Re: To shoe or not to shoe
This message is from: B. Hendricks [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi: Do the Fjords normally have good, tough feet? It seems like they would, considering their origins, etc. They look like really tough animals. Bonnie Please visit my web sites: Commissioned Horse Portraits, Oil Paintings, Prints, Books http://www.hendricksgallery.com and http://members.xoom.com/BHendricks/Gallery1.html - Original Message - From: Denise Delgado [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 09, 1999 8:02 PM Subject: Re: To shoe or not to shoe This message is from: Denise Delgado [EMAIL PROTECTED] dear cathey, i don't shoe either of my boys and they do fine trailing in dry rocky terrrain. they also get their share of sandy arena and round pen work without a problem. trimming is all they need. denise in northern calif. foothills. - Original Message - From: Cathey Magill [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 09, 1999 11:51 AM Subject: To shoe or not to shoe
Re: harness and cart
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Laurie, Thanks for telling me about the 2 strap now offered. I'm going to check into it to see if I can get mine switched or order that new piece. Susan
swimming Fjords
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] My daughter had a blast yesterday swimming with Major in a deep creek behind the show grounds. He wasn't too excited about it at first but when all the other horses went in, he couldn't resist! He pawed and splashed and kept sticking his whole face in the water up to his eyeballs, then blowing out his nostrils with gusto!! There was a spot where she was able to get him to actually swim. It was hard to leave. What a perfect end to an exhausting hot day at the show! Anyone else out there swimming with their Fjords? Would love to hear your stories! Susan in hot and sunny Minnesota
Re: harness and cart
This message is from: Laurie Pittman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Susan, The only thing I don't like about the Zilco is that it only has one strap over the back to hold the breeching (I hope I get the names right). I think it would lie nicer on the hip with the two Y ing out like I've seen on most leather harnesses. I must have a newer Zilco than yours. Mine has the 2 straps in a Y going down to the breeching. I love mine too. I use for everyday use and show in it as well. Been told I have a nice turnout. Laurie
