[Ilugc] Security in Ubuntu

[senthilraja P]

Hi,

I installed edubuntu fiesty, and later on forgot the password.  In a guess,
i tried in recovery mode, and i got the shell prompt.  I attempted to edit
the passwd and shadow file, and to my surprise i was able to update it.
Then later on i rebooted and logged in normal way.

now i am wondering, that the security of the system would be compromised.

is ubuntu devised in such a way?  Or is there any other way to protect the
system?

Regards,
Senthil Raja
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Re: [Ilugc] Advocating foss for final year college project

[senthilraja P]

Hi,

Its a good initiative.  Is there any long term plan for guiding the
students.  I would be interested to know the details like what project can
we suggest to the student, what are the key requirements etc.

Regards,
Senthil Raja

On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 8:35 AM, தியாகராஜன் <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Dear Friends,
>
> Mr.Baskar and myself visited Jaya Engg College on 12/may/08  and gave
> a talk on Advantages of using foss in college projects . We gave few
> pointers and the mechanism of doing college projects in the foss way.
> We Thank H.O.D Mr.Kumaran for giving us the opportunity in serving the
> student community.
>
> cheers
>
> Thyagarajan Shanmugham
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Re: [Ilugc] Advocating foss for final year college project

[senthilraja P]

Thanks.  Basically, even though the students are interested, they are
handicapped because of lack of basic skills required for a foss project.

Some example i can quote are:
  * Lack of knowledge of SVN.  (its one of basic operations in any FOSS
project)
  * Lack of knowledge of IRC
  * Lack of knowledge of Colloboration softwares. (like wiki, Project
Management etc)

So, we need to build a few skilled persons in the college, if we intend to
encourage students to take up projects in FOSS.

Regards,
Senthil
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Re: [Ilugc] Security in Ubuntu

[senthilraja P]

>
>
> Sure, these are good suggestions. But the first thing that made our
> man reach the list was that he forgot the damned root password. And
> only since he forgot the root password he found out that security was
> lax.


Exactly.. :)   After  installation, the password was not working.. i thought
of re-install, but this recovery mode worked fine..

In security point of view, i think, even a windows system can be broken if
physical reach is there.

But in some corporate or office setup, we can better secure it, by removing
the CD drive (to prevent live CD option), disabling the recovery mode.  I
think, we can achieve this by tweaking the boot scripts.

Any way, it was a fruitful discussion.
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Re: [Ilugc] re: needed alternative for dreamweaver

[senthilraja P]

I recently tried Aptana Studio editor.  It was very fine, although i could
not comment on using it in real time projects.

regards,
Senthil

On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 9:36 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

>
> On 14-May-08, at 8:27 PM, Ravi Jaya wrote:
>
>  Please let me know the alternative for dreamweaver  in GNU/Linux
>>
>
> a text editor + knowledge of CSS and HTML
>
> --
>
> regards
> kg
> http://lawgon.livejournal.com
> http://nrcfosshelpline.in/code/
>
>
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Re: [Ilugc] Advocating foss for final year college project

[senthilraja P]

>
> Students are not able to use these things because they are not aware of
> these things, which happens because they do not have an opportunity or
> requirement to use them.


Is there any possibility that those from industry create such opportunity..
Currently i see lot of engg students completing 2ndyear, vaguely trying for
IPT, without knowing what it is..  the most common destination for CS, IT
and Electronics student is BSNL :)


> They do not tend to use collaboration softwares because they have nothing
> sorta collaboration in their curriculum and expecting them to come out of
> their curriculum jail is something that I don't see happening in near
> future.


Very valid..  Wondering If not us, who is going to tie the bell..  is there
any other possibility, that the students can be motivated inspite of such
**handicap**

Best way is to make the teaching community addict to using these
collobarative tools for their own purpose..  Like maintaining a separate
server, which hosts an email server (initially for staffs alone for internal
communication) , and webserver..  deploying wiki to maintain and update
syllabuses, and other course materials..
Deploying a blog to maintain communications...
By opening the server to the internet, it would create a change in how they
operate.. if we make it as a habit, it will be a starting point, i feel.

I feel, this is achievable..  If we could demonstrate in one college, others
will automatically follow.. for that we need momentum and co-ordinated
effort from ourselves.. (ie from industry professionals..) ..


> In my personal experience, I found most student's interest to be very short
> lived and temporary and it dies out as soon as they get placed in some foo,
> bar MNC. Although I knew students within ILUGC itself contributing more than
> I have ever tried to, they still are a meager percentage of the student
> community (even within ILUGC) and they themselves were futile in trying to
> get their pals in.
>

Yes indeed..  i  am looking for cause analysis..  Passion and vision is what
required most..  But who is going to infuse those?  I feel, it doesnt come
automatically..  we need some path breaking initiative to break this
deadlock..
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Re: [Ilugc] re: needed alternative for dreamweaver

[senthilraja P]

>
>
>
> Do note(again) that my observation is purely targetted at RAD developers
> and
> not those who develop mission-critical or high performance programs - in
> the
> latter, each and every line of te the program matters, and genreally these
> are 'hand-coded'.
>
>
Are you against RAD model? I feel, the lack of (knowledge of) RAD in linux
is one of the reason why Linux is not widely used for application
development for end user.
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Re: [Ilugc] view linux share

[senthilraja P]

I configured samba, and tried to access the share..  But its extremely slow
to move in to a directory.  (but other connections like ssh & vnc are
working fine..)

Any solutions for this?  To make the linux file share as fast as windows
one?

regards,
Senthil Raja


On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 2:55 PM, Arun Khan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Thursday 15 May 2008, sundar rajan wrote:
> >  hi ilugc now i am using one ubuntu linux  and another one is
> > windows . windows machine want view that linux share.
>
> Not clear what you are asking.  Deducing that you want your Windows box
> to see the folders on your Linux box as a "Network Share"
>
> You will have to install/configure Samba on your Linux.  In synaptic
> search for samba and install all the samba-* packages.  I notice that
> there is a package for GUI configurator but I have not used it. The
> samba configuration file is /etc/samba/smb.conf.  The docs in samba-doc
> or samba-doc-pdf should you get started with a basic setup.
>
> --
> Arun Khan
>
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Re: [Ilugc] view linux share

[senthilraja P]

Thanks a lot..  i am using Xp to access the linux share.

As you said, samba tuning is what needed..

On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 7:02 PM, Arun Khan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Friday 16 May 2008, senthilraja P wrote:
> > I configured samba, and tried to access the share..  But its
> > extremely slow to move in to a directory.  (but other connections
> > like ssh & vnc are working fine..)
>
> Good work on setting up samba.
>
> Strange that your samba shares are slower than windows.  Are you using
> Vista+SP1 or XP+SP2?   I have seen a report that one needs the latest
> samba version for vista+sp1 because M$ introduced some new
> functionality for file sharing methods (sorry don't know the details).
>
> You may have to do some performance tweaking.
>
> Personally, I have not touched samba for > 1 year so cannot help you
> with specifics.
>
> > Any solutions for this?  To make the linux file share as fast as
> > windows one?
>
> I suggest you search through the SAMBA FAQs and mail list archives
> (www.samba.org), I am sure others have experienced the same and got
> their solutions there.
>
> --
> Arun Khan
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[Ilugc] successfully setup samba share

[senthilraja P]

Hi,

In our last discussion, i have asked for a query, that samba share is very
slow.  I have solved this issue.  I dont know the exact reason, but the
following are the ones i did.

1. Added the linux machine to windows domain using kerberos.
2. the /etc/hosts was earlier changed to a different name server.  I changed
it to correct one.

I could not ascertain how the issue gets solved.  But after i restarted the
server the share access was very fast comparatively to other windows share.

Regards,
Senthil Raja
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Re: [Ilugc] RE: requirement for Open Source Web Designer, Web Developer in "open web group"

[senthilraja P]

/** whole idea behind "open web group" is to develop simple and
sophisticated
web applications that one could make use it in his day to day life.  **/

Is it for commercial or for Non-Profit?

/** It is very much opened for student community,  to make themselves  a
contributors  for the society , **/

Some of the students i know dont have knowledge on PHP or MySQL..  But they
want to learn some thing..  Can i refer them..

Basically, i feel this is a fantastic idea..  If we could conceptualise some
theme, and start working on it, we can establish our own FOSS software.

apart from that, we can also direct students to contribute to NGO's to
manage their tasks.  I did a small project for an NGO called chirag, within
my organisation, so that they could organize gift collection easily through
online.  Now they are requesting me to help them to enable this feature in
their website.
[[ I would be glad to explain more on this, for implementation in other
corporates too.. ]]

If any of the students are interested, i would be able to guide them to help
this NGO.  Technical requirements are: PHP, MySQL, and knowledge on AJAX.

If we could match the requirements and the volunteers, a lot of benefits
will happen to both the contributors and the NGO's.

Regards,
Senthil Raja
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Re: [Ilugc] RE: requirement for Open Source Web Designer, Web Developer in "open web group"

[senthilraja P]

/** Yes you are correct,  open web group  is an opportunity to make your
dreams
come true. We welcome your ideas and
concepts, it need not to be something out of box. It could be your own
issues what you, yourself face in day to day life. All we  need is it should
help yourself  as  we as society **/

Is there any website or colloboration tool for open web group?  Sure..  i
have a couple of such issues  that i am facing currently..   one is
implementing SSO in Windows Network for websites hosted in linux..
currently i am trying out mod_auth_kerb module for this.  Yet to get the
result..

Btw, we need to generate the resource pool for this..  I hope we could find
it from this ILUG Community itself..

Another issue that i came across was in writing out documentation..  When i
explained about the importance of documentation to my relative students, the
first thing they told was "I am not well in english"..  I told them,
documentation is only for recording what we know.. you can very well write
in tamil itself.. if needed, later on  we can translate in to english..

This is new experience to me, and i wish, we can try developing a small
application by documenting in tamil, (like requirement listing, design
etc)..

Regards,
Senthil Raja
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Re: [Ilugc] successfully setup samba share

[senthilraja P]

>
>
> > 2. the /etc/hosts was earlier changed to a different name server.  I
> > changed it to correct one.
>
> err, name servers are in /etc/resolv.conf and not /etc/hosts.  This
> could have an effect if you have DNS for your internal hosts; pointing
> it to the correct name server is very important.
>
>
Yes..  it was resolv.conf .


>
> > But after i
> > restarted the server the share access was very fast comparatively to
> > other windows share.
>
> Does this not restore your faith in open source solutions? :)
>
>
I never lost my faith in open source :) .. btw, this was a good experienec,
as i configured samba for first time..

The reason why i went for this solution is to setup web dev folder for my
team..  each of my team member was configured a web folder in server apache,
and the folder was shared to them..

I created share level security and assigned the samba user to their folder..

This enables us to deploy this share as network folder and work directly on
it using eclipse running in our local desktop..  this avoids setting up
local wamp server for each of them..

Regards,
Senthil Raja
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Re: [Ilugc] successfully setup samba share

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> This is a great scenario of work group setup.
>
> Suggest you document your setup (the entire thing i.e. samba, apache,
> eclipse IDE on the desktops) in a wiki/blog so that others can also
> benefit from what you learnt.  You could also contribute it as an
> article to e-zines.
>
>
Thanks..  i will surely document my experience in detail..  I thought it was
the usual practice followed everywhere..
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Re: [Ilugc] [OT] Old Computers, Rs. 14 /- per k.g.

[senthilraja P]

> As already informed about "clearing" very old computers from my school at
> salem, i have sold 286, 286, and 486 machines for Rs. 14/- per k.g.
> by next week , few PI, PII with 166 MHz, 233 MHz with 16MB , 32MB RAM will
> be sold [ for Rs. 16/- per k.g ? ] .
>
> Few members of this ILUGC contacted me, but all are pre occupied  or having
> some practical difficulties.
>
> Since i am in Salem, Tamil Nadu., i can not "send" the machines to any
> other place , also , people who need these computer , may not come and get
> it [ no time and not cost effective ].
>
>

My native is namakkal, and i have a 486 machine unused along with monitor.
Can you please give me the contact details where i can also sell my old
computers?

Regards,
Senthil Raja
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Re: [Ilugc] how share a folder in ubuntu to windows network

[senthilraja P]

>
>
> I am using ubuntu FF and i want to share a folder onto my windows network,I
> am newb and i am not able to share the folder on Windows network(it does
> not
> have a domainonly connected via workspace)
>
>
Just two weeks back, i successfully configured samba in RHEL 5.  Although i
configured it in command line, later i found RHEL 5 has simple GUI for easy
configuration.

Pls check if you have any such desktop GUI application in Ubuntu server
edition for configuring samba.
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Re: [OT] Volunteering (was Re: [Ilugc] Google vs Yahoo, again!)

[senthilraja P]

/** My observation/comments are specific to smaller and local activities.
Case in point, the FOSS related conferences I have attended.  Only
handful of volunteers come forward to organize, execute, and manage the
events.  Invariably, I have seen the same few faces (of the dedicated
individuals) working their a** off.
**/

Its not only volunteering.  However, the management of volunteers.  If there
is a pool of 10 to 20 volunteers, and if there is no one to manage it, then
it will disappear..

Debian is one example of volunteer base..  but there is a core team which
manages all..

similarly, wordpress, and other popular open source softwares are well
managed by core team.

If we could form a core team to define a clear objective manage the
volunteers, we can bring about a change.

Expecting everything to happen out of itself may not be practical..

Just my few cents

Regards,
SEnthil
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[Ilugc] Re: [OT] Volunteering - ways and means

[senthilraja P]

>
> /** I agree about effective management of volunteers.
>
> But then the managers in such activities/events are also volunteers, as
> humans they are not perfect.  Individuals from these "10 to 20
> volunteers" should also take on leadership when they see a gap, instead
> of just following and looking for instructions from "managers."
> **/
>

the managers are visionaries..  the rest are volunteers :)

My opinion is that we dont have leading volunteers..  (including myself)..
we are ready to contribute..  But, we expect some one to lead us..
This is the basic problem in volunteering in india...

I am working in wordpress and i am member of the maling list. but the core 6
members are the visionaries who knows the entire structure of the
wordpress..

Some suggestions:
---

1. Not everyone can do every work.  There is a need to analyse, plan and
split up work, which itself is a big task.
Can we form a team and do this? ie, to identify core areas of volunteering,
the works to do, to collect volunteers, and direct them..
This team should focus only on managing..

2. Volunteers who will be working on the ground..  they will be freed from
the hassle of  managing everything, and hence they could concentrate only on
the work they have to do...

Ways to promote FLOSS:
-

1. To assist in developing skillset among academics.  Once the professor
gets empowered with knowledge, it diffuses to the students.
We can start with selected colleges, and create a model..

2. Create a platform, to network interested students and the academics
across tamilnadu..
the mailing list is not an one shop for all purposes..  this is just for
communication..

3. To form a team to lobby colleges, to adopt floss, and related management
processes..  this lobby team would contain the network of teams who has in
one or other way some influence over college management..

4. To evolve a Open source policy, which would guide us long term.  Now
ILUGC is a directionless ship..  (apologise, if i am wrong or if i have
hurted any one).

Some introspections:
--

* Today, i spoke to my sister, who is working as a professor in an
engineering college.  She has good influence over the management too..
I told her about the use of open source softwares such as wiki, blogs,
forums, groupwares, mail server, to enhance students & syllabi managment.

She told, she dont know anything..  (she has completed ME, and completed  a
project in neural networks)..  and asked me teach those..

I realised the enormous gap b/w academia and the industry professionals..
This is one area we need to addres as core thing.

*  When we propose anything to college staffs or management, the first thing
they want to know is how they will be benefitted.. this cannot be avoided,..
but when we could project some paradises ( :) )  out of open source
softwares, they will surely adopt..
For eg, we can project that they can showcase some technological
implementations to AICTE to get good feedback..
Secondly, we can project some cost savings, in terms of operational
management, by using wiki, mail server, etc
also, they have the next big advantage of attracting new students by
showcasing these simple implementations..

* when we could create initial batches of students with knowledge in key
FLOSS softwares, i believe, it will spill over to successive generations..


Any thoughts?

Regards,
Senthil
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Re: [Ilugc] Re: [OT] Volunteering - ways and means

[senthilraja P]

>
>
> If you say the benefit is KNOWLEDGE then that "education father"
> will say, "Hah, we don't need that".
>
> If you say the benefit is FREEDOM then that "education father" will
> say, "Hah, we don't want to give that to stud/lect".
>
> If you say the benefit is FREE then "education father" ask "Will you
> provide free service for us to use FOSS :)
>
>

If we say, this much thousands of rupees be saved, then they will
immediately show interest :)

we have all the drawbacks in our engineering colleges..  but we have to sail
through that, if we want to pursue our vision..
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Re: [Ilugc] [OT] Volunteering - ways and means

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> > /** I agree about effective management of volunteers.
> > >
> > > But then the managers in such activities/events are also
> > > volunteers, as humans they are not perfect.  Individuals from these
> > > "10 to 20 volunteers" should also take on leadership when they see
> > > a gap, instead of just following and looking for instructions from
> > > "managers." **/
> >
> > the managers are visionaries..  the rest are volunteers :)
> >
> > My opinion is that we dont have leading volunteers..  (including
> > myself).. we are ready to contribute..  But, we expect some one to
> > lead us.. This is the basic problem in volunteering in india...
>
> I could not agree with you more but this is part of nature in all of us,
> why bother, let some one else do it!


WHO??? ..  i am proposing a shared team for this management..

I would disagree that ILUG-C is direction less, I am a member of several
> ILUG lists.  ILUG-Chennai and ILUG-Pune are the most active.
>

There is no doubt, ILUGC is very active.  but, by the term directionless, i
mean, we have no focussed goals with end results..  there can be many goals
and many end results..

 this is just my feeling after participating in this for past one year.


You should get involved in the ILUG-C sponsored activities, inject new
> ideas or processes.  Please get in touch with Kenneth Gonsalves
> (NRCFOSS) who is also a member in this list.
>

Ya..  i know kenneth, as he is the mentor for me in learning about Top
Posting :)



>
> Unfortunately, lack of open source awareness is true even in premier
> technical institutions like IITs, the percentage of open source
> adopters v/s the total student body is probably < 10%.


Any plans or sessions to analyse the reasons behind and document it?

Regards,
Senthil Raja
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Re: [Ilugc] [OT] Volunteering - ways and means

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> /** Again, NRCFOSS is working on the above aspects.  They organize sessions
> for college faculties so that they can teach FOSS related subjects to
> their students.  Suggest you introduce your sister to members of the
> NRCFOSS org.
> **/


> /**   The sad part is that many
> students, who in their college days embrace FOSS, loose interest in it
> once they get a job.

**/



I dont support just sessions or seminars on FOSS..  I remember how seminars,
sessions conducted in technical events..  the students just dont listen
much, for variety of reasons, including their lack of practical knowledge..
Even if some one listen, the knowledge dissipates due to lack of practice..

I would like quote yet another new method i followed in introducting FOSS to
my relative who is studying 3rd year in mahendra engg college..
Initially, for the first two days i was introducing him about open source,
linux, linux commands, web server, html, php, wiki..  at the end of the
second day, i observed, that he dont understand any of those things..
Then i made him use some of the basic linux commands, like ls, cd, etc..  he
too practiced it..

On the third day, i downloaded xxamp stack, and demonstrated how to
install..  i patiently made him do all those things..  ALAS..  he doesnt
remember the ls and cd commands that he practiced before..

I again taught him those, and linked those commands to some practical
situations, like moving to a particular folder to start xampp server etc.

Then he learned about how to start xxampp server, ..  till now, he did not
have any idea of web server..  then i demonstrated, how we can access the
webserver from browser as localhost..

now he could get some idea..  but not fully..

Then  on the third day i guided him to create a folder for him under htdocs
of xampp folder, and then asked to practice some html tags..

He did all those tags, but he could not remember those tags after some
time..  he was interested in surfing cricket scores..

Suddenly i got an idea..  I asked him "Do you want to desing your own IPL
site for displaying cricket score?"  ..

he got interested..  and he slowly started emulating the ipl score site..

As usual, the desired layout did not appear.. but he searched through, and
started making the site..

Now, i first told how the site should appear, and left some time for him to
think..  then i guided him how to achieve that functionality using html..
now he easily learned html, how to link multiple pages and then navigation..

Next, i taught him PHP, on how we can simplify reduntant html pages using
server side program..  he then started implementing that..  instead of
database, i told him initialise data using arrays..

And at last, i taught him how to install some basic open source softwares
like phpbb forum, wordpress etc.

I am sure, he might not have understood much of the things, as he is very
new to the technological side.  But the point i want to note is that
theoritical sessions wont help in any way to the students..  They can just
know the names, and only if they are interested..

Practical sessions may help a little bit, but one day session may not be
much useful..

So, what is the solution to break this deadlock

Infuse vision among the students & staffs..  we have to demonstrate how we
can enhance our life (both work and personal) using FOSS..  and how we can
improve an existing setup using foss..
Once they get the vision, then the learning automatically happens..

The foundation itself is not laid down yet..

So, what are the things that we can do to lay the foundation..

1. Develop practical knowledge on Essential basics of software and
development.  it should be in a complete cycle..
  -> Web server, database, PHP, GIMP, HTML authoring  - the basic
constituents of any web development..
   if we strive to teach this,  we have to teach all..  Just a
session on web server alone will be of no use.
  -> gcc, module dependencies, compiling, building existing modules and
running it, IDE,
 ->  kernel basics, device driver, compiling, and deploying
 ->  gtk+ or Qt+, GUIprogramming python, database connectivity, (it will
make a complete cycle where
   one can develop a practical application using these knowledge.
 -> Gambas/Mono, database connectivity, application programming

2. Prepare some practical scenarios in colleges where FOSS can be made for
every day use.
 -> mail server deployed locally opened to internet
 -> wiki, forums, blogs as announcement medium
 -> maintaining webserver, firewall.. server clusters, load balancing -
all connected to internet
 -> Research oriented application - RFID, image recognition, wireless,
mobile

3. We, the FOSS enthusiasts should first start our own networking portal,
with wiki, forums, gallery, videos, file directory, project
management, common user management,  course management etc... the main
purpose, is that we are discussion lot of thing in the mails, which is not
manage

Re: [Ilugc] [OT] Volunteering - ways and means

[senthilraja P]

>
>
> /**
>
>> obviously , you are dumping too many things on him .how he can learn  HTML
>> ,
>>  php , database in such a short time ? This is the reason why students
>> treat
>> FOSS as a Alien :P . Dont force them to learn foss rather attract them to
>> your side .
>>
>>
> He was trying to teach the boy some basics and an initiative, and not
> trying to make the-best-in-the-city web developer. You should take each of
> them a day to learn and be comfortable with the basics of each, and the rest
> of the time you try to apply them and build something, in the process learn
> more and correct yourselves of things you got wrong or couldn't understand.
> HTML, PHP and Database is not a big deal at all, mean the basics.

***/


I am dumping everything to him..  and its not that he is not interested..
the truth is that he dont know anything about computers, except for
browsing..  he came to me, just to learn something..

You see..  before he gets used to windows, i am training him on Linux/FOSS
..

/**obviously , you are dumping too many things on him .how he can learn
 HTML ,
php , database in such a short time ? This is the reason why students treat
FOSS as a Alien :P . Dont force them to learn foss rather attract them to
your side .
**/

Dumping means, making a person sit in front of you, and read everything..
(the one that's happening in schools and colleges)..
What i did was to align myself to his interest (IPL matches), and use that
as a theme for him to learn technologies..

He is not actually learning html, php exclusively..   rather, he is doing a
job of his interest (ie designing a site for IPL score), and in that process
learning html,php etc..  (i havent started database yet :) )

ie, instead of simply knowing things, he is learning how to apply those
things in real time..

Btw, forcing is not all that bad..  My father forced me to a computer course
in my 6th & 7th annual leave...  that provided a basis (like variables,
arrays etc) for me learn pick up programming..


>
>  Ask him whether he is really interested in learning foss . Install a basic
>> Linux distro like ubuntu ,let him use that for a month or two . Later you
>> can teach about Linux command , xxamp server , mailing list ,forms etc
>>
>>
> Ok, lemme ask you a question. What do you mean by "FOSS" and "learning
> FOSS"? This is one question is always ask people who speak about FOSS,
> learning FOSS, FOSS jobs etc. and most of the time they have a pretty absurd
> definition for them.
>
> --



How do he learn learn those distro, without knowing how to use them..
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Re: [Ilugc] [OT] Volunteering - ways and means

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/*** May be. But surely not every head and tail of it. Until unless you keep
going through them and put them in practice, even the favorite things vanish
from memory. He was not able to remember the tags because he had used them
only a few times. He will start remembering things once he starts using them
more and more, and deciding that he is not interested just because he can't
remember them the very next time is not wise.
/

You have hit the nail..  this is what i am referring to..  we need to devise
ways so that people participate in realtime projects..  either existing
project or a new one based on our requirements..  like a college management
project, or school management etc.

Let our new approach be a initiator for the larger academic transformation,
both in school & colleges..  at any cost, we need to come out of the
macaulay system, which produces only clerks and educated coolies :)

Imagine, if the education department enforces a law, which  makes it
mandatory for the student to participate in any of the real time projects
right from second year.. (backed by proper planning and infrastructure)..

Btw, i heard from a professor that Anna University is working on to network
all engg colleges by OFC..  if its so, this would unleash new era of
connectivity..  But, as usual, we are still underequipped to utilise it..

Regards,
Senthil Raja
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Re: [Ilugc] [OT] Volunteering - ways and means

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/*** May be. But surely not every head and tail of it. Until unless you keep
going through them and put them in practice, even the favorite things vanish
from memory. He was not able to remember the tags because he had used them
only a few times. He will start remembering things once he starts using them
more and more, and deciding that he is not interested just because he can't
remember them the very next time is not wise.
/

You have hit the nail..  this is what i am referring to..  we need to devise
ways so that people participate in realtime projects..  either existing
project or a new one based on our requirements..  like a college management
project, or school management etc.

Let our new approach be a initiator for the larger academic transformation,
both in school & colleges..  at any cost, we need to come out of the
macaulay system, which produces only clerks and educated coolies :)

Imagine, if the education department enforces a law, which  makes it
mandatory for the student to participate in any of the real time projects
right from second year.. (backed by proper planning and infrastructure)..

Btw, i heard from a professor that Anna University is working on to network
all engg colleges by OFC..  if its so, this would unleash new era of
connectivity..  But, as usual, we are still underequipped to utilise it..

Regards,
Senthil Raja
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Re: [Ilugc] to start iilugc in sri krishna college of engg & tech coimbator

[senthilraja P]

/** i am sathis kumar systems manager  for sri krishna college of engg &
tech
, coimbatore. our college interested in using open source software. Now we
are in the process of setting up separate open source lab and open source
wireless lab. our management and principal intrested to start INDIAN LINUX
USER GROUP IN OUR College. so please reply the procedures to start the forum
**/

Sathish,

This is really a great news that some one from colleges is taking the
initiative.

However, you havent specified your requirements exactly.  What are the areas
you want to use open source software?

I am lobbying my sister to implement mail server, webserver in her college
(kumarasamy college, karur), which she also agreed.
I have also canvassed a couple of students in Mahendra college to implement
the same there..

I feel, it is the simple starting of some serious opensource technologies at
the college level.

My proposal is that can we form a network of college professors, to share
and diverse open source knowledge and skill sets?

Regards,
senthil Raja
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Re: [Ilugc] PHP in Enterprise Organizations

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/** What about Job Opportunities for PHP in Enterprise Organizations? **
I am working in an MNC, and i am working on Wordpress..  We implemented
wordpress multi user in our company, and my career was based on it for the
past two years..  and believe it, out of all internal portals, the blog
portal is heavy success..

When i started with wordpress it was nightly build version of Multi user
version.. and due its success, we are now working on porting the code to
latest version.. (we had lot of customizations done here)..

So, its not just PHP.. we have to complete the lifecylce..  i mean, the LAMP
Administration, Linux Commands, if possible Unix Shell Scripting, and some
practical knowledge like backup mechanism, etc..

Definitely these skills will help in getting job in an MNC..

More than PHP, i feel, knowledge on Open Source software would be the best
job opportunity..

Regards,
Senthil
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Re: [Ilugc] PHP in Enterprise Organizations

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/** I think I know what you are talking about. I agree that "our company"
has "some" operations. But how many are customer facing? Out of the
1000s what % would be FOSS? Just curious.
**/

I agree..  however, still there are customer facing projects ..  i also
worked on another customer project implementing oscommerce .
I heard a couple of other projects like drupal etc for the customer project.

There are also some client projects on Movable Type Blogging software too.

The quantity is too low, compared to commercail products.

Generally, i encourage students to learn a technology in its complete life
cycle..  ie, if one opts to learn PHP, then apache, mysql, webdesigning like
HTML, CSS, GIMP .. all comes in to the loop..

There are lot of freelance projects, particularly on social networking one..

One of my friend is working exclusively on implementing opentaps for his
customer..

I feel, when techies of open source raise above programming and concentrate
on architecture, we can certainly match commercial vendors..

Regards,
Senthil
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Re: [Ilugc] FOSS awareness program acheivement

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> LinuXpert  Systems has completed its 100th FOSS awareness program
>> successfully. This program has been conducted in various colleges all over
>> TamilNadu. The schedule of program is available at the following link
>>
>>  http://linuxbaskar.googlepages.com/
>>
>
>

Congrajulations Baskar..  i second kenneth in having your own domain ..
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Re: [Ilugc] to start iilugc in sri krishna college of engg & tech coimbatore

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/** The PDF document which explains the benefits of setting up FOSS lab and
tools
required for basic setup is available at **/

Excellent compilation..
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Re: [Ilugc] Re: ilugc Digest, Vol 50, Issue 19

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/** By the way what was that about "I know that its a little hard to
put up with a government organisation, because we have been brought up in a
way to have very negative thoughts about it." Whoever says such a statement
must have never had to deal with a government organisation himself. It is
the same all over the country to a large extent and hence we prefer and
trust private companies over government ones even if they offer us a cheap
deal.
***/

This is a valid concern.. however, i ordered a laptop, because of the trust
i had on Umashankar, MD, ELCOT.

However, i have sent a mail to him requesting clarification on service
issues, but hadnt got any reply yet..

Service is one of the major concern..  if its clarified, i think ELCOT brand
would be a big hit..

Regards,
Senthil
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[Ilugc] My First Session for Engineering students

[senthilraja P]

Hi All,

Last sunday, i gave a seminar to 3 engg students on Web server, MySQL
server, PHP, and some basics of web programming, like sending form variables
procesing it in server using PHP, updating mysql and retrieving from it.

The students were very encouraged at this, and in the evening they called me
and said, "We are very interested" and they started working on a sample
project for resume/profile management".  And i am sure, in their final year
project, they would be able to do a project on their own.

I also gave them the demonstration of how to install a typical PHP
application like Mediawiki, forum, wordpress blogs etc.  But more than that,
i gave them an idea, on how to bring those softwares in to common use in
their college.  I have already expressed in this ILUG group.  I will again
recall it below.

1. To implement Knowledge Management Portal in their college using Media
wiki.  I gave them an idea of how easily we can create new pages, and manage
our data, and they are very much interested.

2. To implement an announcement portal using wordpress, for every
department.  This announcement portal would be used to publish all circulars
issued by the principals and HOD.

They would be discussing with their HOD and staffs and get back to me by
this week.

One thing i observed from this experience is that there are enough students
who are very much interested to learn.  The problem is that there is
complete lack of guidance and support from knowledged quarters.  Without
these basic knowledge they felt handicapped and could not implement any of
their ideas even if they are very much interested.  When i sat down with
them, they came with lot of ideas, and i just told them how easily we can
implement those with WAMP/LAMP tools.

I would like to bridge this knowledge divide, and i am thinking of how to
interlink those industry professionals and academic students.

My goal is to implant the basic knowledge to as much students as possible,
so that they would be able to implement their ideas.  And it should be a
participative mode.  The three students whom i taught would be further
teaching another 5 students (of different college) in the coming week.  I
also want to make sure, that not any single college exploits the knowledge
acquired by these students.  For this, the solution is to diffuse this
knowledge to other colleges, and enable inter college participation on this.

I also suggested them to add Open Source concepts and particularly on FOSS
tools in the symposium that they are going to do.


Some suggestions:

1. What i have done is very basic thing, that need not require any expertise
or great skills.  However, to actually get a momentum, we need to establish
knowledge pockets, on advanced technicalities like Building a Linux Distro
from source, knowledge on compiling methods, linux programming etc.

2. We can evolve a list of basic skills needed for the students, and
volunteer to teach them at some selected colleges.  Once a team is formed,
then those students should volunteer to teach their juniors and other
college students.  This will create innumerable opportunities and would
unleash the creativity of young minds.  Imagine, if atleast few in each
college knows how to build a linux distro, we would have atleast a dozen
customized distro in india.

--

I am sorry if i am too impractical.  But i just shared some of my vision
with you all.

Regards,
Senthil
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Re: [Ilugc] ERP software

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/** I have to use an Enterprise Resource Planning software for one of my
friend`s textile factory **/

I came across a software called ERP5 , that's specially designed for
Apparell industry.  I havent tried it out, but i feel it could be a good
choice.

WebERP:  I think, its not that much usable in the present context.  If we
could tweak some PHP code there, we can make it usable.

Opentaps: One of my friend's friend is working on opentaps.  The UI is well,
and simple.  Since its based on OFBiz, (apache's another project), it may be
given a try.

Open Bravo:  I think, it has too much of features, and the UI is not that
much friendly.  (To my very limited knowledge and experience)

Regards,
Senthil Raja
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Re: [Ilugc] My First Session for Engineering students

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>
>
>>
>> I am sorry if i am too impractical.  But i just shared some of my vision
>> with you all.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Senthil
>>
>>
> This is not impractical, it just needs coordinated effort from us. We can
> organise a set of teams, each of which handles a different domain like
> kernel development, web development, packaging etc.  But how do we do this
> and how to go and let people know about this needs some more discussion.
>
> That was a good work Senthil.
>
> cheers
> Santos


Thanks santhosh..  I suggest, that we can have the skills database from our
ILUGC group..  it would be useful if we want to plan in future..


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Re: [Ilugc] My First Session for Engineering students

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>
> LFS was one of the most interesting things I did :D. And yeah. I believe
> ABS
> must be a part of every Linux curriculum. http://tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/
>

++1 :)


>
> I am wondering if we need customized distros. It would actually work better
> if we had a StudentForce GNU/Linux or something like that with a ground up
> package manager and 0 config tools (so that people dont depend on a single
> tool for grow up the *nix way) . Here we can allocate a package or two to
> every interested student and watch it progress.. I am sure it will grow
> into
> a hge distro. Of course we can have trusted users, community repos etc.
> I love the Archlinux project for that.
>

I am recommending bcoz, only if student understands the full compiling
process they can work on individual modules effectively.  They need not
customize the distro..  but, they can atleast know how to compile it from
source and make it running..

Personally i feel, there are lot of customizations needed for the Linux, to
match microsoft..  probably high level customization..  It would also help
in localising the distros

Regards,
SEnthil
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Re: [Ilugc] My First Session for Engineering students

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/** +1 to this. Creating a distribution is possibly a learning experience
in terms of package management, etc, but it would be far more useful
to learn to write and maintain software/applications. At the
beginner's level, a new package management system is a bit challenging
because lots of advanced concepts about security come into play.
**/

I agree..  my core point is to establish knowledge pockets on all these
skills.. whether package management, or application development or kernel
coding. whatever may be, we need to focus on how to establish and sustain
that skill set..

Another attempt i made was, after introducing them MySQL, i showed them how
to connect to mysql from VB (which they already learned)..  this way, the
dependance on Access and mSQL server could be reduced..

Then we have gambas similar to VB, and MonoDevelop/Sharpdevelop similar to
.NET ..

So even in application development, the present state is NIL..

Regards,
Senthil
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Re: [Ilugc] AEC IT and Rural India Conference

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/**
1.Village GIS system: This will use the openstreetmap to provide
all information like vao office, schools etc.

2.Agri/botanical information. The details about the crop, soil
 and other such information to be aggregated using some tool.

.
.

**/

This is an excellent suggestion and a nice idea..

However, to avoid the risk of being theoritical, can we evolve a set of use
cases, on how the people at rural villages would be using these
informations..

Instead of taking up bulk of suggestions at one time, can we take few
important suggestions, and then work in details, right from conceptual to
implementation, and sustainability.

Analysis of the predicted outcome in that area because of this project,
would help us improve the clarity of our goals..

Some of my suggestions:


1. Establish Connectivity at rural areas, through Fibre Optics.  And then
persuading IT related companies to setup office there.  Initially, BPO's can
start with this.  Once we could make a pilot project successful, i feel,
more will follow up.

Some of my predicted Usage Scenarios:
--
   -> People working in BPOs tend to settle in villages (due to reduced
living cost & work availability) .  This will bring in economy there, which
provide more opportunities.  As a result, shops with urban items would be
setup, clinics would be opened, good theatres will come, and these people
would be a good market for the surrounding farmers, to sell their produces.
Over the period of time, good schools would be setup, and thus, a complete
cycle of basic requirements will be available.
-> The rural people have immediate accessibilitie to the educated ITES for
any help or guidance. and the local people by implicit start learning IT
business.

2. I think, now internet connection is available in all Panchayat Offices.
We can approach the government, and use that connectivity to setup small
browsing centres and computer centre.  But, that should not teach them c or
c++.. rather, that should teach only the tools and softwares necessary and
beneficial to those rural people..

They should not be trained to merely consume the information..  Rather, they
should be able to contribute their knowledge back, even though its not that
much technical or sophisticated..  Training the people to express themselves
will bring drastic change in their thought process.

Some examples are:
1. Creating a issue resolution system there.  So that any knowledge person
can go to browsing center, and log in their complaints for view by their
panchayat leader.  This would enable them to maintain issue history, which
they can review and analyse in the long run.

2. To create a local forum to discuss about their issues. (the forums
accessible in the browsing centre..)

And for using all these, they need to know typing.  We can setup a small
typing training centre..

And all these in our Mother Tongue..  and they should be trained to type in
Mother Tongue first.




I dont know if its practical or not..  But, my approach to problem is
"Enhancing our life with IT tools, rather than enhancing the tools with our
life"..

ie, first we need to understand our requirement..  then when we get a new
knowledge/tools/technology, how can we use it for improving our current
situation.. how can we adapt it to our lifestyle..

If we think in this framework, we can be more indigenous, and automatically
innovation will emerge, when we start implementing it..

Regards,
Senthil Raja
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Re: [Ilugc] invi$ible hand to blame?

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/** there is nothing to discuss - no IAS officer is ever given more than 3
years in a post. And it will be very difficult for the new guy to undo
everything that has been done. Look at it positively, Umashankar now has a
whole new department to linuxify **/

The new guy cannot do much..  but, there are always vulture waiting for the
turn..  there is scope, that proprietary softwares can just get the required
approval from this new guy, and then set their own motion..

Generally in highly techincal areas, the IAS officer can be extended till
the current scheme has been completed..  I typically see a invisible hand in
his transfer..

Possible scenarios..  the new ELCOT Laptop, will now be bundled with Windows
Vista, instead of SUSE..  the further Computerisation may use windows
products..  in the long run either co-operating with existing open source
applications deployed, or slowly replacing them, citing upgradation
problems..

It all depends on the new MD..

Regards,
Senthil
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Re: [Ilugc] python workshop in Krishna engineering college coimbatore

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/** I dont use slides - I sit and type code and the participants follow
along on their machines. The college has a lab that can accommodate about 70
people - with around 50 machines and all on the internet. **/

Can you please elaborate??  How did all the 70 peopel manage to see your
demonstration..  is there any webex kind of software used??

Regards,
Senthil Raja

On Sun, Jul 27, 2008 at 8:40 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

>
> On 27-Jul-08, at 6:30 PM, Venkatraman S wrote:
>
>  hi,
>>> conducted a one-day python workshop at Krishna engineering college,
>>> Coimbatore. It was attended by about 60 staff and students. The whole
>>> workshop was hands-on and was a good success. Many questions at the end.
>>> The
>>> management of Krishna engineering college are very keen on open source,
>>> so I
>>> request LUG members who go to Coimbatore to visit the college and hold
>>> sessions. Looks like foss in kongunaad is taking off.
>>>
>>>
>> Share the slides(if any) plz.
>>
>
> I dont use slides - I sit and type code and the participants follow along
> on their machines. The college has a lab that can accommodate about 70
> people - with around 50 machines and all on the internet.
>
> --
>
> regards
> kg
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> http://nrcfosshelpline.in/code/
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[Ilugc] Open Source Implementation at mahendra engg College

[senthilraja P]

Hi All,

Hope, everyone remember my earlier mail on possible implementation of open
source software for regular day to day use in colleges.

As a follow up, i have prepared a team of 4 final year students in mahendra
engg colelge, mallasamudram, tcode, and they have sourced a separate machine
and installed wiki, blogs and forums in that machine.

The principal seems to be encouraging these students..

I used the following setup..

1. WAMP server
2. Mediawiki
3. Wordpress
4. phpBB

I had a mobile conference with them, guiding them clearing their doubts..
Although, the above softwares are very simple, they had lot of obstacles,
and now, they seem to be confident of installing and deploying the
applications..

There was question of how to sustain these applications in future.. we have
proposed to build a team comprising of students from 2nd year, in training
on Open source web development, so that the skill set could continue in
future..

Next step:
--
To install a mail server (available in ubuntu server edition) and use an
open source mail client, preferrably Thunderbird, at each of the officials
systems.  Initially, it would be configured in principal's system, all HOD's
and staffs.

Later, a web based mail client can be setup so that each student would be
given a mail id, which they can access over the browser...

Request:

I do not have experience in setting up a mail server.  So, can any one who
has experience in this, pls let me know, so that i could contact in case of
any help.

Also, any inputs or suggestions regarding this are welcome..

Regards,
Senthil Raja
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Re: [Ilugc] Women in Free Software Community

[senthilraja P]

Yes.. its indeed true..  Not even a bit of enthusiasm..

I just tried explaining to my two cousin sisters, all working as lecturers..
All of no use :(

Open source needs strategic mindset..  women generally lack that strategic
sense..  this is my humble opinion..

Regards,
Senthil Raja

On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 11:24 AM, Sri Ramadoss M <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> HI,
>
> Listening to Women in Free Software Community at mukt.in by Vidya Iyer.
>
> 2006 - 1.5% in Free Software Community ?
>
> why? what can be done? what need to be done?
>
> --
> Regards,
>
> Sri Ramadoss M
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Re: [Ilugc] Women in Free Software Community

[senthilraja P]

/** since you are incapable of understanding what is top posting and why you
should not do it, how can you explain anything to anyone? **/

/** Bleh[1]: Please do not top post and please chop off old signatures when
you are quoting past mails. **/

I am extremely sorry for top posting..  kenneth.. i understood top posting
thanks your guidance earlier..  Now this is a careless mistake on my part,
and i apologize for that..

/** I would beg to differ on your opinion, we cannot associate open source
with anything peculiar or particular like 'strategic mindset'. Its a way of
life...the choices some of us have made..And I strongly oppose generalizing
on basis of gender or 'whatever'. It's just that its a male dominated
society where in we believe that we are superior, which is quite quite
incorrect.
**/

I am not talking of male superiority..  i am of the opinion that no one can
be superior in all aspects over others..  Everyone have their unique
strength and weakness..  Infact, women are superior in many of the aspects
than men..  so no question of supporting male domination here..

/** Open source needs open minds and whoever has it will be successful.
There are lots of successful women in FOSS world, especially in area which
need creative, patient minds. As far as I am exposed to Ubuntu project,
there are lots of women participating in higher levels of managing the
project. I also know few womens who are more like brand names in Usability
and HCI area, especially in KDE circles. We also have women from India
contributing to the Linux kernel project itself. We have lots of Indian
women involved in Localization projects.
**/

Regarding women's participation in FOSS, i am not generalising any thing..
i just expressed the underlying reason, that i had opined..

There is no second thought women should be encouraged to participate..

Btw, i am a fan of "Alolita Sharma" who writes regularly at LFY..  we can
see her blog at http://opensourcebuzz.blogspot.com/

However, the fact that there is only negligible women members participating
in the discussion here, cannot be overlooked..


Hope, i am not top posting now..

Regards,
Senthil Raja
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Re: [Ilugc] 2 day FOSS workshop for faculty in the Kongu region

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>> too many item for two days, i feel.

>>not necessarily will all items be covered. depends on the speakers. if
there are more items we can divide into two tracks. the idea is to >>give
them a taste of a wide range of foss goodies so that they will be eager for
more in-depth workshops in the future.

I second ramdas..  Its too much information in two days..

Any way..  this is a best initiative in terms of FOSS, and i understand that
its a introduction seminar that would drive interests to the faculty for
further practical workshops..

However, what i feel was that, we need to change the methodology and
approach in delivering foss..  We can explain different scenarios, and then
explain how we can use FOSS technologies there..

Just my few cents...
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Re: [Ilugc] 2 day FOSS workshop for faculty in the Kongu region

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>its happening in all the TTP. The staff's only argument is, "why we want to
>learn a topic from out of syllabus". Still FOSS is an elective paper. They
>will not take it as seriously until it will be one of the main subject in
>their curriculum.

Target the students..  they cant ignore, as it enhances the career..

Two years before, i tried approaching the HOD of a college.. But, there was
not much response, as the information is not clearly conveyed.. (rather the
opportunity does not arise)..

Now, from the same college, i have formed a 4 member team.. who are very
much interested..  I took some efforts on my own initially to teach the
basic..  Now, they used to call me often for any help and i am relaxed..

And when we have a set of team listening us (whether its student or
lecturers), we can then direct them to the source of learning..

The underlying motto is "Give only when they seek.. " .. but for that, we
need to create the interest in them..

So, in the next conference, the students can also be invited along with the
faculties..

Regards,
Senthil
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[Ilugc] Need Help on setting up backup web servers

[senthilraja P]

Hi,

We are planning to setup a Live Backup server for our blog application. The
requirement is that one of the server should act as backup server, and when
the load peaks up, it should share the load.  During normal times, the main
server would be handling all the loads. When the main server fails for some
reason, the backup server should take on automatically, and any data
updation has to be synchronised with the main server, once its up.

We need suggestions, guidance and reference material for achieving this
requirement.

Regards,
Senthil Raja
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[Ilugc] Efficiency of Projects in Mono

[senthilraja P]

Hi,

I was going through Mono and Mono develop few days back.  It was said, that
mono is a .NET port for linux, spearheaded by Novell.

Can Mono be an efficient tool for commercial projects?  If its so, why its
not widely adopted?

There is a good IDE similar to Visual Studio, and it would provide a good
dev platform for application projects.

Is there any review of Mono to know more about its viability?

regards,
Senthil
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Re: [Ilugc] Efficiency of Projects in Mono

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>is it a  proved one  or still a fiction,  if so, it could save handsome
>money for my clients and i could happily port everthing to linux box.

As per the mono website, (http://www.mono-project.com/Software), two
applications developed in it caught my attention

-> http://www.splendidcrm.com/  (a port of sugar crm)
-> Deki Wiki

I feel, if Mono is really feasible, we can establish it for RAD for some
realtime business applications..

Regards,
Senthil
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Re: [Ilugc] Efficiency of Projects in Mono

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>> also look at dotgnu - I think it is closer to dotnet as it uses C#

I just googled for comparing dotgnu and mono..  the following articles are
interesting

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/02/11/mono_and_dotgnu_whats/

http://www.internetnews.com/dev-news/article.php/3361991

It seems, only Microsoft is going to get benefitted by either Mono or
DotGNU..

But clearly, Mono is in an advantageous position..

A lot of commercial applications has been developed using Mono..
particularly the dekiwiki from mindtouch.com looks promising..

Any alternate views?  particularly on whether microsoft will get benefitted
out of .NET port to linux?

Regards,
Senthil
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Re: [Ilugc] Efficiency of Projects in Mono

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>Porting .NET to Linux will definitely help Microsoft.  Perhaps not
>in direct Windows sales, but in the platform war against Java.
>
>Microsoft is already heavily involved in adding .NET support for
>Python, Ruby, etc.  Back in 2000 my university was funded by
>Microsoft to port our Mercury programming language to .NET.
>
>An increased .NET marketshare, will certainly benefit Microsoft.

Yes..  its very true..  there is this possibility also..  it will provide a
very good chance for all .NET developers to embrace linux..  existing of
mono-develop and sharp-develop will make them dump visual studio for small
and medium projects..  Windows sales will be dropped, the VStudio sales
would be dropped, if the Mono matures in to stable product..

But in overall, the benefit to microsoft is more than losses.. Hence i
suggested Ruby on Rails for the final year engineering students for doing
their project.. (earlier i was thinking of suggesting .NET in Mono)

I went thru the .NET architecture..  the main advantage of CLR format in
.NET is that its converted to native code the first time it is executed, and
all subsequent runs will use the compiled code..  but the java byte code is
compiled everytime it was run..  Cant Java fill this gap easily?

Regards,
Senthil
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Re: [Ilugc] foss hardware workshop at Ooty

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>also curious does this model work out in cyber cafe's in us and european
nations? from what i understand  from various people whom i have >talked to
including cafe owners, they use MS Windows. why do you think that it would
work particularly in India?

Recently my brother went to sweden for higher studies.  He plans to buy a
laptop there..  and he found that windows vista is the default OS supplied
in all the machine..  But many of the programs in windows doesnt work in
vista..  I just sent an astro software that works in XP here to a person
there, and he could not run it in vista..

few years down the line, when there is possibility of vista becomeing
standard, then users will find both Linux and vista equally new..

Btw, on the war of Linux vs Windows in cyber cafe's, kenneth's suggestion of
mixed machines is the best solution..  few of the systems can be linux and
the server can be linux..  by this, we have choices to give to customer..
Those who just want to browse can use Linux and those who want windows, also
has the offer..

Since mozilla has been widely used now, switching to linux for browsing
purpose wont make much difference..

Open office can perform most of the works that MS word does..  But, its the
user experience that ultimately matters..  I feel, Open Office has not
reached the level to match Word's sophisticated UI and user experience.  but
functionally  we can do most of the things MS does..

As i said long back, this can be a good case point for the academic students
to take on..  identify where OO lacks w.r.t wonword, and then take that as a
mini project or academic project..

Regards,
Senthil
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Re: [Ilugc] Re: FYI: ELCOT Student Labtop Offer

[senthilraja P]

/

> As for the durability of the Acer, only time will tell - but it survived
> the
> Elcot Firewalk test, it runs fairly cool, and it is a stock Intel Santa
> Rosa
> platform - so I have no concerns at the moment. The build quality is
> superb, and is better than high-end Tadpole Sparcbooks and Apple
> Macbooks in fit and finish.
>
> In short, a fabulous deal from Elcot, and let's hope they repeat it next
> year or make it a regular annual event. Kudos to Umashanker and his
> team for their hard work and execution that made this possible!
>
> -Siva
>

/*

Thanks siva for your extensive feedback..

I feel, the trust that i placed on Umashankar have rewarded..  For me, the
laptop was despatched on 6-sep, but still yet to receive the communication.

I heard, that a lot of colleges had made use of this initiative.. My
relative student, said just in his college alone, there around 600 orders
this year..  They provided an offer to the student to pay in installments
along with the fees of coming semesters, and with interest, it was charged
at Rs.35,000

Eagerly waiting for the laptop, after seeing your feedback.

Regards,
Senthil
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Re: [Ilugc] eGranary

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>Now, is it possible to handle both system, the normal internet & eGranary
in
>one browser simultaneously? I want to bring this flexibility to the student
>that, no one need to change this proxy anymore, when anyone wants to use
>eGranary, he/she can use it; and when anyone wants to user internet, it
will
>be ok too... in same web browser.I searched but didn`t find too much about
>this.

I dont know if this solution would work...  Host egranary app in port 80..
in the browser, add the url for the egranary in the proxy exclusion list..

In our company we are doing this..  In IE, there is a check box "Bypass
proxy for all intranet URL's"

In this way, the browser automatically bypasses the proxy if an intranet url
is used.

Regards,
Senthil Raja
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[Ilugc] Zimbra Vs Ubuntu Server

[senthilraja P]

Hi,

Which one can we use for setting up a mail server.  Either the full packaged
Zimbra or the core mail server available in Ubuntu?

I was considering Ubuntu server but my friend recommended Zimbra as having
many other advantages, like web based portal providing ajax facilities,
calendar etc.

Regards,
Senthil
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Re: [Ilugc] Linux Introduction class for ELCOT Laptop users

[senthilraja P]

>>VirtualBox is there. but they dont know about it.

I tried installing XP inside virtual box.  But the size of display area
inside the virtual machine is small..

But other than that, suse linux is very nice to use with all pre-loaded
softwares.

For normal students, the plethora of softwares loaded in suse may be a
burden..  they can in turn use ubuntu linux..

I tried to find apache server in the installation, but could not find..
Software installation is little bit difficult in suse..

Regards,
Senthil
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Re: [Ilugc] Software Freedom Day 08 at Kamban Engg collge, Tiruvannamalai

[senthilraja P]

>>The students - really pearls. Very highly motivated, intelligent and
dedicated especially one Shivamoorthy. I am >sure FOSS community >>will get
few more sudharshans from here.

Its great to know the success of the event.  Its high time that we have to
move the next level...  in finding out how we can use the FOSS for our own
improvement in practical life..
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[Ilugc] Open source bluetooth alternative of bluesoleil

[senthilraja P]

Hi,

Is there any open source alternative for bluesoleil?  I searched the net but
could not find anything concrete.

Regards,
Senthil
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Re: [Ilugc] Quasar - Accounting Package

[senthilraja P]

I tried openerp, and its UI is very good..  it needs some level of training
for using it..

But the value of the software can be ascertanined only based on how
successfully it is developed..

Openerp uses postgresql..  UI based on GTK library

dont know how tinyERP can suit this..

I think, if we could project the business usability of open source tools
such as tinyERP, openerp, ERP5 (exclusively for apparels industry), and
openbravo, opentaps etc, we can popularise FLOSS tools very easily..

Currently, i am using gnuCash for maintaining my personal accounts..  but
the reporting seems to be not user friendly..  but for maintaining personal
accounts, its a very good tool..

Regards,
Senthil


On 12/17/08, Kenneth Gonsalves  wrote:
>
> On Wednesday 17 Dec 2008 2:19:10 pm ம. ஸ்ரீ ராமதாஸ்|Sri Ramadoss M wrote:
> > I feel for Evaluation purpose we can discuss features available in a
> > non-free software that should be made available in a Free Software.
>
> this was not that type of disuccion - someone recommended Kalkulate - which
> is
> not free software.
>
> --
> regards
> KG
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Re: [Ilugc] Quasar - Accounting Package

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First of all, i apologise for top posting (in my last mail) to kenneth :)

I forgot to mention another tool.. Xtuple's postbooks..  this is also a very
good one, that's available both as open source (OpenMFG) and commercial..

http://www.xtuple.com/postbooks
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[Ilugc] Open Source now in political domain

[senthilraja P]

Hi,

http://news.rediff.com/report/2009/mar/14/loksabhapoll-bjp-to-promote-free-open-software.htm

While i do not want to bring politics here, i would like to highlight the
amount of awareness that the above news could bring in.  If other political
parties follow the same announcement, then open source will get a boost.

Already some of the political leaders are using open source to great
extent.  For example, in www.lkadvani.in joomla and  wordpress is used.  And
they are using phplist for the mailing list too.

Do any one have info on how other political leaders are using open source?

Regards,
senthil
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[Ilugc] scopes of using thin client

[senthilraja P]

Hi

i have 4 older system (200 to 500 mhz) with me, and would like to use that
as thin client for the computer center that i propose to set in my village.
I am planning to use Ubuntu Server for this.  I am doing this in my village,
to set it as a small village information center (with internet), and also as
a center for teaching basics of open source to the school students.  (few
college going students are also there).

Since i dont have experience in setting up think client, i would like to
know, if we can run GUI applications in the thin client, or whether we can
use only command line interface.  Is it possible to run Mozilla browser?  If
so,can we install Ubuntu Desktop in those thin clients?

If any of you have any suggestions on other ways we can use this thin client
setup, its welcome.

I am doing this as pilot project with hardwardes available with me..  Based
on the outcome, i am planning to setup such a lab in the primary goverrnment
school in my village.

Regards,
senthil
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Re: [Ilugc] Microsoft Fights back with FIRE

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Recently, i heard from my neighbour that microsoft is selecting students
from various engineering colleges for training abroad..  my neighbour's
daughter  also got selected, and they were so thrilled upon this..

While i could understand the tactics of microsoft, i could not explain it to
them as they might not understand..  Microsoft is canvassing by the lure of
travel abroad and also creating a hype..

Regards,
senthil

On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 5:52 PM, Arun SAG  wrote:

> http://sagarun.googlepages.com/MicrosoftLiveedu.pdf
>
> See how far Microsoft penetrates inside poor engineering colleges in
> India.Pleases HOD,Principals,MSP's with windows mobile ;) (aka: gentle
> bribe)
>
> Regards
> Arun SAG
> --
> A computer is like air conditioning: it becomes useless when you open
> windows.
> <-Fighting 4 Freedom->
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Re: [Ilugc] Kohana - A PHP framework

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I havent used any of these frameworks.  I have spent hours in reading the
reviews from various sites.

Kohana is the fork of Code Igniter, and kohana guys started this, as the
direction of CI changed to their commercial blogging tool.

Kohana seems to have some advantage over CI..

Regards,
Senthil


On 8/6/09, aishwarya .  wrote:
>
> Kohana & Cakephp, both are PHP frameworks.
>
> They are indeed good...
>
> But what are the pros and cons of Kohana?
>
>
>
> With regards,
> M.B.Aishwarya
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Re: [Ilugc] open source final year projects

[senthilraja P]

Hi,

My suggestions below..


On 8/1/09, Shakthi Kannan  wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> ---
> | 4) I saw the sites you wanted me to go through. The obstacle there was
> that
> | it is a freaking ocean out there and I am to pick a drop of water out of
> | that. I am really confused as to which project I should choose even
> within a
> | particular sub category :(
> \--
>
> What you need to do:
>
> 1. Find F/OSS projects online that work with cryptography. Maybe they
> need something to be implemented, and you can contact the developer
> mailing list, and start working on it. Developers will be able to help
> you on mailing lists, IRC.



I have a practical example where you take it as a challenge.  Recently, i
was given the assignment of implementing single sign on in a webapplication
(PHP) running in Linux, to use the windows AD & Kerberos authentication.
There is not enough material in the net, and i tried implementing mod_ntlm
and kerberos authentication, but without success.
Due to this, there is a consideration to move the website to windows based
server, and this problem of integrating in to windows domain, is a big
obstacle to fully embracing open source technologies.
Our management, had taken a couple of decision to fully implement few
applications in sharepoint itself, for the convenience of inter-operatbility
and single signon.

I feel, taking such an assignment of developing/enhancing solutions for open
source technologies to seamlessly inter-operate with windows network, will
be a fruitful experience.  Ofcourse, as shakthi kannan said, if your motive
is to get an MS using this, you may miss a lot of things.

Regards,
Senthil
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Re: [Ilugc] open source final year projects

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On 8/7/09, Gaurav Paliwal  wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > I feel, taking such an assignment of developing/enhancing solutions for
> > open
> > source technologies to seamlessly inter-operate with windows network,
> will
> > be a fruitful experience.
> >
>
> I think shibboleth more or less do the same


I think, shibboleth is web-single signon similar to CAS. (pls correct me, if
i am wrong).  What's required in my company is to utilise the windows
integrated authentication. ie, when a user logs in his desktop within
intranet, he should be able to access all intranet sites, without prompting
for user credentials..

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Re: [Ilugc] anna univ affliated curriculum does not allow to do 5th sem proje in OpenSource, need help

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On 7/8/09, Arulalan T  wrote:

> Hi to all,
>
>
> I planned to do all the following syllabus projects using " Ruby On Rails
> ".
>
> But my Staffs are not supporting to do this semester projects in other
> Languages.



I just wanted to share, that a team of final year students from Mahendra
engg college had done their final year projects in RoR.  They created a
project in rubyforge, for this, and uploaded their files in the SVN.

http://rubyforge.org/projects/eduerp/

They too had faced the same kind of issue, and after some level of patient
explanation, their HOD accepted it.

The project was NOT a hi-fi one, but just an attempt to develop a web-based
ERP software for their college.  They could only develop a basic prototype
version, and submitted it for their final year project.

The advantage they had over others is that, they were able to explain in
detail about RoR, their project, how they did it, and other technology they
used like SVN etc, while other students who purchased could not do so.

So, considering the immense support from this ILUGC group, i feel, you
should be able to persuade your HOD to allow you.

Regards,
Senthil
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Re: [Ilugc] anna univ affliated curriculum does not allow to do 5th sem proje in OpenSource, need help

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On 8/7/09, Srinivasan Sundararajan  wrote:
>
> hi all:
> if possible, we could have a demo on select projects on the software
> freedom day, may even give prizes for the top three or so ; more
> importantly, announce that
> "FOSS projects to be done during 2009-10 even sem will get support
> from us ; ILUG-C in collaboration with NRCFOSS will evaluate the
> projects ; selected ones will be put on demo (in may/june 2010?) and
> prizes / certificates offered from nrcfoss. "
>
> While ILUG-C could focus on TN colleges, other groups could get this
> going in their respective states.
>
> Srinivasan.



Actually, my suggestion was to have a larger project in each college, and
every batch of students contribute a module or part of that big project.  It
is in that plan, that i started eduerp for mahendra college.  But i could
not get the next batch to continue working on it.

We all know that open source projects require persistence, consistency, and
long term planning.  Wordpress is being developed for the past 4 years, and
drupal for more than 6 years.  So as all other open source projects like
phpbb, open bravo etc..

The reason why indians could not come out with such projects is because of
lack of project planning, and also the fact that our academic project
syllabus is so premature.

I hope, like minded persons in ILUGC can come forward and guide the students
towards major open source projects.  Atleast, if each college could house
one major open source projects, (Whether existing, or new concept),
subsequent batches coming out of that college, can contribute a module to
it, and enrich that software in to a useful thing.  In this case, it need
not be a final year project.  The students can join right from their third
year starting, and whatever the work they do, may be considered for final
year projects.

Suggestions please!

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Senthil
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Re: [Ilugc] A doubt in php coding

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On 8/8/09, aishwarya .  wrote:
>
> In php,
> if i have to append some characters to a word,
> for eg: if i want to conver "aish" to "aishwarya" what string function is
> to
> be used?


Dont think, i am discouraging you..  This doubt is very elementary, and you
could have referred PHP resource sites, before asking in this group.  almost
all php books have a section on string operations.

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Re: [Ilugc] project

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Hi,

On 8/15/09, naga raja  wrote:
>
> can anyone suggest any kind of tamil related projects


For long, i had this in my mind..  let me know if it interests you.

For any language, vocabulary indicates its richness.  because, words
represent virtually everything, whether its object, or an abstract thought,
or an emotional feeling.  So, richness in vocabulary means, refined
representation of ideas and objects.

Now coming to the core point, English had the vast set of vocabulary, which
is used for comparative analysis and also differential learning.  For
example, the meaning for discovery and invention is different in english
context, but its represented by the same word in tamil.

There are many technical words, which doesnt have an equivalent word in
tamil.  Which means, we could not represent those technical subjects
properly here.

The need of the hour is to create new words in tamil to represent the
developments, but at the same time, acceptable to the people.

For that, we can develop a collobarative platform, so that learned tamil
scholars, (also common people) across the globe, could suggest tamil words
for english words, and discuss about that.  When more people participate in
that, we have more number of choices of words, and as it matures, we can
choose a best fitting word for each english word.

I have few suggestions.

1. The requirement document for this project can be maintained in tamil
itself.  (an initiative for software development in tamil)

2. This can be developed as a long term project with wide participation, and
such a project can become wikipedia of tamil.. (for words)

3. If it clicks, we can get funding from tamilnadu government too :)

Advanced apology, if my idea is too silly.

Regards,
Senthil
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Re: [Ilugc] ISRO Bhuvan: Not for GNU/Linux users

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On 8/15/09, Bhargav Prasanna  wrote:
>
> On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 12:44 PM, Guru Prasath wrote:
>
> I sent them feedback. And this is what i got:
>
> "Microsoft OLE DB Provider for ODBC Drivers error '80040e10'
>
> [Microsoft][SQL Native Client]COUNT field incorrect or syntax error
>
> /Bhuvan/WebClient/PresentationLayer/WebClient/feedback.asp, line 214"


I checked this site, and the first thing i noted was, it was developed in
ASP.   Its sad, that they could not even develop properly, in the user
friendly RAD model.

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Re: [Ilugc] tamil proj. reg

[senthilraja P]

Hi Nagaraj,

Just want to point out that you have top posted here.  Please take care of
this in your future mail..

On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 12:55 AM, naga raja  wrote:

> Hello Mr.Senthil
>
>The idea that you gave its really fascinating..vocabularies are very
> important in a language. I too searched the web but still there is no such
> kind of projects in tamil.. still more i m learning ,how to implement and in
> what so that it can reach all peoples
> i will study your idea throughly and will say about my(our) project
>

Thanks for accepting my idea.  there is no such project, and if implemented,
it would be path breaking not only for tamil, but for all other languages..
We will have a unique open source project in the world. :)

Please let me know, if you want to discuss further on this..  you can
contact me at 9840708857

Regards,
Senthil
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[Ilugc] Aligning final year projects to Real life scenarios.

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On Sat, Jul 25, 2009 at 2:43 PM, S.Selvam  wrote:

> On Sat, Jul 25, 2009 at 2:03 AM, kish  wrote:
>
> yes,this is selvam,studied in Jaya Engineering college,I have started to
> add
> Tamil spell checking capability to Gedit editor as a plugin and you could
> find details here,
>
>
> https://launchpad.net/~tamilspellchecker
>
> I started it as my final year project with the guidance of Amachu and
> Sivaji(Gsoc) ,  my juniors have started to extend its features(eg. need to
> refine the words ) and add similar feature to Open Office.They are doing it
> as their final year project.
>

I feel, this is a very practical project, conceptualised from real life
scenarios.

Most of the students in colleges do not know what to do in final year
projects, and they end up in some imaginary or impractical ideas in choosing
the projects.

I would suggest, that we could focus on real life scenarios, and identify
the problems existing there, which can be taken as a project by the academic
students.  We can list out such real life scenarios in our website, for
further discussion and adoption.

Such effor twould be a mutually beneficial both to the industry and to the
student community.

Regards,
Senthil
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Re: [Ilugc] Suggestion Required in Linux Implementation

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On 8/18/09, Girish Venkatachalam  wrote:
>
> On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 12:49 PM, mettur salem
> wrote:
> > 8. Mainly  If a user login ,During that time some policy and restrication
> > loaded is difficult in  linux ??   is it ???   I need to clear this one
>
> /etc/smb.conf is the place where you specify user permissions.


I think, the requirement is restriction based on LDAP users.   This is the
big problem in Linux arena.  And also this is a good project for the
research students to undertake.

Ubuntu comes with all the tools required for setting up this server.
However, there is no GUI utility for the same.

And REDHAT seems to have easy GUI configurable option.  I configured samba
within two minutes through GUI, like creating user and creating share.
And REDHAT also supports centralised authentication mechanism.

However, i havent dealt deep in to this.

One other possibility.  Almost all colleges deploy a centralised server for
user authentication, and most of them use win 2003.

If LUG member could concentrate on it, and encourage students to undertake
projects based on this, we can create an alternate CAS for win 2003.
We have all the tools available, and the only thing needed is to combine all
those, prepare a very good documentation, and then persuade few colleges to
deploy the system.

In my company, we have hosted wordpress and Confluence in linux server, but
there is a problem in implementing SSO for compatibility with windows
network.

Any idea about this?

Any one interested to take it as either mini or academic project?

Regards,
SEnthil
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Re: [Ilugc] Too many connection in MYSQL

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On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 6:11 PM, Ramkumar  wrote:

> Dear Friends,
>   I changed max_connection value into 500.Then when i login
> through MYSQL Administrator and try to see threads.That shows number of
> sleeping threads.How can i rectify this sleeping threads.Then these threads
> will affect MYSQL DataBase's performance?.Thanks in advance again...
>
>
We faced this issue for long time..  atlast found out that this occurs when
the number of connections configured in Apache is more than the number of
mysql connections..

So, check the apache configuration, and also Mysql configuration, and make
sure, that the number of mysql connections is more than the number of
max_connection in apache.

This should definitely solve the problem..

Regards,
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Re: [Ilugc] do you need a CMS?

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On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 5:31 AM, Vamsee Kanakala  wrote:

>
> We all can code with hand. What extra time we spend by 'coding by hand', it
> will be off-set by less-complicated administration overhead.
>
> There is a perfectly good way to update stuff (like committing to and
> deploying a public repo) on the alternatives too, both ilugc.org and
> ilugc.org.in - perhaps it's not 'real-time' like a CMS. But then, that
> real-time aspect also encourages spam. So I guess people can make up their
> own minds.
>
>
A lot of man hours has been put in some popular open source CMS like joomla,
drupal, wordpress etc, and also these CMS has been developed over a period
of time, eg, 2 or 3 or 4 years.
So, considering the amount of time required for those projects to mature to
this level, its obvious, that we dont have that much resource of manpower to
develop a project of that kind.

We should try to utilise existing CMS as much possible, unless we are aiming
for some different product.

Regards,
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Re: [Ilugc] Difference between the Wordpress & Drupal

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On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 5:33 PM, balachandar muruganantham <
mbchan...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 4:34 PM, Kannan  wrote:
>
> > Hi friends..
> >I have installed the wordpress & drupal in my local
> system.Both
> > are the web development tool.
> > Both have the nice interfaces & so.
> >
> > Wat is the difference between the wordpress & drupal like CMS?
> >
>
> i have written this some 3 yrs back.
> http://www.balachandar.net/blog125-2006-04-22.html
>
> at present, u can do anything with both the tools
>
>
I feel,  drupal has a relatively flexible architecture than wordpress.
Drupal has an extensive and dynamic templating system, than wordpress.

The plugin system of wordpress is different from the module feature of
drupal.  There each module has its own URL structure, whereas, in wordpress,
the plugin is always automatically included.

Performance wise, wordpress serves better.

Regards,
Senthil
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Re: [Ilugc] LAMP { PHP, PERL, PYTHON } Workshops

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On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 8:49 AM, Ravi Jaya  wrote:

> All,
>
>
I should thank ravi for immediately accepting my request.  To be curious,
how many in our group, are conducting workshops in colleges?  It will be
better if we know each other.

Regards,
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Re: [Ilugc] Foss becomes mandatory in Anna University Coimbatore

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On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 11:30 AM, Venkatraman S  wrote:

>
> 1. "For what the course has to offer", Fifth semester is too early. This
> should be in the final year.
> 2. This course would fine tune a student's programming/exploratory skills,
> which should be done after learning the rudiments of programming and the
> associated theory.
>
>
I feel, keeping this subject in 5th semester is a perfect one, because, the
student will be empowered with a full-cycle programming environment, so that
they can actually do some project in the final year.

>From my analysis, most of the students could not do their final year
project, because, they dont have the technical knowhow, or familiarity with
the development environment.

Its like  studying about "BIke mechanics" all the four years, and suddenly
asked to repair a bike or rida  bike.

However, i feel, including LAMP as a subject may give only basic
introduction.  I havent yet seen the book yet.

Unless we create a strong open source movement, that spearheads some really
serious open source products, student may not actually learn much.

We need the passion of people like "Shivaji" in our group, who had the
interest and vision to make in to GSoC.

Why dont we institutionalise such open source product development.

Still i could find that most of our developers, are familiar only with
coding, but NOT with architecture and design of the application.  When i
first started working in wordpress, the first thing, i tried to understand
was the architecture of the application, that helped me a lot later.

Just my few thoughts.

Regards,
Senthil
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Re: [Ilugc] FOSS Lab Setup in Vellalar College of Engineering and Technology, Thindal, Erode District

[senthilraja P]

>
>
> Today, myself and Mr. Balamurugan setup a 25 seat FOSS lab for Vellalar
> College of Engineering and Technology, Thindal, Erode District, (
> http://www.vellalar.com/Engg/index.htm) for the department of MCA using
> Fedora-13.
>
> For any feedback, pl. contact Prof. L.M.Palanivelu / HOD-IT regarding the
> FOSS Lab implementation.
>
>
First of all, i welcome this initiative of setting up exclusive foss lab.  I
have few thoughts to share here..

   - Setting up a foss lab should NOT be an end in itself.  Is there any
   result oriented projects planned?
   - FOSS should NOT be confined within a lab.  Rather, we should explore
   how we can use foss applications for day to day use of the college life.
   eg:  intranet mail servers, intranet wiki, intranet forums, intranet blogs,
   a knowledge repository,,   Please excuse me, if these are already done in
   your college.  (In my observation most colleges dont even have an intranet
   mail server).
   - There should institutional mechanism, where the department consistently
   works on a FOSS project, irrespective of students studying.  ie, students
   should learn and contribute for the project, and when before he gets passed
   out, he has to train the incoming students..  by this way, we can generate
   continous pool of resources to work on any FOSS related projects.
   - There are many issues where Linux based machines could not be
   integrated to a windows network. (this is one of the reason why windows
   servers are preferred over linux)..  Colleges can work on these issues with
   colloboration from corporates.

These are just my thoughts..  although there are so much awareness created
in indian colleges, there is no visible FOSS product coming out, bcoz, we
lack product development skills.  Knowing a technology is different from
developing a product.   Unless we aspire to develop products (either for
research purpose, or for requirements of our society), we could not have the
required leap in FOSS movement in india.

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Re: [Ilugc] FOSS Lab Setup in Dr. N.G.P. Institute of Technology, Coimbatore district

[senthilraja P]

On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 2:35 PM, Baskar Selvaraj  wrote:

> Hi,
>
>
> We have got excellent feedback from almost all the engg. colleges, where we
> have setup foss labs and also we all can ensure that, in the coming years
> GNU/Linux will be the primary operating system of choice in engg. colleges
> here.
>
>
What is the authentication system used?  Is it local user authentication, or
any type of network authentication enabled in such FOSS labs..

One more point..  this ILUGC has so many industry professionals..  is there
any survey on how many of them work on open source projects, or how many
started an open source project?  The reason i am asking is that when we
ourselves could not leap to the next level, how can we blame the students
and staffs?



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Re: [Ilugc] Mentoring students for Projects

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On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 10:37 PM, Vamsee Kanakala wrote:

> On Tuesday 30 November 2010 09:16 PM, Prawin K wrote:
>
>> So, I suggest the mentors, to start a blog for themself (for mentorship),
>> to
>> list out the link urls, useful books and other resources in internet about
>> the technology, which help the students to self start. And after having
>> some
>> basic knowledge, the students can do small codings and then personally
>> contact the mentors.
>>
>
> Dude, I don't mean to sound nasty, but let's get this straight, you mean
> you're not even willing to do something as simple as "dear classmates, what
> are you interested in, and what do you need?" and post it online? So we have
> to guess what you might need to get started with and put it all up? Who's
> doing the asking here, exactly?
>
> How exactly do we know how much you can find online through simple
> googling, and where exactly do we have to step in to help you? Suppose, I
> know Ruby/Rails. So how do I know if people are even interested in knowing
> more? And which part of it?
>
> Sorry for getting ranty, but this attitude is what pisses me off. I've been
> a student before, when there aren't even (local) forums like these to ask
> and learn. You're saying you can't even edit a wiki and *ask what you need*
> in a structured way. So what is it that you couldn't find info about? Ask it
> now, and you'll see how you'll get the answers. Go ahead. And FYI, something
> woozy like "whole student community will be grateful to you" is nonsense. I
> would be happier if I know just one good student benefited in a measurable
> way from my time spent. If you want help, do your homework, and then come to
> us.
>
>
The solution is to create a working environment within the college
itself...  an intranet webserver running within the computer lab..  a mail
server .. a POP3 server..   a local wiki, which collates knowledge from
students..  an intranet forum..  all these at one stage connected to wiki..

So if such a working environment is created within college, students should
have to learn to use these..

Secondly, students should be encouraged to try new applications/ new
initatives for the college use..

Colleges have 8 Mbps bandwidth..  and if properly used, students can publish
their own website within their lab servers..

We have to train students to think practically..  The benchmark for any
initiative/application is how far it is well received among the users..

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Re: [Ilugc] Alternate GIMP classes instead of PhotoShop

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On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 4:46 PM, Natarajan V  wrote:

> On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 3:45 PM, Arun Venkataswamy 
> wrote:
> > On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 2:20 PM, Swapnil 
> wrote:
> >> On 01/30/2011 03:37 AM, Girish Venkatachalam wrote:
> >> > Even by a long mile I don't think gimp will match Photoshop.
> >> What made you think so? What's in PS that's not in GIMP? We use GIMP for
> >> all of our graphics. Please state the reasons.
> >
> > IMHO the difference between GIMP and Photoshop is just  the difference
> > between Linux and Windows. Geeks will use GIMP and an non geek graphics
>
>
> I am a Linux User from the days of RedHat 6.0, having nothing but
> Linux on my PC and Laptop. I am also an amateur photographer, heading
> my company's Photography Club. Though not a pro, I do some amount of
> photo editing for in-house online publications and corporate blogs.
>
> With this premise: The following are my observations:
> "The Gimp" is great. I have been able to script it and customize it
> for my use. I have been using it for about 7 years now. Its good
> enough for most of the work that people use PS for.
>
> But, a little searching on the net would tell you what Gimp lacks from
> a PRO point of view.
>
> 1. 32 bit processing is just about in it's infancy in Gimp. The GEGL
> library is still not complete.
> 2. because of (1) above, the processing done by Gimp are not loss-less.
> 3. Support for CMYK has just now been introduced. - I remember a
> conversation in iLUGc, regarding printing something from Gimp. The
> professional printers wanted something in CMYK, which wasn't available
> in Gimp then.
> 4. Adjustment layers - is still not found in The Gimp as yet. - I
> missed this feature a lot, when I had to isolate a child's photo from
> the background, particularly around his hair.
>
> I repeat, if you are not a PRO, you wouldn't need any of the above. If
> you are using it for some, less serious stuff or initial learnings,
> its enough.
>
> There are times, (just search in the internet, you will find), where
> people suggest that you should use Krita (from erstwhile K-Office),
> instead of Gimp for CMYK and lossless processing. I still love the
> Gimp, but it has a long way to go before it becomes a serious
> competitor to PS. Its way ahead.
>
> I am eagerly waiting for Gimp 3.0, which promises to have most of
>
>


Pretty sensible reply..   I dont know why such aversion to photoshop?  Are
we becoming intolerant?

We should learn photoshop and excel in it.  Only then we will understand the
extensive features in it and then try to bring GIMP on par with it.
Secondly, how many in india actually contribute to GIMP?  We can count..  We
are mostly consumers of open source product, and we dont have any control
over its feature set.  So when people in the industry wants quick turn
around, they always seek for the product that meets their requirement.

The pragmatic way of dealing with such situation is that we would learn
photoshop, and if we are committed towards GIMP, we sould strive to bring
those Photoshop features in to GIMP..

Opposing people to learn Photoshop, is like preventing our wife/girl friend
from talking to other boys.. LOL... :)

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Re: [Ilugc] FOSS - for making MONEY

[senthilraja P]

On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 8:10 PM, Chandrashekar Babu
wrote:

> Hi,
>
>  > Can someone give a few *examples* of *how FOSS could be used
>  > to earn a living* - in addition to setting up computer labs &
>  > developing applications using FOSS.
>
> FOSS Training, Consulting and Deployment are good
> money-spinners to start off with - in my opinion. I've
> been earning and making a living out of them for the last
> 8 years (after I quit my last job sometime in 2002).
>


Excellent.. i too heard from my friend that many take up freelancing in just
PHP itself and earning more than what they do in Office..


> Unless you are an idealist saint like RMS, you'll need money,
> and to earn money - you need a decent job first, and to
> get a decent job, you need a nice "IT" graduation tag to
> begin with - this has been the easiest mantra since the
> mid '90s.
>


Is IT graduation really necessary to take up Open Source Jobs?


Today, so many Engineering Graduates are passing out of college, left in the
dark, without knowing what to do.   We need to guide them about these
freelancing options, and to update their required skillset.  I dont know if
such self-enterpreneurship guidance is given in FOSS workshops conducted in
colleges.  If NOT, we should include that, which will give confidence to the
students..

Any thoughts?


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Re: [Ilugc] Clarification - Internet Using Mobile Phone

[senthilraja P]

I need a clarification over my doubt:

>
> I am accessing Internet Via Nokia Pc suite now in windows.
>
> Can this is possible in Linux?
> How to access the same in Linux.
>
> --thanksin advance.
>
>
Internet connection using mobile is a cakewalk in Ubuntu.  Just connect your
mobile through a data cable, create a new broadband connection and then
select appropriate provider (BSNL, airtel, which are available
pre-configured).  After completion, ubuntu will automatically connect to the
internet.

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Re: [Ilugc] Gui for python

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On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 11:11 PM, Thoufi Tiger  wrote:

> Hi
> Require information for creating gui applications using python ...
>
> I came across TkInter and wxPython and confused which is preferred for
> working
> best in linux..
>
> Suggest me anyone or any best gui for linux..and help me with a link for
> how to
> install..
>
>
wxpython is best, as it contains numerous examples and demo applications to
start with..  i think google earth is developed in wxPython.. Can some one
pls confirm this?

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Re: [Ilugc] FOSS - for making MONEY

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On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 10:11 AM, satyaakam goswami wrote:

> >
> > Is IT graduation really necessary to take up Open Source Jobs?
> >
>
> No
>

Then why should NOT we target the school students? I have been seeing many
people after completing +2, going for degree because they dont know anything
else..  also those who complete B.Sc, pursue MCA just because they dont get
any job or dont know what to do..

This has to be tacked right from schooling..  again, +1 & +2 has been a jail
for most students, with no time for learning..




>
> > Any thoughts?
> >
>
> students lack attitude for learning and do not have patience the ones who
> have i have seen benefit in long run i single them out before i start
> working with them , since my time and resources are limited too .
>
>
Is it possible to institutionalise this initiative?

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Re: [Ilugc] FOSS - for making MONEY

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>
>
> The big question is who are the 'WE' you are mentioning? And how many
> physical volunteers we have?. We get few opportunites to do sessions, but
> even for that ask Shrini how he struggles to get volunteers.
>
>
By WE, i meant those who want to do something..  before we look for
volunteers, i find that we dont have any strategic plan or vision on what we
are going to do..  In my humble opinion, conducting one day workshops, would
only give a very basic level of introduction to the students..  but if they
are to develop their skill set, we should have a comprehensive plan..

We need not volunteer for everything.. but if we could plan things ahead, we
can establish a link b/w students and mentors where we can use remote tools
to guide them from where we are..

Again, its my theoritical proposition, and it may or may not work out..  at
my personal capacity, i have handled around 5 students so far in this
method..

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Re: [Ilugc] FOSS - for making MONEY

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>
>
> This has to be tacked right from schooling..  again, +1 & +2 has been a
> jail
> > for most students, with no time for learning..
> >
>
> I like this idea. If you ask students like me, the common response would be
> "if only, we had been exposed to this domain a little earlier".
>
> +1 and +2 are a jail for students because in this period the students
> overburden themselves with JEE and PMT preparations. Although only a few of
> them take the track they choose. Most do not make it upto the institution
> of
> their dream and most of those who reach there find it not to be a place for
> them. eg We have IITians becoming writers today and we have AMITIANS
> bitching about their college.
>
> What attracts students and their parents towards IIT and PMT are high
> paying
> jobs in America. If there is a way to lead a financially sound life then
> why
> not introduce it before the students end up wasting 6 years of their life
> (2
> years in school 4 years in B.Tech) ?
>
>
+1..  i agree fully..

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Re: [Ilugc] FOSS - for making MONEY

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On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 4:49 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:

> On Wed, 2011-04-06 at 16:40 +0530, senthilraja P wrote:
> > Again, its my theoritical proposition, and it may or may not work
> > out..  at
> > my personal capacity, i have handled around 5 students so far in this
> > method..
> >
> >
>
> have you documented this anywhere?
>

NOT Yet.. i did it as a personal initiative..  and i am sharing it with
here..
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Re: [Ilugc] Accounting open source softwares

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On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 6:55 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves
wrote:

> On Tue, 2011-04-12 at 19:08 +0530, JITHIN K wrote:
> > On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 1:52 PM, vivek r  wrote:
> >
> > > On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 1:36 PM, asish gaur 
> wrote:
> > >
> > > > What are the accounting opensource softwares available for small
> > > business?
> > > >
> > > > Asish Gaur
> > > > ___
> > > > ILUGC Mailing List:
> > > > http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
> > > >
> > >
> > > You can check it from www.osalt.com which gives a opensource
> alternatives
> > > for any category you need
> > >
> > > --
>
> http://db.glug-bom.org/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List_Etiquette#Do_not_top_post
> --
>


Kenneth..  its nice that you enforce mailing guidelines to members.. but
could you reply to the concerned person instead of mailing to the group?

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[Ilugc] Why NOT a discussion forum site for ILUGC?

[senthilraja P]

Hi,

It just clicked me spontaneously.  Why not we have a separate discussion
forum site for ILUGC, and push all technical and lengthy discussions there?


Whenever a new topic is created in the forum, the members can post it here
for announcement, and then any further discussion can be made in the forum.

I dont want to prescribe any particular software, but obviously SMF and
phpbb are the popular PHP based ones.  (We can consider forums written in
other languages too, like ruby or python).  We can include open id feature
too for easy login.

If we need any new improvements on this discussion forum, we can categorize
it as "New Project" to be given to eligible engineering students as
mini-project and guide them to complete.

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Re: [Ilugc] Why NOT a discussion forum site for ILUGC?

[senthilraja P]

> But, asking all the existing 2000 users to register in another forum
> is too difficult.

The discussion forum site i proposed is not for replacing ILUGC..
rather, i proposed it as a complementary one..

We need not ask all 2000 users to register there..  but group of
people who wanted to discuss more upon a particular topic, can shift
to the discussion forum and discuss, while rest of the members can
subscribe to that particular topic if interested..

>
> There are many forums available like linuxquestions.org, ubuntuforums.org
> etc
> We dont need a separate forum for ilugc. We can use any of the forums.
>
> If you have any issues in the mailing list, we can discuss them and
> fix them for sure.


The only issue i have here is flooding of inbox.. thanx to gmail mail
thread grouping, i could manage it..   I am running another yahoo
group where some times hot debate will happen b/w few set of users,
which will flood all other members who may not be interested..

I took a small survey and found that whenever there are large mails
coming, it is because of intense debate b/w few members..  So i
thought of starting a discussion forum for the yahoo group, and
shifted such discussions there..  Members will initiate a thread in
the forum, and announce the same in the group..  And periodical
updates of discussion happening on the particular topic would be
mailed to the group.  This solved the mail flooding problem, while at
the same time, keep all the members updated of the main discussion..

I thought the same can be replicated here..

With advent of openid, the members need not be required to remember
the password..  I am in the process of integrating openid (yahoo &
gmail) in my forum site..

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Re: [Ilugc] Fwd: [discuss] Oracle donates OpenOffice.org to the Apache Foundation

[senthilraja P]

> 
> REDWOOD SHORES, CA--(Marketwire - Jun 1, 2011) - "With today's
> proposal to contribute the OpenOffice.org code to The Apache Software
> Foundation's Incubator, Oracle continues to demonstrate its commitment
> to the developer and open source communities. Donating OpenOffice.org
> to Apache gives this popular consumer software a mature, open, and
> well established infrastructure to continue well into the future. The
> Apache Software Foundation's model makes it possible for commercial
> and individual volunteer contributors to collaborate on open source
> product development." -- Luke Kowalski, vice president, Oracle
> Corporate Architecture Group.
>


Oracle has lost its reputation long back..  i see it as an attempt to wash
off the burden of open office, by oracle..

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Re: [Ilugc] need a review on our performance

[senthilraja P]

2011/5/31 Thyagarajan தியாகராஜன் 

> Dear Luggies,
>
> Our activities have been dried up, It appears to me that ilugc is on the
> way
> to find a place in the list of endangered species.
> To raise the level of our performance, i sincerely feel the need to
> retrospect the "office boy" role and that the same be given to a new
> person.
>

It seems some of your expectation on ILUG-C has not been met..

I have been member of this group for past 4 years, and in my observation,
the ILUG-C (NOT the mailing list, but the community) has been more
productive now, due to initiatives of some members..  Baskar has setup FOSS
lab in so many colleges..  Today, we are seeing some organised effort in
providing mentorship to college students..  Regular meeting of ILUG-C..

Even, my expectation of this group is also NOT met.. that doesnt mean, ILUGC
is defunct..  it is very well proactive, and going in right direction..

what we need  is a management team, to give a vision and direction..

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Re: [Ilugc] Request for a Team to guide college students for open source projects

[senthilraja P]

On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 10:15 AM, Raman.P  wrote:

> I wish all the people thinking of helping consider few things - which are
> sad reality of present education.
>
> 1.Out of 180 students atleast 170 will require spoon-feeding, hand-holding
> etc. There is no substitute to regular class-room+lab type of teaching for
> them.
>

Before that, we should have an evaluation of the students..   there is NO
necessity that we should teach every student in that college..  we should
not commit like that .. We need to select students based on evaluation..



> 2.Self learning is very minimal
>

Yes.. for most of the students..  reason:  lack of reading habits..

based on my experience in past 3 years, the attitude of most of the students
is pathetic..  many students want a job on a gold platter..  and many dont
know what they want or what they are capable..  there no sincerity on their
part, and they just wanted to enjoy their college life..

So what we need initially is an orientation program, explaining them the
ground realities..


> 3.College Management expects us to be physically present.
>

This is another aspect we have to consider carefully..
   * we have to ascertain the motive and objective of the college
management..  we should not be utilised for their selfish objectives.
   * ILUGC should not be dictated by college terms..  rather, we have to set
terms for college to follow us.. only then we can maintain the standard..
   * We need to make clear, that we are NOT their servant..  bcoz, anything
coming free is not respected in most cases..



> 4.First semester will require extensive teaching and hence physical
> presence will be required. We can form a team to teach different
> languages/tools.
>

This will amount to spoon feeding..  we can give basic introduction, and the
student should learn on their own..  Class room teaching will never impart
the required knowledge..


> 5.During actual projects personal contacts/interaction can be minimal.
>
6.Teaching over irc,email, forum etc., are ruled out. At the maximum they
> can be used for clearing doubts
>
>
+1


> What are the ways ILUGC members can contribute?
> 1.If you can spare time (3.30 to 5.30) take class even if it is for 1 or 2
> days please do. We will workout a timetable and post it.
> 2.Create project ideas in the wiki page. Also clearly state basic
> requirements. Since it is MCA projects need not be IEEE.
> 3.During project stage the hours will be flexible and probably we can ask
> students to meet the mentors at a place convenient to the mentor. So
> mentoring the project, in my opinion many can volunteer.
>
>
  we need to first analyse our resource availability, the open source
projects we have at hand, how many persons needed for that, time duration,
and the required skill sets..   once we take stock of our capabilities, we
can tell the college students that we can take only this number of students
for project work and the students would be selected based on evalutation and
personal interview, and there should be a binding on the part of student to
complete the tasks assigned..

Say for example, there are 180 students, we will select only 25-50 students,
and focus on them..  if the college wants to teach to all students, they can
utilise these core students for that..   This approach will share the burden
among students, and relieve our ILUGC member to focus on our core
objective..  to guide, rather than to teach..

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Re: [Ilugc] need a review on our performance

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On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 10:46 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves
wrote:

> On Thu, 2011-06-02 at 10:18 +0530, senthilraja P wrote:
> > what we need  is a management team, to give a vision and direction..
>
> a management team in a LUG??? are you joking?
>

NOT the management team like that in corporates..  by management, i mean a
co-ordination team, with certain roles and responsibilities..

Is there any wrong in having that..  please excuse me, if already such team
exists formally..

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[Ilugc] OpenID for phpBB forum - my accomplishment

[senthilraja P]

Hi,

I tried integrating open id with a phpbb forum i set for a personal
project.  I initially tried phpBB openid module from zenor soft.
http://www.zenorsoft.com/community/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=841

for some reasons it did not work for me.. so i modified it, and simplified
it so that there is no MOD installing required and the usability is simple
as described below.

1. The user has to first register in the forum with either yahoo or gmail
id.
2. After his account is activated, he can click on the yahoo or google icon
which i display in the home page or login page.
3. he will be taken to yahoo or google authentication page, and once he
approves his authentication there, he will be redirected back to the forum
page.
4. If he is successfully authenticated, his email would be obtained from AX
data returned by yahoo or google.
5. and in my code, i will check if the email is already registered.  If so,
he will automatically signed in.
6. If the email is not already registered, appropriate error message
displayed.

I am not sure of any security flaws in the above method.  But i implemented
it in my forum, and the feedback from the users has been positive..

I can share the code to any one who wanted to implement in their own forum.


NOTE:  I used janrain library for the same.  it is not a full-fledged module
for phpbb.

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Re: [Ilugc] need a review on our performance

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>
> such a team exists - and like in all successful LUGs it is not formal.
> It consists of the people who take initiative and do things. Of course
> the composition of this group keeps changing. People become active, then
> go quiet, others move away, still others focus on just one task. To try
> to formalise this is about as productive as harnessing cats to a cart
> and expect them to pull it.
>
>
Individual initiatives is different from a team to co-ordinate the group..
individuals take initiatives, do the ground work, and then retire..

but what i am saying is a co-ordination team, which just co-ordinates
different such individual teams towards a larger project..  this
co-ordination team need not be static or need not do any ground work..  they
just oversee and co-ordinate..  for eg, the student guide program is a
relatively large one, that needs sustainable effort..  definitely there
needs a team to co-ordinate, where even if individual members are unable to
contribute, replacement is made for the project to go on..
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Re: [Ilugc] need a review on our performance

[senthilraja P]

On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 7:01 PM, Rajagopal Swaminathan <
raju.rajs...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Greetings,
>
> On 6/2/11, senthilraja P  wrote:
> >>
> > but what i am saying is a co-ordination team, which just co-ordinates
> > different such individual teams towards a larger project..  this
> > co-ordination team need not be static or need not do any ground work..
>  they
> > just oversee and co-ordinate..
>
> In other word (corporatespeak), "Ownership" pf a project.
>

Need not be ownership of a project..  In many projects, the skill set would
be required from multiple streams..  for eg, a web project using PHP may
require skill sets of a designer, and that of a tester.  A project owner
will take responsibility of setting up Git, issue tracker and other
modalaties and he will lead the developers..  and a co-ordination team for
this ILUGC will just co-ordinate different set of people/projects, so that
they share resources, ideas or skillsets..

Co-ordinators need not go for voluntary services, or start new projects..

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Re: [Ilugc] Fwd: [ilugb] Looking for experts to help migrate photography studios to GIMP

[senthilraja P]

On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 1:26 PM, Shrinivasan T wrote:

> Do we have any resource in gimp for training in banglore?
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: "VIGNESH PRABHU" 
> Date: 5 Oct 2011 13:18
> Subject: [ilugb] Looking for experts to help migrate photography studios to
> GIMP
> To: "Free Software Users Group - Bangalore"  >,
> , "Ubuntu India Local Community" <
> ubuntu...@lists.ubuntu.com>
>
> Hi friends,
>
> Many of you must have heard about the recent raids by software firms on
> photography studios in Mandya and Mysore districts. Here is a news article
> on the same,
>
> http://www.deccanherald.com/content/190270/beware-using-softwares-licence.html
> .
>
> FSMK, Free Software Movement Karnataka has recently released a press note
> appealing to small scale vendors to try out FOSS alternatives,
> http://www.fsmk.org/node/86
>
> Photography studios associations have contacted us and requested us to
> train
> them on FOSS alternatives. Hence we are looking for GIMP experts who have
> worked extensively on photo editing to talk to few representatives of these
> associations and understand their requirements. If their requirements are
> fulfilled by GIMP, then we can plan for a large scale workshop and help
> them
> migrate.
> So please contact us if you can help us in understanding their requirements
> and migrating them.
>
> If this is not done immediately, then they will be forced to come to some
> agreement with software firms and have to shell out chunk of their profit
> to
> pay for the license fees.
>


I would like to know if there is any progress on this?
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Re: [Ilugc] will it work

[senthilraja P]

On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 11:35 AM, sivakumar bharadhwaj
wrote:

> Dear All,
>
> I have a friend in chennai - who is now doing 'serials' for Jaya Plus
> & Raj TV (generally 'pattimandrams' and other simple ones).
>
> I had discussed with him - about 6 months back, about doing a 20 to 30
> minutes 'serial' on FOSS & FOSS related ones. since he was busy and i
> have come back to mumbai - did not proceed much.
>
> After meeting people in SFD 2011 - at IIT Powai, Also, since now many
> students are going to get 'Laptops' from TN govt, a new audience (if
> we can call them) may be enticed to see (and get benefitted) a series
> of FOSS related things in TVs.
>
> Though this may take a lot of time to even start (finding 'slots' with
> TV, finding 'sponsors', finding 'topics', getting approved, finding
> 'Hosts', etc), my only question is 'WILL IT WORK (not only
> commercially but also 'in the best interest of all').
>
>

This will definitely work, depending on how the program is designed.  My
suggestion would be NOT to go deep in to technological aspects, but to
provide a story line on FOSS, its history, and comparison of day to day
softwares in proprietary & open source.   Since many people would be in some
way using computers, we have to start from common people's mindset.  Like
how licensing costs affect business, and why pirated software may lead to
legal issues etc..

We can best use these TV time slots to create a perspective, opinion, and
subtle understanding of open source and FOSS among common masses.

If such TV program materialises, it will be a boost to open source
technologies.

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Re: [Ilugc] FOSS Workshop in Gnanamani Group of Institutions, Namakkal Dt.

[senthilraja P]

I hope, those who criticised baskar should answer now..   even in GNU
license, it is given that the software is free, but we can charge for
training and other services..  Baskar has been regularly posting his FOSS
seminar events here for past few years.   His efforts being seen as an
example, and guidelines on how we can do.

IF any one want to setup labs, and take seminars on FOSS in engineering
colleges, i think, baskar had offered all his materials.. (pls correct me
if i am wrong)..

SO dont discourage such persons by this negative comments..

In my view, even if we suppose, baskar is posting it for
self-advertisement, what is the wrong in it?

Regards,
Senthil

On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 6:26 PM, Baskar Selvaraj wrote:

>  Instead of this you can share about the student's interest on
> > FOSS. Its my kind request. You can post your self advertisement in your
> own
> > blog.
>
> Most of the FOSS programs which I have been conducting in TN, I have
> been doing it for free at my own expenses and only few colleges pay my
> expenses.
>
> And in the past few programs I have been conducting regular quiz
> contest based on the Revolution OS movie and distributed more than 50
> copies of LFY magazine alongwith DVD at my own cost
>
> In all my programs i distribute atleast 10 copies of the magazine and
> several distro CD/DVDs to the students to learn and try FOSS and I
> have distributed 20 copies of the magazine and more than 20 DVDs for
> the above 2 colleges and I never mention these things in any of my
> post (and still have more than 450 copies to distribute for students
> worth more than 45K).
>
> If you want to know the students interest, then you have to be with me
> atleast a day and you can understand very well what college students
> think about FOSS.
>
> I can only accept the above statement when any of the colleges in TN
> says, I have been doing it for self advertisement.
>
> If you feel my posting as a self advertisement, you could better
> filter my emails easily.
>
> With regards
>
> S. Baskar
> CEO/LinuXpert Systems
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