Re: [MBZ] Hendrik, raving mad

2009-01-15 Thread Jeff Zedic
Go Hendrik go! I agree with many things but I also realise that the
view from elsewhere is much different than the view form North
America.

 Having lived there and elsewhere I see things differently than some.

Viva OZ! hehe

Zedic (just stirring)

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Re: [MBZ] TRAILER block heater for Chris

2009-01-15 Thread Fmiser
It seems than at Wed, 14 Jan 2009 23:07:35 -0500, Allan wrote:

 Christopher McCann xtofer1...@yahoo.com writes:
 
  OK guys, I've revised my criteria. No home made, must have
  title (usually the home made ones are the ones w/o title),
  must have ramps and be very beefy...and no damage (I've seen
  several damaged trailers cheap...don't want a trailer that
  swerves all over).
 
 I'd suggest checking with a local trailer repair place.  They
 probably have or know of local used ones for sale.

I bought mine from a local fabricator. Stillwater Supply, MO I-44
exit 230. Since they build them there, I was able to customize
it. Extra stake pockets, longer tongue, brakes on both axles,
sealed big truck type lights, etc. I probably have close to
$4,000 in the system, with trailer, weight distrib hitch (HIGHLY
recommended), stake sides, and so on.  Plan on keeping it a
while. 

--Philip

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Re: [MBZ] OT Catheyesque furnace repair

2009-01-15 Thread Kevin Kraly
I neglected to mention that I used another bolt and nut, and I used the old 
nut as the locknut since it threaded on.  To describe the threads, they 
looked like normal machine threads, but there was an angled groove twisting 
up the bolt near the end.  The old bolt sheered off right at the isolator. 
There must be a lot of vibration in there, and I'm hoping it was because it 
came loose after 15 years.


Kevin in Hillsboro, OR
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Catheyesque instrument repair

2009-01-15 Thread Kevin Kraly
I hope that your flute repair works.  Is the Gemeinhardt the Mercedes of 
flutes?


Keep us posted.

Kevin in Hillsboro, OR
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Re: [MBZ] OT Prepare to be Amazed and Astounded

2009-01-15 Thread Archer

Recently several labs have achieved the lowest possible temperature.
IIRC even light or photons came to rest.  Did they have rest mass
under those conditions?
..
Web discussion:
What is the mass of a photon?
This question falls into two parts:
Does the photon have mass?  After all, it has energy and energy is 
equivalent to mass.
Photons are traditionally said to be massless.  This is a figure of speech 
that physicists use to describe something about how a photon's particle-like 
properties are described by the language of special relativity.
The logic can be constructed in many ways, and the following is one such. 
Take an isolated system (called a particle) and accelerate it to some 
velocity v (a vector).  Newton defined the momentum p of this particle 
(also a vector), such that p behaves in a simple way when the particle is 
accelerated, or when it's involved in a collision.  For this simple 
behaviour to hold, it turns out that p must be proportional to v.  The 
proportionality constant is called the particle's mass m, so that p = mv.
In special relativity, it turns out that we are still able to define a 
particle's momentum p such that it behaves in well-defined ways that are an 
extension of the newtonian case.  Although p and v still point in the same 
direction, it turns out that they are no longer proportional; the best we 
can do is relate them via the particle's relativistic mass...snip

http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physics/ParticleAndNuclear/photon_mass.html
Gerry

From: tyler
Photons have energy and momentum, but they don't have the sort of rest
mass that makes a non-moving object experience gravity. The concept of
mass doesn't really apply to objects that cannot be at rest. Photons are
not tiny classical mechanical particles traveling quickly, but have
totally different behavior. Depending on the context, it's generally
more useful to think of them as a discrete quanta of energy, rather than
as a particle like an electron.

I'm not sure about the black cloth experiment you're talking about,
perhaps someone else on here knows about it? Because mass and energy and
fundamentally equivalent, it is possible for the energy in a photon to
increase the mass of an object when absorbed, without the photon itself
having mass.

Tyler

Bill R wrote:

No argument here, but light does seem to have weight.  The study was done
many years ago [I was in HS when I heard about it] using a black cloth
subjected to intense light in a controlled environment, and the cloth 
gained

a [very small] amount of weight during the process.  It was part of our
class on light in HS physics - would have been about 1965. That is my only
reference to it, so, once more, scientific types needed ... is this true?
BillR 

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Re: [MBZ] OT: ISP doesn't support Linux

2009-01-15 Thread Archer

On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 1:41 PM, Archer arche...@embarqmail.com wrote:

Thanks.  I'm slowly beginning to get a handle on all the different type of
Macs.  Might just go the refurb route since they aren't a whole lot more
expensive than plain used.  Will probably order first of next month.

Question:  From what I understand Leopard is the latest OS.  Should I
order that as well or will the installed OS be satisfactory for what I 
want

to do?
Gerry


Actually, and I don't think it has been mentioned yet, but if the
refurb/used Intel you buy does *not* already come with a Leopard install
DVD, wait about 3-6 months. OS X 10.6 (Snow Leopard) will be out soon.

The rumor is that 10.6 will be 10.5 (Leopard) with all Power PC (G3, G4, G5)
code removed to fully optimize it for the Intel processor. Since you are
unfamiliar with Macs, the main drive for that rumor is the fact that 10.6 is
still a Leopard system. All OS X systems have been a big cat, but a
different big cat with each major revision. Puma, Cheetah, Panther, Tiger
and Leopard. So the fact that it is a Snow Leopard instead of Lion or
something is driving the Mac fanbase to believe that it is not as major a
revision as any of the others.

Any of the Intel Macs will be a great machine for you, and, if you simply
can not come to love the Mac OS, the Intel Macs will also run Linux and
Windows.
EdB
---
Thanks, Ed.  Do the refurb machines come with any version of OS-X?
Are Mac OS's restricted for use on one machine like MS OS's are?
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Re: [MBZ] Physics [was: Re: OT Prepare to be Amazed and Astounded]

2009-01-15 Thread John Robbins

Mitch Haley wrote:

Probably somebody with a BS in fundamental sciences can do just about
anything in grad school if he decides what he really wants.


I work with a guy who just graduated with a masters in electrical 
engineering and has a physics undergrad.


John


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Catheyesque instrument repair

2009-01-15 Thread Luther

OUCH, that's an expensive butt!

Jim Cathey wrote:

Interior diameter of a crimped (sat-upon?) Gemeinhardt
M2 flute: 19mm.  Exterior diameter of a cross-drilled
pointed steel ground stake used for pouring concrete
slabs: 19mm.  Coincidence?  I don't think so.  But we'll
see...

-- Jim

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'85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x59,xxx mi) BioBeast
'82 300CD (183 kmi)
'82 300D  (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold
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[MBZ] weather

2009-01-15 Thread Luther
It's 19F and snowing here.  It's rare that we actually get moisture when 
one of those blasted Arctic Cold Fronts moves through  



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Re: [MBZ] OT Catheyesque furnace repair

2009-01-15 Thread Allan Streib
Kevin Kraly kr...@comcast.net writes:

 I neglected to mention that I used another bolt and nut, and I used
 the old nut as the locknut since it threaded on.  To describe the
 threads, they looked like normal machine threads, but there was an
 angled groove twisting up the bolt near the end.

Sort of sounds like a self-tapping bolt, very common on furnaces and
other sheet metal assemblies.

Allan
-- 
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Re: [MBZ] TRAILER block heater for Chris

2009-01-15 Thread Curt Raymond
Has it got springs? That'd be a wild ride if it didn't...

Doesn't mention anything about brakes either. I'd bet they're mobile home 
axles...

-Curt

Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 20:46:33 -0600
From: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net
Subject: Re: [MBZ] TRAILER  block heater for Chris
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Message-ID: 496ea389.3020...@striplin.net
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

thats a nasty looking trailer, looks very flimsy, probably  homemade.

Christopher McCann wrote:
 OH MY:
 
 http://stlouis.craigslist.org/grd/993227506.html
 
 I think that is a steal...am I missing anything?
 
 Chris

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  89 300E, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2,
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Re: [MBZ] More good news

2009-01-15 Thread Mitch Haley

Rich Thomas wrote:


 This will be the end of our old cars, whether for hobbies or cheap
 solid transportation.  All hail the good ideas from DC!



Only the ones rated less than 18mpg -- is that city or composite?
At any rate, it will send pickups and passenger trucks to the crusher in record 
numbers if implemented. Hate to say it, but 560 SECs will be on the list too.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] OT Catheyesque furnace repair

2009-01-15 Thread Mitch Haley

Allan Streib wrote:


Sort of sounds like a self-tapping bolt, very common on furnaces and
other sheet metal assemblies.


With a nut on it?

Mitch.


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Re: [MBZ] overdoing

2009-01-15 Thread Curt Raymond
Really? Is that an EP oil? I don't think so but memory could be failing.

I *think* (again with the failing memory) the last time I bought M1 (I can't 
even remember when that was, whoops, should check the last time I changed the 
190D) it was around $6.50 a qt with EP oil at ~$7.

-Curt

Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 22:32:29 EST
From: relng...@aol.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] overdoing
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
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 ..How 'bout some Mobil 1 instead?? ;))..
 
Well...

I have been on the hunt for a coupla cases of 0W40 for less than $7.50 per 
quart but I think it's few-tile.

RLE
 
 


  
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Re: [MBZ] OT: ISP doesn't support Linux

2009-01-15 Thread Curt Raymond
Isn't it Puma/Cheetah? Wasn't Puma the beta and Cheetah 10.1?
10.2 = Jaguar, the first usable OS X
10.3 = Panther, 10.2 but faster
10.4 = Tiger
10.5 = Leopard, the above but slower
10.6 = (purportedly) Snow Leopard

A check of eBay shows the G3 iMacs are SERIOUSLY cheap like a 600Mhz/265MB/40GB 
for $10+shipping cheap. That comes without an OS. The 10.3 disk set looks to be 
surprisingly expensive, ~$50 lets say. Of course with a wink and a nod there 
are folks on the list who can obtain copies for you...

Hmm, I've been looking for a torrent machine, one of these might fit the bill.

-Curt

Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 18:03:02 -0500
From: Ed Booher edboo...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: ISP doesn't support Linux
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Message-ID:
    446c86e30901141503k1e9f0ea2pe04d99ec36e1f...@mail.gmail.com

 All OS X systems have been a big cat, but a
different big cat with each major revision. Puma, Cheetah, Panther, Tiger
and Leopard. So the fact that it is a Snow Leopard instead of Lion or
something is driving the Mac fanbase to believe that it is not as major a
revision as any of the others.



EdB


  
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Re: [MBZ] OT: ISP doesn't support Linux

2009-01-15 Thread Allan Streib
Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com writes:

 A check of eBay shows the G3 iMacs are SERIOUSLY cheap like a
 600Mhz/265MB/40GB for $10+shipping cheap. That comes without an
 OS. The 10.3 disk set looks to be surprisingly expensive, ~$50 lets
 say.

You could always run OpenBSD or some other OS on the hardware, if you're
not particularly interested in Mac OS X.  Apple hardware tends to be
pretty good, for consumer-grade stuff.

Allan
-- 
1983 300D

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Re: [MBZ] OT Catheyesque furnace repair

2009-01-15 Thread Allan Streib
Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net writes:

 Allan Streib wrote:

 Sort of sounds like a self-tapping bolt, very common on furnaces and
 other sheet metal assemblies.

 With a nut on it?

Yeah, that would be odd.

Allan

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Re: [MBZ] Gee fo

2009-01-15 Thread Curt Raymond
Not so, computers have surged w ahead in the last 12-18 months 
especially in my business (video production) largely because of the availablity 
of 64 bit operating systems.

I think what we're seeing on the home market now is that people don't really DO 
all that much and for web browsing and email you don't really NEED all that 
much horsepower. I've got a 2.4Ghz Intel mobo and processor at home with 2GB of 
RAM and its entirely adequate for all my needs on the email/web browsing/web 
page creation/graphics editing front as a home user. Systems today are 
(interestingly) the same number (around 2.4Ghz) but you start talking dual core 
processors and faster bus speeds so effectively 2-2.5x the speed of the machine 
I have. Mine is maxed out for RAM and its slow RAM and I can't run a 64 bit OS 
so theres more speed available on the newer machine there too. Oh I also can't 
use an SATA hard drive which is faster so again more speed. With the proper OS 
and a bucketload of RAM and good video card and whatnot I'd say a machine 
comparable to mine in today's tech is maybe 4-5x faster overall. Thats speed I 
don't need of course, my system is
 totally adequate.

My video editing system is a dual 2.2Ghz with 2GB of RAM and BADLY needs 
replacing as its too slow to do any practical HD video work. I've got a pretty 
big, mostly HD project coming up so I need an upgrade. Dual 3.0Ghz systems with 
faster bus speeds are only a couple hundred bucks so I think I'm going to go 
that route.

Life on the trailing edge...

-Curt

Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 19:55:30 -0800
From: Tyler casi...@usermail.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gee fo
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
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You might not need to upgrade for quite some time. It seems like  
computer technology has hit various walls, and computer's haven't  
gotten significantly faster in recent years. My dad is still using a  
desktop I built for him in 2002, and its maybe 50-75% as powerful as  
the standard low end desktops they're selling nowadays. Not enough to  
make a noticeable difference for normal tasks like web browsing and  
writing... It has an Athlon XP 1500+ cpu and a gigabyte of ram.

In comparison, a 7 year old computer in 2002 would have been something  
like 50-100mhz, and probably have 32mb of ram- several orders of  
magnitude slower than the computers being sold in 2002 and useless for  
running modern applications at the time.

Tyler


  
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Re: [MBZ] overdoing

2009-01-15 Thread Mitch Haley
Last fall I found that Wally World had raised the regular 5qt M1 from $20-22 to 
$26.99. Only time I ever paid more than $5 a qt for the stuff. My local store 
didn't have any extended performance at the time.


Mitch.

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[MBZ] Ummm

2009-01-15 Thread Curt Raymond
http://nh.craigslist.org/cto/991899140.html

Its best mileage is at idle

Geez, I'd think at idle you'd be getting 0mpg...

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[MBZ] Ummm

2009-01-15 Thread Curt Raymond
http://nh.craigslist.org/ctd/991294204.html

Did w123 cars ever have cats?

-Curt



  
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Re: [MBZ] overdoing

2009-01-15 Thread John Robbins

Mitch Haley wrote:
Last fall I found that Wally World had raised the regular 5qt M1 from 
$20-22 to $26.99. Only time I ever paid more than $5 a qt for the stuff. 
My local store didn't have any extended performance at the time.


They don't have the 5w40 Turbo Diesel Truck or 0w40 European Car Formula 
I need so I end up paying $7 a quart at Autozone. :(


John


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Re: [MBZ] block heater for Chris

2009-01-15 Thread Rusty Cullens

I have them in stock, not on web site.

Rusty Cullens
BuyMBparts, Inc.
Tel 1-800-741-5252
Fax   770-454-9745

- Original Message - 
From: Christopher McCann xtofer1...@yahoo.com

To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 7:32 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] block heater for Chris


Argh, Well, I ordered one from oempartsplus (an ebay seller) like three 
weeks ago and it still is not here. Really pisses me off. Buymbparts does 
not have it on the site. I'll send him an e-mail and see whats up.


-Chris

P.S. Found a few trailers on CL like this: 
http://springfield.craigslist.org/for/993148639.html


Is 18 foot long enough? I know a car will fit, but is it convenient?


--- On Wed, 1/14/09, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote:


From: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net
Subject: [MBZ] block heater for Chris
To: mercedes Mailing List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Date: Wednesday, January 14, 2009, 5:27 PM
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Block-Heater-Part-Q-6-20-9001-3201-2311_W0QQitemZ120363765577QQihZ002QQcategoryZ33613QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
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Re: [MBZ] Gee fo

2009-01-15 Thread Jim Cathey
for web browsing and email you don't really NEED all that much 
horsepower. I've got a 2.4Ghz Intel mobo and processor at home with 
2GB of RAM and its entirely adequate for all my needs on the email/web 
browsing/web page creation/graphics editing front as a home user.


As is this 233 MHz Mac G3 that I'm using.  It's a little slow to start
apps, but even Illustrator and Photoshop are quite usable on it.  We 
just

upped its RAM to the maximum, 768 MB.  Merry Christmas to you, Mr. June
1998 and still running strong.

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] OT: Catheyesque instrument repair

2009-01-15 Thread Jim Cathey
I hope that your flute repair works.  Is the Gemeinhardt the Mercedes 
of flutes?


They would have you think so, but the serious fluties seem to
consider it merely a reasonable starter model.  I bought it as
a challenge, and because the wife's flute (not that she needs
one) is really a POS.

I may decide to wait a bit before tackling it, there are
a lot more important projects piled up (literally) right now!

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Re: [MBZ] Gee fo

2009-01-15 Thread Steve MacSween
on 1/15/09 10:40, Jim Cathey at j...@windwireless.net wrote:

 for web browsing and email you don't really NEED all that much
 horsepower. I've got a 2.4Ghz Intel mobo and processor at home with
 2GB of RAM and its entirely adequate for all my needs on the email/web
 browsing/web page creation/graphics editing front as a home user.
 
 As is this 233 MHz Mac G3 that I'm using.  It's a little slow to start
 apps, but even Illustrator and Photoshop are quite usable on it.  We
 just
 upped its RAM to the maximum, 768 MB.  Merry Christmas to you, Mr. June
 1998 and still running strong.
 

Seconded by my Mac Molar G3 that sends this.

mac (not an apple)


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Re: [MBZ] Gee fo

2009-01-15 Thread Curt Raymond
$2400 new...

That'll be an old version of Photoshop? My frustration is that I really like 
the newer versions of Photoshop. Everytime they come out with a new version I 
think geez the old version is perfect what could they change? Then I use the 
new version for ahwile and think Holy crap this is fantastic...
I've got 6 at home and CS3 at work, 6 seems so... primitive...

-Curt

Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 07:40:52 -0800
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 for web browsing and email you don't really NEED all that much 
 horsepower. I've got a 2.4Ghz Intel mobo and processor at home with 
 2GB of RAM and its entirely adequate for all my needs on the email/web 
 browsing/web page creation/graphics editing front as a home user.

As is this 233 MHz Mac G3 that I'm using.  It's a little slow to start
apps, but even Illustrator and Photoshop are quite usable on it.  We 
just
upped its RAM to the maximum, 768 MB.  Merry Christmas to you, Mr. June
1998 and still running strong.

-- Jim


  
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Re: [MBZ] Ummm

2009-01-15 Thread Wilton Strickland
Best would be rolling downhill with engine off, wouldn't it?  ;)))

Wilton

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 http://nh.craigslist.org/cto/991899140.html

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Re: [MBZ] [Banned] weather

2009-01-15 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin

Its 12 here and it looks like it did snow a bit, have a light dusting.

Luther wrote:
It's 19F and snowing here.  It's rare that we actually get moisture when 
one of those blasted Arctic Cold Fronts moves through 


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Re: [MBZ] TRAILER block heater for Chris

2009-01-15 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
It means its able to roll up to 2000 lbs.  If you are talking about 
those little portable ones, those work just fine pulling a car up on a 
car dolly or something.  Forget about dragging a dead wrecked car with 4 
flat tires up on a car trailer though, you need a big heavy duty wench 
like I have.


Christopher McCann wrote:

The winch description (I think it was Harbor Freight) mentioned that the winch 
rating was based on dead weight being pulled not lifted. I don't think a 2000lb 
winch can lift 2000lbs...but I'm not sure.

Chris


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Re: [MBZ] TRAILER block heater for Chris

2009-01-15 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin

yea, that should do it.  You need brakes.

Christopher McCann wrote:

'92 Dodge B-350 Ram Wagon - it's one ton (seats 15). It should do the job. I 
see that electric brakes on one axle seems to be a requirement in most states.

Chris


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Re: [MBZ] More good news

2009-01-15 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
well heck, I could just turn in a few of my cars and get a brand new CDI 
or something.


Rich Thomas wrote:


 This will be the end of our old cars, whether for hobbies or cheap
 solid transportation.  All hail the good ideas from DC!


--R


 Congress considers 'Cash for Clunkers'


   Program would offer people turning in their old gas guzzlers a
   voucher worth up to $4,500 for a new vehicle.




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Re: [MBZ] Ummm

2009-01-15 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin

yes, 0mpg

Curt Raymond wrote:

http://nh.craigslist.org/cto/991899140.html

Its best mileage is at idle

Geez, I'd think at idle you'd be getting 0mpg...

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Re: [MBZ] [Banned] weather

2009-01-15 Thread Allan Streib
Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net said:

 Its 12 here and it looks like it did snow a bit, have a light dusting.

 -4 this morning.  The 300D started fine, but it was on the block heater
 so it BETTER.

It seemed to me that I could really hear the turbo today.  Sounded
almost like a small jet engine under the hood.  What might that be
about?  Temperature-related?  I've never noticed it like that before.

Allan


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Re: [MBZ] Ummm

2009-01-15 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
no but it has a center muffler, I guess somebody who doesnt know any 
better would think it was a cat.


Curt Raymond wrote:

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Did w123 cars ever have cats?

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Re: [MBZ] Ummm

2009-01-15 Thread Mitch Haley

Curt Raymond wrote:

http://nh.craigslist.org/ctd/991294204.html

Did w123 cars ever have cats?


I wouldn't be surprised if all the gassers did.
1985 California diesels had trap oxidizers which should be replaced with cats, 
don't think the 49 state cars had them.
Check Bimby for prices on 1985 CA air filters, and read the emissions stickers 
on the car.


Mitch

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Re: [MBZ] Gee fo

2009-01-15 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
I have photoshop 7.0, but recently got a copy of CS I think it was 
which I have not tried  yet.  Which is the newer version?  Well for that 
matter, I also have a copy of 5.0


Curt Raymond wrote:

$2400 new...

That'll be an old version of Photoshop? My frustration is that I really like the newer versions of 
Photoshop. Everytime they come out with a new version I think geez the old version is perfect 
what could they change? Then I use the new version for ahwile and think Holy crap this 
is fantastic...
I've got 6 at home and CS3 at work, 6 seems so... primitive...

-Curt



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Re: [MBZ] More good news

2009-01-15 Thread E M
Save one of each, you know how it goes.  Once they're all gone, the price
goes way way up. ;-)

I wonder if once most are gone, if people will start putting money into the
ones that are left and making them into cars that are more collectible?  I
remember friends back in high school would buy muscle cars for a couple a
hundred dollars and drive them til they died, and then just got another
one.  The were often the types of cars you see rolling across Barrett's now
silly money, but theirs were in need of restoration. lol.

Ed
300E

2009/1/15 Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net

 well heck, I could just turn in a few of my cars and get a brand new CDI or
 something.

 Rich Thomas wrote:


  This will be the end of our old cars, whether for hobbies or cheap
  solid transportation.  All hail the good ideas from DC!


 --R


  Congress considers 'Cash for Clunkers'


   Program would offer people turning in their old gas guzzlers a
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Re: [MBZ] More good news

2009-01-15 Thread Rich Thomas
Yeah, I was thinking, you're gonna be an Okie millionaire once you cash 
them all in.


--R

Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
well heck, I could just turn in a few of my cars and get a brand new 
CDI or something.


Rich Thomas wrote:


 This will be the end of our old cars, whether for hobbies or cheap
 solid transportation.  All hail the good ideas from DC!


--R


 Congress considers 'Cash for Clunkers'


   Program would offer people turning in their old gas guzzlers a
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Re: [MBZ] Gee fo

2009-01-15 Thread Jim Cathey

That'll be an old version of Photoshop?


CS2.

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Re: [MBZ] chilling

2009-01-15 Thread R A Bennell
Or the effect of windchill on Mobile 1??

Randy

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How 'bout some Mobil 1 instead?  ;))

Wilton

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 I thought I'd put the word out that I am not going to post anything about
 windchill. Or red 300Es.

 It's been done.
 And done.
 And done.
 Etc.

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Re: [MBZ] Gee fo

2009-01-15 Thread Jim Cathey
I have photoshop 7.0, but recently got a copy of CS I think it was 
which I have not tried  yet.  Which is the newer version?


Creative Suite is newer.

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Re: [MBZ] Gee fo

2009-01-15 Thread Allan Streib
I use The Gimp for what little graphics manipulation I do (which is VERY
little).

Allan

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  That'll be an old version of Photoshop?
 
 CS2.
 
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Re: [MBZ] TRAILER block heater for Chris

2009-01-15 Thread Mitch Haley

Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

you need a big heavy duty wench like I have.


Do I have to subscribe to Banned to tell her you said that?

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Re: [MBZ] TRAILER block heater for Chris

2009-01-15 Thread Christopher McCann
Kaleb says, you need a big heavy duty wench like I have.

Ummm...LOL...uh...no comment. :-)

Chris




--- On Thu, 1/15/09, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote:

 From: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] TRAILER  block heater for Chris
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Date: Thursday, January 15, 2009, 10:03 AM
 It means its able to roll up to 2000 lbs.  If you are
 talking about those little portable ones, those work just
 fine pulling a car up on a car dolly or something.  Forget
 about dragging a dead wrecked car with 4 flat tires up on a
 car trailer though, you need a big heavy duty wench like I
 have.
 
 Christopher McCann wrote:
  The winch description (I think it was Harbor Freight)
 mentioned that the winch rating was based on dead weight
 being pulled not lifted. I don't think a 2000lb winch
 can lift 2000lbs...but I'm not sure.
  
  Chris
 
 -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK
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  84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D,
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Re: [MBZ] More good news

2009-01-15 Thread R A Bennell
But it will save the auto industry and thus the USA. You all have to buy new 
cars and then of course you will have
to buy regularly because the new cars are junk and don't last beyond the 
warranty. I can see it now - Chevy dealers
will be thicker than Starbucks.

Randy

-Original Message-
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[mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]on Behalf Of Rich Thomas
Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 8:44 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: [MBZ] More good news



  This will be the end of our old cars, whether for hobbies or cheap
  solid transportation.  All hail the good ideas from DC!


--R


  Congress considers 'Cash for Clunkers'


Program would offer people turning in their old gas guzzlers a
voucher worth up to $4,500 for a new vehicle.




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Re: [MBZ] TRAILER block heater for Chris

2009-01-15 Thread Mitch Haley

Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

yea, that should do it.  You need brakes.


And if you're buying a brake controller, Tekonsha Prodigy.
(yeah the Jordan's pretty good too, but who wants to mess with the cable to the 
brake pedal?)


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] TRAILER block heater for Chris

2009-01-15 Thread Christopher McCann
That sounds really nice. What is a weight distribution hitch? 

Chris


--- On Thu, 1/15/09, Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com wrote:

 From: Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] TRAILER  block heater for Chris
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Date: Thursday, January 15, 2009, 3:18 AM
 It seems than at Wed, 14 Jan 2009 23:07:35 -0500, Allan
 wrote:
 
  Christopher McCann xtofer1...@yahoo.com
 writes:
  
   OK guys, I've revised my criteria. No home
 made, must have
   title (usually the home made ones are the ones
 w/o title),
   must have ramps and be very beefy...and no damage
 (I've seen
   several damaged trailers cheap...don't want a
 trailer that
   swerves all over).
  
  I'd suggest checking with a local trailer repair
 place.  They
  probably have or know of local used ones for sale.
 
 I bought mine from a local fabricator. Stillwater Supply,
 MO I-44
 exit 230. Since they build them there, I was able to
 customize
 it. Extra stake pockets, longer tongue, brakes on both
 axles,
 sealed big truck type lights, etc. I probably
 have close to
 $4,000 in the system, with trailer, weight distrib hitch
 (HIGHLY
 recommended), stake sides, and so on.  Plan on keeping it a
 while. 
 
 --Philip
 
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Re: [MBZ] block heater for Chris

2009-01-15 Thread Christopher McCann
Will be placing an order later today.

Thanks!

Chris

--- On Thu, 1/15/09, Rusty Cullens ru...@buymbparts.com wrote:

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 Subject: Re: [MBZ] block heater for Chris
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Date: Thursday, January 15, 2009, 9:22 AM
 I have them in stock, not on web site.
 
 Rusty Cullens
 BuyMBparts, Inc.
 Tel 1-800-741-5252
 Fax   770-454-9745
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: Christopher McCann
 xtofer1...@yahoo.com
 To: Mercedes Discussion List
 mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 7:32 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] block heater for Chris
 
 
  Argh, Well, I ordered one from oempartsplus (an ebay
 seller) like three 
  weeks ago and it still is not here. Really pisses me
 off. Buymbparts does 
  not have it on the site. I'll send him an e-mail
 and see whats up.
 
  -Chris
 
  P.S. Found a few trailers on CL like this: 
  http://springfield.craigslist.org/for/993148639.html
 
  Is 18 foot long enough? I know a car will fit, but is
 it convenient?
 
 
  --- On Wed, 1/14/09, Kaleb C. Striplin
 ka...@striplin.net wrote:
 
  From: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net
  Subject: [MBZ] block heater for Chris
  To: mercedes Mailing List
 mercedes@okiebenz.com
  Date: Wednesday, January 14, 2009, 5:27 PM
 
 http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Block-Heater-Part-Q-6-20-9001-3201-2311_W0QQitemZ120363765577QQihZ002QQcategoryZ33613QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
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 560SEL,
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  x2,
   84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76
 300D,
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Catheyesque instrument repair

2009-01-15 Thread andrew strasfogel
I am your basic classical music elitist, but I have to say that I really
dislike the flute big-time.

Love the oboe, bassoon, and French horn, tho...

On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 10:43 AM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote:

  I hope that your flute repair works.  Is the Gemeinhardt the Mercedes of
 flutes?


 They would have you think so, but the serious fluties seem to
 consider it merely a reasonable starter model.  I bought it as
 a challenge, and because the wife's flute (not that she needs
 one) is really a POS.

 I may decide to wait a bit before tackling it, there are
 a lot more important projects piled up (literally) right now!

 -- Jim




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[MBZ] Strange 500SE Smoke Problem

2009-01-15 Thread John Robbins

All,

Last night I was going to use the 500SE to tow my brother's Sebring from 
behind the house.  While we were finding a place to hook the tow strap 
to the Sebring, the SE was idling and suddenly started BILLOWING a HUGE 
cloud of smoke.  By huge I mean filling my entire back yard in 20 
seconds huge.  The smoke was white, it didn't have a sweet smell 
(antifreeze), and it didn't smell like oil or have a bluish tint.  I 
can't remember/describe what oil smells like at the moment, but the 
smoke had a mild bitter smell to it.  Almost a burnt smell.


The car was slightly nose down... I leveled the car out and turned it 
off (after even more smoke from moving it!).  Restarted it 30 seconds or 
so later and it kept right on smoking.  Turned it off for about 5-10 
minutes, restarted, it smoked enough to clear out the exhaust, and 
didn't smoke again.


--The car is gray market so there is no catalytic converter
--There was no change in engine speed or sound
--Oil level is at the add mark
--Forgot to check coolant hoses when engine running, but immediately 
afterwards they weren't pressurized (rad cap could be bad though).
--On the 600 mile trip from Kaleb's the car would make a slight haze of 
gray smoke when it was floored (probably normal)
--Also on the trip from Kaleb's it made a big puff of white smoke when 
accelerating from a stop sign immediately after getting off the 
interstate.  I thought valve stems at the time, but I don't remember if 
the smoke was bluish or not.  I don't think it was.


Occasionally the car goes into fast idle for no reason.  Giving the 
throttle a blip will return it to low idle.  Kaleb could push on a black 
box (some kind of ECU) on the firewall and get the idle speed to change. 
 Is this related?


WTF?  I know nothing about gas cars...

John 'happy the fire department didn't show up' Robbins






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[MBZ] Specials Good Till End of January

2009-01-15 Thread Rusty Cullens
W123  W124  W126  Chassis

complete grill assembly $79.95
lower ball joint $11.95
drag link $29.95
tie rod assembly $29.95
steering shock $15.95
idler arm repair kit $14.95
driveshaft support with bearing $16.95


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Re: [MBZ] TRAILER block heater for Chris

2009-01-15 Thread Mitch Haley

Christopher McCann wrote:
That sounds really nice. What is a weight distribution hitch? 


You have springy bars that latch into the hitch head, and run below the tongue 
with chains bending them up towards the tongue. Transfers weight from the back 
wheels of the tow vehicle to the front wheels and trailer wheels.

http://www.etrailer.com/faq_weightdistribution.aspx

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Re: [MBZ] Specials Good Till End of January

2009-01-15 Thread John Robbins

Rusty Cullens wrote:

complete grill assembly $79.95


Does that include chrome frame, insert, and star?  Basically everything 
on the front of the hood?


John


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Re: [MBZ] Gee fo

2009-01-15 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin

ohh, OK, may install it and see what it does.

Jim Cathey wrote:
I have photoshop 7.0, but recently got a copy of CS I think it was 
which I have not tried  yet.  Which is the newer version?


Creative Suite is newer.

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] Strange 500SE Smoke Problem

2009-01-15 Thread John Robbins

One other thing... I have the instrument cluster out of the car...

John Robbins wrote:

All,

Last night I was going to use the 500SE to tow my brother's Sebring from 
behind the house.  While we were finding a place to hook the tow strap 
to the Sebring, the SE was idling and suddenly started BILLOWING a HUGE 
cloud of smoke.  By huge I mean filling my entire back yard in 20 
seconds huge.  The smoke was white, it didn't have a sweet smell 
(antifreeze), and it didn't smell like oil or have a bluish tint.  I 
can't remember/describe what oil smells like at the moment, but the 
smoke had a mild bitter smell to it.  Almost a burnt smell.


The car was slightly nose down... I leveled the car out and turned it 
off (after even more smoke from moving it!).  Restarted it 30 seconds or 
so later and it kept right on smoking.  Turned it off for about 5-10 
minutes, restarted, it smoked enough to clear out the exhaust, and 
didn't smoke again.


--The car is gray market so there is no catalytic converter
--There was no change in engine speed or sound
--Oil level is at the add mark
--Forgot to check coolant hoses when engine running, but immediately 
afterwards they weren't pressurized (rad cap could be bad though).
--On the 600 mile trip from Kaleb's the car would make a slight haze of 
gray smoke when it was floored (probably normal)
--Also on the trip from Kaleb's it made a big puff of white smoke when 
accelerating from a stop sign immediately after getting off the 
interstate.  I thought valve stems at the time, but I don't remember if 
the smoke was bluish or not.  I don't think it was.


Occasionally the car goes into fast idle for no reason.  Giving the 
throttle a blip will return it to low idle.  Kaleb could push on a black 
box (some kind of ECU) on the firewall and get the idle speed to change. 
 Is this related?


WTF?  I know nothing about gas cars...

John 'happy the fire department didn't show up' Robbins






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Re: [MBZ] TRAILER block heater for Chris

2009-01-15 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin

hahahahahahahahahah  I meant winch.

Mitch Haley wrote:

Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

you need a big heavy duty wench like I have.


Do I have to subscribe to Banned to tell her you said that?

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Re: [MBZ] Strange 500SE Smoke Problem

2009-01-15 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin



John Robbins wrote:

All,

Last night I was going to use the 500SE to tow my brother's Sebring from 
behind the house.  While we were finding a place to hook the tow strap 
to the Sebring, the SE was idling and suddenly started BILLOWING a HUGE 
cloud of smoke.  By huge I mean filling my entire back yard in 20 
seconds huge.  The smoke was white, it didn't have a sweet smell 
(antifreeze), and it didn't smell like oil or have a bluish tint.  I 
can't remember/describe what oil smells like at the moment, but the 
smoke had a mild bitter smell to it.  Almost a burnt smell.


The car was slightly nose down... I leveled the car out and turned it 
off (after even more smoke from moving it!).  Restarted it 30 seconds or 
so later and it kept right on smoking.  Turned it off for about 5-10 
minutes, restarted, it smoked enough to clear out the exhaust, and 
didn't smoke again.


That is very strange, it never did that for me and I have had it idling 
in the back yard for hours at a time, well maybe up to an hour or 2, 
while moving things around.  Uncle never had that problem.




--The car is gray market so there is no catalytic converter
--There was no change in engine speed or sound
--Oil level is at the add mark
--Forgot to check coolant hoses when engine running, but immediately 
afterwards they weren't pressurized (rad cap could be bad though).
--On the 600 mile trip from Kaleb's the car would make a slight haze of 
gray smoke when it was floored (probably normal)


Probably just leaky valve seals, pretty normal, or common on those engines.

--Also on the trip from Kaleb's it made a big puff of white smoke when 
accelerating from a stop sign immediately after getting off the 
interstate.  I thought valve stems at the time, but I don't remember if 
the smoke was bluish or not.  I don't think it was.


Occasionally the car goes into fast idle for no reason.  Giving the 
throttle a blip will return it to low idle.  Kaleb could push on a black 
box (some kind of ECU) on the firewall and get the idle speed to change. 
 Is this related?


That box is the idle computer.  Its brand new but I think make the 
contacts for the connector might be dirty.  They are sometimes very 
picky and if not making good contact will go to a high idle.


WTF?  I know nothing about gas cars...

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Re: [MBZ] TRAILER block heater for Chris

2009-01-15 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
I dont need no stinking weight dist hitch on the duramax, it doesnt even 
know I got anything hooked up to it.  I can see using one on a regular 
3/4 ton (mine is HD) or a 1/2 ton, but I dont really need one.


Mitch Haley wrote:

Christopher McCann wrote:
That sounds really nice. What is a weight distribution hitch? 


You have springy bars that latch into the hitch head, and run below the 
tongue with chains bending them up towards the tongue. Transfers weight 
from the back wheels of the tow vehicle to the front wheels and trailer 
wheels.

http://www.etrailer.com/faq_weightdistribution.aspx

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Catheyesque instrument repair

2009-01-15 Thread Mitch Haley

andrew strasfogel wrote:

I am your basic classical music elitist, but I have to say that I really
dislike the flute big-time.


Not a Jethro Tull fan, eh?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3Q2L1Tt1Hk
(oops, looks like Ian played a recorder for this one)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgUw6t3b6oE
(There's some fluting in this one)

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Re: [MBZ] Specials Good Till End of January

2009-01-15 Thread Rusty Cullens

chrome grill, plastic insert, and chrome strips, no badge or star.


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To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
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Rusty Cullens wrote:

complete grill assembly $79.95


Does that include chrome frame, insert, and star?  Basically everything 
on the front of the hood?


John


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Re: [MBZ] Gee fo

2009-01-15 Thread Curt Raymond
I *think* CS = 7 but now theres CS2 and CS3... Could even be CS4 by now for all 
I know.

-Curt

Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 10:12:12 -0600
From: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gee fo
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
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I have photoshop 7.0, but recently got a copy of CS I think it was 
which I have not tried  yet.  Which is the newer version?  Well for that 
matter, I also have a copy of 5.0

Curt Raymond wrote:
 $2400 new...
 

That'll be an old version of Photoshop? My frustration is that I really
like the newer versions of Photoshop. Everytime they come out with a
new version I think geez the old version is perfect what could they
change? Then I use the new version for ahwile and think Holy crap
this is fantastic...
 I've got 6 at home and CS3 at work, 6 seems so... primitive...
 
 -Curt


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Re: [MBZ] Gee fo

2009-01-15 Thread Curt Raymond
The Gimp is VERY frustrating if you're used to Photoshop, they're just enough 
different...

I'm still trying though.

-Curt

Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 11:52:18 -0500
From: Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu
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To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
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I use The Gimp for what little graphics manipulation I do (which is VERY
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Re: [MBZ] TRAILER block heater for Chris

2009-01-15 Thread Christopher McCann
Can't you achieve the same thing by moving the car back (away from the hitch) 
on the trailer?

Chris



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 From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] TRAILER  block heater for Chris
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Date: Thursday, January 15, 2009, 11:19 AM
 Christopher McCann wrote:
  That sounds really nice. What is a weight distribution
 hitch? 
 
 You have springy bars that latch into the hitch head, and
 run below the tongue with chains bending them up towards the
 tongue. Transfers weight from the back wheels of the tow
 vehicle to the front wheels and trailer wheels.
 http://www.etrailer.com/faq_weightdistribution.aspx
 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Catheyesque instrument repair

2009-01-15 Thread Rich Thomas
I have an Ian Anderson CD that is all instrumental songs, lots of flute 
stuff.  I have not listened to it for awhile but it is pretty good.  I 
think it is called Divinities or something like that.  A lot of those 
70s guys were classically trained and found $$ (or pounds) in rock music.


--R

Mitch Haley wrote:

andrew strasfogel wrote:

I am your basic classical music elitist, but I have to say that I really
dislike the flute big-time.


Not a Jethro Tull fan, eh?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3Q2L1Tt1Hk
(oops, looks like Ian played a recorder for this one)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgUw6t3b6oE
(There's some fluting in this one)

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Re: [MBZ] Gee fo

2009-01-15 Thread Luther

CS4 is already several months (August '08?) old.

Luther

Curt Raymond wrote:

I *think* CS = 7 but now theres CS2 and CS3... Could even be CS4 by now for all 
I know.

-Curt

Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 10:12:12 -0600
From: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gee fo
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Message-ID: 496f605c.8010...@striplin.net
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I have photoshop 7.0, but recently got a copy of CS I think it was 
which I have not tried  yet.  Which is the newer version?  Well for that 
matter, I also have a copy of 5.0


Curt Raymond wrote:
  

$2400 new...




That'll be an old version of Photoshop? My frustration is that I really
like the newer versions of Photoshop. Everytime they come out with a
new version I think geez the old version is perfect what could they
change? Then I use the new version for ahwile and think Holy crap
this is fantastic...
  

I've got 6 at home and CS3 at work, 6 seems so... primitive...

-Curt




  


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Re: [MBZ] Kaleb says Regina is a heavy duty wench

2009-01-15 Thread Luther
I'll do it for you. 


Mitch Haley wrote:

Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

you need a big heavy duty wench like I have.


Do I have to subscribe to Banned to tell her you said that?



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Re: [MBZ] OT: Catheyesque instrument repair

2009-01-15 Thread Luther

shoot one!

andrew strasfogel wrote:

How would I know?

OK, I'll bite - how?

On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 1:24 PM, Luther benz-n-h...@gulseth.net wrote:

  

How do you tuen 2 piccolos?
andrew strasfogel wrote:



I am your basic classical music elitist, but I have to say that I really
dislike the flute big-time.

Love the oboe, bassoon, and French horn, tho...

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wrote:



  

 I hope that your flute repair works.  Is the Gemeinhardt the Mercedes of




flutes?



  

They would have you think so, but the serious fluties seem to
consider it merely a reasonable starter model.  I bought it as
a challenge, and because the wife's flute (not that she needs
one) is really a POS.

I may decide to wait a bit before tackling it, there are
a lot more important projects piled up (literally) right now!

-- Jim




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Re: [MBZ] OT: Catheyesque instrument repair

2009-01-15 Thread andrew strasfogel
How would I know?

OK, I'll bite - how?

On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 1:24 PM, Luther benz-n-h...@gulseth.net wrote:

 How do you tuen 2 piccolos?
 andrew strasfogel wrote:

 I am your basic classical music elitist, but I have to say that I really
 dislike the flute big-time.

 Love the oboe, bassoon, and French horn, tho...

 On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 10:43 AM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net
 wrote:



  I hope that your flute repair works.  Is the Gemeinhardt the Mercedes of


 flutes?



 They would have you think so, but the serious fluties seem to
 consider it merely a reasonable starter model.  I bought it as
 a challenge, and because the wife's flute (not that she needs
 one) is really a POS.

 I may decide to wait a bit before tackling it, there are
 a lot more important projects piled up (literally) right now!

 -- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Catheyesque instrument repair

2009-01-15 Thread Luther
How do you tuen 2 piccolos? 


andrew strasfogel wrote:

I am your basic classical music elitist, but I have to say that I really
dislike the flute big-time.

Love the oboe, bassoon, and French horn, tho...

On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 10:43 AM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote:

  

 I hope that your flute repair works.  Is the Gemeinhardt the Mercedes of


flutes?

  

They would have you think so, but the serious fluties seem to
consider it merely a reasonable starter model.  I bought it as
a challenge, and because the wife's flute (not that she needs
one) is really a POS.

I may decide to wait a bit before tackling it, there are
a lot more important projects piled up (literally) right now!

-- Jim


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[MBZ] Crack smoker

2009-01-15 Thread Curt Raymond
http://nh.craigslist.org/cto/990227432.html

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Re: [MBZ] Gee fo

2009-01-15 Thread tyler
There is a modified version of gimp that aims to duplicate the photoshop 
interface. I think it's called gimpshop or something.


Curt Raymond wrote:

The Gimp is VERY frustrating if you're used to Photoshop, they're just enough 
different...

I'm still trying though.

-Curt

Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 11:52:18 -0500
From: Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu
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I use The Gimp for what little graphics manipulation I do (which is VERY
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Re: [MBZ] OT Prepare to be Amazed and Astounded

2009-01-15 Thread tyler
The speed of light in a vacuum is constant, but when light is passing 
through a medium (air, glass, etc.) it travels much slower. This slower 
speed will be relative to the reference frame of the medium, and is not 
constant for all observers.


Let me explain how this does not contradict relativity, and the concept 
of a constant light speed:


The experiments you are referring to involve the speed of light 
propagating through a medium. A photon can't propagate straight through 
a medium, because there are atoms in the way- one way to think of it is 
that the photon is repeatedly absorbed by atoms as it encounters them, 
which raises an electron in the atom to a higher energy level. The 
photon is momentarily absorbed, and is no longer a photon, but is stored 
as energy within the atom. This electron then falls back to a lower 
energy level, releasing a new photon after some time has passed since 
the photon was absorbed.


Alternately, you can consider that in some situations (such as when a 
strong gravitational field actually warps space) that light is traveling 
slower, because it's actually following a curved rather than straight path.


Interestingly, one could say that photons exhibit something similar to 
rest mass under the conditions of traveling through a medium. While the 
light is inside the medium, it does increase the effective rest mass of 
the medium slightly because it's adding energy to the medium without 
adding momentum. Rest mass follows the following formula:


rest mass = sqrt(E^2/c^4 - p^2/c^2)

Where E is energy, c is the speed of light, and p is momentum. So to 
keep the equation balanced, if energy is added to a system without 
increasing it's momentum then the rest mass must increase slightly. I 
wouldn't say that the photons themselves have rest mass, but that they 
are momentarily being converted from energy to mass, and back again as 
they are momentarily trapped in a medium.


I hope my explanation helps. This is my understanding of the phenomenon, 
but I could be somewhat wrong about it. It's been a while since I've 
taken a class in electrodynamics or optics, and I haven't used the 
knowledge since...


Tyler

Archer wrote:

Recently several labs have achieved the lowest possible temperature.
IIRC even light or photons came to rest.  Did they have rest mass
under those conditions?


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Catheyesque instrument repair

2009-01-15 Thread OK Don
We did a similar repair on a cheap French Horn we picked up at a
school auction ($5.00) that was nearly closed about half way around
the outer coil. Kept pulling larger diameter plugs through with heavy
weed whacker cord til we got it to an acceptable shape. Some silver
solder and a few key pads later, and we had a good student horn.

On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 1:23 AM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote:
 Interior diameter of a crimped (sat-upon?) Gemeinhardt
 M2 flute: 19mm.  Exterior diameter of a cross-drilled
 pointed steel ground stake used for pouring concrete
 slabs: 19mm.  Coincidence?  I don't think so.  But we'll
 see...


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Re: [MBZ] Gee fo

2009-01-15 Thread OK Don
 Life on the trailing edge...


I resemble that remark 

okdon

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Re: [MBZ] OT Prepare to be Amazed and Astounded

2009-01-15 Thread OK Don
So, are photons in motion particles or waves?

On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 1:49 PM, tyler casi...@usermail.com wrote:
 The speed of light in a vacuum is constant, but when light is passing
 through a medium (air, glass, etc.) it travels much slower. This slower
 speed will be relative to the reference frame of the medium, and is not
 constant for all observers.

 Let me explain how this does not contradict relativity, and the concept of a
 constant light speed:

 The experiments you are referring to involve the speed of light propagating
 through a medium. A photon can't propagate straight through a medium,
 because there are atoms in the way- one way to think of it is that the
 photon is repeatedly absorbed by atoms as it encounters them, which raises
 an electron in the atom to a higher energy level. The photon is momentarily
 absorbed, and is no longer a photon, but is stored as energy within the
 atom. This electron then falls back to a lower energy level, releasing a new
 photon after some time has passed since the photon was absorbed.

 Alternately, you can consider that in some situations (such as when a strong
 gravitational field actually warps space) that light is traveling slower,
 because it's actually following a curved rather than straight path.

 Interestingly, one could say that photons exhibit something similar to rest
 mass under the conditions of traveling through a medium. While the light is
 inside the medium, it does increase the effective rest mass of the medium
 slightly because it's adding energy to the medium without adding momentum.
 Rest mass follows the following formula:

 rest mass = sqrt(E^2/c^4 - p^2/c^2)

 Where E is energy, c is the speed of light, and p is momentum. So to keep
 the equation balanced, if energy is added to a system without increasing
 it's momentum then the rest mass must increase slightly. I wouldn't say that
 the photons themselves have rest mass, but that they are momentarily being
 converted from energy to mass, and back again as they are momentarily
 trapped in a medium.

 I hope my explanation helps. This is my understanding of the phenomenon, but
 I could be somewhat wrong about it. It's been a while since I've taken a
 class in electrodynamics or optics, and I haven't used the knowledge
 since...

 Tyler

 Archer wrote:

 Recently several labs have achieved the lowest possible temperature.
 IIRC even light or photons came to rest.  Did they have rest mass
 under those conditions?

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Re: [MBZ] Crack smoker

2009-01-15 Thread andrew strasfogel
Only because he's advertising on CL rather than ebay.  On ebay he would
score at least $8K.

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 http://nh.craigslist.org/cto/990227432.html

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Re: [MBZ] OT Prepare to be Amazed and Astounded

2009-01-15 Thread tyler
Since in science, things can only be considered from the perspective of 
observable phenomena, the properties of light are only understood only 
through their interaction with other particles and energy in given 
situations. Photons exhibit both wave-like and particle-like behavior 
depending on the situation (Google wave-particle duality).


Since the concept of a particle or a wave describes behavior in 
certain situations, I would say that light propagating in free space 
exhibits no specific properties. The properties only arise in relation 
to it's interaction with the rest of the universe.


I am not a big fan of the reductionist philosophy where one tries to 
understand the universe in terms of individual components with inherent 
properties. I do not think it makes sense to discuss a photon (or 
anything else for that matter) outside of the context of it's being a 
small subset or component of the universe, which is a large 
interconnected system or sequence of cause and effect events.


For clarity, I'll restate it differently:

A photon is really just an imaginary construct or model we have invented 
to group together a series of closely related events and behavior we 
have observed in the universe. The observed phenomena is real, but the 
photon itself is only an intellectual tool for understanding, 
describing, and predicting those phenomena. Neither the wave or 
particle models alone accurately describe these phenomena, so we have 
invented two different models which we apply in different situations. 
It's really not very elegant, but nobody has come up with something 
better (yet).


I hope that makes sense...

Tyler

OK Don wrote:

So, are photons in motion particles or waves?


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Re: [MBZ] Strange 500SE Smoke Problem

2009-01-15 Thread R A Bennell
Could it have siphoned AT fluid into the intake via a vaccuum hose or something 
like that? I had an issue with my
old Suburban once that oiled up the air filter. It was because the PCV valve 
was not inserted into the valve cover.
Not quite the same but sort of an odd thing to happen. Look for simple things 
first!

Randy

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Subject: [MBZ] Strange 500SE Smoke Problem


All,

Last night I was going to use the 500SE to tow my brother's Sebring from
behind the house.  While we were finding a place to hook the tow strap
to the Sebring, the SE was idling and suddenly started BILLOWING a HUGE
cloud of smoke.  By huge I mean filling my entire back yard in 20
seconds huge.  The smoke was white, it didn't have a sweet smell
(antifreeze), and it didn't smell like oil or have a bluish tint.  I
can't remember/describe what oil smells like at the moment, but the
smoke had a mild bitter smell to it.  Almost a burnt smell.

The car was slightly nose down... I leveled the car out and turned it
off (after even more smoke from moving it!).  Restarted it 30 seconds or
so later and it kept right on smoking.  Turned it off for about 5-10
minutes, restarted, it smoked enough to clear out the exhaust, and
didn't smoke again.

--The car is gray market so there is no catalytic converter
--There was no change in engine speed or sound
--Oil level is at the add mark
--Forgot to check coolant hoses when engine running, but immediately
afterwards they weren't pressurized (rad cap could be bad though).
--On the 600 mile trip from Kaleb's the car would make a slight haze of
gray smoke when it was floored (probably normal)
--Also on the trip from Kaleb's it made a big puff of white smoke when
accelerating from a stop sign immediately after getting off the
interstate.  I thought valve stems at the time, but I don't remember if
the smoke was bluish or not.  I don't think it was.

Occasionally the car goes into fast idle for no reason.  Giving the
throttle a blip will return it to low idle.  Kaleb could push on a black
box (some kind of ECU) on the firewall and get the idle speed to change.
  Is this related?

WTF?  I know nothing about gas cars...

John 'happy the fire department didn't show up' Robbins






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Re: [MBZ] Crack smoker

2009-01-15 Thread R A Bennell
Might be worth it. One would need to have a close look. If it is clean and low 
mileage, I'd rather have it than a
new Chevy (can't remember the new name for the Cavalier) and I like Chevy's.

Randy

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Only because he's advertising on CL rather than ebay.  On ebay he would
score at least $8K.

On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 2:11 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote:

 http://nh.craigslist.org/cto/990227432.html

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Re: [MBZ] Specials Good Till End of January

2009-01-15 Thread Curt Raymond
*Sigh* I hate you. This is a REALLY good deal. I paid about the same at a 
boneyard last fall.

Actually, I paid $100 and got:
amber fog lights
manual ACC fan switch
warning triangle
grill assembly

So I dunno, I still think thats a great deal though.

-Curt

Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 12:44:29 -0500
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chrome grill, plastic insert, and chrome strips, no badge or star.


Rusty Cullens
BuyMBparts, Inc.
Tel 1-800-741-5252
Fax   770-454-9745

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 Rusty Cullens wrote:
 complete grill assembly $79.95
 
 Does that include chrome frame, insert, and star?  Basically everything 
 on the front of the hood?
 
 John
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] TRAILER block heater for Chris

2009-01-15 Thread Fmiser
 Christopher McCann wrote:
  '92 Dodge B-350 Ram Wagon - it's one ton (seats 15). It
  should do the job. I see that electric brakes on one axle
  seems to be a requirement in most states.

 Kaleb wrote:

 yea, that should do it.  You need brakes.

And it would be a good idea to get a weight distributing hitch -
if you haul any significant weight.

--  Philip 

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Re: [MBZ] TRAILER block heater for Chris

2009-01-15 Thread Fmiser
 Christopher wrote:

 That sounds really nice. What is a weight distribution hitch? 

To make a trailer dynamically stable, at least 10% of the mass
needs to be in front of the trailer axles. 15% is better. 50%
is best (it's then called a semi-trailer -like the big
trucks use - rather than a full trailer). With a majority of
the mass in front of the trailer axle, side-to-side
disturbances tend to be self-canceling. With more mass behind
the axle, the oscillations self re-enforce. This is a common
cause of upside-down trailers jack-knifed in the ditch.

With a ordinary hitch, mass = weight. So a 2,000 lb (900 kg)
trailer and a 4,400 lb (2,000 kg) car on it the gross weight
of the trailer is 6,400 lb (2,900 kg). 15% of that is 960 lb
(435 kg). That's how much weight will be on the very back of
your van. It _will_ raise the front.

The solution is weight distributing. It is a bulky hitch
assembly that's commonly seen on camper trailers. With the aid
of one or two spring bars, tension is applied at the hitch
point lifting the back of the tow vehicle. The result is some
of the weight is distributed to the trailer and steer axles
- but the mass stays so the stability is not affected.

Now that I have one, I can't see ever doing without it - at
least when the trailer gross is more than 1/2 the truck
weight. 

-- Philip

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Re: [MBZ] Gee fo

2009-01-15 Thread Curt Raymond
I finally got rid of my Mac Plus. Kept my SCSI zip drive in case I ever find 
that Color Classic II I've always wanted...

-Curt

Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 14:05:41 -0600
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 Life on the trailing edge...


I resemble that remark 

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Re: [MBZ] TRAILER block heater for Chris

2009-01-15 Thread Christopher McCann
Thanks for explaining that. Now I can see why it's not enough to move the car 
back on the trailer till the trailer doesn't put much weight on the 
tongue...that shifts too much mass to the rear causing swerving and 
unsteadiness.

Best is to move 50% of the mass forward, if not more, and use the weight 
distribution hitch to distribute the weight of the car back to the trailer. 

Do I have that right?

Chris

--- On Thu, 1/15/09, Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com wrote:

 From: Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] TRAILER  block heater for Chris
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Date: Thursday, January 15, 2009, 2:38 PM
  Christopher wrote:
 
  That sounds really nice. What is a weight distribution
 hitch? 
 
 To make a trailer dynamically stable, at least 10% of the
 mass
 needs to be in front of the trailer axles. 15% is better.
 50%
 is best (it's then called a semi-trailer
 -like the big
 trucks use - rather than a full trailer). With
 a majority of
 the mass in front of the trailer axle, side-to-side
 disturbances tend to be self-canceling. With more mass
 behind
 the axle, the oscillations self re-enforce. This is a
 common
 cause of upside-down trailers jack-knifed in the ditch.
 
 With a ordinary hitch, mass = weight. So a 2,000 lb (900
 kg)
 trailer and a 4,400 lb (2,000 kg) car on it the gross
 weight
 of the trailer is 6,400 lb (2,900 kg). 15% of that is 960
 lb
 (435 kg). That's how much weight will be on the very
 back of
 your van. It _will_ raise the front.
 
 The solution is weight distributing. It is a
 bulky hitch
 assembly that's commonly seen on camper trailers. With
 the aid
 of one or two spring bars, tension is applied at the hitch
 point lifting the back of the tow vehicle. The result is
 some
 of the weight is distributed to the trailer and
 steer axles
 - but the mass stays so the stability is not affected.
 
 Now that I have one, I can't see ever doing without it
 - at
 least when the trailer gross is more than 1/2 the truck
 weight. 
 
 -- Philip
 
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Re: [MBZ] Strange 500SE Smoke Problem

2009-01-15 Thread John Robbins

R A Bennell wrote:

Could it have siphoned AT fluid into the intake via a vaccuum hose or something 
like that? I had an issue with my
old Suburban once that oiled up the air filter. It was because the PCV valve 
was not inserted into the valve cover.
Not quite the same but sort of an odd thing to happen. Look for simple things 
first!


Excellent idea!  I will definitely be looking into that.  I have noticed 
a hose on the valve cover is missing, but there is no oil in the air 
filter.


I like simple fixes! :)

John


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[MBZ] help choosing TRAILER hitch and weight distribution hitch

2009-01-15 Thread Christopher McCann
I think this hitch will work for my 1992 Dodge 1 ton full size van:

http://www.etrailer.com/pc-H~41910.htm?vehicleid=1992797

Now I need a weight distribution hitch...which are here:

http://www.etrailer.com/c-wd.htm

But I am not sure which one to get. Plan on an 18 foot trailer and hauling 116, 
123, 126's, etc...that weight range.

Thoughts?

Chris



--- On Thu, 1/15/09, Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com wrote:

 From: Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] TRAILER  block heater for Chris
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Date: Thursday, January 15, 2009, 2:38 PM
  Christopher wrote:
 
  That sounds really nice. What is a weight distribution
 hitch? 
 
 To make a trailer dynamically stable, at least 10% of the
 mass
 needs to be in front of the trailer axles. 15% is better.
 50%
 is best (it's then called a semi-trailer
 -like the big
 trucks use - rather than a full trailer). With
 a majority of
 the mass in front of the trailer axle, side-to-side
 disturbances tend to be self-canceling. With more mass
 behind
 the axle, the oscillations self re-enforce. This is a
 common
 cause of upside-down trailers jack-knifed in the ditch.
 
 With a ordinary hitch, mass = weight. So a 2,000 lb (900
 kg)
 trailer and a 4,400 lb (2,000 kg) car on it the gross
 weight
 of the trailer is 6,400 lb (2,900 kg). 15% of that is 960
 lb
 (435 kg). That's how much weight will be on the very
 back of
 your van. It _will_ raise the front.
 
 The solution is weight distributing. It is a
 bulky hitch
 assembly that's commonly seen on camper trailers. With
 the aid
 of one or two spring bars, tension is applied at the hitch
 point lifting the back of the tow vehicle. The result is
 some
 of the weight is distributed to the trailer and
 steer axles
 - but the mass stays so the stability is not affected.
 
 Now that I have one, I can't see ever doing without it
 - at
 least when the trailer gross is more than 1/2 the truck
 weight. 
 
 -- Philip
 
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Re: [MBZ] TRAILER block heater for Chris

2009-01-15 Thread tyler

I'll vouch for the importance of enough tounge weight.

Once late in the evening after a long day, I loaded up a car trailer 
with a honda motorcycle in front, and a Volvo 244 sedan just behind it. 
I didn't realize that the width of the motorcycle caused the cars weight 
to be centered behind the axle, and I had a slightly negative tounge weight!


I got on the freeway on level ground, and the trailer began oscillating 
until it whipped the car and trailer around 180 degrees, such that I was 
facing backwards on the freeway. I drove slowly the wrong way down an 
empty onramp just in time before a truck came, and eventually was able 
to stop the vehicle and correct the weight distribution. The trailer 
jackknifing on the freeway destroyed the unibody of my beloved 1983 
Volvo 760 Turbo Diesel, and I had to transfer the drivetrain into a 
replacement chassis. Luckily nobody was hurt.


I now test the tounge weight of a trailer every time I tow...

Tyler

Christopher McCann wrote:

Thanks for explaining that. Now I can see why it's not enough to move the car 
back on the trailer till the trailer doesn't put much weight on the 
tongue...that shifts too much mass to the rear causing swerving and 
unsteadiness.

Best is to move 50% of the mass forward, if not more, and use the weight distribution hitch to distribute the weight of the car back to the trailer. 


Do I have that right?

Chris


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Re: [MBZ] Strange 500SE Smoke Problem

2009-01-15 Thread Mathieu J . Cama

John,

Also, check to see if the brake booster is filled with fluid. The 
downhill angle and white smoke point towards that as a potential cause. 
Brake fluid will smoke like ATF. Voluminous smoke and a smell that is 
unique when burned.


Mathieu

-mired in a 230sl all week



On Jan 15, 2009, at 4:04 PM, John Robbins wrote:


R A Bennell wrote:
Could it have siphoned AT fluid into the intake via a vaccuum hose or 
something like that? I had an issue with my
old Suburban once that oiled up the air filter. It was because the 
PCV valve was not inserted into the valve cover.
Not quite the same but sort of an odd thing to happen. Look for 
simple things first!


Excellent idea!  I will definitely be looking into that.  I have 
noticed a hose on the valve cover is missing, but there is no oil in 
the air filter.


I like simple fixes! :)

John


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Re: [MBZ] Gee fo

2009-01-15 Thread Fmiser
It seems than at Thu, 15 Jan 2009 09:55:19 -0800 (PST), Curt
wrote:

 The Gimp is VERY frustrating if you're used to Photoshop,
 they're just enough different...
 
 I'm still trying though.

I've used both extensively. Most of the tools are quite
similar - but the keyboard short cuts are _not_!! Even the
menu location is different. However, it's trivial to change
shortcuts in the GIMP, so one could make them match Photoshop.


I can get more done in a given amount of time with Adobe -
but I have not yet found anything I needed to do that I
_could_ not do in the GIMP. So if time is money, Adobe can be
worth it.  But since it won't run native on my Linux
machines

I know, it runs with Wine - but since I have the GIMP, why
bother? 

-- Philip

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Re: [MBZ] TRAILER block heater for Chris

2009-01-15 Thread Fmiser
It seems than at Thu, 15 Jan 2009 13:02:47 -0800 (PST),
Christopher wrote:

 Thanks for explaining that. Now I can see why it's not enough
 to move the car back on the trailer till the trailer doesn't
 put much weight on the tongue...that shifts too much mass to
 the rear causing swerving and unsteadiness.
 
 Best is to move 50% of the mass forward, if not more, and use
 the weight distribution hitch to distribute the weight of the
 car back to the trailer. 
 
 Do I have that right?

Yeah, but you won't likely get %50 of the mass in front with a
big load. Big weight distributing hitches can distribute up to
1500 lbs (680 kg) away from the hitch. I did achieve close to
that when I hauled a big riding mower. Put it entirely in front
of the axle and cranked up the distrib. Rode _very_ nice!

--   Philip

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Re: [MBZ] Strange 500SE Smoke Problem

2009-01-15 Thread John Robbins

Mathieu J. Cama wrote:
Also, check to see if the brake booster is filled with fluid. The 
downhill angle and white smoke point towards that as a potential cause. 
Brake fluid will smoke like ATF. Voluminous smoke and a smell that is 
unique when burned.


Good idea! Kaleb says the rear brake line is leaking, but maybe it is 
the master cylinder instead?  The smoke was coming out of the tailpipe, 
and I don't think a leaky brake line would do that.


John


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Re: [MBZ] OT Catheyesque furnace repair

2009-01-15 Thread Kevin Kraly
That would make sense.  Since the self-tapping bolt has already cut the 
threads, the new bolt threadded right in.  It's still holding up.  Unless I 
hear it light off, I can't tell it's on.


Kevin in Hillsboro, OR
1983 300sD 267Kmi, Ursula 



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Re: [MBZ] OT: Catheyesque instrument repair

2009-01-15 Thread Bill R
Like lots of instruments, it depends on who is playing it.  Makes a BIG
difference.
BillR

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Catheyesque instrument repair

How would I know?

OK, I'll bite - how?

On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 1:24 PM, Luther benz-n-h...@gulseth.net wrote:

 How do you tuen 2 piccolos?
 andrew strasfogel wrote:

 I am your basic classical music elitist, but I have to say that I really
 dislike the flute big-time.

 Love the oboe, bassoon, and French horn, tho...

 On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 10:43 AM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net
 wrote:



  I hope that your flute repair works.  Is the Gemeinhardt the Mercedes
of


 flutes?



 They would have you think so, but the serious fluties seem to
 consider it merely a reasonable starter model.  I bought it as
 a challenge, and because the wife's flute (not that she needs
 one) is really a POS.

 I may decide to wait a bit before tackling it, there are
 a lot more important projects piled up (literally) right now!

 -- Jim


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 '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x59,xxx mi) BioBeast
 '82 300CD (183 kmi)
 '82 300D  (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold
 '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine The Accordion


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Re: [MBZ] TRAILER block heater for Chris

2009-01-15 Thread MG
Can't help you much with the length other then to say that after looking 
into my future prognosticator and seeing that you will definitely never 
have to haul anything longer than the SD or SDL, ever a 21' wouldn't 
go amiss. But that's just my view. Told you it wouldn't help much.


The winch I can help with. My son-in-law had a 9000lb winch that was 
mounted so that it could be slid into a 2 receiver hitch on the back or 
front of his pickup. Yeah he had one on the front as well as the back. I 
guess that way it wouldn't matter which way he wanted to haul a trailer 
or how he got stuck. There were also plug in points to plug the power 
cables in. I made him a receiver that was welded onto the trailer tongue 
so that all he had to do was slide the winch in there put in the pin, 
plug it in on the back of the truck and away you go.  One winch that can 
be used anywhere there is a 2 receiver and a 12v power plug. Course I 
guess you could also make some long jumper cables to go from the winch 
all the way up to the battery and that way you can use the winch on any 
 vehicle. Any which way you will need to use some heavy cable to run a 
good sized winch.


Manfred





Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 20:02:58 -0800 (PST)
From: Christopher McCann xtofer1...@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] TRAILER  block heater for Chris

OK guys, I've revised my criteria. No home made, must have title
 (usually the home made ones are the ones w/o title), must have ramps 
and be

 very beefy...and no damage (I've seen several damaged trailers
 cheap...don't want a trailer that swerves all over).What do y'all 
suggest as a minimum length? I would think that an

 SDL/SEL would be the longest thing hauled.

If there is no winch, where do you mount one? A lot of the winches seem
 to be 2,000 lb...a W126 is heavier than that and a 116 300SD is
 probably even heavier...will a 3,000 lb. winch do the job?

Chris

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Re: [MBZ] TRAILER block heater for Chris

2009-01-15 Thread R A Bennell
I think people use the front receiver mount because they find it easier to 
maneuver  a trailer driving forward
rather than trying to back up. I have never tried it myself and it does not 
sound like it would be that much
better. I suppose it might give a tighter turning circle given the front wheels 
of the vehicle would turn quicker
than the back end. Sort of the reverse of a boat which essentially steers from 
the back rather than the front as
with a car.

Randy

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] TRAILER  block heater for Chris


Can't help you much with the length other then to say that after looking
into my future prognosticator and seeing that you will definitely never
have to haul anything longer than the SD or SDL, ever a 21' wouldn't
go amiss. But that's just my view. Told you it wouldn't help much.

The winch I can help with. My son-in-law had a 9000lb winch that was
mounted so that it could be slid into a 2 receiver hitch on the back or
front of his pickup. Yeah he had one on the front as well as the back. I
guess that way it wouldn't matter which way he wanted to haul a trailer
or how he got stuck. There were also plug in points to plug the power
cables in. I made him a receiver that was welded onto the trailer tongue
so that all he had to do was slide the winch in there put in the pin,
plug it in on the back of the truck and away you go.  One winch that can
be used anywhere there is a 2 receiver and a 12v power plug. Course I
guess you could also make some long jumper cables to go from the winch
all the way up to the battery and that way you can use the winch on any
  vehicle. Any which way you will need to use some heavy cable to run a
good sized winch.

Manfred





Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 20:02:58 -0800 (PST)
From: Christopher McCann xtofer1...@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] TRAILER  block heater for Chris

OK guys, I've revised my criteria. No home made, must have title
  (usually the home made ones are the ones w/o title), must have ramps
and be
  very beefy...and no damage (I've seen several damaged trailers
  cheap...don't want a trailer that swerves all over).What do y'all
suggest as a minimum length? I would think that an
  SDL/SEL would be the longest thing hauled.

If there is no winch, where do you mount one? A lot of the winches seem
  to be 2,000 lb...a W126 is heavier than that and a 116 300SD is
  probably even heavier...will a 3,000 lb. winch do the job?

Chris

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Re: [MBZ] OT: ISP doesn't support Linux

2009-01-15 Thread Redghost
Leopard kills you airport, so unless it is the OS that came with your  
machine, avoid it.  Could be that it just hates airport (wi-fi) on the  
non intel chips


clay

On Jan 14, 2009, at 11:26 AM, tyler wrote:

Leopard is more bloated with useless features and fancy graphics  
effects, but it's also much more optimized for intel macs. I think  
it runs noticeably faster than Tiger on my intel macbook laptop, but  
noticeably slower than Tiger on my old PowerMac G4 desktop.


I'd stay with Tiger on a PowerPC, but go with Leopard on Intel  
personally...


Tyler

Curt Raymond wrote:
Leopard (10.5) is a dog, nearest thing to Vista the Mac OS has had  
in a long time...
OS 10.4 (Tiger) is pretty great. Really anything 10.3 (Panther) and  
later should be totally adequate for a casual user. 10.2 (Jaguar)  
was fine but 10.3 is faster...


OS 9 I don't even want to think about anymore.

-Curt



Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 13:41:13 -0500
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: ISP doesn't support Linux
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Thanks.  I'm slowly beginning to get a handle on all the different  
type of Macs.  Might just go the refurb route since they aren't a  
whole lot more expensive than plain used.  Will probably order  
first of next month.


Question:  From what I understand Lepard is the latest OS.   
Should I order that as well or will the installed OS be  
satisfactory for what I want to do?

Gerry


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Re: [MBZ] Alpine CD Changer / Bose for Acura

2009-01-15 Thread Bill R
I was wandering in the Viet Vets store today and noticed a Bose radio/cd
player for Acura - $3.95.  Looked OK, but no way to tell.  I would assume
that one would need to speakers and whatever else to make it decent [if it
does work]. Anyone interested?
BillR

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On Behalf Of LarryT
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Subject: [MBZ] Alpine CD Changer

Hi Gang -
I installed a Alpine CHM-600 CD Changer in the trunk of my 91 300D a 
couple of years ago and got a lot of very helpful advice from the list 
(THX!).

I'm considering a spare and seems like I recall Kaleb or ?? saying once 
I have the MB interface from Rusty, I can use any of the Alpine CHM series -

uch as the CHM 625 or 630.

Is that the case (can't trust my memory anymore)  --  Is there any 
significant difference between the different CHM models?

Thanks again - ya'll have helped me more than I've helped you!!

Sincerely,
Larry T  (74 911, 91 300D 2.5T)
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Re: [MBZ] Strange 500SE Smoke Problem

2009-01-15 Thread Mathieu J . Cama

John, et al,

Very common for the tail seal on the brake master to fail and allow 
brake fluid to get sucked into the booster. The booster is always under 
vacuum (when motor is running) and thus a weak tail seal will easily 
pass fluid. Eventually the brake fluid eats out the diaphragm in the 
booster if left unattended for too long.


A faulty rear flex line will not cause smoke unless the rotor and brake 
pads are saturated with fluid and you are driving the car like a 
racecar. Generally not a good mix.


To diagnose: Remove the brake booster vac. supply line from the booster 
(be careful as they are often brittle from heat cycling and age) and 
insert a thin proboscis (MB hard vac. line works great for this if it 
is not brittle) into the booster and see if it comes back wet. If so, 
replace or rebuild the master cylinder and suck out the booster with 
your MityVac. If the brakes make a whooshing sound in the cabin when 
you hit the pedal or worse, a constant hiss from the pedal block area, 
replace the booster. It is not a bad job, just the part is expensive.



While we are on about brakes here is a PSA for everyone... if your 
brake flex lines are original, replace them all. These things have a 
usable life of about 10-15 years. All to often I come across cars with 
the original brake flex lines. The '59 220s I did a few months ago had 
its original lines. 49 year old flex lines! The 230sl I'm working on at 
the moment had lines date stamped 1980. Most w123, w126, w114/5, r/c107 
I see still have the original lines in them. The rears like to dry rot 
at the caliper and eventually burst. If yours are original or showing 
signs of dry rot, replace them now, do not wait for them to fail as it 
could be yours or someone else's life. It is relatively inexpensive and 
simple to do when performing a brake fluid service (recommended every 
two years at minimum). Brakes are not a place to scrimp with the 
dollar. I personally prefer MB genuine flex lines, but FTEs and ATEs 
have proven to be reliable. For brake fluid, I only use ATE SuperBlue 
in my personal and customer cars. It only takes one instance of boiled 
brake fluid to make one a believer in the Blue.




Welcome to the Euro m117 club, John. They are wonderful machines. Also, 
if tuned properly, they make the US spec 560 seem weak in comparison!


Mathieu

'84 500sel AMG
'85 500sel with full hydromat
'86 500sl ECE (contemplating selling)

On Jan 15, 2009, at 4:30 PM, John Robbins wrote:


Mathieu J. Cama wrote:
Also, check to see if the brake booster is filled with fluid. The 
downhill angle and white smoke point towards that as a potential 
cause. Brake fluid will smoke like ATF. Voluminous smoke and a smell 
that is unique when burned.


Good idea! Kaleb says the rear brake line is leaking, but maybe it is 
the master cylinder instead?  The smoke was coming out of the 
tailpipe, and I don't think a leaky brake line would do that.


John


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[MBZ] anyone recommend a good AM radio for the car?

2009-01-15 Thread Allan Streib
AM seems to be an afterthought on most car radios -- can anyone
recommend one that has particularly good AM reception?  I like to listen
to a couple of Chicago stations which is perfectly possible here most of
the time but my current radio does a pretty poor job.

Allan
--
1983 300D


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