subject:"\\\[mythtv\\\-users\\\] Live TV"


 I do feel that an option 'Delete LiveTV Recordings when changing
 channel' would be useful for many people.

Yep,
I already suggested changing the resolution of  the setting
Keep LiveTVthis long to hours instead of days, but there
were no comments on that.

I also tried to ask what the point was keeping the old LiveTV
recordings  around just in case  I am missing some nice feature
here, but was also there greeted with silence

As it doesn't change any logic in Myth the patch is trivial
and even I can do it if anyone is interested.

Dag

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Re: [mythtv-users] Live TV recording as if it was a scheduled recording

2006-01-14 Thread Johan Venter

Dag Nygren wrote:
 As it doesn't change any logic in Myth the patch is trivial
 and even I can do it if anyone is interested.

As it doesn't make any difference to whether your disk fills up quicker 
  what is the point?

LiveTV recordings are automatically expired to make way for scheduled 
shows and to keep the minimum amount of disk space specified free  
I don't understand why so many people are complaining about this?

MythTV is a PVR and should treat your hardware as such. This is the way 
PVRs work.

The only change that anyone will notice with the extra recordings is the 
added functionality of having the LiveTV recording group, and possibly 
an average over-all increase in disk usage (which if you are not 
recording anything shouldn't change, and if you are will keep increasing 
as per usual).

Set it up properly and it shouldn't cause you any grief. It seems a lot 
of people are having a conceptual problem here.

Johan
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Re: [mythtv-users] Live TV recording as if it was a scheduled recording

2006-01-14 Thread Johan Venter

Dag Nygren wrote:
Theres no need for it, all those little files can be hidden from view by 
default and get deleted when room is needed automatically.
 
 
 I stil would like to be able to use df to find out how much space
 I have left on the disk.

I can assure you the LiveTV re-write has not changed the functionality 
of the df utility.

What you really want to do is gauge how much space is being used by 
MythTV, not how much space is left on the disk.

Setup your minimum free space parameter and you will *know* how much 
space is available for new recordings.

Hell, set it to bigger than your disk size and Myth will be deleting 
LiveTV stuff every time the auto-expire runs.

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Re: [mythtv-users] Live TV recording as if it was a sc heduled recording


 Theres no need for it, all those little files can be hidden from view by 
 default and get deleted when room is needed automatically.

I stil would like to be able to use df to find out how much space
I have left on the disk.

Dag

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Re: [mythtv-users] Live TV recording as if it was a scheduled recording

 Dag Nygren wrote:
 Theres no need for it, all those little files can be hidden from view by 
 default and get deleted when room is needed automatically.
  
  
  I stil would like to be able to use df to find out how much space
  I have left on the disk.
 
 I can assure you the LiveTV re-write has not changed the functionality 
 of the df utility.

As I also use the same box as a download repository I REALLY
want to know how much space I have left on the disk when
ssh:ing into it.

Why can't you guys get off your high horses and
see that your precious PVR box really might/can 
do other things too and start listening and getting constructive
instead of flaming anyone that has a different opinion than you.
We do have brains too, you know.

 What you really want to do is gauge how much space is being used by 
 MythTV, not how much space is left on the disk.

No, not really. What I want is to share the space between MythTV
and other applications.

 Setup your minimum free space parameter and you will *know* how much 
 space is available for new recordings.

Not. As there will be more space available when the LiveTV stuff is included.

 Hell, set it to bigger than your disk size and Myth will be deleting 
 LiveTV stuff every time the auto-expire runs.

That will also kill other recordings that are marked for autoexpire.

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Re: [mythtv-users] Live TV recording as if it was a scheduled recording

 Dag Nygren wrote:
  As it doesn't change any logic in Myth the patch is trivial
  and even I can do it if anyone is interested.

 The only change that anyone will notice with the extra recordings is the 
 added functionality of having the LiveTV recording group, and possibly 
 an average over-all increase in disk usage (which if you are not 
 recording anything shouldn't change, and if you are will keep increasing 
 as per usual).

And once more I will ask:
What is that extra functionality??? I really want to know!

Dag


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Re: [mythtv-users] Live TV recording as if it was a scheduled recording

2006-01-14 Thread John Andersen

On 1/13/06, Steve Adeff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  I do feel that an option 'Delete LiveTV Recordings when changing
  channel' would be useful for many people.
 
  Chris

 Theres no need for it, all those little files can be hidden from view by
 default and get deleted when room is needed automatically.

 --
 Steve

Just more crap to back up, requiring larger backup
devices, and wade thru while looking for something.

There is no defensible reason to fill a disk with trash
just because you can delete it later when you need room.

Some times people want room for other short term
projects without having to hunt up all their ring buffers
and delete them.

I would have though that it was becoming obvious
by following a few of these threads that this is
a very unpopular feature.

Whats wrong with switch to delete after channel
change?

--
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Re: [mythtv-users] Live TV recording as if it was a scheduled recording

2006-01-14 Thread Michael T. Dean

Dag Nygren wrote:
 I do feel that an option 'Delete LiveTV Recordings when changing
 channel' would be useful for many people.
 
 Yep,
 I already suggested changing the resolution of  the setting
 Keep LiveTVthis long to hours instead of days, but there
 were no comments on that.

 I also tried to ask what the point was keeping the old LiveTV
 recordings  around just in case  I am missing some nice feature
 here, but was also there greeted with silence
   
Does this silence include the 6 posts from Isaac alone on this thread 
you started?

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/167388?167388

(It's hard to exaggerate when there's an archive of the list.)  Well, 
since all you heard was silence, I can only assume you were blatantly 
ignoring the posts that answered your questions.  (I must be a slow 
learner, because here I am responding to one of your posts--even though 
it seems you'll ignore my response.)
 As it doesn't change any logic in Myth the patch is trivial
 and even I can do it if anyone is interested.
Yes, I'm interested.  Please write the patch, apply it to your own 
builds of MythTV, and end this discussion.

Isaac has made it clear that such patches will not be applied to the 
main branch, so if you really think you need this functionality, you can 
maintain it yourself.  If it's really so trivial, it won't be a problem 
for you (and, every post you continue to make on this subject is that 
much less time you can spend writing the trivial patch for your 
install of Myth).

Mike
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Re: [mythtv-users] Live TV recording as if it was a scheduled recording

Dag,

The best way to get *around* this issue is to have a dedicated
partition for the myth recordings. That way, the old livetv files will
be deleted much faster. You can keep your programs, archives, dvds,
movies, downloads, torrents, etc on a separate partition(s). AFAIK,
you can set the directory paths in the myth setup. Its little pain in
the behind to setup separate partition, but atleast you will not boil
your blood everytime you see gigabytes of livetv buffer sitting around
on your precious disk space.

Also, this is more like a developer's project. The developer(s)
dictate which features are needed and how it should be implemented.
Always keep that in mind, it helps to lower your blood pressure. I've
found many work arounds in mythtv to keep my cool :-)

In the end, if you dont like the way mythtv works, you are most
welcome to try other alternatives, such as Freevo, VDR (very light
weight), etc etc. I've just started looking at the VDR, its very light
weight and does only thing :-)

Thanks

Mudit



On 1/14/06, Michael T. Dean [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Dag Nygren wrote:
  I do feel that an option 'Delete LiveTV Recordings when changing
  channel' would be useful for many people.
 
  Yep,
  I already suggested changing the resolution of  the setting
  Keep LiveTVthis long to hours instead of days, but there
  were no comments on that.
 
  I also tried to ask what the point was keeping the old LiveTV
  recordings  around just in case  I am missing some nice feature
  here, but was also there greeted with silence
 
 Does this silence include the 6 posts from Isaac alone on this thread
 you started?

 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/167388?167388

 (It's hard to exaggerate when there's an archive of the list.)  Well,
 since all you heard was silence, I can only assume you were blatantly
 ignoring the posts that answered your questions.  (I must be a slow
 learner, because here I am responding to one of your posts--even though
 it seems you'll ignore my response.)
  As it doesn't change any logic in Myth the patch is trivial
  and even I can do it if anyone is interested.
 Yes, I'm interested.  Please write the patch, apply it to your own
 builds of MythTV, and end this discussion.

 Isaac has made it clear that such patches will not be applied to the
 main branch, so if you really think you need this functionality, you can
 maintain it yourself.  If it's really so trivial, it won't be a problem
 for you (and, every post you continue to make on this subject is that
 much less time you can spend writing the trivial patch for your
 install of Myth).

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Re: [mythtv-users] Live TV recording as if it was a scheduled recording

 Dag Nygren wrote:
  I do feel that an option 'Delete LiveTV Recordings when changing
  channel' would be useful for many people.
  
  Yep,
  I already suggested changing the resolution of  the setting
  Keep LiveTVthis long to hours instead of days, but there
  were no comments on that.
 
  I also tried to ask what the point was keeping the old LiveTV
  recordings  around just in case  I am missing some nice feature
  here, but was also there greeted with silence

 Does this silence include the 6 posts from Isaac alone on this thread 
 you started?
 
 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/167388?167388
 

I still cannot find an answer to the question:
What are the features we gain here?
not even rereading  those answers three times.


 (It's hard to exaggerate when there's an archive of the list.)  Well, 
 since all you heard was silence, I can only assume you were blatantly 
 ignoring the posts that answered your questions.  (I must be a slow 
 learner, because here I am responding to one of your posts--even though 
 it seems you'll ignore my response.)
  As it doesn't change any logic in Myth the patch is trivial
  and even I can do it if anyone is interested.
 Yes, I'm interested.  Please write the patch, apply it to your own 
 builds of MythTV, and end this discussion.
 
 Isaac has made it clear that such patches will not be applied to the 
 main branch, so if you really think you need this functionality, you can 
 maintain it yourself.  If it's really so trivial, it won't be a problem 
 for you (and, every post you continue to make on this subject is that 
 much less time you can spend writing the trivial patch for your 
 install of Myth).

:-))
Dag

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Re: [mythtv-users] Live TV recording as if it was a scheduled recording

John Andersen wrote:
 On 1/13/06, Steve Adeff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
   
 I do feel that an option 'Delete LiveTV Recordings when changing
 channel' would be useful for many people.

 Chris
   
 Theres no need for it, all those little files can be hidden from view by
 default and get deleted when room is needed automatically.

 --
 Steve
 

 Just more crap to back up, requiring larger backup
 devices, and wade thru while looking for something.

 There is no defensible reason to fill a disk with trash
 just because you can delete it later when you need room.

 Some times people want room for other short term
 projects without having to hunt up all their ring buffers
 and delete them.

 I would have though that it was becoming obvious
 by following a few of these threads that this is
 a very unpopular feature.

 Whats wrong with switch to delete after channel
 change?
   
Perhaps nothing, but then, no one has submitted such a patch.  I would 
venture that most working on this project do not use their myth boxes or 
specifically, their media partitions, for anything other than Myth so 
the complaints of filling the disk and/or space consumption are 
irrelevant.  MythTV does a perfectly good job of managing that disk, 
freeing space when needed, and it even has settings for you to use that 
will reserve disk space and never touch it if you do happen to need it 
for other projects.  For all the complaints prior to this change about 
why Myth can't save an in progress recording, when the solution is 
implemented, it simply garners more complaints which I can only imagine 
frustrates those who spent their time working on this at the request of 
users who asked for it.

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Re: [mythtv-users] Live TV recording as if it was a scheduled recording

Dag Nygren wrote:
 Theres no need for it, all those little files can be hidden from view by 
 default and get deleted when room is needed automatically.
 

 I stil would like to be able to use df to find out how much space
 I have left on the disk.
   
This always makes me ask...why?  With your auto-expiration options set 
(unless you never expire anything), Myth will perfectly manage your 
space to make sure it removes old shows to make room for new.  LiveTV 
will be expired before anything else so it is irrelevant when 
calculating space as it will be automatically removed when needed.  
I'd spend a little more time configuring your expiration rules to match 
your viewing behavior and a little less time worrying about the physical 
disk space because the system is designed to manage that for you. 

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Re: [mythtv-users] Live TV recording as if it was a scheduled recording

 Dag,
 
 The best way to get *around* this issue is to have a dedicated
 partition for the myth recordings. That way, the old livetv files will
 be deleted much faster. You can keep your programs, archives, dvds,
 movies, downloads, torrents, etc on a separate partition(s). AFAIK,
 you can set the directory paths in the myth setup. Its little pain in
 the behind to setup separate partition, but atleast you will not boil
 your blood everytime you see gigabytes of livetv buffer sitting around
 on your precious disk space.

Thanks for the tip,
but this just doesn't work.
The main disk space is needed by two things: MythTV and ie. a downloaded
stream from my Digital video camera.
The problem is that MythTV should be given as much as possible 
when it is not needed by the digicam, but when I need the space
I need it. 
Putting these on different partitions will not share the space available.

 Also, this is more like a developer's project. The developer(s)
 dictate which features are needed and how it should be implemented.
 Always keep that in mind, it helps to lower your blood pressure. I've
 found many work arounds in mythtv to keep my cool :-)
 
 In the end, if you dont like the way mythtv works, you are most
 welcome to try other alternatives, such as Freevo, VDR (very light
 weight), etc etc. I've just started looking at the VDR, its very light
 weight and does only thing :-)

I do like most of the way that MythTV do things. That is why I am
sticking with it. What I don't like is the attitude on this list from
certain people.

Your response is a good example of a creative respons and IMHO 
the way a list should work so thanks for that.

Dag

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Re: [mythtv-users] Live TV recording as if it was a scheduled recording

Dag Nygren wrote:
 Dag Nygren wrote:
 
 I do feel that an option 'Delete LiveTV Recordings when changing
 channel' would be useful for many people.
 
 
 Yep,
 I already suggested changing the resolution of  the setting
 Keep LiveTVthis long to hours instead of days, but there
 were no comments on that.

 I also tried to ask what the point was keeping the old LiveTV
 recordings  around just in case  I am missing some nice feature
 here, but was also there greeted with silence
   
   
 Does this silence include the 6 posts from Isaac alone on this thread 
 you started?

 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/167388?167388

 

 I still cannot find an answer to the question:
 What are the features we gain here?
 not even rereading  those answers three times.
   
Here's one.  You're surfing, you watch a show, catch the last 5 
minutes.  The show changes to a movie, you watch 2/3 of the movie and 
fall asleep because you were so tired from working your day job.  You 
wake up, groggy, exit LiveTV, go to bed.  You wake up and wish man, I 
would love to watch the end of that movie I missed.

BAM

There it is, in the saved LiveTV buffer waiting for you to move it to 
another recording group for safe keeping. 

Is that enough of a reason for you?  

Fact is, the product is designed to be used as a dedicated PVR.  If you 
are choosing to use your disk space for other things, then that's fine, 
but it is unlikely that feature creep will occur enhancing just your 
ability to do that.  Myth already has settings for reserving X amount of 
disk space which should be enough to give you a comfort zone for your 
other activities on the partition.  While you might not think one more 
checkbox or a few lines of code matter, each one adds a tiny bit to the 
clutter and complexity of the system and sometimes, it is better to 
leave it out when already existing features can meet the same need.

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Re: [mythtv-users] Live TV recording as if it was a scheduled recording

Dag Nygren wrote:
 Dag,

 The best way to get *around* this issue is to have a dedicated
 partition for the myth recordings. That way, the old livetv files will
 be deleted much faster. You can keep your programs, archives, dvds,
 movies, downloads, torrents, etc on a separate partition(s). AFAIK,
 you can set the directory paths in the myth setup. Its little pain in
 the behind to setup separate partition, but atleast you will not boil
 your blood everytime you see gigabytes of livetv buffer sitting around
 on your precious disk space.
 

 Thanks for the tip,
 but this just doesn't work.
 The main disk space is needed by two things: MythTV and ie. a downloaded
 stream from my Digital video camera.
 The problem is that MythTV should be given as much as possible 
 when it is not needed by the digicam, but when I need the space
 I need it. 
 Putting these on different partitions will not share the space available.
   
Myth will expire programs as you fill the disk regardless of the 
source.  Set your autoexpire check time low and I don't believe you 
could fill the disk fast enough to beat the expiration.  All you're 
really arguing about is your desire to expire things yourself which is 
just silly.  Myth will do it for you.  Let it.

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Re: [mythtv-users] Live TV recording as if it was a scheduled recording

 Dag Nygren wrote:
  Theres no need for it, all those little files can be hidden from view by 
  default and get deleted when room is needed automatically.
  
 
  I stil would like to be able to use df to find out how much space
  I have left on the disk.

 This always makes me ask...why?  With your auto-expiration options set 
 (unless you never expire anything), Myth will perfectly manage your 
 space to make sure it removes old shows to make room for new.  LiveTV 
 will be expired before anything else so it is irrelevant when 
 calculating space as it will be automatically removed when needed.  
 I'd spend a little more time configuring your expiration rules to match 
 your viewing behavior and a little less time worrying about the physical 
 disk space because the system is designed to manage that for you. 

I see your point and after Isaac's explanation some time ago I know that
it is close to what I want, but I still want to know how much of the Digicam
stuff I can download to the disk before I start doing it. Preferably without 
expiring my recorded auto-expirable shows.

Dag


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Re: [mythtv-users] Live TV recording as if it was a scheduled recording


  Whats wrong with switch to delete after channel
  change?

 Perhaps nothing, but then, no one has submitted such a patch.  I would 
 venture that most working on this project do not use their myth boxes or 
 specifically, their media partitions, for anything other than Myth so 
 the complaints of filling the disk and/or space consumption are 
 irrelevant.  MythTV does a perfectly good job of managing that disk, 
 freeing space when needed, and it even has settings for you to use that 
 will reserve disk space and never touch it if you do happen to need it 
 for other projects.  For all the complaints prior to this change about 
 why Myth can't save an in progress recording, when the solution is 
 implemented, it simply garners more complaints which I can only imagine 
 frustrates those who spent their time working on this at the request of 
 users who asked for it.

That patch is perhaps not trivial as there might be timing issues
involved when switching shows (this is already a problem), but
setting the time limit with hour resolution is probably a lot easier.

Reserving space is not good as Myth just might need that space
at a time when it is not needed for other projects.

And I completely agree with the idea of being able to save a complete
show by pressing record, but is there any use for the older  LiveTV recordings 
?

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Re: [mythtv-users] Live TV recording as if it was a scheduled recording


  I still cannot find an answer to the question:
  What are the features we gain here?
  not even rereading  those answers three times.

 Here's one.  You're surfing, you watch a show, catch the last 5 
 minutes.  The show changes to a movie, you watch 2/3 of the movie and 
 fall asleep because you were so tired from working your day job.  You 
 wake up, groggy, exit LiveTV, go to bed.  You wake up and wish man, I 
 would love to watch the end of that movie I missed.

I see,

I don't have this habit, so it didn't occur to me, but thanks
for the answer. This is really all I have been asking for all the
time (Yes, you can check the archives ;-) )

 Is that enough of a reason for you?  

Well, I don't need it, but I am sure it is enough.
Just wish this feature would be optional.

 Fact is, the product is designed to be used as a dedicated PVR.  If you 
 are choosing to use your disk space for other things, then that's fine, 
 but it is unlikely that feature creep will occur enhancing just your 
 ability to do that. 

Changing the scale of that timer value from days to hours is hardly feature
creep.

 Myth already has settings for reserving X amount of 
 disk space which should be enough to give you a comfort zone for your 
 other activities on the partition.  While you might not think one more 
 checkbox or a few lines of code matter, each one adds a tiny bit to the 
 clutter and complexity of the system and sometimes, it is better to 
 leave it out when already existing features can meet the same need.

The MythVideo plugin just asks for the usage in my earlier postings
though.

Dag

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Re: [mythtv-users] Live TV recording as if it was a scheduled recording

 Dag Nygren wrote:

  Thanks for the tip,
  but this just doesn't work.
  The main disk space is needed by two things: MythTV and ie. a downloaded
  stream from my Digital video camera.
  The problem is that MythTV should be given as much as possible 
  when it is not needed by the digicam, but when I need the space
  I need it. 
  Putting these on different partitions will not share the space available.

 Myth will expire programs as you fill the disk regardless of the 
 source.  Set your autoexpire check time low and I don't believe you 
 could fill the disk fast enough to beat the expiration.  All you're 
 really arguing about is your desire to expire things yourself which is 
 just silly.  Myth will do it for you.  Let it.

I just want to know in advance it I need to find some other space for
my big file. The upload can take quite some time; is it so silly trying to
save that first attempt?

Dag

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Re: [mythtv-users] Live TV recording as if it was a scheduled

2006-01-14 Thread Chris Pinkham

 I see your point and after Isaac's explanation some time ago I know that
 it is close to what I want, but I still want to know how much of the Digicam
 stuff I can download to the disk before I start doing it. Preferably without 
 expiring my recorded auto-expirable shows.

Then maybe you should spend your time writing a patch that's been on my TODO
list for a while.  I want to add something to the disk space section of the
mythfrontend status page.  Right now it shows how much free space you have
available and estimates how much recording time you have left.  I want to
add code to display how much space could be freed by autoexpiring LiveTV and
normal recordings, so you can see how much true disk space you have and an
estimate of the (estimated) true recording time you have left based on that.

-- 
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Re: [mythtv-users] Live TV recording as if it was a scheduled

2006-01-14 Thread Chris Pinkham

 And I completely agree with the idea of being able to save a complete
 show by pressing record, but is there any use for the older  LiveTV 
 recordings 

You can already set the expiration of LiveTV recordings to happen 24 hours
later, how much LiveTV can you watch in a day?  So if you don't see a need
for recordings older than 24 hours, then set Myth to delete them automatically.

-- 
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Re: [mythtv-users] Live TV recording as if it was a scheduled recording

2006-01-14 Thread Tom E. Craddock Jr.

Dag Nygren wrote:
Dag,

The best way to get *around* this issue is to have a dedicated
partition for the myth recordings. That way, the old livetv files will
be deleted much faster. You can keep your programs, archives, dvds,
movies, downloads, torrents, etc on a separate partition(s). AFAIK,
you can set the directory paths in the myth setup. Its little pain in
the behind to setup separate partition, but atleast you will not boil
your blood everytime you see gigabytes of livetv buffer sitting around
on your precious disk space.
 
 
 Thanks for the tip,
 but this just doesn't work.
 The main disk space is needed by two things: MythTV and ie. a downloaded
 stream from my Digital video camera.
 The problem is that MythTV should be given as much as possible 
 when it is not needed by the digicam, but when I need the space
 I need it. 
 Putting these on different partitions will not share the space available.
 
 
Also, this is more like a developer's project. The developer(s)
dictate which features are needed and how it should be implemented.
Always keep that in mind, it helps to lower your blood pressure. I've
found many work arounds in mythtv to keep my cool :-)

In the end, if you dont like the way mythtv works, you are most
welcome to try other alternatives, such as Freevo, VDR (very light
weight), etc etc. I've just started looking at the VDR, its very light
weight and does only thing :-)
 
 
 I do like most of the way that MythTV do things. That is why I am
 sticking with it. What I don't like is the attitude on this list from
 certain people.
 
 Your response is a good example of a creative respons and IMHO 
 the way a list should work so thanks for that.
 
 Dag
 
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Then leave.  The HNIC (thats head nigga in charge) replied to you and 
gave you the answer.  How is it his fault you arent 'creative'...scratch 
that, smart enough to understand?



Heres a quote:

  On Wednesday 14 December 2005 17:15, Joseph A. Caputo wrote:
 Sounds to me like maybe this isn't a dedicated Myth box and/or he
 doesn't have a separate disk/partition for Myth recordings. In which
 case, I say either bump up the amount of free space for Myth to honor,
 or get another disk.
 
 Right - and as long as the backend is running, it will autoexpire things if
 _anything_ else wants the disk space.
 
 Isaac



Issac said right there that as long as the backend is running, it will 
autexpire the space if ANYTHING wants it.  Not just mythtv.

Youre problem seems to be worrying about some other app using the same 
box and needing space.  Youve been answered.

Tom
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Re: [mythtv-users] Live TV recording as if it was a scheduled

  I see your point and after Isaac's explanation some time ago I know that
  it is close to what I want, but I still want to know how much of the Digicam
  stuff I can download to the disk before I start doing it. Preferably 
  without 
  expiring my recorded auto-expirable shows.
 
 Then maybe you should spend your time writing a patch that's been on my TODO
 list for a while.  I want to add something to the disk space section of the
 mythfrontend status page.  Right now it shows how much free space you have
 available and estimates how much recording time you have left.  I want to
 add code to display how much space could be freed by autoexpiring LiveTV and
 normal recordings, so you can see how much true disk space you have and an
 estimate of the (estimated) true recording time you have left based on that.

This sounds interesting and would help a lot.
I might take a shot at it next week.

'df' would wtill do the trick though ;-)

Dag

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Re: [mythtv-users] Live TV recording as if it was a scheduled recording

 Dag Nygren wrote:

 Then leave.  The HNIC (thats head nigga in charge) replied to you and 
 gave you the answer.  How is it his fault you arent 'creative'...scratch 
 that, smart enough to understand?

It does seem I have a problem expressing myself as only 
Chris Pinkham has understood what I am looking for
so far:

A method to tell how much stuff I can dump on the disk until
it is full without expiring semi-important shows that are marked
autoexpire.

 Issac said right there that as long as the backend is running, it will 
 autexpire the space if ANYTHING wants it.  Not just mythtv.

Yes, that is not the problem. Telling in advance how much it will
expire is.

 Youre problem seems to be worrying about some other app using the same 
 box and needing space.  Youve been answered.

Thanks, master. ;-)

Dag


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Re: [mythtv-users] Live TV recording as if it was a scheduled

  And I completely agree with the idea of being able to save a complete
  show by pressing record, but is there any use for the older  LiveTV 
  recordings 
 
 You can already set the expiration of LiveTV recordings to happen 24 hours
 later, how much LiveTV can you watch in a day?  So if you don't see a need
 for recordings older than 24 hours, then set Myth to delete them 
 automatically.

Already did that. 
And you would be surprised how much disk space can be filled up
by kids/wife leaving liveTV on for 24 hours.

Dag


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Re: [mythtv-users] Live TV recording as if it was a scheduled recording

On 1/14/06, Dag Nygren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Dag,
 
  The best way to get *around* this issue is to have a dedicated
  partition for the myth recordings. That way, the old livetv files will
  be deleted much faster. You can keep your programs, archives, dvds,
  movies, downloads, torrents, etc on a separate partition(s). AFAIK,
  you can set the directory paths in the myth setup. Its little pain in
  the behind to setup separate partition, but atleast you will not boil
  your blood everytime you see gigabytes of livetv buffer sitting around
  on your precious disk space.

 Thanks for the tip,
 but this just doesn't work.
 The main disk space is needed by two things: MythTV and ie. a downloaded
 stream from my Digital video camera.
 The problem is that MythTV should be given as much as possible
 when it is not needed by the digicam, but when I need the space
 I need it.
 Putting these on different partitions will not share the space available.

  Also, this is more like a developer's project. The developer(s)
  dictate which features are needed and how it should be implemented.
  Always keep that in mind, it helps to lower your blood pressure. I've
  found many work arounds in mythtv to keep my cool :-)
 
  In the end, if you dont like the way mythtv works, you are most
  welcome to try other alternatives, such as Freevo, VDR (very light
  weight), etc etc. I've just started looking at the VDR, its very light
  weight and does only thing :-)

 I do like most of the way that MythTV do things. That is why I am
 sticking with it. What I don't like is the attitude on this list from
 certain people.

You have not seen the attitude yet :-) Search the archives for the F*
word and you will find some gems :-)

The koolaid is too srong here and if you are not drinking the same
koolaid, you are ostracised. I just use myth as a DVR and I like the
EPG. My linuxbox records the shows, commercial cuts and does mpeg2 to
mpeg4 via mencoder. My headless box sits in garage.  I'm streaming the
record shows to a network dvd player (IOData LinkPlayer2) using UPnP
wizd server which runs on the linux box. If I say anything more about
my setup, the koolaid gang will come after me and try to punish me for
not using a *proper mythfrontend* for viewing my myth recorded shows
:-)

 Your response is a good example of a creative respons and IMHO
 the way a list should work so thanks for that.

 Dag

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Re: [mythtv-users] Live TV recording as if it was a scheduled

2006-01-14 Thread Chris Pinkham

 It does seem I have a problem expressing myself as only 
 Chris Pinkham has understood what I am looking for
 so far:
 
 A method to tell how much stuff I can dump on the disk until
 it is full without expiring semi-important shows that are marked
 autoexpire.

I think the information you are looking for is already there
in the AutoExpire List section on the status page.  If you
cursor right when on AutoExpire List, you'll see detailed information
at the top of the page which includes the total number of recordings
that can be expired as well as the disk space they are consuming.
I calculate the total number of LiveTV recordings and their disk
space in the code but evidently forgot to display it, so I just
committed that change to SVN.

 Yes, that is not the problem. Telling in advance how much it will
 expire is.

So, this is already visible from the status page and if you update
to SVN HEAD, you can see how much of that used space is taken up by
LiveTV recordings.

-- 
Chris Pinkham

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Re: [mythtv-users] Live TV recording as if it was a scheduled


 
 I think the information you are looking for is already there
 in the AutoExpire List section on the status page.  If you
 cursor right when on AutoExpire List, you'll see detailed information
 at the top of the page which includes the total number of recordings
 that can be expired as well as the disk space they are consuming.
 I calculate the total number of LiveTV recordings and their disk
 space in the code but evidently forgot to display it, so I just
 committed that change to SVN.
 
  Yes, that is not the problem. Telling in advance how much it will
  expire is.
 
 So, this is already visible from the status page and if you update
 to SVN HEAD, you can see how much of that used space is taken up by
 LiveTV recordings.

OK,

this update will solve my problem, at least partially ;-)

I still have to get this done through my ssh connection to the box,
but as I was also looking into the problem here I alrady figured out 
that the SQL command to use is:

select sum(filesize) from recorded WHERE hostname IN (LIST OF TVBOXNAMES) 
AND recgroup=LiveTV;

(Does that look right?)

Just have to write a script which sutracts this value from the df output
I guess.

But thanks a lot Chris for helping out /understanding the problem/arguing 
about this!
Restores my faith in the Open Source community

Dag

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Re: [mythtv-users] Live TV recording as if it was a scheduled recording

Mudit Wahal wrote:
 The koolaid is too srong here and if you are not drinking the same
 koolaid, you are ostracised. I just use myth as a DVR and I like the
 EPG. My linuxbox records the shows, commercial cuts and does mpeg2 to
 mpeg4 via mencoder. My headless box sits in garage.  I'm streaming the
 record shows to a network dvd player (IOData LinkPlayer2) using UPnP
 wizd server which runs on the linux box. If I say anything more about
 my setup, the koolaid gang will come after me and try to punish me for
 not using a *proper mythfrontend* for viewing my myth recorded shows
 :-)
   
No, but you might get snapped at for fanning the flames.  In fact, I 
think you would find quite the opposite.  Everyone here is very much 
involved in how to make their boxes better.  I myself am streaming my 
music using UPnP to a HomePod music player in my living room.  Myth 
doesn't always fit every situation but nor should it be crammed into 
every.  Dan has found a way to meet his needs as have you, but you'll 
note both have also been done without adding excess checkboxes and 
infrequently used features to the product.  I think you would also find 
a great deal of interest if someone were to code a UPnP extension to 
Myth (which I believe is what the MFD/MFE part of the codebases are 
destined for).   There is a right way and a wrong way to participate 
with this project.  Unfortunately, too many people think they have the 
best idea since sliced bread or that just one more option won't hurt 
when in reality, it has all been seen before and there has already been 
work done to reduce the confusion of options rather than increase them.

Kevin
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Re: [mythtv-users] Live TV recording as if it was a scheduled recording

2006-01-14 Thread Jon Reynolds

Kevin Kuphal wrote:
   Unfortunately, too many people think they have the
 best idea since sliced bread or that just one more option won't hurt 
 when in reality, it has all been seen before and there has already been 
 work done to reduce the confusion of options rather than increase them.
 
 Kevin

Ecclesiastes 1:9? ;)

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Re: [mythtv-users] Live TV recording as if it was a scheduled

2006-01-14 Thread Jake

 I think the information you are looking for is already there
 in the AutoExpire List section on the status page.  If you
 cursor right when on AutoExpire List, you'll see detailed information
 at the top of the page which includes the total number of recordings
 that can be expired as well as the disk space they are consuming.
 I calculate the total number of LiveTV recordings and their disk
 space in the code but evidently forgot to display it, so I just
 committed that change to SVN.

wow chris, that is awesome!  hadn't even noticed it.  not sure how
hard it is, or if it's even possible, but it would be nice to be able
to manipulate the recordings right from there such as delete and maybe
turn off auto-expire.  i may have to have a look at the code later
tonight just to see how hard that might be.  overall very cool though.
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Re: [mythtv-users] Live TV recording as if it was a scheduled recording

2006-01-14 Thread BP

Kevin Kuphal wrote:

 This always makes me ask...why?  With your auto-expiration options set 
 (unless you never expire anything), Myth will perfectly manage your 
 space to make sure it removes old shows to make room for new.  LiveTV 
 will be expired before anything else so it is irrelevant when 
 calculating space as it will be automatically removed when needed.  
 I'd spend a little more time configuring your expiration rules to match 
 your viewing behavior and a little less time worrying about the physical 
 disk space because the system is designed to manage that for you. 
 
 Kevin

I keep asking why you can not understand that some people prefer to 
manage their own disk space.  I do not want a computer to ever decide to 
automatically delete something.  If I have it recorded and saved, it is 
because I want to watch it.

The way I see it is that new shows are more likely to have upcoming 
repeats than older, syndicated reruns.  If I miss a new episode due to 
space issues, I won't have to wait long.  If something I have saved gets 
deleted, it could be a year or more before it is recorded again. 
However, I do like to know exactly how much free space remains so that I 
can manage whether or not a recording will be missed due to space.

Someone did post the sql commands to mark all current recordings to not 
expire.  I just still feel much safer knowing that autoexpire will never 
run.  I do not trust a computer to only delete what it should.  Mistakes 
happen when scheduling, etc.

I would have much preferred that live tv recordings be flagged as such. 
  If the user pressed the record button, the flag would be removed. 
There could then be a different clean up thread to remove live tv 
buffers independent of autoexpire.  Perhaps as simply as when live tv is 
exited and when the backend starts.

I fully understand that this is working as those that contribute code 
want.  I can accept that.  I am just sick and tired of the constant 
replies implying that those of us that do not like this functionality 
need to get a clue.  Many of us just have different opinions and usage 
preferences.

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Re: [mythtv-users] Live TV recording as if it was a scheduled recording

BP wrote:
 Kevin Kuphal wrote:

   
 This always makes me ask...why?  With your auto-expiration options set 
 (unless you never expire anything), Myth will perfectly manage your 
 space to make sure it removes old shows to make room for new.  LiveTV 
 will be expired before anything else so it is irrelevant when 
 calculating space as it will be automatically removed when needed.  
 I'd spend a little more time configuring your expiration rules to match 
 your viewing behavior and a little less time worrying about the physical 
 disk space because the system is designed to manage that for you. 

 Kevin
 

 I keep asking why you can not understand that some people prefer to 
 manage their own disk space.  I do not want a computer to ever decide to 
 automatically delete something.  If I have it recorded and saved, it is 
 because I want to watch it.
   
Then don't set it for autoexpire and the only thing that will be 
autoexpired will be LiveTV recordings.  It still works in this manner.
 Someone did post the sql commands to mark all current recordings to not 
 expire.  I just still feel much safer knowing that autoexpire will never 
 run.  I do not trust a computer to only delete what it should.  Mistakes 
 happen when scheduling, etc.
   
Myth will only autoexpire what you tell it to.
 I would have much preferred that live tv recordings be flagged as such. 
   If the user pressed the record button, the flag would be removed. 
 There could then be a different clean up thread to remove live tv 
 buffers independent of autoexpire.  Perhaps as simply as when live tv is 
 exited and when the backend starts.
   
It all depends on your usage, I've already posted a scenario where 
someone would very much want the LiveTV buffer to stay around after 
exiting.  You're suggesting introducing an entirely new housekeeping 
function that is already pretty well covered by autoexpire.
 I fully understand that this is working as those that contribute code 
 want.  I can accept that.  I am just sick and tired of the constant 
 replies implying that those of us that do not like this functionality 
 need to get a clue.  Many of us just have different opinions and usage 
 preferences.
I have yet to see a usage preference that cannot be met by the current 
code apart from someone's insistance on managing things outside the 
system when the internal management does it just as well.  But then 
we're all beating a dead horse here because the lead developer has 
explained that in no uncertain terms will the request to expire 
recordings instantly be implemented.

Kevin
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Re: [mythtv-users] Live TV recording as if it was a scheduled recording

Kevin,

I'll give you one example of the koolaid gang trying to force their
koolaid on others.
http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/138384

The attitude is my highway or the high way. It has been quite apparent
from the mailing list. Some are nicer comments such as Then leave!!,
others are not nicer such as demonstrated by the above link.

Any sort of discussion which questions the way mythtv behaves is high
jacked by the koolaid gang and the original poster and others are
flamed. I know several very good knowledgable people who used to
contribute on the list, but now have left it totally, just because of
this kind of attitude.  Its a real loss for the overall community.


Mudit

On 1/14/06, Kevin Kuphal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Mudit Wahal wrote:
  The koolaid is too srong here and if you are not drinking the same
  koolaid, you are ostracised. I just use myth as a DVR and I like the
  EPG. My linuxbox records the shows, commercial cuts and does mpeg2 to
  mpeg4 via mencoder. My headless box sits in garage.  I'm streaming the
  record shows to a network dvd player (IOData LinkPlayer2) using UPnP
  wizd server which runs on the linux box. If I say anything more about
  my setup, the koolaid gang will come after me and try to punish me for
  not using a *proper mythfrontend* for viewing my myth recorded shows
  :-)
 
 No, but you might get snapped at for fanning the flames.  In fact, I
 think you would find quite the opposite.  Everyone here is very much
 involved in how to make their boxes better.  I myself am streaming my
 music using UPnP to a HomePod music player in my living room.  Myth
 doesn't always fit every situation but nor should it be crammed into
 every.  Dan has found a way to meet his needs as have you, but you'll
 note both have also been done without adding excess checkboxes and
 infrequently used features to the product.  I think you would also find
 a great deal of interest if someone were to code a UPnP extension to
 Myth (which I believe is what the MFD/MFE part of the codebases are
 destined for).   There is a right way and a wrong way to participate
 with this project.  Unfortunately, too many people think they have the
 best idea since sliced bread or that just one more option won't hurt
 when in reality, it has all been seen before and there has already been
 work done to reduce the confusion of options rather than increase them.

 Kevin
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Re: [mythtv-users] Live TV recording as if it was a scheduled recording

2006-01-14 Thread Tom E. Craddock Jr.

Mudit Wahal wrote:
 Kevin,
 
 I'll give you one example of the koolaid gang trying to force their
 koolaid on others.
 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/138384
 
 The attitude is my highway or the high way. It has been quite apparent
 from the mailing list. Some are nicer comments such as Then leave!!,
 others are not nicer such as demonstrated by the above link.
 
 Any sort of discussion which questions the way mythtv behaves is high
 jacked by the koolaid gang and the original poster and others are
 flamed. I know several very good knowledgable people who used to
 contribute on the list, but now have left it totally, just because of
 this kind of attitude.  Its a real loss for the overall community.
 
 
 Mudit
 



Nice, compare your fellow mythtv-users to people who were systematically 
brainwashed and convinced to commit a mortal sin.  Thats classy there.


Anyways, after reviewing the thread you linked, theres was one person 
who complained about the BlowJob you were giving some product that the 
OP of that thread didnt even ask about.  Get over it.  It was and still 
is annoying to see your mouth firmly attached to that devices nether 
parts, while at the same time degrading others on the list with your sly 
references to people who were at the best just majorly impressionable 
and at worst, completely mind fucked.


Tom
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I can see that Tom has taken over Donovan's job.

On 1/14/06, Tom E. Craddock Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Mudit Wahal wrote:
  Kevin,
 
  I'll give you one example of the koolaid gang trying to force their
  koolaid on others.
  http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/138384
 
  The attitude is my highway or the high way. It has been quite apparent
  from the mailing list. Some are nicer comments such as Then leave!!,
  others are not nicer such as demonstrated by the above link.
 
  Any sort of discussion which questions the way mythtv behaves is high
  jacked by the koolaid gang and the original poster and others are
  flamed. I know several very good knowledgable people who used to
  contribute on the list, but now have left it totally, just because of
  this kind of attitude.  Its a real loss for the overall community.
 
 
  Mudit
 



 Nice, compare your fellow mythtv-users to people who were systematically
 brainwashed and convinced to commit a mortal sin.  Thats classy there.


 Anyways, after reviewing the thread you linked, theres was one person
 who complained about the BlowJob you were giving some product that the
 OP of that thread didnt even ask about.  Get over it.  It was and still
 is annoying to see your mouth firmly attached to that devices nether
 parts, while at the same time degrading others on the list with your sly
 references to people who were at the best just majorly impressionable
 and at worst, completely mind fucked.


 Tom
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Re: [mythtv-users] Live TV recording as if it was a scheduled recording

2006-01-14 Thread Tom E. Craddock Jr.

Mudit Wahal wrote:
 I can see that Tom has taken over Donovan's job.
 



No Im just tired of your degrading comments.

Tom
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Re: [mythtv-users] Live TV recording as if it was a scheduled recording

2006-01-14 Thread Jake

On 1/14/06, Mudit Wahal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Kevin,

 I'll give you one example of the koolaid gang trying to force their
 koolaid on others.
 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/138384

 The attitude is my highway or the high way. It has been quite apparent

dude, i read that thread and at most what i got from it was that some
dumbass couldn't get myth to work with his setup so he loves the
iolink because no muss. no fuss.  that is fine with me.  all i know is
you gotta be retarded to not be able to get myth to work.  either that
or you made a mistake when buying hardware.  or you didn't research
enough.

guess what,  i followed the myth mailing lists for over a year and a
soon as myth supported the hauppauge pvr cards i jumped on board. 
wanna know how long it took me to get myth up and running perfectly? 
answer:  about and hour.  from no debian to full myth.  now, i have
definitely used linux before but still.  i think the real problem with
the myth mailing lists is that people like me who do research and know
what they're doing get inundated with rediculous posts from users that
don't.

fine,  mythtv may be quite appealing to joe blow but most of us on the
list who can answer questions have put in some time and is it not
reasonable that we expect others to do the same.

as for the livetv situation it is seriously rediculous.  before the
livetv change everyone was clamoring for a way to hit record and get
whatever program they were watching in livetv added to the program
table (a reasonable request i must admit).  this was prohibitevly
complex with the ringbuffer so isaac redid livetv.  now morons are
whining about something else, you can't win.  and of course no one
even peeped when isaac told everyone he was gonna change livetv. 
hell, i knew it was gonna happen months before it did, it's not like
isaac decided one day, hell, i'm gonna piss everyone off and totally
redo livetv!  no, it was a long time coming.

i want to thank isaac for the change.  i love the new livetv and i
love autoexpire.  mythmhandles everything perfectly and without a
hiccup.  we may be on the outer edge of mythtv (we autoexpire about
150 hours of tv a week)  but myth works perfectly for us.

keep up the good work and if you don't like myth, try switch to MCE ;)
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Re: [mythtv-users] Live TV recording as if it was a scheduled recording

On 1/14/06, Jake [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On 1/14/06, Mudit Wahal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Kevin,
 
  I'll give you one example of the koolaid gang trying to force their
  koolaid on others.
  http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/138384
 
  The attitude is my highway or the high way. It has been quite apparent

 dude, i read that thread and at most what i got from it was that some
 dumbass couldn't get myth to work with his setup so he loves the
 iolink because no muss. no fuss.  that is fine with me.  all i know is
 you gotta be retarded to not be able to get myth to work.  either that
 or you made a mistake when buying hardware.  or you didn't research
 enough.

[Sorry guys, I've to change my tone so the koolaid gang can
understand. Seems like that's the only language they understand]

dude, I think you have no idea how it works (myth backend and frontend
and uPnP streaming etc). Just be happy with your crappy 480i tv out
from your god given pvr 350 and shut up. You were dumb enough not to
figure how to get a decent tv without hand holding.
Just because you are happy with a noisy jet engine in your living room
with a crappy svideo out, doesnt mean entire word has to suffer the
same misery along with you. Just because you made some dumb decision
doesnt mean others dont have enough intelligence to figure out a
better and easier way to do thing.

[Again apologizes to non-koolaid gang]
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Re: [mythtv-users] Live TV recording as if it was a scheduled recording

2006-01-14 Thread Isaac Richards

On Sunday 15 January 2006 00:23, Mudit Wahal wrote:
 On 1/14/06, Jake [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  On 1/14/06, Mudit Wahal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   Kevin,
  
   I'll give you one example of the koolaid gang trying to force their
   koolaid on others.
   http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/138384
  
   The attitude is my highway or the high way. It has been quite apparent
 
  dude, i read that thread and at most what i got from it was that some
  dumbass couldn't get myth to work with his setup so he loves the
  iolink because no muss. no fuss.  that is fine with me.  all i know is
  you gotta be retarded to not be able to get myth to work.  either that
  or you made a mistake when buying hardware.  or you didn't research
  enough.

 [Sorry guys, I've to change my tone so the koolaid gang can
 understand. Seems like that's the only language they understand]

 dude, I think you have no idea how it works (myth backend and frontend
 and uPnP streaming etc). Just be happy with your crappy 480i tv out
 from your god given pvr 350 and shut up. You were dumb enough not to
 figure how to get a decent tv without hand holding.
 Just because you are happy with a noisy jet engine in your living room
 with a crappy svideo out, doesnt mean entire word has to suffer the
 same misery along with you. Just because you made some dumb decision
 doesnt mean others dont have enough intelligence to figure out a
 better and easier way to do thing.

That's enough of that.  Anyone continuing to act like a 2 year old gets 
removed from the list.

Isaac
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Re: [mythtv-users] Live TV recording as if it was a scheduled recording

2006-01-14 Thread Michael T. Dean

Kevin Kuphal wrote:
 For all the complaints prior to this change about 
 why Myth can't save an in progress recording, when the solution is 
 implemented, it simply garners more complaints which I can only imagine 
 frustrates those who spent their time working on this at the request of 
 users who asked for it.
Especially since the one who spent the most time on the change, Isaac, 
doesn't use LiveTV much at all.  ( 
http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/148764#148764 )

Mike
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Re: [mythtv-users] Live TV recording as if it was a scheduled recording

2006-01-13 Thread SpEnT

Thanks Johan,

I'm just going to use an older version. While watching live TV
sometimes when it gets to the end of a program the screen just freezes
and I have to exit out and start live TV again (I was wondering why it
always seemed to freeze right at 1/2 past the hour or right on the
hour), plus now in the listings for recorded programs in Mythweb I
show 50 files ;) ... some of them are really small ones due to only
watching a channel for a few minuntes. I've saved some older versions
that worked the old way so I'll stop using svn.

Either way thanks for he info :)

On 1/12/06, Johan Venter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 SpEnT wrote:
  I'm not sure if there's something I may have done but after upgrading
  to svn 8566, everytime I watch TV it recods what I'm watching and
  keeps the file. I ran a watch -n1 where I store my recorded programs
  and everyimte I changed the channel it adds a new mpg file as an
  example heres a file listing:

 This is how LiveTV works now. I know it's a standard response, but if
 you're going to run SVN, you need to be following the dev list.

  This was just changing channels and it fills up the directory where I
  store my recordings. Does anyone have any ideas why it would be doing
  this or what I might have to change to fix it? Any help is
  appreciated!!

 If you have your LiveTV auto-expire settings correct, you will never run
 out of disk space - it will delete the oldest LiveTV recordings based on
 your preferences to make room for actual scheduled recordings.

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Re: [mythtv-users] Live TV recording as if it was a scheduled recording

2006-01-13 Thread Chris Picton

On Fri, 2006-01-13 at 06:04 -0600, SpEnT wrote:
 
   This was just changing channels and it fills up the directory where I
   store my recordings. Does anyone have any ideas why it would be doing
   this or what I might have to change to fix it? Any help is
   appreciated!!
 
  If you have your LiveTV auto-expire settings correct, you will never run
  out of disk space - it will delete the oldest LiveTV recordings based on
  your preferences to make room for actual scheduled recordings.

I do feel that an option 'Delete LiveTV Recordings when changing
channel' would be useful for many people.

Chris


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Re: [mythtv-users] Live TV recording as if it was a sc heduled recording

2006-01-13 Thread Steve Adeff

On Friday 13 January 2006 07:34, Chris Picton wrote:
 On Fri, 2006-01-13 at 06:04 -0600, SpEnT wrote:
This was just changing channels and it fills up the directory where I
store my recordings. Does anyone have any ideas why it would be doing
this or what I might have to change to fix it? Any help is
appreciated!!
  
   If you have your LiveTV auto-expire settings correct, you will never
   run out of disk space - it will delete the oldest LiveTV recordings
   based on your preferences to make room for actual scheduled recordings.

 I do feel that an option 'Delete LiveTV Recordings when changing
 channel' would be useful for many people.

 Chris

Theres no need for it, all those little files can be hidden from view by 
default and get deleted when room is needed automatically.

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Re: [mythtv-users] Live TV recording as if it was a scheduled recording

2006-01-13 Thread Steve Adeff

On Friday 13 January 2006 07:04, SpEnT wrote:
 On 1/12/06, Johan Venter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  SpEnT wrote:
   I'm not sure if there's something I may have done but after upgrading
   to svn 8566, everytime I watch TV it recods what I'm watching and
   keeps the file. I ran a watch -n1 where I store my recorded programs
   and everyimte I changed the channel it adds a new mpg file as an
   example heres a file listing:
 
  This is how LiveTV works now. I know it's a standard response, but if
  you're going to run SVN, you need to be following the dev list.
 
   This was just changing channels and it fills up the directory where I
   store my recordings. Does anyone have any ideas why it would be doing
   this or what I might have to change to fix it? Any help is
   appreciated!!
 
  If you have your LiveTV auto-expire settings correct, you will never run
  out of disk space - it will delete the oldest LiveTV recordings based on
  your preferences to make room for actual scheduled recordings.

 I'm just going to use an older version. While watching live TV
 sometimes when it gets to the end of a program the screen just freezes
 and I have to exit out and start live TV again (I was wondering why it
 always seemed to freeze right at 1/2 past the hour or right on the

this is the new ringbuffer change, its closing out the old ringbuffer for the 
show you were watching and creating the new one for the new show. The dev's 
are working on minimizing the time delay, and some circumstances (mostly with 
PVR cards but I think this bug may have been fixed already) have led this to 
cause a freeze, though newer SVN's may already have this fixed (I've only 
noticed the freeze happen once in watching Live TV so I feel lucky).

 hour), plus now in the listings for recorded programs in Mythweb I
 show 50 files ;) ... some of them are really small ones due to only
 watching a channel for a few minuntes. I've saved some older versions
 that worked the old way so I'll stop using svn.

MythWeb is also going to be/already has been updated to have a similar option 
to ignore the livetv recordings.


 Either way thanks for he info :)
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Re: [mythtv-users] Live TV recording as if it was a scheduled recording

2006-01-13 Thread Fred Squires

On 1/13/06, Steve Adeff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Friday 13 January 2006 07:04, SpEnT wrote: On 1/12/06, Johan Venter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: SpEnT wrote: I'm not sure if there's something I may have done but after upgrading
to svn 8566, everytime I watch TV it recods what I'm watching and keeps the file. I ran a watch -n1 where I store my recorded programs and everyimte I changed the channel it adds a new mpg file as an
example heres a file listing: This is how LiveTV works now. I know it's a standard response, but if you're going to run SVN, you need to be following the dev list.
This was just changing channels and it fills up the directory where I store my recordings. Does anyone have any ideas why it would be doing this or what I might have to change to fix it? Any help is
appreciated!! If you have your LiveTV auto-expire settings correct, you will never run out of disk space - it will delete the oldest LiveTV recordings based on
your preferences to make room for actual scheduled recordings. I'm just going to use an older version. While watching live TV sometimes when it gets to the end of a program the screen just freezes
and I have to exit out and start live TV again (I was wondering why it always seemed to freeze right at 1/2 past the hour or right on thethis is the new ringbuffer change, its closing out the old ringbuffer for the
show you were watching and creating the new one for the new show. The dev'sare working on minimizing the time delay, and some circumstances (mostly withPVR cards but I think this bug may have been fixed already) have led this to
cause a freeze, though newer SVN's may already have this fixed (I've onlynoticed the freeze happen once in watching Live TV so I feel lucky). hour), plus now in the listings for recorded programs in Mythweb I
show 50 files ;) ... some of them are really small ones due to only watching a channel for a few minuntes. I've saved some older versions that worked the old way so I'll stop using svn.MythWeb is also going to be/already has been updated to have a similar option
to ignore the livetv recordings. Either way thanks for he info :)Will the option to hide the live TV recordings completely hide the recordings or will they simply be hidden in the All Recordings section, with a Live TV section on left with the show names?
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[mythtv-users] Live TV recording as if it was a scheduled recording

2006-01-12 Thread SpEnT

I'm not sure if there's something I may have done but after upgrading
to svn 8566, everytime I watch TV it recods what I'm watching and
keeps the file. I ran a watch -n1 where I store my recorded programs
and everyimte I changed the channel it adds a new mpg file as an
example heres a file listing:

630M Jan 12 18:31 1023_20060112181401.mpg
7.8M Jan 12 18:40 1145_20060112183956.mpg
4.6M Jan 12 18:40 1125_20060112184015.mpg
11M Jan 12 18:40 1127_20060112184025.mpg
5.4M Jan 12 18:40 1045_20060112184042.mpg

This was just changing channels and it fills up the directory where I
store my recordings. Does anyone have any ideas why it would be doing
this or what I might have to change to fix it? Any help is
appreciated!!

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Re: [mythtv-users] Live TV recording as if it was a scheduled recording

2006-01-12 Thread Drew Tomlinson

On 1/12/2006 4:42 PM SpEnT said the following:

I'm not sure if there's something I may have done but after upgrading
to svn 8566, everytime I watch TV it recods what I'm watching and
keeps the file. I ran a watch -n1 where I store my recorded programs
and everyimte I changed the channel it adds a new mpg file as an
example heres a file listing:

630M Jan 12 18:31 1023_20060112181401.mpg
7.8M Jan 12 18:40 1145_20060112183956.mpg
4.6M Jan 12 18:40 1125_20060112184015.mpg
11M Jan 12 18:40 1127_20060112184025.mpg
5.4M Jan 12 18:40 1045_20060112184042.mpg

This was just changing channels and it fills up the directory where I
store my recordings. Does anyone have any ideas why it would be doing
this or what I might have to change to fix it? Any help is
appreciated!!

I know nothing about this other than there have been a few previous 
threads regarding the same issue.  The replies were along the lines of 
if you're going to run SVN, then you better follow the dev list.  So 
obviously this was an announced change and Google should be of assistance.

Cheers,

Drew

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Re: [mythtv-users] Live TV recording as if it was a scheduled recording

2006-01-12 Thread SpEnT

On 1/12/06, Drew Tomlinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I know nothing about this other than there have been a few previous
 threads regarding the same issue.  The replies were along the lines of
 if you're going to run SVN, then you better follow the dev list.  So
 obviously this was an announced change and Google should be of assistance.

Well I did some digging before I posted this but the way I'm
describing it or the way I'm searching is giving me nothing. I'll try
again in the archives and see if anything hits.
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Re: [mythtv-users] Live TV recording as if it was a scheduled recording

2006-01-12 Thread Johan Venter

SpEnT wrote:
 I'm not sure if there's something I may have done but after upgrading
 to svn 8566, everytime I watch TV it recods what I'm watching and
 keeps the file. I ran a watch -n1 where I store my recorded programs
 and everyimte I changed the channel it adds a new mpg file as an
 example heres a file listing:

This is how LiveTV works now. I know it's a standard response, but if 
you're going to run SVN, you need to be following the dev list.

 This was just changing channels and it fills up the directory where I
 store my recordings. Does anyone have any ideas why it would be doing
 this or what I might have to change to fix it? Any help is
 appreciated!!

If you have your LiveTV auto-expire settings correct, you will never run 
out of disk space - it will delete the oldest LiveTV recordings based on 
your preferences to make room for actual scheduled recordings.

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[mythtv-users] Live TV looks odd after upgrade (and other stuff)

2006-01-03 Thread Eric Ladner

Recently went from 0.18.1 to SVN (Dec 31st,I think).

When I watch live TV (HD 16:9 TV) it looks like it's extremely
letterboxed - something like you'd see on a 2.0+ anamorphic DVD. 
Previously it had bars on the side and filled the screen top to
bottom, now it's got BIG bars on the top and bottom and fills the
screen side to side.

Another strange one is I don't think it's switching to standard
640x480 (watch tv mode is configured differently than GUI mode). 
Here's a few relavant lines from the frontend log:

2006-01-03 06:47:04.717 Opening audio device 'default'.
DisplaResX: XRRSetScreenConfigAndRate() call failed.
2006-01-03 06:47:05.001 SwitchToVideo: Video size 640 x 480: xrandr failed for 6
40 x 480
2006-01-03 06:47:06.011 Realtime priority would require SUID as root.
2006-01-03 06:47:06.026 TV: Changing from None to WatchingPreRecorded

Another thing I noticed today is I walked off and left a pre-recorde
show paused.  Looks like about every 0.15 seconds (roughly) it printed
this in the log:

2006-01-03 06:56:54.511 WriteAudio: buffer underrun

Keep in mind the frontend was sitting in a paused previously recorded
show.  There were a total of 366,959 messages printed in the log in a
period of 12.5 hours.

Enough for now.  Can't say enough about MythTV.  I'm slowly converting
all the folks at work over.  :)

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[mythtv-users] Live TV failing to load after ivtv rollback

2005-12-19 Thread Marius Schrecker

Hi,

I rolled back ivtv to 0.3.8 and loaded the firmware from my CD:

HcwFalcn.rom (md5sum: 5f5fa240ada73c3565f5f7de4c7b5138) symlinked to
ivtv-fw-enc.bin
HcwMakoA.ROM (md5sum: 3a4803384f749d644ee1f1ca9dcb12fa)

This second file is the same as the one Alan mentioned in his video
distortion post, though it is unclear whether it is the one causing his
problem or curing it. It worked for me earlier with ivtv 0.3.7x.

dmesg shows ivtv loading with the following error:

Allocate DMA encoder PCM audio stream: 455 x 4608 buffers (2048KB total)
ivtv: Create encoder radio stream
tuner: type set to 56 (Philips PAL/SECAM multi (FQ1216AME MK4)) by ivtv
i2c driver #0
cx25840 2-0044: invalid ioctl 40046403
cx25840 2-0044: invalid ioctl 40046404
cx25840 2-0044: invalid ioctl 4004646e
cx25840 2-0044: invalid ioctl 40046403
cx25840 2-0044: invalid ioctl 40046406
cx25840 2-0044: invalid ioctl 40046406
eth1394: $Rev: 1312 $ Ben Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED]
eth1394: eth1: IEEE-1394 IPv4 over 1394 Ethernet (fw-host0)
ivtv: Initialized WinTV PVR 500 (unit #1), card #0

(same for second unit)

mplayer plays the stream from video0 generally with better quality than I
was having with the 0.5.1 setup, although my weak channel is still much
worse than it was on my old setup (and very much worse than feeding the
signal directly to the tv).

MythTV crashes out of Live TV without playing, and gives the following error:
 Connecting to backend server: 192.168.1.5:6543 (try 1 of 5)
2005-12-19 14:59:45.096 Using protocol version 22
2005-12-19 14:59:45.172 TV: Attempting to change from None to WatchingLiveTV
2005-12-19 14:59:45.186 Using protocol version 22
2005-12-19 14:59:45.296 GetEntryAt(-1) failed.
2005-12-19 14:59:45.297 EntryToProgram([EMAIL PROTECTED] Jan 1 01:00:00 1970) 
failed
to get pginfo
2005-12-19 14:59:45.297 TV Error: LiveTV not successfully started
2005-12-19 14:59:45.297 TV Error: LiveTV not successfully started

Wondering what I need to do to get mythtv to play with the downgraded ivtv?

Cheers

Marius



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[mythtv-users] Live TV with knoppixmyth liveCD

2005-12-07 Thread Angel Gabriel

I have a capture card with the bt878 chip on it - What I want to do, is to run a knoppixmyth live CD, and have this machine display the output of this card on screen. I don't want any recording, just direct output - Is this possible using the LIVE cd?

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Re: [mythtv-users] Live TV with knoppixmyth liveCD

2005-12-07 Thread Dewey Smolka

On 12/7/05, Angel Gabriel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I have a capture card with the bt878 chip on it - What I want to do, is to
 run a knoppixmyth live CD, and have this machine display the output of this
 card on screen. I don't want any recording, just direct output - Is this
 possible using the LIVE cd?


No. Any recording (and Live TV is a recording) requires a backend. A
backend requires an install. The KnoppMyth Live CD can be used to run
a frontend off the CD (no install) but you need a backend on your
network to connect to.
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Re: [mythtv-users] Live TV with knoppixmyth liveCD

2005-12-07 Thread Angel Gabriel

If I am to understand this correctly, in any myth setup, from one machine to 50 machines, any type of input signal, needs to go through a backend?On 12/7/05, 
Dewey Smolka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 12/7/05, Angel Gabriel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a capture card with the bt878 chip on it - What I want to do, is to run a knoppixmyth live CD, and have this machine display the output of this
 card on screen. I don't want any recording, just direct output - Is this possible using the LIVE cd?No. Any recording (and Live TV is a recording) requires a backend. Abackend requires an install. The KnoppMyth Live CD can be used to run
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Re: [mythtv-users] Live TV with knoppixmyth liveCD

2005-12-07 Thread Dewey Smolka

On 12/7/05, Angel Gabriel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 If I am to understand this correctly, in any myth setup, from one machine to
 50 machines, any type of input signal, needs to go through a backend?


Yes. In short, the BE manages tuner/recording devices and maintains
the MySQL database. The FE displays recordings made on the BE, or
plays whatever media through the MythTV Plugins -- MythVideo,
MythMusic, etc. The FE and BE have to talk to each other for any of
the TV functions to work.

Without a BE, there is no way for MythTV to record anything or to
maintain a db. There is no way to 'pass through' a TV signal -- it has
to be encoded and written to disk, then decoded and displayed.
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Re: [mythtv-users] Live TV won't change channel

2005-11-25 Thread Nick

On 25/11/05, Patrick Beard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi,
 I've just install MythTV on my Ubuntu 'Breezy' system. It is doing
 everything it should except change channel when watching Live TV.
 Instead the mythbackend logs the following;

 2005-11-25 00:50:08.447 Channel(/dev/video0): CheckChannel failed.
 Please verify channel E6 in the setup Channel Editor.
 2005-11-25 00:50:08.448 Channel(/dev/video0): CheckChannel failed.
 Please verify channel E5 in the setup Channel Editor.
 2005-11-25 00:50:08.449 Channel(/dev/video0): CheckChannel failed.
 Please verify channel S03 in the setup Channel Editor.
 2005-11-25 00:50:08.451 Channel(/dev/video0): CheckChannel failed.
 Please verify channel S02 in the setup Channel Editor.
 2005-11-25 00:50:08.452 Channel(/dev/video0): CheckChannel failed.
 Please verify channel S01 in the setup Channel Editor.
 2005-11-25 00:50:08.453 Channel(/dev/video0): CheckChannel failed.
 Please verify channel E4 in the setup Channel Editor.
 2005-11-25 00:50:08.454 Channel(/dev/video0): CheckChannel failed.
 Please verify channel E3 in the setup Channel Editor.
 2005-11-25 00:50:08.455 Channel(/dev/video0): CheckChannel failed.
 Please verify channel E2 in the setup Channel Editor.
 2005-11-25 00:50:08.456 Channel(/dev/video0): CheckChannel failed.
 Please verify channel 69 in the setup Channel Editor.
 2005-11-25 00:50:08.457 Error, couldn't find any available channels.
 2005-11-25 00:50:08.457 Your database is most likely setup incorrectly.

 What I have installed is;

 MythTV 0.18.1-5
 lirc 0.7.2
 IVTV 0.4.0
 xmltv 0.5.40-1
 mysql-server 4.0.24-10
 Kernel 2.6.12-10-k7
 Hauppauge PVR-150 (Retail)

 No TV out card. This is a bedroom Pc/TV.

 Whatever I set as the 'default' channel is used and works when I watch
 live TV - I just can't change to another channel.

 I'm in the UK and so I'm using xmltv. I only have five channels entered
 into Mythtv as I've not got round to getting a 'sender' for my STB
 downstairs.

 Can anyone give me a help with this one.

Go into the channel editor and make sure you have valid UK channel
numbers for the 5 channels you have defined (i.e. between 20-69). E6
is I think a European channel number, which is why you are getting the
error messages. I assume since you are getting some video, you
currently have the Tuner0 configured against a video source (analog TV
channels?)

If you make sure you have the correct XMLTVIDs for each channel, you
should be able to get listings too.

Nick
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Re: [mythtv-users] Live TV won't change channel

2005-11-25 Thread Ronald Wielink

Patrick,
I had a similar problem. In my case, entering the frequencies (in Khz!!!) rather than the channel numbers did the trick.

Good luck,

Ronald
On 11/25/05, Patrick Beard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi,I've just install MythTV on my Ubuntu 'Breezy' system. It is doingeverything it should except change channel when watching Live TV.
Instead the mythbackend logs the following;2005-11-25 00:50:08.447 Channel(/dev/video0): CheckChannel failed.Please verify channel E6 in the setup Channel Editor.2005-11-25 00:50:
08.448 Channel(/dev/video0): CheckChannel failed.Please verify channel E5 in the setup Channel Editor.2005-11-25 00:50:08.449 Channel(/dev/video0): CheckChannel failed.Please verify channel S03 in the setup Channel Editor.
2005-11-25 00:50:08.451 Channel(/dev/video0): CheckChannel failed.Please verify channel S02 in the setup Channel Editor.2005-11-25 00:50:08.452 Channel(/dev/video0): CheckChannel failed.
Please verify channel S01 in the setup Channel Editor.2005-11-25 00:50:08.453 Channel(/dev/video0): CheckChannel failed.Please verify channel E4 in the setup Channel Editor.
2005-11-25 00:50:08.454 Channel(/dev/video0): CheckChannel failed.Please verify channel E3 in the setup Channel Editor.2005-11-25 00:50:08.455 Channel(/dev/video0): CheckChannel failed.
Please verify channel E2 in the setup Channel Editor.2005-11-25 00:50:08.456 Channel(/dev/video0): CheckChannel failed.Please verify channel 69 in the setup Channel Editor.
2005-11-25 00:50:08.457 Error, couldn't find any available channels.2005-11-25 00:50:08.457 Your database is most likely setup incorrectly.What I have installed is;MythTV 0.18.1-5lirc 0.7.2
IVTV 0.4.0xmltv 0.5.40-1mysql-server 4.0.24-10Kernel 2.6.12-10-k7Hauppauge PVR-150 (Retail)No TV out card. This is a bedroom Pc/TV.Whatever I set as the 'default' channel is used and works when I watch
live TV - I just can't change to another channel.I'm in the UK and so I'm using xmltv. I only have five channels enteredinto Mythtv as I've not got round to getting a 'sender' for my STBdownstairs.
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Re: [mythtv-users] Live TV won't change channel


 Go into the channel editor and make sure you have valid UK channel
 numbers for the 5 channels you have defined (i.e. between 20-69). E6
 is I think a European channel number, which is why you are getting the
 error messages. I assume since you are getting some video, you
 currently have the Tuner0 configured against a video source (analog TV
 channels?)
 
 If you make sure you have the correct XMLTVIDs for each channel, you
 should be able to get listings too.
 
 Nick

Thanks for the reply Nick.

This is what I have in the 'channels' table in the database. I have put
the frequencies in place if the ID's (Thanks Ronald) but I still get the
same results. 



1001  


1


551.250  


1 


1001  


BBC1 Scotland



0



scotland.bbc1.bbc.co.uk  


0  


32768


32768


32768


32768  


Default 


0 


1



0


NULL


NULL


NULL


1002


2


519.250


1


1002


BBC2 Scotland



0



scotland.bbc2.bbc.co.uk


0


32768


32768


32768


32768


Default


0


1



0


NULL


NULL


NULL


1004


4


471.250


1


1004


Channel 4



0



channel4.com


0


32768


32768


32768


32768


Default


0


1



0


NULL


NULL


NULL


1005


5


687.250


1


1005


Five



0



channel5.co.uk


0


32768


32768


32768


32768


Default


0


1



0


NULL


NULL


NULL


1003


3


495.250


1


1003


ITV1 Border Scottish



0



scottish.border-tv.com


0


32768


32768


32768


32768


Default


0


1



0


NULL


NULL


NULL


I was expecting to see some strange entries, but it all looks ok to me
(but I know zilch about this stuff)
One of the things I don't understand is - when I try to change channel
and get the 'Please verify channel' error. It mentions a lot of
channels. The list in my first posts was just a snippit.

Using ivtv-tune to find my channels I used the following;

ivtv-tune -teurope-west -c31 -d/dev/video0  This gave me 551.250Mhz and
the channel was BBC1

ivtv-tune -teurope-west -c27 -d/dev/video0  This gave me 519.250Mhz and
the channel was BBC2

ivtv-tune -teurope-west -c24 -d/dev/video0  This gave me 495.250Mhz and
the channel was ITV

ivtv-tune -teurope-west -c21 -d/dev/video0  This gave me 471.250Mhz and
the channel was Ch4

ivtv-tune -teurope-west -c48 -d/dev/video0  This gave me 687.250Mhz and
the channel was Five

Does the content of my 'channel' table look ok?

Any more suggestions would be most welcome - as I'm at a loss to know
what to try next.

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Re: [mythtv-users] Live TV won't change channel

Apologies to the group for the formatting of my previous post.

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Re: [mythtv-users] Live TV won't change channel

Hopefully this will come through better! Sorry once again.


The content of my 'Channel' table is;
++-+-+--+--+--+
| chanid | channum | freqid  | sourceid | callsign |name
|
++-+-+--+--+--+
|   1001 | 1   | 551.250 |1 | 1001 | BBC1Scotland
|
|   1002 | 2   | 519.250 |1 | 1002 | BBC2Scotland
|
|   1004 | 4   | 471.250 |1 | 1004 | Channel4
|
|   1005 | 5   | 687.250 |1 | 1005 |Five
|
|   1003 | 3   | 495.250 |1 | 1003 | ITV1 Scottish |
++-+-+--+--+--+


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