Re: [opensuse-factory] improve boot time
Hello all I installed bootchart on a couple of PCs at home and uploaded the charts Here are the results Tyan.S2466.bootchart.png = Boot time 1:01 T60.t2400_bootchart.png = Boot time 1:13 T40.Pentium_M1500.bootchart.png = Boot time 1:30 The charts are available here: http://perso.orange.fr/j.pearson/Tyan.S2466.bootchart.png http://perso.orange.fr/j.pearson/T60.t2400_bootchart.png http://perso.orange.fr/j.pearson/T40.Pentium_M1500.bootchart.png Have a nice day James - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] meeting minutes of last dist meeting
And what about avahi-compat-mDNSResponder? Digikam do'nt works any more to connect to the cam's. With mDNSResponder digikam worked fine, but now mDNSResponder was dropped and its previous versions are no more compatible. https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=239719 Regards - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] improve boot time
On Fri, 23 Feb 2007 18:43:33 -0800 (PST) Collin Marc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi suse boot time is very slow, about 54 sec on my dual core 4200+, 1 gig of ram. I removed a lot of services. For what it is worth I used makeSUSEdvd-0.35-1.noarch.rpm to build a openSUSE-10.3-Alpha1 DVD (composed of CDs 1-5 + openSUSE-10.3-Alpha1-Addon-NonOSS-BiArch) which I installed using VMware.ex.p.build.39849 on openSUSE10.2. I then installed bootchart (same version that I installed on openSUSE 10.2) in openSUSE-10.3-Alpha1 (VMware install) openSUSE.10.3 boots 2:09 (remember this is VMware.e.x.p.build.39849) I uploaded the charted (in case anyone is interested) http://perso.orange.fr/j.pearson/openSUSE.10.3.on.VMware.ex.p.build.39849.bootchart.png Regards James - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] improve boot time
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Volker Kuhlmann schreef: (the kick-off option to boot directly into another os, makes it possible to get coffee, or go to the toilet, without wasting time to make a choice at the boot screen..:-) That's been standard KDE for yonks. When you restart, select the next boot section. Volker ??? I know you sound simple, but i am too stupid to understand what you mean here... Yes I use KDE, and if choosen lilo or grub in the bootmanagers box, (instead of none) will reappear this ability.(if suddenly dissappeared from the menu) (Personal settingslogonscreenshutdown-tab, in rootmodus) - -- Have a nice day, M9. Now, is the only time that exists. OS: Linux 2.6.18.2-34-default x86_64 Huidige gebruiker: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Systeem: openSUSE 10.2 (X86-64) KDE: 3.5.5 release 45.2 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFF4fPEX5/X5X6LpDgRAh7XAKDJfusUI2Rtrvmf9QNr7abp98sgWgCg3MaS pkSuizJ6wcrAzZjuWdZRLDs= =EUWo -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] improve boot time
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Andreas schreef: Le Samstag, 24. Februar 2007, M9. a écrit : Using a configfile instead of hardware detection might result in a much shorter boottime...(20-25 secs?) Hardwaredetection is needed before installing an OS, an option to detect 'new' HW can be added, so comparing the configfile after the os has been booted is not such a bad idea. Agreed. The way I try to eliminate long boot up times is to actually not power down my computer when I'm done. I have set it to go into stand-by after four hours of inactivity, and that works quite well, even with a desktop pc. Yes this is true, if one uses one OS. When using several, one has to reboot into other OS's, unless one uses an emulator as VMware, one boots inside another OS... Still, these bootings take time... Not waiting, but using your time economicly, during these fases, makes them seem to take less time. But i agree this is just a psychological illusion, and no realtime shorter boottimebut it works all the same... - -- Have a nice day, M9. Now, is the only time that exists. OS: Linux 2.6.18.2-34-default x86_64 Huidige gebruiker: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Systeem: openSUSE 10.2 (X86-64) KDE: 3.5.5 release 45.2 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFF4fWnX5/X5X6LpDgRAuBqAKCounA0SdDZ3fLdQ69CXxH3W9tOwwCfR42b xSih07jwJDkR3MlTQnjY/rc= =eTbx -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] keyboard shortcut to right-click in Konqueror?
On Sat, 24 Feb, 2007 at 16:41:07 +, David Rozzell wrote: On Saturday 24 February 2007, Jon Clausen wrote: Unless I'm missing something really obvious (or something really complicated), it seems as if there is no way to achieve this? KDE Control Center Regional Accessibility Keyboard Shortcuts Application Shortcuts (tab) scroll to Navigation look for Popup Menu Context Riight... of course. I had been looking in there, but not knowing what to look for I missed it. Thanks a lot :) /jon -- YMMV -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] su required to run, but permission denied?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 The Saturday 2007-02-24 at 19:11 -0900, John Andersen wrote: On Saturday 24 February 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: thanks guys. Ive been use to nvidia drivers I guess the .run drivers that they distribute are already executable. If they are, that is a security flaw. They are not executable: we call them via sh. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFF4XagtTMYHG2NR9URAp57AJ40I/14LmP4hr2XgP1LNVrpglmP3QCcDIlv O2XjM/3JqfqIarJpX+Y3+K0= =FM/e -END PGP SIGNATURE-
[opensuse] error: Package has no %description: Mozilla...*
Compiling http://software.opensuse.org/download/mozilla/SUSE_Linux_9.3/src/MozillaThunderbird-1.99.2-26.1.src.rpm yields: error: Package has no %description: MozillaThunderbird Same deal for http://software.opensuse.org/download/mozilla/SUSE_Linux_9.3/src/MozillaFirefox-2.0.0.2-6.1.src.rpm -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Microsoft ordered to pay Alcatel-Lucent $1.5 bln in patent case - MarketWatch
On Saturday 24 February 2007 21:44, M Harris wrote: this is why software patents ARE EVIL! Absolutely. If this keeps up, our whole society will grind to a halt. Meanwhile, people should have enough sense to switch to FREE, OPEN formats whenever one is available! Bryan -- *** Powered by Kubuntu Linux 6.06 KDE 3.5.2KMail 1.9.1 This is a Microsoft-free computer Bryan S. Tyson [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] The BBC is asking if they should support Linux
On Sat, 2007-02-24 at 22:12 -0600, Billie Erin Walsh wrote: Mike McMullin wrote: On Sat, 2007-02-24 at 15:44 -0600, Billie Erin Walsh wrote: Mark Lowes wrote: On Fri, Feb 16, 2007 at 04:11:26PM -0500, Mike McMullin wrote: On Fri, 2007-02-16 at 06:48 -0600, Billie Erin Walsh wrote: Hey, give credit where credit is due here. They are still dreaming up sitcoms for American TV to copy. AND they DID bring back Dr. Who! And two spin offs, Torchwood and Rose Tyler IIRC. Neither of which is anything for them to be proud of. I take it your not much of a Who fan. Tennant is no Tom Baker and neither was the last dude. sigh Tom Baker was no Jon Pertwee either. Each Dr brings something different to the series. Some for the better, and some for the worse. I thought Tennant did a reasonable job with the character. At least he didn't treat it like it was serious TV. He had about the same attitude as Tom Baker. Nothing like Colin Baker *[:op . I'll see your Pertwee and raise you Peter Cushing, from the movie, IIRC. :) Tennant has this gushing Wow Humanity thing going on that Baker didn't, and where is the trademark apparel (scarf? jellybabies?)? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] Gateway Solo2550 SuSE 10.1
I'm trying to sneak a little Linux into my better-halfs life. After the install [ as above ] I can't get the viewing area of the screen to go to full width. It leaves about an inch of black all the way around the viewing area. As near as I can tell from the Gateway spec sheet it set the video driver right. The screen doesn't have much information, other than its a 13.3 TFT, I have it set to 14 in the config file. I've dug through every configuration setting I can find but nothing in SuSE will change it. Windows XP on the other half of the drive does just fine so I'm not so sure its a bios or hardware thing. Any ideas Gateway specs: LCD display panel Panel size 13.3-inch Panel type Active matrix thin filament transfer (TFT) LCD color display Maximum panel resolution 13.3-inch - (XGA) 1024 x 768 Maximum colors displayed 18-bit; 262,000 colors Video Graphics controller SMI Lynx EM4 Video Graphics Accelerator (Silicon Motion Inc.) Video interface Accelerated graphics port (AGP) 1X Video memory 4 MB SGRAM External video Supports simultaneous LCD, external monitor. Supports VGA (640 x 480), SVGA (800 x 600) and XGA (1024 x 768) panel. Internal LCD resolutions and maximum color depth 1024 x 768, 800 x 600, and 640 x 480 with up to 16.7 million colors Zoomed video Zoomed video card may be used in lower PC card slot only Display info from computer: Vendor Silicon Motion Inc Model SM 710 LynxEM Driver siliconmotion (no3d support) Monitor is set up as generic Vesa SVGA. Nothing in the Gateway list looked like anything usable. -- (o:]*HUGGLES*[:o) Billie Walsh The three best words in the English Language: I LOVE YOU Pass them on! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] The BBC is asking if they should support Linux
Mike McMullin wrote: On Sat, 2007-02-24 at 22:12 -0600, Billie Erin Walsh wrote: Mike McMullin wrote: Tom Baker was no Jon Pertwee either. Each Dr brings something different to the series. Some for the better, and some for the worse. I thought Tennant did a reasonable job with the character. At least he didn't treat it like it was serious TV. He had about the same attitude as Tom Baker. Nothing like Colin Baker *[:op . I'll see your Pertwee and raise you Peter Cushing, from the movie, IIRC. :) Tennant has this gushing Wow Humanity thing going on that Baker didn't, and where is the trademark apparel (scarf? jellybabies?)? I thought Cushing was ok, but.. Who was that guy that did the [ I think it was Fox ] movie about the turn of the century. Didn't care much for him either. Those were only trademarks of Tom Baker.Did you notice that as his stint as the Dr. his scarves got longer? [ I think Jon Pertwee did use a white scarf though, may be wrong. ] Colin Baker had a sprig of parsley as his decoration. Never saw any of the fellow that came after him. I think all the Dr's had an all abiding love for humanity. -- (o:]*HUGGLES*[:o) Billie Walsh The three best words in the English Language: I LOVE YOU Pass them on! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] The BBC is asking if they should support Linux
On Sun, 2007-02-25 at 10:09 -0600, Billie Erin Walsh wrote: Mike McMullin wrote: On Sat, 2007-02-24 at 22:12 -0600, Billie Erin Walsh wrote: Mike McMullin wrote: Tom Baker was no Jon Pertwee either. Each Dr brings something different to the series. Some for the better, and some for the worse. I thought Tennant did a reasonable job with the character. At least he didn't treat it like it was serious TV. He had about the same attitude as Tom Baker. Nothing like Colin Baker *[:op . I'll see your Pertwee and raise you Peter Cushing, from the movie, IIRC. :) Tennant has this gushing Wow Humanity thing going on that Baker didn't, and where is the trademark apparel (scarf? jellybabies?)? I thought Cushing was ok, but.. Who was that guy that did the [ I think it was Fox ] movie about the turn of the century. Didn't care much for him either. Which one, the old Doctor or the new doctor. Oddly enough I thought he might have been tapped for the new serial, Eckleston was ok, but is accent was tough to cut through at times. Those were only trademarks of Tom Baker.Did you notice that as his stint as the Dr. his scarves got longer? [ I think Jon Pertwee did use a white scarf though, may be wrong. ] Colin Baker had a sprig of parsley as his decoration. Never saw any of the fellow that came after him. I had not noticed that about his scarf, but I do recall that one Dr. Who Comic book had the instructions for knitting one just like it. I think all the Dr's had an all abiding love for humanity. Certainly it's a reason for them to be around humans so much, but his has gone over the top, IMO. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] vnc remote connection
Hello, I'm not sure if I have configured things correctly, but whenever I try to connect remotely via tight vnc viewer all I get is a grey screen. If I try via firefox I get this error: RFB 003.008 Is there somewhere else I need to change settings besides in Yast - Remote Admin and in Sax Remote Administration? I do not have my firewall running at all so that is not a problem. Dan. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Microsoft ordered to pay Alcatel-Lucent $1.5 bln in patent case - MarketWatch
Bryan S. Tyson wrote: On Saturday 24 February 2007 21:44, M Harris wrote: this is why software patents ARE EVIL! Absolutely. If this keeps up, our whole society will grind to a halt. Meanwhile, people should have enough sense to switch to FREE, OPEN formats whenever one is available! One problem is that even open formats are not free of patent risk. You don't have to even know about a patent, to violate it. Also, some are overly broad, so as to make it difficult to avoid infringing, if you develop something similar. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] VPN to Netgear DG834
My network setup: My mail server lives on my home LAN with a Netgear DG834G as the router between the LAN and DSL. At the moment I SSH in and forward all the appropriate ports. Evolution is setup to use localhost as the mail server. The problem with this arrangement is that I either have to SSH into the server when I'm at home too or keep changing the settings in Evo. Now, the DG834G has the facility to act as a VPN server too, which its web frontend says uses the VPNC standard. I was hoping to be able to set it up in NetworkManager as it also claims VPNC compatibility. The thing is that the information required is different. Before I set it up in OpenSWAN (which I'm sure will work), I just wanted to ask if anyone has had experience of doing this with NM? It would be a great thing to be able to show people who don't yet use Linux a simple GUI-driven VPN setup. (Google was no help, so my hopes aren't high, but best to ask...) -- James Ogley [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://usr-local-bin.org GNOME for openSUSE: http://software.opensuse.org/download/GNOME:/ Help end poverty: http://oxfam.org.uk/in -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] Railworld does not run
In trying to start railworld I get the following output: starting Rail World ... java virtual machine used: /usr/lib64/jvm/java/bin/java classpath used: /usr/share/java/liquidlnf.jar:/usr/share/java/railworld.jar main class used: net.kolls.railworld.opening.Opening flags used: options used: -Xmx128m arguments used: Exception in thread main Exception while printStackTrace(): java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: java/lang/System Any ideas? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Railworld does not run
Dr. Thayer, On Sunday 25 February 2007 09:01, J. Scott Thayer M.D. wrote: In trying to start railworld I get the following output: This is the railroad simulation software from http://railworld.org/? starting Rail World ... java virtual machine used: /usr/lib64/jvm/java/bin/java classpath used: /usr/share/java/liquidlnf.jar:/usr/share/java/railworld.jar main class used: net.kolls.railworld.opening.Opening flags used: options used: -Xmx128m arguments used: Exception in thread main Exception while printStackTrace(): java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: java/lang/System Since the package java.lang and the class java.lang.System are part of the Java Runtime Environment (JRE) and are integral to any given implementation of the JVM, the fact that they appear to be missing suggests there's something wrong with your Java installation. Are you running on a 64-bit installation of SuSE Linux / openSUSE? Which version of Linux are you running? Which version of Java are you running? Did you install Java from a SuSE package repository, or did you obtain it from Sun or some other third-party source? Any ideas? Randall Schulz -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] vnc remote connection
On Sunday 25 February 2007 10:31, Dan wrote: Hello, I'm not sure if I have configured things correctly, but whenever I try to connect remotely via tight vnc viewer all I get is a grey screen. If I try via firefox I get this error: RFB 003.008 Is there somewhere else I need to change settings besides in Yast - Remote Admin and in Sax Remote Administration? I do not have my firewall running at all so that is not a problem. Hi Dan, can you repost the question as a new message to this list (mailto:opensuse@opensuse.org), as here in thread about BBC is not a big chance that anybody will notice it, and few that will, probably will ignore it, as it breaks common practice not to hijack threads. This mail, it is meant to help you to find answer that I can't give you. To see what is common good practice here, for your convenience we have an article on openSUSE wiki: http://en.opensuse.org/Opensuse_mailing_list_netiquette Thanks in advance. -- Regards, Rajko. http://en.opensuse.org/Portal -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] Gateway Solo2550 SuSE 10.1 - SOLVED
Found a Gateway monitor on the list that worked. -- (o:]*HUGGLES*[:o) Billie Walsh The three best words in the English Language: I LOVE YOU Pass them on! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] The BBC is asking if they should support Linux
Mike McMullin wrote: On Sun, 2007-02-25 at 10:09 -0600, Billie Erin Walsh wrote: Mike McMullin wrote: On Sat, 2007-02-24 at 22:12 -0600, Billie Erin Walsh wrote: Mike McMullin wrote: Tom Baker was no Jon Pertwee either. Each Dr brings something different to the series. Some for the better, and some for the worse. I thought Tennant did a reasonable job with the character. At least he didn't treat it like it was serious TV. He had about the same attitude as Tom Baker. Nothing like Colin Baker *[:op . I'll see your Pertwee and raise you Peter Cushing, from the movie, IIRC. :) Tennant has this gushing Wow Humanity thing going on that Baker didn't, and where is the trademark apparel (scarf? jellybabies?)? I thought Cushing was ok, but.. Who was that guy that did the [ I think it was Fox ] movie about the turn of the century. Didn't care much for him either. Which one, the old Doctor or the new doctor. Oddly enough I thought he might have been tapped for the new serial, Eckleston was ok,but is accent was tough to cut through at times. Back about 2000 I think Fox made a Dr. Who movie [ made for TV ] about the change in Millennium. I can't remember who played the Dr but I think it was an American. Anyway, the movie was opk but.. Those were only trademarks of Tom Baker.Did you notice that as his stint as the Dr. his scarves got longer? [ I think Jon Pertwee did use a white scarf though, may be wrong. ] Colin Baker had a sprig of parsley as his decoration. Never saw any of the fellow that came after him. I had not noticed that about his scarf, but I do recall that one Dr. Who Comic book had the instructions for knitting one just like it. If I recall a documentary I saw somewhere the last scarf was something like twelve feet long. Made for Tom by a fan. Said he hated the thing cause he was forever tripping over it. I think all the Dr's had an all abiding love for humanity. Certainly it's a reason for them to be around humans so much, but his has gone over the top, IMO. Real aliens probably wouldn't work for scale. *[:oD -- (o:]*HUGGLES*[:o) Billie Walsh The three best words in the English Language: I LOVE YOU Pass them on! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Microsoft ordered to pay Alcatel-Lucent $1.5 bln in patent case - MarketWatch
On Sunday 25 February 2007 10:37, James Knott wrote: some are overly broad, so as to make it difficult to avoid infringing, if you develop something similar. That is the whole problem. I noticed it once reading patent relating thermal printers. While it talks about connection between controller and the termal head, the wording was so broad that any printer that uses serial connection can be put in that context. That makes owner of the patent able to sue anybody in todays world because the USB is serial connection. When patent was granted the only serial connection was over RS232 (common serial port) and almost no one was using it as it was to slow for the purpose. It seems that in computers and electronics patents have to be granted in a different way: - for a few years only or - be revisited every year or two for validity of specifications - claimants has to be asked to be very specific what device is meant to be protected and what specs they protect, The last will prevent that someone protects 2 MHz 8 bit CPU including, by broad wording, any further development in the future for next 20 years. Forcing protection on existing technology that company can present, or giving certain short time frame to implement new technology, will bring patents back where they belong - to further development. For instance, if one wants to avoid patent for CPU mentioned above all that is necessary is to develop faster CPU or wider bus. -- Regards, Rajko. http://en.opensuse.org/Portal -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] broken HD, data recovery possible?
Hi everybody, The HD (with Suse 10.0, ReiserFS) of my moms old laptop is broken and I thought, maybe there's a possibility to revover her e-mails and some OOo textfiles, but google wouldn't help me (I probably search wrong - find only commercial ads...). Trying to mount /dev/hda1 or /dev/hda2 with the rescue system fails (it says: partition doesn't exist) The openSuse install CD says, parted cannot format the disk. reiserfsck says the SuperBlock cannot be read - and I cannot rebuild the Superblock with reiserfsck because I don't know what answers I should type to the questions it asks The only thing I know is that it's a 20 G disk with a swap, a root and a home partition (with reiserfs). But I don't even know the sizes of the partitions or the version of reiserfs... Is there a Linux tool to make a bootable CD, that will then search the disk and give possibility to save found files to a floppy? any hints? thanks Daniel -- Daniel Bauer photographer Basel Switzerland professional photography: http://www.daniel-bauer.com Madagascar special: http://www.sanic.ch -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] broken HD, data recovery possible?
Daniel Bauer wrote: Hi everybody, The HD (with Suse 10.0, ReiserFS) of my moms old laptop is broken and I thought, maybe there's a possibility to revover her e-mails and some OOo textfiles, but google wouldn't help me (I probably search wrong - find only commercial ads...). There are not many Tools for ReiserFS. Trying to mount /dev/hda1 or /dev/hda2 with the rescue system fails (it says: partition doesn't exist) The openSuse install CD says, parted cannot format the disk. reiserfsck says the SuperBlock cannot be read - and I cannot rebuild the Superblock with reiserfsck because I don't know what answers I should type to the questions it asks The trouble seems to be that not even partitions are recognised. Try a bootable Knoppix CD, that distribution is designed to run without a harddisk, and has a range of tools to analyse hdds and partitions. Try to recover the partitions first. Then you might even be able to read all data. If you are serious about it, you should try to make a dd_rescue image of the broken hdd first and then tinker with the image to rescue as much as possible. The only thing I know is that it's a 20 G disk with a swap, a root and a home partition (with reiserfs). But I don't even know the sizes of the partitions or the version of reiserfs... Is the hdd still visible in your notebook Bios? Is there a Linux tool to make a bootable CD, that will then search the disk and give possibility to save found files to a floppy? Knoppix, testdisk. You don't get any automatic rescue options, the work will have to be done by yourself. -- Sandy List replies only please! Please address PMs to: news-reply2 (@) japantest (.) homelinux (.) com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Railworld does not run
I am running Suse 10.2 x64 on an AMD 64 Turion (Acer Ferrari). Java is Java 1_5_0sun according to the Yast Software Manager module. Dr. Thayer, On Sunday 25 February 2007 09:01, J. Scott Thayer M.D. wrote: In trying to start railworld I get the following output: This is the railroad simulation software from http://railworld.org/? starting Rail World ... java virtual machine used: /usr/lib64/jvm/java/bin/java classpath used: /usr/share/java/liquidlnf.jar:/usr/share/java/railworld.jar main class used: net.kolls.railworld.opening.Opening flags used: options used: -Xmx128m arguments used: Exception in thread main Exception while printStackTrace(): java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: java/lang/System Since the package java.lang and the class java.lang.System are part of the Java Runtime Environment (JRE) and are integral to any given implementation of the JVM, the fact that they appear to be missing suggests there's something wrong with your Java installation. Are you running on a 64-bit installation of SuSE Linux / openSUSE? Which version of Linux are you running? Which version of Java are you running? Did you install Java from a SuSE package repository, or did you obtain it from Sun or some other third-party source? Any ideas? Randall Schulz -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Railworld does not run
J. Scott Thayer M.D. wrote: I am running Suse 10.2 x64 on an AMD 64 Turion (Acer Ferrari). Java is Java 1_5_0sun according to the Yast Software Manager module. How do you start that game? I've downloaded the jar file and even tried extracting the contents, but I can't find any way to actually run the game. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Railworld does not run
On Sunday 25 February 2007 20:02, James Knott wrote: J. Scott Thayer M.D. wrote: I am running Suse 10.2 x64 on an AMD 64 Turion (Acer Ferrari). Java is Java 1_5_0sun according to the Yast Software Manager module. How do you start that game? I've downloaded the jar file and even tried extracting the contents, but I can't find any way to actually run the game. Did you try the rpm from packman? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Railworld does not run
On Sunday 25 February 2007 19:34, J. Scott Thayer M.D. wrote: I am running Suse 10.2 x64 on an AMD 64 Turion (Acer Ferrari). Java is Java 1_5_0sun according to the Yast Software Manager module. Running railworld.sh in the railworld package from packman, it works like a charm. The error you get seems to indicate that you don't have the complete java environment set (in particular, things like java home seem to be missing). The railworld.sh start script takes care of setting those for you -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Railworld does not run
Anders Johansson wrote: On Sunday 25 February 2007 20:02, James Knott wrote: J. Scott Thayer M.D. wrote: I am running Suse 10.2 x64 on an AMD 64 Turion (Acer Ferrari). Java is Java 1_5_0sun according to the Yast Software Manager module. How do you start that game? I've downloaded the jar file and even tried extracting the contents, but I can't find any way to actually run the game. Did you try the rpm from packman? No, I downloaded the jar file from the RailWorld site. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] vnc remote connection problem
Hello, I'm not sure if I have configured things correctly, but whenever I try to connect remotely via tight vnc viewer all I get is a grey screen. If I try via firefox I get this error: RFB 003.008 Is there somewhere else I need to change settings besides in Yast - Remote Admin and in Sax Remote Administration? I do not have my firewall running at all so that is not a problem. Dan. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Railworld does not run
On Sunday 25 February 2007 14:44, James Knott wrote: Anders Johansson wrote: On Sunday 25 February 2007 20:02, James Knott wrote: J. Scott Thayer M.D. wrote: I am running Suse 10.2 x64 on an AMD 64 Turion (Acer Ferrari). Java is Java 1_5_0sun according to the Yast Software Manager module. How do you start that game? I've downloaded the jar file and even tried extracting the contents, but I can't find any way to actually run the game. Did you try the rpm from packman? No, I downloaded the jar file from the RailWorld site. OK, I downloaded/installed a couple more java related rpms and all works fine now. Starts from the commandline and also the menu. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] vnc remote connection problem
On Sunday 25 February 2007 20:58, Dan wrote: Hello, I'm not sure if I have configured things correctly, but whenever I try to connect remotely via tight vnc viewer all I get is a grey screen. If I try via firefox I get this error: RFB 003.008 That looks like you're trying to connect to the VNC port, and not the webvnc port. Normal vnc is port 5900+screen, so screen 1 is 5901. webvnc is 5800+screen The grey screen could be that you haven't restarted kdm yet. This needs restarting, so the new settings can take effect. Try running rcxdm restart and then try vnc again On the other hand, if you have restarted xdm (or rebooted the entire server) since setting Remote Administration in yast, then something else must be wrong. In this case, look for error messages in /var/log/kdm.log (or the files in /var/log/gdm/ in case you're using gdm) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] Request Assistance Setting Up New Hardware
I have a new 64 bit systen upon which I wish to install the 64 bit SUES 10.2 distribution. Currently it's a bare bones box with a GB of RAM. The IDE primary master is a TSST Corp CD/DVD and the SATA0 primary channel is a WDC WD2500KS-0 HD. I have also installed a IDE to PCI card as I have three IDE drives in my current linux system that I want to install in the new computer once I get the OS installed. Now to the problem. If I boot the machine with the #1CD it boots into the linux installer without any problems. In fact the boot messages tell me that the system found the mouse. Unfortunately, when the gui opens the mouse doesn't work. The BIOS has both the USB and the USB 2.0 controller enabled and the USB Legacy Support set on AUTO. I recognize no references to the mouse, keyboard, PS/2 or any IRQ or interrupt settings in the BIOS. The motherboard is a MSI MS-7260. The boot messages tell me that the process has activated usb devices. The only kernal message that I recognize as referring to the mouse is that 'PS/2 mouse device common for all mice'. Both the the keyboard and the mouse are PS/2. The keyboard works, the mouse doesn't (both work on my current linux machine running SuSE 9.3). I might also mention that I have no intention of installing Microsoft products on this machine Now, I am not a hardware person. What do I have to do to get the mouse to function? Thanks in advance. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Railworld does not run
From: J. Scott Thayer M.D. To: opensuse@opensuse.org Subject: Re: [opensuse] Railworld does not run Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 15:02:19 -0500 On Sunday 25 February 2007 14:44, James Knott wrote: Anders Johansson wrote: On Sunday 25 February 2007 20:02, James Knott wrote: J. Scott Thayer M.D. wrote: I am running Suse 10.2 x64 on an AMD 64 Turion (Acer Ferrari). Java is Java 1_5_0sun according to the Yast Software Manager module. How do you start that game? I've downloaded the jar file and even tried extracting the contents, but I can't find any way to actually run the game. Did you try the rpm from packman? No, I downloaded the jar file from the RailWorld site. OK, I downloaded/installed a couple more java related rpms and all works fine now. Starts from the commandline and also the menu. open a terminal, type java, you'll get plenty information about running jar files or type java -jar archive.jar yesterday I used smart to update my system, saw the rpms for Railworld on the update Carlos A. PS: Good to see that there are more games that are not OS specific =) PS2: something like this reminds me of some episodes of Userfriendly =/ _ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] Ultrasol
Running ultrasol.sh yields the following: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~ ultrasol.sh Traceback (most recent call last): File /usr/lib64/games/ultrasol/ultrasol.py, line 69, in module exec import + n File string, line 1, in module File /usr/lib64/games/ultrasol/games/dieboesesieben.py, line 42 SyntaxError: Non-ASCII character '\xf6' in file /usr/lib64/games/ultrasol/games/dieboesesieben.py on line 42, but no encoding declared; see http://www.python.org/peps/pep-0263.html for details [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~ Any fixes for this? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] vnc remote connection problem
On Sunday 25 February 2007 14:04, Anders Johansson wrote: The grey screen could be that you haven't restarted kdm yet. This needs restarting, Is the gray screen specled? and, is the mouse pointer a very large X. --- if so, what you have connected to is the X server *without* a window manager running over it. -- Kind regards, M Harris -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Ultrasol
Dr. Thayer, On Sunday 25 February 2007 13:55, J. Scott Thayer M.D. wrote: Running ultrasol.sh yields the following: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~ ultrasol.sh Traceback (most recent call last): File /usr/lib64/games/ultrasol/ultrasol.py, line 69, in module exec import + n File string, line 1, in module File /usr/lib64/games/ultrasol/games/dieboesesieben.py, line 42 SyntaxError: Non-ASCII character '\xf6' in file /usr/lib64/games/ultrasol/games/dieboesesieben.py on line 42, but no encoding declared; see http://www.python.org/peps/pep-0263.html for details [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~ Any fixes for this? It really behooves both you and anyone who would like to help you for you to give more information than a terse dump of the error diagnostics that ensue when you try to run something unsuccessfully. You need to specify details of the software you installed, the operating system on which it's running, platform software (e.g., the Java platform) and possibly the hardware hosting it all. In particular, if you're installing RPMs and getting this kind of problem it suggests some sort of configuration problem in your system or that you're forcing installation in the face of unmet prerequisites. Ordinarily RPM won't allow the installation of a package whose prerequisites are not met, and most problems of incompatibilities or insufficiencies between the new software and your existing system setup are precluded. If you don't give us details of the scenario, it's just an exercise in either guessing what happened or rotely requesting the necessary details behind of the problematic symptoms. Randall Schulz -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Request Assistance Setting Up New Hardware
Stephen P. Molnar, Ph.D. wrote: Now, I am not a hardware person. What do I have to do to get the mouse to function? Has anything ever been installed on this motherboard? IIUC, this is a new install on new hardware. With all you described, it sounds like the mouse port is bad on the motherboard. Can you test it with a Live cd or DVD just to make sure the mouse port does indeed work. HTH. -- Joe Morris Registered Linux user 231871 running openSUSE 10.2 x86_64 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Request Assistance Setting Up New Hardware
On Sunday 25 February 2007 14:28, Stephen P. Molnar, Ph.D. wrote: If I boot the machine with the #1CD it boots into the linux installer without any problems. In fact the boot messages tell me that the system found the mouse. Unfortunately, when the gui opens the mouse doesn't work. Ttry a couple of things: 1) try a different mouse... and make sure that the mouse port or mouse pins have not been bent or damaged. 2) try another style mouse (standard 2-3 button PS/2 mouse--- no wheel, no optics, etc) 3) try another type of mouse (usb) 4) install a minimal machine with the text installer and then play around with the mouse settings. If all else fails, try the hardware diagnostics for your machine--- perhaps the mouse port is no longer functioning correctly. -- Kind regards, M Harris -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] vnc remote connection problem
On Sunday 25 February 2007 23:10, M Harris wrote: On Sunday 25 February 2007 14:04, Anders Johansson wrote: The grey screen could be that you haven't restarted kdm yet. This needs restarting, Is the gray screen specled? and, is the mouse pointer a very large X. --- if so, what you have connected to is the X server *without* a window manager running over it. Yeah, that was sort of my point. When you connect, X is started and tries to do a query to the display (not window) manager. If this isn't responding for some reason, you get a grey screen, and the most common reason for it is that the display manager hasn't been restarted after enabling xdmcp -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Ultrasol
On Sunday 25 February 2007 22:55, J. Scott Thayer M.D. wrote: Running ultrasol.sh yields the following: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~ ultrasol.sh Traceback (most recent call last): File /usr/lib64/games/ultrasol/ultrasol.py, line 69, in module exec import + n File string, line 1, in module File /usr/lib64/games/ultrasol/games/dieboesesieben.py, line 42 SyntaxError: Non-ASCII character '\xf6' in file /usr/lib64/games/ultrasol/games/dieboesesieben.py on line 42, but no encoding declared; see http://www.python.org/peps/pep-0263.html for details [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~ Any fixes for this? Yes, but in future, please direct such bug reports to the place where you got the package. They will need to fix it and put out a fixed version The solution is to add a coding line to the python source file, to tell python which encoding is used for the text. Edit the file, and add # -*- coding: iso-8859-15 as the first line. You'll have to do that for gypsy.py as well The reason is that python defaults to ASCII encoding starting in python 2.5 (as explained on the web site mentioned in the error message) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] vnc remote connection problem
Are you running into this bug in 10.2 ? Solved by correcting a syntax error in /etc/opt/gnome/gdm/custom.conf [xdmcp] enable=true Should be: [xdmcp] Enable=true this stung me hard too. -tl On Sun, 2007-02-25 at 13:58 -0600, Dan wrote: Hello, I'm not sure if I have configured things correctly, but whenever I try to connect remotely via tight vnc viewer all I get is a grey screen. If I try via firefox I get this error: RFB 003.008 Is there somewhere else I need to change settings besides in Yast - Remote Admin and in Sax Remote Administration? I do not have my firewall running at all so that is not a problem. Dan. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Ultrasol
On Sunday 25 February 2007 17:09, Randall R Schulz wrote: Dr. Thayer, On Sunday 25 February 2007 13:55, J. Scott Thayer M.D. wrote: Running ultrasol.sh yields the following: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~ ultrasol.sh Traceback (most recent call last): File /usr/lib64/games/ultrasol/ultrasol.py, line 69, in module exec import + n File string, line 1, in module File /usr/lib64/games/ultrasol/games/dieboesesieben.py, line 42 SyntaxError: Non-ASCII character '\xf6' in file /usr/lib64/games/ultrasol/games/dieboesesieben.py on line 42, but no encoding declared; see http://www.python.org/peps/pep-0263.html for details [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~ Any fixes for this? It really behooves both you and anyone who would like to help you for you to give more information than a terse dump of the error diagnostics that ensue when you try to run something unsuccessfully. You need to specify details of the software you installed, the operating system on which it's running, platform software (e.g., the Java platform) and possibly the hardware hosting it all. In particular, if you're installing RPMs and getting this kind of problem it suggests some sort of configuration problem in your system or that you're forcing installation in the face of unmet prerequisites. Ordinarily RPM won't allow the installation of a package whose prerequisites are not met, and most problems of incompatibilities or insufficiencies between the new software and your existing system setup are precluded. If you don't give us details of the scenario, it's just an exercise in either guessing what happened or rotely requesting the necessary details behind of the problematic symptoms. Randall Schulz Thank you for your comments, points taken. I am running Suse 10.2 64bit on an AMD Turion based Acer. I installed via Yast Software Management module and did NOT instruct it to force install in the face of dependency issues. My analysis indicates that this has to do with Python not liking the character encoding of this European authored program, specifically the use of an umlaut. Python.org mentions this issue but I am not clear on the solution. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] vnc remote connection problem
On Sunday 25 February 2007 16:36, tleslie wrote: [xdmcp] enable=true Should be: [xdmcp] Enable=true You have got to be kidding... right? -- Kind regards, M Harris -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Ultrasol
Any fixes for this? Yes, but in future, please direct such bug reports to the place where you got the package. They will need to fix it and put out a fixed version The solution is to add a coding line to the python source file, to tell python which encoding is used for the text. Edit the file, and add # -*- coding: iso-8859-15 as the first line. You'll have to do that for gypsy.py as well The reason is that python defaults to ASCII encoding starting in python 2.5 (as explained on the web site mentioned in the error message) So, despite the fact that I got this package from an Opensuse repository and the package is likely the same in any OTHER Opensuse repository I should direct my questions elsewhere? Do I have that right? And that would assume I was already certain I was LOOKING at a bug. BTW, the fix worked fine. Thank you. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Ultrasol
On Sunday 25 February 2007 14:54, J. Scott Thayer M.D. wrote: ... ... My analysis indicates that this has to do with Python not liking the character encoding of this European authored program, specifically the use of an umlaut. Python.org mentions this issue but I am not clear on the solution. This seems consistent with Anders' reply. As a work-around hack, you could just go in an replace the umlaut-bearing vowel(s) with their unadorned ASCII / ISO-8859-1 counterparts. You may need to iterate this modification more than once, but it's worth a try, providing it does not wear down your patience / insistence in getting this software running. Randall Schulz -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Ultrasol
On Monday 26 February 2007 00:15, J. Scott Thayer M.D. wrote: So, despite the fact that I got this package from an Opensuse repository and the package is likely the same in any OTHER Opensuse repository I should direct my questions elsewhere? As far as I can see, ultrasol isn't included in 10.2, so I would think you got this from a third party packager. Most likely packman. You should report bugs to the people who put together the package, otherwise there won't be a fixed version. The packagers are extremely unlikely to monitor mailing lists such as this one to find bugs in their packages. Do I have that right? And that would assume I was already certain I was LOOKING at a bug. Package didn't work = bug. This is by default, so yes, you can be certain it is a bug -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Ultrasol
On Monday 26 February 2007 00:24, I wrote: You should report bugs to the people who put together the package, otherwise there won't be a fixed version. The packagers are extremely unlikely to monitor mailing lists such as this one to find bugs in their packages. Incidentally, for this exact same reason, even if it had been an opensuse package, you should still not report bugs on this mailing list. Bugs go to bugzilla.novell.com, where the developers can see them -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Microsoft ordered to pay Alcatel-Lucent $1.5 bln in patent case - MarketWatch
On Saturday 24 February 2007 16:07, John Andersen wrote: ecause ogg is merely an encapsulation mechanism, implementers still have to support a multitude of codecs in order to be able to decode what might be hidden inside. Including mp3 formats. You should get in the habit of being a little more precise in what you wish for, Such as Ogg/Vorbis or Ogg/Speex. C'mon, what is meant is obvious. Who in the world would suggest Ogg/mp3 as a way to avoid patents??? Out of 100 people referring to ogg, how many meant ogg as a container for mp3 Ordinarily my answer would be zero. Today, I guess the answer is one, apparently: you. Oh well, I am confident the other 99 understood the point of the discussion perfectly. Bryan -- *** Powered by Kubuntu Linux 6.06 KDE 3.5.2KMail 1.9.1 This is a Microsoft-free computer Bryan S. Tyson [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Microsoft ordered to pay Alcatel-Lucent $1.5 bln in patent case - MarketWatch
On Sunday 25 February 2007, Bryan S. Tyson wrote: On Saturday 24 February 2007 16:07, John Andersen wrote: ecause ogg is merely an encapsulation mechanism, implementers still have to support a multitude of codecs in order to be able to decode what might be hidden inside. Including mp3 formats. You should get in the habit of being a little more precise in what you wish for, Such as Ogg/Vorbis or Ogg/Speex. C'mon, what is meant is obvious. Who in the world would suggest Ogg/mp3 as a way to avoid patents??? Out of 100 people referring to ogg, how many meant ogg as a container for mp3 Ordinarily my answer would be zero. Today, I guess the answer is one, apparently: you. The point is that ogg is not a format. It is a container. And without knowing explicitly what is contained there is no way to know what patents may be infringed. Courts will not take such a fine view. They will merely rule that ogg violates the mp3 patents the first time the RIAA finds an mp3 inside of an ogg file. That will be enough to scare off adoption of ogg by any hardware manufacturers who are not already licensed for mp3. Don't believe me? Then explain why the RIAA gets a cut from every stack of blank CDroms you buy. -- _ John Andersen -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Gateway Solo2550 SuSE 10.1
On Sunday 25 February 2007, Billie Erin Walsh wrote: Monitor is set up as generic Vesa SVGA. Nothing in the Gateway list looked like anything usable. There's your problem. Use Yast to get away from Vesa. -- _ John Andersen -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Ultrasol
On Sunday 25 February 2007 18:25, Anders Johansson wrote: On Monday 26 February 2007 00:24, I wrote: You should report bugs to the people who put together the package, otherwise there won't be a fixed version. The packagers are extremely unlikely to monitor mailing lists such as this one to find bugs in their packages. Incidentally, for this exact same reason, even if it had been an opensuse package, you should still not report bugs on this mailing list. Bugs go to bugzilla.novell.com, where the developers can see them OK -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] xgl not working for 10.1 (Gnome)
On Fri, 2007-02-23 at 13:42 -0600, Jonathan Puthoff wrote: Hi! I am trying to get the 3D desktop working on a brand-new install of 10.1. The installation of xgl and compiz packages (fresh ones!) worked fine and so I did Control Center - Desktop Effects - Enable Desktop Effects. The display informs me that my card is supported, but when I restart the display (via a logout/login) my windows are messed up (lack titlebars. . .) and nothing seems to work correctly. Disabling the 3D desktop puts everything back just fine. I am using an Intel 945 GM card. . .is this perhaps the problem? This sounds like the issue https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=180506 For which an update was released. -JP -- JP Rosevear [EMAIL PROTECTED] Novell, Inc. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Consistency with power privileges
On Thursday 22 February 2007 17:00, Angus MacGyver wrote: Now taken a look at those settings, tweaked and rebooted but still a normal user cannot hibernate the system... Please can someone point me in the right direction. I would like to offer some philosophy, which when properly considered, may prove to be helpful ... ... this problem (and others like it, I'll explain in a minute) come up frequently because of our common windoze heritage--- a mindset that a personal computer is a single user application launcher. It seems on the surface that any user should be able to automatically mount or unmount a device... have access to all hardware ports, and be able to *suspend* or *hibernate* the system! In fact just the opposite is true. Only root should be able to suspend the system. Only root should be able to hibernate a system. Only root should be able to mount/umount devices, and only root should have access to the system's hardware ports in fact, only the kernel should have access to the system's hardware ports. Any true operating system will restrict system services (particularly those which bring the system *down* ) to the kernel and the root authority---for any truly multiuser multitasking operating system. To say this another way, no individual *general* user on the system should be able to stop the system nor do anything within their virtual address space that would result in stopping the system this is assuming that there are *other* users on the system (maybe even just system processes) that should not be stopped just because the user wants to suspend. Its not a personal computer... its a system. Unix and unix-like operating systems (including Linux) are true operating systems in every sense of the word (very much unlike windoze). Even though the machine may only have ONE user logged on *ever*, it is still a multi-user system which restricts the shutdown of the system to root. Many folks (and some distros) bypass this, and its a mistake. My belief is that folks need to understand what a real OS is. Those of us from the old IBM VM days, or the older UNIX days, realize that a computer is a system which should not arbitrarily crash, and which should not be subject to downtime do to the actions of any single user--- including shutdown, suspend, or hibernate. All of my systems (including my laptop) restrict all admin activities to root, including shutdown among many others. If root access is required my users su to root (if authorized) and perform the function with authority, permission, security, safety and logging. What I find is that people moving over to Linux from windoze will try to make Linux look and behave like windoze and thereby missing the whole point of moving to Linux in the first place. Some folks even take this to extremes (due to misunderstanding) and run *all the time* logged in as root... the way some windoze users always logon as administrator. The problem is that root on unix-like systems is absolutely dangerous... unlike the semi bogus administrator logon of windoze. If you force yourself to work within the restrictions of the unix system then the restrictions of the system will protect you and even become your friend. Just words to the wise. -- Kind regards, M Harris -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Consistency with power privileges
On Sunday 25 February 2007 20:57, M Harris wrote: The problem is that root on unix-like systems is absolutely dangerous... To each his ownfrom an old VM'r and CP67 before that. If you need to be protected from yourself, then enjoy. You *do* make a good point but some of the protections can be just as annoying as the are you sure you want to continue? that windows puts up all the time. I started out in DOS, where there was no protection and one learns how to behave ones self or pay the consequences. On a system running more than one user, yes, it is a must to protect the system. On my own single user system? I've never had a problem. Climb down off your soapbox. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Consistency with power privileges
On Sunday 25 February 2007, M Harris wrote: It seems on the surface that any user should be able to automatically mount or unmount a device... have access to all hardware ports, and be able to *suspend* or *hibernate* the system! In fact just the opposite is true. Let me stop this pontification right there. That MIGHT HAVE BEEN true at one time on a particular class of hardware - desktops or rack mount computers. It is painfully outmoded thinking for laptops - the only class of computers likely to ever be suspended. Once the laptop utilities are installed it should be AUTOMATICALLY assumed the the person at the keyboard has the authority to suspend the machine without reverting to root. Any necessity to acquire root authority to suspend a laptop is a hold over from a bygone era. The rest of your rant is totally based on this misguided idea so I won't bother a point by point analysis. Suffice it to say that when the person at the keyboard has to board the plane they must suspend or power off the machine and it ought to work as simply and as quickly as closing the cover, or clicking a button. That works for me, without resorting to root. -- _ John Andersen pgpzatJaA0EsF.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [opensuse] Consistency with power privileges
M Harris wrote: On Thursday 22 February 2007 17:00, Angus MacGyver wrote: Now taken a look at those settings, tweaked and rebooted but still a normal user cannot hibernate the system... Please can someone point me in the right direction. I would like to offer some philosophy, which when properly considered, may prove to be helpful ... ... this problem (and others like it, I'll explain in a minute) come up frequently because of our common windoze heritage--- a mindset that a personal computer is a single user application launcher. It seems on the surface that any user should be able to automatically mount or unmount a device... have access to all hardware ports, and be able to *suspend* or *hibernate* the system! In fact just the opposite is true. Only root should be able to suspend the system. Only root should be able to hibernate a system. Only root should be able to mount/umount devices, and only root should have access to the system's hardware ports in fact, only the kernel should have access to the system's hardware ports. Any true operating system will restrict system services (particularly those which bring the system *down* ) to the kernel and the root authority---for any truly multiuser multitasking operating system. To say this another way, no individual *general* user on the system should be able to stop the system nor do anything within their virtual address space that would result in stopping the system this is assuming that there are *other* users on the system (maybe even just system processes) that should not be stopped just because the user wants to suspend. Its not a personal computer... its a system. Unix and unix-like operating systems (including Linux) are true operating systems in every sense of the word (very much unlike windoze). Even though the machine may only have ONE user logged on *ever*, it is still a multi-user system which restricts the shutdown of the system to root. Many folks (and some distros) bypass this, and its a mistake. My belief is that folks need to understand what a real OS is. Those of us from the old IBM VM days, or the older UNIX days, realize that a computer is a system which should not arbitrarily crash, and which should not be subject to downtime do to the actions of any single user--- including shutdown, suspend, or hibernate. All of my systems (including my laptop) restrict all admin activities to root, including shutdown among many others. If root access is required my users su to root (if authorized) and perform the function with authority, permission, security, safety and logging. What I find is that people moving over to Linux from windoze will try to make Linux look and behave like windoze and thereby missing the whole point of moving to Linux in the first place. Some folks even take this to extremes (due to misunderstanding) and run *all the time* logged in as root... the way some windoze users always logon as administrator. The problem is that root on unix-like systems is absolutely dangerous... unlike the semi bogus administrator logon of windoze. If you force yourself to work within the restrictions of the unix system then the restrictions of the system will protect you and even become your friend. Just words to the wise. Hogwash! If I need access to something on a floppy drive why should I need to be root to get access? If I need to shut down MY computer for some reason why do I need root access? If I had a company and one of my employees needed something off a floppy I would hate to think they would have to wait hours for IT to get around to getting them access. It might just mean the difference in a sale or not. I can appreciate the need for some of the access restrictions in unix like systems. Mostly they are used in a business situation. You don't want every jack leg in the place screwing with the company system. I am not in an office/company situation. I'm in a home computer situation. I'm the only person that ever touches this computer. There should be some switch somewhere that will allow for home use. Some things do need root access. Most everyday things should not. Access to information on other drives is not one that should be hindered. I see it sort of like the government interference in our everyday lives. If I'm driving in a reckless manner, that's their business, I'm endangering others. If I want to hit myself in the head repeatedly with a ball bat, that's my business. I'm not hurting anyone but myself. [ I know bad analogy - it's late for me and I have to get up EARLY so I'm in a hurry ] -- (o:]*HUGGLES*[:o) Billie Walsh The three best words in the English Language: I LOVE YOU Pass them on! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Consistency with power privileges
* Billie Erin Walsh [EMAIL PROTECTED] [02-25-07 22:11]: Hogwash! :^) If I need access to something on a floppy drive why should I need to be root to get access? you don't. If I need to shut down MY computer for some reason why do I need root access? you don't. If I had a company and one of my employees needed something off a floppy I would hate to think they would have to wait hours for IT to get around to getting them access. It might just mean the difference in a sale or not. I can appreciate the need for some of the access restrictions in unix like systems. Mostly they are used in a business situation. You don't want every jack leg in the place screwing with the company system. I am not in an office/company situation. I'm in a home computer situation. I'm the only person that ever touches this computer. There should be some switch somewhere that will allow for home use. There is, but not just one. You are the administrator of *your* machine. Set it up however you want it and quit complaining. You can set sudo to run w/o a password and run anything root owns. You can open all your devices to the whole world. Security on your machine is your prerogative. It doesn't come that way because *most* situations do not warrent that much openness. Do your own thing. And the 'switch' your looking for is present. It allows power to flow to the components of your computer. -- Patrick ShanahanRegistered Linux User #207535 http://wahoo.no-ip.org@ http://counter.li.org HOG # US1244711 Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 OpenSUSE Linux http://en.opensuse.org/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Consistency with power privileges
On Feb 25, 2007, at 9:09 PM, Billie Erin Walsh wrote: Hogwash! If I need access to something on a floppy drive why should I need to be root to get access? If I need to shut down MY computer for some reason why do I need root access? If I had a company and one of my employees needed something off a floppy I would hate to think they would have to wait hours for IT to get around to getting them access. It might just mean the difference in a sale or not. I can appreciate the need for some of the access restrictions in unix like systems. Mostly they are used in a business situation. You don't want every jack leg in the place screwing with the company system. I am not in an office/company situation. I'm in a home computer situation. I'm the only person that ever touches this computer. There should be some switch somewhere that will allow for home use. Some things do need root access. Most everyday things should not. Access to information on other drives is not one that should be hindered. I see it sort of like the government interference in our everyday lives. If I'm driving in a reckless manner, that's their business, I'm endangering others. If I want to hit myself in the head repeatedly with a ball bat, that's my business. I'm not hurting anyone but myself. [ I know bad analogy - it's late for me and I have to get up EARLY so I'm in a hurry. sudo mount /dev/cdrom /media/cdrom Just put this in your /etc/sudoers file .. usernameALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD:ALL Note: replace username with your username This way you can keep the security of not letting anyone else do things they shouldn't. You do have to be root to edit the /etc/ sudoers file, so it's not like just anyone can add things to it. So this should work for your purposes. - Ben -- We should forgive our enemies. But not before they are hanged. Heinrich Heine -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] vnc remote connection problem
Anders Johansson wrote: On Sunday 25 February 2007 20:58, Dan wrote: Hello, I'm not sure if I have configured things correctly, but whenever I try to connect remotely via tight vnc viewer all I get is a grey screen. If I try via firefox I get this error: RFB 003.008 That looks like you're trying to connect to the VNC port, and not the webvnc port. Normal vnc is port 5900+screen, so screen 1 is 5901. webvnc is 5800+screen The grey screen could be that you haven't restarted kdm yet. This needs restarting, so the new settings can take effect. Try running rcxdm restart and then try vnc again On the other hand, if you have restarted xdm (or rebooted the entire server) since setting Remote Administration in yast, then something else must be wrong. In this case, look for error messages in /var/log/kdm.log (or the files in /var/log/gdm/ in case you're using gdm) Thanks, that worked perfectly. Dan. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Railworld does not run
On Sunday 25 February 2007 11:02:50 am James Knott wrote: J. Scott Thayer M.D. wrote: I am running Suse 10.2 x64 on an AMD 64 Turion (Acer Ferrari). Java is Java 1_5_0sun according to the Yast Software Manager module. How do you start that game? I've downloaded the jar file and even tried extracting the contents, but I can't find any way to actually run the game. Geeko Games RailWorld? I'm wondering if it is a 64-bit thingy. -- kai Free Compean and Ramos http://www.perfectreign.com/?q=node/46 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] FreeNX problem on 10.2
Hi, I have exactly the same problem as Elvis in this thread: http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse/2006-12/msg02820.html Unfortunately, this is the only place I have found at least someone mentioning this problem. I have tried all the suggestions in the thread, but still no success. Does anyone have an idea how to fix this? The server is 10.2 x86_64, running FreeNX-0.5.0-25 -- Svetoslav Milenov (Sunny) Even the most advanced equipment in the hands of the ignorant is just a pile of scrap. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Microsoft ordered to pay Alcatel-Lucent $1.5 bln in patent case - MarketWatch
On Saturday 24 February 2007 21:49:29 Nick Zentena wrote: On Saturday 24 February 2007 16:07, John Andersen wrote: It hasn't, up to now, been worth anyone's time to go after off ogg because there is no one to sue, but as soon as any major manufacturer makes devices that play ogg you can bet it will attract lawyers like flies to dead fish. http://www.samsung.com/sg/products/audio/mp3player/yp_t9abxsp.asp?page=Spec ifications I think Creative does to. and iAUDIO as well http://www.advancedmp3players.co.uk/shop/product_info.php?products_id=685 Mike -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Re: MTBF was: Re: About Backing Up
John Andersen wrote: Bad analogy. You don't get a new life from an insurance policy. You do get a new drive from a warranty. Actually, you don't get a new drive. You get someone else's broken drive that's been factory refurbished. At least from every manufacturer I've ever dealt with. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Hardware recommendation - CPU, etc.
John Andersen wrote: Hint: most dell product lines with odd numbered models are AMD and even number models are Intel. Most dell high performance models are intel. That tells you something right there. That's a good point, but I'd be careful reading too much into it. Dell and Intel have a lot of back-door dealings with each other. Dell didn't buy from AMD at *all* for years, for that reason. It could be Dell has an agreement with Intel to use their stuff in all the high-end boxes. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] CPU reviews or comparisons for the average Linux user?
Jonathan Wilson wrote: What runs KDE the fastest when you have all the standard office applications running (FireFox, OpenOffice, Kontact) and SpamAssassin starts sucking the life out of your box when Kontact checks for new mail? In that scenario, I think you'll find that how responsive your system is has more to do with how much RAM you have than how fast your CPU is. Those applications are all memory hogs, and swapping to disk will bog your system right down. I consider 512M a minimum, these days. Anything above 1G is probably past the point of diminishing returns for the kind of usage you're talking about, unless you're editing large image files in GIMP. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] group ware info
Jack Malone wrote: need to be able to use outlook for this to work I will check out the info later this week or next. Thanks. For what it's worth, Outlook can handle basic appointments and meeting requests without any server support at all. You only need server support if you need free/busy information. How many users do you need to support? Scalix Server has full Outlook support for up to 25 people in its free Community Edition: http://www.scalix.com/ If you want to run it on OpenSUSE, though, you'll need to use OpenSUSE 10.1. 10.2 has a Python version that's too new for the current Scalix packages. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] broken HD, data recovery possible?
Hi! I don't use ReiserFS, but I have a copy of Paragon's Partition Manager on one of my Win clients which does see ReiserFS partitions. A quick check of the User manual reveals that this program formats, copies, resizes and moves ReiserFS partitions. You can downloadl a trial version from http://www.paragon-software.com/demo.htm. The commercial version costs $50 and supports a bootable CD or floppy with the program. If your data is worth $50 it might be a solution. (It's also a good utility to have around ...) Regards, Daniel Daniel Bauer wrote: Hi everybody, The HD (with Suse 10.0, ReiserFS) of my moms old laptop is broken and I thought, maybe there's a possibility to revover her e-mails and some OOo textfiles, but google wouldn't help me (I probably search wrong - find only commercial ads...). Trying to mount /dev/hda1 or /dev/hda2 with the rescue system fails (it says: partition doesn't exist) The openSuse install CD says, parted cannot format the disk. reiserfsck says the SuperBlock cannot be read - and I cannot rebuild the Superblock with reiserfsck because I don't know what answers I should type to the questions it asks The only thing I know is that it's a 20 G disk with a swap, a root and a home partition (with reiserfs). But I don't even know the sizes of the partitions or the version of reiserfs... Is there a Linux tool to make a bootable CD, that will then search the disk and give possibility to save found files to a floppy? any hints? thanks Daniel begin:vcard fn:Daniel Feiglin n:Feiglin;Daniel email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] tel;work:972 9 8616204 tel;fax:972 9 8621052 tel;cell:927 52 3869986 version:2.1 end:vcard
Re: [opensuse] FreeNX problem on 10.2 nxclient rendering issue
On a fresh 10.2 install my nxclient 2.1.0-11 works, in that i get to the window desktop on a remote server (running nxserver/node), but its broke, objects come up from the windows desktop as blocks, no print, etc, i tried it out of compiz, still doesn't work. Not sure why you were not able to get past the connection phase, but when you do, you are probably then going to see the same issue i see, which is the rdp is screwed up in its rendering. I have licensed copies, I am going to get no-machine to check it out once i can put together the logs and shit they require, but i am not sure they have to support opensuse 10.2 as they don't have it listed (at least when i looked last). If you do get nxclient working on 10.2, please email me, I would love to know how to correct his. I have migrated all the programs i used on SLED10 to openSuse10.2, things like slickedit, vmware, opera, etc, everything is 100% perfect except nxclient is phucked. -tl On Sun, 2007-02-25 at 23:23 -0600, Sunny wrote: Hi, I have exactly the same problem as Elvis in this thread: http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse/2006-12/msg02820.html Unfortunately, this is the only place I have found at least someone mentioning this problem. I have tried all the suggestions in the thread, but still no success. Does anyone have an idea how to fix this? The server is 10.2 x86_64, running FreeNX-0.5.0-25 -- Svetoslav Milenov (Sunny) Even the most advanced equipment in the hands of the ignorant is just a pile of scrap. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Microsoft ordered to pay Alcatel-Lucent $1.5 bln in patent case - MarketWatch
On Sunday 25 February 2007 18:50, John Andersen wrote: Courts will not take such a fine view. They will merely rule that ogg violates the mp3 patents the first time the RIAA finds an mp3 inside of an ogg file. That will be enough to scare off adoption of ogg by any hardware manufacturers who are not already licensed for mp3. Don't believe me? Then explain why the RIAA gets a cut from every stack of blank CDroms you buy. I still maintain that in casual conversation or email, when 99% of people say ogg, they are not really talking about ogg the container but ogg/vorbis, the free and open audio format. Have you noticed that the encoder in vorbis tools is called oggenc, not vorbisenc? So what does the user say, I made vorbises of the tracks on this CD? I've never heard anyone say that. I have heard plenty of people say I made oggs of the tracks on this CD. Just because ogg is capable of containing various other formats does not mean that manufacturers would not make a player that can play ogg/vorbis. Cowon, for example, seems to be thriving on its line of ogg-capable players: http://www.cowonglobal.com/product/product_X5_feature.php People should start buying iAudios and others which play ogg/vorbis and refuse to buy iPods and others which do not play ogg/vorbis. I don't see how RIAA getting a cut of blank CD-ROMs has any effect on this point. Bryan -- *** Powered by Kubuntu Linux 6.06 KDE 3.5.2KMail 1.9.1 This is a Microsoft-free computer Bryan S. Tyson [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] Getting 2nd DVD drive to work properly.
With the change in the system and how DVD/CD drives are seen by the system, I'm at a loss as to how to get the second drive on my new box to work properly in 10.2. The 1st DVD drive is a LightScribe drive, which works fine burning and reading disks. The 2nd drive is just a DVD ROM. What is strange is that most software, including K9copy, K3B and Konq. can see the drive, however, NONE can view any contents of any type. One of the errors I get is that it isn't a valid directory, and another that I should check permissions. As a user, I am in the cdrom group. Is there anything I can do to fix this? Thanks, Fred -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Consistency with power privileges
On Sunday 25 February 2007 20:32, John Andersen wrote: Any necessity to acquire root authority to suspend a laptop is a hold over from a bygone era. The rest of your rant is totally based on this misguided idea so I won't bother a point by point analysis. I'll give you a real world example (however trivial) that may illustrate my point a little better. I manage a network, and a home network, where I connect my laptop via wifi and sometimes share it with other users. While my son is using the laptop (for instance) I am also logged into it (sometimes with a remote desk) from my den. I do not want him to be able to shutdown the machine (or suspend it, or hibernate it) while I'm logged into it. In fact, I don't want him to be able to alter that machine in the slightest. He is allowed to signon to it, use it for the purpose we have intended for it, play in his own virtual address space to his hearts content, and then log out. I need to be able to monitor his activity, and access my own resources often at the same time. So, that machine suspends or hibernates only with my own authority (sudo / root). However, as Patrick and Benjamin have pointed out... this is the default for good reason... but it can be easily modified as the situation warrants. The thing I try to encourage (and probably from my security paranoia days at IBM) is that the default should be *locked down* and then opened as warranted... instead of the windoze paradigm which leaves the entire system open (say backdoors, front doors, screen doors, holes in the foundation, leaks in the roof... etc) only closing them under presure as crackers exploit them one by one by one. Its not a rant, and its not a soapbox... its just a paradigm shift. -- Kind regards, M Harris -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Microsoft ordered to pay Alcatel-Lucent $1.5 bln in patent case - MarketWatch
Am Montag, 26. Februar 2007 schrieb Bryan S. Tyson: People should start [...] I don't think that People should ... is within the scope of this list. Put your preaching on slashdot. you might even get an article there. -- *** Powered by Kubuntu Linux 6.06 kubuntu is also not withinhe scope of this list. bye, MH -- gpg key fingerprint: 5F64 4C92 9B77 DE37 D184 C5F9 B013 44E7 27BD 763C -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Consistency with power privileges
On Sunday 25 February 2007, M Harris wrote: . I do not want him to be able to shutdown the machine (or suspend it, or hibernate it) while I'm logged into it. That you can think of a single case that goes against the norm does not change the fact that a laptop is THE MOST personal of computers, where 99.999% of them are used by a single person at a time. Therefore the standard IS and SHOULD BE that root is NOT required to power down or suspend laptops. Those 00.001% of the people who allow simultaneous connections to the laptop can go the extra distance to secure the system against accidental shutdown. What security expert sits a child at the console and then in the same breath preaches security as a reason to inconvenience the vast majority of users? -- _ John Andersen -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-packaging] .la files and dependencies, again
Hi, just in case someone is still interested: Some packages have really creative and funny ways to defeat dependencies that are purely artificially generated by .la files. Bizarre example: http://svn.gnome.org/viewcvs/pango/trunk/sanitize-la.sh?revision=556view=markup http://svn.gnome.org/viewcvs/pango/trunk/pango/Makefile.am?r1=551r2=556 Andreas Hanke -- Feel free - 5 GB Mailbox, 50 FreeSMS/Monat ... Jetzt GMX ProMail testen: www.gmx.net/de/go/mailfooter/promail-out - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-packaging] .la files and dependencies, again
Hi, Some packages have really creative and funny ways to defeat dependencies that are purely artificially generated by .la files. just before I forget, the explanation why they are doing that: It's _very much_ desired to not expose the rather fragile freetype ABI via pango, but the .la files do it anyway, even if static libraries are not even built. Unfortunately it doesn't actually work because nowadays, pango integrates with cairo and cairo.la has /usr/lib/libfreetype.la in its dependency_libs line. The result is very sad: # ldd -u -r /usr/bin/* 2/dev/null | grep libfreetype\\.so\\.6 | wc -l 200 200 executables that possibly break if freetype breaks ABI although they don't have to. Andreas Hanke -- Feel free - 5 GB Mailbox, 50 FreeSMS/Monat ... Jetzt GMX ProMail testen: www.gmx.net/de/go/mailfooter/promail-out - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
