CSBlood Letting, Iron overload, ( all very ancient )

[Wayne Fugitt]

Morning Sol.

 At 11:42 PM 12/19/2008, you wrote:
Not every one is allowd to donate at all. And you can get turned 
away for having an elevated BP or temp on the day.


  Yes, that happens often.

  One can do the blood letting at home.  Only a needle, tube and a 
jar is needed.

I have done it a few times, until I realized it all seemed like a wasted cause.

Bloodletting is ancient, it even killed our first president,  George 
Washington.

It took 3 genius doctors to do it, . if I recall correctly.

I am sure no one understood what was happening, several hundred years 
ago, any better than it is understood now.


Some thing is missing, something no one is telling us, not sure what.

So it is a good idea IMHO, to institute measures that slow down iron 
loading between donations.


   Iron overload is about as confusing as blood letting.  There are 
thousands of terms

associated with Iron Overload.  Few are clear and adequately defined.

Some of the terms make little sense to me.  Hereditary Iron for one.

Since the early history of medicine, and the early doctors, it has 
always been a case of


 The Blind Leading the Blind,  much the same way today.

One of the best examples is,  What happened when the first doctor said,

 We have to wash our hands between patients.

Almost forgot, another proven method of blood letting it to,

Get into a fight with the right guy.

The problem is accurate measurement.  Yes, I have done it that way 
too. ( blood in the street )



I personally AM donating, and plan to continue. But I also take 
other measures. Including stopping oral vit C.


   It is a good think you do not make it, like the lowly house fly, 
and most other critters on the earth.


If you could make it, in the same proportion relative to body weight, 
most people would make,


   2.8 grams per day.

No need to say much about Vitamin C.


Wayne

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CSRemoving biofilm

[Nenah Sylver]

I was looking up biofilm and saw the following site:

http://www.lenntech.com/biofilm_removal.htm 

 

They discuss removing biofilm from water systems using chlorine dioxide
(MMS) or ozone. I thought that was interesting, as it could also apply to
the mouth.

 

Regards,

Nenah

 

RE: CSRemoving biofilm

[ransley]

They discuss removing biofilm from water systems using chlorine dioxide
(MMS) or ozone. I thought that was interesting, as it could also apply to
the mouth.

 

Nenah- 

 

Keep in mind that I can't prove a word of this... Long story short: I
started MMS in September '07 for a mild right upper toothache. In very short
order, MMS was burning out a biofilm that stretched from the the top my my
right sinuses and all through my right sinuses, down my right Eustachian
tube and into the top right quadrant of my heart. I had no idea that it was
there. Alas, my infection eventually became resistant to MMS and began to
come back despite my increasing doses of MMS. Eventually I could not handle
the nausea and I do think that overuse of MMS will deplete vitamin c and
other nutrients and cause oxidative damage. I ended up with severe angina
from it. I have since successfully used other protocols, most notably
including lemon juice, iodine and DMSO to kill off this infection and to
reclaim my circulatory system.

 

My MMS experience is similar to my silver experience and to my experences
with various electro-devices: initial success then failure. I'm not knocking
any of them, they all bought me time while I continued living and learning.
What I have discovered for myself is that all that is said by the followers
of Bechamp appears to be true for me, that I could not get well until I
treated the terrain correctly. For me that meant ions, vitamin C, iodine,
magnesium, salt, various trace elements and minerals and of course good
food. Also had to quit coffee. There's more but Christmas is closing in
fast.

 

Daddybob

Re: CSBlood Letting, Iron overload, ( all very ancient )

[Deborah Gerard]

Can I ask two questions on this?
Do you stop the vit C before donating?
Any health benefits from selling plasma?
thankd debbie

--- On Sat, 12/20/08, Wayne Fugitt cwf...@fugitt.com wrote:

From: Wayne Fugitt cwf...@fugitt.com
Subject: CSBlood Letting, Iron overload, ( all very ancient )
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Saturday, December 20, 2008, 4:16 AM

Morning Sol.

 At 11:42 PM 12/19/2008, you wrote:
 Not every one is allowd to donate at all. And you can get turned away for
having an elevated BP or temp on the day.

  Yes, that happens often.

  One can do the blood letting at home.  Only a needle, tube and a jar is
needed.
I have done it a few times, until I realized it all seemed like a wasted cause.

Bloodletting is ancient, it even killed our first president,  George
Washington.
It took 3 genius doctors to do it, . if I recall correctly.

I am sure no one understood what was happening, several hundred years ago, any
better than it is understood now.

Some thing is missing, something no one is telling us, not sure what.

 So it is a good idea IMHO, to institute measures that slow down iron
loading between donations.

   Iron overload is about as confusing as blood letting.  There are thousands
of terms
associated with Iron Overload.  Few are clear and adequately defined.

Some of the terms make little sense to me.  Hereditary Iron for
one.

Since the early history of medicine, and the early doctors, it has always been
a case of

 The Blind Leading the Blind,  much the same way today.

One of the best examples is,  What happened when the first doctor said,

 We have to wash our hands between patients.

Almost forgot, another proven method of blood letting it to,

Get into a fight with the right guy.

The problem is accurate measurement.  Yes, I have done it that way too. ( blood
in the street )


 I personally AM donating, and plan to continue. But I also take other
measures. Including stopping oral vit C.

   It is a good think you do not make it, like the lowly house fly, and most
other critters on the earth.

If you could make it, in the same proportion relative to body weight, most
people would make,

   2.8 grams per day.

No need to say much about Vitamin C.


Wayne

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Re: CS(fwd) [DrClark] AN INSTANT CURE FOR MORGELLON'S DISEASE

[ian_ontario]

Hello:

Yes, MMS did help my friend eliminate Morgellons disease.  She took one drop 
the first night and was having blowouts in the bathroom within 40 minutes. 
The creepy crawly feeling left overnight.  The most dramatic developments 
were within the first few days.  In two days her arthritic pain was gone. 
Her energy level was up within a week.  Within two weeks the lesions had 
totally healed and with a month or two she was totally free of it, as well 
as a cancerous vaginal tumor the size of a walnut. (her cancer was the 
second time round and the doctors told her there was nothing they could do.) 
She discovered the alfalfa as well somewhere through that process but the 
healing was initiated by the MMS.  MMS just doesn't like parasites period. 
There is a video available at www.miraclemineral.org that is worth getting.


Ian Roe

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From: Clayton Family clay...@skypoint.com
Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 10:40 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS(fwd) [DrClark] AN INSTANT CURE FOR MORGELLON'S DISEASE

Question:   I thought that color safe bleach was peroxide. Also that 
peroxide is not similar to chlorine dioxide, I thought it worked in a 
different way. My chemistry is rusty, though. The editor here is confusing 
me, which is not hard to do at times. It might be interesting to see if 
the chlorine dioxide works for morgellons also, but it is not a peroxide 
bath, it would be more like a  bleach bath.  This post is similar to the 
one I read before- I thought it was posted here, but apparently I don't 
have my archives going back that far.  -k.


On Dec 11, 2008, at 11:43 PM, Heidrun Beer wrote:



Editor's note: The primary ingredient in this discovery was the
laundry detergent with color-safe bleach. The bleach is an oxidizer




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Re: Vit C warnings, was Re: CSVitamin D Questions

[Day Sutton]

I take 10 grams daily of oral VitC as did Linus Pauling.  My iron level is
always in order.  I haven't donated blood for almost, a year.  Time to
donate again..

On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 12:42 AM, sol sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com wrote:

 Day Sutton wrote:

 easy to get rid of; just donate blood.  help yourself and others
 too.(whole blood, not plasma)

 Not every one is allowd to donate at all. And you can get turned away for
 having an elevated BP or temp on the day.
 So it is a good idea IMHO, to institute measures that slow down iron
 loading between donations.
 I personally AM donating, and plan to continue. But I also take other
 measures. Including stopping oral vit C.

 sol


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Re: Vit C warnings, was Re: CSVitamin D Questions

[Day Sutton]

BTW they say that the massave doses of VitC that Dr. Pauling took all his
life finally killed him at the age of 94.

On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 9:42 AM, Day Sutton day.sut...@gmail.com wrote:

 I take 10 grams daily of oral VitC as did Linus Pauling.  My iron level is
 always in order.  I haven't donated blood for almost, a year.  Time to
 donate again..


 On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 12:42 AM, sol sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com wrote:

 Day Sutton wrote:

 easy to get rid of; just donate blood.  help yourself and others
 too.(whole blood, not plasma)

 Not every one is allowd to donate at all. And you can get turned away for
 having an elevated BP or temp on the day.
 So it is a good idea IMHO, to institute measures that slow down iron
 loading between donations.
 I personally AM donating, and plan to continue. But I also take other
 measures. Including stopping oral vit C.

 sol


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CSRE: silver-digest Digest V2008 #690

[Mary Ellen Murphy]

I cannot remember how to get to the forum but I need some help.  I just had
eye surgery and I think there is an infection.  I cannot take antibiotics.
Will the colloidal silver help.  Can I put it in my eye.

 

Thanks

Mary Ellen

 

  _  

From: silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com
[mailto:silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com] 
Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2008 6:51 AM
To: silver-dig...@eskimo.com
Subject: silver-digest Digest V2008 #690

 

 

Re: CSRE: silver-digest Digest V2008 #690

[Day Sutton]

Yes, and yes.  I'm sure otheres on the list will agree. wait for more
replies

On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 10:04 AM, Mary Ellen Murphy 
maryelle...@bellsouth.net wrote:

  I cannot remember how to get to the forum but I need some help.  I just
 had eye surgery and I think there is an infection.  I cannot take
 antibiotics.  Will the colloidal silver help.  Can I put it in my eye.



 Thanks

 Mary Ellen


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 silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com]
 *Sent:* Saturday, December 20, 2008 6:51 AM
 *To:* silver-dig...@eskimo.com
 *Subject:* silver-digest Digest V2008 #690








-- 
Day Sutton
day.sut...@gmail.com

CSsilver-digest Digest V2008 #690

[marmar845]

Mary Ellen -- you're on the forum. Yes -- you can put CS in your eye. Many people use it for minor irritations up to and including pink eye. I presume you are referring to home-made EIS in the range of 10 ppm. It may sting when you put it in. Other people will reply with more information. I wish you well. MA


-- Original message from "Mary Ellen Murphy" maryelle...@bellsouth.net: -- 








I cannot remember how to get to the forum but I need some help. I just had eye surgery and I think there is an infection. I cannot take antibiotics. Will the colloidal silver help. Can I put it in my eye.

Thanks
Mary Ellen




From: silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com [mailto:silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com] Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2008 6:51 AMTo: silver-dig...@eskimo.comSubject: silver-digest Digest V2008 #690

RE: CS(fwd) [DrClark] AN INSTANT CURE FOR MORGELLON'S DISEASE

[jessie70]

Does Morgellans itch? Jess

-Original Message-
From: ian_onta...@hotmail.com [mailto:ian_onta...@hotmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2008 9:35 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS(fwd) [DrClark] AN INSTANT CURE FOR MORGELLON'S DISEASE


Hello:

Yes, MMS did help my friend eliminate Morgellons disease.  She took one drop
the first night and was having blowouts in the bathroom within 40 minutes.
The creepy crawly feeling left overnight.  The most dramatic developments
were within the first few days.  In two days her arthritic pain was gone.
Her energy level was up within a week.  Within two weeks the lesions had
totally healed and with a month or two she was totally free of it, as well
as a cancerous vaginal tumor the size of a walnut. (her cancer was the
second time round and the doctors told her there was nothing they could do.)
She discovered the alfalfa as well somewhere through that process but the
healing was initiated by the MMS.  MMS just doesn't like parasites period.
There is a video available at www.miraclemineral.org that is worth getting.

Ian Roe

--
From: Clayton Family clay...@skypoint.com
Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 10:40 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS(fwd) [DrClark] AN INSTANT CURE FOR MORGELLON'S DISEASE

 Question:   I thought that color safe bleach was peroxide. Also that
 peroxide is not similar to chlorine dioxide, I thought it worked in a
 different way. My chemistry is rusty, though. The editor here is confusing
 me, which is not hard to do at times. It might be interesting to see if
 the chlorine dioxide works for morgellons also, but it is not a peroxide
 bath, it would be more like a  bleach bath.  This post is similar to the
 one I read before- I thought it was posted here, but apparently I don't
 have my archives going back that far.  -k.

 On Dec 11, 2008, at 11:43 PM, Heidrun Beer wrote:


 Editor's note: The primary ingredient in this discovery was the
 laundry detergent with color-safe bleach. The bleach is an oxidizer



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CS Vit. D and Colon cancer

[Harold MacDonald]

It is important that ONLY Vitamin D3 is used as D2 is not pure natural D.
I have found many supplement compounds use D2, so read the labels.
Harold.
Vitamin D can affect a colon cancer cell by adjusting everything from its 
gene expression to its cytoskeleton. Recent research shows that one pathway 
governs the vitamin's diverse effects, a result which helps to clarify the 
actions of a molecule that is undergoing clinical trials as a cancer 
therapy.
Vitamin D stymies colon cancer cells in two ways -- it switches on certain 
genes, and it induces effects on the cytoskeleton. The net result is to curb 
cell division and cause colon cancer cells to differentiate into epithelial 
cells that settle down instead of spreading.


The recent study is the first to show that vitamin D's genomic and 
nongenomic effects use one simultaneous pathway and integrate to regulate 
cell physiology.


Sources:
 a.. Science Daily November 26, 2008
 a.. Journal of Cell Biology November 17, 2008; 183(4):697-710



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Re: Vit C warnings, was Re: CSVitamin D Questions

[sol]

If I took 10 grams of Vit C I'd be dead of dehydration from diarrhea.
My max tolerance for oral  C varied between 250 and 500 mg. Never 
developed beyond that without extreme GI effects, and I tried for years.


Are you saying you had iron overload? To what level? How long did it 
take to get it down? What is your diet?

sol

Day Sutton wrote:
I take 10 grams daily of oral VitC as did Linus Pauling.  My iron 
level is always in order.  I haven't donated blood for almost, a 
year.  Time to donate again..





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Re: Vit C warnings, was Re: CSVitamin D Questions

[sol]

At 94 something is gonna get ya.But he'd been ill for a few 
years by then, if I recall correctly.

sol

Day Sutton wrote:
BTW they say that the massave doses of VitC that Dr. Pauling took all 
his life finally killed him at the age of 94.



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Re: Vit C warnings, was Re: CSVitamin D Questions

[Pat]

I have problems taking vitamin C pills, but I can take 4,000 mg vitamin C if 
it's Buffered Vitamin C powder.  I can also use Sodium Ascorbate powder without 
problem and that's better than an antihistamine pill for nasal allergy problems.


 Pat


  





From: sol sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2008 12:25:02 PM
Subject: Re: Vit C warnings, was Re: CSVitamin D Questions

If I took 10 grams of Vit C I'd be dead of dehydration from diarrhea.
My max tolerance for oral  C varied between 250 and 500 mg. Never developed 
beyond that without extreme GI effects, and I tried for years.


  

RE: CSMeasuring CS with a spectrophotometer or colorimeter

[Jim Meissner yahoo]

Dear Steve:

I am wondering what the purpose of your questions are?
  
If you are looking for a way to measure the colloidal silver you are making,
then I have a suggestion.  Very likely you would be making ionic silver with
a very small percentage of particles.  In that case the $60 Hanna PWT, pure
water tester, works extremely well for testing ionic silver.  In the case of
my nano silver generator the calibration of the PWT in uS is exactly the
same as PPM, 15 uS is 15 PPM.  I think it is a fortuitous accident that the
readings agree.

So far as I know there is no easy way to test particles.  Very few people
are able to make particles so there is no need to test that for the average
home made colloidal silver.

Frank Key tested my silver with his fancy $300,000 machine.  You had asked
about calibration.  I watched the testing and asked a few questions.  It
seems that you feed (1) pure distilled water, then (2) a certified
calibration solution and then (3) the silver solution to be tested.  The
system automatically does this sequence three times and averages the
results.  It looked like a plasma source burned the solution and then the
spectrometer measured the peak amplitude vs. frequency.

See the test reports done by Frank Key on my generator
 http://meissnerresearch.com/products/silver-generator .

Jim Meissner   

-Original Message-
From: Norton, Steve [mailto:stephen.nor...@ngc.com] 
Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 7:08 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CSMeasuring CS with a spectrophotometer or colorimeter

Thanks Marshall, 
The pictures and plots are very informative. I believe you are right
about trying to measure ppm without digesting the silver won't work.
Your explanation has helped tremendously in understanding the theory and
operation of colorimeters and  spectrophotometers.
 - Steve N

-Original Message-
From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@king-cart.com] 
Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 2:17 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSMeasuring CS with a spectrophotometer or colorimeter

Norton, Steve wrote:
  

 Re.: picking the right frequency,

 I'm glad you brought that up. If one was to consider calibrating a 
 spectrophotometer to use for measuring ppm as well as particle size 
 distribution, there is the problem that light absorption by a sample 
 of CS at a specific wavelength could vary from lot to lot based on the

 particle size distribution of the sample. Should one make the ppm 
 measurement at the point of maximum absorption, at some intermediate 
 average point or would one need to make measurements over the 
 distribution and average the results.
 I assume that the colorimeter avoids this problem because by digesting

 the silver, you convert all the silver to the same particle size. Do

 you know what wavelength your colorimeter uses when making the 
 measurement for silver?
 Thanks,
  Steve N


   
If you run it on plain old EIS, then you can get a curve which will give
you some idea of the particle sizes.  For ppm measurement, you first
digest the silver. Thus you have no particles at all, it is 100% silver
salts. I use nitric acid, and thus it is silver nitrate.  Then chemicals
are added that give it a very strong color, if I remember right it turns
violet.  The wavelength that is then used is for the violet color that
the chemical changes the silver to.  I doubt you could come up with a
good way to get ppm from a curve of the undigested and treated EIS,
absorption changes so much depending on size and shape of the particles.
To see some typical curves of different ppm and particle size of EIS see
the following:

http://silver-lightning.com/hach/oral.GIF
http://silver-lightning.com/hach/oral2.GIF
http://silver-lightning.com/hach/oral3.GIF
http://silver-lightning.com/hach/topical.GIF

These are in ever increasing particle size.  The leftmost peak is the
absorption of the silver ion, that is ionic silver. All other peaks
correspond to particles, with larger being more to the right generally.

HIf you look at http://silver-lightning.com/hach/agno3.GIF that is the
absorption of silver nitrate. The reason that  this one appears so much
wider than the others is that I expanded the X axis to show more detail
since there was no absorption at the longer wavelengths (that is all the
absorption was in the uv range.

You can see the changes in the color of CS as particle size increases
here: http://silver-lightning.com/cs-color.jpg and the actual absorption
curves vs particl size here http://silver-lightning.com/cs-curves.jpg

Marshall

 -Original Message-
 From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@king-cart.com]
 Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 10:29 AM
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Subject: Re: CSMeasuring CS with a spectrophotometer or colorimeter

 Norton, Steve wrote:
   
 Thanks Marshall,
 That helps. The info online relative to colorimeters does mention 
 digesting substances but I was unclear on how that might apply to 
 silver 

Re: CSRE: silver-digest Digest V2008 #690

[Arlene Hansen]

Hello Mary

I am new to this site and I too am clueless as to how to access it.  If you 
find out, would you be so kind as to let me know.

thank you.

arlene
in
california





From: Mary Ellen Murphy maryelle...@bellsouth.net
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2008 7:04:15 AM
Subject: CSRE: silver-digest Digest V2008 #690

 
I cannot remember how to get to the forum
but I need some help.  I just had eye surgery and I think there is an
infection.  I cannot take antibiotics.  Will the colloidal silver help.  Can I
put it in my eye.
 
Thanks
Mary Ellen
 


 
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] 
Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2008
6:51 AM
To: silver-dig...@eskimo.com
Subject: silver-digest Digest
V2008 #690


  

Re: Vit C warnings, was Re: CSVitamin D Questions

[Dee Fitzpatrick]

I somehow think that it wouldn't have been the Vit C that was responsible! 
dee 
 
---Original Message---
 
From: Day Sutton
Date: 20/12/2008 14:43:32
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: Vit C warnings, was Re: CSVitamin D Questions
 
BTW they say that the massave doses of VitC that Dr. Pauling took all his
life finally killed him at the age of 94.


On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 9:42 AM, Day Sutton day.sut...@gmail.com wrote:

I take 10 grams daily of oral VitC as did Linus Pauling.  My iron level is 
always in order.  I haven't donated blood for almost, a year.  Time to donate 
again.. 

Re: Vit C warnings, was Re: CSVitamin D Questions

[Clayton Family]

LOL!!!

right, like we live forever. Maybe he died of old age, like in the 
olden days.


On Dec 20, 2008, at 8:43 AM, Day Sutton wrote:

BTW they say that the massave doses of VitC that Dr. Pauling took all 
his life finally killed him at the age of 94.


On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 9:42 AM, Day Sutton day.sut...@gmail.com 
wrote:
I take 10 grams daily of oral VitC as did Linus Pauling.  My iron 
level is always in order.  I haven't donated blood for almost, a 
year.  Time to donate again..



On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 12:42 AM, sol sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com 
wrote:

Day Sutton wrote:
easy to get rid of; just donate blood.  help yourself and others 
too.(whole blood, not plasma)


 So it is a good idea IMHO, to institute measures that slow down 
iron loading between donations.
 I personally AM donating, and plan to continue. But I also take 
other measures. Including stopping oral vit C.


 sol



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Re: Vit C warnings, was Re: CSVitamin D Questions

[Day Sutton]

Iron level was not bad, but my chelation Dr. said to donate some whole
blood, to bring it down.
I didn't start with 10 grams.  started with 500mg caps and graduated to
Ascorbic Acid powder later on. gradually went up to 10 without bathroom
interruptions..

On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 12:25 PM, sol sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com wrote:

 If I took 10 grams of Vit C I'd be dead of dehydration from diarrhea.
 My max tolerance for oral  C varied between 250 and 500 mg. Never developed
 beyond that without extreme GI effects, and I tried for years.

 Are you saying you had iron overload? To what level? How long did it take
 to get it down? What is your diet?
 sol

 Day Sutton wrote:

 I take 10 grams daily of oral VitC as did Linus Pauling.  My iron level is
 always in order.  I haven't donated blood for almost, a year.  Time to
 donate again..



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Re: CSMeasuring CS with a spectrophotometer or colorimeter

[Norton, Steve]

I tried posting this once but if it posted it did not echo back to me. 


Jim,
Actually I got interested in this after two posters here expressed an interest 
in lab testing of their CS. At least one using HVAC. Curious of what lab 
testing costs, I looked around for labs. Frank Keys appears the best, Sovereign 
Silver's lab appears questionable and costs may be lower at a university lab 
but I wondered if they would do a good test. So I started looking to see if one 
could do it cheaply at home including particle size distribution. It appears 
that you can with only an old spectrophotometer. 
Having learned more about measuring CS from Marshall and others, I think one 
could measure ppm accurately with a homemade colorimeter using an LED and a 
photodetector and making your own cibration solutions. 
I do make EIS but I also make silver citrate (SC) at a relatively high ppm. The 
SC uses a fairly high current due to the low resistance of the citric acid 
solution and there is no ionic silver since any silver ions bond to citrate. 
Currently I uss the Herx Farady Calculator for estimating the ppm of the SC. 
Much of what I am doing is more educational than necessary although I thought 
that if I found inexpensive ways to measure ppm accurately and possibly 
particle size distribution some few others might be interested in the results. 
Nothing I am doing is new but it is low cost that I am looking for. Certainly I 
won't duplicate Frank Keys capability but it should be quite sufficient in my 
opinion. 
Thanks,
Steve N



Posted by Jim Meissner:

Dear Steve:

I am wondering what the purpose of your questions are?
  
If you are looking for a way to measure the colloidal silver you are making,
then I have a suggestion.  Very likely you would be making ionic silver with
a very small percentage of particles.  In that case the $60 Hanna PWT, pure
water tester, works extremely well for testing ionic silver.  In the case of
my nano silver generator the calibration of the PWT in uS is exactly the
same as PPM, 15 uS is 15 PPM.  I think it is a fortuitous accident that the
readings agree.

So far as I know there is no easy way to test particles.  Very few people
are able to make particles so there is no need to test that for the average
home made colloidal silver.

Frank Key tested my silver with his fancy $300,000 machine.  You had asked
about calibration.  I watched the testing and asked a few questions.  It
seems that you feed (1) pure distilled water, then (2) a certified
calibration solution and then (3) the silver solution to be tested.  The
system automatically does this sequence three times and averages the
results.  It looked like a plasma source burned the solution and then the
spectrometer measured the peak amplitude vs. frequency.

See the test reports done by Frank Key on my generator
 http://meissnerresearch.com/products/silver-generator .

Jim Meissner   

Re: Vit C warnings, was Re: CSVitamin D Questions

[cking001]

My theory is not enough sex, and I'm sticking to it.

Chuck
Puns are bad, but poetry is verse.

On 12/20/2008 9:43:23 AM, Day Sutton (day.sut...@gmail.com) wrote:
 BTW they say that the massave doses of VitC that Dr. Pauling took all his
 life finally killed him at the age of 94.
 
 On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 9:42 AM, Day Sutton day.sut...@gmail.com [link:
 mailto:day.sut...@gmail.com] wrote:
 I take 10 grams daily of oral VitC as did Linus Pauling. My iron level is
 always in order. I haven't donated blood for almost, a year. Time to donate 
 again..
 
 
 On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 12:42 AM, sol sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com [link: 
 mailto:sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com] wrote:
 Day Sutton wrote
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[cking001]

I do that daily.

Chuck
Psychoceramics: The study of crackpots.


On 12/20/2008 10:32:36 AM, Day Sutton (day.sut...@gmail.com) wrote:
 Yes, and yes. I'm sure otheres on the list will agree. wait for more 
 replies
 
 On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 10:04 AM, Mary Ellen Murphy 
 maryelle...@bellsouth.net [link: mailto:maryelle...@bellsouth.net] wrote:
 
 I cannot remember how to get to the forum but I need some help. I just had 
 eye surgery and I think there is an infection. I cannot take antibiotics. 
 Will the colloidal silver help. Can I put it in my eye.
 
 Thanks
 Mary Ellen
 
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Re: Vit C warnings, was Re: CSVitamin D Questions

[Wayne Fugitt]

At 11:59 AM 12/20/2008, you wrote:
I somehow think that it wouldn't
have been the Vit C that was responsible! dee 
If that be true,
 Why does it not happen to
everyone ?
Wayne
=


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Sutton
Date: 20/12/2008 14:43:32
To:
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Subject: Re: Vit C warnings, was Re: CSVitamin D
Questions

BTW they say that the massave doses of VitC that Dr. Pauling took all his
life finally killed him at the age of 94.
On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 9:42 AM, Day Sutton
day.sut...@gmail.com
wrote:
I take 10 grams daily of oral VitC as did Linus Pauling. My iron
level is always in order. I haven't donated blood for almost, a
year. Time to donate again.. 





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[Arlene Hansen]

Please unsubscribe me.  Too many e-mails.

thank you
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RE: CSTOOTH EMERGENCY

[Dianne France]

The oil of orageno worked for me too but I cut it with olive oil..lots less 
heat and it worked.

Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 18:32:34 -0500From: day.sut...@gmail.comto: 
silver-l...@eskimo.comsubject: Re: CSTOOTH EMERGENCYThis is HOT!, but It works 
overnight.  Soak a small piece of cotton with Oil of Orageno, place it on the 
offending tooth (between tooth and gum) and leave it overnight.   Let me know 
what you find
On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 5:51 PM, Smitty papad...@gmail.com wrote:
Go here for a YouTube video 
=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIV2JV7hmpoSmitty~~


On 12/19/08, Bob Banever bbane...@earthlink.net wrote: gwms62, I 
can tell you without a doubt the best treatment for a tooth ache is the baby 
Godzilla.  It is a simple electrical device that creates a small (3 - 6 volt) 
current that you shoot through the tooth.  The current will kill any bacteria 
inside the tooth or root, and get rid of the pain permanently.  In fact, it 
will stop a cavity from getting worse and stop the need for a root canal too.  
I'm not kidding.  Go to the Yahoo groups microelectricitygermkiller and join 
it.  You want to talk with either V or bG.  V actually makes and sells a 
very nice unit for $35.00 with alternating current, and they have photos and a 
YouTube video showing how to make one with simple batteries, sponge, wire, and 
rubber bands.  THIS DEVICE IS WORTH A THOUSAND TIMES WHAT IT COSTS! - 
Original Message - From: gwms...@optonline.net To: 
silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 1:09 PM Subject: 
CSTOOTH EMERGENCY Happy Holiday to All.  I'm in the middle of Christmas 
plans and I have a crashing tooth ache and sore throat.  I  have been gargling 
and drinking CS.  I have DMSO but not quite sure if I should use it along with 
CS on my tooth  H-E-L-P.


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Re: CSRE: silver-digest Digest V2008 #690

[Deborah Gerard]

Do you really Chuck can I ask why? I use MSM drops that Harold taught me to 
make to prevent cataracts. I would use cs for eye infections for sure ...do you 
use them as a preventive measure? thanks much ..debbie

--- On Sat, 12/20/08, cking...@nycap.rr.com cking...@nycap.rr.com wrote:

From: cking...@nycap.rr.com cking...@nycap.rr.com
Subject: Re: CSRE: silver-digest Digest V2008 #690
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Saturday, December 20, 2008, 3:28 PM

I do that daily.

Chuck
Psychoceramics: The study of crackpots.


On 12/20/2008 10:32:36 AM, Day Sutton (day.sut...@gmail.com) wrote:
 Yes, and yes. I'm sure otheres on the list will agree. wait for
more replies
 
 On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 10:04 AM, Mary Ellen Murphy
maryelle...@bellsouth.net [link: mailto:maryelle...@bellsouth.net]
wrote:
 
 I cannot remember how to get to the forum but I need some help. I just had
eye surgery and I think there is an infection. I cannot take antibiotics. Will
the colloidal silver help. Can I put it in my eye.
 
 Thanks
 Mary Ellen
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CSUpdate: success interrupted

[Indi]

I seem to have had a serious setback in treating my MRSA.
Until last Wednesday, it seemed I was sure to beat it using the Brooks
Bradley protocol of 75% CS, 10% DMSO, and 15% glycerine, topically and 
as a nasal spray. But on Wednesday aternoon, I noticed a small, itchy patch
of red skin on my left forearm. By bedtime, I was covered head to toe in
hives, and I still am. Also I am feverish, weak, dizzy, and short of breath.
This pretty much feels just as I felt before I discovered the CS.

Perhaps the DMSO carried something else into my bloodstream?
I applied it at night, put on cotton flannel pajamas, and went to sleep
every night (showering it off in the morning) for over a week before this 
happened.

Could the MRSA have become immune somehow to the treatment?
According to what I've read it can't do that, but it seems as if it has come
back stronger.

Has anyone had any similar experience, of getting well for awhile followed
by such a sudden relapse?

Thanks,
indi
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Re: CSUpdate: success interrupted

[cking001]

On relapses at the beginning of tratment, I suspect herxheimer
reaction do to the body being overwhelmed dealing with die-off of
pathogens. ( gets worse before it gets better)

OR, if you want to try another direction, I suggest trying a round of
MMS, a potent pathogen killer. http://mmsmiracle.com/
Best to get/read Humble's book. This is powerful stuff.

Chuck

Printers always die on page 999 of a 1000 page report!!!


On 12/20/2008 6:59:19 PM, Indi (indi.sha...@gmail.com) wrote:
 I seem to have had a serious setback in treating my MRSA.
 Until last Wednesday, it seemed I was sure to beat it using the Brooks
 Bradley protocol of 75% CS, 10% DMSO, and 15% glycerine, topically and
 as a nasal spray. But on Wednesday aternoon, I noticed a small, itchy
 patch
 of red skin on my left forearm. By bedtime, I was covered head to toe
 in
 hives, and I still am. Also I am feverish, weak, dizzy, and short of
 breath.
 This pretty much feels just as I felt before I discovered the CS.
 
 Perhaps the DMSO carried something else into my bloodstream?
 I applied it at night, put on cotton flannel pajamas, and went to sleep
 every night (showering it off in the morning) for over a week before this
 happened.
 
 Could the MRSA have become immune somehow to the treatment?
 According to what I've read it can't do that, but it seems as if it has
 come
 back stronger.
 
 Has anyone had any similar experience, of getting well for awhile
 followed
 by such a sudden relapse?
 
 Thanks,
 indi
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[marmar845]

Arlene -- you are accessing the site -- are you able to read this message? You are on the forum. There is no website per se -- there is a chat list and you are here! :-) MA


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Hello MaryI am new to this site and I too am clueless as to how to access it. If you find out, would you be so kind as to let me know.thank you.arleneincalifornia



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I cannot remember how to get to the forum but I need some help. I just had eye surgery and I think there is an infection. I cannot take antibiotics. Will the colloidal silver help. Can I put it in my eye.

Thanks
Mary Ellen




From: silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com [mailto: silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com ] Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2008 6:51 AMTo: silver-dig...@eskimo.comSubject: silver-digest Digest V2008 #690

CSPauling and Vit. C

[Shirley Reed]

  Pauling died of prostate cancer.  It came out before his death that he was
taking 43 grams of C daily.  His research had demonstrated that the highest
dose of Vit. C that still demonstrated some benefit was 42 grams per day.
So when it was made public that he was taking 43 grams, everyone speculated
that he had cancer.  Turned out correct.   I can't recall all the sources
for that info, but I recall feeling sad about the 43 grams because I felt
sure he had cancer when I heard that.  He was admirable for his ethical
stands even more than for his accomplishments in biochemistry and other
fields.  imhopj

Re: CSUpdate: success interrupted

[Indi]

Thanks for your reply, and for the link. 
I am hoping it's a herxheimer, but I just don't know. 
Straight CS applied topically and internally got this under
control for me in the past, so I'm going back to that for now.
I just downloaded part one of that book on mms, maybe I will try it after I
learn a bit more.

Cheers,
indi

On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 07:21:34PM -0500, cking...@nycap.rr.com wrote:
 On relapses at the beginning of tratment, I suspect herxheimer
 reaction do to the body being overwhelmed dealing with die-off of
 pathogens. ( gets worse before it gets better)
 
 OR, if you want to try another direction, I suggest trying a round of
 MMS, a potent pathogen killer. http://mmsmiracle.com/
 Best to get/read Humble's book. This is powerful stuff.
 
   Chuck
 
 Printers always die on page 999 of a 1000 page report!!!
 
 
 On 12/20/2008 6:59:19 PM, Indi (indi.sha...@gmail.com) wrote:
  I seem to have had a serious setback in treating my MRSA.
  Until last Wednesday, it seemed I was sure to beat it using the Brooks
  Bradley protocol of 75% CS, 10% DMSO, and 15% glycerine, topically and
  as a nasal spray. But on Wednesday aternoon, I noticed a small, itchy
  patch
  of red skin on my left forearm. By bedtime, I was covered head to toe
  in
  hives, and I still am. Also I am feverish, weak, dizzy, and short of
  breath.
  This pretty much feels just as I felt before I discovered the CS.
  
  Perhaps the DMSO carried something else into my bloodstream?
  I applied it at night, put on cotton flannel pajamas, and went to sleep
  every night (showering it off in the morning) for over a week before this
  happened.
  
  Could the MRSA have become immune somehow to the treatment?
  According to what I've read it can't do that, but it seems as if it has
  come
  back stronger.
  
  Has anyone had any similar experience, of getting well for awhile
  followed
  by such a sudden relapse?
  
  Thanks,
  indi

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Re: Vit C warnings, was Re: CSVitamin D Questions

[sol]

Day Sutton wrote:
Iron level was not bad, but my chelation Dr. said to donate some whole 
blood, to bring it down.
I didn't start with 10 grams.  started with 500mg caps and graduated 
to Ascorbic Acid powder later on. gradually went up to 10 without 
bathroom interruptions..




Exactly, and starting low and trying to build up is what I tried and 
tried for years, but I could never get beyond 500 mg reliably without 
the big D. Sometimes I could get away with 1000 mg in one dose, but 
never could determine why ok one day and disaster the next.

I DO have a sensitive gut, IBS-D for 30 years. Improving.
sol


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Re: CSUpdate: success interrupted

[sol]

That would be a typical allergic hives attack for me.
Try dropping the glycerin out of your mix and see if that helps.
http://www.pioneerthinking.com/glycerin.html
You could be having an allergic reaction to the glycerin?
I ahve a hard time thinking the hives are a direct response to the CS 
and DMSO, as I use those to STOP hives and eczema attacks.
And yes, if you had chemicals on your skin, from any source, soaps, 
detergents, lotions, the DMSO could have carried those into the skin.

sol

Indi wrote:

I seem to have had a serious setback in treating my MRSA.
Until last Wednesday, it seemed I was sure to beat it using the Brooks
Bradley protocol of 75% CS, 10% DMSO, and 15% glycerine, topically and 
as a nasal spray. But on Wednesday aternoon, I noticed a small, itchy patch

of red skin on my left forearm. By bedtime, I was covered head to toe in
hives, and I still am. Also I am feverish, weak, dizzy, and short of breath.
This pretty much feels just as I felt before I discovered the CS.

Perhaps the DMSO carried something else into my bloodstream?
I applied it at night, put on cotton flannel pajamas, and went to sleep
every night (showering it off in the morning) for over a week before this 
happened.

Could the MRSA have become immune somehow to the treatment?
According to what I've read it can't do that, but it seems as if it has come
back stronger.

Has anyone had any similar experience, of getting well for awhile followed
by such a sudden relapse?
  



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