Re: CS>Project [demagogue] again? Gimme a break!

[Malcolm]

On Sat, 2009-08-01 at 07:58 -0400, Ode Coyote wrote:
>  [ One who claims to 
> know the rules to justify playing cop, breaks another in the process.]
Izzat what you're doing?  Aahh, got it!
>  
> I don't care one iota, one way or the other, get it?
OHyeah!

why reply?  Why are you gnashing y'r tooth, sting-bat?  Izzit Too much
fun, being right just by denying someone else is? . . . 
 "Ooh no; 'I' didn' do dat"??  Oh, Yes you do; alla time, then you go
mysterioso spin-doc, paragraph after paragraph.
I call you on it.

Back to CS and such, ok?




> > >
> > >
> > >  Did I say someone shouldn't say or post something...anything..ever?
> > >
> >
> >Indirectly, yes.
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Re: CS>Fw: [Ntl_news] Wayne Fugitt

[Malcolm]

Hey Wayne,  
miss your presence; catch up with you some day.
Til then,
M.

n Fri, 2009-07-31 at 18:55 -0700, Deborah Gerard wrote:
> 
> 
> --- On Fri, 7/31/09, marj...@wildblue.net 
> wrote:
> 
> From: marj...@wildblue.net 
> Subject: [Ntl_news] Wayne Fugitt
> To: ntl_n...@tcbunch.com
> Date: Friday, July 31, 2009, 9:52 PM
> 
>  
> It is with deep regret that I inform everyone of the passing
> this morning of Mr Wayne Fugitt. He passed away sitting at his
> computer.
> He was my friend and will be missed.
> Truman McManus
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> specific diagnosis and treatment, consult your doctor or
> health care provider. 
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Re: CS>Project [censored] again?

[Malcolm]

Well Durn!!  I'se Beat out by two years; Congratulations Smitty, on -
umm, what was it we were talking about??
It's the swiss-cheese-brain syndrome gets to me the worst.
Take care,
Malcolm

On Mon, 2009-08-03 at 14:24 -1000, Smitty wrote:
> >  Who is older than Wayne, but not included in the "Old Timers"
> >  list...
> 
> 77. . . . .do i qualifiy  ?
> 
> Smitty
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Re: CS>Project [non-linear dynamics] again?

[Malcolm]

Hi Indi,

Nicely put! 
Also; "Period three implies chaos"
Another one of those obscure references, huh?

Whatever diverts,
Malcolm

On Wed, 2009-08-05 at 14:13 -0400, Indi wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 04, 2009 at 05:57:13AM -0400, Ode Coyote wrote:
> >
> > Everyone has an opinion, don't they.
> >
> > You could be attack proof and never need defend yourself.
> >
> 
> Or you could just stop trying to obfuscate the fact that you were
> playing list cop when you accused someone of playing list cop (Oh
> no, have I created a recursive loop?).
> No-one's attacking you, just pointing out the obvious. 
> :)
> 
> Take Care,


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Re: CS>Steps to take to avoid forced nominalization

[Malcolm]

The Original people of the PNW call the world "Turtle Island"
Turtles are considered water tortoises and their front feet are more
flippery.  Tortoises are considered land turtles and their front
flippers are more footy .  Terrapins are  merely a confusion factor.

[from A Brief History Of Time]

A well-known scientist (some say it was Bertrand Russell) once gave a
public lecture on astronomy. He described how the Earth orbits around
the sun and how the sun, in turn, orbits around the centre of a vast
collection of stars called our galaxy. 

At the end of the lecture, a little old lady at the back of the room got
up and said: "What you have told us is rubbish. The world is really a
flat plate supported on the back of a giant tortoise."

The scientist gave a superior smile before replying, "What is the
tortoise standing on?"

"You're very clever, young man, very clever," said the old lady. "But
it's turtles all the way down." 

and so it is . . .

On Sat, 2009-08-08 at 13:00 -0400, Indi wrote:
> 
> Depends whether you're talking about Pratchett's work or the original 
> references from the Rig Veda (a scipture of ancient India). The Rig 
> Veda says tortoise, Pratchett made it a turtle.
> 
> -- 
> indi
> 
> 
> On Sat, Aug 08, 2009 at 12:38:46PM +0100, Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote:
> >I thought that was a turtle.  dee
> >On 7 Aug 2009, at 21:10, Indi wrote:
> > 
> >  Wow, really?
> >  I once read that the earth rests on the back of a giant tortoise.
> > 
> >  --
> >  indi
> > 
> >  "
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Re: CS>Cat Won't Gain weight

[Malcolm]

Hi, thought I'd add my recent experience w/ animal tapeworm; went to the
vet and the vet gave me "Droncit" which apparently gets to the tapeworm,
not the animal.  It can be found online also, read up on the dosage.
Anyhow, the stuff really works, and the difference in her vitality was
evident in hours.  This beats anything I've ever used (or the vet)
before, hands down.

On Thu, 2009-08-20 at 01:54 -0400, Fuzzmom wrote:
> I have not. The cat wormer only did roundworms...how do you dose that
> again? I have a tube of Safeguard. He's like 2 lbs..maybe 4. 
> - Original Message - 
> From: Gayla Roberts 
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
> Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 1:11 AM
> Subject: Re: CS>Cat Won't Gain weight
> 
> 
> Have you wormed him? Go to the feed store and get some wormer
> for both regular worms and tape worms.  A cheap tube of
> Ivermec horse wormer will work for regular worms. You will
> have to divide it way down for a weight appropriate dose.
> Start there. Also B vitamins will help his appetite.
> Safeguard wormer given at 3X the weight appropriate dose,
> three days in a row, will get the tapes. You can spread it on
> one paw - he will clean it off. Usually.
> Gayla
> Bob and Gayla Roberts
> Always Enough Ranch
> Acampo, CA
> - Original Message - 
> From: Fuzzmom 
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
> Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 9:59 AM
> Subject: CS>Cat Won't Gain weight
> 
> 
> Hi..thanks to everyone who gave me advice on my
> finger..it's doing a lot better. Now I have a Really
> serious problem..he's a 5 or so month old kitten i
> jsut tookij. He's  a great little meowy 
> 
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Re: CS>Cat Won't Gain weight

[Malcolm]

Google "droncit" you can find it for $4.99 without prescription.



http://www.fleasmart.com/tape.htm


http://www.1800petmeds.com/Droncit-prod10072.html

http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/



On Thu, 2009-08-20 at 13:25 -0400, Fuzzmom wrote:
> i now..the stuff works great..I just don't have eighty dollars for about 2 
> more weeks and the vet won't give me anything unless I A. bring him in and B 
> can pay wen I do and i don't want hom to suffer while I wait to get paid.
> ----- Original Message - 
> From: "Malcolm" 
> To: 
> Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 2:07 AM
> Subject: Re: CS>Cat Won't Gain weight
> 
> 
> > Hi, thought I'd add my recent experience w/ animal tapeworm; went to the
> > vet and the vet gave me "Droncit" which apparently gets to the tapeworm,
> > not the animal.  It can be found online also, read up on the dosage.
> > Anyhow, the stuff really works, and the difference in her vitality was
> > evident in hours.  This beats anything I've ever used (or the vet)
> > before, hands down.
> >
> > On Thu, 2009-08-20 at 01:54 -0400, Fuzzmom wrote:
> >> I have not. The cat wormer only did roundworms...how do you dose that
> >> again? I have a tube of Safeguard. He's like 2 lbs..maybe 4.
> >> - Original Message - 
> >> From: Gayla Roberts
> >> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> >> Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 1:11 AM
> >> Subject: Re: CS>Cat Won't Gain weight
> >>
> >>
> >> Have you wormed him? Go to the feed store and get some wormer
> >> for both regular worms and tape worms.  A cheap tube of
> >> Ivermec horse wormer will work for regular worms. You will
> >> have to divide it way down for a weight appropriate dose.
> >> Start there. Also B vitamins will help his appetite.
> >> Safeguard wormer given at 3X the weight appropriate dose,
> >> three days in a row, will get the tapes. You can spread it on
> >> one paw - he will clean it off. Usually.
> >> Gayla
> >> Bob and Gayla Roberts
> >> Always Enough Ranch
> >> Acampo, CA
> >> - Original Message - 
> >> From: Fuzzmom
> >> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> >> Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 9:59 AM
> >> Subject: CS>Cat Won't Gain weight
> >>
> >>
> >> Hi..thanks to everyone who gave me advice on my
> >> finger..it's doing a lot better. Now I have a Really
> >> serious problem..he's a 5 or so month old kitten i
> >> jsut tookij. He's  a great little meowy
> >>
> >>
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Re: CS>Grave's disease

[Malcolm]

Hi Jean,
Since Grave's is considered an autoimmune disease your friend (or you)
might find that CMO  (Cerasomal cis-9 cetyl Myristoleate) could be
useful. Long name, for sure, but there are several hyped products
calling themselves CMO that are not the right stuff so the name helps
one distinguish.  

The basic idea is that CMO helps the immune system cool out, so it is
much less likely to remain overstimulated and attack one's own self as
an enemy.  It doesn't damp down the immune system, more like re-educate
it.  There's quite a bit of info on the web, and some of Brooks
Bradley's posts from a year or so ago go into it's use in some detail.
Those posts can probably be found on Wayne Fugitt's archives;

http://www.fugitt.com/cs_notes/

You'll maybe have to poke around a little . . . 

HTH, 
Malcolm

On Fri, 2009-08-21 at 16:28 -0500, Jean Baugh wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Thank you to everyone for their information on Grave's disease.  It has been
> passed on to the person who has this.
> 
> Great list, great people!
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> Jean
> 
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Re: CS>Silver/Autism/Safety

[Malcolm]

YES!
Edzackly.  It's way too simplistic to assume that because we can (do)
form silver chloride from ionic or even micro-particulate EIS silver in
a jar, that that is what is happening in  the mammal stomach, or blood,
or lymph.  How silver is bound, or transported in living tissue is
largely unknown; how ANY metal is moved about inside us, why certain
metals concentrate in certain tissues - all are questions with poorly
defined answers.
Take care,
Malcolm

On Mon, 2009-08-24 at 08:32 -0400, Ode Coyote wrote:
> 
> Natural Immunogenics did "test tube" tests...probably "borrowed" from the 
> University of Utah study.
>   Frank Key, the maker of MesoSilver tested for silver ions in the blood 
> after using ionic silver using an ion selective probe and found none.
>   However, he does have a means to determine total silver content in blood 
> samples and DIDN'T say that there was no silver, or what form it was or 
> wasn't in.
>   He also doesn't say that ionic silver doesn't work, just that it's the 
> particle portion that does the job. [Which implies that he found 
> particles..IF.. he looked and found anything]
> 
> Logically, given no ions, if it was silver chloride, saying so would 
> promote his product.
> If it was pure silver particles, it wouldn't.
> 
> ..proving a negative isn't possible, so he really is saying ...*nothing* 
> ...and everything said ABOUT that nothing is speculation.
> 
> We know what happens to ions in a test tube, but not in the bodies 
> intelligent chemical soup along with metallo transport proteins and such.
> 
>   A theory does exists [unproven] that ions and particles work together to 
> make *particles* in the blood, out of ions.
> ANY ion exchange route is "possible".
> 
>   Also that "particles" are subject to ionization.
> 
> "Where" Silver Chloride can form, other than in a test tube that excludes 
> myriads of other factors,  is up in the air.
>   Do "particles" ionize to kill germs?  [ probably so ]
> 
>   Virtually any silver compound will kill germs, some better than others in 
> a given environment.
>   But what about that "intelligent soup" environment ?
> 
>   What works...works.
>   That's ALL we "know".
> 
> 
> Ode
> 
> 
> At 06:46 PM 8/23/2009 +0100, you wrote:
> >I have been lead to believe that 80% ionic to 20% colloidal is the best 
> >percentages to have.  Trem has provided an article which claims 
> >that  Natural Immunogenics (who make Argentyn 23) actually did in vitro 
> >tests that proved that ionic is the most efficaceous.  This is the mix 
> >that most of us make on this list I believe, to consume on a regular basis 
> >that is.  This is the mix that works for me and all the other people I 
> >supply.  I think that Argentyn 23 is outrageously expensive too though. dee
> >
> >On 23 Aug 2009, at 17:04, Norton, Steve wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >>Argentyn 23 is a fine ionic silver but I would not consider it the best 
> >>value.
> >>
> >>First, the price is $36 for 8 oz. IMO that is high. You can make your own 
> >>for about 1/100 of that.
> >>
> >>Second, the high ionic content, 95%, is too high. Some ionic content is 
> >>very desireable but, again IMO, you should try to keep it to less than 
> >>60% if possible. If you make your own EIS you can increase the percentage 
> >>of silver particles to as much as 60 % by adding a small amount of 
> >>hydrogen peroxide to the EIS you make. I should let you know that ionic 
> >>silver vs silver particles is a controversial subject.
> >>If you choose to buy colloidal or ionic silver rather than make your own 
> >>several other good alternative sources for colloidal silver (high silver 
> >>particle content) are:
> >>
> >>* Utopia Silver - $24 for 8 oz @ 20 ppm
> >>* Mesosilver - $25 for 8 oz @ 20 ppm
> >>
> >>- Steve N
> >>
> >>
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RE: CS>Silver/Autism/Safety

[Malcolm]

Hi Steve,

My response was to Ode's post, and not directed as a criticism of
simplistic assumptions made by any particular person; in fact you are
the first poster to present any info attempting to validate a pathway
(if not necessarily metabolic in the more usual sense) that I've seen on
this list.  So please accept my apology if you felt personally attacked,
I certainly didn't mean to.

Now on to the essence - or what I hope is the essence.  My claim is that
there are a number of metallic substances that serve various functions
in the body, from the sodium-potassium flip that is present in nerve
conduction to the sequestering of mercury and aluminum compounds in the
brain tissue for whatever reason, to the movement of calcium to and from
bones and teeth - on and on.

These various distributions and re-distributions depend on a large
number of signal pathways; for instance the building of bone as a
response to stress transports calcium and deposits it as the orotate, an
organic crystal.

As you have noted, silver citrate is much more soluble in a citric acid
solution than in plain water and though I don't know, I'd expect the
same might be applicable to ascorbic acid - be interesting to find
out.  

As Ode mentioned there are a number of metallo-proteins (and for that
matter non-metallo-proteins such as sulfur, iodine and selenium
compounds) that move from one place to another inside us.  

And just think of the Krebs cycle, present from oysters on up (or
whatever; any oxygen breather,) and be reminded that it uses a form of
citric acid, too.

The filtering system in the kidney (invented by fish, BTW) is complex;
how it deals with low-solubility items in the presence of
high-solubility ones like sodium chloride, and how it cannot deal with
others such as anti-freeze, is a book in itself - and I'm NOT the one to
write it either.

Again, my apology
Malcolm

On Mon, 2009-08-24 at 16:21 -0500, Norton, Steve wrote:
> 
> My opinion is not just based on a simplistic assumption as you have
> stated. It is actually based on the test results posted at: 
> http://www.silvermedicine.org/altmanstudy.html
> 
> Those test results are striking in one important way. If you take a look
> at the scientific studies that have measured silver excretion, those
> studies show that about 99% of silver is excreted through the feces and
> 1% through the urine. However, none of those studies used EIS as the
> silver source.
> 
> But if you look at the Roger Altman test where EIS was used, roughly 79%
> of the silver was excreted in the urine and 21% in the feces. So the
> question you have to ask is why the extreme difference in excretion
> paths for EIS vs. other forms of ingested silver? The primary difference
> in EIS as the silver source and other silver sources is the silver ions
> in the EIS. Now note that the amount of silver excreted in the urine is
> about what you might expect as the ionic portion of the EIS. I think it
> is a reasonable assumption that it is the ionic silver that is excreting
> in the urine. 
> 
> The next question is why? Now I admit that this next leap of logic is
> open to other possibilities. But I think it is either because silver
> chloride is processed out through the kidneys same as the body would
> excrete excess sodium chloride or potassium chloride. Or it could be
> because the silver chloride is removed by the kidneys because it is in
> the form of insoluble silver chloride particles due to the low
> solubility of silver chloride in water. 
> 
> While one may question whether silver ions and HCl form AgCl in the
> stomach, I think that it is the highest probability reaction and
> speculating on some other unknown conclusion is the unlikely solution.
> 
> Whatever the source of the silver in the urine, one other interesting
> point is that it must be formed in the body before assimilation into the
> blood and remains unchanged until excretion. If it was formed while in
> the bloodstream then you would expect to see other sources of silver,
> especially metallic silver, also form the same compound. But they do not
> because for other sources of silver less than 1% of the silver is
> excreted in the urine. 
> 
>  - Steve N
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Malcolm [mailto:s...@asis.com] 
> Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 10:19 AM
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Subject: Re: CS>Silver/Autism/Safety
> 
> YES!
> Edzackly.  It's way too simplistic to assume that because we can (do)
> form silver chloride from ionic or even micro-particulate EIS silver in
> a jar, that that is what is happening in  the mammal stomach, or blood,
> or lymph.  How silver is bound, or transported in living tissue is
> largely unknown; how ANY metal is moved about inside us, why certain
> metals co

RE: CS>Silver/Autism/Safety

[Malcolm]

On Tue, 2009-08-25 at 18:34 -0500, Norton, Steve wrote:
> 
> Malcolm,
> 
>  a lot of mysteries and I wish I knew the answers to
> some of them. The more you learn about the body the more you realize
> what an amazing machine it is and how much less you really know.

Amen to that . . . . . . 
> 
>  - Steve N

I share your interest in understanding things; and now, many decades
later I wonder, why didn't I take organic chem?  Sheesh!

Take care, 
Malcolm


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Re: CS>Re: No Side Effects?

[Malcolm]

Hey Indi; 

I read the article and followed up a little, and those people really are
blue, unto indigo at times!  Who knows, maybe Bluebeard was a double
recessive!?

On Wed, 2009-09-02 at 17:45 -0400, Indi wrote:
> The pic is pretty obviously photoshopped.
> Still, it's an interesting article.
> 


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Re: CS>OT and borax ( fleas? ants!)

[Malcolm]

Hi, I don't know about boron, the element, but borax is definitely
deadly to ants of various persuasions that live around my area, from
sugar ants to leaf-miners with a few big ol' meanies in-between.

Apparently it tastes like sugar to them (though who figured that out I
dunno?)  They take it back to the nest where it wipes out the entire
colony.

I've never had to band it around the house or garden - as a matter of
fact I'd think rain would dissolve it? -  I just put it where they are
coming and going, with something overhead to keep the rain and dew off
if necessary - and they do the rest.

Take care,
Malcolm 


On Wed, 2009-09-30 at 18:38 -0400, zzekel...@aol.com wrote:
> In a message dated 9/30/2009 3:49:31 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> fuzzm...@frontier.com writes:
> I've also heard it's good for fleas? Is it?
> 
> I have read that it works, also as an ant & other creepys barrier when
> put in a 2" line around the outside of your house...Haven't tried it.


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RE: CS>DMSO and poke

[Malcolm]

Hi Steve;

There are a number of mushrooms that contain anti-viral compounds; most
of the research on this topic as well as other medicinal qualities of
fungi has been done in China or Japan.

Check out "Mycomedicinals" by Paul Stamets.

Available from Fungi Perfecti, P.O. Box 7634 Olympia, WA 98507
or go to:

http://www.fungi.com/

I'd also highly recommend his book "Mycelium Running"

Take care,  
Malcolm


On Wed, 2009-09-30 at 18:30 -0500, Norton, Steve wrote:
> Doug,
> 
> I certainly agree that pokeweed is interesting. 
> Both in it's unique antiviral properties: Three well-known  different 
> pokeweed antiviral protein (PAP)isoforms from the leaves of the pokeweed 
> (PAP-I from spring leaves, PAPII from early summer leaves, and PAP-III from 
> late summer leaves) that cause concentration-dependent depurination of 
> genomic virus RNA. And there is the pokeweed mitogen. I have not come across 
> mitogens in any other plant, although there may be some with mitogens. And in 
> it's immune stimulating properties.
> 
> I have to admit that the roots worry me a little since they, along with any 
> red parts of the plant (not including the berries), contains the highest 
> amount of toxins. The berries are the lowest as long as you do not eat the 
> seeds. 
> 
> When I grew up in Kentucky, pokeweed would be found anywhere you did not cut 
> or weed regularly. I have yet to see it in CA where I live now. I see that 
> you offer pokeweed for sale or trade on your site. What are your prices for 
> shoots, roots, leaves and berries and when are the seasons for each? I would 
> like enough berries for a pie and some jelly to try. The rest would be for 
> tincturing. Except for some shoots that I may cook if there are enough.
> 
> Thanks,
>  Steve N
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: polo [mailto:dah...@centurytel.net] 
> Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 2:57 PM
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Subject: Re: CS>DMSO and poke
> 
> Steve,
> 
> I recommend a pure (upper 90s%) DMSO menstruum (herbal solvent), if you 
> are planning on tincturing the fresh green herb. If you are tincturing dry 
> herbs, I would go with the recommended ratios that are traditionally used and 
> varies from herb to herb. For instance it is recommended that when you 
> tincture dry poke root, you use a 50% ethanol/50% water solution, so I would 
> likewise use a 50% DMSO/50% water solution. Just substitute the DMSO for 
> ethanol.
> 
> DMSO should not need a preservative if used at the higher strengths, just 
> like ethanol. Things usually do not grow in DMSO as they do not in ethanol, 
> presuming the strength is high. I would not be afraid of herbal tinctures 30% 
> or higher in DMSO concentrations. I mostly only use High purity DMSO in my 
> tincturing process and I have yet to have a tincture spoil.
> 
> I have never tried to combine DMSO and ethanol as a combination 
> menstruum. Interesting concept! I can only see an advantage to this from a 
> solvent standpoint if both solvents can extract components of an herb, if one 
> by itself could not. If you are only adding DMSO to provide a more efficient 
> vehicle of herbal drug delivery, then yes, that might be an advantage too, 
> though most people detest DMSO. You could extract the herb by either using a 
> combined DMSO/ethanol menstruum or just tincturing each herb in a DMSO or 
> ethanol menstruum then combining the two. Either way should be ok to my way 
> of thinking.
> 
> The eclectic medical movement that specialized in botanical medicines 
> from the late 1800s up till 1932 or so, found that the best poke root 
> tincture was made directly from the fresh green poke root. The dry poke root 
> is no where near as good or potent. The toxic qualities of poke weed are 
> highly exaggerated. No doubt if you ate the mature weed like you would the 
> young one or as you would any salad, you would suffer gastro-intestinal 
> distress, but that's about it--puking. In some circles, it is felt that 
> vomiting as a result of poke root is actually cathartic. This is held mainly 
> by the puke & cleanse old time herbalists. I would not be worried about the 
> widely publicized toxicity of poke. I know you will find that some young 
> children in the long ago past were said to be poisoned by the berry. Maybe 
> so. We don't know how much they ate, nor if they were compromised in some way 
> or if younger systems are more susceptible. In the adult, poke berries were 
> commonly used for arthritic conditions. As the old cliché goes, all things 
> are poison in the right amounts and most poisons are medicinal in smaller 
> amounts. Poke is no different. It is one of my favorite herbs and a supe

Re: CS> Native American stories--OT

[Malcolm]

I know what you mean.  I'm reminded of a remark I once heard;
"I have two speeds, slow and stop.  If you don't like this one you sure
won't be happy with the other."

On Wed, 2009-09-30 at 20:41 -0700, Sandy wrote:
> Hi Donna...
> 
> It is sad the way some people treat others but if we learn from it [in a good 
> way] then we will teach our children not to be prejudice.
> 
> The man who refused to buy a horse from your Grandfather shows how little he 
> knew because it is a well known fact the Cherokee have a wonderful way with 
> horses.
> 
> I have found that many people do not know how to act around handicapped 
> people...I feel for your daughter. I had a stroke 6 years ago and do not walk 
> very fast and I have had people honk at me to hurry up and get across the the 
> street...they are in such a hurry they could care less that I might have a 
> problem walking. The funny thing is when someone tries to rush me I get 
> excited and go twice as slow...lol.
> 
> Sandy 
> 
> 
> 
> > From: Donna 
> > Subject: Re: CS>  Native American stories--OT
> > To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> > Date: Wednesday, September 30, 2009, 7:39 PM
> > 
> > > Sandy, 
> > 
> > > Glad you shared your story!  It is sad the way
> > people have been so cruel to others.  I know being from
> > Cherokee my Grandfather use to deal with alot of
> > discrimination.  He had a farm and one time a man came
> > looking to buy a horse from my Grandfather but the man ended
> > up not buying it saying he would never trust an Indian and
> > would not pay him a dime for his horse.  I raised my
> > children to be respectful to everyone and not to
> > be   prejudice.  I also have a
> > handicapped daughter and young children would come up to her
> > wheelchair and ask why she can't walk and their parents
> > would pull them away.  I would always try to answer
> > them to let them know.  I feel sorry for these kids
> > that are taught prejudice by their ignorant parents,
> > children are not born that way.
> > 
> > Donna ACS
> > 
> > 
> 
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Re: CS>OT and borax ( fleas? ants!)

[Malcolm]

I don't know; it's certainly cheap enough, give it a whirl.  I get mine
at the feed store, but "loaned" the box out and it hasn't come back.

Take care, 
M.

On Fri, 2009-10-02 at 13:18 -0400, Marshall Dudley wrote:
> Will fire ants take it?
> 
> Marshall
> 
> Malcolm wrote:
> > Hi, I don't know about boron, the element, but borax is definitely
> > deadly to ants of various persuasions that live around my area, from
> > sugar ants to leaf-miners with a few big ol' meanies in-between.
> >
> > Apparently it tastes like sugar to them (though who figured that out I
> > dunno?)  They take it back to the nest where it wipes out the entire
> > colony.
> >
> > I've never had to band it around the house or garden - as a matter of
> > fact I'd think rain would dissolve it? -  I just put it where they are
> > coming and going, with something overhead to keep the rain and dew off
> > if necessary - and they do the rest.
> >
> > Take care,
> > Malcolm 
> >   
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Re: CS>OT and borax ( fleas? ants!)

[Malcolm]

Hi Marshall,

I don't know how fire ants respond to borax (Not 20 mule team, or
boraxo, BTW) but the leaf -miners go for it as do the red ants which
live in the dead white and black oaks around here; I do not believe they
are sugar eaters per-se, and they'll munch a mouse carcass if the
yellow-jackets don't beat them to it.

Whoever made the rather shaky determination that borax "tastes like
sugar" to ants may have drawn an unsupportable conclusion.  I'd suggest
we could learn more - well, you could - by putting some by a fire ant
trail or nest and seeing what happens.  I don't have fire ants - yet,
anyway - and hope devoutly not to.

Take care,
M.

On Mon, 2009-10-05 at 12:25 -0400, Marshall Dudley wrote:
> So I guess mixing with soybean or peanut meal would be a good choice. Or 
> do they only go for animal proteins?
> 
> Marshall
> 
> Renee wrote:
> > Probably not, unless you mix it with meat or some protein they like.  
> > The standard thing for 'regular' ants is mixing borax with sugar.  But 
> > fire ants don't bother with sweets.  They go for protein. 
> >  
> > Samala,
> > Renee
> >  
> >  
> > /---Original Message---/
> >   
> > Will fire ants take it?
> >  
> >
> > 
> >
> 
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Re: CS>Bone Spur

[Malcolm]

Dane Bramaged, Drat!

On Sat, 2009-10-10 at 13:28 -0500, Garnet wrote:
> What about the 45% that can't read it?
> 
> Might be a good test for dyslexia.
> 
> Dyslexics untie!
> 
> Garnet
> 
> 
> http://www.ldndatabase.com/forum
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LDN_Information
> Dr Chris Steele, ITV's This Morning supporting LDN
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVpjsDK0LPA
> 
> 
> Alan Jones wrote:
> > (My daughter recently forwarded this to me...)
> > 
> > fi yuo cna raed tihs, yuo hvae a sgtrane mnid too
> > 
> > Cna yuo raed tihs? Olny 55 plepoe out of 100 can.
> > 
> > i cdnuolt20blveiee taht I cluod aulaclty uesdnatnrd waht I was
> > rdanieg. The phaonmneal pweor of the hmuan mnid, aoccdrnig to a
> > rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it dseno't mtaetr in waht oerdr
> > the ltteres in a wrod are, the olny iproamtnt tihng is taht the frsit
> > and lsat ltteer be in the rghit pclae. The rset can be a taotl mses
> > and you can sitll raed it whotuit a pboerlm. Tihs is bcuseae the huamn
> > mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe.
> > Azanmig huh? yaeh and I awlyas tghuhot slpeling was ipmorantt! if you
> > can raed tihs forwrad it
> > 
> 
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Re: CS>Bone Spur . . .

[Malcolm]

Hi, 
CS,?? no.  But CMO, maybe; ok, don't get mad now  but CMO is
Cerasomal cis-9 cetyl Myristoleate. I just want to make sure you find
the right stuff if you go for it.

Take care, 
Malcolm

On Sat, 2009-10-10 at 14:36 -0400, Fuzzmom wrote:
>  
> I won't. hey can c.,s. ease typing pain? I'm on this thing eight or
> nine hours a day smetimes. 
> - Original Message - 
> From: Norton, Steve 
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
> Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2009 12:18 PM
> Subject: Re: CS>Bone Spur . . .
> 
> 
> I have vision problems too and typo errors are much more
> common than I like. You are not alone. 
> Please don't leave for that. 
> - Steve N
> 
> 
> __
> From: sms  
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com  
> Sent: Sat Oct 10 10:37:15 2009
> Subject: CS>Bone Spur . . . Rude Post by Dave Darrin 
> 
> 
> From: Fuzzmom
> Date: 10/10/2009 7:32:24 AM
> Subject: Re: CS>Bone Spur . . . Rude Post by Dave Darrin
>  
> I am visually impaired and i also have an old comp. with keys
> that stick. i am here for informationNot to criticize. I am
> sorry if posts are hard to read. And if this is how members
> feel I can unsub. 
>  
> 
> 
> 
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Re: CS>Bone Spurs, Pots, and Kettles, Oh my! "hoist by your own petard"

[Malcolm]

On Sat, 2009-10-10 at 15:51 -0500, Annie B Smythe wrote:
> Ya know, I've been busy busy busy.
snip
>  
> 
> That reply, if you truly meant it that way, shows a remarkable lack of 
> compassion and regular old every day common human decency and respect 
> for others. You need to get your head out of your A**. Hopefully you'll 
> mouth off to someone in real life like that and they'll clean your clock 
> but good! There's no excuse whatsoever for your attitude. Spelling 
> errors are NOT the end of world! There is absolutely no excuse for 
> making anyone feel bad, no matter what.

snip
> 
>  Someone 
> needs to take you out behind the barn and teach you some manners.
snipetty snip, etc.
> 
> 

> A difference of opinion is one thing, but that was just awful.
> 
> 
> Annie
> 
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CS>Bone Spur . . . A Kind Post! What's wrong with you?! (and TNX)

[Malcolm]

On Sat, 2009-10-10 at 15:19 -0700, Deborah Gerard wrote:
> I don't know what state your in but there is a national group on Yahoo
> that is called freecycle...if you need something you post for it...or
> if you have something to give away you can post that...here in Grand
> Rapids, Michigan we have a huge group and nine times out of ten you
> can usually get what you need for nothing.
> Hope this helps,
> Debbie
> 
> 
> 
> __
> From: Fuzzmom 
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Sent: Sat, October 10, 2009 11:34:46 AM
> Subject: Re: CS>Bone Spur . . . Rude Post by Dave Darrin
> 
> Great..and usb is fine. Braille display is totally usb..no
> magnification to 
> it it's a series of dots that pop up s you type..or at least the Try
> to eep 
> up with typing speed. Expensive equipmet and malfunctioning too. But I
> don't 
> have 8 grand so I live with that and do what I can.
> - Original Message - 

> 


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Re: CS>Bone Spur . . .

[Malcolm]

Hi, it's on the net, I'll poke around and find some info;  There used to
be someone on some list I checked, that sold it in bulk, but he got out
of the biz; more in a while,
Malcolm

On Sat, 2009-10-10 at 18:36 -0400, Fuzzmom wrote:
> Never heard of it where doyou find it is iit a health store item?
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Malcolm" 
> To: 
> Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2009 6:12 PM
> Subject: Re: CS>Bone Spur . . .
> 
> 
> > Hi,
> > CS,?? no.  But CMO, maybe; ok, don't get mad now  but CMO is
> > Cerasomal cis-9 cetyl Myristoleate. I just want to make sure you find
> > the right stuff if you go for it.
> >
> > Take care,
> > Malcolm
> >
> > On Sat, 2009-10-10 at 14:36 -0400, Fuzzmom wrote:
> >> 
> >> I won't. hey can c.,s. ease typing pain? I'm on this thing eight or
> >> nine hours a day smetimes.
> >> - Original Message - 
> >> From: Norton, Steve
> >> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> >> Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2009 12:18 PM
> >> Subject: Re: CS>Bone Spur . . .
> >>
> >>
> >> I have vision problems too and typo errors are much more
> >> common than I like. You are not alone.
> >> Please don't leave for that.
> >> - Steve N
> >>
> >>
> >> __
> >> From: sms 
> >> To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
> >> Sent: Sat Oct 10 10:37:15 2009
> >> Subject: CS>Bone Spur . . . Rude Post by Dave Darrin
> >>
> >>
> >> From: Fuzzmom
> >> Date: 10/10/2009 7:32:24 AM
> >> Subject: Re: CS>Bone Spur . . . Rude Post by Dave Darrin
> >>
> >> I am visually impaired and i also have an old comp. with keys
> >> that stick. i am here for informationNot to criticize. I am
> >> sorry if posts are hard to read. And if this is how members
> >> feel I can unsub.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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fuzzmon; Re: CS>Bone Spur . . .RE:addressed

[Malcolm]

Not that it's any comfort, but I have an old brain, and sometimes it's
keyes stic to0.  But I don't think Dave meant to be rude to you: life is
sometimes grim, some days are bad, and we take what relief we can,
sometimes thoughtlessly.   My father had a small note stuck above his
workbench: "Illegitum non-tatum carborundum" It means "Don't let the
B-ds grind you down" and a free translation would be: Don't unsub,
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Re: CS>Bone Spurs, windmills,

[Malcolm]

Yeah, I do that too sometimes; but did you say "windmill"? Where?  where
is the sucker?  Whereisit, I'll Get that thing!  Come Rosinante - to the
chase!

{clatter!Crash!}  

OW! Damn, how do they do that??

Don Coyote
(apologies to Ode, but he ain't the only one)

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> Sigh, maybe so, that kind of behavior makes me see red. I'm pretty tame 
> most of the time, but I do tend to tilt at windmills. ;> I'm not quite 
> as bad as I used to be :P
> 
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Re: CS>Bone Spur . . . Rude Post by Dave Darrin

[Malcolm]

EdZackly, but we all do it - assume a context that may not be there.
Well, except me, of course (not!)

On Sat, 2009-10-10 at 19:38 -0500, Garnet wrote:
> How was Dave suppose to know there was a disability involved?
> 
> Garnet
> 
> 
> Annie B Smythe wrote:
> But someone deliberately baiting a person with a
> > disability makes me crazy.
> > 
> 
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Re: CS> :* !? kewl

[Malcolm]

Neat-O!  (:*)  Never saw that one before.  Hey, it's been a slow week
anyhow.

On Sat, 2009-10-10 at 21:03 -0700, Sandy wrote:

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Re: CS>equine nebulizer

[Malcolm]

Hi Garnet,

Go to your local friendly thrift stores, look for ULTRASONIC
humidifiers, the kind for whole rooms - not the personal face mask sort.
Do like Ode said, take out  their little filters(if present) in the
bottom of the unit where the water from the tank goes to get to the
ultrasonic disc, make sure that disc looks ok, not too crudded up, clean
the whole thing up, and put your CS and/or DMSO in it and crank-'er up.
Very fine mist, like fog; the best way I know.

HTH,
Malcolm


On Fri, 2009-10-16 at 09:20 -0500, Garnet wrote:
> I don't have any resources other than to search veterinary
> supply sites. Some sell only to veterinarians. Can the
> hose be attached to a human full size nebulizer, if you have
> access to one.
> 
> Have you asked your equine vet for help with this. Maybe
> he has one he will lend you or will help you locate one?
> 
> Garnet
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Re: CS>equine nebulizer

[Malcolm]

Hi Garnet, I'd be interested in knowing how you - or whoever - arrived
at this conclusion, since the ultrasonic element seems to be about the
same in the one (only one) I've seen used for animals and the multitude
I've seen for humans.

My only point is that someone may have been trying to sell something on
the basis of an advertisement, not facts.  Consider what either of these
do; the ultrasonic part is to assure the carrier, water, and content are
not separated by distillation, as in steam, and are effectively
delivered to the alveoli, not trapped in larger passageways as droplets
like the whirly bird (for want of a better description) type humidifiers
make.

The idea that there could be a size of droplet that would be "too small"
seems suspect, unless the idea was that the medication would be left
behind by being dropped out or evaporated out of the solution being
"nebulized" - which I think means "fogged".  And if that were the case,
it would be useless for most of us warm-bloodeds. Most mammal lung
tissue is kinda similar when you are talking about the alveolar level -
has the same job, mainly getting CO2 out of the blood and O2 in; i.e.
packing an enormous area of very thin tissue in intimate contact with
the blood on one side and the atmosphere on the other into a reasonably
compact and protected flexible space.

Considering the minor cost of a used ultrasonic humidifier and the minor
effort of cleaning and sanitizing it (what else is CS for, after all?)
why not set aside some presumed (dare I say "nebulous"? ) theoretical
perfection in the interest of getting the job done; the proof's in the
results, not the ad copy.

One additional note; how many "nebulizers" does a veterinarian have to
have to treat the numerous mammalian and avian species that come through
the clinic door?  Give you a clue?  Does me. . . .

HTH, 
Malcolm

On Fri, 2009-10-16 at 10:01 -0500, Garnet wrote:
> The issue of droplet size is that there is an optimal size 
> above or
> below which the medication is not delivered deep into lung 
> tissue.
> 
> Room humidifiers do not make the same size droplet as a 
> nebulizer.
> 
> You can research the specs on droplet size or speak to someone
> who sells various nebulizers and knows the specs.
> 
> It's been some time ago that I researched this for myself when I
> was looking at purchasing a nebulizer and many on this list
> were discussing adapting room humidifiers. If that is all 
> you have
> then it is better than nothing but an ultrasonic humidifier 
> is not
> equivalent to an ultrasonic nebulizer. That is my only point.
> 
> Garnet
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Re: CS>equine nebulizer

[Malcolm]

Plain old feed bag would probably do, huh?  Doesn't have to be an
airtight seal.

On Fri, 2009-10-16 at 16:53 -0500, Dan Nave wrote:
> I wonder if it isn't more a matter of being able to attach it properly
> to the animal face-mask apparatus.
> 
> Dan
> 
> On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 3:58 PM, Malcolm  wrote:
> > Hi Garnet, I'd be interested in knowing how you - or whoever - arrived
> > at this conclusion, since the ultrasonic element seems to be about the
> > same in the one (only one) I've seen used for animals and the multitude
> > I've seen for humans.
> >
> > My only point is that someone may have been trying to sell something on
> > the basis of an advertisement, not facts.  Consider what either of these
> > do; the ultrasonic part is to assure the carrier, water, and content are
> > not separated by distillation, as in steam, and are effectively
> > delivered to the alveoli, not trapped in larger passageways as droplets
> > like the whirly bird (for want of a better description) type humidifiers
> > make.
> >
> > The idea that there could be a size of droplet that would be "too small"
> > seems suspect, unless the idea was that the medication would be left
> > behind by being dropped out or evaporated out of the solution being
> > "nebulized" - which I think means "fogged".  And if that were the case,
> > it would be useless for most of us warm-bloodeds. Most mammal lung
> > tissue is kinda similar when you are talking about the alveolar level -
> > has the same job, mainly getting CO2 out of the blood and O2 in; i.e.
> > packing an enormous area of very thin tissue in intimate contact with
> > the blood on one side and the atmosphere on the other into a reasonably
> > compact and protected flexible space.
> >
> > Considering the minor cost of a used ultrasonic humidifier and the minor
> > effort of cleaning and sanitizing it (what else is CS for, after all?)
> > why not set aside some presumed (dare I say "nebulous"? ) theoretical
> > perfection in the interest of getting the job done; the proof's in the
> > results, not the ad copy.
> >
> > One additional note; how many "nebulizers" does a veterinarian have to
> > have to treat the numerous mammalian and avian species that come through
> > the clinic door?  Give you a clue?  Does me. . . .
> >
> > HTH,
> > Malcolm
> >
> > On Fri, 2009-10-16 at 10:01 -0500, Garnet wrote:
> >> The issue of droplet size is that there is an optimal size
> >> above or
> >> below which the medication is not delivered deep into lung
> >> tissue.
> >>
> >> Room humidifiers do not make the same size droplet as a
> >> nebulizer.
> >>
> >> You can research the specs on droplet size or speak to someone
> >> who sells various nebulizers and knows the specs.
> >>
> >> It's been some time ago that I researched this for myself when I
> >> was looking at purchasing a nebulizer and many on this list
> >> were discussing adapting room humidifiers. If that is all
> >> you have
> >> then it is better than nothing but an ultrasonic humidifier
> >> is not
> >> equivalent to an ultrasonic nebulizer. That is my only point.
> >>
> >> Garnet
> >>
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> >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LDN_Information
> >>
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> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVpjsDK0LPA
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Re: CS>equine nebulizer

[Malcolm]

Hi Garnet,
Thanks for your reply; I went on ebay and couldn't find an Omron unit,
though I did see some rather interesting pieces of plastic; basketballs,
duckies, spaceships (I think), and a few super-expensive (by my
standards, $250) ones which pre-heated the water and controlled that
temp Digitally!  It used a titanium nitrite(sic) element - I expect it
was a misprint for titanium nitride, but also expect it is no more
effective at nebulizing water than the older barium nitride or the
cheaper magnetostrictive elements common in such units as the KAZ and
many others, the trick being the frequency at which the water is
agitated by the element - usually around 42,000 cycles per second by
whatever does the agitating.  I exclude the handheld, "personal" or
whatever units, in favor of the room-sized ones categorically, since the
idea is to get a medication or whatever into the animals lungs in a
reasonable time, and I expect you know better than I that a horse
breathes a LOT of air.

So, in short: "Let the buyer beware."  Meanwhile I'll attempt to check
further and find the tech literature you refer to, or contact an Omron
or Swiss-Air dealer.

Take care,  
Malcolm

On Sat, 2009-10-17 at 12:54 -0500, Garnet wrote:
> What I did was look at the specs on various nebulizers on 
> line and noticed
> that even between nebulizer units there is a difference in 
> droplet size, the
> smaller handheld units had larger droplet sizes, although 
> this may not be
> true now since Omron has come out with a new technology in 
> their
> hand held unit.
> 
> The idea of the droplet being too small was mentioned to me by
> a seller of the new Omron US unit. You can call him and ask him
> since he would know much more than I do. He sells the new unit
> on eBay which is where I found his email, he is in Texas.
> 
> Garnet
> 
> --
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> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LDN_Information
> 
> Dr Chris Steele, ITV's This Morning supporting LDN
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVpjsDK0LPA
> 
> 
> Malcolm wrote:
> > Hi Garnet, I'd be interested in knowing how you - or whoever - arrived
> > at this conclusion, since the ultrasonic element seems to be about the
> > same in the one (only one) I've seen used for animals and the multitude
> > I've seen for humans.
> > 
> > My only point is that someone may have been trying to sell something on
> > the basis of an advertisement, not facts.  Consider what either of these
> > do; the ultrasonic part is to assure the carrier, water, and content are
> > not separated by distillation, as in steam, and are effectively
> > delivered to the alveoli, not trapped in larger passageways as droplets
> > like the whirly bird (for want of a better description) type humidifiers
> > make.
> > 
> > The idea that there could be a size of droplet that would be "too small"
> > seems suspect, unless the idea was that the medication would be left
> > behind by being dropped out or evaporated out of the solution being
> > "nebulized" - which I think means "fogged".  And if that were the case,
> > it would be useless for most of us warm-bloodeds. Most mammal lung
> > tissue is kinda similar when you are talking about the alveolar level -
> > has the same job, mainly getting CO2 out of the blood and O2 in; i.e.
> > packing an enormous area of very thin tissue in intimate contact with
> > the blood on one side and the atmosphere on the other into a reasonably
> > compact and protected flexible space.
> > 
> > Considering the minor cost of a used ultrasonic humidifier and the minor
> > effort of cleaning and sanitizing it (what else is CS for, after all?)
> > why not set aside some presumed (dare I say "nebulous"? ) theoretical
> > perfection in the interest of getting the job done; the proof's in the
> > results, not the ad copy.
> > 
> > One additional note; how many "nebulizers" does a veterinarian have to
> > have to treat the numerous mammalian and avian species that come through
> > the clinic door?  Give you a clue?  Does me. . . .
> > 
> > HTH, 
> > Malcolm
> > 
> > On Fri, 2009-10-16 at 10:01 -0500, Garnet wrote:
> >> The issue of droplet size is that there is an optimal size 
> >> above or
> >> below which the medication is not delivered deep into lung 
> >> tissue.
> >>
> >> Room humidifiers do not make the same size droplet as a 
> >> nebulizer.
> >>
> >> You can research the specs on droplet size or speak to someone
> >> who sells various nebulizer

Re: CS>OT but Cool

[Malcolm]

Uh-oh, "otherwise extinguished"?

On Sun, 2009-10-18 at 10:57 -0400, zzekel...@aol.com wrote:
> In a message dated 10/14/2009 7:20:06 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> stephen.nor...@ngc.com writes:
> 
> http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/13/science/space/13lhc.html?_r=4&pagewanted=all
>  
> 
> "A pair of otherwise distinguished physicists have suggested
> that the hypothesized Higgs boson, which physicists hope to
> produce with the collider, might be so abhorrent to nature
> that its creation would ripple backward through time and stop
> the collider before it could make one, like a time traveler
> who goes back in time to kill his grandfather."
> 
>  - Steve N 
> 
> 
> Is this for 2012-


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Re: CS>equine nebulizer

[Malcolm]

Hi Garnet,

Thanks for the links.  The compressor nebs produce aerosols or fogs of
coarser droplet size than the ultrasonic.  I believe the question of
nebulizing soluble meds for a horse entered the discussion before I
entered it.  I'm focused on human use.

The lit. on the Omron "vibrating mesh" is interesting, and the fact that
it delivers all the material, unlike the commoner desktop US types is
worthy of note.  The technology reminds me of the inkjet, though the
principle is somewhat different - the inkjets employ heat to blow (boil)
a bubble of ink onto the paper whereas the VMT US still employ a
piezoelectric element with tiny holes in a very small mesh screen.

Btw, the very tiny holes may be fine for strict medical use under
appropriate supervision and the use of pure individual dosage units, but
it wouldn't take more than spider-spit to plug one of these screens up;
I haven't braced Omron with this question, but I've got so many of the
"old" tabletop types around I doubt I'll find incentive for the
"advanced" style; in any case, one might look into the limitations on
their guarantees.

Particle size is somewhat a matter of choice with the vibrating mesh as
well as the standard ultrasonic nebs, size being governed by the applied
frequency, and for the mesh the aperture size as well.  This raises the
question of whether the rather wider spread of particle sizes available
from the more usual US tabletop units of reasonable power might be of
some benefit.

For what difference it makes to our discussion, there are nebulizers for
industrial and research purposes that employ frequencies of up to 3 to 5
Megahertz, the mesh is not necessary nor desireable for these extremely
fine dispersions, and I'd bet not necessary for most mammalian
applications.

Take care,  
Malcolm

Anyhow, your posts have led me to look into the subject a little, and I
appreciate that.

On Sun, 2009-10-18 at 14:26 -0500, Garnet wrote:
> Here is a table top unit that may be sufficient for a horse:
> http://cgi.ebay.com/Table-Desk-top-POWER-NEB-Nebulizer-Compressor-AEROSOL_W0QQitemZ270388545665QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item3ef469c881#ht_1730wt_868
> 
> 
> Here is the info on the new hand held that included a phone 
> number for the supplier who I talked to about the particle 
> size. He may be able to advise you to match prices with 
> other eBay offers.
> OMRON NE-U22v BATTERY PORTABLE NEBULIZER
> http://cgi.ebay.com/OMRON-NE-U22v-BATTERY-PORTABLE-NEBULIZER-BRAND-NEW_W0QQitemZ290354476753QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item439a79b6d1#ht_630wt_1167
> Sold By SecureNet Medical, Ltd, Quitman TX  ph#  888-255-2509
> 
> Garnet
> 
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> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LDN_Information
> 
> Dr Chris Steele, ITV's This Morning supporting LDN
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVpjsDK0LPA
> 
> 
> Malcolm wrote:
> > Hi Garnet,
> > Thanks for your reply; I went on ebay and couldn't find an Omron unit,
> > though I did see some rather interesting pieces of plastic; basketballs,
> > duckies, spaceships (I think), and a few super-expensive (by my
> > standards, $250) ones which pre-heated the water and controlled that
> > temp Digitally!  It used a titanium nitrite(sic) element - I expect it
> > was a misprint for titanium nitride, but also expect it is no more
> > effective at nebulizing water than the older barium nitride or the
> > cheaper magnetostrictive elements common in such units as the KAZ and
> > many others, the trick being the frequency at which the water is
> > agitated by the element - usually around 42,000 cycles per second by
> > whatever does the agitating.  I exclude the handheld, "personal" or
> > whatever units, in favor of the room-sized ones categorically, since the
> > idea is to get a medication or whatever into the animals lungs in a
> > reasonable time, and I expect you know better than I that a horse
> > breathes a LOT of air.
> > 
> > So, in short: "Let the buyer beware."  Meanwhile I'll attempt to check
> > further and find the tech literature you refer to, or contact an Omron
> > or Swiss-Air dealer.
> > 
> > Take care,  
> > Malcolm
> > 
> > On Sat, 2009-10-17 at 12:54 -0500, Garnet wrote:
> >> What I did was look at the specs on various nebulizers on 
> >> line and noticed
> >> that even between nebulizer units there is a difference in 
> >> droplet size, the
> >> smaller handheld units had larger droplet sizes, although 
> >> this may not be
> >> true now since Omron has come out with a new technology in 
> >> their
> >>

Re: CS>Raw Cider Vinegar

[Malcolm]

Hi Kirsteen and Sol,

I'm not dogmatic about this, you can check it out for yourselves, but as
with wine, many fermentation processes are self-limiting; i.e., the
alcohol or acetic acid or whatever the bugs produce in a limited
environment like a wine or vinegar vat or a saurkraut crock eventually
poisons them and so limits the fermentation process.  This is not to say
NONE of them survive, or perhaps more significantly their spores.

OTOH, there are a number of aerobic and even partially anaerobic
organisms lumped into the "yeast" category, with widely varying products
of fermentation or other exudates depending on their environment.  The
commonest example is baker's/brewer's yeast which can produce alcohol
and/or carbon dioxide depending on the concentrations of not only air,
CO2, and alcohol but also temperature.

The kingdom of fungi, from molds and yeasts to mushrooms and other
strange beasts like walking slime molds is phylogenetically more like us
than any bacterium, archaeo- or complex.  This makes it much more
difficult to defend ourselves against their involvement with us and much
more risky to try to poison them out of our systems; we're much more
likely to poison ourselves as well.

An interesting book you might find enjoyable as well as informative
about fungi:  "Magical Mushrooms, Mischevious Molds" by George W. Hudler

Take care,
Malcolm

On Sat, 2009-10-24 at 11:49 -0600, sol wrote:
> Kirsteen Wright wrote:
> > Hi, can anyone give me some advice please. I've recently started taking 
> > the raw cider vinegar in water. However, I've recently had a food 
> > intolerance test done and came up strongly positive for yeast (among 
> > other things). Obviously I have to avoid yeast and I believe this 
> > includes vinegar. Does this also include the raw cider vinegar?
> 
> My own opinion is it would mean raw cider vinegar. It is not pasteurized 
> so the yeasts in it are alive.
> sol
> 
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Re: CS>Raw Cider Vinegar

[Malcolm]

On Sat, 2009-10-24 at 19:59 +0100, Kirsteen Wright wrote:
> Thanks for all the advice everyone. Of course, I'm still thoroughly
> confused .
> 
> I don't have candida (at least not as far as I know :-)  But the food
> intolerance test definitely showed a strong reaction to yeast. So if
> the yeast is live I guess I should be avoiding it?  On the other hand
> I have low HCL (in fact I take a supplement for that) and was hoping
> the raw apple cider vinegar would help with that.
> 
> Why is life so complicated :-)

Because We are.

Find out WHAT "yeast" and how determined; i.e., skin test, etc. be wary
of simplistic blanket judgements; try a food elimination test as with
allergies. How do you do with mushrooms?
> 
> Thanks
> Kirsteen

For adding to the confusion? oh, well.
M.
> 
> 
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Re: CS>cs and pets

[Malcolm]

Hi,

this might be an intestinal obstruction -- hair ball.  Often an oil or
butter (or "Petromalt") will "grease the way" and the cat will eliminate
it one way or the other; sometimes not and the wad remains stuck in the
intestine.  If things don't improve with CS get some advice locally from
a pro; local humane society or animal shelter?.  

HTH,
Malcolm 

On Mon, 2009-10-26 at 01:46 -0400, Stacy Rappaport wrote:
> Has anyone used cs to help and ailing pet? what type of dosage and
> frequency did you use? My cat of 5 years is suddenly losing weight and
> not eating much. Thank you. stacy


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Re: CS>silver rods darkening

[Malcolm]

Prob'ly Ken can answer this best, but a few things come to mind; 
The green scrubby's often have soap in them or other contaminants.
Polishing the silver would not be necessary in any case,  mild soap,
water and three good rinses in distilled after they're "cleaned", a
clean fresh paper towel after.  The white scrubbers are the best, ones
without any grit in them.

What was your vessel made of?  I like mason jars, plastic can sometimes
lead to problems.

The H2O2 may have had something in it, particularly if it was diluted
down from the high-grade stuff at 35% concentration.  Anything like that
35% stuff has to have a stabilizer in it or the H2O2 will degrade,
particularly in light and sometimes violently.  (In fact any
concentration or H2O2 will degrade in light.)  The point being you may
have contaminated your vessel.  Of course it may have had something in
it, like dried soap film or what-have-you from previous usage or
dishwasher soap ("Dries Streak-Free!" Oh, yeah!); the best is again mild
soap and rinse squeaky clean, trust your freshly thoroughly washed and
rinsed fingers to look with; rinse w/distilled water three times, put
upside down on paper towel to dry.  Put your distilled into the vessel,
Then check your purity.

A TDS meter is sometimes a pretty blunt tool, EC meter that reads in
tenths of a U-Siemens is best, but run what you got.

Both rods?  Were you running swap?  Black sounds like silver oxide
exposed to light - like photo-sensitivity, huh?

HTH, Malcolm

On Sat, 2009-10-31 at 00:17 -0400, Catherine Creel wrote:
> Hi All,
> 
> 
>   I know this question has been answered before.  Unfortunately, I
> can't recall the answer.
> 
> 
>   I set up to make some CS the other night (I'm using the Silver
> Puppy).  I cleaned my silver rods with a clean green scrubbing pad
> until they looked shiny.  I used steam distilled water and checked it
> with a TDS prior to beginning.  I also cleaned my vessel with 3% H2o2
> and let it thoroughly dry.  1.5 hours later my rods were covered in
> black and wisps of black were in the bottom of my glass.
> 
>   What happened?  Thanks.
> 
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> Catherine
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Re: CS>Sore throat...

[Malcolm]

No, but H2O2 might be good as a booster  like nitrous oxide - chemical
supercharging.  Many ford diesel rigs use propane injection; imagine
that plus some ~50% H2O2; might could blow the heads off.

OTOH there was a story on Darwin Awards; someone who removed himself
from the gene pool, strapped two JATO bottles under his chevy (out in
the SW desert somewhere).  The chevy and he were later found about 50
feet up implanted in a cliff a mile or so away from the scorch marks.

Hope this doesn't help.
Malcolm

On Sat, 2009-10-31 at 20:11 -0700, Bob Banever wrote:
> Ode,
> 
> Very cool.  Would this motor have any use in the automobile?
> 
> Bob
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Lisa" 
> To: 
> Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2009 7:13 PM
> Subject: RE: CS>Sore throat...
> 
> 
> >I have always found it quite interesting and amazing that stuff like this
> > can be so powerful and corrosive, yet it can be stored in a plastic 
> > bottle!
> >
> > Lisa
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Ode Coyote [mailto:odecoy...@windstream.net]
> > Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2009 6:17 AM
> > To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> > Subject: Re: CS>Sore throat...
> >
> >
> >
> >  ##  Meaning that. if you dipped a hand in 100% H2O2, you'd pull back
> > a stump.
> > It is, quite literally "rocket fuel" and is also a very powerful
> > organic oxidizer.
> >
> > The Bell Rocket Pack uses 80>100% H2O2 sprayed over a grid of silver wire
> > [catalytic bed] to instantly produce high pressure steam as a propellent.
> >
> >
> > http://www.student.montefiore.ulg.ac.be/~teney/h2o2propulsion.htm
> > You'll find here some stuff related to rocket propulsion using hydrogen
> > peroxide (H2O2). For the newcomers, hydrogen peroxide is a colourless,
> > dense (1.36 at 85%), corrosive liquid, storable at ambient
> > temperature/pressure, that can be used as oxidizer or monopropellant in
> > rocket engines. It's only useful at high concentrations (> 80%), but
> > unfortunately, such concentrated product isn't commercially avalaible, and
> > has thus to be manufactured from lower concentration product. I 
> > personnally
> > achieve this by selective evaporation, at moderate temperatures for 
> > safety.
> > This is a potentially dangerous operation, since peroxide vapours can be
> > explosive, and it should surely not be undertaken by anyone.
> >
> > I've started designing an hypergolic hybrid rocket motor, which burns
> > polyethylene and uses 85% hydrogen peroxide as oxidizer. Hypergolic
> > ignition is achieved using a consumable catalytic bed, mainly made of
> > potassium permanganate. It decomposes the peroxide as soon as it is
> > injected in the combustion chamber, creating a stream of superheated steam
> > and oxygen, which then causes the polyethylene grain to auto-ignite. As 
> > far
> > as I know, this motor is (one of ?) the first amateur hydrogen peroxide
> > hybrid in the world.
> >
> >
> > Ode
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > At 08:13 PM 10/30/2009 -0500, you wrote:
> >>Any time someone is talking about H2O2 it is a good rule of thumb to
> >>remember that you don't want to be applying it externally or internally at
> >>any concentration greater than about 3%, which is the concentration of
> >>over-the-counter H2O2.
> >>
> >>Yes, food grade is better but, as it is usually  a 35% concentration, you
> >>should know how to dilute it with distilled water or CS to the correct
> >>strength.
> >>
> >>Notice that food grade is often 10 times stronger than the safe-to-use
> >>over-the-counter H2O2.
> >>
> >>Dan
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 9:09 AM, Lisa
> >><<mailto:blacksa...@comcast.net>blacksa...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>Thanks for all the info (I KNEW I could count on you folks J)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>I don't have a nebulizer (it's on the list though) and with the h202 - is
> >>>that food grade? And straight or should it be diluted?  I gargled a
> >>>couple times before going to bed last night.woke up this morning and it
> >>>was still there and had a dose of MMS (after taking several days off) and
> >>>it's better! I'll continue to gargle and clean the toothbrush and the
> >>>h202 gargle.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Thanks aga

Re: CS>Indi

[Malcolm]

Well, MaryAnn,

I think Mark Antony did something obversely similar when he opened his
oration in the play by Shakespeare: 
"I come to bury Caesar, not to praise him." and proceeded to castigate
Brutus and the senate for assassinating Caesar on the senate floor.

One thing you could say in favor of Indi's behavior - she was direct,
honest and forthright in expressing herself; no sideways little digs.

Got it?
Malcolm

On Thu, 2009-11-05 at 06:13 -0800, MaryAnn Helland wrote:
> She certainly is.  The shame is that she just couldn't convey her
> opinions without rudeness and condescension.  I realize that there are
> a couple of people on this list who will object to my opinion on this
> topic -- so I won't discuss it further -- except to say that it's a
> relief to me to not have to read her negative-ness on a daily basis.
> MA
> 
> 
> 
> __
> From: Dorothy Fitzpatrick 
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Sent: Thu, November 5, 2009 3:57:17 AM
> Subject: Re: CS>Indi
> 
> Oh what a shame, she is a very knowledgeable person.  dee 
> 
> On 4 Nov 2009, at 20:16, MaryAnn Helland wrote:
> 
> > Dee -- Indi voluntarily left the list several months ago -- rather
> > than comply with Mike's request to *play nice*.  MA
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
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Re: CS>language

[Malcolm]

" ... so I won't discuss it further -- except to say that it's a relief
to me to not have to read her negative-ness on a daily basis. MA"

Or: 'I won't discuss it further, except to discuss it further'  And
further, and further . . .

" ... The shame is that she just couldn't convey her opinions without
rudeness and condescension."

And you?  You were both rude and condescending from the get, and I
called you on it then.

On Thu, 2009-11-05 at 13:40 -0800, MaryAnn Helland wrote:
> Well Malcolm, 
>  
> You're exactly who I expected to object to my post.  

Yup.  After two days of them, you betcha!

"Praise"??  "exactly"??  "Tried to"??  "Once AGAIN"??  How many times is
that?  Ah, yes; I remember now from the 'chicken squawk posts', the
long-suffering, patient, but finally driven - forced - to mild
remonstrance MaryAnn.
The words with quotes above are not direct, not honest in any real sense
and neither forthright nor called for in the context.  Perhaps it's just
a natural - if unrecognized - rhetorical talent in your speech?
Perhaps not.

> And once again, you praise Indi for exactly what you tried to
> criticize in my post.  My remarks were direct, honest and forthright.
> Nothing sideways about it.

Please understand I do NOT object to your distaste for Indi or for her
posts and expressed opinions, that is between the two of you.  But if
you can't see the nature and effect of your word usage . . . . .  well,
you can't; or maybe it's just too tempting, and "the debbil makes you do
it"??

> Got it?

Shore; hey, sauce for the goose is indeed sauce for the gander;  point
for the dark side.  
>  
> MA

How 'bout moving this off topic (OS) or off list, the main question has
been answered more than adequately; the rest is just frosting.
Malcolm
> 
> 
> 
> __
> From: Malcolm 
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Sent: Thu, November 5, 2009 2:01:29 PM
> Subject: Re: CS>Indi
> 
> Well, MaryAnn,
> 
> I think Mark Antony did something obversely similar when he opened his
> oration in the play by Shakespeare: 
> "I come to bury Caesar, not to praise him." and proceeded to castigate
> Brutus and the senate for assassinating Caesar on the senate floor.
> 
> One thing you could say in favor of Indi's behavior - she was direct,
> honest and forthright in expressing herself; no sideways little digs.
> 
> Got it?
> Malcolm
> 
> On Thu, 2009-11-05 at 06:13 -0800, MaryAnn Helland wrote:
> > She certainly is.  The shame is that she just couldn't convey her
> > opinions without rudeness and condescension.  I realize that there
> are
> > a couple of people on this list who will object to my opinion on
> this
> > topic -- so I won't discuss it further -- except to say that it's a
> > relief to me to not have to read her negative-ness on a daily basis.
> > MA
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >
> __
> > From: Dorothy Fitzpatrick 
> > To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> > Sent: Thu, November 5, 2009 3:57:17 AM
> > Subject: Re: CS>Indi
> > 
> > Oh what a shame, she is a very knowledgeable person.  dee 
> > 
> > On 4 Nov 2009, at 20:16, MaryAnn Helland wrote:
> > 
> > > Dee -- Indi voluntarily left the list several months ago -- rather
> > > than comply with Mike's request to *play nice*.  MA
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > >
> 
> > 
> > 
> 
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Re: CS>Honey and Botulinum

[Malcolm]

Here's a little info contrary to the drift of the honey botulinum
notion; post-WWI paralyzed vets often got bed-sores, sometimes now
called pressure ulcers.  One of the few effective treatments for the
condition was to clean the injury then cover with honey and a bandage.

It worked, not 100% but better than anything else.  The explanation was
that honey was sterile, prevented infection (acting as a preservative,
which it still does when at proper concentration - and that's what the
bees do, they fan the hive until the honey is concentrated enough to
resist any spoilage) and the sugar fed the underlying flesh where
circulation had been damaged, allowing the body to repair itself and
regrow the necessary blood vessels and capillaries.  Much commercial
honey is not only heated, but diluted with water to the point where it
is no longer capable of killing bugs.  

Dr. R. O. Becker has discussed the use of CS for healing stubborn
diabetes sores, even gangrenous ones.  See: The Body Electric 

On Tue, 2009-11-17 at 18:20 -0500, cking...@nycap.rr.com wrote:
> one of the main "benefits" of raw honey is active enzymes.
> Hot tea (~200 degrees) makes the honey "not raw" and the enzymes are
> destroyed.

1)  brew tea
2)  let cool to moderate drinking temp.
3)  add honey, lick spoon, stir, and drink.
> 
>   Chuck
> If it's zero degrees outside today and it's supposed to be twice as
> cold tomorrow, how cold is it going to be?

Minus thirty two?
> 
> 
> On 11/17/2009 9:30:09 AM, gwms...@optonline.net wrote:
> > Slightly off topic, but I was told by the proprietor of a health food
> > store that raw honey should never be consumed with hot liquids ie, tea. Is
> > this true? And why not
> > 
> > G
> > 
> > - Original Message -
> > From: Day Sutton
> > Date: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 8:20 am
> > Subject: Re: CS>Honey and Botulinum
> > To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> > 
> > > http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2009/11/17/This-Bee-
> > Product-Has-Enormous-Benefits-for-Your-Health.aspx
> > >
> > > Processed, refined honey is NOT appropriate for use in wound
> > > care. In fact,
> > > your average domestic “Grade A” type honey found in the grocery
> > > store will
> > > likely *increase *infection. It also will not offer you the same
> > > healthbenefits as raw honey when consumed.
> > >
> > > On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 3:30 AM, Jonathan B. Britten <
> > > jbrit...@nakamura-u.ac.jp> wrote:
> > >
> > > > I was quite surprised to learn recently that honey is a
> > > primary source of
> > > > botulism, especially in children.
> > I'd never heard this until now.
> > > > Doctors recommend that infants NEVER receive honey. It's
> > useful
> > > > information to pass along.
> > > >
> > > >
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> > > > The
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Re: CS>Quartz device (battery, wire and quartz crystals)

[Malcolm]

On Tue, 2009-11-17 at 18:36 -0500, cking...@nycap.rr.com wrote:

> 
>   Chuck
> If man evolved from monkeys and apes, why do we still have monkeys and
> apes?

Not every experiment is a success. . . .
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Re: CS>Honey and Botulinum

[Malcolm]

Yes, that and the sugar hit to the starving tissues depleted  by the
injured circulatory system.  This is why sugar (honey) not salt worked
in this protocol; they were not curing meat, but trying to repair and
rejuvenate severely deprived tissues.
Take care,
Malcolm

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> Same results were reported with using sugar as the packing.
> I think it has to do with the drying or absorption effect of sugar
> (and honey).
> 
>   Chuck
> As a scientist, Throckmorton knew that if he were ever to break wind
> in the sound chamber he would never hear the end of it.
> 
> On 11/19/2009 1:12:22 AM, Malcolm (s...@asis.com) wrote:
> > Here's a little info contrary to the drift of the honey botulinum
> > notion; post-WWI paralyzed vets often got bed-sores, sometimes now
> > called pressure ulcers.  One of the few effective treatments for the
> > condition was to clean the injury then cover with honey and a bandage.
> > 
> > It worked, not 100% but better than anything else.  The explanation was
> > that honey was sterile, prevented infection (acting as a preservative,
> > which it still does when at proper concentration - and that's
> > what the
> > bees do, they fan the hive until the honey is concentrated enough to
> > resist any spoilage) and the sugar fed the underlying flesh where
> > circulation had been damaged, allowing the body to repair itself and
> > regrow the necessary blood vessels and capillaries.  Much commercial
> > honey is not only heated, but diluted with water to the point where it
> > is no longer capable of killing bugs.
> > 
> > Dr. R. O. Becker has discussed the use of CS for healing stubborn
> > diabetes sores, even gangrenous ones.  See: The Body Electric
> > 
> > On Tue, 2009-11-17 at 18:20 -0500, cking...@nycap.rr.com wrote:
> > > one of the main "benefits" of raw honey is active enzymes.
> > > Hot tea (~200 degrees) makes the honey "not raw" and the enzymes are
> > > destroyed.
> > 
> 
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Re: CS>Growing Mushrooms with Hydrogen Peroxide. Ref Earlier Comments

[Malcolm]

Brooks,

Well, it may be the link that is senile, but certainly not you!  I've
bought Wayne's books and used his techniques to grow spawn on sawdust.
The most challenging part of mushroom cultivation by any technique is
"sterile technique".  As a point of info for the list members interested
in mushroom cultivation,most fungal spores are incredibly tiny and will
drift into and through just about anything commonly considered a filter
barrier to solid contaminants; e.g. paper towels, most coffee filters,
layers of cloth etc.  I went to one of Paul Stamets' seminars where he
demonstrated the astonishing number of spores in "clean" air, thousands,
vs. the number (under 3 per cubic foot) under a laminar flow hood with a
scanned and certified filter.

As Dr. Wayne points out, it's really a race between the different fungal
forms (and bacterial) and a major factor in successful mushroom growing
is giving the spores and strains you like a head start in colonizing the
medium.

Take care,
Malcolm

On Fri, 2009-12-04 at 09:34 -0600, Brooks Bradley wrote:
> The link does not seem to be working for me..probability senility.
> If you are still having troubletry this (the main website) and just 
> feel  your way through.
> Mortified,Brooks Bradley.
> 
> 
> 
> http://www.mycomasters.com/index.html#Top?FAQs
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Re: [RE]CS>whey - (N)OT?

[Malcolm]

The whey that is eaten is not the true whey.

The word that is spoken is not the true word.

On Mon, 2009-12-07 at 18:55 -0600, Dan Nave wrote:
> dee,
> 
> What?  Haven't you heard of that famous Chinese classic
> the "Tao De Ching" or, "The Whey and it's Virtue"?...
> 
> Dan
> 
> On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 1:19 PM, Dorothy Fitzpatrick  wrote:
> > Thank you for your reply Brooks, the product I have bought is called The
> > True Whey which I got from iHerb.  I sincerely hope it doesn't originate
> > from China!  dee
> 
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Re: CS>Food for Thought

[Malcolm]

Wow!  Very nice indeed Steve; Thank you!

And just as a confusion factor, what do you suppose they (you know,
"them") mean by: "elemental silver, even its so-called
"nano-crystalline" state"?  Possibly Tetra-silver (so-called?), or
possibly finely divided - as in precipitated metallic Ag? - didn't the
Russians experiment with that?

"As confirmed experimentally, only samples containing silver compounds
can deliberate silver ions in the tested media and exhibit antimicrobial
activity both in vitro and in vivo."  

Again; Huh??  I'd think there was enough electrochemical activity in a
significant wound to provoke some ionic transport; wasn't that part of
what Dr. R. O. Becker investigated, and what he developed in his work
with Argentum Medical; i.e. the Silverlon bandages?

I wish he'd been given the credit so richly due him for his work with
silver as well as with electromedicine, deep wound and bone multiple
infection control, tissue regeneration, and recalcitrant (umm,) bone
fracture healing.

Oh well, at least they're beginning to catch up to him.

 

On Mon, 2009-12-07 at 18:18 -0600, Norton, Steve wrote:
> Here is some information that I thought the group might be interested
> in.
> 
> http://scitation.aip.org/getabs/servlet/GetabsServlet?prog=normal&id=ECSTF811210101&idtype=cvips&gifs=yes
> 
> Treatment of Various Surfaces with Silver and its Compounds for
> Topical Wound Dressings, Catheter and Other Biomedical Applications
> 
> “The applications of surfaces treated with silver and its compounds
> include devices used as topical wound dressings, urinary catheters,
> endotracheal tubes, cardiac valves etc. Treatment of surfaces e.g.
> textile, polymers or metals with silver or its compounds is carried
> out to achieve the antimicrobial action of silver ions. Several
> approaches of surface treatment of medical devices for the
> antimicrobial purposes, such as electrodeposition, electroless
> deposition, physical vapor deposition, Picture (Device Independent
> Bitmap)- radiation, etc. have been used in practice. It is clear that
> only silver ions are responsible for the antimicrobial activity. As
> confirmed experimentally, only samples containing silver compounds can
> deliberate silver ions in the tested media and exhibit antimicrobial
> activity both in vitro and in vivo. There is no evidence that
> elemental silver, even its so-called "nano-crystalline" state,
> exhibits an antimicrobial activity. Consequently, the devices coated
> with "nano-crystalline" silver should carefully be taken into
> consideration before the application.”
> 
> Full article in google books:
> 
> http://books.google.com/books?id=mWFylRiXV8cC&pg=PT9&lpg=PT9&dq=%
> 22Treatment+of+various+surfaces+with+silver+and+its+compounds+for
> +topical+wound+dressings%
> 22&source=bl&ots=ixGCz2qti9&sig=of-Mkcn3VyMVbo0syg6hZMiY788&hl=en&ei=-pMdS7rvN87anAfX2dzeAw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=2&ved=0CBIQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=%22Treatment%20of%20various%20surfaces%20with%20silver%20and%20its%20compounds%20for%20topical%20wound%20dressings%22&f=false
> 
> “Based on the observation that metallic silver may exhibit some
> antimicrobial activity, when sufficiently long in contact with
> interstitial fluids, and considering the fact that only silver ions,
> and not silver metal, are responsible for the antimicrobial activity.
> One can conclude that electrochemical or corrosion phenomena plays a
> significant role in the antimicrobial activity of pure silver.”
> 
> 
> Some more food for thought.
> 
> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC127333/
> 
> Chemiosmotic Mechanism of Antimicrobial Activity of Ag+ in Vibrio
> cholerae
> 
> “Although the antimicrobial effects of silver salts were noticed long
> ago, the molecular mechanism of the bactericidal action of Ag+ in low
> concentrations has not been elucidated. Here, we show that low
> concentrations of Ag+ induce a massive proton leakage through the
> Vibrio cholerae membrane, which results in complete deenergization
> and, with a high degree of probability, cell death.”
> 
> 
> -   Steve N
> 


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RE: CS>How to use site

[Malcolm]

Hi Mary Ellen, 
Below is a url to one of the more informative articles I've seen on Lyme
and protocols for controlling it, as well as discussion on why it is so
debilitating and difficult to cure.  As part of the protocols Colloidal
Silver gets high marks, in conjunction with other adjuvant therapies.  I
have a friend who has Lyme, and it is truly devastating.  

Given that, please know that in standard disclaimer fashion I cannot
know the specifics of your situation, and I don't offer advice, just
what I've observed in my limited way; you are on your own here, don't
doubt it for a minute!

My own observation is - first get on a three to six month antibiotic
protocol to get the active phase under control, (my friend got a shot of
amoxicillin and ten days of pills; four months later he was flat on his
back and unable to walk - literally crawled back to the emergency room;)
this may include antibiotic shots to begin with.  You'll probably need
to winnow through several doctors to find one who has some real
knowledge in treating Lyme, it has taken YEARS for the mainstream
medical profession to catch on to treating this disease.  I'd expect a
doc who did would be agreeable to hefty long-term antibiotic treatment. 

"Antibiotic" is a Bad Word in the alternative health field, and with
reason, but there are times and conditions where it is a necessary evil.
The evil can be lessened by picking the right antibiotic - one that your
system can handle - and other helpers like diet, probiotics.
You really need a knowledgeable health care provider to help you through
this project, one who will monitor your health and response to therapy
with lab tests etc.

 Second, don't slack off, it'll come back on you if you do!  Beyond
that, he now (slow learner) uses the CS religiously right on through,
and will foreverafter; don't mean to sound grim, but truly effective
treatment is iffy, and expensive in time and bucks.  The CS helps my
friend keep a rein on it.

I've no idea what the diatomaceous earth is supposed to do, normally it
acts as a mechanical micro-sword, so to speak, to pierce parasites; in
fact is is fed to cows to do just that, kills the larvae (eggs?) of the
Bot fly in their stomachs.  IMHO it would be ineffective in combating
something as small as a spirochete and/or its spores.  Unfortunately the
spirochete is able to form spores, and hide out in joints and connective
tissue so antibiotics alone will not cure the long-term victim. 

http://www.townsendletter.com/FebMar2006/lyme0206.htm
 
Well, more than you ever wanted to know, prob'ly; it's a lousy disease
and a tough one, but it can be controlled and maybe cured over time;
Get help, not quicky 'cures'.  Good luck.  Malcolm.

On Thu, 2008-06-12 at 15:54 -0500, Mary Ellen Murphy wrote:
> I have posed a question.  This is the third time.  Most forums have
> different way to stay on top of questions.  But here goes again.  I have
> Lyme.  I wss referred to this site from Wolf Creek who supplies diatamatious
> earth, and the terminator zappper, and colloidal silver.  Someone there has
> been on this forum and has said that she has worked with people that have
> Lyme and use these products.  Anyone had success.  I a pretty sick and sorry
> for the impatience.  I am desperate.  The Lyme is ruining my life and need a
> good protocol to and wondering if anyone has used these products with Lyme
> with success.  
> 
> Thanks
> Mary Ellen
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: oha...@juno.com [mailto:oha...@juno.com] 
> Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 2:06 PM
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Subject: Re: CS>How to use site
> 
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> are down so all you have 
> to do is to pose a question on what you would like information on and
> there are many of us 
> here ready to assist - 
> Regards
> Sandee
> 
> Peace is easy . . . It is a mind set
> www.aliveagaingrenada.com
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RE: CS>Another Lyme article, less techno

[Malcolm]

Hi Mary Ellen, this article gives a more readable description, less
technobabble.  Sorry 'bout the first one, show that to your prospective
health care type, if (s)he turns strange colors and gets grumpy, look
for another provider .

http://www.townsendletter.com/Jan2005/lyme0105.htm


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> I have posed a question.  This is the third time.  Most forums have
> different way to stay on top of questions.  But here goes again.  I have
> Lyme.  I wss referred to this site from Wolf Creek who supplies diatamatious
> earth, and the terminator zappper, and colloidal silver.  Someone there has
> been on this forum and has said that she has worked with people that have
> Lyme and use these products.  Anyone had success.  I a pretty sick and sorry
> for the impatience.  I am desperate.  The Lyme is ruining my life and need a
> good protocol to and wondering if anyone has used these products with Lyme
> with success.  
> 
> Thanks
> Mary Ellen
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: oha...@juno.com [mailto:oha...@juno.com] 
> Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 2:06 PM
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Subject: Re: CS>How to use site
> 
> The site you are in touch with - silver-list@eskimo.com - the archives
> are down so all you have 
> to do is to pose a question on what you would like information on and
> there are many of us 
> here ready to assist - 
> Regards
> Sandee
> 
> Peace is easy . . . It is a mind set
> www.aliveagaingrenada.com
> 
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RE: CS>Info about the best generatrorfor collodial

[Malcolm]

Hi Mary Ellen, 
I've been making my own colloidal silver with my own home-made generator
for about ten years now; it's a current-controlled generator and has
worked very well, producing high quality high strength CS.  I don't make
generators for other people, mainly because it costs too much in time
and money for me to do so; I leave it to others who wish to do it as a
business.

I've paid attention to what others have been doing who Are in that
business.  I haven't gone about testing everyone else's, But I can tell
you what I have noticed.  along with many other people's judgements, the
Silver Puppy rates very high with me, and so does the SilverGen.

http://silverpuppy.com

http://www.silvergen.com/
  

And PLEASE, take the advice of those who are urging you to check out the
Lyme lists.  This is what is called an "Emerging Disease" so the people
who've got it are on the leading edge of the research about it.
 
http://www.lymediseaseassociation.org/

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/lymeinfo/

There are lots of these.
Take care of yourself, ok?



On Sun, 2008-06-15 at 18:14 -0500, Mary Ellen Murphy wrote:
> What are some other generators that are Ionic silver
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Clayton Family [mailto:clay...@skypoint.com] 
> Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 5:08 PM
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Subject: Re: CS>Info about the best generatrorfor collodial
> 
> I beg to differ, at least in principle. An ion is smaller than a stable 
> particle of any element.  Don't confuse the poor girl.  I respect Frank 
> Key's work, but this is getting to a nitpicking point that she may be 
> too sick to understand.
> 
> Ionically isolated silver is going to be the most reasonable solution. 
> I am not arguing with your statement about the small size being more 
> effective, but it is moot to argue about nanometers when one is talking 
> about ions.  My generator certainly produces ions, which are the 
> smallest pieces of silver that can exist.
> 
> kathryn
> 



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RE: CS>Info about the best generatrorfor collodial

[Malcolm]

Hi Mary Ellen, 
According to the blood test I don't have it, but I have a number of the
symptoms.  I live in tick country and have been nailed by them more
times than I could count - if I even wanted to.  I've had the rash
circle around the bite site too.  I doubt I'm "cured", but it's pretty
much under control.  


I don't know anything about the salt and vitamin C protocol, but I am a
"saltetarian" - I like salt and use lots of it on my food; and I take
vitamin C as a matter of general good health - [at least when I remember
to] - a gram or two a day and maybe six grams a day if I'm feeling
yucky. I get the kid's stuff that tastes better, 500 mg tablets, two at
a time.  I try to be nice to, and care for, myself; - I really like me -
only me I've got, after all.

You do the same; take care of yourself.
Malcolm





 
On Mon, 2008-06-16 at 18:54 -0500, Mary Ellen Murphy wrote:
> Did you have Lyme.  Are you cured with just doing the colloidal silver.
> 
> Has anyone on this site been cured.  How do you feel about the salt/vit C
> protocol
> 
> Thanks for your info
> Mary Ellen
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Malcolm [mailto:s...@asis.com] 
> Sent: Monday, June 16, 2008 5:33 PM
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Subject: RE: CS>Info about the best generatrorfor collodial
> 
> Hi Mary Ellen, 
> I've been making my own colloidal silver with my own home-made generator
> for about ten years now; it's a current-controlled generator and has
> worked very well, producing high quality high strength CS.  I don't make
> generators for other people, mainly because it costs too much in time
> and money for me to do so; I leave it to others who wish to do it as a
> business.
> 
> I've paid attention to what others have been doing who Are in that
> business.  I haven't gone about testing everyone else's, But I can tell
> you what I have noticed.  along with many other people's judgements, the
> Silver Puppy rates very high with me, and so does the SilverGen.
> 
> http://silverpuppy.com
> 
> http://www.silvergen.com/
>   
> 
> And PLEASE, take the advice of those who are urging you to check out the
> Lyme lists.  This is what is called an "Emerging Disease" so the people
> who've got it are on the leading edge of the research about it.
>  
> http://www.lymediseaseassociation.org/
> 
> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/lymeinfo/
> 
> There are lots of these.
> Take care of yourself, ok?
> 
> 
> 
> On Sun, 2008-06-15 at 18:14 -0500, Mary Ellen Murphy wrote:
> > What are some other generators that are Ionic silver
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Clayton Family [mailto:clay...@skypoint.com] 
> > Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 5:08 PM
> > To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> > Subject: Re: CS>Info about the best generatrorfor collodial
> > 
> > I beg to differ, at least in principle. An ion is smaller than a stable 
> > particle of any element.  Don't confuse the poor girl.  I respect Frank 
> > Key's work, but this is getting to a nitpicking point that she may be 
> > too sick to understand.
> > 
> > Ionically isolated silver is going to be the most reasonable solution. 
> > I am not arguing with your statement about the small size being more 
> > effective, but it is moot to argue about nanometers when one is talking 
> > about ions.  My generator certainly produces ions, which are the 
> > smallest pieces of silver that can exist.
> > 
> > kathryn
> > 
> 
> 
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Re: CS>Colloidal vs Ionic Silver

[Malcolm]

Hi Mary Ellen,
Ok, here we go, without all the " . . . . "; first off, some things
dissolve easily in water - salt, sugar, alcohol (think vodka), even
oxygen and nitrogen and carbon dioxide out of the air though some of
these not very much. Some things don't dissolve - though you can get an
argument about that, but for now; uh . . . no.

So next, strange as it may seem, there are two ways things dissolve in
water; they either stay themselves and their molecules just get totally
swirled into and around with the water molecules - like alcohol - or
they get split into two parts, a positive part and a negative. The
"positive" and "negative" descriptions of the parts are there because
the whatever - let's say good ol' salt - when it dissolves in water -
gets torn in two so a very little extra + (plus) electric charge ends up
on one piece and a matching opposite - (minus) electric charge on the
other: Those are ions, a positive ion, and a negative ion, from what was
salt.  Neither one alone is still salt . . . I know salty water tastes
like salt, it "has salt in it", salt crystals in your hand taste like
salt.

I'm not making this stuff up; you asked, and I enjoy explaining it, but
you can't get a whole chemistry class in a couple of notes so take it a
bit at a time.  An ion is a tiny bit of something that dissolved in
water by splitting off a bit of itself, often a tiny - electric charge,
an electron.  So, would you believe silver will dissolve in water?  

Well, with a little help we can do it; basically a "colloidal" silver
generator takes some electric charges and runs them out into a silver
wire stuck into some water.  There's another silver wire with the
opposite kind of electric charges in the water too, but the one with the
positive charges attracts one of a silver molecule's negative charges
and somehow convinces that Ion of silver to leave the wire.  Of course
it's not all so simple, sometimes the silver ion turns right around and
sticks back on, sometimes a few of them get out there, get together and
steal some charges from some water and turn back into plain, but very
very small particles of silver.  Those particles are what make the
colloidal part of the deal.

The generators discussed on this list are mostly of the kind that do
this with electricity; it seems to be the best way, and the "colloidal
silver" made with them is actually part Ionic - silver ions - and part
particulate.  And if the particles are small, and most of them are, they
are said to be colloidal which means they are SO small they won't even
settle out to the bottom in the water.  

Generally you get about eighty percent ionic silver and twenty percent
colloidal silver in a batch.  Both are just fine!

All for now, remember to take care of yourself!
Malcolm



On Tue, 2008-06-17 at 21:10 -0500, Mary Ellen Murphy wrote:
> I still do not understand yet the difference between Ionic and collodal
> silver.  Between all the people who know what they are talking about to a
> newcomer all it is is jibber jabber.  I still don't have clue what the
> difference is and which machine make ionics and which make colloidal.  I
> would love just someone to give to me in laymans terms without all the...I
> guess arguing.  Could someone help.  I have read and read and you guys just
> have me lost.
> 
> I appreciate the info but I don't think anyone has said which is ionic and
> which is colloidal.
> 
> Thanks
> Mary Ellen



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Re: CS>COPD

[Malcolm]

Hi, COPD is alphabet soup for: Chronic Obstructive Pulmonary Disorder

On Fri, 2008-08-01 at 10:31 -0500, Wayne Fugitt wrote:
> At 09:55 AM 8/1/2008, you wrote:
> > What is COPD?  Dee 
> 
>   Hope you do not have it and you never know what it is.
> 
>   One more disease name the medics use.
> 
>   Someone will tell you the definition.
> 
>   Wayne
> 
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Re: CS>Coonhound Paralysis

[Malcolm]

Hi, I'm not familiar with this, but was wondering if possibly your dog
had gotten something - perhaps a piece of chicken, or who knows what -
that was infected with salmonella bacteria.  Dogs can generally handle
bacterial contamination that would lay a human out sick - like about ten
times the level -  but they are peculiarly susceptible to salmonella
spp., and the vet can possibly check it out.  One of the characteristic
effects of salmonella poisoning in dogs is the paralysis.  I hope she
recovers, it's gonna be a long haul if it is salmonella, but a number
can make it and be just fine.  
Good luck,  Malcolm

On Tue, 2008-08-12 at 11:46 -0400, hj wrote:
> We did take her yesterday. The vet, after consulting his handbooks for
> about 15 minutes, came to the same conclusion. There is no treatment
> for this disease other than to give antibiotics and steroids a try - not
> something we want to do to her... If the breathing isn't affected, outlooks
> are pretty good, it just can take anywhere from a few weeks to several
> months for her to recuperate from this.
> 
> We want to help her hasten the healing as much as we can, and will try
> most everything. She's been a very active and healthy dog (no vaccines and
> on a raw diet), and just laying there must be incredibly frustrating for her.
> 
> Heidi
> 
> 
> 
> >I just mention this because you come to this forum for advice, but 
> >why don't you take her to the vet?  Faith G.
> 
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Re: CS>Coonhound Paralysis

[Malcolm]

It's just a matter of who's got the tougher ticks: ones that hold their
likker better.  OTOH, could be something else, ticks in the ear
notwithstanding.  Can't hurt to get the tick out, if there IS one huh?
Ode, you got tough ticks that's for sure.

On Wed, 2008-08-13 at 09:01 -0400, Faith Gagne wrote:
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Ode Coyote" 
> To: 
> Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 8:21 AM
> Subject: Re: CS>Coonhound Paralysis
> 
> 
> >
> >
> >   OK, so have an infection free  paralyzed dog with a tick talking in it's 
> > ear.
> > Somehow I think "IS" supersedes "might" and infection is another story.
> >
> > The tick will get full and fall off..but before the heart stops?  Might.
> >
> > I've seen ticks walk around under pure methanol for 20 minutes.
> > They can not breath at all for several days at a time.
> > The alcohol didn't smother them , they probably desiccated.
> >
> > I've heard of this method, but it has never worked for me.
> >
> > Ode
> <<<
> 
> 
> Well, that's strange because it always works for me.  Faith G. 
> 
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Re: CS>Coonhound Paralysis

[Malcolm]

Very Nice!  Been doing the same with my own version for ~ 35 years,
started off whittling a clothes pin down to a point, then ex-flytying
hackle pliers, then alligator clips; unscrew the little buggers.  Tried
all the smothering techniques,, minimal success.  During tick season
I'll get maybe 50 a day off the pup - "Tick Patrol" every evening -
toast them with the lighter, sterility doncha know . . . The very few
that get into me I drop on the hot stove top - well, they aggravate me!
I've also noticed that I get hyper sensitive to tiny crawling sensations
on my skin - no drugs involved.

More recently, past coupla years I've had many examples of ticks
parasitizing ticks; no, this was not illicit incestuous insect love, no
bug buggery; just plain ol' blood-sucking vampirism.  Tough times
a-comin'.
Take care,  M.

On Thu, 2008-08-14 at 07:29 -0400, Ode Coyote wrote:
> The tiny little crowbar:
> 
>http://www.ticktwister.com/index.html
> 
> Ode
> 



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Re: CS>Coonhound Paralysis

[Malcolm]

Hi Heidi,
No, though actually there are similarities between botulism and
salmonella in that they both produce their disastrous effects due to the
[differing] toxins the bugs make rather than the infections themselves.
This is why antibacterials are of minimal effect, the toxin is a poison
that persists after the bug itself is long gone.  F'rinstance "botox" is
actually that toxin from the botulinum bacterium which is used
(injected?) to cause micro-paralysis of tiny facial muscles, leading to
relaxing the little wrinkles.

In the past, salmonella poisoning of dogs was a rare occurrence except
in the PNW where the anadromous fish runs in winter left many carcasses
along the banks:  salmon ~ ~ salmonella, trite but true.  

On another note, the CS may be of benefit in your dog's recovery due to
its effect in promoting appropriate regeneration of tissues including
peripheral innervation;  see some of the work by Dr. Robert Becker with
diabetic ulceration, where not only was the decubitis healed but
sensation returned to the affected areas, though it again faded over
time [perhaps due to the poisonous effects of insulin, but who knows?]

Brooks Bradley, often a poster of valuable info to this list, has
discussed colonic CS for Parvovirus in dogs, where diarrhea severely
dehydrates the animal; perhaps it would be beneficial in this situation
as well, if for slightly different reasons; dunno.  Hope it helps, 

Take care,  
Malcolm

On Thu, 2008-08-14 at 10:47 -0400, hj wrote:
> Hi Malcolm:
> 
> Thank you for your reply. You must be thinking of botulism which the
> vet ruled out. If it was Salmonella, the CS would have taken care of
> it. There is no vomiting or diarrhea.
> 
> Thanks again,
> 
> Heidi
> 
> >Hi, I'm not familiar with this, but was wondering if possibly your dog
> >had gotten something - perhaps a piece of chicken, or who knows what -
> >that was infected with salmonella bacteria.  Dogs can generally handle
> >bacterial contamination that would lay a human out sick - like about ten
> >times the level -  but they are peculiarly susceptible to salmonella
> >spp., and the vet can possibly check it out.  One of the characteristic
> >effects of salmonella poisoning in dogs is the paralysis.  I hope she
> >recovers, it's gonna be a long haul if it is salmonella, but a number
> >can make it and be just fine.
> >Good luck,  Malcolm
> 
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Re: CS>nutra silver?

[Malcolm]

Hi Kathryn, I looked at NutraSilver's website; down at the very bottom
it says:  "...These statements have not been ... by the FDA ..." which,
the usual standard disclaimers aside, makes me wonder why all the hype
about FDA approved labs, NOT - you'll notice, - product.  My general
purpose BS detector overheats at this sort of obfuscation.

Work in Russia (oops, USSR then) examined finely divided silver in
suspensions, and I believe the conclusion was that it wasn't quite so
wonderful.  OTOH many water filters have used silver plated onto-into
charcoal with good antibacterial effects.  It would seem there's both a
contact effect with 'molecular' silver and possibly another effect with
the ionic solution.  Silverlon and other silver containing wound
dressings purportedly work by ion transport into the affected tissues.
Much of Dr. Becker's work was with ionic silver produced
electrolytically in-situ, particularly (eewww!) in bone and deep tissue
regeneration.

Perhaps Ode has some comment on his gel, whether it's primarily an ionic
or a covalent sort of goop; I've read it works, anyhow.

Take care,  M.

On Fri, 2008-08-15 at 09:04 -0500, Clayton Family wrote:
> I had not heard of it before, but they have a great website, with lots 
> ofinteresting info. I called them up and talked to a man who was very 
> helpful, in a way, what with trade secrets to protect and all. He said 
> it is the "next generation" colloidial silver, and it is 3600 ppm, not 
> salts, or ions. I looked on the lab reports site and could not find 
> NutraSilver.  But if it is not salts or ions, it would have to be 
> protein, wouldn't it?
> 
> I would not take this product, since I do not know what it is made 
> from, I would rather make my own.
> 
> kathryn
> 
> On Aug 15, 2008, at 4:01 AM,  wrote:
> 
> > Hi ALL,
> >
> > I have some questions ..
> >
> > Do  you know about NutraSilver?
> >
> > Who is using this ,I like to know more about this ailver and more 
> > testimonials...can we make it at home...or is this to difficult?
> >
> > Trudy
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Re: CS>TO WHOM IT CONCERNS.

[Malcolm]

Hi Neville,
"to whom it concerns"?  You, I think,.  Anyway, I'll take a shot at
this; think of electricity as analogous to water; think of voltage as
the pressure the water has tending to force it through, well, whatever;
a hose (wire) a nozzle (resistor), a large or small pipe (big or small
wire,and hence able to carry more or less water (electricity)) at that
pressure (voltage), and also how quickly you can fill a bucket given
that hose, nozzle, water pressure and size of bucket - (aahhh, the
amps, or amperes, or milliamps, or microamps, etc.; the quantity of
electricity flowing).

In the above, keep in mind that 'water' in this illustration has nothing
at all to do with the water used in making colloidal silver; here it's
just a handy way to give some sense of what these odd terms like volts,
milliamps, and such represent.  Also for the moment we will skip any
detailed consideration of how fast the electricity is moving - for
purposes of the analogy "it" is moving at virtually the speed of light,
and always does.  we'll also skip how fast ions move in solution and
other arcane and seemingly contradictory stuff for now, you're already
getting about the first month of a beginning course on electricity in a
few minutes.

OK, back to the analogy then, double the pressure behind the hose, leave
the nozzle the same, and you will get twice the amperage (err, water in
the bucket) in the same amount of time.  Or, open the nozzle to twice
the size with the same pressure behind it and, voila! twice the water in
the same amount of time. [unless you've got a kink in the hose, aka a
big resistor in your circuit. . . ]

On to the magic of CS (Colloidal Silver).  The - we hope pure - water
used to make CS is not what comes out of the hose.  Even if it had been
pure before it went into the hose it might very well not be when it came
out, so I'll not muddy the water further [sorry, almost] except to point
out that pure H2O has a Very high resistance to the passage of
electricity - Unlike the water from most domestic water supplies, which
conducts electricity well enough to give people standing barefoot in it
a nasty shock if they touch the wrong thing.

Very high resistance results in very little electricity moving through
the water with the silver wires hanging in it.  The flow of electricity,
measured in amps, or milliamps, is at first extremely small and as it
flows off one wire, it begins to pull small bits of silver, as molecules
or ions, off of the wire into the water; and as that happens the water
becomes more conductive or to put it the other way, to have less
resistance.  After all, now it has some ions which  'impurify' the
water, allowing electricity to flow more easily from wire to wire.  This
process can become runaway, allowing more and more electric current to
flow until the water does indeed become muddy, with Large particles of
silver torn off the wire by the large current flow.

This is not what we want, so it behooves us to limit the rate at which
the current can flow down to a small consistent amount, perhaps a
milliamp or only several hundred microamps.  On the other hand, at first
the resistance is So high that it seems to take forever to get the first
few ions and particles of silver into the water, so we tend to raise the
voltage (electrical pressure) on the wire initially to cause more
electric current flow and get those first few into the water speedily. 

There are electronic circuits which can sense how much electric current
is flowing, and also limit it to some preselected value; and one of the
ways they manage this throttling is by controlling the electric pressure
(aka voltage) allowed through them to the silver wire.

All for now, hope this helps; M.



On Tue, 2008-09-02 at 16:32 +0930, Neville wrote:
> OK people, by George I do believe I have finally got it.  I have been
> digesting all of this while you were all making 'zeds' and now the
> light bulb has finally lit.
>  
> If I understood electricity better I would have seen it earlier.
>  
> Current is high when first starting and gradually falls as production
> proceeds.  What is required is a 'current limiter' so that when enough
> time has passed and the process gets to the current limiter
> rating...that is the time to stop production.  As I suggested to
> someone earlier, I'm sorry but I can't remember who so no offence
> meant, "voltage is just the means to an end".
>  
> This is what stumped me on the weekend... I hooked the amp meter on
> and the reading never stopped, it kept...damn, I am going to have to
> check that again, but I think it kept going down.  Now I understand
> what is going on.  I set everything up using tap water to get instant
> results, or readings if you like, and the reading was changing almost
> every second.  I expected it to remain the same.  AH HA!!  If what I
> have stated here is correct thenI  HAVE FINALLY GOT IT SUSSED!
> I didn't realise just how 'blunt' this knife was!
>  
> No good me ta

Re: CS>TO WHOM IT CONCERNS.

[Malcolm]

Hi Neville, think of a capacitor as a bathtub (or pressure tank?) for
electrons - - 
The stripes on resistors Are hard to read, that's why I use a
multimeter.  And as you will soon discover, there are other striped
animals in the electronic jungle but they're easy to spot (eewww!) with
your trusty digital multimeter.  Even the el-cheapo ~$10 digital
multimeters are way more than good enough, just be sure they can measure
"AC amperes; DC amperes; AC volts; DC volts; and Ohms."
A long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away - the navy - I was taught a
mildly offensive little jingle to remember the color coding of
electronic components: Bad Boys Rape Our Young Girls But Violet Gives
Willingly; Get Some Now
Black  = 0
Brown  = 1
Red= 2
Orange = 3
Yellow = 4
Green  = 5
Blue   = 6
Violet = 7
Grey   = 8
White  = 9

Gold = 5% tolerance
Silver   = 10% tolerance
No color = 20% tolerance

Have fun,  Malcolm



> >   A book on basic electronics won't burn up your brain too much.
> > Just knowing the difference between a parallel and series circuit and how 
> > to hook up a multimeter to read what will take you a long way.
> >
> > Ode
AMEN


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RE: CS>Particle size - Comments please

[Malcolm]

Hi; this is a little too mechanistic to account for the body's ability
to break down and recombine not only proteins sugars and fats but also
mineral constituents of what we ingest.  Nevertheless, it's been stated
here in the past that 80 - 90% of CS is excreted through the bowel; I
don't know if this is really true or not, but there are a few confusion
factors to muddy the issue for ya.

On Thu, 2008-09-04 at 14:54 -0500, Norton, Steve wrote:
>   
> Ok, I am responding to my own query. If I have something wrong, let me
> know. This may only be an exercise without use except as my attempt to
> understand CS and it's limits as best as I can. What I have found:
> 
>   * Nothing on the permeability limits of sublingual although I
> expect it to be less than the intestinal permeability.
>   * The permeability of the intestines allows the passing of
> molecules up to 9200 Daltons, typically.
>   * While Daltons is a measure of molecular weight, 9200 Daltons
> roughly equates to 13 Angstroms.
>   * As a sanity test, NaEDTA is used to measure intestinal
> permeability. Being a relatively large molecule (approximately
> 11 Angstroms) it has  roughly a 5% (to maybe 18%) absorption
> rate. One can measure the levels of  NaEDTA in the blood
> stream against the expected amount that should have been
> absorbed and determine if the permeability of the intestines
> is to high or too low. This correlates well with the previous
> statement.
>   * CS with a yellow color has particle sizes in the .01 to .001
> micron (10 to 100 Angstroms). 
>   * This would mean that most if not nearly all the CS particles
> in a yellow batch is not absorbable by the digestive system.
> (assuming a symmetrical distribution such as an even or
> Gaussian distribution)
>   * There are factors such as pH and electrical charge that can
> increase or decrease absorption.
>   * This would also mean that little CS is absorbed sublingually.
> 
> 
> Comments? Ideas?
> 
>  - Steve N
> 
> -Original Message- 
> From: Norton, Steve [mailto:stephen.nor...@ngc.com] 
> Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 8:06 AM 
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
> Subject: CS>Particle size
> 
>   
> Does anyone know what the maximum size particle is that can be
> absorbed into the body either sublingually or through the stomach and
> intestines?
> 
>  - Steve N
> 
> 


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Re: CS>LED's, What Voltage ? How Dangerous ?

[Malcolm]

Hi Neville,
I don't think you've got DC theory down yet and AC theory is already
rearing it's ugly head for you.  

Safety first, though.  240VAC (that is, Volts [of] Alternating Current)
is deadly; I was taught the "One hand in your pocket" rule regarding ANY
high voltage.  This tends to reduce the chance of passing electric
current from one hand to the other through the heart; glad your mom
survived!

So; on to the mythical 24 volts DC from a wall-wart;  Alternating
Current is electricity that varies in a smooth (we hope) manner, over
time, 50 or 60 times per second, with the voltage pushing it rising to a
maximum value which is about 1.4 times "higher" than the "stated" value
of, for instance, a positive 120 Volts, then sinking in value through 0
Volts, then proceeding smoothly until a minimum (i.e. maximum negative)
value of about 1.4 times negative 120 Volts, returning through 0 volts
again and so on.  there is a difference of 240 volts electrical
potential between the greatest positive "ROOT-MEAN-SQUARE" value and the
greatest negative "RMS" value.  

Why the confusion factor of 1.4 times?  (RMS?)? Aahhh, AC theory, that's
why!  If you were to simply use a Direct Current value of 240 volts
(240VDC) between the "supply" and "return" electric lines there would be
quite a bit more power available in the lines than there is when the AC
voltage is at less than it's maximum positive or negative value for
significant parts of the alternating cycle.  To compensate - more or
less [Bad pun, Bad!]- for this the electrical engineering wizards in
their infinite mathematical wizardry calculated that upping the ante to
1.414141... times the nominal value for AC would give the same power
carrying capacity that a DC supply at that nominal value would exhibit;
simple, no?  No.  But there you are.  

There are some weird consequences to this hokey-pokey, one being that
your "24"VDC wall-wart can yield about 1.4 times its "nominal" voltage
when it is very lightly loaded.

More fun;  Malcolm

On Sat, 2008-09-06 at 22:33 +0930, Neville wrote:
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Wayne Fugitt" 
> To: 
> Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2008 8:26 PM
> Subject: CS>LED's, What Voltage ? How Dangerous ?
> 
> 
> Morning Wayne,
> 
> Not sure if you are directing this at me?
> 
>  Just in case you are I would like to say that the although the adaptor I am 
> using plugs in to 240 Volt mains supply, (our mains power supply is 240 V), 
> it is 24Volt DC output.  Not sure if you are thinking I am using 24 volt  AC 
> MAINS SUPPLY power on my CS generator, as that is NOT the case, it runs on 
> DC not AC.
> 
> I can also remember when I was 3 or 4 years old, (long before school), my 
> mother screamed from the laundry and as I walked in to see her she told me 
> to get out, rather abruptly, (I thought I had done something wrong you see, 
> and as it happened I almost DID), I can still see here in my minds eye today 
> getting the strength up to rip her clenched hand off the top of the agitator 
> on the old washing machine and after doing so immediately lying down on a 
> bed.  To this day I will never understand how she managed to remain alive, 
> considering the time lapse spoken of here, and ripping her clenched hand 
> free from the machine due to the electricity acting on the muscles in her 
> fingers, and not being killed, (one tough SOB I guess).  When I was older 
> she told me that she yelled at me because she knew I would touch her and 
> then I would get it also.  From this I always approach electricity with the 
> back of my hand as if it is live I won't grasp whatever it is I touch...she 
> taught me that.



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Re: CS>Information4U article on CS and silver coated tubes in surgery

[Malcolm]

Hi Rowena, Thank You very much for digging this out and posting it!
Take care,  Malcolm

On Sun, 2008-09-07 at 23:37 +0800, Rowena wrote:
> COLLOIDAL SILVER'S VALUE   http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Information4U
> 
> A new study published in JAMA is sure to have an unintended result –
> dramatically boosting the sales of colloidal silver around the country
> as a powerful immune support mineral.  The study was actually about
> the use of silver-coated tubes in hospital patients, and it showed a
> 36 percent reduction of ventilator-associated pneumonia (VAP), with a
> 48% reduction over the first 10 days (the common length of tube use
> for many).
> 
> Silver has been used in Greece, Rome, and Europe for centuries as a
> medicinal germ-killing metal to prevent food spoilage, enhance wound
> healing, and protect against nasty infections like the plague.
> Various antibiotic silver preparations were in widespread use in the
> United States prior to the invention of the FDA, meaning that silver
> has been grandfathered in as a natural remedy the FDA has little
> control over.
> 
> Nevertheless, the FDA routinely attacks makers of colloidal silver –
> especially when products are associated with claims of curing AIDS or
> some other nasty infection.  In fact, the FDA makes an effort to
> discredit silver as an effective antibiotic even when there is a
> mountain of evidence and consumer use that says otherwise.  Naturally
> there are higher quality silver products, but the overall tone of the
> FDA is more like the mafia trying to protect turf.
> 
> The new JAMA study is interesting for several reasons.  Tube-related
> infections are life-threatening and cause many unnecessary deaths
> every year.  Bacteria and Candida form biofilms on tubes, which is
> actually an effort on the part of one's body to reject a foreign
> substance that has come into close contact with living tissue.  Such
> infections cause your immune system to go and look at the tube, and if
> your immune system had its way it would dissolve the tube to get rid
> of it.  This natural defense against the tube poses a serious
> treatment challenge when a tube has a medical necessity to be there –
> especially for any length of time.
> 
> The silver-coated tubes were designed to steadily release silver ions,
> not much different than taking colloidal silver as a dietary
> supplement.  The researchers explain how this works, "Silver kills
> bacteria and yeast by sticking to the organisms' enzymes, genetic
> material and other molecular components, preventing basic functions
> and interfering with reproduction. These organisms very rarely develop
> resistance to silver, and the metal has no known side effects in
> humans.  The new endotracheal tubes are coated with a
> silver-containing polymer, created by C.R. Bard Inc., that releases
> silver ions to the surface of the tubes. There, silver exerts a
> broad-spectrum antimicrobial effect, reduces adhesion of bacteria to
> the tube and blocks the formation of biofilms, communities of
> microorganisms that build up special protective structures on
> surfaces… this is just the beginning for this kind of technology."
> 
> A silver renaissance is now under way.
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RE: CS>OT: cleaning microwave guts

[Malcolm]

Hi Steve, 
No disrespect, but this is a Very Bad idea for a number of reasons.
First, there are nooks and crannies you will never get to where the
water will remain; Second, much tap water is fairly conductive and will
hide under small electronic components on circuit boards, and in the
windings of the high voltage transformer, causing short circuits and
very possibly fires and almost certainly destroying the microwave;
third, putting the device in the tub, often metal, and with grounded
water pipes, almost universal, is an invitation to electrocution.  I'm
glad you've gotten away with it, but that is probably more a combination
of good luck and good (non-conductive) water; fourth, again tap water in
contact with the metal of electronic bits and pieces will corrode them,
and that corrosion itself will disable the electronics inside in short
order. 

 
You have definitely horrified me and I'd urge anyone reading your post
to check with a local electronic appliance repair shop or TV technician
on such a procedure.

On Thu, 2008-09-11 at 16:23 -0500, Norton, Steve wrote:
> Kathryn,
> I am probably going to horrify some with my recommendation but you can
> clean your microwave in your bathtub with tap water. The one thing I am
> not sure of is the magnetron which is mounted on the side or top of the
> microwave chamber and generates the actual microwaves. It has been
> sometime since I tore one of those apart but as I recall they are not
> water tight. I would mask off the magnetron with plastic and tape to
> keep out water and ammonia. 
> I have cleaned a number of TVs and other electronics with tap water with
> no problems. Just rinse the cleaning solution off Very Well and Dry
> Completely before use.  Water can be trapped in connectors and so check
> they are dry inside as well as outside. I find that drying in direct
> sunlight for a couple or three days is usually enough if the days are
> warm.
> Before you open the microwave, let it set for 2 to 3 days unplugged to
> discharge the capacitors. BTW, TVs also have a high voltage capacitor on
> the versions with a picture tube.
> This is what I would do.
>  - Steve
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Clayton Family [mailto:clay...@skypoint.com] 
> Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 1:46 PM
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Subject: CS>OT: cleaning microwave guts
> 
> Dear List,
> 
> I am trying to rid my house of airborne toxins. These may have
> accumulated in the inner working of the microwave as they did in the
> fridge. One way to detoxify these things (according to Dr Croft, a
> pathologist) is to spray them down liberally with ammonia solution and
> let it dry thoroughly (days, a week or even 2).  So it seems to me that
> this would be inherently hazardous where a MW oven is concerned what
> with the HV storage capacitor or whatever. I can't think of any good way
> to do it.
> 
> It may well be healthier to just get a new one. Simpler for certain, but
> where is the fun in that?  Maybe there is a cheap one at Menards or
> something.
> 
> Thanks,  Kathryn
> 
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Re: CS>OT: cleaning microwave guts

[Malcolm]

Hi Kathryn,

What about a hepa filter 'High Efficiency Particulate Air' vacuum
cleaner as well as a more general household hepa filter; Honeywell makes
a bunch of these, though I don't know their real - as opposed to
advertised - quality.  Industrial strength filters are available for
applications such as laminar flow hoods with Guarantees of less than one
percent of particles under a micron or so size at very low pressure drop
across the filter; if I remember correctly, five to ten microns is
considered the worst for us mammals w/lungs.  Another thought; though
common household bleach (Blech!) has a bad rep in many applications, it
is about the most effective household disinfectant that dissipates in a
reasonable amount of time. Ammonia?  Hhmmm, De gustibus non disputandum.
"After it dries, a week or so"? Hhmm again. Cut down on spore dispersal,
suck em up while they're a wee bit damp and bound to their companion
particles.  After all, the trick is not just to kill nasty little
life-forms, but to rid your environment of nasty little dead particles
left over from god-knows-what nasty little things whether they grew
on-site or arrived otherwise.

In Almost ALL microwave ovens there is a resistor across the terminals
of the high voltage capacitor, called a "bleeder resistor" and put there
solely to 'bleed off" the high voltage.  There's no sure thing about
this, but a competent small appliance repair shop or TV tech. should be
able to verify it's there or not, and still functioning or not.
Alternatively, the knowledgeable adventurous can take a screwdriver with
a good uncracked plastic handle and a piece of insulated electrical wire
w/alligator clips on the ends, clip one alligator to the metal blade of
the screwdriver, other end to the metal chassis of the microwave oven
innards (that's just to reduce the possibility of becoming a bleeder
resistor yourself) and touch the metal blade of the screwdriver between
both the terminals of the capacitor.  If you're not sure what a
capacitor looks like, forget the whole crazy idea, it's not worth
getting zapped!  Other safety hints, stand on dry cardboard, a couple of
thicknesses, wear rubber gloves and -soled shoes, one hand behind your
back, don't lean on the counter or sink, etc., etc.  "thimk! Snile!!"

Some other options; ionic air filters or static precipitators, not just
the negative ion generators, which are nice but hardly up to whole room
air cleaning, whatever they say; however any of these address the
problem of non-biological toxic particles. Almost any surface finish
like paint or varnish can be a prob, you probably know most of this
stuff already. To get a look at what else may help, check out what
commercial mushroom growers go through to prevent contamination.  After
all, they provide ideal environments for not only their own preferred
portobellos but any other wild species of fungal or mycobacterial spore
that drifts in to set up it's version of reproduction in paradise.

On Thu, 2008-09-11 at 15:45 -0500, Clayton Family wrote:
> Dear List,
> 
> I am trying to rid my house of airborne toxins. These may have 
> accumulated in the inner working of the microwave as they did in the 
> fridge. One way to detoxify these things (according to Dr Croft, a 
> pathologist) is to spray them down liberally with ammonia solution and 
> let it dry thoroughly (days, a week or even 2).  So it seems to me that 
> this would be inherently hazardous where a MW oven is concerned what 
> with the HV storage capacitor or whatever. I can't think of any good 
> way to do it.
> 
> It may well be healthier to just get a new one. Simpler for certain, 
> but where is the fun in that?  Maybe there is a cheap one at Menards or 
> something.
> 
> Thanks,  Kathryn
> 
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Re: CS>Varification?

[Malcolm]

Hi Neville,
As a book I once saw had for a title "There Are No Electrons" 
We think there are, they are an explanatory device to help us navigate a
world of Energy we try to fiddle with - - well, I see I've run over your
word limit. . . . . .
On the other hand, there ARE "holes"; Oh yes, the very definitive Lack
of electrons.  "Holes" are hungry, or so it seems to us, they are hungry
for - you guessed it - electrons, [which is why there are no electrons,
I guess, sort of like pac-man munching along.] [Except, maybe, at the
philosophical 'zero point', the very belly button of quantum creation,
but I digress.]
Now if the wholly (err,) imaginary electrons are for some mysterious
reason going from 'negative' (another mythological construct) to
'positive' is it not reasonable to expect the "holes" would do the
opposite in their ravenous hunt??  'Course it is!  Which is "really" the
electricity though, clock- or counter-?  Well, like at the ZP, it all
happens at once, both ways.

And indeed these conceptual entities are not waiting in some conceptual
energy "buckets" you could pour out into a wire through the electron or
hole funnels, they are already everywhere, and tend toward equilibrium.
Various influences including our tendency to meddle with stuff, disturbs
this energy equilibrium, and we make use of the disequilibrium for our
own nefarious purposes.

On Fri, 2008-09-12 at 09:22 +0930, Neville wrote:
> OK, I have researched electronics a bit now but as I can't find a
> definitive answer I need to ask?  One has a circuit...looking at a
> clock face, (for the purpose of explanation), at 6:00 you have the
> input power source, say a 9V battery, (for simplicity), the positive
> connector is on the right, negative on the leftnow, does the
> electricity run directional? ie; does it circulate starting at the
> positive passing the 3:00 and return through the negative, or does it
> pass around the 9:00 and return to the positive...or neither, and just
> 'flows' so to speak to complete a circuit meaning there is
> no 'particular' directional flow.  If electricity has no 'particluar'
> directional 'flow' then I need not ask the second question I have
> regarding placement of resistors or anything else in a circuit as they
> will take 'control' anyway, regardless of directional 'flow', (if
> electricity 'flows').
>  
> Sorry for being a time waster but have to ask as I can't find an
> answer that is definitive enoughmaybe that's the answer to my
> question right there!  There's no 'directional' flow, it just
> 'completes' a circuit!  Similar to the garden hose thing I read about,
> the water just goes into the circle but can go either direction from
> the 6:00 position to just meet up somewhere around that clock face to
> make the circuit complete.
>  
> Your resident electronics expert...Neville.
>  
> P.S.  25 words or less would be good...!  :-)


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Re: CS>Varification?

[Malcolm]

Well that's the meter's fault, it's actually kinda handy when the little
minus sign shows up to tell me which side is what, or not, to show the
opposite.

On Fri, 2008-09-12 at 10:46 +0930, Neville wrote:
> No worries Chuck.  It's just that I am concentrating on 'flow' because when 
> I hook the meter up to measure something, (can't remember what at the 
> moment), and I hook the pos and neg probes...like so...I get no reading and 
> when I reverse probes from neg to pos...like so...I then do get a reading, 
> this is why I asked about electricity 'flowing' in a directional manner.  I 
> just thought if I understood 'flow' then everything else would fall into 
> place easier.
> 
> Yep, it's OK, leave it with me, I'll look at the Maxwell thing.
Oh by all means, we'll hear from you in a few years; how Are you at
multivariable vector calculus, btw?  
> 
> N.
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: 
> To: 
> Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 10:24 AM
> Subject: Re: CS>Varification?
> 
> 
> Neville,
> The flow is whatever you need it to be as long as you're consistent
> while you're working this particular circuit.
> 
> There are two theories depending on whether  you're doing electronics
> or doing electrician. Both will work, but the assumed flows are
> opposite of each other.
> Pick one, I suggest electronic, and stick with it until much later.
> You really can't do both unless you're an engineer.
> 
> Hint:
> look up Maxwells mesh equations. Maybe on wikipedia.
> 
> Chuck
> 
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Re: CS>OT: cleaning microwave guts

[Malcolm]

Many toxins are actually bits and pieces of dead bacteria and fungi or
their excretion products; thus the microwave may actually contribute
more toxins to some minor degree.  Also there are many parts of the oven
that aren't irradiated, but just collect dust and particulate debris
because of that durn fan blowing air and making dust-bunnies.

On Fri, 2008-09-12 at 13:15 +0100, Dee wrote:
> I would have thought that just to turn the microwave on would kill any 
> toxins in it! dee
> 
> Clayton Family wrote:
> > Dear List,
> >
> > I am trying to rid my house of airborne toxins. These may have 
> > accumulated in the inner working of the microwave as they did in the 
> > fridge. One way to detoxify these things (according to Dr Croft, a 
> > pathologist) is to spray them down liberally with ammonia solution and 
> > let it dry thoroughly (days, a week or even 2).  So it seems to me 
> > that this would be inherently hazardous where a MW oven is concerned 
> > what with the HV storage capacitor or whatever. I can't think of any 
> > good way to do it.
> >
> > It may well be healthier to just get a new one. Simpler for certain, 
> > but where is the fun in that?  Maybe there is a cheap one at Menards 
> > or something.
> >
> > Thanks,  Kathryn
> >
> >
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> >
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Re: CS>Thinking about current flow: for Neville

[Malcolm]

Ummm,

On Fri, 2008-09-12 at 15:36 -0005, M. G. Devour wrote:
> Dear Neville,
> 
> You write:
> > > [The actual linear velocity of the electrons within the wire is
> > > proportional to the current:  Zero with the switch off, and limited by
> > > ohm's law, ie. total circuit resistance and voltage, when on.]
> > 
> > As a simple example...the higher the current, the quicker the 'flow',
> > (forgetting ohms law for the moment)... yes?
> 
> The higher the voltage or lower the resistance, then yes, the current 
> will be higher, which means the electrons are moving faster in the 
> wire. 

well not really, though more of them will be moving in the (roughly)
same direction past a given point; that is, after all, what "Current"
is.

It's not that the electrons run faster from end to end, hence increasing
the current; it's that higher voltage crowds them in more densely: for
yet another very imperfect analogy, more get stuffed into the subway
train, but the train doesn't go any faster, and so more get out at their
destination, per unit of time (hours if you live in New York!) 



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RE: CS>OT: cleaning microwave guts

[Malcolm]

Yes, a good point!  In fact often you can short out a capacitor several
times in a row and get a spark each time; Yikes!  High voltage
capacitors are especially likely to behave this way, because the
insulating element that separates the two "plates" of the cap becomes
formed by the electrical pressure - the voltage - impressed on it.  this
tends to drive it's electrons toward or away from the positive or
negative plates.  When the voltage is removed, the electrons tend to
migrate back to their former positions and induce a further charge on
them, a new equilibrium.


On Fri, 2008-09-12 at 14:29 -0400, bob Larson wrote:
> ...TV's and monitors with CRT's can accumulate charge in unplugged storage
> even if the cap is drained initially.  i forget how it works, but it's
> apparently true.
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Dan Nave [mailto:dan.n...@nilfisk-advance.com]
> > Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 1:40 PM
> > To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> > Subject: RE: CS>OT: cleaning microwave guts
> >
> >
> > The microwave that I have, which I am considering using for CS, has a
> > resistance associated with it to discharge the capacitor.  Not sure how
> > long it takes.  The TV will hold a charge for a long time.
> >
> > Dan
> 
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Re: CS> OT - Hemp Oil Cures Cancer Video

[Malcolm]

Kathryn,how didya know?

Yeah, actuelly we'r all from Sirius the Dawg star 'bout a hunnert years
ago, gran sed, we'r diffrnt'n you an we'r same's each other and we'r
gonna take over yore "good ol' yew ess of ayy" any day now, soon's we
kin get straight enuff Oh, wait, thass the rednecks gonna dew thet; er
did they? Shucks, it's jes impossible t'keep it all clear less'n you
gots a TEEVEE ta sort it out fer ya. Cain't hardly get no reeceptshun
here, thass the problum, dumbhead naydivs outta sillicone valley keep
thinkin' they're thinkin'.  An' Talk!  whyn't they jes Shut-Up like
Mistr O reilly tol'um to, betcha he come from a nuther planit too like
us'n  Dumbheads!thinks they knows better'n othr'ns jes cuz they went ta
sum dumbass school; we don' need no dumbass school ta tell US what ta
think about.
An I allready knowed video cures cancer, so ther!

Abjure obfuscation
uncle wiggly

On Fri, 2008-09-12 at 12:53 -0500, Clayton Family wrote:
> OMG- you live in that freaky so-left-wing-it- made ted kennedy look  
> like a right winger- town of santa cruz.
> 
> Sorry to hear that. You have my condolences.
> 
> kathryn
> 
> On Sep 12, 2008, at 2:04 AM, ascottsil...@aol.com wrote:
> 
> > In our town the city council is lifting the  smoking ban at the park  
> > so that
> > people can smoke medicinal marijuana.
> > How are  things going in your town?  (^_^)
> >
> > http://www.santacruzsentinel.com/localstories/ci_10417491
> >
> > Best  wishes,
> > Andy
> >
> > In a message dated 9/10/2008 4:41:50 P.M. Pacific  Daylight Time,
> > csa...@netzero.net writes:
> >
> > Dear Silver List  Members,
> > Check out the video at this  link.
> > http://www.kickthemallout.com/article.php/Video- 
> > Cannabis_Oil_Cures_Cancer
> 
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Re: CS>Thinking about current flow: for Neville

[Malcolm]

Didit; but other than that small glitch it was an excellent explanation
for Neville's purposes, Props!!  

On Fri, 2008-09-12 at 18:59 -0005, M. G. Devour wrote:
> Okay, guys, I yield! But if you can come up with *better* imagery 
> that's intuitive *and* rigorous, I'm all ears! 
> 
> Mike D.
> 
> > Evening Mike,
> > 
> > At 10:41 AM 9/12/2008, you wrote:
> > >The higher the voltage or lower the resistance, then yes, the 
> > >current  will be higher, which means the electrons are moving faster in
> > >the wire.
> > 
> >In that case, how can one calculate watts ?
> > 
> >Measure or guess ?
> > 
> >Unless I misunderstand it,  ...
> > what you stated disproves ohms law.
> > 
> >I guess I misunderstand it  
> > 
> >Wayne
> > 
> > = 
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Re: CS>OT: cleaning microwave guts

[Malcolm]

Hi, almost forgot; the clothes dryer is infamous for collecting lint,
dust, and after years of use, suddenly catching on fire.  This is not
the best way to clean it though.  Usually the front panel can be wangled
free and the truly incredible amounts of foof peeled off the motor,
pulleys and whatnot. Definitely a worthwhile airborne toxin reduction
method!

On Thu, 2008-09-11 at 15:45 -0500, Clayton Family wrote:
> Dear List,
> 
> I am trying to rid my house of airborne toxins. These may have 
> accumulated in the inner working of the microwave as they did in the 
> fridge. One way to detoxify these things (according to Dr Croft, a 
> pathologist) is to spray them down liberally with ammonia solution and 
> let it dry thoroughly (days, a week or even 2).  So it seems to me that 
> this would be inherently hazardous where a MW oven is concerned what 
> with the HV storage capacitor or whatever. I can't think of any good 
> way to do it.
> 
> It may well be healthier to just get a new one. Simpler for certain, 
> but where is the fun in that?  Maybe there is a cheap one at Menards or 
> something.
> 
> Thanks,  Kathryn
> 
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Re: CS>Thinking about current flow: for Neville

[Malcolm]

Hi Marshall, we certainly disagree on this one, check out positive and
negative doping of semiconductors, obviously there can be more and
looser - so to speak - electrons within lattice structures and more than
there are protons  to balance them.  Further, due to the strains between
crystal interfaces - polish some metal and etch it and you'll see them -
various parts of any piece of metal will have different quantities of
electron propagation at some voltage across the particular crystal
interfaces.  Also the inherent resistance of various metals and alloys -
compare silver and inconel or even iron for instance - gives an
illustration of the confused and by no means linear effect of electric
pressure on so-called "free" electrons in metals.  In other words,
although the signal travels at just slightly less than the speed of
light, and though I grant that increasing the pressure on an electron
will tend to cause it to be more likely to move, the effective increase
in current in, say, a wire is overwhelmingly a matter of getting more
electrons moving than getting any one, or billion, of them to move
faster from one end of the wire to the other.  More current causes more
heat, causes less current. Anyhow, that's what I was taught; perhaps the
sands have shifted from under my feet, that has happened before. 

Superconductivity is another matter, and I don't know anything about
electron flow in superconductors.
Take care,  Malcolm

On Mon, 2008-09-15 at 11:18 -0400, Marshall Dudley wrote:
> Malcolm wrote:
> > Ummm,
> >
> > On Fri, 2008-09-12 at 15:36 -0005, M. G. Devour wrote:
> >   
> >> Dear Neville,
> >>
> >> You write:
> >> 
> >>>> [The actual linear velocity of the electrons within the wire is
> >>>> proportional to the current:  Zero with the switch off, and limited by
> >>>> ohm's law, ie. total circuit resistance and voltage, when on.]
> >>>> 
> >>> As a simple example...the higher the current, the quicker the 'flow',
> >>> (forgetting ohms law for the moment)... yes?
> >>>   
> >> The higher the voltage or lower the resistance, then yes, the current 
> >> will be higher, which means the electrons are moving faster in the 
> >> wire. 
> >> 
> >
> > well not really, though more of them will be moving in the (roughly)
> > same direction past a given point; that is, after all, what "Current"
> > is.
> >
> > It's not that the electrons run faster from end to end, hence increasing
> > the current; it's that higher voltage crowds them in more densely: for
> > yet another very imperfect analogy, more get stuffed into the subway
> > train, but the train doesn't go any faster, and so more get out at their
> > destination, per unit of time (hours if you live in New York!) 
> >   
> The number of electrons inside a wire is constant, and independent of 
> any voltage on the wire, it will be equal to the number of protons in 
> the nucleus, always.  Now if you put high voltage on a wire, the number 
> of electrons on the surface will vary due to the capacitance effects on 
> the surface, but this is trivial compared to the number of electrons 
> inside the wire.  If what you were saying were true, then applying a 
> positive voltage to a wire that is grounded would result in a reduction 
> of current as the voltage is increased, since that would result in fewer 
> electrons in the wire.  Ohms law is correct whether the wire has a 
> positive voltage or negative voltage on it since the voltage on a wire 
> has no effect on the number of carriers inside the wire.  It only 
> affects their average velocity.  Think in terms of a pipe with water.  
> Adding pressure does not change the amount of water in the pipe, except 
> by any little amount the pipe stretches, but adding pressure drop from 
> one end of the pipe to the other changes the velocity of the water in 
> the pipe, thus the flow increases. Voltage equals pressure, current 
> equals flow.
> 
> It is actually pretty simply to do the math.  An electron experiences a 
> pull when in an electric field. This pull is the vector product of the 
> voltage gradient and the charge on the electron.  The electron 
> experiences an acceleration which is mathematically equal to this force 
> divided by the mass of the electron.  However before it has gone far, it 
> bumps into an atom, and loses it's velocity, and the kinetic energy is 
> converted to heat. This is what give wire resistance.  Now if you can 
> couple the electrons together into pairs, they can actually flow without 
> bumping into the atoms, and that is how a superconductor, whic

RE: CS>Thinking about current flow: for Neville

[Malcolm]

AMEN!
Just look what you got us into, Neville! 

On Mon, 2008-09-15 at 13:27 -0500, Dan Nave wrote:
> You approach this from physics perspective, which will give a complete
> (but complex) understanding.  
> 
> For the most part, simple electrical circuits may be more easily
> understood without referring to the "speed" of electrons.  
> After all, where is the variable for electron speed in Ohm's law?
> 
> Of course, when we get into actual electrolysis in the CS cell, we have
> to ask you about it... ;-))
> 
> Dan
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@king-cart.com] 
> > Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 10:18 AM
> > To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> > Subject: Re: CS>Thinking about current flow: for Neville
> > 
> > Malcolm wrote:
> > > Ummm,
> > >
> > > On Fri, 2008-09-12 at 15:36 -0005, M. G. Devour wrote:
> > >   
> > >> Dear Neville,
> > >   
> 
> > The number of electrons inside a wire is constant, and 
> > independent of any voltage on the wire, it will be equal to 
> > the number of protons in the nucleus, always.  Now if you put 
> > high voltage on a wire, the number of electrons on the 
> > surface will vary due to the capacitance effects on the 
> > surface, but this is trivial compared to the number of 
> > electrons inside the wire.  If what you were saying were 
> > true, then applying a positive voltage to a wire that is 
> > grounded would result in a reduction of current as the 
> > voltage is increased, since that would result in fewer 
> > electrons in the wire.  Ohms law is correct whether the wire 
> > has a positive voltage or negative voltage on it since the 
> > voltage on a wire has no effect on the number of carriers 
> > inside the wire.  It only affects their average velocity.  
> > Think in terms of a pipe with water.  
> > Adding pressure does not change the amount of water in the 
> > pipe, except by any little amount the pipe stretches, but 
> > adding pressure drop from one end of the pipe to the other 
> > changes the velocity of the water in the pipe, thus the flow 
> > increases. Voltage equals pressure, current equals flow.
> > 
> > It is actually pretty simply to do the math.  An electron 
> > experiences a pull when in an electric field. This pull is 
> > the vector product of the voltage gradient and the charge on 
> > the electron.  The electron experiences an acceleration which 
> > is mathematically equal to this force divided by the mass of 
> > the electron.  However before it has gone far, it bumps into 
> > an atom, and loses it's velocity, and the kinetic energy is 
> > converted to heat. This is what give wire resistance.  Now if 
> > you can couple the electrons together into pairs, they can 
> > actually flow without bumping into the atoms, and that is how 
> > a superconductor, which has no resistance, works.
> > 
> > Marshall
> > 
> > Marshall
> 
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Re: CS>OT: cleaning microwave guts

[Malcolm]

Hi Jon,
I may have been getting a little overenthused, but was trying to address
multiple forms of contamination: 1)bacteria and fungi,  2)toxic detritus
from same,  3)other environmental pollutants such as outgassing from
building materials, dust, gaseous and microparticular drift from
numerous sources out- or in-doors which are not life forms or the
products or remains of same.  

I agree whole heartedly sunlight is an excellent anti-bacterial, ozone
can be a bit tricky since it oxidizes one's lung tissue, UV light can
help, but bacteria are notorious for 'hiding' from UV in water purifiers
by hitching a ride on tiny particles - even colloids - in the water and
I'd suspect they can do so in air.  Of course bleach is not much more
useful against inanimate particles, other than being an oxidizer, than
water.  Kathryn seems to have found significant benefit from using
ammonia, which may nitrify organic pollutants, dunno, new one on me. 
Take care,  Malcolm 

On Mon, 2008-09-15 at 14:04 +0900, Jonathan B. Britten wrote:
> Just curious, and not quibbling, but given that this group is devoted 
> to EIS, why not use that?   Might it not be less oxidative?
> 
> Taking things one step further:  mightn't sunlight do the job?If 
> one can spray something onto the components, sunlight might also reach 
> them.   I have read that 48 hours of sunlight on PET-bottled water 
> renders it fit to drink -- the poor man's last-ditch water purification 
> system.
> 
> 
> On Saturday, Sep 13, 2008, at 00:05 Asia/Tokyo, Norton, Steve wrote:
> 
> >  Kathryn,
> > You should consider Malcolms suggestion about using bleach. It is a 
> > great disinfectant and does dissipate leaving no residue. It generally 
> > isn't used for electronics because it is an oxidant and can corrode 
> > metals but if you dry the microwave in a reasonable time it should be 
> > no problem. One approach might be to:
> 
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Re: CS>Here's one for Chuck!

[Malcolm]

everything else is getting bigger?

On Mon, 2008-09-15 at 22:14 -0005, M. G. Devour wrote:
> If the dollar keeps getting smaller, why do they call it inflation?
> 
> 
> 
> Mike D.
> 
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Re: CS>Distilling technique...

[Malcolm]

Hi Mike, some things occur to me; not all the organics are volatile at
boiling or below; as an example of this consider that some purification
processes use steam distillation to carry over oils in a water bath.
Further the stainless may leach something into the boiling water,
something it's pores could hold with a tenacity that resists rinsing and
the initial "drive off the volatiles" process.  Glass is best, some of
the old pyrex stuff is available at goodwills, though it's a little
small for the batches you're making.  You might try using a vacuum to
lower the B.P., in conjunction with a closed system; say a pressure
cooker and a coil condenser.  I used to run a pressure cooker with a
homemade cooling coil of stainless immersed in a cool-water bath and
directly into a glass jug.  worked pretty well. I've ended up with a
R.O. system and then a mixed resin bed de-ionizer, gets both pos and neg
ions, and get water down to a nominal 0.1 microSiemens as measured on a
com 100.  Thass good enough for me, also passes the taste test.  When
tasting water, though, it's a good idea to have a comparison sample of
water you can trust; rinse and go back and forth a few times..

Rainwater may or may not be good, depends on what pollutants may be in
the air.  Temperature control can be a significant factor, glass is
always best, borosilicate lab glass.  So-called soda glass, common, is
not the ultimate, but usually works, 'specially after a (VERY tiny) bit
of sodium has leached out of it, but that's down to Assay work.

Hope this helps,  Malcolm   

On Tue, 2008-09-16 at 15:06 -0005, M. G. Devour wrote:
> Those of you who've been making your own distilled water for a while 
> can probably answer this...
> 
> Now that I've been able to make a few gallons of my own "distilled" 
> water, I'm less than thrilled with the taste of it. If I didn't know 
> any better I'd say it tastes a bit like plastic, though my senses of 
> taste and smell are marginal at the moment. In any case, it definitely 
> has a stale or chemical kind of taste to it.
> 
> The distillate path consists entirely of the glass lid and glass jar. 
> Could the glass be leaching something?
> 
> I let the water come to a rolling boil before putting the lid on, so 
> I'd assume any volatiles are boiling off. Is that adequate? Or, are 
> there things in the tap water that are close enough to the boiling 
> point of water that they're getting carried through the distillation 
> process?
> 
> I suppose I should filter the tap water before distilling, right? 
> 
> That and maybe collecting rainwater? 
> 
> Any advice? Thanks!
> 
> Mike D.
> 
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Re: CS>EICS colour?

[Malcolm]

Hi Neville,
Color is not an indication of ppm or strength, it is an indication of
the particle Size in your brew.  Yellow is indicative of a particle size
that absorbs the violet component of light (rather short wavelength,
hence moderately small particle size.)  NO color - "water clear" - is
the best, and attention to the purity of the water and employing a
current of less than 1 milliamp per square inch of  the active silver
electrode in your water is a common rule of thumb, though I find 100
microamps per, to work well for me. I also try to keep the electrodes
clean which seems to make great difference for my brew, and reversing
current between the electrodes  every so often, perhaps every five or
ten minutes when I don't get distracted .  Stirring, and using cool,
65 - 70 Fahrenheit water seem to help also. 

take care,  Malcolm


On Wed, 2008-09-17 at 12:17 +0930, Neville wrote:
> Hi All,  
>  
> Yep, I'm back!  Assume everything has settled down so I thought I
> could come out of hiding...joking of course...
>  
> Perhaps someone could give me the colour ranges of LVDC CS, starting
> with clear and progressing through the colour changes after that?
> Except 'black', don't bother with 'black' as I'm never going to go
> that far.  My research states 'yellow' is always the first colour
> which becomes apparent when producing colloids.  I have researched
> some information but prefer a personal appraisal.
>  
> I am using Pure Water at the moment as the supermarket I usually get
> my Distilled Water from is closed for refurbishment.   Can't say I'm
> happy with Pure Water though, even though I got it from the
> chemist 'cos this is what they use in making up medications so I
> figured it should be pretty much the best that is available for the
> man, oops, and woman in the street.  I have never had colour changes
> using DW in the past but with this PW the colours I have got
> are...clear, yellow and 'pink-ish'.  I have been starting to add a
> quantity of previous batches of CS also and believe this could be the
> reason for the colour changes, even though I use the same method of
> production and time frame, (don't ask me why though, and I am aware of
> 'seeding' the water).  I don't usually add previous CS as a 'seed', I
> just use the water straight out of the bottle.  The ambient
> temperatures are starting to increase here due to seasonal change so
> the reason could be simply that, but somehow I doubt it.  Every other
> time I have made CS in the past it has always been clear, hovering
> around the 10-15ppm, (give and take depending on what ppm I decide I
> want at the time), so have decided to stick with Distilled, I
> definitely won't consider Demineralised.
>  
> These results are the reason for my question about colour changes.
>  
> Enn...dem...err...preferably under 1000 words?  
>  
> Just simple colour changes will suffice.  A 'concensus of opinion'
> regarding the ppm of each colour would also be helpful, so I can do a
> comparison with my meter tested results.  If your ppm results is with
> the use of the Com 100 TDS/EC/TEMP meter or Hanna TDS 1 'ppm...?'
> meter, perhaps you could include that also so I know what meter to
> use, (I have both), OH, and I will need to know what setting the Comm
> meter is set on.  I also know about the use of meters in testing 'ppm'
> when they are basically only conductivity meters but if I use the same
> setting as you then I will be far better able to make my comparisons.
> Information I have states the Com 100 meter should be set to either
> EC/KCl or Nacl for colloidal silver.  Don't bother with water
> temperature as I haven't checked my water temperatures before/or
> during production anyway, I'll just 'read between the lines' so to
> speak, it's only to give me a fairly good idea that's all, to narrow
> down the 'guesswork' without laboratory testing, (cash and the lack
> thereof).
>  
> You see, I know that there are several of you here that have been
> 'into' CS for quite some time so thought I would ask you 'straight
> up'.  This way I will know 'straight from the horses mouth' so to
> speak, and it can be considered more 'trusted and reliable'.
>  
> Neville.


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Re: CS>Meso vs. Ionic silver?

[Malcolm]

Hi Kathryn,

Are you referring to the process as it (ionic silver solution) is made
electrically, or in general?  Ionic silver is soluble in water, fairly
slightly, like 20 ppm or more or less, depending.  It's not a compound
that dissolves ionically like salt.  But that brings up the other side
of the thing; some substances dissolve in water  non-ionically; would
the addition of sugar or ether, or ??? result in precipitation of the
"ionic" silver out of solution or perhaps as hydroxide, or some strange
organic silver salt??
Does a form of silver exist as ionic other than as it is formed in
water?

Confusion reigns;  Malcolm 

On Thu, 2008-09-18 at 12:28 -0500, Clayton Family wrote:
> A colloid is not soluble, it is a suspension.  
snippity snip
> The ionic silver is only in the water because there is nothing else in 
> the water. If there was anything else in the water, it would combine 
> with it. So, ionic silver is not really water soluble either, not in 
> the way salt is water soluble.  Ah the beauties of definitions.
> 
> Kathryn
> 
> On Sep 18, 2008, at 11:26 AM, gmetrop...@aol.com wrote:
> 
> > This ino was printed in a post of a man treating his family after 
> > antibiotics for lyme. He  has been helped with Mesosilver and states 
> > the reason ionic is not as good. I thought consensus was that it was 
> > the ionic part that is most beneficial. Here's whaat the article 
> > staed:
> >  Ionic silver is not the same as metallic silver nanoparticles . For 
> > example, metallic silver is not water soluble (does not dissolve in 
> > water) but ionic silver is water soluble (it does dissolve in water).



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Re: CS>Messy vs. Ionic silver?

[Malcolm]

On Fri, 2008-09-19 at 07:55 -0500, Clayton Family wrote:
> I am speaking in general terms. Salts dissolve in water, along with 
> many other things. Soluble in water means that the bonds holding the 
> compound together break when water is introduced, like salts, or sugar. 
> If you take some dirt, it will go into the water, but will probably not 
> dissolve much, and the wet dirt will settle to the bottom. Some of the 
> dirt might be fine enough, of a small enough particle size to be 
> suspended in water. Some of that will be clay sized, and will also 
> settle to the bottom after some time, a tiny percentage might be finer 
> still, and will not settle out- it will stay suspended in water, and 
> this would be the colloid fraction. A colloid is a size of particle.

Yes, I know something about colloids, and have used the settling test to
determine the clay content of my garden soil; boots gain ten pounds
easy, in winter.  Brownian motion has fascinated me since watching my
grandmother's cigarette smoke and the dust Sunday mornings in the
sunbeams.  She told me about the drunkard's walk too. 
>  
> 
> All this will occur in water, tap water, that normally has other stuff 
> dissolved in the water as well.
> 
> Now with getting silver to be ionically in solution requires that the 
> water be very pure and have nothing else in it, or else the silver will 
> react with whatever is there, and then you would have silver compounds. 
> So it is not really soluble in water, it is an artificial solution made 
> with specific parameters.

I've actually gotten some dissolution of ionic silver, I think, into
R.O. + de-ionized water, off the 'trodes with no electric current; not
much, but a higher reading than I get from simply leaving the water in
the jar exposed to the air.  Perhaps the wire surface from previous
electrolysis was pitted on a fine enough scale to encourage some
dissolute ionic misbehavior. . . . .
> 
> There are silver salts, like silver nitrate, which will dissolve in 
> water, but that is not what we are after. That is caustic and 
> poisonous. Silver by itself is pretty safe and non-toxic. Silver in 
> compound form is not either, most of the time. It has become something 
> entirely different, and has new properties specific to whichever 
> compound has been made.

Well, back to my original query which I didn't make clear: There are
both ionic and co-valent I think they are called solutions, ionic like
the classic example of table salt or covalent like sugar - or to the
limited degree it does so, ether; Alcohols, I dunno from.

So my question was: having a solution of ionic silver already in hand -
in jar - were you saying that any addition to the solution, whether an
ionic or covalent compound, or an element, would cause the silver ions
to regain neutral charge, precipitate out, be driven to hydroxide or
whatever, and if that were the case, what would be their likely fate?

OTOH, were you saying that in order to Make CS you need pure water, in
which case I misunderstood your drift when you said, "The ionic silver
is only in the water because there is nothing else in the water.  ..." 
> 
> I hope this has helped some   Kathryn

At least it brought up some new questions,  
Thanks,  Malcolm
> 
> On Sep 18, 2008, at 11:02 PM, Malcolm wrote:
> 
> > Hi Kathryn,
> >
> > Are you referring to the process as it (ionic silver solution) is made
> > electrically, or in general?  Ionic silver is soluble in water, fairly
> > slightly, like 20 ppm or more or less, depending.  It's not a compound
> > that dissolves ionically like salt.  But that brings up the other side
> > of the thing; some substances dissolve in water  non-ionically; would
> > the addition of sugar or ether, or ??? result in precipitation of the
> > "ionic" silver out of solution or perhaps as hydroxide, or some strange
> > organic silver salt??
> > Does a form of silver exist as ionic other than as it is formed in
> > water?
> >
> > Confusion reigns;  Malcolm
> >
> > On Thu, 2008-09-18 at 12:28 -0500, Clayton Family wrote:
> >> A colloid is not soluble, it is a suspension.
> > snippity snip
> >> The ionic silver is only in the water because there is nothing else in
> >> the water. If there was anything else in the water, it would combine
> >> with it. So, ionic silver is not really water soluble either, not in
> >> the way salt is water soluble.  Ah the beauties of definitions.
> >>
> >> Kathryn
> 
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Re: CS>Messy vs. Ionic silver?

[Malcolm]

Hi Kathryn,
"well, wouldn't it?"  Hey, I was asking you!Apparently the ionic
nature of water itself, adding H2O2, or some organic hydrocarbons do not
cause the ionic silver to disappear. But I was wondering, since there
has been discussion of various gels, silver proteins, silver nylon
bandages, and so on on the list, if you were suggesting something along
these lines could be formed: some other useful [ionic?] silver compound.
- - - 

  "Silver by itself is pretty safe and non-toxic. Silver in 
   compound form is not either, most of the time. It has
   become something entirely different, and has new properties 
   specific to whichever compound has been made."

- - - -  Guess not.  Take care, Malcolm





On Fri, 2008-09-19 at 13:36 -0500, Clayton Family wrote:
> okey dokey then,
> 
> On Sep 19, 2008, at 10:30 AM, Malcolm wrote:
> 
> > So my question was: having a solution of ionic silver already in hand -
> > in jar - were you saying that any addition to the solution, whether an
> > ionic or covalent compound, or an element, would cause the silver ions
> > to regain neutral charge, precipitate out, be driven to hydroxide or
> > whatever, and if that were the case, what would be their likely fate?
> 
> well, wouldn't it? An ion by definition is just waiting for something 
> to bond to, so wouldn't it do just that in the presence of anything at 
> all? Well, anything in solution anyway. And whatever it is is not what 
> we are after in any case.
> 
> >
> > OTOH, were you saying that in order to Make CS you need pure water, in
> > which case I misunderstood your drift when you said, "The ionic silver
> > is only in the water because there is nothing else in the water.  ..."
> 
> No, if there is anything else in the water you won't end up with ionic 
> silver, you will end up with who knows what.
> 
> Here in this list they like to use EIS, or electrically isolated 
> silver, so I will use that now for clarity; in order to make EIS one 
> needs pure water, or one will end up with God only knows what witches 
> brew of silver etc compounds that might work anyway, and might be okay 
> in small quantities or might just turn one blue.
> 
> More fun, I am thinking,
> 
> Kathryn
> 
> >>
> >> I hope this has helped some   Kathryn
> >
> > At least it brought up some new questions,
> > Thanks,  Malcolm
> >>
> >> On Sep 18, 2008, at 11:02 PM, Malcolm wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi Kathryn,
> 
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CS>mushrooms

[Malcolm]

Hi All,
Mushrooms are not so easily identifiable that you can go by a rule of
thumb such as color, shape, locale, season, etc.  And although there are
not a lot of deadly species relatively, it is a pretty miserable way to
die if you make the ultimate wrong guess.
  
There are Mycology - mushroom - clubs almost everywhere there are
mushrooms, and the members will be more than happy to help you I.D.
anything you may find.  Meetings and open houses are pretty interesting
and usually have displays, books, guides, scheduled forays (the
preferred term for a wild mushroom hunt for some strange reason is
'foray', but some folks claim mushroom hunters are a little strange
themselves; quien sabe??)

The kingdom of fungi is more closely related to us than bacteria or
viruses, one of the reasons why there are fewer effective anti-fungal
meds which we can tolerate; they're often about as hard on us as they
are on the  fungi.  But on the other hand, some of the most promising
anti-cancer agents are being discovered in fungi.  

Anyone interested in their essential role in preserving our planet's
green mantle will get  a lot from Paul Stamets' book; Mycoremediation.

OK, now to tie it in to silver - a rather loose thread, but who's
tugging?  There's an old and FALSE folk-legend that you can tell if a
mushroom is poisonous, or even neutralize the poison, by cooking it with
a silver coin in the pot; the coin will blacken if the 'shroom is poison
- NOT so - or remain shiny if it is ok - also NOT so.  'Course, here in
the U.S. we have to send off for our silver coins now but that's another
digression. . . . 

So, take advantage of those who have gone before you (and lived to tell
it) and get advice from an experienced group or person.

And take care, Malcolm



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Re: CS>CS\ Collodial Silver Vs Mushrooms

[Malcolm]

Well, it's even worse than that. The amanita fruiting bodies are
generally large handsome clean-looking specimens with white gills.
the amanitatoxins, aka amatoxins,  (three major kinds usually present
together,) will often produce violent bloody diarrhea and vomiting
within 6 to 24 hours, lasting a day or so,followed by a period of
apparent recovery, which is then followed by a "relapse" and a 50%
mortality.
  
Unfortunately, people are often discharged from hospital during this
false recovery, only to die at home a few days later.  The primary
effects are on the liver and kidneys and occur within that first 6 to 24
hour period whilst the toxins are fully absorbed.  The moral to that is:
if you think someone has eaten a poison mushroom, don't wait around to
see if they'll be ok or not, get them to throw up, get to the emergency
room ASAP to get as much out of the system as possible before it is
absorbed and it's too late.  

Secondary effects involve everything else from the blood to the nerve
cells including the brain, by inhibiting RNA synthesis in the cells. One
to two ounces of the fresh fruiting body is, on average, enough to do
you in.  The poison content varies not only from variety to variety, but
from fruiting body to fruiting body.  One not-well-known therapy for
amanita poisoning is Thioctic Acid, injected; no guarantees.

  The other deadly class of mycotoxins is the Gryomitrins, which are
produced in rather small unappealing mushrooms unlikely to attract much
interest.  The difference between a completely inconsequential 'dose' of
gyromitrin and a deadly one is extremely small.  Gyromitrin hydrolyzes
into MMH, monomethylhydrazine, rocket fuel, an extremely carcinogenic
compound. Weird, huh?  Not a good way to launch into outer space.

Take care, Malcolm

On Tue, 2008-09-23 at 11:26 -0400, Marshall Dudley wrote:
> Check out the History channel, Modern Marvels: fungus. I watched it a 
> day or two ago, not sure if it will be running again. They have a pretty 
> good segment on mushrooms on that.  Interestingly if you eat a poisonous 
> mushroom, and get sick a few hours later you will probably be ok. If you 
> get sick 1 to 2 weeks later, you will most likely die.
> 
> Marshall
> 
> Smitty wrote:
> > (Google)
> > I get very few but beautiful looking mushrooms growing
> > in our backyard. I do love raw, sliced mushroom on a salad
> > that I buy fresh from a supermarket.
> > So I ask.the mushrooms that grown in our backyard .
> > are they safe to eat..?
> > ~~
> > I remember many years ago reading a very sad story
> > whereas almost an entire Asian-American family out in
> > California died from eating mushrooms picked fresh from their backyard.
> > ~~
> > Check mushroom pictures on Google and try and compare.
> > But people can and do get SICK from eating those "yard mushrooms".
> > Beware.
> > __
> > Eating mushrooms that have been collected outdoors
> > can be a risky proposition.  Many poisonous mushrooms look
> > and taste like ones that are safe to eat, and there is no
> > simple way to differentiate between the two.
> > Heating or cooking does not necessarily destroy the toxic
> > parts of the mushroom.
> >
> > Smitty
> >
> >   
> >> Hey G!   Your're right.  Thanks, I now have a name for them.  They are
> >> 
> >  Ugly,
> >   
> >> Ugly Ugly.  The neighbor had been trying to eliminate them for more  then
> >> 
> >  a
> >   
> >> year...  nothing worked!  Then I had the solution; Colodial Silver.  But
> >> 
> >  it
> >   
> >> did not work.  Not sure if I should have just poured it on them instead of
> >> adding to the Revive.  Hope someone on here has an answer.
> >> connie
> >> 
> >
> >
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CS>Re: more unwelcome email: Hey Mike!

[Malcolm]

Hi, Have to agree with Linda's second point.  TJ usually does post to
the SO list, but even these are useless to me since I have a slow
connection an don't want to be bothered with politically motivated rants
or videos anyway.  If TJ had some good taglines like Chuck, now that
might be a different matter, but "God Guns and Gold ..." sucks big-time!

On Wed, 2008-09-24 at 06:57 -0700, Linda Ellis wrote:
> 
> Well, I was going to stay out of this and do what I've been doing to
> TJ's mail forever - deleting unread.  I have several objections to
> these posts.
>  
> FIRST, TJ is well aware that there is an off-topic list for topics
> unrelated to CS
>  
> SECOND, as usual, TJ simply posts a link with absolutely no commentary
> or original thought.  I long ago decided that I personally felt this
> was arrogant of him, to assume his judgment about the value of the
> linked material should be accepted unquestioningly, and others
> should therefore take the time to access the link before knowing if
> the subject is remotely interesting to them.  I may miss some stuff
> I'd like to know about, but if TJ can't take the time to write a few
> lines about what he found valuable in the linked material, I don't
> have the time to follow him around.  I'll just have to make do with my
> own research on subjects of interest.
>  
> THIRD, I, too, have been uncomfortable with other people's email
> addresses showing up in the address lines of his posts.  Is TJ
> likewise sending my email address out to people I don't know, and
> wouldn't want to have contact with?  Is this, perhaps, one of the
> reasons I've been seeing more and more spam?
>  
> To be honest, I've been thinking lately about removing myself from the
> off-topic list, anyway.  It seems it has turned into nothing more than
> a constant barrage of people (particularly TJ) posting links, without
> any substantive interchange between list members on the topics
> raised.  I much preferred earlier discussions about corporate welfare,
> reforming the social security system, global warming, etc., when
> people actually posted their own original thinking, or at least made
> the effort to explain why linked material might be interesting in view
> of the topic at hand.  
>  
> This topic coming up here prompts me to consider other possible groups
> where the discussion is more stimulating and interactive, though I
> would dearly miss Ode Coyote, Mike, and a few others
>  
> Linda 
> The Truly Educated Never Graduate
> 
> 
> 
> - Original Message 
> From: Wayne Fugitt 
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 8:37:32 AM
> Subject: Re: more unwelcome email: RE: CS>Another 9/11?
> 
> Morning Bob,
> 
> >> At 08:14 AM 9/24/2008, you wrote:
> 
>   You are worrying too much.
> 
>   There are many, many ways to handle that.  Do I have to tell you?
> 
>   And  Your bogus messages are more offensive than his.
> 
>   You are wasting more bandwidth.
> 
>   Maybe he did not do it, maybe I did.
> 
>   Any half smart person can do such things.
> 
>   Once me and another guy, hijacked the List owners information,
>   and sent messages to the list, which appeared to come from the list
> owner.
> 
>   Now,  what else do you want to know.
> 
>   "Don't Tread on me" !
> 
>   Wayne
> 
> =
>   
> 
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RE: CS>CS\ Collodial Silver Vs Mushrooms

[Malcolm]

Hey, not always.  Many of the boletes, mushrooms with tubes where others
have gills, will bruise blue, purple, even red, and some of them can
give you a whopper of a tummyache and NO fun atall!!

Mushroomhead.

On Fri, 2008-10-03 at 11:19 -0500, Dan Nave wrote:
> And if it turns purple when bruised, it's a magic mushroom...
> 
> Dan 
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Neville [mailto:nevillem...@bigpond.com] 
> > Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 9:56 PM
> > To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> > Subject: Re: CS>CS\ Collodial Silver Vs Mushrooms
> > 
> > Hi there,
> > 
> > I don't know if mushrooms are similar where you are compared 
> > to here but my rule of thumb is:..if it's underside is pink, 
> > (when young), or brown-ish to 
> > brown, (gets darker as they mature)...it's a mushroom.   If 
> > it feels or 
> > looks 'slimy' and is 'domed' in shape or any other 'colour' 
> > or mushroom shape then I assume it to be a toadstool or 
> > something unedible.  This is what I go by without the 
> > botanical knowledge of the many and varied types which are out there.
> > 
> > Don't know if this is any good to you?
> > 
> > Neville.
> > 
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Smitty" 
> > To: 
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 11:02 AM
> > Subject: Re: CS>CS\ Collodial Silver Vs Mushrooms
> > 
> > 
> > > (Google)
> > > I get very few but beautiful looking mushrooms growing
> > > in our backyard. I do love raw, sliced mushroom on a salad
> > > that I buy fresh from a supermarket.
> > > So I ask.the mushrooms that grown in our backyard .
> > > are they safe to eat..?
> > > ~~
> > > I remember many years ago reading a very sad story
> > > whereas almost an entire Asian-American family out in
> > > California died from eating mushrooms picked fresh from 
> > their backyard.
> > > ~~
> > > Check mushroom pictures on Google and try and compare.
> > > But people can and do get SICK from eating those "yard mushrooms".
> > > Beware.
> > > __
> > > Eating mushrooms that have been collected outdoors
> > > can be a risky proposition.  Many poisonous mushrooms look
> > > and taste like ones that are safe to eat, and there is no
> > > simple way to differentiate between the two.
> > > Heating or cooking does not necessarily destroy the toxic
> > > parts of the mushroom.
> > >
> > > Smitty
> > >
> > >> Hey G!   Your're right.  Thanks, I now have a name for 
> > them.  They are 
> > >> Ugly,
> > >> Ugly Ugly.  The neighbor had been trying to eliminate them 
> > for more  then 
> > >> a
> > >> year...  nothing worked!  Then I had the solution; 
> > Colodial Silver.  But 
> > >> it
> > >> did not work.  Not sure if I should have just poured it on 
> > them instead 
> > >> of
> > >> adding to the Revive.  Hope someone on here has an answer.
> > >> connie
> > >
> > >
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RE: CS>CS\ Collodial Silver Vs Mushrooms

[Malcolm]

Hey Dan, Very nice, Thanks!  Malcolm

On Fri, 2008-10-03 at 12:18 -0500, Dan Nave wrote:
> http://www.rxlist.com/cgi/alt/milkthistle_faq.htm
>  Milk Thistle (Silybum marianum) 
> What does Milk Thistle do?
> 
> Herb- Milk Thistle Herb has been used medicinally by some people for
> functional disorders of the liver and gallbladder. . It has been
> considered especially helpful in cases jaundice, colitis, pleurisy, and
> diseases of the spleen. Fruit- Milk Thistle Fruit has been used by some
> for the treatment of dyspeptic symptoms, loss of appetite, liver and
> gall bladder complaints including inflammation of the gall bladder duct,
> toxic liver disease and hepatic cirrhosis. It has been used successfully
> as an antidote to Death-Cap mushroom poisoning (mushroom toxins
> a-amantin and phalloidin). It has been shown to protect the b.d. from
> liver damage caused by overdose from acetaminophen, butyrophenones,
> phenothiazines, halothane, Dilantin or ethanol. It may reduce outbreaks
> of Psoriasis due to liver disease. Milk Thistle herb and fruit can be
> taken in capsules, pills, infusions, or tinctures.
> 
> http://www.diagnose-me.com/treat/T13224.html
> 
> Most recently researchers found that the antioxidant activity of a milk
> thistle seed extract reduced the liver damage typically seen in patients
> who take prescription anti-psychotic drugs for extended periods and
> particularly in death cap mushroom poisoning. Silymarin has been shown
> to prevent and even reverse the toxic affect of mushroom (Amanita
> phalloides) poisoning, which can cause death within 24 hours. It is able
> to do this by specifically blocking the receptor for these toxins.
> 
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Malcolm [mailto:s...@asis.com] 
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 12:37 PM
> > To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> > Subject: Re: CS>CS\ Collodial Silver Vs Mushrooms
> > 
> > Well, it's even worse than that. The amanita fruiting bodies 
> > are generally large handsome clean-looking specimens with white gills.
> > the amanitatoxins, aka amatoxins,  (three major kinds usually present
> > together,) will often produce violent bloody diarrhea and 
> > vomiting within 6 to 24 hours, lasting a day or so,followed 
> > by a period of apparent recovery, which is then followed by a 
> > "relapse" and a 50% mortality.
> >   
> > Unfortunately, people are often discharged from hospital 
> > during this false recovery, only to die at home a few days 
> > later.  The primary effects are on the liver and kidneys and 
> > occur within that first 6 to 24 hour period whilst the toxins 
> > are fully absorbed.  The moral to that is:
> > if you think someone has eaten a poison mushroom, don't wait 
> > around to see if they'll be ok or not, get them to throw up, 
> > get to the emergency room ASAP to get as much out of the 
> > system as possible before it is absorbed and it's too late.  
> > 
> > Secondary effects involve everything else from the blood to 
> > the nerve cells including the brain, by inhibiting RNA 
> > synthesis in the cells. One to two ounces of the fresh 
> > fruiting body is, on average, enough to do you in.  The 
> > poison content varies not only from variety to variety, but 
> > from fruiting body to fruiting body.  One not-well-known 
> > therapy for amanita poisoning is Thioctic Acid, injected; no 
> > guarantees.
> > 
> >   The other deadly class of mycotoxins is the Gryomitrins, 
> > which are produced in rather small unappealing mushrooms 
> > unlikely to attract much interest.  The difference between a 
> > completely inconsequential 'dose' of gyromitrin and a deadly 
> > one is extremely small.  Gyromitrin hydrolyzes into MMH, 
> > monomethylhydrazine, rocket fuel, an extremely carcinogenic 
> > compound. Weird, huh?  Not a good way to launch into outer space.
> > 
> > Take care, Malcolm
> > 
> > On Tue, 2008-09-23 at 11:26 -0400, Marshall Dudley wrote:
> > > Check out the History channel, Modern Marvels: fungus. I 
> > watched it a 
> > > day or two ago, not sure if it will be running again. They have a 
> > > pretty good segment on mushrooms on that.  Interestingly if 
> > you eat a 
> > > poisonous mushroom, and get sick a few hours later you will 
> > probably 
> > > be ok. If you get sick 1 to 2 weeks later, you will most likely die.
> > > 
> > > Marshall
> > > 
> > > Smitty wrote:
> > > > (Google)
> > > > I get very few but beautiful looking mushrooms growing in our 
> > >

Re: CS>staph in dogs

[Malcolm]

Hi Kathryn

You might try Vitamin D, skin problems in dogs are sometimes related to
D deficiencies.  Dunno if you should nip the capsule and dribble it on,
or feed it to her direct.  My limited experience has been that it helps
internally but it could be like vit. E and useful externally as well;
prob'ly can't do any harm.  "Pirate" Indeed!

Take care,  Malcolm


On Thu, 2008-10-16 at 11:05 -0500, Clayton Family wrote:
> Hadn't thought of that. I did give her a soda bath yesterday, had to. I 
> had been out of town, and she would not let anyone else clean her 
> belly, so the fur around it was caked, it took  3 soakings to get it 
> off. She also seems more lucid since I bathed her- the stuff coming out 
> of her is toxic in some degree, I would guess.
> 
> She was a one eyed doggie this morning- her eye was sealed shut with 
> gunk, but I soaked it off and she is two eyed once again. Pirate pup, 
> she is, and very patient.
> 
> Guess I better get started making massive amounts of cs- Thanks, Ode.
> 
> kathryn
> 
> On Oct 16, 2008, at 7:52 AM, Ode Coyote wrote:
> 
> >
> >
> >   Direct application works best.
> >  Soak a pup.
> >
> > ode
> >
> >


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Re: CS>[List Owner] Standards of proof...

[Malcolm]

Well and good!  
Mike Monet was an interesting and knowledgeable electrical engineer,
with an enquiring mind and good math skills, was sometimes upset when
people didn't see it his way (the ONLY way).  You are pushing for the
opposite, in that you recognize humans, and the conditions in/by which
they try to find things out, vary widely.

OTOH, The double-blind cross-controlled experimental study as mandated
by the FDA and loved by big pharma is just Marvy, except it assumes
we're all just the same, or should be if we know what's good for us.  At
the sledgehammer level, sure.  Most of their meds are in the 5 to 500 mg
level.  Compared to CS at 10 to 20 ppm that is a sledgehammer for sure.
Another flaw in their protocols is that they assume testing a thousand
people for one year equals testing 100 people for ten years; taint so
M'Gee.  One of the virtues of the so-called anecdotal method, besides it
makes for good stories, is that the evidence - oh, sorry, experience -
is collected over much time and many different situations; it's 'small
time' and we can hassle it out ourselves.  We don't have the deus ex
authoritas of political or scientific regulation stifling our chance to
find out for ourselves what works and how it best works for us. Each. 

Take care, avoid arcing!  Malcolm

On Mon, 2008-10-20 at 19:36 -0400, indi wrote:
> Thanks. I imagine it'd be hard to ingest much of that without knowing
> something wasn't quite right. Anyway, I am careful to avoid arcing.
> 
> BTW, I am a woman named Indulekha Sharpe, not some guy named Mike Monet.
> 
> Cheers,
> indi
> 

> > 
> > Chuck
> > Pound for pound, the amoeba is the most vicious animal on earth

RESISTANCE IS FUTILE!

> 



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Re: CS>[List Owner] Standards of proof...

[Malcolm]

Hi Indi,
I think we're pretty much on the same page; I'd argue that "we" are
indeed conducting that retrospective study, problem is some of us get a
bit single-blind in the process.  Preaching to the choir. . . . .??

Further, "Power corrupts.  Absolute power corrupts absolutely." There
b'God is an axiom that's stood the test of time.  However that is not
the same as claiming that every person - or even most within the FDA, or
FTC, or other feckless federal alphabetical monster - is corrupt.

Hardly moot; ever heard of the "Codex Alimentarius"??  It's probably
easier to declare silver a strategic material than a rose hip or orange
juice   Also the case is both corruption AND ignorance;  I think
someone on this list once posted this quote from a scientific
investigator-innovator:

"First they ignore you.
Then they laugh at you.
Then they attack you.
Then they say they already knew it all along." 

"... raid our homes ...?"???  Wouldn't be the first time.

Take care, Malcolm

On Tue, 2008-10-21 at 10:28 -0400, indi wrote:
> On Mon, 20 Oct 2008 21:49:17 -0700
> Malcolm  wrote:
> 
> > Well and good!  
> >  We
> > don't have the deus ex authoritas of political or scientific
> > regulation stifling our chance to find out for ourselves what works
> > and how it best works for us. Each. 

Yet.

> Oh, there's plenty wrong with the FDA's requirements, no
> doubt about it. But the cause is corruption, not ignorance. The 
> double blind cross-controlled study method is definitely a very good way
> to acquire data, if it is done honestly and without employing
> ridiculous loopholes (as you pointed out, 100 people x 10 years does
> not equal 1000 people x 1 year).
> 
> At this point, it would be great if there were a study following users
> of CS, since there are so many of us. It wouldn't be terribly hard to
> do, just define some basic control parameters, find appropriate
> subjects and medically monitor them. But I suppose Big Pharma is afraid
> of those results. :) 
> 
> As for fear of regulation, that is really a moot point. What are "they"
> going to do, raid our homes and confiscate our generators? Make silver
> a "controlled substance"? That'd be awfully hard to do...
> 
> indi
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: CS>Measuring or Guessing

[Malcolm]

Hey, ya gotta keep up with this stuff!  Progress, doncha know!?  There
are now many more FDA approved meds for psychological problems,
particularly for the young, whose complaints are ignorable and whose
independence is compromised at best.  History; "Prozac Nation".
Ritalin; speed for subteens.

On Tue, 2008-10-21 at 15:44 -0400, indi wrote:
> On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 13:14:48 -0500
> Clayton Family  wrote:
> 

> > I guess they will tell us to  click our heels together three times
> > and chant "There's no place like home"  . They already tell people
> > their illnesses are all psychological with no basis in physical
> > problem, 
> 
> I have never heard *that* from the FDA or the WHO. In fact, wouldn't
> that idea be anathema to Big Pharma? I think I see the opposite:
> medications for depression, "jimmy legs", dry eyes, "E.D.", etc, etc,
> etc... Their idea appears to be that no-one can get control of their
> quality of life without pharmaceuticals, and that there's a
> pharmaceutical answer for everything. If it was all just psychological, 
> then why push the meds?
> 
> indi
> 
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Re: CS>Measuring or Guessing

[Malcolm]

Remember Yossarian!

On Tue, 2008-10-21 at 17:39 -0400, Faith Gagne wrote:
> I do not agree with this at all.  Smacks of paranoia to me.  Faith G.
> 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Marlene Hanson" 
> To: 
> Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 2:55 PM
> Subject: Re: CS>Measuring or Guessing
> 
> 
> I agree with Kathryn, It might become  illegal to be well without any 
> supervision of the government regulated Pharma Companies, or their 
> physicians. Seriously   I appreciate the freedom we still have to share our 
> experiences via the internet. I hope this freedom will not become a 
> regulated system. M
>   - Original Mess age - 
>   From: Clayton Family

>   > Seriously, it may make a vast difference if one cares about the
>   > well-being of people in general. Like my Mother, for whom "the doctor
>   > said so" is right up there with "it's in the bible". Or my best friend,
>   > dead now because the doctors were "the authority", and I with my silver
>   > was "crazy" and "probably experiencing a placebo effect".
>   >
>   > Yes, I'd like to see a community of caring people who are not
>   > anti-intellectuals attempt to nail down enough credible,
>   > scientifically-oriented evidence to make a compelling case that could
>   > then be taken seriously enough to prompt some federal grant for
>   > further investigation which might yield some compelling scientific
>   > facts.
> 
>   There has been quite a bit of research by various universities. A
>   "compelling case" that could be taken seriously by whom? is the
>   question. There are those who have a vested interest in promoting their
>   own products to the exclusion of all others, and they are well funded
>   and have quite a bit of political power. There has been a case made for
>   ongoing corruption in various federal agencies, several of which would
>   not withstand much scientific scrutiny.  It all seems to do with money,
>   and who is going to be making a bundle off of what product, and through
>   supression of competitor's products.  This world is not much fun for us
>   pollyanna types.
> 
>   Best Wishes,   Kathryn
> 
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Re: CS>Colloidal Copper

[Malcolm]

Hi, 
When I worked as a machinist's apprentice everyone in the shop knew that
getting cut by a copper chip would make a wound that was harder to heal
than similar wounds from other metals like stainless or iron, though
stainless was also suspect.  I also got to find this out for myself.
Take care,  Malcolm

On Thu, 2008-10-23 at 05:46 -0400, Ode Coyote wrote:
> 
>You can make C Copper with any DC CS generator with an output over 
> something like 30 volts.
>   Regular Romex house wiring is by industry standards pure enough to use as 
> electrodes.
> It doesn't gain conductivity over around 3 uS, so, in distilled water, the 
> process is very slow and meters are completely useless.
>   it will make a TE and a suspended black webby substance if not stirred 
> that later vanishes. [ unstable Copper Hydroxide? ]
> 
> "Alternatively, copper hydroxide is readily made by 
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrolysis_of_water>electrolysis of water "
> "Moist samples of copper(II) hydroxide slowly turn black due to the 
> formation of <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copper%28II%29_oxide>copper(II) 
> oxide. "
> 
>   Has a shelf life of about 3 weeks before it goes to green grey copper 
> oxides and the copper settles out.
> 
>   Copper is a very common element that's difficult to avoid.
>   The *normal*  body regulates it quite well and it  shares elimination 
> mechanisms with silver which include Selenium.
> If the levels get too high, it can be considered a neurotoxin.
> 
>   For some unknown [by me] reason, if you leave a small piece of shiny 
> copper in a batch of CS, it will draw every bit of silver out of the water 
> and drop in on the bottom of the container as a combination of fuzzy black 
> stuff and metallic silver within a few days..colloidal content first, then 
> the ionic content.
>   It doesn't appear to take part in "chemical" reactions when it does that, 
> nor does it appear to be a true plating process.
>   Probably something about a difference in electro-potential.
> 
>   Copper might play a role in what silver does in vivo.
> 
>   Copper kills germs like silver does, but is more chemically active and, 
> unlike silver, plays a role as a micro nutrient.
> 
> Ode
> 
> 
> At 06:14 PM 10/21/2008 -0500, you wrote:
> >
> >Has anyone have experience with colloidal copper? It has interested me
> >but I have read that it is easy to take too much and is toxic if you do.
> >And that the important issue is copper/zinc balance:
> >
> >http://www.drkaslow.com/html/zinc-copper_imbalances.html
> >
> >However copper is valuable as an anti-inflammatory and anti-viral. The
> >following article recommends using copper salicylate or copper ascorbate
> >instead of colloidal copper.
> >
> >http://www.health-science-spirit.com/copper.html
> >
> >They are both easy to make and are supposedly much less toxic than
> >colloidal copper. The article also recommends using zinc in the form of
> >the Schweitzer Formula. Also relatively easy to make.
> >
> >Has anyone used any of these compounds?
> >
> >Thanks,
> > Steve N
> >
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Re: CS>Cruelty, No Definition

[Malcolm]

How 'bout .303? 

On Thu, 2008-10-23 at 07:08 -0400, Ode Coyote wrote:
> >  Off topic for sure
> 
>   I used to train fish into a corral made of stones by washing my dishes 
> and pots with sand.
>   All I had to do to get a fish is scrape a pot with a fork and take my 
> pick with a frog gig.
>   I caught a big Catfish bare handed by the tail once.  It drug me around 
> till it wore ME out.
> It won that one.
>   Used fish traps extensively, "back in the day"..usually got three fish in 
> one descending in size to a blue gill panfish.
> One day I was hungry enough to trade a 30 cent .306 Enfield round for a big 
> ole trout and consider it a good deal. [ That was a whole days "pay" ]
>   My Grand Dad used to dynamite the lake for Fridays fish fry with half a 
> stick on a 2x4.
>   It didn't kill most of them and the non keepers would wake up in a few 
> minutes.
> 
>   Game warden?  Sometimes you wonder what they taste like. [Never saw one 
> way back there, or anyone else, sometimes for several months]
> Most people are very noisy.
> 
>   I still swear that woodchucks are made by Michelin...tenderness gauged by 
> tread wear rating scales.
> 
> Ode
> 
> 
> 
> >Anyone know other ways to get food ?
> >
> >Grow it, Steal it, Hijack it,  even buy it.
> >
> >With the economy like it is, I suspect that soon some will be killing for 
> >food.
> >
> >I know I may be wrong about some things, but not all.
> >
> >Wayne
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Re: CS>FLU

[Malcolm]

This is what has worked for me and numerous others I've gotten to try
it; snork it up 2 or 3 times per side, then do it again a couple more
times, an hour or a little less apart.  This is for respiratory flu of
course, and/or colds.
Take care,  Malcolm

On Thu, 2008-10-23 at 20:21 +0100, Dee wrote:
> Have you tried spraying CS up the nose, or nebulizing with it?  I found 
> that spraying up the nose works really well with 'flu.  dee
> 
> Faith Gagne wrote:
> > I came down with the Flu yesterday.  I took an ounce of CS an hour for 
> > about 9 hours, til I went to bed, but I got up sicker than ever this 
> > morning. I've taken about 4 ounces CS in as many hours this morning 
> > but I am not feeling much better.  Any suggestions?
> >
> > Does anyone take a probiotic (acidophilus) in addition to CS?  Faith G.
> >
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Re: CS>Measuring or Guessing- or calculating

[Malcolm]

Hi Faith,

for that you can take a form - niacinamide, often labeled as "non-flush"
niacin.  Works for me and regular niacin gives me intense skin prickles.
Take care, Malcolm


On Thu, 2008-10-23 at 21:00 -0400, Faith Gagne wrote:
> One has to be careful of the 'flush'.  Not everyone can take niacin.  Faith 
> g.



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Re: CS>Colloidal Copper

[Malcolm]

Hi Ode, As well as I can recall, there was pretty hefty inflammation,
but can't specify about pus, just don't remember.  I like Becker's work
on Ag ion healing of diabetic wounds, suspect penetration of the ions
helps prevent surface skin-over if the wound is kept covered.
Maybe there's some reaction between RBC and Cu, the horseshoe crab has
green blood cuz it's hemoglobin is more like chloroglobin; could it
be . . . . ??  Take care,  Malcolm



On Fri, 2008-10-24 at 06:19 -0400, Ode Coyote wrote:
> 
>That might have something to do with imbedded particles that won't 
> "rust" away and need to be ejected.
> If the copper is killing germs, it won't fester as well, thus inhibiting 
> ejection.
>   This is a slight danger when using CS on wounds as it can help seal a 
> deep infection in under the treated fast healing surface and/or inhibit 
> contaminant ejection.
> 
> Ode
> 
> 
> At 09:51 AM 10/23/2008 -0700, you wrote:
> >Hi,
> >When I worked as a machinist's apprentice everyone in the shop knew that
> >getting cut by a copper chip would make a wound that was harder to heal
> >than similar wounds from other metals like stainless or iron, though
> >stainless was also suspect.  I also got to find this out for myself.
> >Take care,  Malcolm
> 
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Re: CS>Cruelty, No Definition

[Malcolm]

Yup, had one.

On Fri, 2008-10-24 at 06:21 -0400, Ode Coyote wrote:
> At 09:55 AM 10/23/2008 -0700, you wrote:
> >How 'bout .303? 
> 
> 
> Prolly right, that was many many years ago and my Uncles rifle.
> 
> Ode
> 
> 
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Re: CS>Measuring or Guessing- or calculating

[Malcolm]

Hi Faith, thanks for that, but Durn! is nothing truly safe?   I do think people vary a great deal in their reactions to
this -n- that, which is why medicine and big pharma love the
sledgehammer approach  "VE haff vays to Make you happy"  ummm, . . .
take care, M.

On Fri, 2008-10-24 at 10:15 -0400, Faith Gagne wrote:
> Hi Malcolm.  I am leery of niacin for reasons other than just flushing.  I 
> would check with my doctor before taking it.  One needs a knowledgable 
> well-rounded doctor.  FYI:
> 
> Adverse Niacin Side Effects
> Some of the niacin side affects reported most especially for non-flush 
> products and high doses (higher than the threshold amount) of the vitamin 
> include gastrointestinal symptoms such as vomiting, nausea, flatulence, 
> bloating and diarrhea as well as sudden decrease in blood pressure.
> 
> 
> Other (Rare) Side Effects of Niacin
> There are isolated cases where other niacin side effects occur. These rare 
> side effects range from simple dryness and scaliness of the skin, excessive 
> pigmentation, to liver disorder, blurred vision, activation of the peptic 
> ulcer, and jaundice.



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Re: CS>Off topic but . . .

[Malcolm]

Bingo!  Notice how Toyota dropped their cold fusion research suddenly
and QUIETLY?  Didn't know there was successful research on eliminating
radioactivity, could you point to some ref.s? TNX, Malcolm 

On Fri, 2008-10-24 at 11:21 -0400, Marshall Dudley wrote:
> Methods to get rid of radioactive substances have been know for about 2 
> decades, but have been suppressed since it would eliminate the very 
> profitable nuclear disposal industry. Also, if admitted, it would prove 
> that cold fusion is real, and the oil industry does not want that 
> either.  Hopefully this will change in the next few years.
> 
> Marshall
> 
> Jonathan B. Britten wrote:
> > Apologies for going off topic, but this is so extraordinary that it 
> > deserves widespread dissemination:
> >
> > http://tinyurl.com/5od68l
> >
> >
> > If the claim is true, there may be an effective solution to the 
> > problem of nuclear waste.   Hope it's for real . . . while also hoping 
> > for major funding of solar, wind, water, and geothermal options.
> >
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Re: CS>Sinusistis Fungal Infection Help Request

[Malcolm]

Hi Kathryn,
I've used CS in a nose spritzer, i.e. a misting spray, breathing in as I
spritzed two or three times each side and down the throat as well,
though that's difficult and makes me cough.  I'll do this every 40
minutes or hour for three or four repeats at the first sign of a cold or
respiratory flu.  It does have some well, sting, but it knocks colds
flat. 

Testimonial:  
Friend who has two kids, both had colds and gorky noses-faces.  We had
to sit on them, literally hold them down on the floor and spritz them
Greatly against their will, but it worked.  Believe me; it was Not the
placebo effect! 

I don't know about chronic fungal insult, but expect that the ultrasonic
humidifier if it were just cut loose in a room would knock down a lot of
the mold spores.  I'd also consider using an electrostatic air cleaner;
just got back from visiting another friend in Portland who has one in
her house air conditioning-heating system and the difference in air
quality is very noticeable. Since most of these generate negative ions
(which tend to attach to particles in the air) just as a fringe benefit,
I'd think the synergistic effect of the two devices working together
would be significant.  But YMMV. 

The fog from the ultrasonic humidifier is extremely fine, much smaller
droplets than the spinning types, and the heater types simply boil the
water away and leave the CS in the bottom as oxide.  I've tried
breathing the mist from the ultrasonic humidifier by putting a towel
over it and my head, small additional advantage of misting the eyes as
well as the face generally - maybe that's worthwhile, but the nose
spritzer does it for me and others who've tried it, whereas ingestion
doesn't.

BTW, all the ultrasonic humidifiers I've looked at have essentially the
same circuitry and transducers - not counting the small face-mask
personal ones.  Just take a peek down the cone the vapor-fog comes up
through and you can see the shiny little disc down at the bottom.  Skip
the internal water filter block some of them sell, just leave it out.

Take care,  Malcolm




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> Ah, yes. That pesky sinus infection. I have it too, 


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RE: CS>positive silver ions and negatively charged bacteria

[Malcolm]

just to add a bit of clarity here, the stain which defines Gram positive
and negative were developed by a man named Gram, and the 'positive' and
'negative' do NOT refer to the electropotential of the bacteria, but to
the method's discoverer, Hans Christian Gram.

On Wed, 2008-10-29 at 11:40 -0500, Norton, Steve wrote:
> Relative to bacteria, from Wikipedia: 
> 
> There are two main types of bacterial cell walls, Gram positive and
> Gram negative, which are differentiated by their Gram staining
> characteristics. 
> 
> Gram positive:
> 
> Teichoic acids give the Gram positive cell wall an overall negative
> charge due to the presence of phosphodiester bonds between teichoic
> acid monomers.
> 
> Gram negative:
> 
> In addition to the peptidoglycan layer, the Gram negative cell wall
> also contains an additional outer membrane composed by phospholipids
> and lipopolysaccharides which face into the external environment. As
> the lipopolysaccharides are highly-charged, the Gram negative cell
> wall has an overall negative charge.
> 
> From what I have read, viruses have a slight negative charge at
> neutral PH.
> 
> - Steve N
> 
> 
> 
> 
> __
> From: Bethany Methven [mailto:mrs_ak_h...@yahoo.com] 
> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 12:38 AM
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Subject: CS>positive silver ions and negatively charged bacteria
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Hi, I'm new to this list.  Here in Alaska, very few people actually
> know about CS.  I am trying to learn as much as I can so that I can
> educate those around me.  I have been studying about the positive
> charge from silver ions losing an electron during the electro
> colloidal process.  Anyway, my question is -  Does anyone know if all
> bacteria, fungus, viruses, etc are negatively charged?  Some web site
> was talking about how the positive charge from the silver ions
> attracts to the negative charge of the bacteria, and then basically
> short circuits it's biological clock, making it unable to reproduce.
> If this is true, then how effective are silver particles, if they are
> negatively charged, vs. the positive charge of the ions?  I have heard
> so much confusion regarding ions vs. particles.   I"d like to hear
> some other opinions.  Thanks -  Beth
> 


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