Re: [TruthTalk] Emailing: sda.htm
- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] BTW, I am partially inclined to agree with you that all has not been fulfilled--the gold plates were first delivered to the Prophet JS on the day of the Feast of Trumpets. JS never pointed this out--not sure he even knew it--but it is true. Check it out--September 22, 1827. Marlin: I did. Curious. : ) http://www.cbcg.org/Calendar/index.html
[TruthTalk] Bush on the Constitution: 'It's just a goddamned piece of paper'
Bush on the Constitution: 'It's just a goddamned piece of paper' http://contrarianistic.blogspot.com/ http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/article_7779.shtml
Re: [TruthTalk] Re:WWCofG lives on
It seems that with very narrow exceptions, all roads lead to Rome. As the Virginia Slims cigarette commercial said to the 'liberated woman,' "You've come a long way baby." It is now time for that corporate body, which has a papal form of government, to take "Rome's Challenge" of 1893. --Marlin - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 9:12 PM Subject: [TruthTalk] Re:WWCofG lives on Years ago, when I too, was a legalist, I enjoyed listening to Herbert W Armstrong and Garner Ted. But they lost me with their emphasis on the Old LAw. Many of their arguments -- such as "against evolution" -- were actually very good. Anyway -- Carner Ted did the twist with one of the sisters and Herbert died in the mid 80"s and something very unusual happened to this fellowship. I don't know what to think about all the changes, but one very important change was the "end of the law" and life in a relationship with the Christ. You just might find this article interesting. http://www.wcg.org/lit/AboutUs/history.htm Jd
Re: [TruthTalk] Re:WWCofG lives on
I'm oooll
Re: [TruthTalk] Re:WWCofG lives on
That assessment is like seeing a piece of the cow up so close that you do not know what you are looking at. It is like saying, "I'm looking at a black mark surrounded by a white area...;" not realizing that one is looking at sometihing that is a part of some much larger beast. --Marlin - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 12:26 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Re:WWCofG lives on Do you believe Sunday Worship is the mark of the beast?Marlin halverson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: It seems that with very narrow exceptions, all roads lead to Rome. As the Virginia Slims cigarette commercial said to the 'liberated woman,' "You've come a long way baby." It is now time for that corporate body, which has a papal form of government, to take "Rome's Challenge" of 1893. --Marlin - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 9:12 PM Subject: [TruthTalk] Re:WWCofG lives on Years ago, when I too, was a legalist, I enjoyed listening to Herbert W Armstrong and Garner Ted. But they lost me with their emphasis on the Old LAw. Many of their arguments -- such as "against evolution" -- were actually very good. Anyway -- Carner Ted did the twist with one of the sisters and Herbert died in the mid 80"s and something very unusual happened to this fellowship. I don't know what to think about all the changes, but one very important change was the "end of the law" and life in a relationship with the Christ. You just might find this article interesting. http://www.wcg.org/lit/AboutUs/history.htm Jd __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [TruthTalk] Re:WWCofG lives on
Do you believe Sunday Worship is the mark of the beast? Kevin Deegan Although it, instead of Sabbath keeping, may be a symptom, it is not 'the' mark of the beast. - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 12:26 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Re:WWCofG lives on Do you believe Sunday Worship is the mark of the beast?Marlin halverson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: It seems that with very narrow exceptions, all roads lead to Rome. As the Virginia Slims cigarette commercial said to the 'liberated woman,' "You've come a long way baby." It is now time for that corporate body, which has a papal form of government, to take "Rome's Challenge" of 1893. --Marlin - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 9:12 PM Subject: [TruthTalk] Re:WWCofG lives on Years ago, when I too, was a legalist, I enjoyed listening to Herbert W Armstrong and Garner Ted. But they lost me with their emphasis on the Old LAw. Many of their arguments -- such as "against evolution" -- were actually very good. Anyway -- Carner Ted did the twist with one of the sisters and Herbert died in the mid 80"s and something very unusual happened to this fellowship. I don't know what to think about all the changes, but one very important change was the "end of the law" and life in a relationship with the Christ. You just might find this article interesting. http://www.wcg.org/lit/AboutUs/history.htm Jd __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [TruthTalk] Re:WWCofG lives on
Sunday worship in your eyes is then a symptom of what? Kevin Deegan I believe it, instead of Sabbath keeping, is a symptom of the strong delusion mentioned in 2 Thesolonians 2 and a fulfillment of Isaiah 56. - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 12:19 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Re:WWCofG lives on Sunday worship in your eyes is then a symptom of what?Marlin halverson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Do you believe Sunday Worship is the mark of the beast? Kevin Deegan Although it, instead of Sabbath keeping, may be a symptom, it is not 'the' mark of the beast. - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 12:26 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Re:WWCofG lives on Do you believe Sunday Worship is the mark of the beast?Marlin halverson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: It seems that with very narrow exceptions, all roads lead to Rome. As the Virginia Slims cigarette commercial said to the 'liberated woman,' "You've come a long way baby." It is now time for that corporate body, which has a papal form of government, to take "Rome's Challenge" of 1893. --Marlin - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 9:12 PM Subject: [TruthTalk] Re:WWCofG lives on Years ago, when I too, was a legalist, I enjoyed listening to Herbert W Armstrong and Garner Ted. But they lost me with their emphasis on the Old LAw. Many of their arguments -- such as "against evolution" -- were actually very good. Anyway -- Carner Ted did the twist with one of the sisters and Herbert died in the mid 80"s and something very unusual happened to this fellowship. I don't know what to think about all the changes, but one very important change was the "end of the law" and life in a relationship with the Christ. You just might find this article interesting. http://www.wcg.org/lit/AboutUs/history.htm Jd __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [TruthTalk] Re:WWCofG lives on
Those who love God and keep His commandments are not to let other men judge them for these wonderful blessings. - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 9:23 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Re:WWCofG lives on What then of this scripture? Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath daysMarlin halverson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Sunday worship in your eyes is then a symptom of what? Kevin Deegan I believe it, instead of Sabbath keeping, is a symptom of the strong delusion mentioned in 2 Thesolonians 2 and a fulfillment of Isaiah 56. - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 12:19 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Re:WWCofG lives on Sunday worship in your eyes is then a symptom of what?Marlin halverson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Do you believe Sunday Worship is the mark of the beast? Kevin Deegan Although it, instead of Sabbath keeping, may be a symptom, it is not 'the' mark of the beast. - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 12:26 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Re:WWCofG lives on Do you believe Sunday Worship is the mark of the beast?Marlin halverson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: It seems that with very narrow exceptions, all roads lead to Rome. As the Virginia Slims cigarette commercial said to the 'liberated woman,' "You've come a long way baby." It is now time for that corporate body, which has a papal form of government, to take "Rome's Challenge" of 1893. --Marlin - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 9:12 PM Subject: [TruthTalk] Re:WWCofG lives on Years ago, when I too, was a legalist, I enjoyed listening to Herbert W Armstrong and Garner Ted. But they lost me with their emphasis on the Old LAw. Many of their arguments -- such as "against evolution" -- were actually very good. Anyway -- Carner Ted did the twist with one of the sisters and Herbert died in the mid 80"s and something very unusual happened to this fellowship. I don't know what to think about all the changes, but one very important change was the "end of the law" and life in a relationship with the Christ. You just might find this article interesting. http://www.wcg.org/lit/AboutUs/history.htm Jd __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [TruthTalk] Re:WWCofG lives on
Try halversonfamilyfarmcom . - Original Message - From: Dave Hansen To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 12:25 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Re:WWCofG lives on DAVEH: You are never too old to have your picture posted on the TT members page! How about it, Marlinwhy don't you submit a picture to DavidM so we can see what you look like? (If that is too much trouble for you, I think I saw some when I was searching for Perry's picture that may look like you....) :-) Marlin halverson wrote: I'm oooll
Re: [TruthTalk] **Moderator comment**: JFK
http://www.911wasalie.com/phpwebsite/ - Original Message - From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 9:38 AM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] **Moderator comment**: JFK IFF one believes there was any such conspiracy re: 9/11, one needs to be immediately committed to the looney bin. Izzy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 1:52 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] **Moderator comment**: JFK Belief/trust...trust/belief...These are so interlocked. The other night I listened to a panel discussion on 911 (WTC). IFF one is able to demonstrate 'conspiracy' (complicity) on the part of government operatives or agencies then, by extension JFK has significance for discussion. For starters have a look at the 'new' extended edition of Oliver Stone's JFK (2001?).I'm in, John. - Original Message - From: "Charles Perry Locke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: June 19, 2005 20:48 Subject: [TruthTalk] **Moderator comment**: JFK John, unless you have discovered a videotaped confession to show us, I personally am not that interested. However, the TT "Discussions" page states: " If you have an interest in the Bible, religion, philosophy, or science, we encourage you to join the list and engage in the discussions." Does this topic fall into one of those general categories? If so, give it a shot. Perry >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Would any in he forum care for a brief dicsussion of the issues that are in >play with the JFK assassination ... > >JD -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
Re: [TruthTalk] **Moderator comment**: JFK
Try "majesty twelve" http://seekers.100megs6.com/FYI-2.htm - Original Message - From: "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 8:13 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] **Moderator comment**: JFK So then, Marlin.where do you 'shake out' on this? - Original Message - From: "Marlin halverson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: June 21, 2005 07:55 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] **Moderator comment**: JFK http://www.911wasalie.com/phpwebsite/ - Original Message - From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 9:38 AM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] **Moderator comment**: JFK > IFF one believes there was any such conspiracy re: 9/11, one needs to > be > immediately committed to the looney bin. Izzy > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir > Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 1:52 AM > To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org > Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] **Moderator comment**: JFK > > Belief/trust...trust/belief...These are so interlocked. The other night I > listened to a panel discussion on 911 (WTC). IFF one is able to > demonstrate > 'conspiracy' (complicity) on the part of government operatives or agencies > then, by extension JFK has significance for discussion. For starters have > a > look at the 'new' extended edition of Oliver Stone's JFK (2001?).I'm > in, > John. > > > - Original Message - > From: "Charles Perry Locke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: June 19, 2005 20:48 > Subject: [TruthTalk] **Moderator comment**: JFK > > >> John, unless you have discovered a videotaped confession to show us, I >> personally am not that interested. >> >>However, the TT "Discussions" page states: " If you have an >> interest >> in >> the Bible, religion, philosophy, or science, we encourage you to join the >> list and engage in the discussions." Does this topic fall into one of > those >> general categories? If so, give it a shot. >> >> Perry >> >> >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > >> >Would any in he forum care for a brief dicsussion of the issues that are > in >> >play with the JFK assassination ... >> > >> >JD >> >> >> -- >> "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you >> may > know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) > http://www.InnGlory.org >> >> If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have > a > friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. > > > -- > "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may > know > how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) > http://www.InnGlory.org > > If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have > a > friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. > > -- > "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may > know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) > http://www.InnGlory.org > > If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have > a > friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. > -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
Re: [TruthTalk] Blainerb back from Jackson Hole Wyoming
What is IMO? I've seen this being used, but what is it? International Maritime Organization International Mathematical Olympiad Icelandic Meteorolocical Office International Mail Order Inner Mountain Outfitters International Meteor Organization Imo's Pizza? - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2005 11:30 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Blainerb back from Jackson Hole Wyoming "...IMO, there should not be anything too hard for the average guy ..." Blainerb Hmmm, my spelling program says I just misspelled my name ?
Re: [TruthTalk] Keeping the Commandments
PMFBI Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this [is] the whole [duty] of man. ECC 12:13 Was Solomon stupid? --Marlin - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2005 8:29 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Keeping the Commandments SO you keep them Dave? All of them? If your boss gave you 10 instructions to follow every day at work, would you expect employee of the month for keeping just 8?Dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: DAVEH: Ohhh Terry.what do you want me to doopen the closet door so you can see all the skeletons I keep in there? :-) However, I am curious as to your explanation. Do you really believe the Lord does not expect you to keep the commandments? Terry Clifton wrote: Dave wrote: DAVEH: What part of the Law God gave Moses do you think was unkeepable, Terry? ==Since Paul says that if you break one law you have broken the whole law, I would say the whole law was unkeepable. If I were a Jew living under the law, I would have broken most of them. If I were under that law today I would have broken most of them. Thank God, I am not under the law.How many of them do you keep?-- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain six email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS. __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [TruthTalk] Keeping the Commandments
"...God gave him wisdom. He did not use it." Terry So did he fail to heed the conclusion of the matter? Marlin - Original Message - From: Terry Clifton To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2005 10:30 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Keeping the Commandments Marlin halverson wrote: PMFBI Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this [is] the whole [duty] of man. ECC 12:13 Was Solomon stupid? --Marlin =Soloman was most definetly stupid. He started out on good terms with God and ended up worshipping idols. God gave him wisdom. He did not use it.Terry
Re: [TruthTalk] help
http://www.dreamscapecom/morgana/leda.htm TWA 800 Investigationby Ian Williams Goddard "Traces of the explosive PETN (used in both bombs and guided missiles) were found on the debris of TWA flight 800, which crashed off the Long Island shore on July 17, 1996 killing 230 people. The crash has been classified as an accident. The finding of PETN was, however, not revealed to the public at an FBI or NTSB press conference. The only reason this most significant discovery became known to the American people was because several high-level investigators leaked the information to the New York Times. " http://www.dreamscapecom/morgana/leda.htm also: http://wwwnewsmax.com/articles/?a=1999/3/29/111323 http://www.coverups.com/twa/friendly2.htm - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 8:39 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] help Does anyone know the number of the flight that was shot down off the coast of Florida two or three years ago -- flight 108 I thought. but I cannot find any info on this flight. I must have something wrong. JD
[TruthTalk] Genetically Modified Foods
I think genetically modified foods should be clearly labeled so that I may choose not to eat them. Shortcut: http://www.thecampaign.org/kraft/ Adding rat genes to lettuce, or swine genes to tomatoes makes them "unclean." http://www.thecampaign.org/newsupdates/july01x.htm --Marlin
Re: [TruthTalk] from WND.com
Texas Pastor Electrocuted During BaptismBy ANGELA K. BROWNThe Associated Press WACO, Texas - The University Baptist Church band had just led the congregation in praise songs when the Rev. Kyle Lake stepped into a tank on the stage to baptize a new member, something he did several times a year. As a packed room of more than 800 people watched, Lake cried out and then fell backward. Several doctors in the Sunday morning crowd rushed up and pulled the 33-year-old pastor from the water, but Lake had been electrocuted. He was pronounced dead shortly afterward at a hospital. Some at the service, which was packed for Baylor University homecoming weekend, said Lake had adjusted a microphone outside the tank. Others said it appeared a piece of equipment fell into the water. "It happened so fast; no one knew what was going on," said Sam Larson, a Minneapolis seminary student who was in Waco visiting fellow Baylor graduates. "It was horrible. Kyle was a guy who loved everybody; he didn't care who you were. And everybody who met him loved him." Waco police believe it was an accident, said police spokesman Steve Anderson. Detectives and the city's inspection department on Monday examined the church's electrical system, microphones and band equipment to try to determine exactly what happened, he said. Randy Childers, who oversees code enforcement for the city, said officials also were reviewing previous inspection reports and permits for the building, which housed a supermarket before the church moved in about 10 years ago. The funeral service for Lake, who was married and had a 5-year-old daughter and 3-year-old twin sons, was planned for Tuesday at Waco's First Baptist Church. Lake, a Tyler native, graduated from Baylor in 1994 and the school's Truett Seminary in 1997. He had been a pastor at University Baptist Church for seven year. The church had grown to about 600 members since it was founded in 1995 as a contemporary church for students at nearby Baylor, the world's largest Baptist university. "He could speak students' language, and he could capture their attention and hold it," said Jeter Basden, Baylor's director of ministry guidance and one of Lake's professors. "He was funny and deep, and he could communicate with someone who didn't have a church background." Since news of Lake's death began spreading, several Baptist pastors have talked about making sure their baptism practices are safe, said David Hardage, executive director of the Waco Baptist Association. But he said the tragedy won't end the tradition of completely submersing someone during a baptism, which symbolizes a Christian's belief that Jesus Christ died on the cross and rose from the dead. The woman who was to be baptized Sunday wasn't injured, church officials said. "It's an integral part of the Baptist faith," Hardage said. "For Baptists, we don't believe that baptism is an act of salvation. We believe baptism is an act of obedience and a testimony for what you believe." - AP staff writer Anabelle Garay in Dallas contributed to this report.
Re: [TruthTalk] Campus Preaching-Kevin Deegan / David Miller?
To add to what David Miller wrote, you might be interested in studying these short law courses: TITLE 42/CIVIL RIGHTS CLASS, and the BASIC COURTROOM STRATEGY & PROCEDURE CLASS http://www.georgegordon.net/Classes.htm#title42 - Original Message - From: Dean Moore To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2005 6:47 AM Subject: [TruthTalk] Campus Preaching-Kevin Deegan / David Miller? cd: Do you guys know the laws concerning Campus Preaching? The security at WCU keep insisting that I can preach in only two areas on Campus which works good while student are in school-but if an event such as games and concerts..etc is held then I am stuck on the other side of campus where no one can hear (ie. the same two areas)?When I go to those events I am meet with great resistance. Have you ran into this problem? I know under the freedom of Speech I have the right to be herd but also can be controlled using that right -as in time ,place and manner. How about the freedom of religion -isn't there some help using that right? Any help you can give will be appreciated.May God bless you brothers :-) - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 11/1/2005 8:14:50 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] IS THIS A GREAT COUNTRY, OR WHAT? This is a TRUE story! It is not an Urban legend. http://www.wtv-zone.com/Mary/THISWILLMAKEYOUPROUD.HTML Brian Chontosh http://www.usmc.mil/marinelink/mcn2000.nsf/lookupstoryref/200456162723 __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
[TruthTalk] Souls beheaded for the witness of Jesus
Muslims Hack CongregationAccording to the Christian Association of Nigeria (CAN) and Christian Solidarity Worldwide (CSW) on February 24th as many as 400 heavily armed Muslims, shouting the jihad cry of "Allah u Akhbar" (God is great), marched into a Christian morning prayer service in Yelwa, Nigeria, ordered the 48 member congregation to lie face down and proceeded "to machete and axe them to death in their house of worship." "I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God..."On The Net: http://www.assistnews.net/Stories/s04030033.htm
[TruthTalk] What's in Vaccines?
What's in Vaccines? http://befreetech.com/vaccine_poisons.htm human diploid cells (originating from human aborted fetal tissue)
Re: [TruthTalk] POLYANYI
I just wanted to say that I appreciate the things being shared. This thread of discourse is most revealing. There are the originators of knowledge, those who experience or discover it first hand. And then there are the purveyors of knowledge, who pass along what others say without first hand, direct experience. Most of the "NEWS" we hear is from radio, TV, or printed reporting. In academics, there are those who repeat what they have been taught rather than what they have truly learned first hand. Many preachers/pastors behave like reporters and repeaters. The living Word of God, who now comes in the flesh through His people, indwells our lives gives us first hand experience as we exercise faith and trust in him for all things. There is a place for wells and a place for conduits. May God so richly bless you, --Marlin - Original Message - From: Wm. Taylor David M. and Izzy, I am sending a quote from Lesslie Newbigin."There is thought to be a kind of knowledge for which one does not have to depend on faith, and there is another kind which is only available by the exercise of faith."
Re: [TruthTalk] POLYANYI
Knowledge, truth or lie, comes from or through these means: Originate = To come or bring into being; begin Purvey = to supply (food, information, etc.), to furnish Disseminate = To scatter or spread widely Notice Paul's prophesy of these in the last days: "Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts, Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth. Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith." 2TIM 3:4-9 --Marlin - Original Message ----- From: Marlin Halverson To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 26, 2004 8:25 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] POLYANYI I just wanted to say that I appreciate the things being shared. This thread of discourse is most revealing. There are the originators of knowledge, those who experience or discover it first hand. And then there are the purveyors of knowledge, who pass along what others say without first hand, direct experience. Most of the "NEWS" we hear is from radio, TV, or printed reporting. In academics, there are those who repeat what they have been taught rather than what they have truly learned first hand. Many preachers/pastors behave like reporters and repeaters. The living Word of God, who now comes in the flesh through His people, indwells our lives gives us first hand experience as we exercise faith and trust in him for all things. There is a place for wells and a place for conduits. May God so richly bless you, --Marlin - Original Message - From: Wm. Taylor David M. and Izzy, I am sending a quote from Lesslie Newbigin."There is thought to be a kind of knowledge for which one does not have to depend on faith, and there is another kind which is only available by the exercise of faith."
Re: [TruthTalk] Getting to know you.
Who's next? Terry My family just spent the evening with other brethren singing praises to God. As far as mind games and endless argumentation, it never ends. I can easily get involved and say something if I feel led to do so. I love to enjoy the creation also. But, what is most important to my life is the relationship developing between my family and God. We are applying his word in our lives to the best of our ability. I marvel at the way the holy spirit is leading my wife and children as we struggle together to make ends meet. Tomorrow begins six more days of hard work, growing beautiful plants and sending them to market. We sing together when we can. We need each other. --Marlin
Re: [TruthTalk] Getting to know you.
Very kind thoughts, Izzy. If we were closer neighbors, that would be nice, but, outside of our marketing area it is not economically sound because of the transportation costs. A neighbor closed down his business, which was an offshoot of the one that preceded ours. Thus we now service more than 100 florists in the eastern part of Kentucky, within about a 150 mile radius. Most of what we supply to the florists is used in funeral homes to comfort those who have lost their loved ones. In the Spring and Fall, we also supply plants to garden centers. Of concern to me is conducting business in a way that pleases God and develops character and training in my home-schooled children. Proverbs 22:6 says "Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it." This is my greatest God-ordained responsibility as a parent. It is not a job to pawn off on a "church." I believe that training a child "in the way that HE should go" takes into account individual aptitudes and abilities and interests, and matching these to opportunities that we can do our best to provide. I believe that training a child "in the way that he SHOULD go" takes into account the commandments of God which we will keep if we love Him. One way to appreciate God in return for His many blessings and benefits, resulting from our obedience and His grace, is to praise Him with songs. Musically, we are not what one calls "professionals." That is not our aim, so much as it is to edify one another and to praise God. There are CD recorders available now, but they are expensive. We hope to acquire one some day. The CDs themselves are cheap. --Marlin - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2004 3:36 AM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Getting to know you. Marlin, You are precious. Perhaps some of us on TT could purchase our spring plants directly from your business. Is that possible??? Or do you just sell to local wholesalers? Would you let us know if there was something we could do to bless your family? We are all struggling in one way or another, and we need to help each other if we can. Have you and your family ever produced a musical C.D.? Seems like theres a lot of talent there. Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlin HalversonSent: Saturday, March 27, 2004 9:23 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Getting to know you. Who's next? Terry My family just spent the evening with other brethren singing praises to God. As far as mind games and endless argumentation, it never ends. I can easily get involved and say something if I feel led to do so. I love to enjoy the creation also. But, what is most important to my life is the relationship developing between my family and God. We are applying his word in our lives to the best of our ability. I marvel at the way the holy spirit is leading my wife and children as we struggle together to make ends meet. Tomorrow begins six more days of hard work, growing beautiful plants and sending them to market. We sing together when we can. We need each other. --Marlin
Re: [TruthTalk] Rated "R"
RECENTLY HEARD ON THE MORNING LIGHT SHOW: Why "The Passion of Christ" is Rated R The "R" of course is because of the violence, the gore. In movie terms "R" stands for RESTRICTED, but in this movie "R" stands for RELEVANT, for REALISTIC, for it REALLY happened for a REASON because we were REBELLIOUS we needed a REDEEMER, we needed to be RECONCILED, we needed to be RECOVERED, we needed to be REGENERATED. Jesus needed to be REJECTED so that we could have a RELATIONSHIP not just a RELIGION. The "R" is to REMIND us to REMEMBER what Jesus did to REMOVE our sin to RENDER Satan powerless, to RESCUE us from eternity in hell. The "R" rating is to show that Jesus was RESPONSIBLE for giving you REST. As a RESULT of his death Jesus RETIRED your debt. The "R" rating means that some will be REPULSED, some will REFUSE to believe, some will be RELUCTANT, some will think you are RIDICULOUS in believing that a death was REQUIRED. The "R" rating means that the RESULT of sin has been REVERSED and now through faith in Christ your REWARD is eternity and you are now RIGHTEOUS before God because you have RECEIVED him as the RULER of your soul. What a REVOLUTIONARY and RADICAL solution to REDEEM mankind. -- Tim Stevenson, Senior Pastor Horizon Community Church Galt, California - Original Message - From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 5:03 PM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Rated "R" > Thanks, but it was sent to me by a friend. I don't know who wrote it, as it > wasn't attached. But it IS good preach'in! Izzy > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir > Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 10:45 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Rated "R" > > Amen sister!!! Good preachin' Lance > - Original Message - > From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: April 02, 2004 11:40 > Subject: [TruthTalk] Rated "R" > > > > > > The movie - the PASSION OF CHRIST is rated "R": > > > > The "R" of course is because of the violence, the gore.. > > > > In movie terms "R" stands for RESTRICTED , but in this movie > > > > "R" stands for RELEVANT , for REALISTIC , for it > > > > REALLY happened for a REASON because we were > > > > REBELIOUS we needed a REDEEMER , we needed to be > > > > RECONCILED , we needed to be RECOVERED , we needed > > > > to be REGENERATED . Jesus needed to be REJECTED so > > > > that we could have a RELATIONSHIP not just a > > > > RELIGION . The "R" is to REMIND us to REMEMBER > > > > what Jesus did to REMOVE our sin to RENDER Satan > > > > powerless, to RESCUE us from eternity in hell. The "R" rating is > > > > to show that Jesus was RESPONSIBLE for giving you > > > > REST . As a RESULT of his death Jesus RETIRED your > > > > debt. The "R" rating means that some will be REPULSED , > > > > some will REFUSE to believe, some will be RELUCTANT , > > > > some will think you are RIDICULOUS in believing that a > > > > death was REQUIRED . The "R" rating means that the > > > > RESULT of sin has been REVERSED and now through faith > > > > in Christ your REWARD is eternity and you are now > > > > RIGHTEOUS before God because you have RECEIVED > > > > him as the RULER of your soul. What a REVOLUTIONARY > > > > and RADICAL solution to REDEEM mankind. > > > > REJOICE !!! > > > > He is RISEN! > > > > > > > > > > -- > > "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may > know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) > http://www.InnGlory.org > > > > If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a > friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. > > > -- > "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know > how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) > http://www.InnGlory.org > > If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a > friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. > > > -- > "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org > > If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. > -- "
[TruthTalk] Passion of the Christ "R" Rating Article is by Tim Stevenson
I wanted to find out who wrote the clever article about the R rating of the Passion. I found this source over the Internet and Tim Stevenson claims authorship. - Original Message - From: Tim Stevenson To: Marlin Halverson Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2004 10:44 AM Subject: RE: Passion of the Christ "R" Rating Article Yes I am. Tim Stevenson -Original Message-From: Marlin Halverson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 8:20 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Passion of the Christ "R" Rating Article Are you the author of the following? The movie - the PASSION OF CHRIST is rated "R":The "R" of course is because of the violence, the gore.. In movie terms "R" stands for RESTRICTED , but in this movie"R" stands for RELEVANT , for REALISTIC , for itREALLY happened for a REASON because we wereREBELIOUS we needed a REDEEMER , we needed to beRECONCILED , we needed to be RECOVERED , we neededto be REGENERATED . Jesus needed to be REJECTED sothat we could have a RELATIONSHIP not just aRELIGION . The "R" is to REMIND us to REMEMBERwhat Jesus did to REMOVE our sin to RENDER Satanpowerless, to RESCUE us from eternity in hell. The "R" rating isto show that Jesus was RESPONSIBLE for giving youREST . As a RESULT of his death Jesus RETIRED yourdebt. The "R" rating means that some will be REPULSED ,some will REFUSE to believe, some will be RELUCTANT ,.
[TruthTalk] What about this William Penn, Quaker writing?
Dear participants on TruthTalk, I have the privelege of knowing some Quakers, some of my dearest freinds. They have done considerable study into the origins of their own faith. I asked them about what Chris Barr has said concerning Wiliam Penn's beliefs about "the trinity," "oneness," and Penn's other beliefs. Here is what they testify: - Original Message - Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 8:22 AM Subject: Re: What about this William Penn, Quaker writing? First of all, none but a handful of Quakers throughout history ever kept the Sabbath. I think today there are only two -- me and my wife. Second, William Penn, like all conservative Friends, did not hold to the trinity doctrine but believed that the Father God, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, has, and sent His son Jesus (Yeshua if you wish) to redeem mankind. Two distinct personalities. Two distinct persons (for lack of better terms) , one created by the other (in unknowable worlds before us) and one who calls the other "God." Ref John 20:17 No personage is given to the Spirit of God because it is a PART of God's makeup not God in whole. Jesus said in John 16:13-15, "Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you. All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you."Clearly the Spirit is one of the things "God hath" or a power or manifestation of God but not wholly God Himself. The Spirit of God is the selfsame Spirit that is in you. God's Spirit -- in you -- just as it was in Christ. John 14:17-18, "Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you. I will not leave you comfortless: [Here Jesus equates the Spirit with Himself] I will come to you."William Penn's Writing falls short of the oneness doctrine as much as it does the trinity doctrine. In reality the writing is somewhat a "hedged bet" (if the Quaker brethren will forgive me). He said that he was opposed to using the TERM "trinity" because it was not a word from Scripture. He called it a Schoolmen's term. He actually goes on to say that he believes in the "three that bear record in heaven" not knowing that the 1st John 5:7 Scripture was of dubious origin, for it had not yet been discovered missing in earlier transcripts.No, on the trinity William Penn, though he is a hero of mine offers little ammunition to dispel the false doctrine. But he offers less to anyone claiming that Yeshua and Yahweh are one and the same.I've told you before that the Internet is a cesspool of cowards who get a false sense of accomplishment by arguing points using trite sayings, cut and paste arguments, and electronic gimmickry and whether they win or lose their argument they do so with people who have no commitment to true discovery. All of their life they will stare into the "dark glass" of their computers and never face to face with flesh and blood. The chat room is the platform of cowards and the showplace of ignorance. "Having many things to write unto you, I would not write with paper and ink: (Computers) but I trust to come unto you, and speak face to face..." 2 John 1:12Let me share with you the Scripture that we chose as the theme for the feast -- it seems appropriate:"As much as you can aim to know your neighbors and consult with the wise, Let your conversation be with intelligent people, and let all of your discussion be about the Law of the Most High."Sirach 9:14-15Don
Re: [TruthTalk] What about this William Penn, Quaker writing?
Can you get a copy of the writings that you referred to and post them? - Original Message - From: Chris Barr To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 09, 2004 2:35 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] What about this William Penn, Quaker writing? \o/ !HALALUYah! \o/ Greetings Marlin et al in the Matchless Name of YahShua !! I, too, have had the privilege of knowing some Quakers through the years and becoming somewhat close to a few.
Re: [TruthTalk] Christian Children
I remember a family in a fellowship I was with where the little girl prayed that God would let her have identical twin brothers. Her mother was not pregnant, was not planning to be pregnant, and there were not twins in the family. About a year later, the mother gave birth to identical twin boys. -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
Re: [TruthTalk] Christian Children
- Original Message - From: "Judy Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, April 11, 2004 12:18 PM Subject: [TruthTalk] Christian Children > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > I remember a family in a fellowship I was with where the little > girl prayed that God would let her have identical twin brothers. > Her mother was not pregnant, was not planning to be pregnant, > and there were not twins in the family. About a year later, the > mother gave birth to identical twin boys. > > jt: Marvin, did/do you believe that this prayer was motivated by > the Spirit of God? Yes. Did your leadership have anything to say about > it? Nothing was ever said. Are you sure this was not divination? It was a child's expectant prayer to God. Nothing more. Nothing less. Nobody made any big deal about it. We all just smiled and were happy for the family about their blessing. > > BTW was that the same Tim Stevenson or are there > two of them? judyt What? Why are you asking me about this unfamiliar name out of the blue? -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
Re: [TruthTalk] Christian Children
Oh. Yes. Somebody with that name claimed to be the author of the piece. I do not know anything about him. But you are welcome to do your own search to find out. I like to know the source of an article. > BTW was that the same Tim Stevenson or are there> two of them? judyt What?Why are you asking me about this unfamiliar name out of the blue? jt: Did I misunderstand or was it you who posted on TT that the "R" piece about the Passion Movie by Mel Gibson was written by one Tim Stevenson? This is the man I am referring to - I found one who is Canadian both religious and politician and also gay. Just wondering if it is the same person. judyt
Re: [TruthTalk] Christian Children
The answered prayers of a child are cause to suspect demons? I think not. jt: Of course I can understand everyone being happy for the family but it's important that we understand God's ways because right now the Church is full of divination and nobody seems to know or care Some are closed to anything supernatural and the others are wide open to everything that comes along and looks good.
Re: [TruthTalk] Christian Children
The family members of those who are called, children and spouses, are sanctified by the believing family member. They are made clean and holy. Now, that woman in Texas who murdered her children and quoted scripture to justify her actions had a train of thought such as you have expressed. Her thinking was indeed inspired by the devil. (See Below) 1CO 7:14 For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy. - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, April 11, 2004 3:35 PM Subject: [TruthTalk] Christian Children jt: Divination and deception are one and the same. Why just assume that demons will not work through a child? Everyone who comes into this world has a fallen Adamic nature and this includes every child. Usually it doesn't take long for it to express itself either. judyt [EMAIL PROTECTED]> The answered prayers of a child are cause to suspect demons? I think not. jt: Of course I can understand everyone being happy for the family but it's important that we understand God's ways because right now the Church is full of divination and nobody seems to know or care Some are closed to anything supernatural and the others are wide open to everything that comes along and looks good. Mom says God told her to stone sons AP file photo Deanna Laney called 911 just after midnight on May 10 and told a dispatcher: "I've just killed my boys." Associated PressMar. 29, 2004 06:03 PM TYLER, Texas - A mother who bashed her sons' heads with heavy rocks, killing two of the boys, was so delusional she thought the Lord told her to do it, her attorney said Monday in opening statements at her murder trial."Does she follow what she believes to be God's will or does she turn her back on her God?" defense attorney F.R. "Buck" Files Jr. asked the jury of eight men and four women.Deanna Laney, a 39-year-old stay-at-home mother, has pleaded innocent by reason of insanity to charges of murdering 8-year-old Joshua and 6-year-old Luke and causing serious injury to Aaron, 14 months old at the time. Prosecutors are not seeking the death penalty.The deeply religious East Texas woman who home-schooled her children in the tiny town of New Chapel Hill, 100 miles southeast of Dallas, wept uncontrollably and shook her head, at times burying her face in a tissue, as she listened to testimony and prosecutors showed gruesome photographs of her slain children.Her husband, who has supported her, sat a few rows behind with friends and family.Prosecutors contend Laney knew right from wrong when she killed her children last Mother's Day weekend, despite opinions from two psychiatric experts for the defense, two for the prosecution and one for the judge - all of whom said Laney was legally insane."The issue of sanity is tried in the court, not the hospitals," District Attorney Matt Bingham told the jury.Prosecutors played a tape of a 911 call in which Laney, in her high, dainty voice, calmly told a dispatcher after midnight on May 10: "I just killed my boys." She also described the color of her house and directed authorities to her home."I just did what I had to do," she told the dispatcher.Later in the tape, she appeared to doubt whether she should have beaten the baby, saying, "I don't think I did right by Aaron." She later said, "I don't think I was supposed to kill him."In his opening statement, the district attorney told the jury: "The evidence will show you that the last thing Josh and Luke Laney ever saw was their mom with a rock over their head and the last thing they ever felt was that rock crashing over their head."Bingham said Laney attacked the baby first, hammering his head with a 4 1/2-pound rock she had hidden under his crib. When he began crying, Laney's husband, Keith, woke up and found his wife standing over the baby."Everything's OK," she told him.He assumed his wife was changing a diaper and went back to bed. Laney then struck the baby again, and after hearing a gurgling from the blood in Aaron's throat, she covered him with a pillow and left the room, Bingham said."Aaron Laney will never be the same," said Bingham, adding that the boy's vision has been impaired and he will never live independently.With Aaron's blood on her pajamas, Laney then woke up Luke, led him outside the family's rural brick home and asked him to put his head on a large rock, the prosecutor said."He does what his Mommy tells him," Bingham s
Re: [TruthTalk] Christian Children
I was beginning to worry about you. I do not subscribe to the idea of children being born evil. God said that what He created was "very good." It is our influences and actions as we age that corrupts us. Jesus said that we need the innocence of a child to receive the Kingdom of God. LUK 18:17 {Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child shall in no wise enter therein.} [EMAIL PROTECTED]> The family members of those who are called, children and spouses, are sanctified by the believing family member. They are made clean and holy. jt: Sanctified in 1 Cor 7:14 means set apart for God to work upon; the ones who are in unbelief still need to make their own committment; God does not make ppl clean and holy by osmosis and without their cooperation. Now, that woman in Texas who murdered her children and quoted scripture to justify her actions had a train of thought such as you have expressed. Her thinking was indeed inspired by the devil. (See http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/0329ChildrenSlain29-ON.html) jt: I agree because murder is never God's plan, the woman was listening to the father of lies who was a murderer from the beginning. she had religious spirits and sadly this is not unusual. The mother in Houston who drowned her five children was also a professing believer; she and her husband were fundamentalist Christians. 1CO 7:14 For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy.
Re: [TruthTalk] Christian Children
jt: I've never stated that children could not be converted John, what I am saying is that child prophets and child prodigies are out of character for the ministry of God's Spirit in the Church. Children are not responsible for their own spiritual life under Judaism until they are at least 13yrs old and even Jesus who had a full measure of God's Spirit did nothing publicly before the age of 30yrs. When did things change? judyt No change at all. Judaism is religion and tradition, not the word of God. The Word of God tells of Samuel long before Judaism developed. There were other children inspired of God in the scripture, even from the womb. Joseph, Samson, Jeremiah, John the Baptist, Jesus. 1SA 1:24 ¶ And when she had weaned him, she took him up with her, with three bullocks, and one ephah of flour, and a bottle of wine, and brought him unto the house of the LORD in Shiloh: and the child [was] young. 1SA 3:9 Therefore Eli said unto Samuel, Go, lie down: and it shall be, if he call thee, that thou shalt say, Speak, LORD; for thy servant heareth. So Samuel went and lay down in his place.1SA 3:10 And the LORD came, and stood, and called as at other times, Samuel, Samuel. Then Samuel answered, Speak; for thy servant heareth.1SA 3:11 ¶ And the LORD said to Samuel, Behold, I will do a thing in Israel, at which both the ears of every one that heareth it shall tingle.
Re: [TruthTalk] Christian Children
All right. A "child prodigy" must mean something to you that it does not mean in the field of education. These have obviously become "buzzwords" to describe something that you are seeing in the circles that I do not frequent. As for me, I have had the blessing of both teaching and learning from my children. They know and love God. They have personal relationships with the Father and His Son. In some ways they can be smarter than I because they have gifts that I do not have. For instance, I taught them music. I cannot play piano, except slowly to plunk out parts and harmonies. My children, on the other hand are gifted and they can move an audience in worship to God with their playing of the instrument. Your blanket stipulation would prevent Godly children from serving other brethren until they are age 30. I go along with Paul's admonition to Timothy: 2TI 3:15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. 1TI 4:12 Let no man despise thy youth; but be thou an example of the believers, in word, in conversation, in charity, in spirit, in faith, in purity. - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 2:51 AM Subject: [TruthTalk] Christian Children From: "Marlin Halverson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> jt: I've never stated that children could not be converted John, what I am saying is that child prophets and child prodigies are out of character for the ministry of God's Spirit in the Church. Children are not responsible for their own spiritual life under Judaism until they are at least 13yrs old and even Jesus who had a full measure of God's Spirit did nothing publicly before the age of 30yrs. When did things change? marlin: No change at all. Judaism is religion and tradition, not the word of God. jt: I meant Israel and they were God's Old Covenant Church; they are the ones who preserved God's Word for our present generation and yes I was aware of Samuel but he is the exception; God was upset and not speaking to Eli. Even so, we have no record that Samuel was a boy prodigy. Did he become the prophet before he was of age that you know of? The Word of God tells of Samuel long before Judaism developed. There were other children inspired of God in the scripture, even from the womb. Joseph, Samson, Jeremiah, John the Baptist, Jesus. jt: OK Joseph had a dream and his brothers tried to kill him over it. Still he waited a long time and was sorely tested before it came to fruition.The parents of Samson, John the Baptist, and Jesus were warned ahead of time that these children would serve God but none of them to my knowledge were sent out as a child prodigy. Do you know of one who was? Even in the passages below Samuel as a child did not know who was speaking to him. Eli had to teach him. judyt
Re: [TruthTalk] Christian Children
All this worry because I recounted the answered prayers of an innocent child. I continually ask God to pour out His spirit upon my children and to bless them. Why would I or my child receive a snake when we ask for a fish? Or what man is there of you, whom if his son ask bread, will he give him a stone? Or if he ask a fish, will he give him a serpent? If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask him? MAT 7:9-11 jt: "Children are free to serve in many ways, just not in positions of authority and I don't see any indication that the Holy Spirit uses them in the distribution of spiritual gifts. ..."
[TruthTalk] Illinois Apologizes to Mormons
Illinois Apologizes to MormonsA delegation of Illinois officials, led by Lt. Gov. Pat Quinn, traveled to Utah to express official regret for the 1844 murder of Joseph Smith Jr., the founder of the Mormon church, and the expulsion of Mormons from Illinois. The Illinois House approved a resolution, a week prior, expressing the regret and Quinns delegation carried that message to The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. An AP story quoted Quinn, "The people of Illinois are tolerant. They believe in religious freedom, and they are people of many faiths. If there have been wrongs, we should right them.'' Illinois is home to some 51,000 Mormons -[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [TruthTalk] 7th Day Adventists
From Marlin: I think that the word "denomination" applies to the group. But this is not a compliment. I prefer home churches and being led directly of God, rather than by a hierarchy of human leaders. I am responsible for my own actions before God, not any leader other than God can give me salvation. But there are some things that a cooperating organized group can do that smaller groups cannot for outreaches and teaching. There are good works that larger groups can do. This site has some level-headedness about the use of their fallible leader in the past. Many SDAs elevate her writings to the level of scripture, unable to see the differences. They observe human ideas about spices, alcohol, music, vegetarianism, no vinegar, and coffee is bad while chocolate is okay. Few of them ask why, and conservatives look for evidence to prove that Ellen was right with scholarly dissertations. http://www.capitalmemorial.org/egwonegw.htm Ellen G. Whites Counsel on the Use ofHer Writings With Respect to the Bible Note: Ellen G. White claimed her writings to be the lesser light to lead us to the Bible, the greater light. Little heed is given to the Bible, and the Lord has given a lesser light to lead men and women to the greater light. (Colporteur Evangelism, p. 37) When we fail in this objective and make the Spirit of Prophecy the final word, we do a great injustice to the church and Ellen G. White and rightfully deserve to be called a cult! [followed by several quotes.] - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2004 1:21 PM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] 7th Day Adventists The website looks very interesting,Marlin. Its good to know the background on SDAs. Its always good to hear from you. Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlin halversonSent: Tuesday, May 11, 2004 10:08 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] 7th Day Adventists My computer was attacked by that sasser virus and I missed a bunch of mail, gone forever because of hotmail account limitations. Regarding the SDAs. I have been fellowshipping among them for a couple of years now as a guest. There are wonderful people there. The group as a whole is healthy enough to assimilate some diversity without crumbling. I have decided to put some space between them and myself and family for a time. A conflict arose over appropriate forms of music and I do not want to be the one telling them what is right more than I have already done. There are conservative views that date back to the thoughts of Ellen White that are not even part of some of the official guidelines, guidelines currently under revision. The following web site is helpful for an insight into past developments that have led up to current stands. Conflicts can arise from unstated beliefs that are passed down through generations of members. http://www.isitso.org/guide/sda.html Marlin - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 03, 2004 9:00 AM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] 7th Day Adventists Good attitude, John. Ive not looked into Adventists because Ive had friends in the past warn me against it, and I dont think my husband would be interested, as he loves our non-D church. But Ive read some very favorable things about how healthy they are due to their beliefs in keeping OT dietary laws. Are you Adventist? Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2004 9:02 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] 7th Day Adventists Just to clarify:The Adventist church in most communities I am aware of, is accepted by most of the other churches as part of the larger Christian community. One of the local radio stations is a Christian music station run by the Adventist church. It features announcements from all Christian churches, and has advertisement from across the board. In time, it's doctrine of exclusion will be completely gone. The folks I know are great people, claiming the name of Jesus. I am not aware that correct doctrinal thinking is a requirement for salvation. Community among believers is a wonderful thing and should be encouraged. Many in TT share this sense of community. Peace outJohn Smithson
RE: [TruthTalk] 7th Day Adventists
From Marlin: I think that the word "denomination" applies to the group. But this is not a compliment. I prefer home churches and being led directly of God, rather than by a hierarchy of human leaders. I am responsible for my own actions before God, not any leader other than God can give me salvation. But there are some things that a cooperating organized group can do that smaller groups cannot for outreaches and teaching. There are good works that larger groups can do. This site has some level-headedness about the use of their fallible leader in the past. Many SDAs elevate her writings to the level of scripture, unable to see the differences. They observe human ideas about spices, alcohol, music, vegetarianism, no vinegar, and coffee is bad while chocolate is okay. Few of them ask why, and conservatives look for evidence to prove that Ellen was right with scholarly dissertations. http://www.capitalmemorial.org/egwonegw.htm Ellen G. Whites Counsel on the Use ofHer Writings With Respect to the Bible Note: Ellen G. White claimed her writings to be the lesser light to lead us to the Bible, the greater light. Little heed is given to the Bible, and the Lord has given a lesser light to lead men and women to the greater light. (Colporteur Evangelism, p. 37) When we fail in this objective and make the Spirit of Prophecy the final word, we do a great injustice to the church and Ellen G. White and rightfully deserve to be called a cult! [followed by several quotes.] - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2004 1:21 PM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] 7th Day Adventists The website looks very interesting,Marlin. Its good to know the background on SDAs. Its always good to hear from you. Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlin halversonSent: Tuesday, May 11, 2004 10:08 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] 7th Day Adventists My computer was attacked by that sasser virus and I missed a bunch of mail, gone forever because of hotmail account limitations. Regarding the SDAs. I have been fellowshipping among them for a couple of years now as a guest. There are wonderful people there. The group as a whole is healthy enough to assimilate some diversity without crumbling. I have decided to put some space between them and myself and family for a time. A conflict arose over appropriate forms of music and I do not want to be the one telling them what is right more than I have already done. There are conservative views that date back to the thoughts of Ellen White that are not even part of some of the official guidelines, guidelines currently under revision. The following web site is helpful for an insight into past developments that have led up to current stands. Conflicts can arise from unstated beliefs that are passed down through generations of members. http://www.isitso.org/guide/sda.html Marlin - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 03, 2004 9:00 AM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] 7th Day Adventists Good attitude, John. Ive not looked into Adventists because Ive had friends in the past warn me against it, and I dont think my husband would be interested, as he loves our non-D church. But Ive read some very favorable things about how healthy they are due to their beliefs in keeping OT dietary laws. Are you Adventist? Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2004 9:02 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] 7th Day Adventists Just to clarify:The Adventist church in most communities I am aware of, is accepted by most of the other churches as part of the larger Christian community. One of the local radio stations is a Christian music station run by the Adventist church. It features announcements from all Christian churches, and has advertisement from across the board. In time, it's doctrine of exclusion will be completely gone. The folks I know are great people, claiming the name of Jesus. I am not aware that correct doctrinal thinking is a requirement for salvation. Community among believers is a wonderful thing and should be encouraged. Many in TT share this sense of community. Peace outJohn Smithson
Re: [TruthTalk] 7th Day Adventists
My computer was attacked by that sasser virus and I missed a bunch of mail, gone forever because of hotmail account limitations. Regarding the SDAs. I have been fellowshipping among them for a couple of years now as a guest. There are wonderful people there. The group as a whole is healthy enough to assimilate some diversity without crumbling. I have decided to put some space between them and myself and family for a time. A conflict arose over appropriate forms of music and I do not want to be the one telling them what is right more than I have already done. There are conservative views that date back to the thoughts of Ellen White that are not even part of some of the official guidelines, guidelines currently under revision. The following web site is helpful for an insight into past developments that have led up to current stands. Conflicts can arise from unstated beliefs that are passed down through generations of members. http://www.isitso.org/guide/sda.html Marlin - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 03, 2004 9:00 AM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] 7th Day Adventists Good attitude, John. Ive not looked into Adventists because Ive had friends in the past warn me against it, and I dont think my husband would be interested, as he loves our non-D church. But Ive read some very favorable things about how healthy they are due to their beliefs in keeping OT dietary laws. Are you Adventist? Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2004 9:02 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] 7th Day Adventists Just to clarify:The Adventist church in most communities I am aware of, is accepted by most of the other churches as part of the larger Christian community. One of the local radio stations is a Christian music station run by the Adventist church. It features announcements from all Christian churches, and has advertisement from across the board. In time, it's doctrine of exclusion will be completely gone. The folks I know are great people, claiming the name of Jesus. I am not aware that correct doctrinal thinking is a requirement for salvation. Community among believers is a wonderful thing and should be encouraged. Many in TT share this sense of community. Peace outJohn Smithson
[TruthTalk] Land of the Free
"Land of the FreeJust some interesting factoids here: In 1923 there were only 61 prisons in the entire United States. Today, there are literally thousands. In many states upto as much as 30--78 percent of the counties have at least one prison. I read an article by Paul Craig Roberts on America and its prisons. I quote a small portion here: "The US has a unique distinction: It is the worlds greatest prison state. The US, "the land of the free," has the biggest prison population in the world and the highest rate of prisoners per capita of all countries including countries that President Bush believes need liberating by US armed forces. Even China, with one party rule and a population that is 4.5 times larger than the US population, has 30% fewer total prisoners than the US. Chinas per capita rate is a small fraction of the US rate. The US prison population per capita is three times higher than "axis of evil" country Iran, five times higher than Tanzania, and seven times higher than a civilized European country like Germany. One out of every 142 Americans is in prison and this does not include military prisons or INS jails. ... Between 1980 and 2000, a period during which the US population grew by 21%, the number of state and federal inmates soared by 312%." http://www.truthontheweb.org /NwsClpz/051504.html
[TruthTalk] Unchanged Week With Sabbath
Unchanged Week With Sabbath Old resource-Author unknown Shewing the UNCHANGED ORDER of the Days and the true Position of the SABBATH, as proved by the combined testimony of Ancient and Modern Languages. No. LANGUAGE (Where Spoken, Read, or Otherwise Used) 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, Name of the SEVENTH DAY 1 Shemitic Hebrew Bible world-wide Day One, Day Second, Day Third, Day Fourth, Day Fifth, Day the Sixth, Yom hash-shab-bath Day - the Sabbath 2 Hebrew (Ancient and Modern) One into the Sabbath, Second into the Sabbath, Third into the Sabbath, Fourth into the Sabbath, Fifth into the Sabbath, Eve of Holy Sabbath, Shab-bath - Sabbath 3 Targum of Onkelos (Hebrew Literature) Day One, Day Second, Day Third, Day Fourth, Day Fifth, Day the Sixth, Yom hash-shab-bath Day - the Sabbath 4 Targum Dialect of the Jews in Kurdistan Day One of the Seven, Day 2nd of the Seven, Day 3rd of the Seven, Day 4th of the Seven, Day 5th of the Seven, Day of Eve (of Sabbath), yoy-met sha-bat kodesh - Holy Sabbath Day 5 Ancient Syriac *Each day proceeds on, and belongs to the Sabbath One into Sabbath, Two into Sabbath, Three into Sabbath, Four into Sabbath, Five into Sabbath, Eve (of Sabbath), Shab-ba-tho - Sabbath 6 Chaldee Syriac Kurdistan and Urdmia, Persia One into Sabbath, Two into Sabbath, Three into Sabbath, Four into Sabbath, Five into Sabbath, Eve (of Sabbath), Shap-ta - Sabbath 7 Samaritan (Old Hebrew Letters) Nablus, Palestine Day One Day, Second Day, Third Day, Fourth Day, Fifth Day, Sixth, Shab-bath -Sabbath 8 Babylonian Euphrates & Tigris Valleys Mesopotamia (Written lang. 3800 B.C.) First, Second, Third, Fourth, Fifth, Sixth, Sa-ba-tu - Sabbath 9 Assyrian Euphrates and Tigris Valleys, Mesopotamia First, Second, Third, Fourth, Fifth, Sixth, sa-ba-tu - Sabbath 10 Arabic (Very old names) Business Day, Light, Moon, War, Chief Turning Day or Midweek, Familiar or Society Day, Eve (of Sabbath), Shi-yar Chief or Rejoicing Day 11 Arabic (Ancient and Modern) Westn. Asia, E,W & N. Africa The One, The Two, The Three, The Four ,The Fifth, Assembly (day, Muham), as-sabt -The Sabbath 12 Maltese, Malta One (day), Two (and day), The 3 (3rd d.), The 4 (4th d.), Fifth (day), Assembly, Is-sibt -The Sabbath 13 Ge-ez or Ethiopic Abyssinia (Ge-ez signifies "original") One (day), Second, Third, Fourth, Fifth, Eve (of Sabbath), san-bat -Sabbath 14 Tigre Abyssinia (Closely related to Ge-ez) One (First day), Second, Third, Fourth, Fifth, Eve (of Sabbath), san-bat -Sabbath 15 Amharic, Abyssinia (Nearly related to Ge-ez) One, Second, Third, Fourth, Fifth, Eve (of Sabbath), san-bat -Sabbath 16 Falasha (Language of the Jews of Abyssinia) One, Second, Third, Fourth, Fifth, Sixth, yini sanbat The Sabbath 17 Coptic / Egypt (A dead lang. for 200 years) The First Day, The 2nd Day, The 3rd Day, The 4th Day, The 5th Day, The 6th Day, pi sabbaton -The Sabbath 18 Orma or Galla South of Abyssinia (This language has two sets of names, the first being the oldest) Lady, Virgin Mary Day. Great or Festival Sabbath Second day. First Trade Day 3rd Day to the Sabbath. Second Trade Day 4th day to the Sabbath. Fourth (day), Fifth (day), Assembly (day), Last day of the half-week inclusive of 4th day. Little or Humble or Solemn Sabbath (A day of no ceremonial display and no work) 19 Tamashek or Towarek. (From ancient Lybian or Numidian). Atlas Mountains, Africa. First day, Second day, Third day, Fourth day, Fifth day, Assembly Day, a-hal es-sabt. -The Sabbath Day 20 Kabyle or Berber. (Ancient Numidian) North Africa Day the One (First) Day, the Two (2nd) Day, the Three (3rd) Day, the Four (4th) Day, the Fifth, The Assembly Day, ghas or wars assebt -The Sabbath Day 21 Hausa Central Africa) The One (1st), The Two (2nd), The Three (3rd), The Four (4th), The Fifth, The Assembly, assebatu -The Sabbath 22 Urdu or Hindustani (Muhammadan and Hindu, India) (Two names for the days) One to Sabbath. Sunday, 2nd to Sabbath. Moon-day, 3rd to Sabbath, Mars 4th to Sabbath, Mercury 5th to Sabbath, (Eve of Juma) Assembly (day), sanichar - Saturn shamba - Sabbath 23 Pashto or Afghan Afghanistan One to the Sabbath ,Two to Sabbath, Three to Sabbath, Four to Sabbath, Five to Sabbath, Assembly (day), khali Unemployed-day, Shamba - Sabbath
Re: [TruthTalk] Unchanged Week With Sabbath
The author of the study is unknown. But the author of the creation created a cycle of seven days that is common throughout the earth. It is a blessing that I appreciate. - Original Message - From: Terry Clifton To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, May 30, 2004 10:28 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Unchanged Week With Sabbath Looks like you did a really detailed study Marlin. What's your point? :-)TerryMarlin halverson wrote: Unchanged Week With Sabbath Old resource-Author unknown Showing the UNCHANGED ORDER of the Days and the true Position of the SABBATH, as proved by the combined testimony of Ancient and Modern Languages. No. LANGUAGE (Where Spoken, Read, or Otherwise Used) 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, Name of the SEVENTH DAY 1 Shemitic Hebrew Bible world-wide Day One, Day Second, Day Third, Day Fourth, Day Fifth, Day the Sixth, Yom hash-shab-bath Day - the Sabbath 2 Hebrew (Ancient and Modern) One into the Sabbath, Second into the Sabbath, Third into the Sabbath, Fourth into the Sabbath, Fifth into the Sabbath, Eve of Holy Sabbath, Shab-bath - Sabbath 3 Targum of Onkelos (Hebrew Literature) Day One, Day Second, Day Third, Day Fourth, Day Fifth, Day the Sixth, Yom hash-shab-bath Day - the Sabbath 4 Targum Dialect of the Jews in Kurdistan Day One of the Seven, Day 2nd of the Seven, Day 3rd of the Seven, Day 4th of the Seven, Day 5th of the Seven, Day of Eve (of Sabbath), yoy-met sha-bat kodesh - Holy Sabbath Day 5 Ancient Syriac *Each day proceeds on, and belongs to the Sabbath One into Sabbath, Two into Sabbath, Three into Sabbath, Four into Sabbath, Five into Sabbath, Eve (of Sabbath), Shab-ba-tho - Sabbath 6 Chaldee Syriac Kurdistan and Urdmia, Persia One into Sabbath, Two into Sabbath, Three into Sabbath, Four into Sabbath, Five into Sabbath, Eve (of Sabbath), Shap-ta - Sabbath 7 Samaritan (Old Hebrew Letters) Nablus, Palestine Day One Day, Second Day, Third Day, Fourth Day, Fifth Day, Sixth, Shab-bath -Sabbath 8 Babylonian Euphrates & Tigris Valleys Mesopotamia (Written lang. 3800 B.C.) First, Second, Third, Fourth, Fifth, Sixth, Sa-ba-tu - Sabbath 9 Assyrian Euphrates and Tigris Valleys, Mesopotamia First, Second, Third, Fourth, Fifth, Sixth, sa-ba-tu - Sabbath 10 Arabic (Very old names) Business Day, Light, Moon, War, Chief Turning Day or Midweek, Familiar or Society Day, Eve (of Sabbath), Shi-yar Chief or Rejoicing Day 11 Arabic (Ancient and Modern) Westn. Asia, E,W & N. Africa The One, The Two, The Three, The Four ,The Fifth, Assembly (day, Muham), as-sabt -The Sabbath 12 Maltese, Malta One (day), Two (and day), The 3 (3rd d.), The 4 (4th d.), Fifth (day), Assembly, Is-sibt -The Sabbath 13 Ge-ez or Ethiopic Abyssinia (Ge-ez signifies "original") One (day), Second, Third, Fourth, Fifth, Eve (of Sabbath), san-bat -Sabbath 14 Tigre Abyssinia (Closely related to Ge-ez) One (First day), Second, Third, Fourth, Fifth, Eve (of Sabbath), san-bat -Sabbath 15 Amharic, Abyssinia (Nearly related to Ge-ez) One, Second, Third, Fourth, Fifth, Eve (of Sabbath), san-bat -Sabbath 16 Falasha (Language of the Jews of Abyssinia) One, Second, Third, Fourth, Fifth, Sixth, yini sanbat The Sabbath 17 Coptic / Egypt (A dead lang. for 200 years) The First Day, The 2nd Day, The 3rd Day, The 4th Day, The 5th Day, The 6th Day, pi sabbaton -The Sabbath 18 Orma or Galla South of Abyssinia (This language has two sets of names, the first being the oldest) Lady, Virgin Mary Day. Great or Festival Sabbath Second day. First Trade Day 3rd Day to the Sabbath. Second Trade Day 4th day to the Sabbath. Fourth (day), Fifth (day), Assembly (day), Last day of the half-week inclusive of 4th day. Little or Humble or Solemn Sabbath (A day of no ceremonial display and no work) 19 Tamashek or Towarek. (From ancient Lybian or Numidian). Atlas Mountains, Africa. First day, Second day, Third day, Fourth day, Fifth day, Assembly Day, a-hal es-sabt. -The Sabbath Day 20 Kabyle or Berber. (Ancient Numidian) North Africa Day the One (First) Day, the Two (2nd) Day, the Three (3rd) Day, the Four (4th) Day, the Fifth, The Assembly Day, ghas or wars assebt -The Sabbath Day 21 Hausa Central Africa) The One (1st), The Two (2nd), The Three (3rd), The Four (4th), The Fifth, The Assembly, assebatu -The Sabbath 22 Urdu or Hindustani (Muhammadan and Hindu, India) (Two names for the days) One to Sabbath. Sunday, 2nd to Sabbath. Moon-day, 3rd to Sabbath, Mars 4th to Sabbath, Mercury 5th to Sabbath, (Eve of Juma) Assembly (day), sanichar - Saturn shamba - Sabba
Re: [TruthTalk] Oneness vs. Plurality -- Echad
Dear Slade, I have posted these links in the past because this is the most thorough study on the the nature of God I have found. Enjoy! http://www.cbcg.org/defining_oneness_intro.htm Defining The Oneness of God, The Scriptural Truth about the Oneness of God, by Carl D. Franklin, March 1994. Sub headings from Part One are, Modalistic Oneness, Trinitarian Oneness, Tritheistic Oneness, Ditheistic Oneness (Binitarian or Bi-personal), The Scriptural Meaning of One, One Used as a Cardinal Number, One Used as an Ordinal Number. Part Two covers One Used as a Physical Union of Individuals, One Used as a Spiritual Union of Individuals, One Used of Spiritual Unity with Jesus Christ, and One Used of the Spiritual Unity of Christ with the Father. Part Three talks about One Used to Show the Superiority of God, A Primary New Testament Example, and One Used to Show the Holiness of God. Part Four discusses One Used of the Testimony of God, and As One of Us Referring to Godlike Characteristics. Marlin - Original Message - From: Slade Henson To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2004 6:55 PM Subject: [TruthTalk] Oneness vs. Plurality -- Echad I would like to submit this small item for your consideration. Since the topic, recently, has been on the multiplicity of God versus His Oneness, I would like to supply a small contribution. This [rough draft] is a part of the Dissertation I am writing, so any constructive input is valuable to me. I have tried to remove most of the transliterations from the text to make it easier to read. There is a small series of footnotes at the bottom for those I may have missed.-- slade Defining Echad As Plurality Deuteronomy[1] 6:4, the watchword of the faith, tells us YHVH, Eloheinu[2] [our Elohim[3]], YHVH is one. The Hebrew word used for one is echad. People love to quote teachers who tell us echad means a unity. However, it does not always mean a unity; nor, it does not always mean a singularity either. We must carefully address the context of the passage or sentence in order to determine if echad is declaring a unity or a singularity. Genesis[4] 1:5, 2:24, and 11:6 provide three examples where echad is a unity, as opposed to a singularity. For instance, in Genesis 1:5, one morning and one evening constitutes one day. In Genesis 2:24, a woman and one man create one flesh; meanwhile in Genesis 11:6, the whole of humanity is considered one people. As shown, in all three examples given, the idea of completion or the coming-together can be easily seen. Elohim called the light day, and the darkness He called night. And there was evening and was morning, one [echad] day. (Genesis 1:5) Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and cling to his wife; and they shall become one [echad] flesh. (Genesis 2:24) In Malakhi 2:13-16, we see a wretched priesthood who is grievously sinning. The people were not learning the ways of YHVH from the very ones who were to be examples. The phrase she is thy companion used in verse 14 in the KJV really should be translated she is thy joining, indicating that the covenant of marriage does indeed make a man and a woman echad. Refer also to Ephesians 5:28-29 & 33, 1 Corinthians 12:12-14, 1 Corinthians 6:15-17, and 2 Corinthians 3:17. Further in the Ephesians text, Paul of Tarsus compares the joining of a man and his wife and the love and fear expected in that relationship with the Messiah and the Ekklesia (Ephesians 5:30-33). See also John 10:22-33, 17:20-23, And YHVH said, See, the people are (singular) one [echad], and their tongue is one to all of them. And this is what they are beginning to do, and now nothing will be impossible for them all which they purpose to do. (Genesis 11:6) The concept of more than one being defined as one is a readily accepted principle. In the United States of America, people were once taught the Pledge of Allegiance, which contains the phrase one nation, under God, indivisible This concept is not too hard to grasp. To continue with this thought, Exodus[5] 26:1-16 gives us an overview of the building of the Tabernacle[6]. The inner or lower section is constructed of 10 linen curtains. The curtains are held together with 50 gold clasps. Once together, the 10 curtains are called echad Tabernacle. (Exodus 13:13) The outer or upper section (Exodus 26:7-13) is called the tent. It is constructed out of 11 curtains of goat hair. These are held together by 50 bronze clasps and, as a unit, they are also called echad tent.[7] Additionally, the two large curtains together are called echad Mishkan. (Exodus 36:14-18) In the Greek New Testament, we have a Hebraic perspective one. In Revel
Re: [TruthTalk] Osama at the Pearly Gates
I find it interesting that our country trained this man to do what he does. --Marlin From the October 2001 Idaho Observer: Osama bin CIA? by Hari Heath "As our nation rallies to condemn our latest made for TV enemy, the terrorist Osama bin Laden, do we really know who this guy is? In 1986, he helped build the Khost tunnel complex, that the CIA was funding as a major arms storage depot, training facility and medical center for the Mujaheddin, deep under the mountains close to the Pakistan border. For the first time in Khost he set up his own training camp for Arab Afghans, who now increasingly saw this lanky, wealthy and charismatic Saudi as their leader. " http://proliberty.com/observer/20011005.htm
Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: 9/11 overview
Title: 9/11 overview ï Thank you for the link. I never knew about the destruction of WTC-7. I played the NBC and CBS videos posted on http://www.wtc7.net/. No plane hit WTC-7. To "pull" off a demolition of that magnitude, there had to be a great amount of planning in advance. I also did not know about the gag order placed upon Sibel Edmonds. --Marlin - Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 6:22 PM Subject: [TruthTalk] Fw: 9/11 overview - Original Message - From: Hughes Jonathan To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: September 10, 2004 16:16 Subject: 9/11 overview Interesting article covering an overview of 9/11 conspiracy, now referred to as the 9/11 Truth Movement. http://www.guerrillanews.com/intelligence/doc5233.html www.guerrillanews.com is actually a pretty good site overall and one I visit 4 or 5 times a week. Others that are worth while looking/wasting your time at: www.buzzflash.com www.propagandamatrix.com www.whatreallyhappened.com Jonathan Hughes Supervisor of Application Support Kingsway Financial 905-629-7888 x. 2471 This e-mail and any attachments contain confidential and privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, delete this e-mail and destroy any copies. Any dissemination or use of this information by a person other than the intended recipient is unauthorized and may be illegal. Thank you for your cooperation in connection with the above.Ce courriel ainsi que tous les documents sây rattachant contiennent de lâinformation confidentielle et privilÃgiÃe. Si vous nâÃtes pas le destinataire visÃ, s.v.p. en informer immÃdiatement son expÃditeur par retour de courriel, effacer le message et dÃtruire toute copie (Ãlectronique ou autre). Toute diffusion ou utilisation de cette information par une personne autre que le destinataire visà est interdite et peut Ãtre illÃgale. Merci de votre coopÃration relativement au message susmentionnÃ.
Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: 9/11 overview
Title: 9/11 overview What about those cell phone calls from the planes that crashed on 9/11? "American Airlines, Qualcom 'Finally Develop' brand new Technology which should allow passengers to use cell phone as early as 2006!" http://letsroll911.org/ipw-web/bulletin/bb/viewtopic.php?p=23188#23188
Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: 9/11 overview
Title: 9/11 overview I didn't know about the destruction of WTC-6, the eight-story U.S. Customs building, as shown on CNN either. --Marlin "A massive explosion, witnessed by millions of television viewers on CNN, evidently devastated World Trade Center 6, the eight-story U.S. Customs building, although no national newspaper, other than American Free Press, has written a word about it. Before the smoke had cleared from around the stricken South Tower, a mysterious explosion shot 550 feet into the air above the U.S. Customs House at WTC 6. FEMA has stated that there was "no data collection" from WTC #6. Interesting that without collecting any data they still managed to put together the official story that this building was destroyed by rubble from the collapse of the North Tower. But if so then one would expect to see the remains of the building covered by rubble. Instead we see a huge crater. Here is a closer look at WTC #6 after it was demolished." http://letsroll911.org/articles/controlleddemolition.html
Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: 9/11 overview
Title: 9/11 overview Not all that seems true is true. --Marlin Evidence of Controlled Demolitionby: Geronimo Jones 9-11, THE EXPLOSIVE TRUTH REVEALED It was a picture perfect day in September. I was watering some plants on my terrace and enjoying the unseasonably warm weather when I heard the sound of a plane flying low. Within seconds I watched in horror as the unthinkable unfolded, right in my backyard! The shock was overwhelming. My first thoughts was that it was a terrorist attack. This was confirmed by the news reports of Al Qaeda. But one thing the reporters left out was something I witnessed first hand. A very important omission at that! Seconds before the South Tower crumbled to its doom, I heard/felt a series of explosions. Same with the North Tower. There was no denying it, I could FEEL the vibrations of them like a small earthquake. Yet when I turned on the news none of the other eyewitnesses commented on this. Indeed, in the days that followed, like many Americans, I remained glued to the news networks to keep myself informed of any developments and confirm what I had witnessed. But despite the numerous eyewitness accounts, there was still no mention of the explosions. I decided to examine the evidence for myself http://letsroll911.org/articles/controlleddemolition.html The foundations were 70 feet deep. At that level, 47 huge box columns, connected to the bedrock, supported the entire gravity load of the structures. The steel walls of these lower box columns were 4 inches thick. This is where clean-up crew discovered hot spots of "literally molten steel" more than a month after the collapse. Such persistent and intense residual heat, 70 feet below the surface, required the help of a professional. A call was placed to Mark Loizeaux, president of Controlled Demolition, Inc. (CDI) who arrived on the WTC site two days later and wrote the clean-up plan for the entire operation American Free Press asked Loizeaux about the report of molten steel on the site. "Yes," he said, "hot spots of molten steel in the basements." These incredibly hot areas were found "at the bottoms of the elevator shafts of the main towers, down seven [basement] levels," Loizeaux said. The molten steel was found "three, four, and five weeks later, when the rubble was being removed," Loizeaux said. He said molten steel was also found at 7 WTC, which collapsed mysteriously in the late afternoon. What could have caused those box columns of 4-inch thick steel to melt like this?
Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: 9/11 overview
Title: 9/11 overview What am I missing here??? Izzy There were at least two other buildings that were demolished and the media did not draw attention to it. I never knew about these until I searched these sites and viewed the photographs again. The airplanes could not have done this, let alone the damage attributed to them in the twin towers. Check out the videos and studies posted at the sites. Take another look at the evidence. There is a great deal missing from 'official' reports. You just might be disillusioned. Marlin - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2004 7:23 PM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: 9/11 overview Marlin, Wouldnt you think that two collapsing buildings the size of the WTC would set off a lot of explosions (gas, etc.) in the process? Wouldnt it feel like an earthquake? What am I missing here??? Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlin HalversonSent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 10:44 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: 9/11 overview Not all that seems true is true. --Marlin Evidence of Controlled Demolitionby: Geronimo Jones 9-11, THE EXPLOSIVE TRUTH REVEALED It was a picture perfect day in September. I was watering some plants on my terrace and enjoying the unseasonably warm weather when I heard the sound of a plane flying low. Within seconds I watched in horror as the unthinkable unfolded, right in my backyard! The shock was overwhelming. My first thoughts was that it was a terrorist attack. This was confirmed by the news reports of Al Qaeda. But one thing the reporters left out was something I witnessed first hand. A very important omission at that! Seconds before the South Tower crumbled to its doom, I heard/felt a series of explosions. Same with the North Tower. There was no denying it, I could FEEL the vibrations of them like a small earthquake. Yet when I turned on the news none of the other eyewitnesses commented on this. Indeed, in the days that followed, like many Americans, I remained glued to the news networks to keep myself informed of any developments and confirm what I had witnessed. But despite the numerous eyewitness accounts, there was still no mention of the explosions. I decided to examine the evidence for myself http://letsroll911.org/articles/controlleddemolition.html The foundations were 70 feet deep. At that level, 47 huge box columns, connected to the bedrock, supported the entire gravity load of the structures. The steel walls of these lower box columns were 4 inches thick. This is where clean-up crew discovered hot spots of "literally molten steel" more than a month after the collapse. Such persistent and intense residual heat, 70 feet below the surface, required the help of a professional. A call was placed to Mark Loizeaux, president of Controlled Demolition, Inc. (CDI) who arrived on the WTC site two days later and wrote the clean-up plan for the entire operation American Free Press asked Loizeaux about the report of molten steel on the site. "Yes," he said, "hot spots of molten steel in the basements." These incredibly hot areas were found "at the bottoms of the elevator shafts of the main towers, down seven [basement] levels," Loizeaux said. The molten steel was found "three, four, and five weeks later, when the rubble was being removed," Loizeaux said. He said molten steel was also found at 7 WTC, which collapsed mysteriously in the late afternoon. What could have caused those box columns of 4-inch thick steel to melt like this?
[TruthTalk] Michael Rood
I just found out about an interesting teacher by the name of Michael Rood from some friends of mine. I am not in agreement with a number of his assertions, but he is way ahead of most. The following site features some of his video clips: http://www.aroodawakening.tv/rood/programs.html Enjoy, Marlin
Re: [TruthTalk] Michael Rood
In his "Truth and Tradition Episode 2," he claims that Jesus was born the first day of the Feast of Tabernacles, Tishri 15. But he follows this with astronomic proof that Jesus was born on Tishri 1, which I believe is the more probable Fall date. This is not much to quibble about. Rood's teaching is far closer to the Scriptural account than most of Western Christianity. - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 5:44 AM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Michael Rood Awesome. Thanks, Marlin! Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlin HalversonSent: Monday, February 07, 2005 12:04 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: [TruthTalk] Michael Rood I just found out about an interesting teacher by the name of Michael Rood from some friends of mine. I am not in agreement with a number of his assertions, but he is way ahead of most. The following site features some of his video clips: http://www.aroodawakening.tv/rood/programs.html Enjoy, Marlin
Re: [TruthTalk] The Future of TruthTalk
David M, how does this list work? Do you have a very large computer that automatically does it? I do not recall using yahoo to join up. --Marlin
[TruthTalk] Trailer of a new movie: Freedom to Fascism
Some of the content is about taxes, but there are prophetic ramifications to buying and selling and the mark of the beast. There are three media players to choose from for the preview. http://www.freedomtofascism.com/w_high.html
Re: [TruthTalk] 613 Commands
Dear friends, I was set straight about "the 613 commandments" by a friend and brother. He sent me this link and admonition: http://www.aish.com/literacy/mitzvahs/The_613_Commandments.asp The trappings of Judaism are a poor substitute for having the indwelling of God's spirit and being cleansed by the sacrifice of Jesus Christ. I thought that the 613 commandments had been derived from the scriptures alone. This is because a friend of mine had faithfully identified 659 identifiable commands from the scripture before, and later revised his study to identify many more. I had assumed that Jewish practitioners had gone through a similar faithful study to arrive at their number. When I saw the list posted at the above site, I found that some were and many were not derived out of the scripture. The 613 laws of Judaism contain some laws summarized from the scriptures, but many of their laws are merely Jewish traditions that use some scriptural reference that may be somewhat related to the idea, but are not laws recorded in the scripture. According to one source, Judaism has 2800 other rules. I wanted to let you know that I was wrong when I thought the so called "613 commandments" were from the scripture. Some are, but others are not. Love, Marlin - Original Message - From: Slade Henson To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 5:24 AM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] 613 Commands Hi Judy: 613 commands in the Torah, yes. Directly from God, not man. Why? Because God says Be Holy, because I AM holy. This is HOW a holy, set-apart people live. This is how you deal with this, this is how you deal with that. God has a whole system of government set up. Gee, too bad we didn't follow it in the first place. Maybe then our courts wouldn't be as messed up as they are. I don't understand WHY people freak out over 613 commands. They're reiterated in the newer Testament. In fact, the newer Testament contains 1,050 commands! Yeshua made the commands fuller, harder even. Yes, there are 613 commands. However, YOU don't have to follow each of them. There are commands for men, which you're not a man, so they don't apply. I know you're not a Levitical priest, so, whack away a whole SLEW of the 613. Let's see...how about instructions (law) for you in particular since you're a woman.Not to get personal, but I believe you're an older woman, correct? Well, then you can knock out the laws for Niddah (the monthly cycle) as well as the child bearing laws. When you were raising your children, didn't you have House Rules? Why did you give the Rules of the House to your children? To keep them safe? To keep order? To protect? God did the same thing for us. He's a loving Father who wants to keep His children safe and holy. Did you ever give your children a rule that they didn't understand? You knew the reasoning behind it and it was probably a good reason. God does the same thing. Every single one of the 613 fall under TWO categories. Every single law of the 613 have to do with either A. Loving God, or B. Loving your Neighbor. Funny, our house rules are just like that. I bet yours were, too. Kabbalah is something different, Judy. It's a much deeper spiritual application. I would not suggest reading it. There are also two different types of Kabbalah. God Himself says the laws He gives are "not far from you". It is NOT impossible. Maybe we should list all the laws and see exactly how many apply. Would that help? Being worn out due to learning a new one every day is something Paul was attempting for others coming in. It's what he speaks of in Acts...Kay's paraphrase Paul and the Council: Okay, we've got to DO something with these people coming in. We can't fellowship with them. They can't come into the sanctuary. In order to be able to do that...we have to give them these four rulesdon't fornicate, don't eat strangled foods, don't worship other idolsthey'll be coming to the synagogue every Shabbat. They'll be hearing the Torah when they come each week. It takes us three years to read the whole Torah. They can handle little bits of it each week. They'll learn. Slow, but sure, they'll build up and they'll learn. That's what we can do with them! Wow, we solved our problem! I've got lots of people in for the weekend. I won't be on much. Shall we look at ALL the laws and see what they are about? See which ones apply and then maybe we'll have a good number? Maybe after that, we should check out the 1050 in the Newer Testament and compare when we're done with that. Kay -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Judy TaylorSent: Thursday, 28 October, 2004 06.57To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Cc: [EMAI
Re: [TruthTalk] 613 Commands
Let us start with number 1: 1 To know there is a God, EXO 20:2 I Now the scripture merely makes a statement, not a command, "To know...". EXO 20:2 I [am] the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. Now, number 2: 2 Not to entertain thoughts of other gods besides Him, EXO 20:3 The scripture clearly says not to "have other Gods...," but Judaism says not to "entertain thoughts of other gods...". This is not accurate. EXO 20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me. Number 3: 3 To know that He is one Deut. 6:4 The scripture merely makes a declaration here. DEU 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God [is] one LORD: number 4: 4 To love Him Deut. 6:5 This is an abbreviated summary of the command to love God three ways. We have the first command of Judaism that resembles a direct command in the scripture. DEU 6:5 And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might. I could go on. The point is that there are plenty of beautiful commands clearly in the scripture. It is not necessary to invent new commands that may be obliquely related to ideas expressed in the scripture as Judaism has done. The commands of God are not the commands of Judaism. Marlin - Original Message - From: Slade Henson To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 05, 2004 11:02 PM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] 613 Commands Thank you for your post, Marlin. Now, if you'd be so kind, please return to that list at http://www.aish.com/literacy/mitzvahs/The_613_Commandments.asp and please list me the commands that are NOT found in Scripture. When you find this exercise fruitless, please understand that several commands are REPEATED... easily explaining this 659 number. -- slade -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Marlin HalversonSent: Friday, 05 November, 2004 22.44To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] 613 Commands Dear friends, I was set straight about "the 613 commandments" by a friend and brother. He sent me this link and admonition: http://www.aish.com/literacy/mitzvahs/The_613_Commandments.asp The trappings of Judaism are a poor substitute for having the indwelling of God's spirit and being cleansed by the sacrifice of Jesus Christ. I thought that the 613 commandments had been derived from the scriptures alone. This is because a friend of mine had faithfully identified 659 identifiable commands from the scripture before, and later revised his study to identify many more. I had assumed that Jewish practitioners had gone through a similar faithful study to arrive at their number. When I saw the list posted at the above site, I found that some were and many were not derived out of the scripture. The 613 laws of Judaism contain some laws summarized from the scriptures, but many of their laws are merely Jewish traditions that use some scriptural reference that may be somewhat related to the idea, but are not laws recorded in the scripture. According to one source, Judaism has 2800 other rules. I wanted to let you know that I was wrong when I thought the so called "613 commandments" were from the scripture. Some are, but others are not. Love, Marlin - Original Message - From: Slade Henson To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 5:24 AM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] 613 Commands Hi Judy: 613 commands in the Torah, yes. Directly from God, not man. Why? Because God says Be Holy, because I AM holy. This is HOW a holy, set-apart people live. This is how you deal with this, this is how you deal with that. God has a whole system of government set up. Gee, too bad we didn't follow it in the first place. Maybe then our courts wouldn't be as messed up as they are. I don't understand WHY people freak out over 613 commands. They're reiterated in the newer Testament. In fact, the newer Testament contains 1,050 commands! Yeshua made the commands fuller, harder even. Yes, there are 613 commands. However, YOU don't have to follow each of them. There are commands for men, which you're not a man, so they don't apply. I know you're not a Levitical priest, so, whack away a whole SLEW of the 613. Let's see...how about instructions (law) for you in particular since you're a woman.Not to get personal, but I believe you're an older woman, correct? Well, then you can knock out the laws for Niddah (the monthly cycle) as well as the child bearing laws. When y
Re: [TruthTalk] 613 Commands
Slade, You can accuse me of nit picking. I only tell you the truth. The 613 points are paraphrased interpretations of scripture by Judaism at best. They may or may not be the actual commandments from the scripture. The rigors of tradition have a form of religion and its own sense of righteousness. But traditions are niether the commandments nor the righteousness of God. Take for instance # 76 76 To say the Shema twice daily, Deut. 6:7 This is not a law of God. It does not resemble its scriptural reference. This point of Judaism may actually require vain repetitions. The actual verse commands me to teach my children the scriptures in various locations and times. DEU 6:7 And thou shalt teach them diligently unto thy children, and shalt talk of them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, and when thou liest down, and when thou risest up. Now take #79 79 To wear tefillin on the head Deut. 6:8 Certainly the commands are so near and dear that they are as an adornment that one may wear on the forehead. But this says to wear leather cubes containing scriptural texts inscribed on parchment on the head literally. This was not the command of God: DEU 6:8 And thou shalt bind them for a sign upon thine hand, and they shall be as frontlets between thine eyes. Jesus strongly rebuked those who wore such tokens for show, saying, "..all their works they do for to be seen of men: they make broad their phylacteries, and enlarge the borders of their garments, And love the uppermost rooms at feasts, and the chief seats in the synagogues..." (Matthew 23:1-3,5-6 KJV) Jesus warned about the dangers of replacing God's Law, or attempting to obey God's Law with one's own laws and traditions, saying, "This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me. But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men ... Every plant, which my heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up." (Matthew 15:8-9,13 KJV) Jesus obeyed the law perfectly in every way, and was the perfect sacrifice. He did not wear such physical things as an example to us. He lived our example in thought and deed. His life demonstrates what the commandment of Deut. 6:8 means. Marlin - Original Message - From: Slade Henson To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2004 6:09 PM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] 613 Commands C'mon, Marlin, you're nit picking here. Accuracy is not necessary when there are a lot of different ways to translate a passage. As far as#1, the first commandment IS to know God. You just have a different perspective on it. #2 is just another way of looking at Ex 20.3 #3 is not a dogmatic statement in Hebrew. Where is the verb after HEAR O Israel??? Find it and perhaps you'll understand. These are not newly invented commands. They are synopses of Scripture. If the author had placed the whole translated passage I get the sense you'd still find fault with it because the rendering doesn't fit with your personal favorite translation. It's all Scripture. Not a SINGLE ONE originates outside Scripture. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Marlin HalversonSent: Saturday, 06 November, 2004 16.29To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] 613 Commands Let us start with number 1: 1 To know there is a God, EXO 20:2 I Now the scripture merely makes a statement, not a command, "To know...". EXO 20:2 I [am] the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. Now, number 2: 2 Not to entertain thoughts of other gods besides Him, EXO 20:3 The scripture clearly says not to "have other Gods...," but Judaism says not to "entertain thoughts of other gods...". This is not accurate. EXO 20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me. Number 3: 3 To know that He is one Deut. 6:4 The scripture merely makes a declaration here. DEU 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God [is] one LORD: number 4: 4 To love Him Deut. 6:5 This is an abbreviated summary of the command to love God three ways. We have the first command of Judaism that resembles a direct command in the scripture. DEU 6:5 And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might. I could go on. The point is that there are plenty of beautiful commands clearly in the scripture. It is not necessary to invent new commands that may be obliquely related to ideas expressed in the scripture as Judaism has done. The commands of God are not the commands of Judaism. Marlin
Re: [TruthTalk] 613 Commands
I appreciated your previous post , Kay, and shared it with others. It was they who alerted me to the 613 extrapolated points of Judaism not being exactly what is in the scriptures. Your observations about what would apply hold true, however, for the actual commandments that are in the scripture, regardless of the total number of them. --Marlin - Original Message - From: Slade Henson To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 6:47 PM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] 613 Commands Slade's wife willingly obeys God's commands. I am not under 613. I believe I already did a post regarding thisthere are not 613 commands for any ONE person. There are commands for just men, just women, just Levites, etc. Last I checked, I was not a man. None of the laws concerning men concern me. Nor am I a Levite, none of those laws concern me (and there are a TON of those). I'm not a part of the Sanhedrin ( a judge in a court), nor am I a King of a country, I don't own a company or have hired employees, I don't have any slaves. Are you getting the picture? Should we disobey the laws for moral character? Don't be afraid of the number...your state has a ton more laws than Scripture on its statutes. Kay
Re: [TruthTalk] unsubscribe
I have always appreciated your contributions. You will be missed. --Marlin - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 22, 2004 7:41 PM Subject: [TruthTalk] unsubscribe I have come to the conclusion (duh!) that my participation on TT is not a worthwhile contribution. I need to use my time wisely as a faithful steward. Please unsubscribe me. Thanks and blessings to each one of you. Let me know when you figure it all out. Just remember, its not what you know but Who you know. See you on the other side. J Izzy
Re: Re: [TruthTalk] Tearing down?
Do you think that the law is sin - Original Message - From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 8:30 PM Subject: Re: Re: [TruthTalk] Tearing down? > David Miller wrote: > > I had asked in that post if Slade considered a widow > > who had married another man to have a "renewed" > > marriage contract or a new one. > > Slade wrote: > > The logic is wrong here. We are the widow who are then > > able to marry our True Husband. We are not divorced from > > Torah of Moses to marry Messiah, we are divorced from > > the "Torah of sin" (to quote D.Stern, I think) to marry Messiah. > > There are two questions involved here. First, I was just asking whether or > not a widow who married again was considered to have a renewed or new > marriage contract. Can I assume that your answer here is that a widow who > married again has a new marriage contract? > > The second question concerns the passage in Romans. You say that we are not > divorced from "Torah of Moses" to marry Messiah, but rather we are divorced > from "Torah of sin." Let's examine that, but first let me affirm that we > are indeed to divorce from the Torah of sin, and to consider ourselves dead > to the Torah of sin, that we might be married to Messiah. We agree on that, > but not on the Torah of Moses thing. Look at the passage for yourself. > > Romans 7:3-13 > (3) So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she > shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from > that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another > man. > (4) Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body > of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised > from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God. > (5) For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the > law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death. > (6) But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were > held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of > the letter. > (7) What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known > sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou > shalt not covet. > (8) But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of > concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead. > (9) For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin > revived, and I died. > (10) And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto > death. > (11) For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it > slew me. > (12) Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and > good. > (13) Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, > that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that > sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful. > > Verse 3. Clearly this is Torah of Moses. The Torah of Moses is what > prohibits adultery, but releases the woman to remarry in the case of death. > The Torah of sin does not prohibit adultery. So verse 3 is speaking about > the Torah of Moses. Agreed? > > Verse 4. You believe that this verse is talking about Torah of sin while I > believe it continues to talk about Torah of Moses. Why do I believe that? > Because of the previous and subsequent verses. > > Verse 5. The motions of sin, which were by the law... which law? The law > of Moses, as he explains in verse 6 & 7. > > Verse 6. Now we are delivered from the law... which law? The law of Moses, > as he explains in verses 7 & 8. > > Verse 7. Is the law sin? Well, if we were talking about the law of sin, > the answer would be yes, but no, we are talking about the law of Moses. > Therefore, verses 4, 5, & 6 leading up to this verse clearly has the law of > Moses in view. This is most abundantly clear by what follows next. He > actually quotes the law: I had not know lust, except the law had said, > 'Thou shalt not covet.' Which law is this? Clearly not the law of sin, but > the law of Moses. What Paul is explaining here is an interaction between > the law of Moses and the law of sin in our members. > > Verse 8. Without the law, sin was dead. Which law? Again, it is the law > of Moses. > > Look at verse 11: sin taking occasion by the commandment... which > commandment? The commandment that comes from the law of Moses. > > I could go on and on, but surely you get the point. The law Paul speaks > about here is the law of Moses. He specifically quotes a commandment of > that law (thou shalt not covet). More importantly, he is talking about a > kind of relationship with the law, a covenant, whereby one seeks to be > justified before God through observing the law of Moses. I believe you have > used the word "legalism" to describe this
Re: [TruthTalk] The Mind of Christ
1CO 11:18 For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it. 1CO 11:19 For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you. - Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Saturday, December 25, 2004 9:46 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The Mind of Christ What referencest thou here, Terry? Division? Discord? Disagreement? Never! Well. - Original Message - From: Terry Clifton To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: December 25, 2004 08:27 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The Mind of Christ Grace to allPeace you will find elsewhereJD ==Has anyone else noticed how Satan is able to use God's own words to divide us, even on this day set aside to show God's love for man and man's love for our Savior?Well said John. No peace here today. Not even a truce.Terry
[TruthTalk] 200 million Christians being persecuted
I am weary of the bickering. But I thought I'd share this with TruthTalk. According to Charles Colson, more than 200 million Christians are being persecuted today. Having this realization puts things into perspective. Please check out: "Women and Children First, Defining the Face of Persecution," BreakPoint with Charles Colson, November 7, 2003, Commentary #031107 "The face of suffering is a female face," observes Marli Spieker, founder of Trans World Radio's "Women of Hope" broadcast. In Indonesia she met a young woman who had refused to deny Christ. So a jihad member put a gun into her mouth and said "Let's see your God help you now." Then he pulled the trigger. Miraculously, she survived, but she was horribly disfigured. It's the face of Soon Ok Lee, a Christian and former prisoner in a North Korean concentration camp. She testified before the Senate that Christians are assigned to the cast iron factory, the most dangerous place in the gulag. She saw a group of elderly Christians killed, one-by-one, doused with molten iron because they would not deny Christ. http://www.pfm.org/BPtemplate.cfm?Section=BreakPoint_Commentaries1&CONTENTID=10842&TEMPLATE=/ContentManagement/ContentDisplay.cfm The most important thing is to not violate one's conscience before God, who can even take a Christian killer like Paul and make him to serve the brethren whom he had previously persecuted. Paul did not violate his own conscience before his conversion, and God converted him. After his eyes were opened to the truth, he followed it. I believe that so long as we have a heart to hear what the Holy Spirit says to the churches, and follow God, He will straighten out the errors of our ways. --Marlin
Re: [TruthTalk] 200 million Christians being persecuted
REV 2:7 {He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.} - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 6:23 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] 200 million Christians being persecuted thx for the purty pink backgrounds, Iz--i borrowed 'em from your post/s:) is JC having the final word here--or Marlin On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 16:14:26 -0600 "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Oh, well, youre forgiven. J Izzy -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Terry CliftonSent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 3:07 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] 200 million Christians being persecuted Boy, I must be getting old! I don't remember just reading a scriptural defense, or attacking you.
[TruthTalk] the meatrix
If you have not yet seen the Meatrix animation, please do.http://themeatrix.com/
Re: [TruthTalk] The end of Art
Thanks for the link. Amorality was already pervasive in the '80s. What has masqueraded as "art" has been an attack on values, funded by the NEA and other 'charities.' I was involved with art and music for a large portion of my life. Some of my writing for art exhibitions that I curated has been published. A journal called Experimental Musical Instruments reprinted some of my writings. EMI Back Issues Volumes 1 & 2, 6/1985-4/1987... Marlin Halverson's Sonic Art exhibition catalog was published for the Sonic ArtExhibition at the Art Gallery at California State College in San Bernardino ... www.windworld.com/emi/back_issues/bi1-2.htm - 72k - Cached - Similar pages EMI Back Issues Volumes 9 & 10, 9/1993-6/1995... [Additional keywords: flowerpots, homemade instruments, idiophones]. "Environmentand Process": Marlin Halverson. 5 pages; 10 photos; 1 drawing. ... www.windworld.com/emi/back_issues/bi9-10.htm - 63k - Cached - Similar pages - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 12:05 PM Subject: [TruthTalk] The end of Art I agree with The End of Art, by Vox Day: http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=35051.
Re: [TruthTalk] Questions
I am not sure who wrote the following: [When 'peace in the world' emerges from y'all and Marlin keepin' the commandments together, let me know--I may sign up for the choir ] : Marlin: Keeping the commandments will not bring peace. That will take the return of Jesus Himself. For the time being, Jesus says: {Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.}And it came to pass, when Jesus had made an end of commanding his twelve disciples, he departed thence to teach and to preach in their cities. MAT 10:34, and 11:1 - Original Message - > Dave H: You oughta be real proud of these two TTrs--they've convinced each other to be like Brigham Young:) > >> > -- "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> > Slade wrote:> >..The commandments and the Spirit > > are intended as [our]guides > > --> > <<..we can return to live with God if we keep His commandments...> > > Our Father in Heaven gives His children commandments because He loves them... > > Obeying God's commandments may sometimes seem like a sacrifice, but He will bless you for your obedience with "peace in this world, and eternal life in the world to come" (Doctrine and Covenants 59:23).>>> > http://www.mormon.org/learn/0,8672,856-1,00.html> > BTW/FTR, the foregoing mormon.org site is linked to this one, the Internet's oldest Freemason site at MIT:> > http://web.mit.edu/dryfoo/Masonry/Essays/> > Actually, maybe DavidM and Slade are more like JS than BY; what do you think??)> > > > > The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand!> Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER!> Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!> --> "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org> > If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.>
Re: [TruthTalk] PAGAN WOLF FAQ
What emerged as "Christianity" is actually paganism. Most of the holidays and many beliefs and observances of modern day "Christians" are Pagan, and promoted by hierarchical groups. The name of Jesus has been appropriated by paganism. What we have are some Pagans, calling themselves "Christians" who have persecuted other Pagans, who have not converted to the paganism masquerading as "Christianity." --Marlin - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 3:38 PM Subject: [TruthTalk] PAGAN WOLF FAQ > From: "Arsene Lupin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > JT: You say that paganism is so old, even older than Christianity and > then refer to pagans being harrassed, tortured and killed by > institutionalized religion Christianity included. Christianity wasn't > institutionalized until 345 AD under Constantine. ... -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
Re: [TruthTalk] PAGAN WOLF FAQ
- Original Message - From: "Arsene Lupin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 10:04 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] PAGAN WOLF FAQ > TPW: I heard that song and dance before. "Those were not TRUE Christians". > And we didn't appropriate Jesus' name. In fact history reveals that many > missionaries merely sought to divert the followers and say "this is whom you > worship now"... Marlin: Somebody appropriates Jesus' name and deceives many: MAT 24:5 {For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.}MAR 13:6 {For many shall come in my name, saying, I am [Christ]; and shall deceive many.}LUK 21:8 And he said, {Take heed that ye be not deceived: for many shall come in my name, saying, I am [Christ]; and the time draweth near: go ye not therefore after them.} Couple Jesus' prophesy with "Christian" practices that are Pagan, but superimpose the name of Jesus Christ. If Pagans did not appropriate Jesus' name, then what we have is a synthesis or a hybrid that has emerged with practices of the one, and a name from the other.
Re: [TruthTalk] Christmas Trees
http://members.iinet.net.au/~gregga/hebrew/xmastree.html The Pagan Origin of The Christmas Tree The concept of the Christmas Tree originated around 3000 B.C. in ancient Egypt with King Osiris and Queen Isis.After the untimely death of King Osiris, his wife, Isis, propogated the demonic doctrine of the survival of Osiris as a spirit. She claimed a full grown evergreen tree sprang overnight from a dead stump, symbolising the new life of the Osiris spirit from his death. On each anniversary of Osiris birth, which was the date we now know as December 25th, Isis would leave gifts around this tree. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 05, 2003 9:22 AM Subject: [TruthTalk] Christmas Trees I remember last year we had a big thread about Christmas trees. I came across this while planning my calendar for Parents Day Out and thought it was interesting. Laura The tradition of decorating the Paradeisbaum, or Paradise trees, originated in Europe. Christians would celebrate the holiday on Christmas Eve by acting out important events in Scripture. One of the skits that was performed was the 'The Garden of Eden' scene. Since it was the wintertime in Europe it was not possible to find an apple tree with apples, so an evergreen tree would be substituted. The actors first hung apples on their "Paradise Trees", later adding other adornments such as dried fruits and nuts. The increase in popularity of the Paradeisbaum is attributed to Martin Luther. It is believed that he first added lighted candles to his Paradise Tree after walking home through the woods one winter evening. He was in the midst of composing a sermon and was awestruck by the brilliance of the millions of twinkling stars above the evergreens. So inspired by the beauty of God's creation, he cut down an evergreen and brought it home to his family, then wired lighted candles to the tree to recreate the starlit scene. Paradise trees eventually became known as 'Christ Trees', then Christmas Trees. It is believed that Christmas trees were brought to America by Germans that immigrated to Pennsylvania. The diary of Matthew Zahm of Lancaster, Pennsylvania, records the introduction of the Christmas tree being brought to the New World December 20, 1821.
Re: [TruthTalk] Christmas Trees
The song goes: Oh Christmas tree, oh Christmas tree,how lovely are thy branches ... Men seem to want to idolize the creation or themselves. This is the basis for every holiday that men have devised in opposition to the holy days and sabbaths that God created. God gives those who love not the truth over to strong delusion. [2TH 2:11] The biblical evidence clearly shows that Jesus was born in the Fall, not in the dead of winter. Furthermore, the celebration of birthdays is actually foreign to the people of God. The scripture shows that there would be false Christs, even those who claim that Jesus is the Christ, and yet would deceive many. John writes that "...no lie is of the truth." 1JO 2:21 The truth cannot come out of a lie. It ought to be asked: "Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator...?" ROM 1:25 There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof [are] the ways of death. PRO 14:12 There is a way that seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof [are] the ways of death. PRO 16:25 John admonishes us: "Little children, keep yourselves from idols. Amen." 1JO 5:21 For those who do not care for the truth: "Have yourself a Merry Little Christmas..." But the truth of God, both bitter and sweet, fulfills. With Jesus; the Truth, Way and Life; as our daily bread, our bread of life, we are promissed eternal life. That "evergreen tree" that you cut down for one holiday is going to die. Love, Marlin P.S.: Thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them. For the customs of the people [are] vain: for [one] cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe. They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not. They [are] upright as the palm tree, but speak not: they must needs be borne, because they cannot go. Be not afraid of them; for they cannot do evil, neither also [is it] in them to do good. Forasmuch as [there is] none like unto thee, O LORD; thou [art] great, and thy name [is] great in might. Who would not fear thee, O King of nations? for to thee doth it appertain: forasmuch as among all the wise [men] of the nations, and in all their kingdoms, [there is] none like unto thee. But they are altogether brutish and foolish: the stock [is] a doctrine of vanities. JER 10:2-8 - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2003 11:14 AM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Christmas Trees Laura, Can we hold off on the discussion of nativity sets until we have resolved this Christmas tree issue first? Do you really think that what is pagan for some may not be pagan for others??? Isnt this a classic example of humanistic moral relativism? The main question is not what someone feels is pagan. (God doesnt really care about our feelings when judgment day arrives, does He?) The question should be, I think, what does the Lord say is pagan? Can we discuss it from that angle? Ideas, anyone? How do we discover whether or not the Lord considers having a Christmas tree is an ungodly practice from the Lords point of view? Marlin has brought up this issue several times, and I think it would be a good thing to discuss as a group. Izzy -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Friday, December 05, 2003 11:50 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Fwd: [TruthTalk] Christmas Trees Below is more from the site Marlin recommended. Note that it also mentions the fruitlike tree from the garden of Eden. Interesting that it is also mentioned in the article I posted. Personally I think that if someone feels a Christmas Tree is pagan and if it doesn't represent the "symbols" associated with Christmas then it is wrong for them to have a tree. I like the tree as a symbol and the lights and ornaments and other decorations. In no way am I intending to put down Marlin. My intent is only to point out that what is pagan for some may not be pagan for others. Question: Would any of you consider Nativity sets idols? Just curious. Laura During the Middle Ages, the Germans believed the evergreen trees were especially imbued with life since they remained green throughout all of winter. Greenery was prominent in pagan winter celebrations in honour of the tree spirit or spirit of fertility.The Romans trimmed the trees with trinkets and toys at that time of year. The Druids tied gilded apples to tree branches. For many, a tree decorated with orbs and fruit-like object symbolis
[TruthTalk] "The X-Mas Files"
If you want to remove the delusions of X-mas, check out Ken Hoeck's site: "...Well, its nearly that time of year when people will partake, mostly in ignorance, in the revelry of the ancient celebrations of the Saturnalia and Brumalia in what is today called Christmas. The ancient celebration of the return of the sun complete with the ancient pagan trappings and painted Christian veneer can be read about online at the following pages of notes & quotes that we call - "The Truth On Christmas: The X-Mas Files":http://members.aol.com/KHoeck777/NwsClpz/xmasvol1.html : X-mas Files Volume Onehttp://members.aol.com/KHoeck777/NwsClpz/xmasvol2.html : X-mas Files Volume Twohttp://members.aol.com/KHoeck777/NwsClpz/xmasvol3.html : X-mas Files Volume Threehttp://members.aol.com/KHoeck777/NwsClpz/xmasvol4.html : X-mas Files Volume Fourhttp://members.aol.com/KHoeck777/NwsClpz/xmasvol5.html : X-mas Files Volume Five"
Re: [TruthTalk] Christmas Trees
David M.: "Say what? Are you trying to say that I am a false Christ because I claim that Jesus is the Christ?..." Hello David M., I do not know whether Jesus was referring to you or not. That is between you and Him. I merely believe what Jesus said about those who would use his name after His departure to heaven. He said that many coming in His name would deceive many. For clarification, I refer to these scriptures. MAT 24:24 {For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if [it were] possible, they shall deceive the very elect.}MAR 13:22 {For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if [it were] possible, even the elect.} MAT 24:5 {For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.}MAR 13:6 {For many shall come in my name, saying, I am [Christ]; and shall deceive many.}LUK 21:8 And he said, {Take heed that ye be not deceived: for many shall come in my name, saying, I am [Christ]; and the time draweth near: go ye not therefore after them.} Why do the many wish to learn the way of the heathen in order to remember Jesus? The scripture says "Thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the heathen." [JER 10:2] Jesus did leave a record of something to do in remembrance of Him. It had nothing to do with cutting down trees or celebrating his birth. It instead focuses upon the tree upon which He was hung, upon His death, and upon His resurrection, His earnest desire to keep the Passover with His disciples, and His ascension to the Father on the wave sheaf day. LUK 22:19 And he took bread, and gave thanks, and brake [it], and gave unto them, saying, {This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me.}1CO 11:24 And when he had given thanks, he brake [it], and said, {Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me.}1CO 11:25 After the same manner also [he took] the cup, when he had supped, saying, {This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink [it], in remembrance of me.} I'll take the real remembrance over a counterfeit any day. If any man asks, I will tell them of the real remembrance, and not a counterfeit. {Or what man is there of you, whom if his son ask bread, will he give him a stone?} MAT 7:9 {If a son shall ask bread of any of you that is a father, will he give him a stone? or if [he ask] a fish, will he for a fish give him a serpent?} LUK 11:11 There is one exception to sharing the truth with others, but it is not always easy for me to discern the situation until it is too late: {Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.} MAT 7:6 Love, Marlin - Original Message - From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2003 9:49 PM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Christmas Trees > Marlin wrote:> > Men seem to want to idolize the creation or themselves. > > This is the basis for every holiday that men have devised > > in opposition to the holy days and sabbaths that God created.> > God gives those who love not the truth over to strong delusion.> > ... the celebration of birthdays is actually foreign to the > > people of God. > > Bah humbug. We have seen this spirit of Scrooge before. What good thing> comes from it?> > Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and> unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is> defiled. (Titus 1:15 KJV)> > I'm looking forward to celebrating Christ's birth this year. It is a> wonderful time with the family. I have a 13 foot Christmas tree all> decked out with lights and ornaments in my living room. We will> exchange presents on Christmas day and tell about Jesus and his birth> and spread the joy of Christ around. Praise the Lord. Many> opportunities will arise to speak to others about Jesus Christ during> this wonderful holiday. Songs of glory and praise will be made unto> Jesus in public places and door to door. Glory be to God in the highest> for this opportunity to preach Christ to the world. The atheists and> secular humanists are trying to outlaw Christmas and many Messianics> join them, but they will not prevail because Jesus is the Christ and> mere men cannot stamp out the Spirit of Christ. Jesus is Lord of the> Christians and the secularists. As long as believers in Christ have> breath, we will declare his birth, his ministry, his death,
Re: [TruthTalk] Christmas trees
I did not write that, Izzy did. - Original Message - From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2003 9:36 AM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Christmas trees > Marlin wrote: > > So, while I am not convinced that Christmas trees, > > or celebrating Christmas on Dec 25th for that matter, > > are pagan/sinful practices, I'm willing to hear > > Marlin out as often as he wants to discuss it. > > To me, it's one of those scripturally > > not-specifically-spelled-out situations. > > One problem is that Marlin, like many on this issue, does not discuss > the matter. He simply states his position and lists all manner of links > and the writings of others to make his case. The information he > presents is full of holes, and when these problems were pointed out last > year, there was little or no response. Now he presents the same old > arguments all over again as if it has not already been discussed. He > even presents the same Scriptures. > > If someone wants to discuss Christmas trees, that would be fine, but to > just blast shotguns of information upon people who celebrate Christmas > produces no good fruit as far as I can see. It seems to me that he just > does not celebrate Christmas and has some kind of chip on his shoulder > toward those who do. Maybe he is upset that Christmas is more > celebrated in our culture than the Jewish moedim. This seems to be the > same problem with those of us who give greater honor to observing the > Lord's Day of resurrection rather than the Jewish Sabbath on Saturnday. > :-) > > Peace be with you. > David Miller, Beverly Hills, Florida. > > -- > "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org > > If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. > -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
Re: [TruthTalk] Christmas Trees
David M.: But what seems odd in what you wrote was that they would say that Jesusis the Christ, and then at the same time say that they are the Christ.The false Christs, the ones coming bearing his name as their own, do notsay that Jesus is the Christ, do they? Marlin: Yes there are two categories here. 1) Those saying that He is the Christ. Note the definite article "the," and what follows, the many deceive many by saying He is the Christ. 2) False Christs. Note the plural nature of the word Christs. a) Some teach fake Christs instead of the real Christ, counterfeits that look like the genuine b) Some personify saviors, and "shew great signs and wonders," and get followings after themselves instead of leading others to the true Christ. This type of the false Christs could refer back to the many who deceive the many by saying He is the Christ. David M.: Clearly this Word was spoken to Israel concerning the heathen nationswhich cut down trees and built false gods out of them. This in no waycorresponds to Gentiles celebrating Christmas, the birth of JesusChrist. The similarity of trees being involved is no more compelling toyour argument than if they were building a house out of the trees andyou were against building houses out of trees. Marlin: You presume to be a Gentile. In the early Church, those Gentiles who turned to God did not identify with their past heritage or ways. They repented. Notice: Ye know that ye were Gentiles, carried away unto these dumb idols, even as ye were led. 1CO 12:2 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in [them]; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. 2CO 6:16 For they themselves shew of us what manner of entering in we had unto you, and how ye turned to God from idols to serve the living and true God; 1TH 1:9 Little children, keep yourselves from idols. Amen. 1JO 5:21 They turned from their idolatrous ways. David M.: But you make it sound like one substitutes Christmas for the Eucharist.That is not at all what happens. In fact, many churches celebrate theEucharist on Christmas Eve. They are not mutually exclusivecelebrations. I make no such sound. All those counterfiets are not the genuine truth. David M.: Hanukah was not a divinely commanded celebration. Marlin: True. It is not commanded. It is Jewish tradition. It is something foreign to me. David M.: What do you mean, "real remembrance" over a counterfeit? What is thereal remembrance of his birth? Do you or anybody else know?.Well then, tell us. What is the real remembrance of which you speak? Marlin: The real remembrance is in the holy days and Sabbaths that God commanded to be kept as memorials. These are the days that men reject infavor of fables. Notice: And they shall turn away [their] ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. 2TI 4:4 Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth. TIT 1:14 For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty. 2PE 1:16
Re: [TruthTalk] HAPPY YULE DAY!!
Izzy: "The best argument I've heard yet for Believers to NOT have a Christmas tree." Again, Gentiles who turned to God did not identify with their past heritage or ways. They repented: Ye know that ye were Gentiles, carried away unto these dumb idols, even as ye were led. 1CO 12:2 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in [them]; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. 2CO 6:16 For they themselves shew of us what manner of entering in we had unto you, and how ye turned to God from idols to serve the living and true God; 1TH 1:9 Little children, keep yourselves from idols. Amen. 1JO 5:21 --Marlin -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
Re: [TruthTalk] flu shots
David: Exodus 15:26 says, "I will put none of these diseases upon thee, > which I have brought upon the Egyptians." If God gives me such a > promise, it would be nothing but doubt and unbelief for me to inject > myself or my family with these same diseases with the idea that I am > going to protect myself from them. Marlin: We agree on this! -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
[TruthTalk] "Mad Cow Disease"
Dear Loved Ones: "Mad Cow Disease" is in the news again. I believe that Mark Purdey has discovered the answers surrounding this mysterious plague. Please visit the links to his site below and read what he has to say. If you love truth, I believe you will appreciate the work of this hero. Love, Marlin http://www.markpurdey.com/articles.htm http://www.markpurdey.com/index.html http://www.markpurdey.com/science_the_origins_of_bse.htm "Chernobyl and BSE ? But what about the more aggressive, new strain of TSE the massive epidemic of BSE/vCJD that suddenly blighted the UKs young cattle and human population post November 1986? Did this big time epidemic result from an overexposure to the artificial sources of the eco-prerequisites that we are talking about here? In this respect, it seems likely that the UKs BSE and vCJD epidemics were caused by the simultaneous exposure of cattle, cats, humans and zoo animals to a toxic combination of factors - the widely used copper-chelating organo dithiophosphate (OP) insecticides (35) and the fall out of radioactive metals from the Chernobyl eruption (20). During the 1980s British cattle herds and humans were exposed to exclusively high doses of these insecticides for warble fly and head lice control respectively (42), whereupon the prion proteins of the OP treated animals were starved of their copper co partners (35). This rendered the prion protein vulnerable to binding up with certain rogue replacement metals, such as the radioactive strontium 90, which were rained down at high concentrations onto the soils of NW Europe after the Chernobyl accident (20) the precise region that later became the worlds most intensive hotspot of BSE." "The so called infectivity of the prion is a misnomer and should be correctly defined as the magnetic/ reactive free radical generating capacity of the Mn3+ component of the prion; which remains active at all temperatures below the 550 degree curie point. TSE can be likened to a solar charged battery on continuous charge; where the Mn contaminated/Cu depleted circadian pathways absorb and pile up, rather than conducting the vital life force energies of incoming ultra violet, acoustic and geomagnetic radiation. Instead of harnessing these energies for the bodys own bio-rhythmic requirements, an infrasonic shock induced metamorphosis of the Mn atom intervenes ; initiating an explosive free radical mediated pathogenesis that perverts the healthy pathways of sound and light; Cu prions are replaced by hyperpolarized Mn prions that seed self perpetuating cluster bombs of radical mediated neurodegeneration. TSE ensues." - "An impartial study of the epidemiology of BSE/vCJD suggests that the conventional consensus on the origins of BSE/vCJD is severely flawed (4)(5)(6) for the following reasons; 1. BSE has failed to surface in the cattle populations of the Middle East, India, Africa, North America, Third World countries, etc, despite these countries receiving substantial tonnages of the BSE incriminated meat and bone meal (MBM) imported from the UK from the 1960s onwards (7). UK MBM was exported either in its straight feed form or as an inclusion in cattle concentrate feeds (7). 2. 40,000 + cases of BSE have erupted in UK cows that were born after the 1988 ban on MBM entering cattle feed, and more recently, 22 cases of BSE have erupted in cows born after the 1996 ban on MBM going into animal feeding stuffs designated for all types of domestic animal (8). Furthermore, some BSE endemic countries have experienced a greater total number of BSE cases in cattle born after their respective MBM bans than in cows born before. 3. There have been no reported cases of BSE in TSE susceptible species, such as sheep and goats (8), despite the customary inclusion of an MBM protein source in their concentrated feeds. 4. Four of the original five Kudu antelopes which contracted BSE at the London Zoo had no possible access to feeds containing MBM (9). 5. BSE erupted in four cattle that were raised on MAFFs former Liscombe experimental farm on Exmoor a beef suckler farm which was designed to raise beef from an all grass/silage system without any resort to purchased in concentrate feeds (personal communication; M. Stanbury, formerly ADAS, Quantock House, Taunton, UK.) 6. Alterations in the rendering of MBM (cessation of solvent extraction, lower temperatures) from the batch to the continuous flow system had purportedly enabled the survival of scrapie agent in UK MBM, thus initiating the outbreak of BSE (10). However several scrapie endemic countries, such as the USA and Scandinavia, had also adopted these same BSE-causing prerequisites int
Re: [TruthTalk] An open question: What is the state of the dead?
- Original Message - From: "Charles Perry Locke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 9:42 PM Subject: [TruthTalk] An open question Don't get me started on this, I do not have time for it now! Let the dead burry the dead. Marlin > An open question to all TT'rs: > >Do you believe that upon our death we will remain, or will be immediately > conscious, or do you believe that when we die we remain in a state of > unconsciousness until some future time, possibly the resurrection, then we > all become conscious at the same time, or near the same time? I am > interested in hearing all opinions; Christian, LDS, Pagan (if TPW is still > with us), and any others that may be lurking. I would also like to hear the > reason for your belief. References would be helpful, too, if they helped you > form your belief. > > Perry > -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
Re: [TruthTalk] An open question
...or do you believe that when we die we remain in a state of > unconsciousness until some future time...> Perry All right. Sometimes, doesn't it seem that many of the 'living' 'live' in a state of unconsciousness? Consider the 'strong delusion' that is given over to men by God for those who 'love not the truth.' 2TH 2:11 Here we have the 'living' 'dead.' --Marlin -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
Re: [TruthTalk] Is the Bible Complete?--Part 1
Which edition of the Book of Mormon do you believe is the true edition? It is my understanding that there have been several revisions over the years. - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2002 1:50 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Is the Bible Complete?--Part 1 > Blainer) I agree with you, Brother Glenn, that both sides of an issue > should usually be studied. For instance, I read some of the writings of > David Whitmer, one of the three witnesses to the Book of Mormon (re: An > Address to All Believers In Christ), and decided he was an enemy to the > truth, and I even went so far as to say he was a betrayer and a traitor > to Joseph Smith, just as Judas Iscariot was to Jesus. > > But upon reading some of his other writings, I feel I need to modify my > opinion of brother David Whitmer. I see that he was in reality a man of > INTEGRITY and HONESTY. I recently read his deathbed witness that all he > ever said regards this remarkable vision as written in the Book of Mormon > was true. He, along with the other two witnesses, never renigged his > testimony. He wrote and published the same testimony several times in > his life. > > The following is one of the several testimonies he published: > "I have been surrounded by hostile mobs, on one occasion numbering four > or five hundred, demanding I should deny what is published over my name > in the Book Of Mormon; but the testimony I gave to that mob made them > fear and tremble, and I escaped from them." (An interview with David > Whitmer, by James Hart, at Richmond, Missouri, on August 21, 1883.) > > In the same interview, he said, " I heard the voice of the angel, and > saw the engravings on the plates, and the plates just as stated in the > Book of Mormon. And we were commanded to bear record of these things and > that the book was translated by the gift and power of God." > "You see that table by the wall," he remarked. "Well, there was a table > about that size, and the Heavenly Messenger brought the several plates > and laid them on the table before our eyes, and we saw them and bore > testimony of them, and our testimony is true. And if these things are > not true then there is no truth, and if there is no truth, there is no > God, and if there is no God, there is no existence. But I know there is > a God, for I have heard His voice and witnessed the manifestations of His > marvelous power." > > I count his testimony as the most valuable of the three because he was > the only one who never rejoined the LDS Church after being > excommunicated. In fact, I think it was the Lord's will that he remain > outside the church in order to make his testimony all the more > believable. > He was apparently discouraged with Joseph Smith and Sydney Rigdon, and > therefore had every reason to betray them if the whole thing had been a > sham. But he along with Oliver Cowdery and Martin Harris (both rejoined > the LDS Church before they died) maintained throughout their lives, > withouit deviation, that they had seen a vision and had heard the voice > of God bearing witness that the plates were translated through the gift > and power of God. These testimonies, along with those of the eight > witnesses who saw and hefted the plates but did not see the angel, leave > me without doubt the Book of Mormon is the true word of God. Their > testimonies shall stand against all who resist the truth of God as > contained in the Book of Mormon at the last day. > > On Wed, 23 Oct 2002 18:43:44 EDT [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > I understand what you are saying. However, some wisdom must be used > > here. > > It is impossible to find the truth if one is not willing to study > > both sides > > of an issue. I would never have seen the error of the Church of > > Christ > > without reading both pro and con. > > > > > > > Blainer) You have to see this through spiritual eyes. Try > > thinking in > > > terms of food. If you eat a lot of junk-food, loaded with lots of > > empty > > > calories, you will probably end up with poor health. On the other > > hand, > > > if you are more particular about what kind of food you eat,, you > > will > > > likely have good health. Likewise, if you read a lot of negative > > > Junk-literature, loaded with lies and half-truths, you will suffer > > > spiritually. But if you read positive literature and listen to > > the > > > spirit of the Holy Ghost, you will prosper spiritually. > > > Mormonism teaches we can read anything we want. We have no > > restrictions > > > on what we read. It is purely a matter of individual choice. We > > are > > > counseled to use wisdom in our choices, however. > > > We are not the ones who are brainwashed!!! That is a joke, > > because that > > > is exactly how we see you!! Why do you think I stay on TT? > > Because I > > > like being insulted? Nope, I do it hoping somehow to convince > > you of > > > the error of your thin
Re: [TruthTalk] Is the Bible Complete?--Part 1
Doesn't the Book of Mormon contradict the teachings of scripture? - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2002 6:40 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Is the Bible Complete?--Part 1 > Blainer) I am saying the basic message of the BoM has not been changed. > There may have been some changes, but none that change meanings of > fundamental doctrines, such as baptism, the sacrament, what happens to > one upon dying, the nature of God, the gifts of the spirit, etc. > Come on Glenn, is that the best you can do in picky-picking? Why don't > we address the truth that the BoM was sent from God, and is binding on > you and everyone in all generations since it was given? What about that > issue? The testimonies of the twelve witnesses (Joseph Smith included) > establishes that beyond reasonable doubt. > > On Sun, 27 Oct 2002 15:35:01 EST [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > Blainer - Are you saying there have been no changes in the BoM except > > when > > the evolution of the English language made it necessary? > > > > > Blainer) I Believe the current edition is good enough for all > > practical > > > purposes. Most changes have been, as I understand, changes that > > occurred > > > shortly after the first printing, and have to do with punctuation > > and the > > > like. I realize some other changes have been made, but I think > > these > > > have been to adjust for changes in meaning of words over time. > > For > > > instance, the word "white" once had the connotation of pure, and > > so the > > > word "pure" has been substituted for "white" in recent editions to > > give a > > > more accurate rendition of meaning. I find no fault in this as > > some > > > hairsplitters do. > > > > > > On Sun, 27 Oct 2002 14:06:58 -0500 "Marlin Halverson" > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > Which edition of the Book of Mormon do you believe is the true > > > > edition? It > > > > is my understanding that there have been several revisions over > > the > > > > years. > > > > > > > -- > "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org > > If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. > -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
Re: [TruthTalk] Is the Bible Complete?--Part 1
Hello Dave, It did not take me long to find one of many web sites devoted to the topic of contradictions between the Book of Mormon and the Bible. http://www.apologeticspress.org/bibbul/2002/bb-02-38.htm This is not to put you, or anyone down. We are talking about truth here. I, for one, do not find that the Bible cantradicts itself, dispite those who try to show that it does. But I can find contradictions between the Bible and the Book of Mormon. Also, I do not know why this " ** SPAM * " appeared in the subject line of Dave's responce to my question. --Marlin - Original Message - From: "Dave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2002 9:01 PM Subject: Re: ** SPAM * Re: [TruthTalk] Is the Bible Complete?--Part 1 > > > Marlin Halverson wrote: > > > Doesn't the Book of Mormon contradict the teachings of scripture? > > DAVEH: How so? > > -- > ~~~ > Dave Hansen > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.langlitz.com > ~~~ > > > -- > "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org > > If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. > -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
Re: [TruthTalk] Sin & Christian Perfection
Dear Ones, Life is just too precious and short to get involved in attitudes. It is because some have not a love for the truth that they are given over to strong delusion to believe a lie. Let's love the truth. I have encountered numerous ideas concerning the nature of God. Oneness, Duality, Trinity, Family that is growing, etc I offer a link to the most definitive studies on the Nature of God that I have seen: http://www.cbcg.org/natureofgod.htm If it is a blessing to you, then praise God. If not, we'll all find out in the wash anyway. May God Bless you, Marlin - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 12:33 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Sin & Christian Perfection > Blaqiner) Yes > > Do you believe a.) Jesus and his father have corporal bodies? Or b.) do > you believe they are just spirits? Multiple choice--a or b? > -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
Re: [TruthTalk] Sin & Christian Perfection
Dear David, Another topic is the state of the dead, the resurrection, and the hereafter. When I saw my words come back, I realized that it could convey a fear of what comes after death. I admit to some of that. But I have hope in all that I can understand in the Word of God on that topic. As far as life being "too short," death has troubled my immediate family. With all that we can understand about the hereafter, one thing is paramount. God and his angels are involved, noting, and awaiting the outcome of all that goes on here. Reality is bigger than our senses can perceive, but this is the focal point of creation. We read that angels neither marry nor are given in marriage, and that the dead are like them in this. So procreation, as we know it, is not going on in the hereafter. But the creation of the Sons of God is going on --as we may be joint heirs with Christ. Thus we have much privilege that those in the hereafter cannot participate in. Oh how important it is that we train up our children in the way that they should go, and be responsible for their guidance. How important it is to have loving families. How important it is to love the widows and orphans, with crippled families, and brethren who need love and support to draw nearer to the truth and our loving maker. We have work to do here and now. When we go on, our work here is done. I am sure that the next phase that our loving maker has for us is exciting and much better in new and different ways. But this is "where the fish are biting;" this is where God's attention is focused. What are we to do with this precious time, in such weak, corruptible bodies, destined for the dust? May God bless you, and all. Love, Marlin - Original Message - From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 7:38 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Sin & Christian Perfection > Marlin wrote: > > Life is just too precious and short to get > > involved in attitudes. ... Let's love the truth. > > What a beautiful statement. We often fall way short of this on TruthTalk. > Let's give heed to our newcomer here and try to embrace the truth and set > aside our attitudes. Amen? > > Peace be with you. > David Miller. > > -- > "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org > > If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. > -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
Re: [TruthTalk] Courtesy of Lamar, a Net Friend
Dear Brethren, I hope the Lord can open some of your eyes regarding this hatred between Jews and Arabs. Sometimes we cannot see the real players because we are so busy being the pawns and believing everything that is being dished out to us by a controlled media. These Arabs are descendents of Abraham too, and eligible for salvation through Jesus. The recent WTC incident is not all that it appears to be on the surface. YOU HAVE TO DIG FOR TRUTH. I hope you are sufficiently challenged by the questions listed at this web site to dig deeper: http://www.apfn.org/apfn/WTC_questions.htm There are other motives at work in this conflict, not Godly motives. Who benefits? Love, Marlin - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 11:30 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Courtesy of Lamar, a Net Friend > Perfect, Dave. I had to forward that one!! Blainer > > On Sun, 27 Oct 2002 23:06:51 -0800 Dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > WE WOULD RATHER DO BUSINESS WITH 1000 ARAB TERRORISTS THAN WITH A > > SINGLE > > > > JEW > > You may be asking what business would dare post such a sign? > > > > ..Goldberg's Funeral Home -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
Re: [TruthTalk] Courtesy of Lamar, a Net Friend
Dear Izzy, This is not about Jews and Arabs. This is about whom we serve. Bottom Line: "Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them; And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me. Then saith Jesus unto him, {Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.}" Matt. 4:8-10 The devil has been around a lot longer than you or me, and is a master of deceit. Who benefits? How many rights have the masses been willing to give up for "security?" Now, look at one of several tid bits given by our loving creator for those who have ears to hear and eyes to see. With the heightened "security" we are closer than ever before to this: And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number [is] Six hundred threescore [and] six. Rev. 13:16-18 Some people will be glad to have the mark because they will want the benefits. The one who orchestrates such tragedies has pawns at many levels; The pawns all answer to the author of all the hatred, the murderer from the beginning. We need to answer to the Author of all love, the giver of life from the beginning. Love, Marlin - Original Message - From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 5:15 PM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Courtesy of Lamar, a Net Friend > Excuse me, but the questions on that website were a bit overwhelming. > Why don't you cut the trivial pursuit and tell us what's the bottom > line? Are you saying the Arabs have a right to hate the Jews? Are you > saying the Arabs are innocent in the WTC attack? > > Izzy > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:TruthTalk-owner@;mail.innglory.org] On Behalf Of Marlin Halverson > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 12:32 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Courtesy of Lamar, a Net Friend > > Dear Brethren, > > I hope the Lord can open some of your eyes regarding this hatred between > Jews and Arabs. Sometimes we cannot see the real players because we are > so > busy being the pawns and believing everything that is being dished out > to us > by a controlled media. These Arabs are descendents of Abraham too, and > eligible for salvation through Jesus. The recent WTC incident is not > all > that it appears to be on the surface. YOU HAVE TO DIG FOR TRUTH. I > hope > you are sufficiently challenged by the questions listed at this web site > to > dig deeper: > > http://www.apfn.org/apfn/WTC_questions.htm > > There are other motives at work in this conflict, not Godly motives. > Who > benefits? > > Love, > > Marlin > > - Original Message - > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 11:30 PM > Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Courtesy of Lamar, a Net Friend > > > > Perfect, Dave. I had to forward that one!! Blainer > > > > On Sun, 27 Oct 2002 23:06:51 -0800 Dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > > > WE WOULD RATHER DO BUSINESS WITH 1000 ARAB TERRORISTS THAN WITH A > > > SINGLE > > > > > > JEW > > > You may be asking what business would dare post such a sign? > > > > > > ..Goldberg's Funeral Home > > -- > "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may > know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) > http://www.InnGlory.org > > If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a > friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. > > > > -- > "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org > > If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. > -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
Re: [TruthTalk] God/angel/man
Dear Ones, With all bickering aside, the Bible, Genesis to Revelation, is what I rely upon. The Apocrypha adds historical insight. The Lord has not led me to trust claims of additional revelation. Usually, supporters of such writings say that there is no contradiction with the Bible, but I have not found this to be so. I prefer to reference the Bible, which is at least common ground to those who make claims to extra-biblical inspiration. In the Bible, I have been noticing scriptures that do not line up with any particular faith or creed or group's doctrine. I am just trying to understand them. Much of the difficulty has to do with semantics, and language. Other difficulties arise from the infusion of the world's religions and philosophy into this thing called "Christianity." It is hard to rally under the banner of a title, first attributed to the followers of Jesus by outsiders in Antioch, when there are thousands of ideas that are attributed to that title. Here are a few interesting findings: The word for angel means messenger and is used to refer to John the Baptist. Thus it can refer to men in the flesh, as well as supernatural beings that serve God. When the Septuagint is quoted in the new Testament by its writers, the word for the plural Hebrew word God, Elohim, is translated "angels." The word archangel is always used with the definite article "the," and is always singular, referring to Michael. In most references to Michael, whose name means "he who is like God," the same can be applied to the works of the being who became Jesus Christ. He could be referred to as the arch messenger, since He is the Word. The one part that does not seem to fit is where Michael contends for the body of Moses, unless it was a jurisdictional matter rather than a matter of might. DNL 8:16 And I heard a man's voice between [the banks of] Ulai, which called, and said, Gabriel, make this [man] to understand the vision.DNL 9:21 Yea, whiles I [was] speaking in prayer, even the man Gabriel, whom I had seen in the vision at the beginning, being caused to fly swiftly, touched me about the time of the evening oblation.LUK 1:19 And the angel answering said unto him, I am Gabriel, that stand in the presence of God; and am sent to speak unto thee, and to shew thee these glad tidings. "But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one andtwenty days: but, lo, Michael, one of the chief princes, came tohelp me; and I remained there with the kings of Persia" (Daniel10:13). "But I will shew thee that which is noted in the scripture oftruth: and [there is] none that holdeth with me in these things,but Michael your prince" (Daniel 10:21). "And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince whichstandeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be atime of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation[even] to that same time: and at that time thy people shall bedelivered, every one that shall be found written in the book"(Daniel 12:1). In addition to being called the Son of God, Jesus is called the Son of Man, descended from Adam, the son of God. Men are called the sons of God, and sons of men. Although many times when an angel appears he looks like a man, and I have never noticed where one looked like a woman, there are definitely some weird creatures with many wings and many eyes, called Cherubim, a plural word. There are "fellow servants" in the vision of John, in Revelations, whom he tried to bow before. Fallen angels, called demons or devils, were everywhere during the time Jesus walked the earth, yet, except for some "Pentecostal," or Charismatic flavors of Christians, these are not acknowledged nor discerned much today. Aside from these crossover uses of terms, I do believe that there is a domain of spirit beings that is composed of angels. Humans in the after life are compared to them in Mark 12, where it is said that we will neither marry nor be given in marriage, like the angels. I see nowhere in the Bible that anyone is transformed from that domain of beings into the domain of sons of men or sons of God, or vise versa. Comments? Marlin - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 9:42 PM Subject: Re: ** SPAM * Re: [TruthTalk] Is the Bible Complete?--Part 1 In a message dated 10/29/2002 12:12:18 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: DAVEH: Though Jesus was 'God" prior to being exalted, he became exalted after he was resurrected and returned to his Father in Heaven. I am so confused If Jesus was an angel then how could he be God??? Laura
Re: [TruthTalk] Courtesy of Lamar, a Net Friend
Dear Izzy, I assume that this forum is based upon some sense of God ruling the universe, and what he reveals, and what we seek. Human conflict must be viewed through spiritual discernment. Even those who do not have this faculty exercised and strong may use the lists in Gal. 5 as a guide to identify the motives of men. The carnal intellect alone can do that with these lists, but tuning in to the Holy Spirit is a more excellent way. Lies have a purpose. The purpose is to serve the one originating the lies. Duly manipulated, purveyors of the lies either blindly or knowingly perpetuate the lies to the same end. I have seen lies showered over martyrs. But the martyrs, a Greek word that means witnesses, must always hold to the truth. This takes discernment and effort. There is the truth of an attitude and spirit behind such jesting. The attitude is based upon superficial understanding of the evidence. Such understanding is judgment. But we must have righteous judgment, or judge not at all, that we be not judged. Put the evidence on trial. This takes diligence and work. Without diligence and work, truth will not be appreciated. Again, ask who benefits? Who benefits from the conflicts? Who serves that power? With Love, Marlin P.S. "And why didn't you answer my questions?" I am not your lord that I should be telling you what to think. The only answers that matter to you are the ones that you are at liberty to see. What matters is what your Lord reveals to you. The more you see, the more sorrow you will have. The more you see, the more you will be judged. Jesus did not always give a straight answer to explain what He could see. There were reasons for this. - Original Message - From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 8:54 AM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Courtesy of Lamar, a Net Friend > That's funny; your website was all about Jews and Arabs, etc. -- nothing > about "whom we serve". So why the discrepancy? And why didn't you answer > my questions? Izzy > > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:TruthTalk-owner@;mail.innglory.org] On Behalf Of Marlin Halverson > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 7:00 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Courtesy of Lamar, a Net Friend > > Dear Izzy, > > This is not about Jews and Arabs. This is about whom we serve. Bottom > Line: > > > > > -- > "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org > > If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. > -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
Re: [TruthTalk] Courtesy of Lamar, a Net Friend
Dear Dave, I do not know whether the deceitful manipulator has a preference for the race or politics of the "peacemaker" who shall appear as an angel of light. He may even be an equal opportunity employer. He will think to change some things, if you recall. Much has already been accomplished. Love, Marlin - Original Message - From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 9:46 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Courtesy of Lamar, a Net Friend > Marlin wrote: > > With the heightened "security" we are closer than > > ever before to this: > > > > And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, > > free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or > > in their foreheads: And that no man might buy or sell, > > save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or > > the number of his name. Here is wisdom. Let him that > > hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it > > is the number of a man; and his number [is] Six hundred > > threescore [and] six. Rev. 13:16-18 > > > > Some people will be glad to have the mark because > > they will want the benefits. > > > > The one who orchestrates such tragedies has pawns > > at many levels; The pawns all answer to the author > > of all the hatred, the murderer from the beginning. > > We need to answer to the Author of all love, the > > giver of life from the beginning. > > You make an important point that there is a bigger picture to all of what > has happened. This is not just about some Jewish / Arab / American > conflict. Nevertheless, you are not saying what you really think. Your > speech is veiled. > > You mention a man in Rev. 13 quoted above. In your opinion, will this man > be: > > 1. A Jewish "peacemaker" > > 2. A Muslim "peacemaker" > > 3. An American "peacemaker" > > I put peacemaker in quotes because he is actually a destroyer, but he > represents himself as a peacemaker. If I had to guess, I think you would > pick 3, but I personally think it will be 2. Am I reading between your > lines correctly? :-) > > Peace be with you. > David Miller. > > -- > "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org > > If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. > -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
Re: [TruthTalk] Courtesy of Lamar, a Net Friend
Dear Izzy, Jesus spoke of him. John 8:44 It is not popular to believe Jesus. In fact, a lot of people were upset with Him. I only know what my Lord and Savior tells me. EPH 6:12For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high [places]. Love, Marlin - Original Message - From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 5:57 PM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Courtesy of Lamar, a Net Friend > Marlin, > > So who's jesting? I'm a plain spoken gal, if you haven't noticed. When > I'm jesting I think I make that quite clear. > > I am personally suspicious of anyone who accuses others of being liars > and manipulators. My first impulse is to want facts; not innuendos. My > experience is that there are usually three fingers pointing back at the > person doing the pointing. (Someone I know to be extremely honest and > full of integrity has been smeared for years as a "liar and manipulator" > by two people with morality on the level of pond scum.) You can't even > be up front about who you are pointing at. If you wish to be clear about > whom you are accusing of what, we might come to some useful dialogue > here. Walk in the light of factual truth; not in the shadows of > innuendo. > > "Let your Yes be Yes, and your No be No. Anything beyond than that comes > from the evil one." > > Izzy > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:TruthTalk-owner@;mail.innglory.org] On Behalf Of Marlin Halverson > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 1:12 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Courtesy of Lamar, a Net Friend > > Dear Izzy, > > I assume that this forum is based upon some sense of God ruling the > universe, and what he reveals, and what we seek. > > Human conflict must be viewed through spiritual discernment. Even those > who > do not have this faculty exercised and strong may use the lists in Gal. > 5 as > a guide to identify the motives of men. The carnal intellect alone can > do > that with these lists, but tuning in to the Holy Spirit is a more > excellent > way. > > Lies have a purpose. The purpose is to serve the one originating the > lies. > Duly manipulated, purveyors of the lies either blindly or knowingly > perpetuate the lies to the same end. I have seen lies showered over > martyrs. But the martyrs, a Greek word that means witnesses, must > always > hold to the truth. This takes discernment and effort. > > There is the truth of an attitude and spirit behind such jesting. The > attitude is based upon superficial understanding of the evidence. Such > understanding is judgment. But we must have righteous judgment, or > judge > not at all, that we be not judged. Put the evidence on trial. This > takes > diligence and work. Without diligence and work, truth will not be > appreciated. > > Again, ask who benefits? Who benefits from the conflicts? Who serves > that > power? > > With Love, > > Marlin > > P.S. > > "And why didn't you answer my questions?" > > I am not your lord that I should be telling you what to think. The only > answers that matter to you are the ones that you are at liberty to see. > What matters is what your Lord reveals to you. The more you see, the > more > sorrow you will have. The more you see, the more you will be judged. > Jesus > did not always give a straight answer to explain what He could see. > There > were reasons for this. > > - Original Message - > From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 8:54 AM > Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Courtesy of Lamar, a Net Friend > > > > That's funny; your website was all about Jews and Arabs, etc. -- > nothing > > about "whom we serve". So why the discrepancy? And why didn't you > answer > > my questions? Izzy > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:TruthTalk-owner@;mail.innglory.org] On Behalf Of Marlin > Halverson > > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 7:00 PM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Courtesy of Lamar, a Net Friend > > > > Dear Izzy, > > > > This is not about Jews and Arabs. This is about whom we serve. > Bottom > > Line: > > > > > > > > > > -- > > "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with s
Re: [TruthTalk] Courtesy of Lamar, a Net Friend
> "Which things also we speak, NOT IN THE WORDS WHICH MAN'S WISDOM TEACHETH, > but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with > spiritual. But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of > God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because > they are spiritually discerned. But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, > yet he himself is judged of no man." (1Cor. 2:13-15) Thanks Dave, Thanks for seeing. We as humans are blind to so much. What a blessing to call upon our maker for Wisdom, Knowledge, Understanding, and the gift of eternal life. I tell you plainly, if it were not for the Holy Spirit and all of its attributes, I'd rather be dead. I would not want to live in a world based upon lies and hatred and the fruits of the flesh. Love, Marlin -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
Re: [TruthTalk] Hey Marlin!
Dear Izzy, In answer to your questions, I believe this: 1JO 2:18Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time. The verses setting the context for the above reference are sobering. The other references show that there is no singular being called "the antichrist." What is antichrist is characterized as a type of spirit. This spirit becomes manifested by those who go out from among those who are pro-Christ! (1JO 2:19) We find that "the" antichrist is from among us in the form of a type of spirit. This hits home. Other identifiers may be found below: 1JO 2:22Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. 1JO 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that [spirit] of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. 2JO 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist. Love, Marlin - Original Message - From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, November 01, 2002 9:03 AM Subject: [TruthTalk] Hey Marlin! > Hey, Marlin: > > Do you believe the anti-christ is at work on the earth today? (I > wouldn't doubt it!) If so, can you give us a hint who you think it is? > Do you think the mark of the beast will be implanted computer chips, > like we put in our pets? I've been wondering about all of this... > > Izzy > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:TruthTalk-owner@;mail.innglory.org] On Behalf Of Marlin Halverson > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 1:21 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Courtesy of Lamar, a Net Friend > > Dear Dave, > > I do not know whether the deceitful manipulator has a preference for the > race or politics of the "peacemaker" who shall appear as an angel of > light. > He may even be an equal opportunity employer. > > He will think to change some things, if you recall. Much has already > been > accomplished. > > Love, > > Marlin > > > - Original Message - > From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 9:46 AM > Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Courtesy of Lamar, a Net Friend > > > > Marlin wrote: > > > With the heightened "security" we are closer than > > > ever before to this: > > > > > > And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, > > > free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or > > > in their foreheads: And that no man might buy or sell, > > > save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or > > > the number of his name. Here is wisdom. Let him that > > > hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it > > > is the number of a man; and his number [is] Six hundred > > > threescore [and] six. Rev. 13:16-18 > > > > > > Some people will be glad to have the mark because > > > they will want the benefits. > > > > > > The one who orchestrates such tragedies has pawns > > > at many levels; The pawns all answer to the author > > > of all the hatred, the murderer from the beginning. > > > We need to answer to the Author of all love, the > > > giver of life from the beginning. > > > > You make an important point that there is a bigger picture to all of > what > > has happened. This is not just about some Jewish / Arab / American > > conflict. Nevertheless, you are not saying what you really think. > Your > > speech is veiled. > > > > You mention a man in Rev. 13 quoted above. In your opinion, will this > man > > be: > > > > 1. A Jewish "peacemaker" > > > > 2. A Muslim "peacemaker" > > > > 3. An American "peacemaker" > > > > I put peacemaker in quotes because he is actually a destroyer, but he > > represents himself as a peacemaker. If I had to guess, I think you > would > > pick 3, but I personally think it will be 2. Am I reading between > your > > lines correctly? :-) > > > > Peace be with you. > > David Miller. > > > > -- > > "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you > may > know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) > http://www.InnG
Re: [TruthTalk] mark of the beast
"Do you think the mark of the beast will be implanted computer chips, like we put in our pets? I've been wondering about all of this..." Izzy Dear Izzy, That is only one of many aspects of this thing. The devil likes to mark his stuff. Do a web-search on 666. You will see that everything is already in place while we sleep. Love, Marlin http://www.networkusa.org/fingerprint/page6/fp-ssnfaq.htm Another clause within 42 U.S. Code section 666(a) (as most recently amended by the Balanced Budget Act of 1997) requires that states must have in place: "(16) Procedures under which the State has (and uses in appropriate cases) authority to withhold or suspend, or to restrict the use of driver's licenses, professional and occupational licenses, and recreational licenses of individuals owing overdue support or failing... to comply with subpoenas or warrants relating to paternity or child support proceedings." In order to locate individuals and suspend their licenses, states will typically "key" on social security numbers (since Child Support Enforcement agencies use SSNs in the administration of their payment program). Section 666 also requires that states must have provisions in place which allow the state's Child Support Enforcement Agency to attach an individual's financial holdings. This also is accomplished using an individual's social security number. Even private utilities such as, electric, cable television, and phone service providers must make customer records and information available to each state's Child Support Enforcement agency. This information will be accessed using a customer's SSN if they have one on file. Social Security is Global As a consequence of various international treaties, every industrialized nation has instituted a national "social security" program. Under the GATT agreements, every signatory country is required to "register" (number) all child at birth. Presently, over 170 countries currently have a social security system in place. The list includes every major country in the world. In terms of population, the world's 10 largest countries which have a social security system are: 1. China 1,210,000,000 2. India 968,000,000 3. United States 268,000,000 4. Indonesia 210,000,000 5. Brazil 165,000,000 6. Russia 148,000,000 7. Pakistan132,000,000 8. Japan 126,000,000 9. Bangladesh 125,000,000 10. Nigeria 107,000,000 Followed by the next 15 largest countries: Germany, Mexico, Italy, France, Philippines, Turkey, Thailand, Egypt, Spain, South Korea, Poland, Iran, Burma, El Salvador, and Ethiopia, each with a population of between 30 and 80 million people. The complete list of Countries with existing Social Security programs includes: Afghanistan, Albania, Algeria, Andorra, Antigua-Barbuda, Argentina, Armenia, Australia, Austria, Azerbaijan, Bahamas, Bahrain, Bangladesh, Barbados, Belarus, Belgium, Belize, Benin, Bermuda, Bolivia, Botswana, Brazil, British Virgin Islands, Bulgaria, Burkina Faso, Burma (Myanmar), Burundi, Cameroon, Canada, Cape Verde, Central African Republic, Chad, Chile, China, Colombia, Congo (Brazzaville), Congo (Kinshasa), Costa Rica, Cote d'Ivoire, Croatia, Cuba, Cyprus, Czech Republic, Denmark, Dominica, Dominican Republic, Ecuador, Egypt, El Salvador, Equatorial Guinea, Estonia, Ethiopia, Fiji, Finland, France, Gabon, Gambia, Georgia, Germany, Ghana, Greece, Grenada, Guatemala, Guernsey, Guinea, Guyana, Haiti, Honduras, Hong Kong, Hungary, Iceland, India, Indonesia, Iran, Iraq, Ireland, Israel, Italy, Jamaica, Japan, Jersey, Jordan, Kazakhstan, Kenya, Kiribati, Korea-South, Kuwait, Kyrgystan, Latvia, Lebanon, Liberia, Libya, Liechtenstein, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Madagascar, Malawi, Malaysia, Mali, Malta, Marshall Islands, Mauritania, Mauritius, Mexico, Micronesia, Federated States of Moldova, Monaco, Morocco, Nepal, Netherlands, New Zealand, Nicaragua, Niger, Nigeria, Norway, Oman, Pakistan, Palau, Panama, Papua, New Guinea, Paraguay, Peru, Philippines, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Russia, Rwanda, Saint Kitts & Nevis, Saint Lucia, Saint Vincent and the Grenadines, San Marino, Sao Tome and Principe, Saudi Arabia, Senegal, Serbia and Montenegro, Seychelles, Sierra Leone, Singapore, Slovakia, Slovenia, Solomon Islands, Somalia, South Africa, Spain, Sri Lanka, Sudan, Swaziland, Sweden, Switzerland, Syria, Taiwan, Tanzania, Thailand, Togo, Trinidad and Tobago, Tunisia, Turkey, Turkmenistan, Uganda, Ukraine, United Kingdom, United States, Uruguay, Uzbekistan, Vanuatu, Venezuela, Vietnam, Western Samoa, Yemen, Zambia, and Zimbabwe [http://www.ssa.gov/statistics/ssptw97.html] -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not
Re: [TruthTalk] Hey Marlin!
"So, Marlin, do you think that ALL unbelievers are anti-christs? Or just some particular group(s)?" > Izzy Dear Izzy, Neither. Jesus measures them by their fruit: {Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock: And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock. And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand: And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.} And it came to pass, when Jesus had ended these sayings, the people were astonished at his doctrine: MAT 7:20-28 Love, Marlin -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
Re: [TruthTalk] The New Jesus and a Love Called Tolerance
"It wasn't to stop legalism..." Dear G, What would you consider to be "legalism?" Does the term apply to man's made up rules and laws, or is it a term used by religions to mark those who love God's law? Much of what plagues "Christianity" today has been brought upon itself by itself. On the one hand there is the "mystery of iniquity" at work, which means lawlessness, a rejection of God's laws. On the other hand, to fill the void, religious groups make up their own laws which are at variance with the laws of God found in the scriptures. This causes division in the body of Christ. --Marlin - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 8:20 AM Subject: [TruthTalk] The New Jesus and a Love Called Tolerance The New Jesus and a Love Called Tolerance by Paul Proctor Have you heard? There's a new Jesus in town and he brings with him a NEW gospel message. It is a message that teaches a permissive kind of love...a love called "tolerance"...a love that hears no evil, sees no evil and frankly never brings evil up for discussion lest the offenders become the offended. Discussing the evil in our world, that is the sinful nature of man, is a risky venture nowadays, especially for any Christian or church seeking to be loved and accepted BY that world. But then that's not really the great commission, is it...that you and I go out into the world and seek its love and acceptance in the name of Jesus? No, the bible assures us that because of Christ the world will hate us. John 15:19 says: "If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you." We cannot pursue both the love and acceptance of the world and be the "living sacrifice" God calls us to be. That's two entirely different agendas. If we try to carry out both simultaneously the two will eventually conflict forcing us to choose between them. Today's seeker-sensitive church growth movement is, in my estimation, the unfortunate result of such choices. A healthy church simply preaches repentance and faith in Christ and trusts God for the outcome. "And He said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned." (Mark 16:15) You see the great commission involves a good news/bad news kind of message. To preach repentance we have to make perfectly clear what it is God expects man to repent of. We can no longer assume that the lost know they are sinners, especially among today's adolescents who are growing up in an increasingly scripture-free environment. Yet, more often than not, that is exactly what we do. We forget that today's young are coming of age in a much different world than most of us did...a country where biblical instruction like the Ten Commandments and the Sermon on the Mount have been strategically replaced with a multicultural value system. Multiculturalism basically means almost anything and everything is permissible. So, how can one repent of sin if he or she is never taught what sin is? This is the bad news part of the message we are called to proclaim and more often than not what makes being a faithful witness for Christ in this day and time such a challenge. After all, there's really nothing that dangerous or difficult about telling someone "Jesus loves you", especially if you're talking about the NEW Jesus. But, those who endeavor faithfully to present the bad news concerning "the wages of sin", as well as the good news about "The Way the Truth and the Life", will likely be marked and marginalized as narrow-minded extremists who "promote negativity" and intolerance. Unfortunately, these accusations come not just from secular society but from those who embrace the new Jesus and preach the gospel of tolerance. This, I believe is why the church is in such a decline today, because we don't want our relationships, our reputations and our rosters to suffer over an ugly little three letter word called "sin", even for the cause of Christ. Unfortunately, without the bad news the good news has little or no effect. That is the primary reason for the Law and the prophets and men like John the Baptist who preceded our Lord's coming with stern and intolerant warnings like, "Repent ye, for the kingdom of God is at hand!" Those warnings and commandments from God were given to prepare a lost world to receive the Lamb of God and must continue to prepare His way in our sermons, our Sunday schools, our bible studies and our personal witnessing so that the Good News of God's forgiveness in Christ Jesus will be recognized for the Amazing Grace
Re: [TruthTalk] Liberty at Risk
Dear G, Maybe you can handle this: http://www.radioliberty.com/pca.htm It is interesting to note that our leaders who seek to reduce the Earth's population, to kill us, use statistics that match Bible prophecy projections of 10% survival through the tribulation, according to some conclusions. --Marlin - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 5:39 PM Subject: [TruthTalk] Liberty at Risk > In the words of Benjamin Franklin "Those who give up essential liberty to > obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." > > Liberty at Risk -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
Re: [TruthTalk] The elections
Dear G, There is an election for which I praise Jesus: Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall: For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. 2 Peter 1:10-11 --Marlin - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 6:21 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The New Jesus and a Love Called Tolerance Izzy, please give Bible for your "praising Jesus" position. Good question, Marlin. If “legalism” refers to loving God’s laws, then I am guilty!!!Hey, is anyone else here HAPPY about the way the elections turned out? I am PRAISING JESUS!!! May this be the beginning of better things in America!Izzy
Re: [TruthTalk] The elections
There are no connecting dots between the republicrats/democrans, and our true King. --Marln - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2002 8:50 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The elections I still fail to connect the dots between Republicans and 1 Peter 1:10-11. Do Repubs get to heaven quicker than Demos? Dear G,There is an election for which I praise Jesus:Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall: For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. 2 Peter 1:10-11
Re: [TruthTalk] The elections
http://members.aol.com/kenhoeck/NwsClpz/11/0902.html Above is a link to an interesting newsletter called NEWSCLIPS/Truth on the Web. Excerpts below: - Bush Celebrates Ramadan Break-Fast 50 representatives from Muslim nations and 24 American Muslim leaders met with US President Bush on Thursday to celebrate a Ramadan meal which breaks the daily fast. . Homosexual lobby Powerful in DC The Family Research Council published a brief that focused on a certain member of Congress .. 'Santa' Murders Daughter A 65-year-old Warren, Michigan man was arrested Wednesday on murder charges. Frederick Kaercher, who regularly dressed as Santa Claus for the city's annual Thanksgiving parade and appearances at various municpial offices, was charged with stabbing his daughter to death ... Tis the season I guess ... well, provides a good lead-in for links to our Truth On Christmas Series "The X-Mas Files" The X-Mas Files Vol 1 [The Truth On Christmas 1] http://members.aol.com/KHoeck777/NwsClpz/xmasvol1.html The X-Mas Files Vol 2 [The Truth On Christmas 2] http://members.aol.com/KHoeck777/NwsClpz/xmasvol2.html The X-Mas Files Vol 3 [The Truth On Christmas 3] http://members.aol.com/KHoeck777/NwsClpz/xmasvol3.html The X-Mas Files Vol 4 [The Truth On Christmas 4] http://members.aol.com/KHoeck777/NwsClpz/xmasvol4.html The X-Mas Files Vol 5 [The Truth On Christmas 5] http://members.aol.com/KHoeck777/NwsClpz/xmasvol5.html --Marlin